This was really, really impressive. You could see the frames flexing upward as buff forces started happening while all 3 sets of engines starting working. The engines here were almost maxed out, but going backward, then grabbed rail, then went backward, then again grabbed rail a few more times, then finally got a "good bite" on the rail and moved forward. Stop and imagine how incredibly strong those pinion gear teeth have to be on those traction motors--each little tooth--to bear all that stress of pulling and pushing all that massive weight uphill. That's what really blows my mind here--yes, the engines sound great, but those traction motors are getting pushed to their limits, and the teeth on the wheels are just slowing grinding it out. I can't believe anyone can make steel that strong, but EMD and GE do, and we see it here. Just amazing.
@@TemplarKnight1177 It all comes down to wheel control. You can only control the power input into a DC motor so the motor will speed up if the traction is broken and thus it acts like a drag car peeling out. An A/C motor can be speed controlled so that you can dynamically adjust RPM along with power to keep the wheels from breaking traction. It's a dance that has a feedback loop to tell the unit when the wheels are slipping. This feedback and dynamic control allows the motors to push the traction all the way up to the maximum limit allowed by the friction between the track and wheels. They are far more common now than back in the day mostly due to high power semiconductors allowing for extremely high power inverters (the units provided the variable frequency A/C to the motors). DC is more robust in terms of overload but the engineer must manually ride the throttle to prevent wheel slip whereas the A/C units can do it automatically.
ElectroMotive Diesel (EMD) should include THIS in their sales campaigns, EMD locomotives doing what they do best ... after that crewman's "We can't do that." THIS is why I love railfanning EMD locomotives, they've never had "GIVE UP" as a throttle setting.
Wow! Love I found this . Love MRL and the maned helper teams . Had a trip all planned to go to Helena and watch The Boys live . Then the stupid pandemic hit . Modeling MRL in Kansas lol. Doing an Epic Covid-19 Build in O-Gauge. Made huge mountains in recent months for my rendition of the grade. Fascinating watching the crews work to start that massive train on grade . What a delicate dance lol . Thanks for the video!
SD70ACe clocks the dynomometer at about 4,500 hp. Others like the SD70MAC at the tail end of the train generate about 4,000 hp. I think that lone GE unit up front puts out about 4,400 hp. I suspect (but don't know for sure) that even the 4,000 hp SD70MAC generates more tractive effort than the GE C44-9W. Yeah, I'm biased toward EMD and have been since I was a kid. I'm 69yo now.
Am I hearing wheel slip or the traction sanders? It kind of sounds like when you were a kid and you'd drag a metal pipe across asphalt... Or maybe I was just a weird kid. 🤣
Starting from a stop on a very steep hill with a very long and heavy train, plus the front engines were not connected at the time as a coupler broke part way between these middle helper engines and the front engines. You could hear all the locomotives wheels slipping even when they were dumping sand onto the tracks for extra traction.
@@stretchlimo7275 because I’m on a 2 percent grade with 32 ton dead weight I got 850,000 hp tractive drive to dah rail and inter axel wheel lock deployment and sand spreader at dah ready. Notch 8 puuuuuuuullllll
@ floodedcar 123. That is "wheel creep" - the wheels are just on the verge of slipping and are at maximum adhesion. The sophisticated wheelslip equipment on modern locos allows this condition for maximum pulling power. The wheels are actually turning just slightly faster than if they were not slipping - hence the squeal. You will hear it on all EMD "Super Series" locos too when starting at full load.
Or...was that a reference to the constant blast of air from near the front of locomotive 4311? Because it annoyed me. Reasonably sure it was from a safety valve on the loco allowing air to escape because the compressor governor is not working properly.
I got creep n peak on. I’m 32 tons on a 2 percent grade. I got 850,000 hp tractive drive to dah rail and full inter axel wheel lock deployment and sand spreader at the ready. Watching for a flash up in engine room. No notch 8 til movement spare the knuckle. Let’s spool up please maximum power pulllllllllllll
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Montana Rail Link has one of the nicest paint schemes
They have always been one of my favorite. Along with both the dark blue and silver and the older red white and blue both of BC Rail.
I agree MRL units look sharp👍🏼😎
And they keep their engines clean. Some of the dirtiest locomotives belong to UP. Hardly ever see a clean one.
I like BNSF best.
@@120alvarez yes, with the executive paint
I have to admit, those Montana Rail Link locomotives has the best sound when they're working and on full throttle.
This was really, really impressive. You could see the frames flexing upward as buff forces started happening while all 3 sets of engines starting working. The engines here were almost maxed out, but going backward, then grabbed rail, then went backward, then again grabbed rail a few more times, then finally got a "good bite" on the rail and moved forward. Stop and imagine how incredibly strong those pinion gear teeth have to be on those traction motors--each little tooth--to bear all that stress of pulling and pushing all that massive weight uphill. That's what really blows my mind here--yes, the engines sound great, but those traction motors are getting pushed to their limits, and the teeth on the wheels are just slowing grinding it out. I can't believe anyone can make steel that strong, but EMD and GE do, and we see it here. Just amazing.
6:30 onwards, a fine demonstration of AC traction and its capabilities. WOW! Love it.
I believe I know the basics about AC and DC but how are they different in gaining traction?
@@TemplarKnight1177 It all comes down to wheel control. You can only control the power input into a DC motor so the motor will speed up if the traction is broken and thus it acts like a drag car peeling out. An A/C motor can be speed controlled so that you can dynamically adjust RPM along with power to keep the wheels from breaking traction. It's a dance that has a feedback loop to tell the unit when the wheels are slipping. This feedback and dynamic control allows the motors to push the traction all the way up to the maximum limit allowed by the friction between the track and wheels. They are far more common now than back in the day mostly due to high power semiconductors allowing for extremely high power inverters (the units provided the variable frequency A/C to the motors). DC is more robust in terms of overload but the engineer must manually ride the throttle to prevent wheel slip whereas the A/C units can do it automatically.
Those EMD’s are major league impressive
Although it was a bit of a challenge for them, they did indeed pass the test and got the train going again! Great video!
"We ain't going to be able to do that..." EMD ..."hold my beer."
He actually says "Oh come on, we're not gonna be able to do that..." I recognized that, and I am Mexican. Isn't that ironic?
Fantastic. Exactly what Mullan Pass is all about. Very well captured too
ElectroMotive Diesel (EMD) should include THIS in their sales campaigns, EMD locomotives doing what they do best ... after that crewman's "We can't do that."
THIS is why I love railfanning EMD locomotives, they've never had "GIVE UP" as a throttle setting.
Emd doesn’t exist or make locomotives anymore and their predecessors progress rail have done an awful job.
@@yankeesforlife24 you can thank cat for that, they seem to drag down the quality of everything they touch these days
That SD70MAC on the rear was doing all the work
Love those SD70MACs Burlington Northern was EMDs Largest Customer
Wow! Love I found this . Love MRL and the maned helper teams . Had a trip all planned to go to Helena and watch The Boys live . Then the stupid pandemic hit . Modeling MRL in Kansas lol. Doing an Epic Covid-19 Build in O-Gauge. Made huge mountains in recent months for my rendition of the grade. Fascinating watching the crews work to start that massive train on grade . What a delicate dance lol . Thanks for the video!
That power sounds sweet .Broken knuckle could eat some clock! Sounds like he/they're pumping up the train
Hello Mtrrnick:
7:45
Looks like he's rocking it, to get her moving!!!
A reason i love EMDs... GE locos could not have started that train from that point...
"Oh come on, we're not gonna be able to do that."
BNSF engineer: Watch me!
All MRL crews there. The BNSF led trains are haulage trains. BNSF provides the trains, MRL the crews.
THIS is why I love railfanning EMD locomotives, they don't have "GIVE UP" as a throttle setting.
I got 2 Athearn Genesis in HO scale both in BNSF 9303 and 9366
Beautiful video of that heavy coal train and his powerful EMD helpers!!!
👍👏👍📹👍👏👍
Definitely a good catch thanks for sharing!
SD70MAC's earning their keep!
Those engines are HOWLING
Awesome catch...great video!!!
7:30 half throttle an not even moving damn thats a lot of weight
Does MRL go out of Montana?
Just awesome.
Great video. EMD's at their best.
Wow, nice video, right place, right time !
Very impressive👍👍👍👍
*Sweeet - **1:37** , **3:25* That was Butt-puckering! LOL
Nice catch
I remember that.
One locomotive is 3.200 HPS but torque is huge 12,600 Nm !
SD70ACe clocks the dynomometer at about 4,500 hp. Others like the SD70MAC at the tail end of the train generate about 4,000 hp. I think that lone GE unit up front puts out about 4,400 hp. I suspect (but don't know for sure) that even the 4,000 hp SD70MAC generates more tractive effort than the GE C44-9W.
Yeah, I'm biased toward EMD and have been since I was a kid. I'm 69yo now.
Ain't fun putting a train back together on a steep grade on a loaded coal train... or when your DP shuts down and you stall on Crawford Hill either.
At what percent incline is this grade?
2.2%.
K5lla 1st gen is beautiful sound as music
Am I hearing wheel slip or the traction sanders? It kind of sounds like when you were a kid and you'd drag a metal pipe across asphalt... Or maybe I was just a weird kid. 🤣
You are hearing Wheel Creep where the wheels are at maximum traction just before slipping.
Why is it struggling like that?
Starting from a stop on a very steep hill with a very long and heavy train, plus the front engines were not connected at the time as a coupler broke part way between these middle helper engines and the front engines. You could hear all the locomotives wheels slipping even when they were dumping sand onto the tracks for extra traction.
He’s struggling because they are trying to restart a 23,000 ton or more coal drag on a grade, this was a highly impressive video👍🏼😎
@@stretchlimo7275 because I’m on a 2 percent grade with 32 ton dead weight I got 850,000 hp tractive drive to dah rail and inter axel wheel lock deployment and sand spreader at dah ready. Notch 8 puuuuuuuullllll
MAX & RUBY 🎹
Cant start on a curve
That sure was one of the hardest stops I've ever seen at 1:27
these have creep control, throw it in 8 and creep
NEVER GiVE UP 🎹
EMD locomotives have never had "GIVE UP" as a throttle setting.
What in the world is making that god awful noise?
@ floodedcar 123. That is "wheel creep" - the wheels are just on the verge of slipping and are at maximum adhesion. The sophisticated wheelslip equipment on modern locos allows this condition for maximum pulling power. The wheels are actually turning just slightly faster than if they were not slipping - hence the squeal. You will hear it on all EMD "Super Series" locos too when starting at full load.
Or...was that a reference to the constant blast of air from near the front of locomotive 4311? Because it annoyed me. Reasonably sure it was from a safety valve on the loco allowing air to escape because the compressor governor is not working properly.
I thought it was because they were slightly slipping on addition to using the sand?
The wind.
I got creep n peak on. I’m 32 tons on a 2 percent grade. I got 850,000 hp tractive drive to dah rail and full inter axel wheel lock deployment and sand spreader at the ready. Watching for a flash up in engine room. No notch 8 til movement spare the knuckle. Let’s spool up please maximum power pulllllllllllll
32k hp should look like an amtrak