Given all the focus on ease of use this channel has when it comes to 3d printers I'm surprised at the love of flashforge machines given the continuous lack of ease of use features like nozzle ABL. Getting good first layers, and level beds comprise of just about the majority of first user troubles, so its wild this isn't the default baseline. I have a big old style bed slinger modified to hell and back, a CR6 and a X1C now and the level of ease of use, what with the built in profiles, fast speed, first layer checking, etc etc is a world of difference I'm hugely shocked more people aren't talking about it. I feel as if something like the Bambulab X1 solves all of the ease of use issues that are commonly complained about, but people only see it for its voron like speeds. Its enclosed, has an easy to use slicer, prints quickly to avoid taking up time from other users, and the list goes on and on. Its so much better suited to the situations described. The only printer which seems to compete is about 2 years out for 3x the price (though it'll probably be great) in the Prusa XL.
As I was watching this video, I was very aware of the lack of innovation they are bringing with this printer. The print quality is meh, feature lacking, but HEY! You can take the SD card out while its printing! I have an old Flashforge Creator Pro from 6 or 7 years ago that is still chugging along perfectly, they are work horses for sure but I expected something, anything, new from them. I will agree with you, I am 100% buying the Babulab printer because it actually innovates and is something new. I look forward to it replacing my flashforge as my secondary printer for when I just need a small part fast.
White ABL would definitely up their overall score, one thing about flashforge printers is they don't skimp on the leveling springs. SO when you go through the leveling process one time it stays level for... well, my record is probably my Creator Max 2. Over a year and I haven't had to relevel it yet. So over the lifetime of use of the machine, ABL is good, but wifi I use on the daily. But the Bambu Lab X1 is indeed an amazing machine and I'll be doing a video on that soon.
What do you think about the artillery X2 i know it’s a different machine but I bought the Neptune 3 last week I just sent it back to Amazon because it broke within a week, so now I’m looking for another machine I don’t know if I should buy an enclosure or an open machine ??
I look at the X2 and my first thought is "CR10 clone". I've used other Artillery machines in the past, ( /watch?v=0X_ZYPJHooI ) and they're pretty good. High B rank by the numbers.
Thanks for an excellent review of the F3/Artemis and comparison to the Adventurer 3. In terms of print speed, please note the Adventurer 3 provides three turnkey slicing options when using Flashprint 5.4.1: standard, fine, and fast. In contrast, 5.4.1 offers only the standard option for both the F3 and Artemis machine types, typically increasing print time by 30-40% vs. the fast option. I'm guessing that 5.4.1 was hastily released and hoping that all three slicing options for the F3/Artemis will be included with the next software release.
Standard, fine, and fast are all layer height settings, not speed, per-se. Though, the more layers you print, the slower it goes, so it's related to speed.
To illustrate that Slice Profiles in Flashprint 5.4.1 do in fact involve tuning both speed and layer height, please see the following table: Machine Type: Adventurer 3 Slice Layer Base Travel Profile Height Print Print Speed Speed Fine 0.12mm 40 mm/s 70 mm/s Standard 0.18mm 60 mm/s 80 mm/s Fast 0.30mm 80 mm/s 100 mm/s Note that Slice Profiles were differentiated by the terminology low, standard, high, and hyper in the previous version of Flashprint (4.x.x). @@3dpprofessor
Cold pausing is a bit of a rookie error! Maybe that's not by design. I suppose it could be a bug. It was good to see you at OC Maker Faire this weekend, Joe!
It would have to be, right? Because the walls and supports have at least some width. But it is pretty tight to the build volume. more so than a bed slinger, at least.
A thought about the 2 point levelling: Even though my other comment generally is pretty harsh about this printer, I dont actually think 2 points is as bad as its made out to be. If there is a form of abl at all, the software can tell you what needs to be changed knob wise, and then all you need to worry about is whether you can actually level something with 2 points. Believe it or not, my answer to that query is yes you can, because its likely not *really* 2 points, but instead 3, where the third remains stationary, but given that its relative to the other 2, it means that 2 knobs is all you really need to level a bed using 3 points. If that doesnt make sense to you on first read, try taking a hard cover book. Put something with a point on your desk, like a snow globe or similar. Place the book on the snowglobe with the weight balanced such that it falls backwards towards you. Now using 2 fingers, balance the book with 1 finger on each side of the end of the book that is towards you. Notice how you can actually tilt the book any way you want to. You will lose the ability to adjust height, yes, but height is actually the variable that is best and most easily changeable in software, and so this isnt really a loss, because your parts wont be skewed at all from this software change, unlike if it had to compensate for tilt.
I don’t understand why they didn’t make the wireless just dump the print into some storage on board, or to a temp memory instead of streaming the print. Knowing how the reliability of WLAN is at best 98% reliable. I know transferring files via SSD card is a somewhat pain. It’s reliable more so than WLAN.
My issue with flashforge is the flashprint slicer is terrible at creating custom materials profiles. Otherwise the flashforge printers are and slicer are wonderful
Great Video 👍
Thanks 👍
Thanks! Been waiting on this review. 👍
What should i get ???
A 3D printer.
@@3dpprofessor 😂😂😂😂👍🏽
@@3dpprofessor I ordered the FL sun V400
Given all the focus on ease of use this channel has when it comes to 3d printers I'm surprised at the love of flashforge machines given the continuous lack of ease of use features like nozzle ABL.
Getting good first layers, and level beds comprise of just about the majority of first user troubles, so its wild this isn't the default baseline.
I have a big old style bed slinger modified to hell and back, a CR6 and a X1C now and the level of ease of use, what with the built in profiles, fast speed, first layer checking, etc etc is a world of difference I'm hugely shocked more people aren't talking about it.
I feel as if something like the Bambulab X1 solves all of the ease of use issues that are commonly complained about, but people only see it for its voron like speeds. Its enclosed, has an easy to use slicer, prints quickly to avoid taking up time from other users, and the list goes on and on. Its so much better suited to the situations described.
The only printer which seems to compete is about 2 years out for 3x the price (though it'll probably be great) in the Prusa XL.
As I was watching this video, I was very aware of the lack of innovation they are bringing with this printer. The print quality is meh, feature lacking, but HEY! You can take the SD card out while its printing! I have an old Flashforge Creator Pro from 6 or 7 years ago that is still chugging along perfectly, they are work horses for sure but I expected something, anything, new from them. I will agree with you, I am 100% buying the Babulab printer because it actually innovates and is something new. I look forward to it replacing my flashforge as my secondary printer for when I just need a small part fast.
White ABL would definitely up their overall score, one thing about flashforge printers is they don't skimp on the leveling springs. SO when you go through the leveling process one time it stays level for... well, my record is probably my Creator Max 2. Over a year and I haven't had to relevel it yet. So over the lifetime of use of the machine, ABL is good, but wifi I use on the daily.
But the Bambu Lab X1 is indeed an amazing machine and I'll be doing a video on that soon.
Do you have a link about the printer you’re talking about? the adventurer 3
I've made a couple of videos about them. th-cam.com/video/jbKFzEVWHNM/w-d-xo.html
Amazon link: amzn.to/37BW1En
can glass filled filament be used on the Artemis
I do not know. Best to ask Flashforge.
Where do you get glass filament?
What do you think about the artillery X2 i know it’s a different machine but I bought the Neptune 3 last week I just sent it back to Amazon because it broke within a week, so now I’m looking for another machine I don’t know if I should buy an enclosure or an open machine ??
I look at the X2 and my first thought is "CR10 clone". I've used other Artillery machines in the past, ( /watch?v=0X_ZYPJHooI ) and they're pretty good. High B rank by the numbers.
@@3dpprofessor I didn’t buy it instead I bought the creality Ender 3 s1 Pro
3 points defines a datum
Great Review!
Make a discord please
P.S I love your 3d printing vids
I have a discord. Link in the description.
@@3dpprofessor awsomeeee
Thanks for an excellent review of the F3/Artemis and comparison to the Adventurer 3.
In terms of print speed, please note the Adventurer 3 provides three turnkey slicing options when using Flashprint 5.4.1: standard, fine, and fast.
In contrast, 5.4.1 offers only the standard option for both the F3 and Artemis machine types, typically increasing print time by 30-40% vs. the fast option.
I'm guessing that 5.4.1 was hastily released and hoping that all three slicing options for the F3/Artemis will be included with the next software release.
Standard, fine, and fast are all layer height settings, not speed, per-se. Though, the more layers you print, the slower it goes, so it's related to speed.
To illustrate that Slice Profiles in Flashprint 5.4.1 do in fact involve tuning both speed and layer height, please see the following table:
Machine Type: Adventurer 3
Slice Layer Base Travel
Profile Height Print Print
Speed Speed
Fine 0.12mm 40 mm/s 70 mm/s
Standard 0.18mm 60 mm/s 80 mm/s
Fast 0.30mm 80 mm/s 100 mm/s
Note that Slice Profiles were differentiated by the terminology low, standard, high, and hyper in the previous version of Flashprint (4.x.x).
@@3dpprofessor
Sounds like trouble i'll be paying for. No Thanks.
Thanks for sharing your fair opinion.
Cold pausing is a bit of a rookie error! Maybe that's not by design. I suppose it could be a bug.
It was good to see you at OC Maker Faire this weekend, Joe!
Yeah, Jon. It was awesome meeting you as well.
Cool!! What rainbow silk pla are you using??
TT3D silk PLA I bought on Amazon.
LOL... I was WOW at first glance then I, ohhh ok it is a sword handle. 🤣😂
Why does it look bigger than 190mm x 190mm
It would have to be, right? Because the walls and supports have at least some width. But it is pretty tight to the build volume. more so than a bed slinger, at least.
A thought about the 2 point levelling:
Even though my other comment generally is pretty harsh about this printer, I dont actually think 2 points is as bad as its made out to be. If there is a form of abl at all, the software can tell you what needs to be changed knob wise, and then all you need to worry about is whether you can actually level something with 2 points.
Believe it or not, my answer to that query is yes you can, because its likely not *really* 2 points, but instead 3, where the third remains stationary, but given that its relative to the other 2, it means that 2 knobs is all you really need to level a bed using 3 points.
If that doesnt make sense to you on first read, try taking a hard cover book. Put something with a point on your desk, like a snow globe or similar. Place the book on the snowglobe with the weight balanced such that it falls backwards towards you.
Now using 2 fingers, balance the book with 1 finger on each side of the end of the book that is towards you. Notice how you can actually tilt the book any way you want to.
You will lose the ability to adjust height, yes, but height is actually the variable that is best and most easily changeable in software, and so this isnt really a loss, because your parts wont be skewed at all from this software change, unlike if it had to compensate for tilt.
I don’t understand why they didn’t make the wireless just dump the print into some storage on board, or to a temp memory instead of streaming the print. Knowing how the reliability of WLAN is at best 98% reliable. I know transferring files via SSD card is a somewhat pain. It’s reliable more so than WLAN.
That's exactly what it does. Local storage. You stream the file to the local storage and it prints off that.
@@3dpprofessor okay. I thought it was actually streaming as in live printing.
So, what should I get if I want a larger bed then a flashforge 3 but something just as stable
This would be an excellent platform for that. it's bigger and prints great. It just... needs a little wifi help. I'm glad the wifi's there, though.
Just like the rocket that's launching!
When printing those collapsible swords from 3dPrinterWorld, what settings are you using on an Adventurer 3?
Literally default in FlashPrint. Didn't change a thing.
Why do I still feel like this isn't going to make me give up my Adventurer 3? www.3dpprofessor.com/2022/09/06/flashforge-artemis-finder-3-review/
My issue with flashforge is the flashprint slicer is terrible at creating custom materials profiles. Otherwise the flashforge printers are and slicer are wonderful
Annoying that those problems is not ironed out before you get the product. You are a Beta-tester!
Thanks for sharing
Yeah, I am. But, if this is the Beta machine, the final... is probably going to be exactly the same, let's not fool ourselves.