Heysel was the fault of the fans but it wasn't a surprise hooliganism occurred. Precautions should have been taken. Safe ground, good policing and proper segregation.
this aggression towards a sector with simple spectators with theft of flags is comparable only to a delinquent who attacks an elderly person from behind to steal his wallet ..... it would be necessary to coin a word just for a similar act of cowardice, these individuals they are vomiting
My sister was living inn Brussels at the time. There was trouble as soon as the Italians arrived in the city. They had been fighting all day in the city center. and the stadium was falling apart it was easy to climb over the walls rather than pay in.
Given the hooliganism that was plaguing and embarrassing English football at the time, although many have criticised the banning of English clubs from European tournaments as overly harsh, something needed to be done to make the ones attending the matches better behaved. They probably thought, if this doesn't encourage them to clean up their act as a nation, nothing will. Football is a sport, it always has been, so to encourage those who actually wanted to watch the games rather than turn up for fights in the grounds, notable hooligans were banned over time from matches. Having said that, the condition of the stadium at Heysel left much to be desired. It looked unfit for hosting an amateur football match, let alone the biggest match in Europe
the ultras juventus were on the opposite side of the stadium, not in sector Z. The British have always declared, and continue to declare, that they were provoked by the Italian-Franco-Belgian offenders in sector Z, by the ferocious families, bloodthirsty women who brandished handbags, hooligan children who threw cans of coca cola, elderly grandparents armed with catheters, and that the poor liverpool fans all abstemius, only defended themselves .... THE BANALITY OF EVIL
@@tmltmsweetlittlelies5838 although Liverpool were blamed for the violence at Heysel, it should be pointed out that violence was becoming increasingly common in English league matches in the 1980's. Something had to be done to snap those lunatics out of it, can you imagine actually relishing violence at a game? So much for football being "the beautiful game," on the domestic and international side of things, it just brought shame on English clubs
The families of the 39 have received justice rightly so, the Hillsborough families have never received justice because of the establishment cover-up . Jft 97.
Several top officials, Captain Johan Mathieu from the Belgium police force, 14 fans convicted of involuntary manslaughter recieving prison sentences, so justice has been done rightly so, were by Hillsborough families have never received justice because of the establishment cover-up. Jft 97.
It's never Liverpools fault. It was the stadium, should never have been played their. Police weren't searching fans right. It was badly organised....goes on...
The irony of Hansen talking about missiles being thrown. It was Liverpool fans throwing golf balls with 6 inch nails driven through at Man United fans at Goodison Park in a FA Cup Semi final. Always hard done to. Always ignore their own actions.
@@steve-kl9iv does United ( according to you) being the first in the things you mention absolve Liverpool fans????? Once again ignoring your own poor behaviour and switching on someone else. What are your views on " we knocked Everton out of the European Cup without kicking a ball "? Jokes that continued to be told in Liverpool until Hillsborough? I suppose you're going to say Arsenal fans told sick jokes first. That joke in particular shows how much your club cared about Heysel.
@@steve-kl9iv wow. 39 people lost their lives and you talk about others. Do you remember " we knocked Everton out of the European Cup without kicking a ball " jokes? They were told until Hillsborough. Then all of a sudden Liverpool for some reason believe that gave them the moral high ground. Hillsborough jokes would rightly be called out as sick, Heysel jokes were funny. And you wonder why Liverpool fans are accused of hypocrisy.
@@steve-kl9iv don't worry Steve. I've literally brought this up regarding Heysel jokes many times. You're keeping up my 100% record of not receiving 1 reply. Funny that eh.
@@steve-kl9iv never heard it? NEC Evertons sponsor No European Competition. As for better things to do, you were quick enough to reply to the other posts. When you have no response just claim ignorance. I find it very hard to believe you never heard it. Horrible club horrible players and scum supporters.
Alan Hansen is Scottish. But I’m not going to get into an argument about the rights or wrongs of my countrymen. May the 39 innocent victims of Heysel rest in peace.
@@drfibonacci7570 but they didn't know that at the time. Most fans there didn't know there'd been any deaths until after the game . So your excuse for rioting juve fans is rubbish. Oh and 40 juve fans didn't die. If you're going to do fake outrage at least get the basics right
Стадиона си беше добре за онова време и не е виновен за това че някои (хора) не бяха отишли да гледат финала а да се бият и правят безредици! Които и да беше стадиона същото щеше да стане при тези анти футболни пияни и дрогирани лумпени !!! Поклон!
The game that was English football's darkest moment and when football's reputation sank into the sewer. The following season football attendances fell to their lowest ever, violence continued to flare up and most people considered it a yobs game with no future. Sadly it took another disiaster four years later for things to really change and football to start to recover to what became the beautiful game from the mid nineties onwards.
this was bound to happen...years of english hooliganism reached boiling point right here...belgian security and authorities were a joke...how the hell could they not be prepared for this...iam looking at 3 or 4 police officers trying to hold back a torrent of raging fans behind a wire fence...give me a break honestly
And yet the very same year, Everton fans had no issues during their European Cup Winners Cup campaign and victory. So, I dont think it was either because of ' English clubs' , or ' Scousers'.
No comparison. Safer ground, better policing, Austrians had no hooligans. That's like asking why Millwall v Everton saw some of the worst trouble for years when there was no trouble at any other cup tie that day 😂
they never forgive my team nottingham forest for beating them in the league cup final and knocking them out of europe but when i went to the replay after hillsborough to show our respects all they was chanting was we hate nottingham forest and they can be a nasty bunch of fans.
That's not true... You get idiots at all football clubs... Your fans didn't know what was going on when it was happening. .. Im a Liverpool fan.. And I don't hate Nottingham Forest.. Not at all... It was a tragic accident that should've never happened
Liverpool fans certainly bared a lot of the responsibility for the Heysel disaster although objectively speaking, they weren't 100% at fault. Heysel stadium was blatantly unfit for purpose and the decision to put both Liverpool and Juventus fans in the same section was asking for trouble given how prominent hooliganism was at the time That's not absolving those Liverpool fans of anyway wrongdoing, but it's important to acknowledge that UEFA were far from blameless either and solely pointing the finger at Liverpool fans is letting UEFA off the hook for their horrific mismanagement
@@fivestarman5130lso both Liverpool and Juventues PLEADED to UEFA to changed the venue to either the camp nou or bernabu. That alone shows you the ignorance. I watched a podcast with Craig Johnston that when they inspected the pitch, a group of Liverpool fans showed them rubble from the ground saying that there was going to be trouble. Another runour I heard that it didn't even pass its health and safety checks. Heysel hadn't hosted a final in over a decade. Don't know what UEFA were thinking
The people on here who don't have a clue giving the Liverpool fans all the blame ,this was a tragedy no fan should die and never come home but after all these years the hate towards the lfc fans without knowing the facts is unbelievable , well maybe it's easier to blame the Liverpool fans instead of the authorities is easy don't look into why the stadium was crumbling or the fact that the Italian fans where in the neutral end next to the Liverpool fans , or why the police never stopped them ,just go with the flow and blame the Liverpool fans or don't say nothing about a gun being fired by the Italian fans , who brings a gun to a football match ,all the authorities got away with being blamed big time , because it's easier to blame all this on the Liverpool fans , R.I.P to all the Italians , No fan should not go home after going to a football game
yup they are filtered to think like that and then they go on doing things as if they some next angel club english teams got banned caused of you bastards should have been you its atrocious and appalling that you deflect all blame to authorities partly their fault but then end of the day comes down to self control of your fans which resulted in 25 italians dead and 97 of your own YOUR OWN and liverpool fans say (authorities should have done this should have done that) cos its easier than admitting your own foolish actions init god have mercy on those people that had to suffer in the hands of your foolish fans hope you never lift the prem again
No you dont have a clue. Offended by everything ashamed of nothing. There was another european final a week eralier , no truouble there. Imagine winning leagues and not being able to play in europe. Put a few clubs back decades. Lets not forget them bricking the city bus couple of years ago as well.
@@notoriouslynch607 if someone was throwing stones, rocks and other objects at you would you stand there and do nothing? Yes you probably would because you're a pushover. Ultimately they wouldn't be dead if they didn't throw shit at them.
Other people suffer when irresponsible people please themselves. The fences at Hillsborough were errected to stop bad behaviour, but sadly ended up being responsible for many deaths and injuries when an inexperienced crowd controller couldn't handle an overcrowding situation. At the time I remember thinking at first "Oh no, not more trouble causing hooligans!" before I realised it was inadequate stewarding as a result of lack of good leadership.
Thank for uploading this man, is nice to see a legend - Alan Hansen talking about this incident and telling the other side of the story which the media failed to do. When you read the story from the media all the blame was placed on Liverpool fans, the instigator Juventus' fans were never pointed fingers at but seen as victims, yes some of them were because they may not be part of the breaks throwing fans. I am deeply sorry for the loss of lives but we should always tell the truth.
is there any evidence of this provocation by the Italian fans throwing rocks and bottles at the Liverpool fans? Are there any videos? Any pictures? Any reports made by the authority or journalists (of course not the statements made by Liverpool hooligans like that Terry Wilson who contended that Italian grownup men were beating an imaginary 12-year Liverpool boy)? If there is any of that please post links, otherwise shut the fuck up and take full responsibility for your actions (and here I'm not blaming all the English people, nor all the Liverpool fans, but just those 200/300 idiotic hooligans who charged the Italians, causing them to panic and trample one another to death).
@@davideleone9809 any evidence, did you watch the clip? alan hanson doesnt seem the type to lie about something like that. Also numerous fans in statements reported rocks landing into their section. how are you expecting there to be pictures of rocks flying through the air, or video evidence? anyone with a video recorder would of been pitch side and unaware of what was occurring, this was 1985 not 2019, there were no mobile fucking phones! were you there? if not, how do you know the boy was imaginary? fuck off asking for links of rocks flying through the air.. As an aside, the previous year, juventus beat man utd in turin which led to united fans going on the rampage. also that year, liverpool beat roma in their own stadium in the European cup, their fans stabbed anyone in a liverpool top. please look this up. this left juventus with a hatred for english fans and liverpool with a hatred for italian fans. then they were both put together, separated by chicken wire, and unsuitable policing. what could go wrong eh...? liverpool has taken full responsibilty for this, as fans were convicted, did you forget that?
@@marky78mark there you go! You see.....you just admitted it yourself: it was the hatred of Liverpool fans for Italian fans that caused the disaster. I'm just quoting yourself here. There are plenty of videos filmed by cameramen of official TV stations from several European nations showing Liverpool fans throwing rocks at the Italians. In some cases you can see the actual flying objects in those videos, sometimes you just see the motion of the hooligans' arms typical of somebody who is throwing something in front of him, making it easy to assume that it is a piece of concrete from the terraces or an empty bottle of beer that is being hurled by the hooligans. Journalists actually reported that the hooligans filled those empty bottles with dirt and small rocks, creating some sort of makeshift missiles, and throw them towards the Italians. But in those videos you can especially see Liverpool hooligans (about 200/300 of them) charging the Italians with hard PVC tubes and iron rods all over block Z, causing them to run in panic and trample one another to death. How come professional TV cameramen were able to film all the wrongdoing of the hooligans against the Italians, but there is no footage nor pictures of Italians provoking Liverpool fans? Easy to answer: because the Italians on block Z did nothing wrong against Liverpool fans. The Italians sitting at the opposite end of the stadium at some point got animated and started throwing rocks at the police officers who were pinning them down on their end of the stadium, avoiding them to get in contact with Liverpool fans. Those Italian fans throwing rocks were filmed on TV, but again those rocks were aimed at Belgian police officers, not Liverpool fans. So whatever Alan Hanson says (he was in the locker room with the rest of Liverpool squad when the riot took place, so he didn't see anything in person) or Liverpool hooligans say (people accused of manslaughter, like Terry Wilson and the other 13 hooligans, make up any sort of story in order to get away with their wrongdoing, so whatever they say is overwhelmingly biased) are worth nothing unless backed up by some solid evidence, regardless of what you might think.
@@davideleone9809 to quote there you go! ''You see.....you just admitted it yourself: it was the hatred of Liverpool fans for Italian fans that caused the disaster. I'm just quoting yourself here''. you conveniently left out the italian hatred part didnt you? if you cant look at both sides of the coin for this disaster there is no point responding to anything else that you say really. of course there are plenty of clips of liverpool fans throwing rocks, hitting out with sticks etc, this is because the cameras turned around when they realised something was wrong (fans charging opposing fans, kinda hard to ignore...). you really are playing games here arent you? why would the cameras turn around and film rocks flying over from the italians? rocks flying through the air make no noticeable noise in a packed stadium. regarding alan hanson, he never said he saw the riot. re-watch the clip, im starting to think you havent watched it at all. he stated that he went out before the game to greet the fans, and had to dodge missiles thrown from the italians, lets ignore that witness statement though eh... witness statements are solid evidence, lets not forget, the suspects would of been interviewed separately and came from different areas of the uk not just liverpool, so unlikely to have 'met up' to discuss a story. to quote from the original reply you made to the clip ''shut the fuck up and take full responsibility for your actions''. again, liverpool fans were convicted for their part in the disaster. justice has been done. but not just that, liverpool football club will carry around this tag as 'animals' forever. this means they will be hated by many and picked off by italians every time their team play there, even though they probably were not even born when heysel occured or were involved in it, but this is how it is. liverpool have a memorial not just to hillsborough but also heysel. they are not trying to ignore it, they have said sorry, again fans convicted. liverpool have taken full responsibility despite the poor stadium, flying rocks, the stupidity of placing opposing fans next to each other with nothing more than chicken wire, and the decision to let so many belgium police have time off instead of policing this game.
@@marky78mark I guess the cameramen were distracted when the Italians were misbehaving. You just said that the "cameras turned around when things started to go wrong", and things started to go wrong exactly when those 200/300 idiots started misbehaving. You say "why cameras should turn around when the Italians threw rocks?" My question is: why did the cameras turn around when the hooligans threw rocks? Indeed the cameras didn't turn around when the charges made by the hooligans started, but when the hooligans started throwing rocks, which is before the charges, as many videos can attest to. So to answer your question: "why cameras didn't turn around when the Italians threw rocks"? The answer is that they didn't turn around because the Italians didn't throw rocks. Hansen said that he and his teammates had to dodge missiles? There are images made by Swiss national TV (I think it's called TSI) which shows Liverpool squad saluting their fans on block Y and X, and in that video I don't see any missile flying around, nor Hansen or any other Liverpool player ducking, bending, diving, or dodging any flying object. The Italians sitting in block Z were families with children, the kind of people who peacefully watch the games rather than stir trouble. The hardcore Italian fans, the so-called "Ultras", the ones who could potentially start any trouble, were sitting at the opposite end of the stadium, and didn't get in contact with Liverpool fans at all in any given moment. Personally I am perfectly content with the way things resolved during the course of the years after the Heysel disaster. I am happy that at least 14 hooligans were convicted (even though the longest sentence carried out was just 9 months, for Terry Wilson), I am happy that Liverpool got banned for a number of years (even though I was sorry for all the other English teams that because of Liverpool ended up getting the same undeserved punishment) and I am happy that Margaret Thatcher got England and Europe rid of English hooligans. I'm just not happy when somebody like the person who opened this thread tries to shift the responsibility of Heysel tragedy away from those 200/300 hooligans who caused it. Because you can find a million excuses, or mitigating factors (bad policing, poor ticketing strategy, deteriorated stadium), but ultimately it is the Liverpool fans (again, those 200/300 who charged the Italians) who caused the death of 39 innocent people. Had the hooligans not charged the Italians, the 39 victims would not have died. That's why I felt like I needed to comment on the comment made by the original OP. Think that I'm not even a Juventus fan. Actually Juventus is the team that I hate the most in the whole world of football because of their reputation of fixing games and entire tournaments, and for robbing my home team, which is Catania Football Club, every time they get to play against us. I'm also extremely critical of the way Juventus handled the Heysel tragedy during and after it happened, with Platini crassly cheering when he scored the penalty kick, the whole team celebrating around the pitch after winning the game, Juventus fans parading all over Italy to celebrate the "victory" of the cup, and the whole club triumphantly descending from the plane in Turin making sure their cup was in plain sight for everybody to see it. But I am Italian, and 32 out of 39 victims at the Heysel were Italians, and they unjustly ended up dead because of the behavior of a bunch of morons. Finally to answer your question regarding why I only partially quoted you at the beginning of my last comment, I did that because the fact that you said that "Italian fans were angry at English supporter" was irrelevant because it is a statement absolutely untrue. Before Heysel, Juventus and Liverpool hadn't played each other, and their fans never came into contact with one another. You mentioned that Juventus fans were mad at English people in general because of the match against Manchester United the year before. All I remember about that game is that Man Utd hooligans trashed Turin (something that sometimes happens even during domestic games), but there wasn't any blood spilled, and I really doubt that Juventus fans bore a grudge against the whole English population because some drunken lads pissed in the middle of their favorite square or left their empty beer bottles in front of their doorsteps. Liverpool fans, on the other hand, got seriously mistreated in Rome the year before by the Roma fans. I remember very well the news about the stabbings of Liverpool fans perpetrated by Roma supporters who were angry because their team had lost the Champion's Cup final. Therefore it was more the Liverpool fans (not all of them of course) who wanted to exact revenge on any Italian they could lay their hands on rather than the other way around. Lastly I don't understand why you got offended when I said "shut the fuck up". That wasn't addressed to you, but to the opener of this thread.
Why did juventus fans get a full end, but Liverpool fans 2/3 of the other end? Also With juventus fans directly adjacent to them in the other 1/3. It’s Almost like it was set up intentionally as provocation
@@noname52768Because you are not a fully functioning adult. You have neither the brain power or morals to be responsible for anything. YIn short, you are one of life's c**ts.
Hanson might have the good grace and manners to remember the 39 innocent boys and men who died caused by a catalogue of errors, cover ups, oversights and corruption by UEFA, the Belgian police and above all the moronic Liverpool thugs who surged at the Juventus fans (some of whom were also very violent) that day. Repugnant too that the match was even played.
Juve had their share of animals too. Do you defend the Juventus fan who brought a GUN into the stadium with him? Or the ultras who brought iron bars into the ground? Anyway, I don't think you know what really happened.
@@martinodoni8943ultras Juventus and the man with gun were in the opposite side of the stadium , not in the Z sector. drunk animals Liverpool fans attacked simple spectators (not ultra violent), even knowing that in sector Z there were families, women, children, Italians, Belgians, French, English sportsmen, in fact even a British citizen died in the crowd, 4 Belgians, 2 French, a Northern Irish, 3 sports fans of the Inter, an 11-year-old boy ... congratulations to the Liverpool fans and to the English sports and political instructions who continue to deny the responsibilities of their alcoholics compatriots.
liverpool fans responding to being pelted with concrete by juventus fans . You all need to get your facts straight. But the narrative has always been that liverpool were completely to blame. You will never learn! RIP to those poor people who died and shame on uefa for not staging the final safely.
is there any evidence of this provocation by the Italian fans throwing rocks and bottles at the Liverpool fans? Are there any videos? Any pictures? Any reports made by the authority or journalists (of course not the statements made by Liverpool hooligans like that Terry Wilson who contended that Italian grownup men were beating an imaginary 12-year Liverpool boy)? If there is any of that please post links, otherwise shut the fuck up and take full responsibility for your actions (and here I'm not blaming all the English people, nor all the Liverpool fans, but just those 200/300 idiotic hooligans who charged the Italians, causing them to panic and trample one another to death).
@cultfigure 22 when you say "before the game", where exactly these attacks on Liverpool fans took place? Outside the stadium? Inside the stadium in section Z? Somewhere else inside the stadium? My point is that the Italian fans in section Z were either elders or adults with children (you can clearly see that from numerous videos), that is the kind of people who go to the stadium to peacefully watch the game rather than stir trouble "pelting fans with missiles and attacking lads". The hardcore Italian fans were sitting at the opposite end of the stadium, and they never came into contact with Liverpool fans at any moment inside the stadium. Again there isn't any hard evidence (videos, pics, official reports) showing any wrongdoing on the part of the Italians, and until the contrary is proven, I'll stick to that.
It was Juventus fans fault but no one wants to hear it The year before liverpool in rome Fans were stabbed. Shame because of your Italian hooligans many people died.
Hillsborough was definitely not the fans fault but heysel was. A little self reflection wouldn’t go amiss from those associated with Liverpool FC
Heysel was the fault of the fans but it wasn't a surprise hooliganism occurred. Precautions should have been taken. Safe ground, good policing and proper segregation.
this aggression towards a sector with simple spectators with theft of flags is comparable only to a delinquent who attacks an elderly person from behind to steal his wallet ..... it would be necessary to coin a word just for a similar act of cowardice, these individuals they are vomiting
Hansen showing his true colours there.. shame, used to respect the guy
He's absolutely spot on, you've come here with an agenda and it stinks
My sister was living inn Brussels at the time. There was trouble as soon as the Italians arrived in the city.
They had been fighting all day in the city center.
and the stadium was falling apart it was easy to climb over the walls rather than pay in.
Given the hooliganism that was plaguing and embarrassing English football at the time, although many have criticised the banning of English clubs from European tournaments as overly harsh, something needed to be done to make the ones attending the matches better behaved. They probably thought, if this doesn't encourage them to clean up their act as a nation, nothing will. Football is a sport, it always has been, so to encourage those who actually wanted to watch the games rather than turn up for fights in the grounds, notable hooligans were banned over time from matches.
Having said that, the condition of the stadium at Heysel left much to be desired. It looked unfit for hosting an amateur football match, let alone the biggest match in Europe
the ultras juventus were on the opposite side of the stadium, not in sector Z. The British have always declared, and continue to declare, that they were provoked by the Italian-Franco-Belgian offenders in sector Z, by the ferocious families, bloodthirsty women who brandished handbags, hooligan children who threw cans of coca cola, elderly grandparents armed with catheters, and that the poor liverpool fans all abstemius, only defended themselves .... THE BANALITY OF EVIL
@@dr.sranamoreAlways the Victims, right? #JFT39
@@havanadaurcy1321 always banality, right?
but liverpool should of been band for longer ,it hit other british clubs because of the scummy scousera
@@tmltmsweetlittlelies5838 although Liverpool were blamed for the violence at Heysel, it should be pointed out that violence was becoming increasingly common in English league matches in the 1980's. Something had to be done to snap those lunatics out of it, can you imagine actually relishing violence at a game? So much for football being "the beautiful game," on the domestic and international side of things, it just brought shame on English clubs
Anyone got a link to the full video?
Iiverpool fans were responsible for the massacre.
Justice for the 39 ❤😢
Clueless
Classy reaction@@71hammyman
Crocodile tears.
@@71hammymanAleays the vitim .Everyone hstes you
Total and utter shame on the English game. I remember watching it and thinking Im ashamed to be English. Hansen still making excuses.
It was shocking defending, lacksadaysical, schoolboy stuff
and now repeat
Heysel was the event that ended my passion for football.
How why but him unbelievable I want to swear but
U are clearly clueless u mug
Justice for the 39!!!!!
They got justice, 14 fans arrested.
The families of the 39 have received justice rightly so, the Hillsborough families have never received justice because of the establishment cover-up . Jft 97.
Several top officials, Captain Johan Mathieu from the Belgium police force, 14 fans convicted of involuntary manslaughter recieving prison sentences, so justice has been done rightly so, were by Hillsborough families have never received justice because of the establishment cover-up. Jft 97.
@@anthonyo.6084 Not justice. It was murder.
It's never Liverpools fault. It was the stadium, should never have been played their. Police weren't searching fans right. It was badly organised....goes on...
Always the victims....
Never thier faulf
The irony of Hansen talking about missiles being thrown. It was Liverpool fans throwing golf balls with 6 inch nails driven through at Man United fans at Goodison Park in a FA Cup Semi final. Always hard done to. Always ignore their own actions.
@@steve-kl9iv does United ( according to you) being the first in the things you mention absolve Liverpool fans????? Once again ignoring your own poor behaviour and switching on someone else. What are your views on " we knocked Everton out of the European Cup without kicking a ball "? Jokes that continued to be told in Liverpool until Hillsborough? I suppose you're going to say Arsenal fans told sick jokes first. That joke in particular shows how much your club cared about Heysel.
@@steve-kl9iv wow. 39 people lost their lives and you talk about others. Do you remember " we knocked Everton out of the European Cup without kicking a ball " jokes? They were told until Hillsborough. Then all of a sudden Liverpool for some reason believe that gave them the moral high ground. Hillsborough jokes would rightly be called out as sick, Heysel jokes were funny. And you wonder why Liverpool fans are accused of hypocrisy.
@@steve-kl9iv don't worry Steve. I've literally brought this up regarding Heysel jokes many times. You're keeping up my 100% record of not receiving 1 reply. Funny that eh.
@@steve-kl9iv wow Steve , total silence. Its as if you haven't got a defence or even an apology. Game over.
@@steve-kl9iv never heard it? NEC Evertons sponsor No European Competition. As for better things to do, you were quick enough to reply to the other posts. When you have no response just claim ignorance. I find it very hard to believe you never heard it. Horrible club horrible players and scum supporters.
Alan Hansen trying to justify murder
How
See the excuses he was trying to
Make. RIP to folk who were innocently killed.
What excuses, he didn't make any
@@shredder9536, he mentioned everything but the murders!!!
@@englanduk6131 there were no murderers there
@@shredder9536, of course not, its Liverpool isn't it? The "perpetual victims", even though it was 39 Italians who died!
@@shredder9536 WHAT!
abbiamo visto il fairplay inglese nella finale a wembley...2021 non sapete perdere...per questo non vincerete mai...☠️
Alan Hansen is Scottish. But I’m not going to get into an argument about the rights or wrongs of my countrymen. May the 39 innocent victims of Heysel rest in peace.
I remember it well unfortunately..
So sad
So it was the stadiums fault? Not the Liverpool fans? My bad 😑
It was also our fans' fault but UEFA could've easily prevented that ffom happening
your music is shit
Where did he say it was the stadiums fault
How dare he blame Juve fans. The only culprits were the Liverpool fans.
Oh yeah, the Italians were so well behaved. They only rioted for an hour!
@@steve-kl9ivafter learning 39 were killed . Idiot
@@steve-kl9iv After seeing 40 Juve fans die, they rioted yes. Cause & effect.
@@drfibonacci7570 but they didn't know that at the time. Most fans there didn't know there'd been any deaths until after the game .
So your excuse for rioting juve fans is rubbish.
Oh and 40 juve fans didn't die. If you're going to do fake outrage at least get the basics right
@@steve-kl9iv They saw it in front of their own eyes. Stop making excuses for murder.
Similar circumstances Gary.
JFT39
Odio liverpool
RESPECT
+39
Se hai 15 anni sei giustificato se ne hai 60 fatti visitare
Odio Francesco Canciani.
Great player remember him well our rock at the back in the 80's he helped us win everything we so great in the 80's no one could touch us.
@Paul McNamara.... Nicely swerved the real point.... Scousers murdering innocents!!!!
We all paid for their sins .
Стадиона си беше добре за онова време и не е виновен за това че някои (хора) не бяха отишли да гледат финала а да се бият и правят безредици! Които и да беше стадиона същото щеше да стане при тези анти футболни пияни и дрогирани лумпени !!! Поклон!
Liverpool hooligans had knives, pistols, the lot.
The game that was English football's darkest moment and when football's reputation sank into the sewer. The following season football attendances fell to their lowest ever, violence continued to flare up and most people considered it a yobs game with no future. Sadly it took another disiaster four years later for things to really change and football to start to recover to what became the beautiful game from the mid nineties onwards.
this was bound to happen...years of english hooliganism reached boiling point right here...belgian security and authorities were a joke...how the hell could they not be prepared for this...iam looking at 3 or 4 police officers trying to hold back a torrent of raging fans behind a wire fence...give me a break honestly
Weird take but ok
How much whiskey had he drunk before this interview?
Reds Animals!!!!
@@nikreece6295 c mon Sheffield
People commenting on lawrenson's video about nobody ever talking about Heysel are now on here having a go at Hansen for talking about Heysel 😂
And yet the very same year, Everton fans had no issues during their European Cup Winners Cup campaign and victory. So, I dont think it was either because of ' English clubs' , or ' Scousers'.
No comparison. Safer ground, better policing, Austrians had no hooligans.
That's like asking why Millwall v Everton saw some of the worst trouble for years when there was no trouble at any other cup tie that day 😂
Why did UEFA give 2/3 of the stand to Liverpool fans and the complited one to Juve ones? That's the original sin I think.
Liverpool's shame.
they never forgive my team nottingham forest for beating them in the league cup final and knocking them out of europe but when i went to the replay after hillsborough to show our respects all they was chanting was we hate nottingham forest and they can be a nasty bunch of fans.
That's not true... You get idiots at all football clubs... Your fans didn't know what was going on when it was happening. .. Im a Liverpool fan.. And I don't hate Nottingham Forest.. Not at all... It was a tragic accident that should've never happened
You lot were chanting "you scouse b*stards" when our fans were on the pitch dying so stop playing the victim
What an awful chant to sing. How very rude.
SOME OF THEM WERE SAVAGES THAT NIGHT! NO IFS NO BUTS.
Shocking liverpool get a free pass on this.
How do you work that out? 😂
Blame solely lies with them Lpool supporters.
Cannot Disagree with you, SHOCKING, those so called Liverpool fans caused it, no excuses, again SHOCKING..
@@stormytempest6521 Scousers at their thieving and drug infested highs at this time too
Liverpool fans certainly bared a lot of the responsibility for the Heysel disaster although objectively speaking, they weren't 100% at fault. Heysel stadium was blatantly unfit for purpose and the decision to put both Liverpool and Juventus fans in the same section was asking for trouble given how prominent hooliganism was at the time
That's not absolving those Liverpool fans of anyway wrongdoing, but it's important to acknowledge that UEFA were far from blameless either and solely pointing the finger at Liverpool fans is letting UEFA off the hook for their horrific mismanagement
@@fivestarman5130lso both Liverpool and Juventues PLEADED to UEFA to changed the venue to either the camp nou or bernabu. That alone shows you the ignorance. I watched a podcast with Craig Johnston that when they inspected the pitch, a group of Liverpool fans showed them rubble from the ground saying that there was going to be trouble. Another runour I heard that it didn't even pass its health and safety checks. Heysel hadn't hosted a final in over a decade. Don't know what UEFA were thinking
The people on here who don't have a clue giving the Liverpool fans all the blame ,this was a tragedy no fan should die and never come home but after all these years the hate towards the lfc fans without knowing the facts is unbelievable , well maybe it's easier to blame the Liverpool fans instead of the authorities is easy don't look into why the stadium was crumbling or the fact that the Italian fans where in the neutral end next to the Liverpool fans , or why the police never stopped them ,just go with the flow and blame the Liverpool fans or don't say nothing about a gun being fired by the Italian fans , who brings a gun to a football match ,all the authorities got away with being blamed big time , because it's easier to blame all this on the Liverpool fans , R.I.P to all the Italians , No fan should not go home after going to a football game
Of course it's never the Liverpool fans fault, always the victims, right?
Would it have happened if liverpool fans rushed the stand? NO. And for that they have to take a brunt of the blame and responsibility
yup they are filtered to think like that and then they go on doing things as if they some next angel club english teams got banned caused of you bastards should have been you its atrocious and appalling that you deflect all blame to authorities partly their fault but then end of the day comes down to self control of your fans which resulted in 25 italians dead and 97 of your own YOUR OWN and liverpool fans say (authorities should have done this should have done that) cos its easier than admitting your own foolish actions init god have mercy on those people that had to suffer in the hands of your foolish fans hope you never lift the prem again
No you dont have a clue. Offended by everything ashamed of nothing. There was another european final a week eralier , no truouble there. Imagine winning leagues and not being able to play in europe. Put a few clubs back decades. Lets not forget them bricking the city bus couple of years ago as well.
@@notoriouslynch607 if someone was throwing stones, rocks and other objects at you would you stand there and do nothing? Yes you probably would because you're a pushover. Ultimately they wouldn't be dead if they didn't throw shit at them.
Sounds like UEFA are again somewhat to blame! Where did I hear that before? hhhm
Reds drunk and wild Beast
Other people suffer when irresponsible people please themselves. The fences at Hillsborough were errected to
stop bad behaviour, but sadly ended up being responsible
for many deaths and injuries when an inexperienced crowd controller couldn't handle an overcrowding situation.
At the time I remember thinking at first "Oh no, not more trouble causing hooligans!" before I realised it was inadequate stewarding as a result of lack of good leadership.
Correct. The reason those fences existed was because of clubs like Liverpool, and it ends up killing their own fans in the end......
dream on
@bettytigers....this isn't about Hillsborough it's about Heysel!!!
Scouser s murdered them not fences not walls not the police not the organiser s not the stadium SCOUSER S MURDERED THEM
@@AntiAddickdisgusting aren't you
Thank for uploading this man, is nice to see a legend - Alan Hansen talking about this incident and telling the other side of the story which the media failed to do. When you read the story from the media all the blame was placed on Liverpool fans, the instigator Juventus' fans were never pointed fingers at but seen as victims, yes some of them were because they may not be part of the breaks throwing fans. I am deeply sorry for the loss of lives but we should always tell the truth.
is there any evidence of this provocation by the Italian fans throwing rocks and bottles at the Liverpool fans? Are there any videos? Any pictures? Any reports made by the authority or journalists (of course not the statements made by Liverpool hooligans like that Terry Wilson who contended that Italian grownup men were beating an imaginary 12-year Liverpool boy)?
If there is any of that please post links, otherwise shut the fuck up and take full responsibility for your actions (and here I'm not blaming all the English people, nor all the Liverpool fans, but just those 200/300 idiotic hooligans who charged the Italians, causing them to panic and trample one another to death).
@@davideleone9809 any evidence, did you watch the clip? alan hanson doesnt seem the type to lie about something like that. Also numerous fans in statements reported rocks landing into their section. how are you expecting there to be pictures of rocks flying through the air, or video evidence? anyone with a video recorder would of been pitch side and unaware of what was occurring, this was 1985 not 2019, there were no mobile fucking phones! were you there? if not, how do you know the boy was imaginary? fuck off asking for links of rocks flying through the air..
As an aside, the previous year, juventus beat man utd in turin which led to united fans going on the rampage. also that year, liverpool beat roma in their own stadium in the European cup, their fans stabbed anyone in a liverpool top. please look this up. this left juventus with a hatred for english fans and liverpool with a hatred for italian fans. then they were both put together, separated by chicken wire, and unsuitable policing. what could go wrong eh...?
liverpool has taken full responsibilty for this, as fans were convicted, did you forget that?
@@marky78mark there you go! You see.....you just admitted it yourself: it was the hatred of Liverpool fans for Italian fans that caused the disaster. I'm just quoting yourself here.
There are plenty of videos filmed by cameramen of official TV stations from several European nations showing Liverpool fans throwing rocks at the Italians. In some cases you can see the actual flying objects in those videos, sometimes you just see the motion of the hooligans' arms typical of somebody who is throwing something in front of him, making it easy to assume that it is a piece of concrete from the terraces or an empty bottle of beer that is being hurled by the hooligans. Journalists actually reported that the hooligans filled those empty bottles with dirt and small rocks, creating some sort of makeshift missiles, and throw them towards the Italians.
But in those videos you can especially see Liverpool hooligans (about 200/300 of them) charging the Italians with hard PVC tubes and iron rods all over block Z, causing them to run in panic and trample one another to death.
How come professional TV cameramen were able to film all the wrongdoing of the hooligans against the Italians, but there is no footage nor pictures of Italians provoking Liverpool fans? Easy to answer: because the Italians on block Z did nothing wrong against Liverpool fans. The Italians sitting at the opposite end of the stadium at some point got animated and started throwing rocks at the police officers who were pinning them down on their end of the stadium, avoiding them to get in contact with Liverpool fans. Those Italian fans throwing rocks were filmed on TV, but again those rocks were aimed at Belgian police officers, not Liverpool fans.
So whatever Alan Hanson says (he was in the locker room with the rest of Liverpool squad when the riot took place, so he didn't see anything in person) or Liverpool hooligans say (people accused of manslaughter, like Terry Wilson and the other 13 hooligans, make up any sort of story in order to get away with their wrongdoing, so whatever they say is overwhelmingly biased) are worth nothing unless backed up by some solid evidence, regardless of what you might think.
@@davideleone9809 to quote there you go! ''You see.....you just admitted it yourself: it was the hatred of Liverpool fans for Italian fans that caused the disaster. I'm just quoting yourself here''. you conveniently left out the italian hatred part didnt you? if you cant look at both sides of the coin for this disaster there is no point responding to anything else that you say really.
of course there are plenty of clips of liverpool fans throwing rocks, hitting out with sticks etc, this is because the cameras turned around when they realised something was wrong (fans charging opposing fans, kinda hard to ignore...). you really are playing games here arent you? why would the cameras turn around and film rocks flying over from the italians? rocks flying through the air make no noticeable noise in a packed stadium.
regarding alan hanson, he never said he saw the riot. re-watch the clip, im starting to think you havent watched it at all. he stated that he went out before the game to greet the fans, and had to dodge missiles thrown from the italians, lets ignore that witness statement though eh...
witness statements are solid evidence, lets not forget, the suspects would of been interviewed separately and came from different areas of the uk not just liverpool, so unlikely to have 'met up' to discuss a story.
to quote from the original reply you made to the clip
''shut the fuck up and take full responsibility for your actions''.
again, liverpool fans were convicted for their part in the disaster. justice has been done. but not just that, liverpool football club will carry around this tag as 'animals' forever. this means they will be hated by many and picked off by italians every time their team play there, even though they probably were not even born when heysel occured or were involved in it, but this is how it is.
liverpool have a memorial not just to hillsborough but also heysel. they are not trying to ignore it, they have said sorry, again fans convicted. liverpool have taken full responsibility despite the poor stadium, flying rocks, the stupidity of placing opposing fans next to each other with nothing more than chicken wire, and the decision to let so many belgium police have time off instead of policing this game.
@@marky78mark I guess the cameramen were distracted when the Italians were misbehaving. You just said that the "cameras turned around when things started to go wrong", and things started to go wrong exactly when those 200/300 idiots started misbehaving.
You say "why cameras should turn around when the Italians threw rocks?" My question is: why did the cameras turn around when the hooligans threw rocks? Indeed the cameras didn't turn around when the charges made by the hooligans started, but when the hooligans started throwing rocks, which is before the charges, as many videos can attest to.
So to answer your question: "why cameras didn't turn around when the Italians threw rocks"? The answer is that they didn't turn around because the Italians didn't throw rocks. Hansen said that he and his teammates had to dodge missiles? There are images made by Swiss national TV (I think it's called TSI) which shows Liverpool squad saluting their fans on block Y and X, and in that video I don't see any missile flying around, nor Hansen or any other Liverpool player ducking, bending, diving, or dodging any flying object. The Italians sitting in block Z were families with children, the kind of people who peacefully watch the games rather than stir trouble. The hardcore Italian fans, the so-called "Ultras", the ones who could potentially start any trouble, were sitting at the opposite end of the stadium, and didn't get in contact with Liverpool fans at all in any given moment.
Personally I am perfectly content with the way things resolved during the course of the years after the Heysel disaster. I am happy that at least 14 hooligans were convicted (even though the longest sentence carried out was just 9 months, for Terry Wilson), I am happy that Liverpool got banned for a number of years (even though I was sorry for all the other English teams that because of Liverpool ended up getting the same undeserved punishment) and I am happy that Margaret Thatcher got England and Europe rid of English hooligans. I'm just not happy when somebody like the person who opened this thread tries to shift the responsibility of Heysel tragedy away from those 200/300 hooligans who caused it. Because you can find a million excuses, or mitigating factors (bad policing, poor ticketing strategy, deteriorated stadium), but ultimately it is the Liverpool fans (again, those 200/300 who charged the Italians) who caused the death of 39 innocent people. Had the hooligans not charged the Italians, the 39 victims would not have died. That's why I felt like I needed to comment on the comment made by the original OP.
Think that I'm not even a Juventus fan. Actually Juventus is the team that I hate the most in the whole world of football because of their reputation of fixing games and entire tournaments, and for robbing my home team, which is Catania Football Club, every time they get to play against us. I'm also extremely critical of the way Juventus handled the Heysel tragedy during and after it happened, with Platini crassly cheering when he scored the penalty kick, the whole team celebrating around the pitch after winning the game, Juventus fans parading all over Italy to celebrate the "victory" of the cup, and the whole club triumphantly descending from the plane in Turin making sure their cup was in plain sight for everybody to see it. But I am Italian, and 32 out of 39 victims at the Heysel were Italians, and they unjustly ended up dead because of the behavior of a bunch of morons.
Finally to answer your question regarding why I only partially quoted you at the beginning of my last comment, I did that because the fact that you said that "Italian fans were angry at English supporter" was irrelevant because it is a statement absolutely untrue. Before Heysel, Juventus and Liverpool hadn't played each other, and their fans never came into contact with one another. You mentioned that Juventus fans were mad at English people in general because of the match against Manchester United the year before. All I remember about that game is that Man Utd hooligans trashed Turin (something that sometimes happens even during domestic games), but there wasn't any blood spilled, and I really doubt that Juventus fans bore a grudge against the whole English population because some drunken lads pissed in the middle of their favorite square or left their empty beer bottles in front of their doorsteps. Liverpool fans, on the other hand, got seriously mistreated in Rome the year before by the Roma fans. I remember very well the news about the stabbings of Liverpool fans perpetrated by Roma supporters who were angry because their team had lost the Champion's Cup final. Therefore it was more the Liverpool fans (not all of them of course) who wanted to exact revenge on any Italian they could lay their hands on rather than the other way around.
Lastly I don't understand why you got offended when I said "shut the fuck up". That wasn't addressed to you, but to the opener of this thread.
Why does trouble follow Liverpool everywhere they go?
Never their fault though.
Why did juventus fans get a full end, but Liverpool fans 2/3 of the other end? Also With juventus fans directly adjacent to them in the other 1/3.
It’s Almost like it was set up intentionally as provocation
I hope you aren't let near children.
@@jb9433 you’re the weird one thinking about children bro. Who mentioned children other than you?
@@noname52768Because you are not a fully functioning adult. You have neither the brain power or morals to be responsible for anything. YIn short, you are one of life's c**ts.
Hanson might have the good grace and manners to remember the 39 innocent boys and men who died caused by a catalogue of errors, cover ups, oversights and corruption by UEFA, the Belgian police and above all the moronic Liverpool thugs who surged at the Juventus fans (some of whom were also very violent) that day. Repugnant too that the match was even played.
You obviously didn't listen
reds animals
Juve had their share of animals too. Do you defend the Juventus fan who brought a GUN into the stadium with him? Or the ultras who brought iron bars into the ground?
Anyway, I don't think you know what really happened.
@@martinodoni8943 remember....39 death
@@martinodoni8943ultras Juventus and the man with gun were in the opposite side of the stadium , not in the Z sector. drunk animals Liverpool fans attacked simple spectators (not ultra violent), even knowing that in sector Z there were families, women, children, Italians, Belgians, French, English sportsmen, in fact even a British citizen died in the crowd, 4 Belgians, 2 French, a Northern Irish, 3 sports fans of the Inter, an 11-year-old boy ... congratulations to the Liverpool fans and to the English sports and political instructions who continue to deny the responsibilities of their alcoholics compatriots.
Fuck off
Shows how bad the police were that day that someone was able to bring a starters pistol in with them ( that’s the gun mentioned here ).
Always the victims it's never your fault.....
Distopia
But remember that it wasn't Liverpool fans fault....
@Wisty Boy You said it my friend 🤷
Only bitter United fans say that
@@Row1and Qpr fan mate 🤷♂️
@@jameslittle9284 why are you saying it wasn't liverpool fans fault when we clearly take responsibility for it
@@Row1and LFC always the victims
This ain't English football it's scoucers
Of course no other English team had hooligans? The English national team fans rioted wherever they went until recently
Everton won the European cup winners cup the same year. Not a single case of fan violence. Maybe try again ...its kopites
Always the victims.
Tosser
liverpool fans responding to being pelted with concrete by juventus fans . You all need to get your facts straight. But the narrative has always been that liverpool were completely to blame. You will never learn! RIP to those poor people who died and shame on uefa for not staging the final safely.
tosser juve fans were to blame
is there any evidence of this provocation by the Italian fans throwing rocks and bottles at the Liverpool fans? Are there any videos? Any pictures? Any reports made by the authority or journalists (of course not the statements made by Liverpool hooligans like that Terry Wilson who contended that Italian grownup men were beating an imaginary 12-year Liverpool boy)?
If there is any of that please post links, otherwise shut the fuck up and take full responsibility for your actions (and here I'm not blaming all the English people, nor all the Liverpool fans, but just those 200/300 idiotic hooligans who charged the Italians, causing them to panic and trample one another to death).
@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 fuck off
@Cool Dude it's never fault
Always the victim
@cultfigure 22 when you say "before the game", where exactly these attacks on Liverpool fans took place? Outside the stadium? Inside the stadium in section Z? Somewhere else inside the stadium?
My point is that the Italian fans in section Z were either elders or adults with children (you can clearly see that from numerous videos), that is the kind of people who go to the stadium to peacefully watch the game rather than stir trouble "pelting fans with missiles and attacking lads". The hardcore Italian fans were sitting at the opposite end of the stadium, and they never came into contact with Liverpool fans at any moment inside the stadium.
Again there isn't any hard evidence (videos, pics, official reports) showing any wrongdoing on the part of the Italians, and until the contrary is proven, I'll stick to that.
speak English, man! his accent is so strong I can hardly understand him
Understood every word..
Englishman.
I like your name
@@aafgahfah next to me is the grave with no name containing $300k in confederate gold
@@tonyclifton265 you dig
@@aafgahfah lol there are two kinds of people in the world, Tuco
It was Juventus fans fault but no one wants to hear it
The year before liverpool in rome
Fans were stabbed.
Shame because of your Italian hooligans many people died.
Fantasy
Fact@@drfibonacci7570
Always the victims its never your fault
LIVERPOOL ANIMALS!
Juventus animals 🐷 🐴 🐮 🦁 🦌 🐻