I would just ask the National gallery to never stop doing this. For people from developing nations and not so well off for overseas vacations, these talks are like dreams only made possible by such great endeavors. Loved this one like all others. Can never have more of it.
These talks are such gems, the curators all have such a knack weaving art history, history and iconography together and bringing the paintings, artists and their time to life. The National Gallery is a national treasure!
Excellent lecture by Matthias Wivel, fluent, and covering so many facets; of the painting's 'ups-and downs' it's brushwork and narrative, as well as snippets of the relationship between Sebastiano, Michelangelo and Raphael. I can't get to the NG now, but being able to key into these videos is brilliant. A big thanks. (UK)
A good contrast with Islam illustrated by this painting and its underlying story is how Jesus treated women. He taught them along with men and had personal relationships with them which were non-sexual. In Islam, Mohammed only taught them after they protested and demanded it. And then they were taught - but not mixed with men.
This is often a problem with illustrated lectures, with a view of the speaker given more air time than the object/slide/map under discussion. Videographers take note!
I agree, and in fact express far more irritation. It is downright disappointing. I came to the point where it was an audio lecture while I did other things.
@@dmmw125 Are you saying we should avoid capital letters in comments, texts etc etc etc? That wouldn't mean basically getting rid of capital letters period. Personally I'm impressed that he still use capitals. Sigh...
at15:09, Giulio di Giuliano de' Medici (pope Clement VII) is not a nephew of the Leo X, they are cousins, they had the same paternal grandfather. Leo's father is Lorenzo the magnificent, older brother of Giuliano de' Medici (Clement's father).
Great talk, but the camera work needs to be much better coordinated to the speaker. Let us hear him, but see (up close!) the part of the painting he’s discussing.
As others have said, whilst it is interesting to listen to the curator, it helps to understand what he is saying if the camera fixes on the picture and not him. Showing mainly the curator, and the back of the audiance from the back of the room with the picture in the distance, completly negates the purpose of the video.
Could we maybe get a better look at the paintings and the specifics the curators talk about? This is a recurrent issue in nearly all lectures from the Nat Gallery
Italian Renaissance art is impressive. The Catholic Church, the Italian city states, and the growing merchant class gave the impetus for these painters, sculptors, and architects to thrive.
This wonderful man made me feel so sorry to be old and probably will not be able to see this painting again. Anyhow I am grateful for his lectures so full of love and passion for art. Grazie.
Excellent lecture but I wish the camera was on the painting more than the lecturer. I was frustrated at certain points when he was describing some of the detail of the painting but the camera was directed at him and not the area of the painting he was discussing.
The narrator is just as exquisite as the painting. It must match. Both narrator and the painting. But that's is just my opinion 🙏 If my sight was taken by God this narrator would allow me to see this painting in fullness of it all🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you ! 30 minutes went by so fast and I feel so much more enlightened about this artist and the wonderful and convulated relationship among the artists !!
It's time to drop this notion: that nothing can be removed from a painting without it falling apart: this is a fanciful, juvenile and sentimental conception - prove it if that's what you believe: photoshop out a figure in a Raphael painting and see if it 'falls apart'. This conception makes artists seem like those who have 'perfection' (balance in composition) and those who fail to reach this 'perfection'. It does nothing to educate the public.
I always marvel at how much "We" in the 21st century find it necessary to weave a full narrative around the image,... presuming so much,... and not letting us the viewer drink in the image with fresh eyes. I do not always see the story they are trying to push on me. Plus,... Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead is one of the most well-known stories in the Gospels. Yet, for some reason, Matthew, Mark, and Luke don’t mention it. This head-scratching absence has raised a lot of doubts about its historicity. After all, this story seems too significant to leave out. As you can imagine, skeptics think John made it up. So why tell us what "YOU" think the people shown are thinking,... or saying,... or what it means.
The other synoptic gospels have the raising of the little girl and the youth. What stature does Jesus gain if John had made up the story of Lazarus? In the other two instances, the synoptic Gospels refer to the physical touch of Jesus while raising the dead. This was referred by the curator indirectly while talking about Michael Angelo's role in the painting. Probably, John felt that this aspect should receive attention . As for the sceptics, why point out synoptic Gospels? Matthew, in Chapter 28, records some of Jesus' disciples didn't believe that he had risen, despite worshipping him. The very presence of the risen Christ was too overwhelming for them. Why fault the modern sceptics?
'Jesus and that fairytale'... Is indeed the very reason we have the complexity of this masterpiece. It was the enormous support of the church / papal commissions that allowed these artistic creations period. Cannot separate the two AND truly understand the artist's messages
No way, Raphael is at least as great as Michelangelo, surely greater than Michelangelo as a painter. Michelangelo hated painting, he always considered himself a sculptor. That's why he helped Sebastiano versus Raphael, instead of painting himself. Just the frescos were acceptable for him, because it was a technic similar to the sculpture, in his opinion. But he never mastered the oil painting technique, which Raphael did. In fact, until the 19th century Raphael was much more admired, loved and imitated than Michelangelo, who was often seen as too bizarre and odd.
I guess I am a tougher critic on the curator's presentation than other viewers. First off, I'll say that I am grateful to the National Gallery for these presentations, and I greatly respect the knowledge of the presenters. I have watched approximately 15 of these informative sessions. But, there have been only 3 presenters of those I've watched who were at ease and fluid in their presentations. Susan Foister, Caroline Campbell and Colin Wiggins specifically. Mr./Dr. Wivel is not one of them. He, like many others, seems nervous, speaks haltingly and with broken sentences, and seems to struggle with respect to the direction of his remarks. Presumably he and the other curators speak at professional conferences and would be comfortable as presenters to 'tough' audiences. It seems that this would be an easier proposition.
It is a very good lecture even though Matthias seems to be a bit nervous. But I can relate to that. I'd be nervous too if I had to depict a painting by Sebastiano del Piombo. Well done Matthias!
I would just ask the National gallery to never stop doing this. For people from developing nations and not so well off for overseas vacations, these talks are like dreams only made possible by such great endeavors. Loved this one like all others. Can never have more of it.
These talks are such gems, the curators all have such a knack weaving art history, history and iconography together and bringing the paintings, artists and their time to life. The National Gallery is a national treasure!
Now that frame is a masterpiece in it's own right!
Excellent lecture by Matthias Wivel, fluent, and covering so many facets; of the painting's 'ups-and downs' it's brushwork and narrative, as well as snippets of the relationship between Sebastiano, Michelangelo and Raphael. I can't get to the NG now, but being able to key into these videos is brilliant. A big thanks. (UK)
Nobody even chuckled at his swoll Lazarus joke? I laughed
I did too.
So did I
A good contrast with Islam illustrated by this painting and its underlying story is how Jesus treated women. He taught them along with men and had personal relationships with them which were non-sexual. In Islam, Mohammed only taught them after they protested and demanded it. And then they were taught - but not mixed with men.
Please show more of the painting than the narrator. I didnt really see the painting upclose
This is often a problem with illustrated lectures, with a view of the speaker given more air time than the object/slide/map under discussion. Videographers take note!
Thumbs up for the narrator. Thank you Sir!
Great! Thanks 👍
Pls show the painting. more, narration and the painting should synchronise,the narrator is good,
I agree, and in fact express far more irritation. It is downright disappointing. I came to the point where it was an audio lecture while I did other things.
Thank you very much, NG & Mr Matthias Wivel. I always enjoy Mr Wivel’s lectures enormously!
Any reason you avoid lower case letters
@@dmmw125 Are you saying we should avoid capital letters in comments, texts etc etc etc? That wouldn't mean basically getting rid of capital letters period. Personally I'm impressed that he still use capitals.
Sigh...
Wivel is an outstanding lecturer. I have always learned so much from his illuminating account of great paintings.
at15:09, Giulio di Giuliano de' Medici (pope Clement VII) is not a nephew of the Leo X, they are cousins, they had the same paternal grandfather. Leo's father is Lorenzo the magnificent, older brother of Giuliano de' Medici (Clement's father).
Great talk, but the camera work needs to be much better coordinated to the speaker. Let us hear him, but see (up close!) the part of the painting he’s discussing.
As others have said, whilst it is interesting to listen to the curator, it helps to understand what he is saying if the camera fixes on the picture and not him. Showing mainly the curator, and the back of the audiance from the back of the room with the picture in the distance, completly negates the purpose of the video.
Could we maybe get a better look at the paintings and the specifics the curators talk about? This is a recurrent issue in nearly all lectures from the Nat Gallery
I love how he pronounces "Raphael".
I try to do it, but I can't
Magnificent talk. The idea behind these lectures is to visit the Gallery and see the painting. I can tell you it has made me want to go asap!
An exceptionally erudite presenter. Thoroughly enjoyable. Thank you 🙏
2:43 Um, not "sick to death". But terminally ill. (Laz could have been sick to death of many things).
Italian Renaissance art is impressive. The Catholic Church, the Italian city states, and the growing merchant class gave the impetus for these painters, sculptors, and architects to thrive.
This wonderful man made me feel so sorry to be old and probably will not be able to see this painting again. Anyhow I am grateful for his lectures so full of love and passion for art. Grazie.
Keep them in your heart x
Excellent lecture but I wish the camera was on the painting more than the lecturer. I was frustrated at certain points when he was describing some of the detail of the painting but the camera was directed at him and not the area of the painting he was discussing.
Okay but the surname is Del Piombo, not just Piombo.
I love this narration. I just wish the camera would pan over more frequently to the painting as he is describing it.
Nicely done Matthias, I learn so much from these talks and that frame is magnificent.
Wonderful. More more more please. You have made my week
The narrator is just as exquisite as the painting. It must match. Both narrator and the painting. But that's is just my opinion 🙏 If my sight was taken by God this narrator would allow me to see this painting in fullness of it all🙏🙏🙏🙏
One of the best presenters I've watched. Now to go find some Raphael and Michael Angelo talks
Show the painting please! Think about it.
Would have like to know about the frame. Is it original or later? Talk was okay, but too many digressions.
Thank you ! 30 minutes went by so fast and I feel so much more enlightened about this artist and the wonderful and convulated relationship among the artists !!
It is a shame that most of the time the camera focuses on the speaker and not (or very little) in the details that he speaks about.
It's time to drop this notion: that nothing can be removed from a painting without it falling apart: this is a fanciful, juvenile and sentimental conception - prove it if that's what you believe: photoshop out a figure in a Raphael painting and see if it 'falls apart'. This conception makes artists seem like those who have 'perfection' (balance in composition) and those who fail to reach this 'perfection'. It does nothing to educate the public.
Amen. Thank you for sharing. You explain this painting so well.
Dishy curator
I think that while the curator is describing the picture the camera should be on what he is describing and not on him.
Probably a classmate of Raphael.
Their style is very much the same.
I wish Mr Wivel's delivery we're a little less staccato and more relaxed. It is slightly distracting for me.
ditto
Yes, but it is clearly not his native language.
What's the largest painting in the National Gallery?
Guido Reni’s Nativity
👏👏👏 I would love if the filming would follow the curators speech. And see the things he talks about up close 😊
Wonderful presentation. 🖼
Awesome insights on Sebastiano amd Michelangelo's colaboration along with their rivalries with Raphael.
@nationalgallery i am trying to support by making a donation over your website, but it does not work... what can i do? loving these videos btw
I just love the character analysis of all these great men. What good fun!😊
Wrong, the Mary in Bethany and Mary Magdalene is the same person.
No two different marys
Excellent!!
What a powerful and impressive performance. Thank you.
Love it, love the initiative, but this one is a bit too "preachy" for me... 😖👋
Had to do a presentation on this work for an art history course once. Fascinating work
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🇹🇷😍🤗 Inanılmaz....!!!! 😯
Is it true that those types of frames were actually part of the structure?
How done people with now changht stay life.
An amazing painting with an interesting story. I saw this painting last year during a guided tour of the NG and it left quite an impression. 🙏
Brilliant presentation. Thanks 🙏
LOL 4:20 😂
Awesome!
grammatical correction: not 'it's brushwork' but 'its brushwork'. Old age. (UK)
I always marvel at how much "We" in the 21st century find it necessary to weave a full narrative around the image,... presuming so much,... and not letting us the viewer drink in the image with fresh eyes. I do not always see the story they are trying to push on me. Plus,... Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead is one of the most well-known stories in the Gospels. Yet, for some reason, Matthew, Mark, and Luke don’t mention it. This head-scratching absence has raised a lot of doubts about its historicity. After all, this story seems too significant to leave out. As you can imagine, skeptics think John made it up. So why tell us what "YOU" think the people shown are thinking,... or saying,... or what it means.
The other synoptic gospels have the raising of the little girl and the youth. What stature does Jesus gain if John had made up the story of Lazarus?
In the other two instances, the synoptic Gospels refer to the physical touch of Jesus while raising the dead. This was referred by the curator indirectly while talking about Michael Angelo's role in the painting. Probably, John felt that this aspect should receive attention .
As for the sceptics, why point out synoptic Gospels? Matthew, in Chapter 28, records some of Jesus' disciples didn't believe that he had risen, despite worshipping him. The very presence of the risen Christ was too overwhelming for them. Why fault the modern sceptics?
Thumbs up but I wanted to hear more about the painting, not about jesus and that fairytale
'Jesus and that fairytale'... Is indeed the very reason we have the complexity of this masterpiece. It was the enormous support of the church / papal commissions that allowed these artistic creations period. Cannot separate the two AND truly understand the artist's messages
I think hes had too much Coffee.
Raphael is by no means as gifted as Michelangelo. He is a lightweight by comparison.
No way, Raphael is at least as great as Michelangelo, surely greater than Michelangelo as a painter. Michelangelo hated painting, he always considered himself a sculptor. That's why he helped Sebastiano versus Raphael, instead of painting himself. Just the frescos were acceptable for him, because it was a technic similar to the sculpture, in his opinion. But he never mastered the oil painting technique, which Raphael did. In fact, until the 19th century Raphael was much more admired, loved and imitated than Michelangelo, who was often seen as too bizarre and odd.
I guess I am a tougher critic on the curator's presentation than other viewers. First off, I'll say that I am grateful to the National Gallery for these presentations, and I greatly respect the knowledge of the presenters. I have watched approximately 15 of these informative sessions.
But, there have been only 3 presenters of those I've watched who were at ease and fluid in their presentations. Susan Foister, Caroline Campbell and Colin Wiggins specifically. Mr./Dr. Wivel is not one of them. He, like many others, seems nervous, speaks haltingly and with broken sentences, and seems to struggle with respect to the direction of his remarks. Presumably he and the other curators speak at professional conferences and would be comfortable as presenters to 'tough' audiences. It seems that this would be an easier proposition.
Personally I found him very engaging but to each their own.
Where is Andrew Graham Dixon when you need him - this bloke is so dry and old school.
The story is spectacular but he is one of the worst speakers I have ever heard in a while. So hard to listen and follow in general.
I thought he was great; everybody's got a different point of view, though! :)
I love the painting style but hate the religious crap
It is a very good lecture even though Matthias seems to be a bit nervous. But I can relate to that. I'd be nervous too if I had to depict a painting by Sebastiano del Piombo. Well done Matthias!