I did primal therapy in the 70s. Dr Arthur Janov spoke about the body storing trauma in cells and tissues in his ground breaking book The Primal Scream...does anybody remember?
I did an online course in Primal Therapy, a few years ago now. I was fascinated by the mind-body connection Janov wrote about in his books, which I still have. Reading Janov got me into Alice Miller.
@@sheri023 I am on bio identical DHEA to boost energy...other than that, I take nutraceuticals and practice clean living...restful sleep, stress management, and exercise.
Bessel says in his book that people with poorly modulated nervous systems are easily thrown off balance, both mentally and physically. He is describing me here...been like that most of my life when everything was a calamity. I have calmed down, and think it’s because I lack the energy to overreact. I am very pleased with the “Body” book. It has many answers to my questions.
Im chronically ill and disabled. Trapped in a failing body and too much isolation. I was recently diagnosed with Dysautonomia (Autonomic Nervous System Dysfunction). The doctor at John’s Hopkins research is showing it’s inherited due to a gene mutation that causes this “broken” system with a disregulation of the “fight or flight”response. Hyper sensitivity. “Born with a lion in the room”. I also have developed CPTSD from several years of emotional abuse traumas. They are extremely similar disorders. Take care ❤️🩹☮️
If so movement would be the principle that also means everyone that moves around or dances would be releasing memories which is not the case they would be o erwhelmed or flooded when going for a run
When you are hurt, it feels like you are a victim and vulnerable if someone hurts you intentionally and you cannot fight back because they are too powerful. It can make you aggressive and angry and want to hurt someone else. Projection is a vague term, the feeling is a need not to feel helpless and to inflict your anger on a target to make them suffer and feel helpless and to make you powerful. When you are safe and strong enough, you can always cry into your feeling of helplessness and anger and it will go away. And you won't need to "project" anymore. If you strike a dog enough it will become aggressive. We are just hurt animals.
Believe me all I wish is to get rid of the trauma what noone can think, believe or imagine how it can lead your life probably until is finished. You may feel better one day, but just one weeks ago my left side was in a state I couldn't feel it, I could badly hear, listening later a podcast that all this can come from trauma. Thinking back how happy I was before, friendly, etc... and how my mind has shaped through the experience brutality , the theory helps you to understand, but at the end you stay stucked where you are. Thank you, now Iam laughing, my mind is full of this sometimes I think shit, you cannot take it serious why it is still there. It drives you nut.
There's a book in YT by Peter Walker about trauma, he sets out all sorts of exercises for recovery. Some kind person took the audible book and made it available for free ❤
It's not specifically important to me that this is a book on trauma, because the things he says are known instinctively to every living being. Rather, I experience it as a book on how the medical system destroyed the US and by relation, the world, when it had an opportunity and a sacred responsibility to save us.
I have kind of arrived at the same kind of idea but through my own unspoken trauma and stagnation, started realizing that I am surrounded by ppl who viscerally hate me, cant cope alone, fled the area asap. Gave myself a new guide, move house every four or five years. If you dont have the calibration of what to put up with in a social housing estate, low level violence, i dont have any body standing up for me. I lose a lot not having an advocate. Its ungracious to be beaten up, physically and psychically, and have to tell it yourself. No justice. Bullys win, it goes all their way. Bottom line is. ' you know so much, and your so stupid, at the same time ' i am a paradox, but worse I m now a 2D pp. I did not know i was a political football for that collective satanic cult. Prayer was broke long ago. Brain deterioration because of trauma and internet techknow give those bullys advantage.
What was the point being made there about how people say things like: "Youre not a bad person. Its not your fault." Because I have gotten that kind of thing a few times and its just like... "Okay?"...
@@robynhope219 I know but it's just that it doesn't help. Or at least it hasn't worked for me. I do get that that's the way the mind works in that time of abandonment or neglect is that it does say, "This is all my fault.". But knowing that hasn't changed much or helped much.
@@danielbarrera8391 maybe it hasn't sunk in...knowing something and emotionally feeling it is not the same thing. It helps me bc I feel it's true that my parents' abuse had nothing to do with me.
I have a question regarding the broca areal shutting down when stressed massively. Is it correct that broca is responsible for grammar of language? If so, one loses the ability to construct kind of complex sentences and the person is just able to curse in using swearwords. The "cursing circuits" are the same for warning members of the group when predators arrive in ancient times when living apelike in trees and on the veld.Though in trauma one loses the capacity to build a story about what happened. I think one loses the capacity to rationalize doesn't quite hit the nail on its head. When the ancient alerting brain circuits take over the more sophisticated evolutionary newer circuits aren't activated. I'm not sure about the body opening up the ability to get access to what happened in so far, that it will be possible to create a story matching the traumatic experience. What's left is to use fantasy to fill the gaps. What you think about this? I mean there is a lot of implications not only for the healing method/process, but also for the credibility of trauma victims in trials of justice.
I did primal therapy in the 70s. Dr Arthur Janov spoke about the body storing trauma in cells and tissues in his ground breaking book The Primal Scream...does anybody remember?
I did an online course in Primal Therapy, a few years ago now. I was fascinated by the mind-body connection Janov wrote about in his books, which I still have. Reading Janov got me into Alice Miller.
Yep, trauma lodges in the body...it broke my brain😢
O, u better believe it. I have HPA axis dysfunction due to severe childhood abuse. I am old now, but the body never forgets.
Is there medications that help?
@@sheri023 I am on bio identical DHEA to boost energy...other than that, I take nutraceuticals and practice clean living...restful sleep, stress management, and exercise.
@@sheri023 because metabolic dysfunctions accelerate the aging clock, I take metformin, and low dose of DHEA...and many nutraceuticals 🙁
Bessel says in his book that people with poorly modulated nervous systems are easily thrown off balance, both mentally and physically. He is describing me here...been like that most of my life when everything was a calamity. I have calmed down, and think it’s because I lack the energy to overreact. I am very pleased with the “Body” book. It has many answers to my questions.
Im chronically ill and disabled. Trapped in a failing body and too much isolation. I was recently diagnosed with Dysautonomia (Autonomic Nervous System Dysfunction). The doctor at John’s Hopkins research is showing it’s inherited due to a gene mutation that causes this “broken” system with a disregulation of the “fight or flight”response. Hyper sensitivity. “Born with a lion in the room”. I also have developed CPTSD from several years of emotional abuse traumas. They are extremely similar disorders.
Take care ❤️🩹☮️
@@imaginepeace7588 wow, sorry to hear...I have HPA and Mito dysfunction due to lifelong stress..being a senior does not help.
Dancing helps release stored memories; different cultures celebrate it differently
If so movement would be the principle that also means everyone that moves around or dances would be releasing memories which is not the case they would be o erwhelmed or flooded when going for a run
@@johnwerahiko6226 yes, maybe..forest bathing is best for me.
When you are hurt, it feels like you are a victim and vulnerable if someone hurts you intentionally and you cannot fight back because they are too powerful. It can make you aggressive and angry and want to hurt someone else. Projection is a vague term, the feeling is a need not to feel helpless and to inflict your anger on a target to make them suffer and feel helpless and to make you powerful. When you are safe and strong enough, you can always cry into your feeling of helplessness and anger and it will go away. And you won't need to "project" anymore.
If you strike a dog enough it will become aggressive. We are just hurt animals.
Interesting episode
Believe me all I wish is to get rid of the trauma what noone can think, believe or imagine how it can lead your life probably until is finished. You may feel better one day, but just one weeks ago my left side was in a state I couldn't feel it, I could badly hear, listening later a podcast that all this can come from trauma. Thinking back how happy I was before, friendly, etc... and how my mind has shaped through the experience brutality , the theory helps you to understand, but at the end you stay stucked where you are. Thank you, now Iam laughing, my mind is full of this sometimes I think shit, you cannot take it serious why it is still there. It drives you nut.
There's a book in YT by Peter Walker about trauma, he sets out all sorts of exercises for recovery. Some kind person took the audible book and made it available for free ❤
I hear you. Totally relate. Cells have memory. Knew intuitevely.
In my top 5 books of all time. So precious
It's not specifically important to me that this is a book on trauma, because the things he says are known instinctively to every living being.
Rather, I experience it as a book on how the medical system destroyed the US and by relation, the world, when it had an opportunity and a sacred responsibility to save us.
Oh, for sure, trauma has a memory. Arthur Janov said that in Primal Scream...so, nothing new.
I have kind of arrived at the same kind of idea but through my own unspoken trauma and stagnation, started realizing that I am surrounded by ppl who viscerally hate me, cant cope alone, fled the area asap. Gave myself a new guide, move house every four or five years.
If you dont have the calibration of what to put up with in a social housing estate, low level violence, i dont have any body standing up for me. I lose a lot not having an advocate. Its ungracious to be beaten up, physically and psychically, and have to tell it yourself. No justice. Bullys win, it goes all their way. Bottom line is.
' you know so much, and your so stupid, at the same time ' i am a paradox, but worse I m now a 2D pp. I did not know i was a political football for that collective satanic cult. Prayer was broke long ago. Brain deterioration because of trauma and internet techknow give those bullys advantage.
What was the point being made there about how people say things like:
"Youre not a bad person. Its not your fault."
Because I have gotten that kind of thing a few times and its just like... "Okay?"...
Point is some ppl feel deeply guilty about whatever...without having done anything. To say "it's not ur fault" could be helpful.
@@robynhope219
I know but it's just that it doesn't help.
Or at least it hasn't worked for me.
I do get that that's the way the mind works in that time of abandonment or neglect is that it does say, "This is all my fault.".
But knowing that hasn't changed much or helped much.
@@danielbarrera8391 maybe it hasn't sunk in...knowing something and emotionally feeling it is not the same thing. It helps me bc I feel it's true that my parents' abuse had nothing to do with me.
@@robynhope219 and it helps to hear that when you are in the throes of reliving the experience that you aren't to blame.
Can this one monster be van der Kolk patient?
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I have a question regarding the broca areal shutting down when stressed massively. Is it correct that broca is responsible for grammar of language? If so, one loses the ability to construct kind of complex sentences and the person is just able to curse in using swearwords. The "cursing circuits" are the same for warning members of the group when predators arrive in ancient times when living apelike in trees and on the veld.Though in trauma one loses the capacity to build a story about what happened. I think one loses the capacity to rationalize doesn't quite hit the nail on its head. When the ancient alerting brain circuits take over the more sophisticated evolutionary newer circuits aren't activated. I'm not sure about the body opening up the ability to get access to what happened in so far, that it will be possible to create a story matching the traumatic experience. What's left is to use fantasy to fill the gaps. What you think about this? I mean there is a lot of implications not only for the healing method/process, but also for the credibility of trauma victims in trials of justice.
The only solution to me is 'Let you go'. Thank you, Bessel.