2 reasons why i am extremely hesitant about purchasing the game. 1st) You have practicaly abandoned all your terrinoth games for the last 5 years at least. So will this get some lukewarm expansions like Runebound did and then you move on to the next thing? Who knows? 2nd)The use of the app capabilities have left me wanting in your other games. For example ,in Mansions of Madness we get 3-4 scenarios per expansion and that was pretty much it. You never combined all the tiles and mechanics of each expansion to make new scenarios in the app,thus wasting much of the potential the game had.
Yes, it really feels like wasted potential when you have so many physical things but you don't have scenios where to combine them all, this happened with original Descent 2.0 too, you had a lot of expansions but you didn't have campaigns that required more than one of them, at least you could use the monsters, but all those extra tiles and bosses...
That's just the FFG thing. I played a ton of Star Wars Destiny and the game got nuked at the beginning of the year. I'm tired of getting got. If FFG wants my mopey they have to show they are going to commit themselves to a project or at least have a planned offramp. Who wants to pay $175 for something that's going to get immediately dropped?
I think this is the direction going forward...I have been waiting for something like ...it was only a mount of time...this bring in a lot of people that dont play board games but like strategy video games ....this will be heavily supported.
You have nailed it.. The sculpts look fantastic and realistic, then the tiles look less polished and less realistic, finally the card artwork is ... well ... just not quality and not realistic at all. If this game is targeting a near 200 dollar price tag it should rework the card artwork at the very least. Style and quality do not even come close to matching the sculpts.
Hard pass. I got all 2ed expansions. I love descent. But now you get only 1/3 of campaign? Tons of cardboard!? Every mission will be like lego manual at the begining? How to store all this mess? Art is just not right. Minies are very nice, but this is not only about minies. And what is the point to play board game when more than a half of actions you need to do in app? I can just play videogames at this point.
I was so excited when this game was teased in July, but after seeing this there's almost no chance I buy in. I find the character art and ultra-bland tiles so bad that there's almost no way the gameplay can make up for it. I love the tiles and art in 2ed (and all the art I've seen in all previous Terrinoth games in general), why the change? The card flipping mechanic doesn't sound interesting at all and seems to be just a gimmick with no thematic reason. Also, one thing a dungeon crawler needs, imo, is fun loot to find. One of the main reasons I dislike Journeys in Middle Earth is that you don't really get loot (starting gear upgrades over time instead, only trinkets are found). It's hard to know for sure but it sounds like this game will be like JiME regarding gear and loot which is disappointing coming from 2ed. I have some issues with 2ed Road to Legend, but almost all of those come from bolting on pure co-op to a 1 vs many game. I had hoped this game would be essentially 2ed but designed with app assisted co-op from the ground up. This is absolutely not that and is almost certainly a pass for me.
When are you guys restocking Descent Journeys in the Dark expansions? It's annoying when you sell Mists of Bilehall, but not Chains that Rust. Also need at least two more sets of dice. You guys make it impossible to ask anywhere else. Why don't you have a feedback and request item box on your website?
Im missing only stewards of the secret too. Try Zatu, they have preorder. I adked them throw email about the availability and if it is out of print. They told me they contacted with their supplier and it has been confirmed that it isnt out of print.
Thank you for all your games. My first was the old Runewars, and I still like it. Twilight imperium 4ed is amazing!!! Eldritch horror, Imperial Assault, Descent 2nd, Genesys, Star Wars Roleplay, L5R Rpg, ... I am sure I forgot something. I am not suprised about the price for this new game. Appdriven? OK! ALL is fine. I just cannot buy it because of the artwork on cards, this is just not good imo
3D elements are + but why cardboard? Tiles and art are big - App is + Minis are + Slot systems on the bases is + Price is out of market margin. The Choice to name it Descent is wrong, you should name it something else. Artistically,continuity and transitioning has nothing to do or resembling with Descent and this is what was looking the community that plays descent. Also not reprinting the expansions for DE2 is a huge turn off for those that collecting Descent for sometime now.
My oppinion in one word: Dissapointed! I don't like the art style, the somehow photorealistic dungeon tiles, the 3d elements...minis look good but still, the style doesn't fit. And what is it with the absurd price? $175 for a few minis and a lot of cardboard you can assemble to create "3D terrain pieces"...we all did this in kindergarden. To bad, I was actually excited for the new Descent!
I share a lot of the same feelings. If the price was 100 I probably would order it, but 175 is a bit steep. The art I'm mixed on but my excitement has dwindled. I can quite put my finger on it, but it's frustrating
You may not like the art style. But please at least google "manga", the art here has nothing to do with manga, I don't know where you pulled that from, but that's just misinformation.
That price point is too high as other companies have proven that a lot can be given at a reasonable price. This just screams FFG price gouging like when they purposely do not give enough dice.
I can't help but think they tacked at least an extra 25 bucks on the price at some point over the last month when they saw how overpriced Hasbro was relaunching HeroQuest at.
I am going to have to 100th the statements from many others here. Why, for the love of God, FFG, did you go with this art style for the cardboard? The miniatures look great (at least the 3D renders do), but that bland cartoonish art style for the rest of it is so off putting. Second edition was so spot on with how the art of the cards and the tiles really drew you into the game. I would hope that it's not too late to change this, but by this point. probably is.
What's worse is the stupid "stamina" rule. You have to use a skill to get access to your secknd skill? That seems like innovation for innovations sake. You could also say they are out of good ideas.
What happened to the art of this game? This is a major FF release and they didn't put any effort into the art. The art design is objectively bad. The box art is fine; but EVERYTHING else is hot garbage. They're saying this isn't decent 3rd edition, so, i guess we wait for 3rd edition. After this game crashes and burns, hope that FF gets their act together. Wait for Descent 3rd edition or Imperial Assault 2nd edition.
The art is wonderful. At last it has some personality and doesn't look generic and uninspired fantasy like the previous. In fact I wasn't even considering buying the game until I saw the art.
Wow, came down here to say how uninspiring the artwork and aesthetic is and it's all everyone is talking about. I don't blame them. As one of the designers said early in the video, "there are many studios producing dungeon crawlers", so if you want me to drop $175 on a game then I expect it to be a thing of beauty when I lay it out on the table. I want something I'd feel inspired to post pictures of. I want to feel like I'm playing in an epic fantasy world, not a Saturday morning cartoon. The price tag doesn't suggest you're marketing this to 12 year olds but the artwork does. Did they blow the entire art budget on the sculpts? Those character cards look like Adobe Illustrator clipart. They're the sort of images an artist can rattle off in 20 minutes. I get that the Descent games have always had more of an "animation" style than the realism of LoTR and GoT, but this is something else. Bland, generic and uninspiring doesn't begin to describe it. Even the box art is so abstract that wouldn't give it a second glance on the shelf of a board game store. Compare the abstract box art to the story the 1st and 2nd editions tell of elves, wizards and barbarians fighting dragons. What is this box art supposed to depict? I appreciate that they've built a new app from the ground up after having learned from the old apps. That was probably a big investment. I'd love to see the MoM app migrated to it so we get an undo button, but since MoM looks like it's another in FFGs growing repertoire of abandoned games I doubt that will ever happen. Maybe JiME though. I was excited when this was first announced because I'd decided it was time for me to get in on an epic dungeon crawler campaign game and I love their other App games MoM and JiME, but this has definitely changed my mind about Descent.
I should add that I feel bad for the designers. I'm sure they put a lot of work into their game and it seems good. I'll certainly watch a playthrough to get a feel for it. It's just a shame that people won't be buying it because of artwork choices.
I spend a couple of hours trying to get a specific expansion for descent 2ed. only today. No chance. D2Ed is still a fine running game but you cannot get the expansions you need to complete campaigns offered by the app. Same for Runebound 2Ed. I have two of the big Expansions and 6 Card decks but then 3rdEd came and killed it completely. No chance to get more of the great 2Ed. Are you trying to get pple to go all in at release? Who can afford to buy everything on release? Is that a marketing coup you pull off? Artificially creating a shortage? Trying to avoid any surplus copies which could possibly catch dust in your warehouse? I will not go for this. You will surely abandon it again ...
As a graphic designer of 15+ years I have to agree with the others. There is a disconnect between the cards, tiles, and minis. Inconsistent art style. The minis are fantastic and quite epic. The comic style of the cards are cool but not for this type of game. The tile art is not good at all, it’s like comparing PlayStation 1 graphics to modern day games. Definitely not the level of quality we expect from powerhouse publisher FFG! I think they shouldn’t call this Descent so as not to blemish the product line and later produce a real 3rd Edition that both fans and newcomers will enjoy.
I love FFG. Almost all your games are genius. X-Wing, Netrunner, Imperial Assault, Descent - is something unbelievably complex to balance and great to play. Thank you! I'll be happy if you could bring Netrunner back )
Would be super if you could release this episode with english subtitles, sometimes it's hard to follow exactly what you're saying with those masks on. English is not my native tounge, but im quite fluent in it, it still would help with some subtitles to just understand it a bit better. I have identified several stuff that sounds promising compared to Descent 2nd edition. Like more exploration based compared to race against time. The thing that kills the app Road to legend is that you have to move fast and really fast, unless you want deadly perils to hit your heroes with 32 hearts of dmg collectively (like hey you ran out of time, now die and lose this quest). Also using the old system with not revealing the whole map is better i think even though i kinda liked that part in Descent 2nd edition. Im looking forward to this. Sounds great so far.
Some thoughts about what I've seen in this presentation. 1) Like the idea of 3D terrain, it's pretty cool! 2) Dont know what to think about the app. I liked Road to Legend app for Descent 2ed, 'cause it only showed the monster's algorithm, we throwed dice for heroes and monsters, done all the calculations for ourselves. Throwing dice and writing the result in the app isn't fun for me. Although I think app will give many interesting narrative possibilities. 3) Too bad there are no standalone scenarios. They should be. 4) 175$ for 16 scenarios is too much. Should be more adventures for that price, imho 5) Miniatures are cool 6) Art on tiles looks unattractive on the screens. Dont know how it looks live. The other art looks fine, except Galaden's silly face and those massive horns on Brynn's helmet -I imagine the poor fellow stucks in every doorway. 7) 6 heroes and only one female character? I mean, you do know players like to associate themselves with the characters? So, I have friends, who would like to associate themselves with black female dwarf, half dragon or androgynous human avenger... But how about classic human and elf types? My wife loves to play Ashrian and Alys Raine - no troubles with sexual objectification, 'cause they are what they should be - strong personalities in the first place. Someone wil say, Legends of the Dark are inclusive, but someone will call it discriminative, because everyone got to have the opportunity to represent themselves. Conclusion: pretty dissapointed. Love the Terrinoth setting, love Descent 2ed, but this new game doesnt make me want to spend 175$ on it. At least, for now.
I'm extremely disappointed by the artwork and the dungeon tiles. Both doesn't look appealing to me and for an RPG that's a no go. When I cannot find the connection to my character and the world around the entire experience is broken. Unless they don't work it over I'll give it a pass.
I am not a fan of the cartoon like artwork. I like more of the gritty realistic fantasy art that is in so many great games out there. I am not sure why but it kills the game experience for me. I also dislike a game that requires an app....Why not make a video game if you require a computer/tablet/phone to play. I like app integration for environment and to lay out the map piece by piece so there are no spoilers, but all the other actions needed for a Coop experience can be done with cards, adventure books and the like. I am really torn but I see no reason to move over to this from 2.0. Someone else mentioned in the comments that you seem to be dropping many of the Terrinoth games, which also makes me hesitant. I was really excited when you came out with Heroes of Terrinoth and bought it right away only to find out that there was no more content planned for that game. When I first heard about this game I was so excited having owned the previous two versions, but now, Eh, I think I would play it if one of my friends buy it, but I will stick with 2.0.
Reason why people hate apps ? Go to 01:25:00 . Perfect example. Interaction with app is just too long. It hogs all the play time just fiddling with the thing. So either you suffer down time for one person to manipulate and punch in all the battle stuff, or pass around the medium to do all the battle stuff yourself while others wait. All in all, apps are ok if they enhance, à la MoM. This one seems to just drag the battle system. Don't want to watch a screen 60% of the time I play a board game, especially not pay 175$ to do that. I don't mind all this when playing solo, but never with friends. It kills the fun for everyone. That's only on item why it's a huge pass for me. Without details, the rest is Art, price and overall FFG experience with other games. Remember heroes of Terrinoth ? Warhammer quest ? Outer Rim ? Fallout ? plus 2 other re-iterations that completely obsoleted my collection (X-WIng and TI3) If it wasn't for their awesome LCG's, it would've been bye-bye FFG.
The 2nd ed kinda set Descent’s unique flavor of art that made it recognizable. There was nothing wrong with it and too bad the designers didn’t follow through with the old art style. :(
Also just to add while the multi level thing is neat, the cardboard will break down over time and it will increase set up time dramatically. The tiles you guys used before were awesome and so detailed, same with Imperial Assault. There was no reason to try and improve that. The token system used in MoM and Gloomhaven to add doors and chests and what not is more than fine for this board game. Is there an option to NOT use these "3d" terrain pieces?
Agree that the tile art from D2E was very thematic and vibrant, this is like D&D grid maps. I still think the 3D elements are what will be the bigger draw for map layouts, and I do like the thought of the lava and water areas, but if they flat, paper thin sheets, I don’t know how I feel about it, especially for 175 USD. The gameplay will have to be evolutionary in the series. Still have yet to see gameplay and application integration demos. Maybe we are only getting a look and a dungeon map, hopefully there will be more outdoor, lush green maps.
I am excited either way. I want more Descent. And FFG is a leader in the app driven boardgames. I really hope FFG provide the community with a scenario editor after the final chapter of this story is released.
Game mechanics in 2nd Edition has so many flaws though. I have Manor or ravens, Lair of the wyrm, Shadows of nerekhall and Labyrinth of ruins. So many quests are unbalanced in the shadowrune campaign and this is slightly better in Heirs of blood where several maps have been close. But still, some quests im just huh, how did they design this. Either the overlord or the players don't stand a chance. And my biggest critique is the rule that the overlord (which is me so far in the game) can horde all cards and play them all (at least those with different names) at once in encounter 2 of a map. Im excited for this game. Listening to them and having played the app Road to legend i think the app vill be great when you get used to it in this game. If the game mechanics gets better, it outweighs the poor art by far. Wish though both would be great.
Descent 2nd is my number one game. I've played other dungeon crawls and i keep coming back to this. I also love MoM2nd as well. However I have mixed feelings about this. The price is asinine, and I'm mixed on the art. I dont mind apps in my games as long as they are clean and seamless. But I dont have a overwhelming drive to go preorder today. I might wait and stew on this for awhile
Agreed. I’m no board game industry guru but it seems like descent has a stable enough fan base to keep building on it without reinventing the wheel. Maybe a marketing response to the reprint of hero quest?
Agree. I have other Dungeoncrawlers, Descent 2e still is my number one and you are right Descent has a big community. If this new game was combatable with our Descent 2e it would be great.
Mechanically it sounds interesting. I have to agree the art if offputting at first but it could grow on me. The price is super high so this is something I’ll need to see reviewed, and played, and possibly pick it up on sale. But I’m not convinced this does anything better than other great crawlers. It remains to be seen.
Yeah. I dont really like any of the new heros, or the character art on their cards. Just not my vibe. And with 2nd edition only costing $70 right now, and this is $175... I think 2nd edition sounds like the better buy...
@@silvarknite7 yeah but sadly all of the expansions are out of print, shados of nerekhall a $40 expansion can only be found for $200 or more :/ i think its part of their strategy to stop printing 2ed material, so people have to buy this
@@ezunino1711 That's a shame =( After sleeping on it over night I figure I will skip this game and hope for a proper 3rd edition. Until then Im going to grab 2nd edition core box while it's still avaible.
@@silvarknite7 yep. That’s my thought too. Very unlikely to follow this game... have tried to watch the video four times now and just get disappointed and stop watching it...
Going to go against the grain of TH-cam comments: I like the art style. I say this as someone with pretty much all expansions for Descent 2Ed. People are saying this is "cartoony" - but it's actually not, it's just more stylised like a manga style art, more stylised than serious/gothic/graphic fantasy art styles, but it's not cartoony like a kid's comic. Descent 2Ed art looks more cartoony than this art style - 2Ed looks like Disney in comparison to this.
I hope it will be translated to my local language as some other FF games does, but the price may be a barrier in my country as very few people will willing to buy it for 175$ (+VAT).
Hard pass. I got all 2ed expansions. I love descent. But now you get only 1/3 of campaign. Tons of cardboard!? Every mission will be like lego manual at the begining. How to store all this mess? Art is just not right. Minies are very nice, but this is not only about minies
This sounds great. Descent 2nd edition with the app is me and my friends most played game by a large margin. Looking forward to seeing more actual gameplay. I think this will be great. Good things there are so very many other games for people who doesn't like this concept.
The worst part of Descent 2e was the set up time that took longer than playing most scenarios. This looks even worser with all the different 3d tiles. Also I'm against any game that forces you to use an App. Mobile devices are banned at our table. Well, I'm not too sad, saves me money.
I don't like saying this. But this is an ugly looking game. Even the tiles. So ugly. And using an app is cool. But not when it's mandatory. But because it's not a game for me, that doesn't mean that I don't want it to be successful. Good luck.
i like the idea and applaud the approach. i disagree with all the negative points made by the rest - this looks very interesting. i love the digital integration to help with the fiddly points and let people get on with a game. it sounds like it takes a lot of weight off on 1 or more players having to manage all the rules letting everyone basically just enjoy the game - essentially handling rules disputes and questions etc.... can't wait to play it. to those complaining about the art , i can't believe the art alone brought you here to see the game, surely you're here for more than that (or you could just design your own avatar art if its critical). the components look fantastic and the 3d element is great. there is a lot of other great stuff to focus on here.
It was exciting until I saw the art. For god's sake please change that childish low-detail cartoonish art to something decent. I'm OK with cartoonish art in general, however these particular pieces of art are just terrible.
@@eliassteiner7372 We played a lot of Descent 1st and 2nd edition is quite good if you have 1 person who want so play the Overlord. It has great minis and rolling dice for you attack is thrilling. If the characters survive 2/3 of a szenario they normally get a nice power boost and really demolish everything :-) However, once we started to play Gloomhaven there was simply no reason to go back to Descent. It has much more szenarios (93 instead of 16); more playable characters (17 instead of 6). No dice and cardboard standees for the monster. Other Dungeon Crawler you could check out - Legends of Drizzt (D&D Setting); Andor (where every szenario feels more like a puzzle)
The good: - minis and chip system. No more red and yellow enemies (i never got around to painting my 2E). Mini quality is better, chips allow for variations among monster types. - new mechanics with dice and abilities, flipping ability cards gives more tactical options - promise of a more integrated story, character specific interactions - no more tiny ass cards, legibility looks much better - weapon switching and damage types seems cool - app reworked. I could never get a big enough regular group for an overlord campaign, so like coop focus and that the app was redesigned for the game instead of tacking it on after the fact Neutral (need to see more) - new art style. I’m not as put off as many on this thread but it doesn’t grab me either - 3D terrain. How does it impact gameplay? How sturdy is it, and how hard to set up? - character classes and archetypes combined? Better for character progression or limiting customization? - town phase / crafting and customization Negatives - price. Box is gonna set back $175...then of course the inevitable expansions. - not compatible with my 2E collection Looking forward to the gameplay video to see how it all works together.
It's been stated many times, that this isn't descent 3.0. Yes we love descent 2.0 but this is clearly an attempt at getting more into the app driven board game genre. Nothing wrong with that. Means a fully cooperative experience and solo friendly. It's got it's pros and cons but with this game fully developed with the app in mind, I feel we will see a MoM2nd vibe. It's a learning experience and so I hope FFG took what they learned from Mansions and continue to build on it. I wanna see better replayability and more variation with the monster ai. I loved Descent 2.0 to death but let's leave that amazing experience aside and see where we can go with this. I'm excited, but still reserved too.
Wow. Way to screw your community. People who have been collecting and playing Descent for years now have collections that are unnecessarily rendered totally useless with these changes. That aside, this looks like hell to set up. 2E was always a bit of a pain, but now this just looks like a nightmare. The art feels like a step down from 2E. The map tiles look like something someone made in their spare time. Even as a huge fan of Descent, I'm just not digging this and think I'm gonna pass.
@@quaxo1 They are two different games, so they can both be used whenever anyone wants. I like second edition, I don't think I'll stop playing, because a new game came up
The game pieces look way too large which likely means this is going to be an expensive and simplistic game from the start. From Co-op to Road to Legend in Second edition, it had the makings of random quest play and character driven narratives. It just needed the writing to have it come to full fruition. It is obvious that sort of thing doesn't make big money without selling the bulky attachments, so you guys made this new Descent game. I'll be sticking with Second Edition and looking to either find player made material that adds endless, innovative game play. Maybe looking to design my own and share it with the community. I just need to buy the rest of the expansions I missed and hope you guys return to 2nd edition.
Thank you for the information and demonstrations. I have kind of a different question: (I did look through the comments and couldn't find it's answer or even anyone else asking it) Based on the tendency of many KickStarted games to be going the video game route of replacing challenging games with more kind of Power Fantasy ones, is that what this game will be like? I love Descent and always have, and nothing can make me ever part with my Runebound or Descent 2nd ed. As you say, the games have their own place and niche to fill, but I LIKE the challenge. I can't really ascertain a "difficulty level" from your presentation and whenever I hear "more narratively driven" and "player focused" to me it means Power Fantasy "difficulty" level. Not that that's bad, it's just a game made for a different kind of player. They also tend to be "grindy." Another of my favorite games is Eldritch Horror played with all expansions. I don't mind set up, I love a good challenge and narrative, I just don't want the game to be too easy, or too hard actually. I enjoy the gameplay of Arkham Horror and Mansions of Madness as well but I would swear that it's designer is *mad* at me or something. Sure we saved Dunwich, as long as by "saved" you mean there were at least a couple of squares that weren't engulfed in flame, While Elder Scrolls thinks I'm a lovely if a bit challenged, human being. It's probably one of the most difficult questions for a designer: The puzzle of balance. Also, given the price point is there any way you could go a bit more into the narrative and it's quality? Maybe an animated prologue or something? Or even just audio, since some of my old favorites aren't characters anymore (Valadir, Ronan, Silhouette, Mordrog, etc.) maybe they cold be part of the *story?* Maybe set it like an old school radio drama or something? For people who would be sold on the narrative, I think you would find any effort to sell it would be repaid well. Again, thanks much for your presentation, it sure is beautiful *and* tempting, yet $175 means not upgrading my console and not starting a new Kill Team, in other words it's a significant portion of an entertainment budget that's already taken one heck of a hit and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one in that boat. (Or hastily improvised "floatation" device since, for some of us, it really has been *that* big of a hit and I truly sympathize with those people.) I'm not saying it can't be worth that, I'm just asking for a couple of assurances to make sure that it's a good fit for me and my group as it would likely be our *only* fit for quite a while. :)
I see a lot of people complaining about art and price. I somewhat agree on the art, however what you are paying for is all of the game pieces and the development of the app and all the programming that goes with it. What sets this game apart from 2E is the play style and how you interact with the game. Such as searching trees or enemies stealing treasure chess. I am very excited about this as FFG is making the game more life like and very interactive
The complaints are fully justified. And even I, while loving descent franchise, admit to being disappointed by what I see for now in this 3rd edtion. The price is very high, the art style is not spot on and inspired, the tilesets are a bit ugly, and I also don't like the components of the 3d scenarios very much, also because they seem largely made of cardboard and, consequently, not they have the depth and effect of true 3d as can one have the molded plastic components (which I can also find at cheap prices). I can't judge the gameplay for now but, from what I see, the only aesthetically pleasing things are the box and the miniatures, but that's not enough to justify the $ 175 spend. *
The game looks alright, minus the price and the cartoony artwork, I'll probably still buy it. But my thing is, if it's not 3rd edition, if it's a different game, then why name it Descent? Why didn't they name Runebound or RuneWars Descent? They're all Terrinoth games.
Is the game any fun? The girl on the left gives an illuminating answer 1:13:20. When playing a game, and someone playing says a phase that starts with: "I'm sick and tired", of doing something in a game - to me that's a HUGE red flag. You can feel the tension fill the room when she shares her story. Is this game being created by game ENTHUSIASTS or by game DESIGNERS? There's a huge difference.
Oh, I really wish they’d integrate 2nd parts... I have nearly the entire collection... I was really hoping for an integration.. at lease releasing a pack of character / monster cards to use the figures.... or are they different sizes? ... different bases?
My friends and I really loved descent journeys in the dark second edition so just wanna say thanks for that. Hope that this one builds on the previous sucess. because we loved using the companion app
We had tiles, monsters, heroes, they could just give a big box with more narrative campaign mode and new heroes for our loved Descend 2e. The art on thisone is meh. You could give epic campaign to Descend 2e and you would have the community to instant buy it.
Descent 2E IMO is not a very good game. I do like they moved away from that game. Would like something new. I’m much more of a fan of 1E. That game was truly a dungeon crawler not like 2E racing game. Let’s hope the new edition goes back to its roots and we all enjoy it.
@@timesup5105 you can have your opinion and i can have mine. Me and my wife, we love Descent 2e. If we want to only kill mobs we can play zombicide BP/GH. If i want more eurostyle game i can go with Gloomhaven. But we still like Descent 2e.
I like the 3d space. Price if it has enough to make it worth it. The art is horrible. This world has an art style established. Why would you abandon that art style?
bad choice for art.. If the game is not compatible with 2nd edition it's not interesting... too expensive for a detached game... The first interest of a board game is to play with various solid material... including a soft to manage the game is a bad idea imo... btw not everyone like to play with smartphone and smartphone aren't eternal ;) ...
As many others have said, I can't get behind this game due to a few things, but mainly the art. Not just the character art, but the actual tile art seems to have taken a step back as well. Unless this is just an early edition and things will be more detailed. But you guys definitely missed the mark here. Especially for that price point.
The card draw system used in Journeys for attack etc is sooo tedious. Sounds like this isn't here. Great! So looking forward to this. Keep the app driven game coming.
I bought every single addon for Descent 1 and 2 but I’ll be steering clear of this. The enemy characterisations are just so uninspiring. A “fae”, a “harbinger” and a “zealot” etc. None of them stand out. Where are the monsters? Where is the old school red meat?
I loved everything about this! My wife and I love app integrated games as we connect our iPad to a big screen tv so everyone can see, the music adds its own ambiance but you still get the physicality of being on the table. This looks like it adds soooo much to the physical look of the table presence. My ONLY deterrent, which I hope is addressed, is what we get for the price point. $175 is steep but not unrealistic based off of how much ive put into this hobby. I just want to know about how they plan on future integration with act 2 and act 3. Are all three these big boxes at that price point? Is there going to be additional side campaigns/scenarios that will be available on the app at even their typical $5 price point? Still, I gladly spend $15 for an Exit game for 1-2 hours of fun with my wife. I will gladly spend $40 to go to the movies (prepandemic) for 2 hours of fun with my wife. 50 hours at $175 comes out to $3.50 an hour. If I enjoy this even close to how much I’ve enjoyed Descent 2nd edition, or LOTR:JIME, I’m all about it!
2 reasons why i am extremely hesitant about purchasing the game.
1st) You have practicaly abandoned all your terrinoth games for the last 5 years at least.
So will this get some lukewarm expansions like Runebound did and then you move on to the next thing?
Who knows?
2nd)The use of the app capabilities have left me wanting in your other games.
For example ,in Mansions of Madness we get 3-4 scenarios per expansion and that was pretty much it.
You never combined all the tiles and mechanics of each expansion to make new scenarios in the app,thus wasting much of the potential the game had.
well said
Yes, it really feels like wasted potential when you have so many physical things but you don't have scenios where to combine them all, this happened with original Descent 2.0 too, you had a lot of expansions but you didn't have campaigns that required more than one of them, at least you could use the monsters, but all those extra tiles and bosses...
Totally agree
That's just the FFG thing. I played a ton of Star Wars Destiny and the game got nuked at the beginning of the year. I'm tired of getting got. If FFG wants my mopey they have to show they are going to commit themselves to a project or at least have a planned offramp. Who wants to pay $175 for something that's going to get immediately dropped?
I think this is the direction going forward...I have been waiting for something like ...it was only a mount of time...this bring in a lot of people that dont play board games but like strategy video games ....this will be heavily supported.
If there is an app please add a sandbox facility to allow players to create their own games
The problem with art is it's being not consistent. Art on cards are in comic style where it's realistic on tiles. It doesn't match.
You have nailed it.. The sculpts look fantastic and realistic, then the tiles look less polished and less realistic, finally the card artwork is ... well ... just not quality and not realistic at all. If this game is targeting a near 200 dollar price tag it should rework the card artwork at the very least. Style and quality do not even come close to matching the sculpts.
The card work is a joke
Hard pass. I got all 2ed expansions. I love descent. But now you get only 1/3 of campaign? Tons of cardboard!? Every mission will be like lego manual at the begining? How to store all this mess? Art is just not right. Minies are very nice, but this is not only about minies. And what is the point to play board game when more than a half of actions you need to do in app? I can just play videogames at this point.
I was so excited when this game was teased in July, but after seeing this there's almost no chance I buy in.
I find the character art and ultra-bland tiles so bad that there's almost no way the gameplay can make up for it.
I love the tiles and art in 2ed (and all the art I've seen in all previous Terrinoth games in general), why the change?
The card flipping mechanic doesn't sound interesting at all and seems to be just a gimmick with no thematic reason.
Also, one thing a dungeon crawler needs, imo, is fun loot to find. One of the main reasons I dislike Journeys in Middle Earth is that you don't really get loot (starting gear upgrades over time instead, only trinkets are found). It's hard to know for sure but it sounds like this game will be like JiME regarding gear and loot which is disappointing coming from 2ed.
I have some issues with 2ed Road to Legend, but almost all of those come from bolting on pure co-op to a 1 vs many game. I had hoped this game would be essentially 2ed but designed with app assisted co-op from the ground up. This is absolutely not that and is almost certainly a pass for me.
God. Imagine being so triggered by the art. It blows away anything we played with in the 90s you giant nerdy baby.
It's a computer game and not a boardgame. And any rule changes and patches will need forever to be implemented. No houserules!
When are you guys restocking Descent Journeys in the Dark expansions? It's annoying when you sell Mists of Bilehall, but not Chains that Rust. Also need at least two more sets of dice.
You guys make it impossible to ask anywhere else. Why don't you have a feedback and request item box on your website?
Can we please, PLEASE get some 2E reprints? I'm only missing Stewards of the Secret.
Im missing only stewards of the secret too. Try Zatu, they have preorder. I adked them throw email about the availability and if it is out of print. They told me they contacted with their supplier and it has been confirmed that it isnt out of print.
@@johnpanagos5835 Thanks so much.
@@johnpanagos5835 Dude thanks
Thank you for all your games. My first was the old Runewars, and I still like it.
Twilight imperium 4ed is amazing!!!
Eldritch horror, Imperial Assault, Descent 2nd, Genesys, Star Wars Roleplay, L5R Rpg, ...
I am sure I forgot something.
I am not suprised about the price for this new game. Appdriven? OK!
ALL is fine.
I just cannot buy it because of the artwork on cards, this is just not good imo
3D elements are + but why cardboard?
Tiles and art are big -
App is +
Minis are + Slot systems on the bases is +
Price is out of market margin.
The Choice to name it Descent is wrong, you should name it something else.
Artistically,continuity and transitioning has nothing to do or resembling with Descent and this is what was looking the community that plays descent.
Also not reprinting the expansions for DE2 is a huge turn off for those that collecting Descent for sometime now.
My oppinion in one word: Dissapointed! I don't like the art style, the somehow photorealistic dungeon tiles, the 3d elements...minis look good but still, the style doesn't fit. And what is it with the absurd price? $175 for a few minis and a lot of cardboard you can assemble to create "3D terrain pieces"...we all did this in kindergarden. To bad, I was actually excited for the new Descent!
I share a lot of the same feelings. If the price was 100 I probably would order it, but 175 is a bit steep. The art I'm mixed on but my excitement has dwindled. I can quite put my finger on it, but it's frustrating
You may not like the art style. But please at least google "manga", the art here has nothing to do with manga, I don't know where you pulled that from, but that's just misinformation.
@@mikolajwitkowski8093 yeah my bad, wrong comparisson.
I love the art style...tired of the same recycled Sword and Sorcery style
That price point is too high as other companies have proven that a lot can be given at a reasonable price. This just screams FFG price gouging like when they purposely do not give enough dice.
I can't help but think they tacked at least an extra 25 bucks on the price at some point over the last month when they saw how overpriced Hasbro was relaunching HeroQuest at.
@@ironwolf56 Hasbro is officially relauching heroquest!? Hold my beer
I am going to have to 100th the statements from many others here. Why, for the love of God, FFG, did you go with this art style for the cardboard? The miniatures look great (at least the 3D renders do), but that bland cartoonish art style for the rest of it is so off putting. Second edition was so spot on with how the art of the cards and the tiles really drew you into the game. I would hope that it's not too late to change this, but by this point. probably is.
Yeah, that is lazy and ugly. Plus, you get to put all the 3D ugly together...that's what I want...no
What's worse is the stupid "stamina" rule. You have to use a skill to get access to your secknd skill? That seems like innovation for innovations sake. You could also say they are out of good ideas.
When does the final art go on?
THIS is the final art
@@Smartz710i I think you missed my joke.
What happened to the art of this game? This is a major FF release and they didn't put any effort into the art. The art design is objectively bad. The box art is fine; but EVERYTHING else is hot garbage. They're saying this isn't decent 3rd edition, so, i guess we wait for 3rd edition. After this game crashes and burns, hope that FF gets their act together.
Wait for Descent 3rd edition or Imperial Assault 2nd edition.
The art is wonderful. At last it has some personality and doesn't look generic and uninspired fantasy like the previous. In fact I wasn't even considering buying the game until I saw the art.
I still have soooo many good games to play. No need for a third Descent.
Wow, came down here to say how uninspiring the artwork and aesthetic is and it's all everyone is talking about. I don't blame them. As one of the designers said early in the video, "there are many studios producing dungeon crawlers", so if you want me to drop $175 on a game then I expect it to be a thing of beauty when I lay it out on the table. I want something I'd feel inspired to post pictures of. I want to feel like I'm playing in an epic fantasy world, not a Saturday morning cartoon. The price tag doesn't suggest you're marketing this to 12 year olds but the artwork does.
Did they blow the entire art budget on the sculpts? Those character cards look like Adobe Illustrator clipart. They're the sort of images an artist can rattle off in 20 minutes. I get that the Descent games have always had more of an "animation" style than the realism of LoTR and GoT, but this is something else. Bland, generic and uninspiring doesn't begin to describe it. Even the box art is so abstract that wouldn't give it a second glance on the shelf of a board game store. Compare the abstract box art to the story the 1st and 2nd editions tell of elves, wizards and barbarians fighting dragons. What is this box art supposed to depict?
I appreciate that they've built a new app from the ground up after having learned from the old apps. That was probably a big investment. I'd love to see the MoM app migrated to it so we get an undo button, but since MoM looks like it's another in FFGs growing repertoire of abandoned games I doubt that will ever happen. Maybe JiME though.
I was excited when this was first announced because I'd decided it was time for me to get in on an epic dungeon crawler campaign game and I love their other App games MoM and JiME, but this has definitely changed my mind about Descent.
I should add that I feel bad for the designers. I'm sure they put a lot of work into their game and it seems good. I'll certainly watch a playthrough to get a feel for it. It's just a shame that people won't be buying it because of artwork choices.
I spend a couple of hours trying to get a specific expansion for descent 2ed. only today. No chance. D2Ed is still a fine running game but you cannot get the expansions you need to complete campaigns offered by the app. Same for Runebound 2Ed. I have two of the big Expansions and 6 Card decks but then 3rdEd came and killed it completely. No chance to get more of the great 2Ed.
Are you trying to get pple to go all in at release? Who can afford to buy everything on release? Is that a marketing coup you pull off? Artificially creating a shortage? Trying to avoid any surplus copies which could possibly catch dust in your warehouse? I will not go for this. You will surely abandon it again ...
Please change the art. It’s doesn’t pull you into the game theme. It’s way to childish and flat out silly. We are playing a dungeon crawler here.
As a graphic designer of 15+ years I have to agree with the others. There is a disconnect between the cards, tiles, and minis. Inconsistent art style. The minis are fantastic and quite epic. The comic style of the cards are cool but not for this type of game. The tile art is not good at all, it’s like comparing PlayStation 1 graphics to modern day games. Definitely not the level of quality we expect from powerhouse publisher FFG! I think they shouldn’t call this Descent so as not to blemish the product line and later produce a real 3rd Edition that both fans and newcomers will enjoy.
They got bought out.... they are not technically FFG anymore... new management, new decisions being made....
I love FFG. Almost all your games are genius. X-Wing, Netrunner, Imperial Assault, Descent - is something unbelievably complex to balance and great to play. Thank you! I'll be happy if you could bring Netrunner back )
You like FFG from a few years ago like I do. Not new FFG with no Christian Petersen and no Cory.
Would be super if you could release this episode with english subtitles, sometimes it's hard to follow exactly what you're saying with those masks on. English is not my native tounge, but im quite fluent in it, it still would help with some subtitles to just understand it a bit better.
I have identified several stuff that sounds promising compared to Descent 2nd edition. Like more exploration based compared to race against time. The thing that kills the app Road to legend is that you have to move fast and really fast, unless you want deadly perils to hit your heroes with 32 hearts of dmg collectively (like hey you ran out of time, now die and lose this quest).
Also using the old system with not revealing the whole map is better i think even though i kinda liked that part in Descent 2nd edition. Im looking forward to this. Sounds great so far.
Tiles and Art in general are terrible... What a shame. I'm out
Designers 3rd edition: "don't you guys have phones?!"
The art style sucks.
Some thoughts about what I've seen in this presentation.
1) Like the idea of 3D terrain, it's pretty cool!
2) Dont know what to think about the app. I liked Road to Legend app for Descent 2ed, 'cause it only showed the monster's algorithm, we throwed dice for heroes and monsters, done all the calculations for ourselves. Throwing dice and writing the result in the app isn't fun for me. Although I think app will give many interesting narrative possibilities.
3) Too bad there are no standalone scenarios. They should be.
4) 175$ for 16 scenarios is too much. Should be more adventures for that price, imho
5) Miniatures are cool
6) Art on tiles looks unattractive on the screens. Dont know how it looks live. The other art looks fine, except Galaden's silly face and those massive horns on Brynn's helmet -I imagine the poor fellow stucks in every doorway.
7) 6 heroes and only one female character? I mean, you do know players like to associate themselves with the characters? So, I have friends, who would like to associate themselves with black female dwarf, half dragon or androgynous human avenger... But how about classic human and elf types? My wife loves to play Ashrian and Alys Raine - no troubles with sexual objectification, 'cause they are what they should be - strong personalities in the first place. Someone wil say, Legends of the Dark are inclusive, but someone will call it discriminative, because everyone got to have the opportunity to represent themselves.
Conclusion: pretty dissapointed. Love the Terrinoth setting, love Descent 2ed, but this new game doesnt make me want to spend 175$ on it. At least, for now.
I agree. Frosthaven for me
The Undo feature is a very welcome addition.
Like the ability to Undo this whole product and go back to what Descent fans really want and have been asking for for years?
I'm extremely disappointed by the artwork and the dungeon tiles. Both doesn't look appealing to me and for an RPG that's a no go. When I cannot find the connection to my character and the world around the entire experience is broken. Unless they don't work it over I'll give it a pass.
Agreed the minitures look fantastic but the tiles look cheap and terribly designed
I th8nk it all looks great. Especially the artwork. The tiles I’m meh on.
I am not a fan of the cartoon like artwork. I like more of the gritty realistic fantasy art that is in so many great games out there. I am not sure why but it kills the game experience for me. I also dislike a game that requires an app....Why not make a video game if you require a computer/tablet/phone to play. I like app integration for environment and to lay out the map piece by piece so there are no spoilers, but all the other actions needed for a Coop experience can be done with cards, adventure books and the like. I am really torn but I see no reason to move over to this from 2.0. Someone else mentioned in the comments that you seem to be dropping many of the Terrinoth games, which also makes me hesitant. I was really excited when you came out with Heroes of Terrinoth and bought it right away only to find out that there was no more content planned for that game. When I first heard about this game I was so excited having owned the previous two versions, but now, Eh, I think I would play it if one of my friends buy it, but I will stick with 2.0.
Heroquest gives you MORE for LESS and isn't app mandatory.
The gameplay and the app sounds fantastic but I really dislike the art. It is way too childish for my taste.
Reason why people hate apps ? Go to 01:25:00 . Perfect example. Interaction with app is just too long. It hogs all the play time just fiddling with the thing. So either you suffer down time for one person to manipulate and punch in all the battle stuff, or pass around the medium to do all the battle stuff yourself while others wait. All in all, apps are ok if they enhance, à la MoM. This one seems to just drag the battle system. Don't want to watch a screen 60% of the time I play a board game, especially not pay 175$ to do that. I don't mind all this when playing solo, but never with friends. It kills the fun for everyone. That's only on item why it's a huge pass for me. Without details, the rest is Art, price and overall FFG experience with other games. Remember heroes of Terrinoth ? Warhammer quest ? Outer Rim ? Fallout ? plus 2 other re-iterations that completely obsoleted my collection (X-WIng and TI3) If it wasn't for their awesome LCG's, it would've been bye-bye FFG.
Right... that part sound absolutely horrifying
The 2nd ed kinda set Descent’s unique flavor of art that made it recognizable. There was nothing wrong with it and too bad the designers didn’t follow through with the old art style. :(
And won't listen to the fanbase and re-do everything in the correct artwork
looks very good. 175$ is very very steep though. waiting for some gameplay videos. thanks for the video/interview!
Also just to add while the multi level thing is neat, the cardboard will break down over time and it will increase set up time dramatically. The tiles you guys used before were awesome and so detailed, same with Imperial Assault. There was no reason to try and improve that. The token system used in MoM and Gloomhaven to add doors and chests and what not is more than fine for this board game. Is there an option to NOT use these "3d" terrain pieces?
Tiles art are awful, not even remotely close to 2nd. What a shame, should have just done what you did with Mansions.
Characters look way better. 2nd ed minis look like ASS.
Agree that the tile art from D2E was very thematic and vibrant, this is like D&D grid maps. I still think the 3D elements are what will be the bigger draw for map layouts, and I do like the thought of the lava and water areas, but if they flat, paper thin sheets, I don’t know how I feel about it, especially for 175 USD. The gameplay will have to be evolutionary in the series. Still have yet to see gameplay and application integration demos. Maybe we are only getting a look and a dungeon map, hopefully there will be more outdoor, lush green maps.
I am excited either way. I want more Descent. And FFG is a leader in the app driven boardgames. I really hope FFG provide the community with a scenario editor after the final chapter of this story is released.
Game mechanics in 2nd Edition has so many flaws though. I have Manor or ravens, Lair of the wyrm, Shadows of nerekhall and Labyrinth of ruins. So many quests are unbalanced in the shadowrune campaign and this is slightly better in Heirs of blood where several maps have been close. But still, some quests im just huh, how did they design this. Either the overlord or the players don't stand a chance. And my biggest critique is the rule that the overlord (which is me so far in the game) can horde all cards and play them all (at least those with different names) at once in encounter 2 of a map. Im excited for this game. Listening to them and having played the app Road to legend i think the app vill be great when you get used to it in this game. If the game mechanics gets better, it outweighs the poor art by far. Wish though both would be great.
I hate the cartoony art. Hate it. Hate it. I wanted to like this game, but I don't think I can get over that hurdle.
Descent 2nd is my number one game. I've played other dungeon crawls and i keep coming back to this. I also love MoM2nd as well. However I have mixed feelings about this. The price is asinine, and I'm mixed on the art. I dont mind apps in my games as long as they are clean and seamless. But I dont have a overwhelming drive to go preorder today. I might wait and stew on this for awhile
Agreed. I’m no board game industry guru but it seems like descent has a stable enough fan base to keep building on it without reinventing the wheel. Maybe a marketing response to the reprint of hero quest?
Agree. I have other Dungeoncrawlers, Descent 2e still is my number one and you are right Descent has a big community.
If this new game was combatable with our Descent 2e it would be great.
Mechanically it sounds interesting. I have to agree the art if offputting at first but it could grow on me. The price is super high so this is something I’ll need to see reviewed, and played, and possibly pick it up on sale.
But I’m not convinced this does anything better than other great crawlers. It remains to be seen.
That final art tiles look horrible... 2nd Ed is much better...
Yeah the art sucks
Yeah. I dont really like any of the new heros, or the character art on their cards.
Just not my vibe.
And with 2nd edition only costing $70 right now, and this is $175...
I think 2nd edition sounds like the better buy...
@@silvarknite7 yeah but sadly all of the expansions are out of print, shados of nerekhall a $40 expansion can only be found for $200 or more :/ i think its part of their strategy to stop printing 2ed material, so people have to buy this
@@ezunino1711 That's a shame =(
After sleeping on it over night I figure I will skip this game and hope for a proper 3rd edition. Until then Im going to grab 2nd edition core box while it's still avaible.
@@silvarknite7 yep. That’s my thought too. Very unlikely to follow this game... have tried to watch the video four times now and just get disappointed and stop watching it...
Going to go against the grain of TH-cam comments: I like the art style.
I say this as someone with pretty much all expansions for Descent 2Ed. People are saying this is "cartoony" - but it's actually not, it's just more stylised like a manga style art, more stylised than serious/gothic/graphic fantasy art styles, but it's not cartoony like a kid's comic. Descent 2Ed art looks more cartoony than this art style - 2Ed looks like Disney in comparison to this.
I hope it will be translated to my local language as some other FF games does, but the price may be a barrier in my country as very few people will willing to buy it for 175$ (+VAT).
- What is popular?
- Massive darkness, Oathsworn, ..
- Enough said make a game from those two!
Hard pass. I got all 2ed expansions. I love descent. But now you get only 1/3 of campaign. Tons of cardboard!? Every mission will be like lego manual at the begining. How to store all this mess? Art is just not right. Minies are very nice, but this is not only about minies
This sounds great. Descent 2nd edition with the app is me and my friends most played game by a large margin. Looking forward to seeing more actual gameplay.
I think this will be great. Good things there are so very many other games for people who doesn't like this concept.
The game tiles are horrible.... no details, just 1 texture... really bad
The worst part of Descent 2e was the set up time that took longer than playing most scenarios. This looks even worser with all the different 3d tiles. Also I'm against any game that forces you to use an App. Mobile devices are banned at our table. Well, I'm not too sad, saves me money.
I don't like saying this. But this is an ugly looking game. Even the tiles. So ugly. And using an app is cool. But not when it's mandatory. But because it's not a game for me, that doesn't mean that I don't want it to be successful. Good luck.
i like the idea and applaud the approach. i disagree with all the negative points made by the rest - this looks very interesting. i love the digital integration to help with the fiddly points and let people get on with a game. it sounds like it takes a lot of weight off on 1 or more players having to manage all the rules letting everyone basically just enjoy the game - essentially handling rules disputes and questions etc.... can't wait to play it. to those complaining about the art , i can't believe the art alone brought you here to see the game, surely you're here for more than that (or you could just design your own avatar art if its critical). the components look fantastic and the 3d element is great. there is a lot of other great stuff to focus on here.
It was exciting until I saw the art. For god's sake please change that childish low-detail cartoonish art to something decent. I'm OK with cartoonish art in general, however these particular pieces of art are just terrible.
It is so dissapointing!
@@gabrielmnt4119 yes. I was ready to buy the game. Not anymore.
I like it - helps distinguish it from JITD. I'd like to see a return to the traditional art style for 3e, though.
Is this the final tile artwork? It's awful.
I didn’t hear it, is there an option to pause the campaign if you have to split a scenario in half, like Forgotten Waters does?
Who is the target audience for that art? It’s atrocious.
No thanks... artstyle reminds me of the games lol, or fortnite.
Im staying with the second edition and my 5 expansions. (Still Rip bankaccount)
You need to use the app for every single attack?
There are games out there with better artwork, more content and an even lower price.. big pass for me.
What games do u recommend?
@@eliassteiner7372 We played a lot of Descent 1st and 2nd edition is quite good if you have 1 person who want so play the Overlord.
It has great minis and rolling dice for you attack is thrilling. If the characters survive 2/3 of a szenario they normally get a nice power boost and really demolish everything :-)
However, once we started to play Gloomhaven there was simply no reason to go back to Descent.
It has much more szenarios (93 instead of 16); more playable characters (17 instead of 6).
No dice and cardboard standees for the monster.
Other Dungeon Crawler you could check out - Legends of Drizzt (D&D Setting); Andor (where every szenario feels more like a puzzle)
@@eliassteiner7372 jaws of the lion, with forteller and the book keeping app
Thx for your answer :)
The good:
- minis and chip system. No more red and yellow enemies (i never got around to painting my 2E). Mini quality is better, chips allow for variations among monster types.
- new mechanics with dice and abilities, flipping ability cards gives more tactical options
- promise of a more integrated story, character specific interactions
- no more tiny ass cards, legibility looks much better
- weapon switching and damage types seems cool
- app reworked. I could never get a big enough regular group for an overlord campaign, so like coop focus and that the app was redesigned for the game instead of tacking it on after the fact
Neutral (need to see more)
- new art style. I’m not as put off as many on this thread but it doesn’t grab me either
- 3D terrain. How does it impact gameplay? How sturdy is it, and how hard to set up?
- character classes and archetypes combined? Better for character progression or limiting customization?
- town phase / crafting and customization
Negatives
- price. Box is gonna set back $175...then of course the inevitable expansions.
- not compatible with my 2E collection
Looking forward to the gameplay video to see how it all works together.
Fantasy Flight is the EA of board gaming.
It's been stated many times, that this isn't descent 3.0. Yes we love descent 2.0 but this is clearly an attempt at getting more into the app driven board game genre. Nothing wrong with that. Means a fully cooperative experience and solo friendly.
It's got it's pros and cons but with this game fully developed with the app in mind, I feel we will see a MoM2nd vibe. It's a learning experience and so I hope FFG took what they learned from Mansions and continue to build on it. I wanna see better replayability and more variation with the monster ai.
I loved Descent 2.0 to death but let's leave that amazing experience aside and see where we can go with this. I'm excited, but still reserved too.
Will there be a Descent journeys in the dark 3.0?
This is NO Descent
couldnt they just use color rings?
or color pins on the bases like Black Rose Wars
And use that empty space for health dials so we don't have to put hp tokens all over the board and move them everytime a figure moves
@@Enthris I am pretty sure this is handled within the app
@@christianringlstetter6814 True that, my bad:)
Wow. Way to screw your community. People who have been collecting and playing Descent for years now have collections that are unnecessarily rendered totally useless with these changes. That aside, this looks like hell to set up. 2E was always a bit of a pain, but now this just looks like a nightmare. The art feels like a step down from 2E. The map tiles look like something someone made in their spare time. Even as a huge fan of Descent, I'm just not digging this and think I'm gonna pass.
Why is 2e useless now? If you have the board game, you can play it...
@@aggelosdaglas6248 it's useless with the new game, way to take my statement out of context
@@quaxo1 They are two different games, so they can both be used whenever anyone wants. I like second edition, I don't think I'll stop playing, because a new game came up
They should keep the Descent 2Ed Expansions available instead of doing this far too expansive, overloaded and imho strange looking money burner.
The game pieces look way too large which likely means this is going to be an expensive and simplistic game from the start.
From Co-op to Road to Legend in Second edition, it had the makings of random quest play and character driven narratives. It just needed the writing to have it come to full fruition. It is obvious that sort of thing doesn't make big money without selling the bulky attachments, so you guys made this new Descent game.
I'll be sticking with Second Edition and looking to either find player made material that adds endless, innovative game play. Maybe looking to design my own and share it with the community.
I just need to buy the rest of the expansions I missed and hope you guys return to 2nd edition.
the sculpts are amazing, but the graphics are not appealing
Hard pass for me.
Thanks for not making this a kickstarter game. Can't wait to play this next year.
They never use Kickstarter but if you want better games that are usually better value for money than what this lot put out, head over there.
Thank you for the information and demonstrations. I have kind of a different question: (I did look through the comments and couldn't find it's answer or even anyone else asking it) Based on the tendency of many KickStarted games to be going the video game route of replacing challenging games with more kind of Power Fantasy ones, is that what this game will be like? I love Descent and always have, and nothing can make me ever part with my Runebound or Descent 2nd ed. As you say, the games have their own place and niche to fill, but I LIKE the challenge. I can't really ascertain a "difficulty level" from your presentation and whenever I hear "more narratively driven" and "player focused" to me it means Power Fantasy "difficulty" level. Not that that's bad, it's just a game made for a different kind of player. They also tend to be "grindy." Another of my favorite games is Eldritch Horror played with all expansions. I don't mind set up, I love a good challenge and narrative, I just don't want the game to be too easy, or too hard actually. I enjoy the gameplay of Arkham Horror and Mansions of Madness as well but I would swear that it's designer is *mad* at me or something. Sure we saved Dunwich, as long as by "saved" you mean there were at least a couple of squares that weren't engulfed in flame, While Elder Scrolls thinks I'm a lovely if a bit challenged, human being. It's probably one of the most difficult questions for a designer: The puzzle of balance. Also, given the price point is there any way you could go a bit more into the narrative and it's quality? Maybe an animated prologue or something? Or even just audio, since some of my old favorites aren't characters anymore (Valadir, Ronan, Silhouette, Mordrog, etc.) maybe they cold be part of the *story?* Maybe set it like an old school radio drama or something? For people who would be sold on the narrative, I think you would find any effort to sell it would be repaid well. Again, thanks much for your presentation, it sure is beautiful *and* tempting, yet $175 means not upgrading my console and not starting a new Kill Team, in other words it's a significant portion of an entertainment budget that's already taken one heck of a hit and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one in that boat. (Or hastily improvised "floatation" device since, for some of us, it really has been *that* big of a hit and I truly sympathize with those people.) I'm not saying it can't be worth that, I'm just asking for a couple of assurances to make sure that it's a good fit for me and my group as it would likely be our *only* fit for quite a while. :)
I see a lot of people complaining about art and price. I somewhat agree on the art, however what you are paying for is all of the game pieces and the development of the app and all the programming that goes with it. What sets this game apart from 2E is the play style and how you interact with the game. Such as searching trees or enemies stealing treasure chess. I am very excited about this as FFG is making the game more life like and very interactive
The complaints are fully justified. And even I, while loving descent franchise, admit to being disappointed by what I see for now in this 3rd edtion.
The price is very high, the art style is not spot on and inspired, the tilesets are a bit ugly, and I also don't like the components of the 3d scenarios very much, also because they seem largely made of cardboard and, consequently, not they have the depth and effect of true 3d as can one have the molded plastic components (which I can also find at cheap prices). I can't judge the gameplay for now but, from what I see, the only aesthetically pleasing things are the box and the miniatures, but that's not enough to justify the $ 175 spend.
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An app, a box of cardboard pieces, and some plastic figures don't justify anything close to $175.
The game looks alright, minus the price and the cartoony artwork, I'll probably still buy it. But my thing is, if it's not 3rd edition, if it's a different game, then why name it Descent? Why didn't they name Runebound or RuneWars Descent? They're all Terrinoth games.
Asmodee doesn't have Chains that Rust listed. So they don't know it exists to reprint at all. The latest box expansion for 2nd edition.
Is the game any fun? The girl on the left gives an illuminating answer 1:13:20.
When playing a game, and someone playing says a phase that starts with: "I'm sick and tired", of doing something in a game - to me that's a HUGE red flag. You can feel the tension fill the room when she shares her story.
Is this game being created by game ENTHUSIASTS or by game DESIGNERS? There's a huge difference.
Any chance that the dungeon creator for Descent 2th ed will come back to the official site or build in the road to legend app?
Oh, I really wish they’d integrate 2nd parts... I have nearly the entire collection... I was really hoping for an integration.. at lease releasing a pack of character / monster cards to use the figures.... or are they different sizes? ... different bases?
The art is awfull. What is Your target Group? 5 year Olds?
My friends and I really loved descent journeys in the dark second edition so just wanna say thanks for that. Hope that this one builds on the previous sucess. because we loved using the companion app
This looks absolutely AWESOME! :) I love the fact there's an undo button. And I looooove the art!
Why the hell is there chunks missing from the figures bases ?
Those are slots that will be able to take a separate plastic token to let you know what level the enemy is.
I smell Imperial Assault 2.0...
*comforts wallet*
I would LOVE IA 2.0
as someone who has every single thing for IA, all I can say is hell yes
I HAVE A MIGHTY, ALL CONSUMING NEED
The art is terrible...
the big problem is $175.
My local game store still can't pre-order this game. What's going on?
I expected epic Oathsworn-like Terrinoth art in the new edition. This is terrible.
Is the app going to be available on the windows store or as a web app on the browser?
We had tiles, monsters, heroes, they could just give a big box with more narrative campaign mode and new heroes for our loved Descend 2e.
The art on thisone is meh.
You could give epic campaign to Descend 2e and you would have the community to instant buy it.
Descent 2E IMO is not a very good game. I do like they moved away from that game. Would like something new. I’m much more of a fan of 1E. That game was truly a dungeon crawler not like 2E racing game. Let’s hope the new edition goes back to its roots and we all enjoy it.
@@timesup5105 you can have your opinion and i can have mine. Me and my wife, we love Descent 2e. If we want to only kill mobs we can play zombicide BP/GH. If i want more eurostyle game i can go with Gloomhaven. But we still like Descent 2e.
Awesome!!
Just no. The rat race version that 2nd ed is SUCKS BALLS. No exploration...just hurry up. Go grind Warcraft NERD.
When I first saw them sitting around the table I thought it was a meeting for a chapter of Cobra lol
Hate the art
Yep.
M2
same...
yea(
That is a possible deal breaker for a lot of people
Any gameplay videos coming? I need a nudge to preorder this game and not yet convinced
I like the 3d space. Price if it has enough to make it worth it. The art is horrible. This world has an art style established. Why would you abandon that art style?
bad choice for art..
If the game is not compatible with 2nd edition it's not interesting... too expensive for a detached game...
The first interest of a board game is to play with various solid material... including a soft to manage the game is a bad idea imo... btw not everyone like to play with smartphone and smartphone aren't eternal ;) ...
I found the pre order for this game with free shipping and no tax for waaay cheaper online. Try Boardlandia. like 35 bucks cheaper.
The art looks horrible.. New version seems interesting, but if this is the final art for the game..
Owesome but...why this cost $179 and the Twilight Imperium expansion $100?
175$USD. Lmfao.
haha imagine buying a few over priced expansions for it as well
As many others have said, I can't get behind this game due to a few things, but mainly the art. Not just the character art, but the actual tile art seems to have taken a step back as well. Unless this is just an early edition and things will be more detailed. But you guys definitely missed the mark here. Especially for that price point.
The card draw system used in Journeys for attack etc is sooo tedious. Sounds like this isn't here. Great! So looking forward to this. Keep the app driven game coming.
I bought every single addon for Descent 1 and 2 but I’ll be steering clear of this. The enemy characterisations are just so uninspiring. A “fae”, a “harbinger” and a “zealot” etc. None of them stand out. Where are the monsters? Where is the old school red meat?
think were gonna need rereleases for 2nd edition judging by the comments.. and by the game itself. eesh.
When are we likely to see a game-play video?
I loved everything about this! My wife and I love app integrated games as we connect our iPad to a big screen tv so everyone can see, the music adds its own ambiance but you still get the physicality of being on the table.
This looks like it adds soooo much to the physical look of the table presence.
My ONLY deterrent, which I hope is addressed, is what we get for the price point. $175 is steep but not unrealistic based off of how much ive put into this hobby. I just want to know about how they plan on future integration with act 2 and act 3. Are all three these big boxes at that price point? Is there going to be additional side campaigns/scenarios that will be available on the app at even their typical $5 price point?
Still, I gladly spend $15 for an Exit game for 1-2 hours of fun with my wife. I will gladly spend $40 to go to the movies (prepandemic) for 2 hours of fun with my wife.
50 hours at $175 comes out to $3.50 an hour. If I enjoy this even close to how much I’ve enjoyed Descent 2nd edition, or LOTR:JIME, I’m all about it!
I am super interested. Love mansions of madness. Hoping this is going to play similarly
Nice but when ist the release of imperial assault second edition?
NOOO! I just finished buying everything from 1st edition that's not Disney related.
@@pcuimac Nailed it :D.. but you could give a chance to content created by Dave Filoni. It's great, even if it's been under Disney
Will FFG release a version for Tabletop Simulator (VR)? Might be a nice money earner.....