I am working with Fusion since Eyeon days in 1999 and with After Effects since version 3 or 4! One thing that is super important is the workflow. Fusion have node based workflow, and working with nodes is way more cleaner that working on a layer hierarchy in After Effects. Adobe subscription + the ability to have a node based workflow made me move from After Effects to 100% fusion at least for my own needs.
I was initially overwhelmed the first time I tried DR and Fusion. I haven't used After Effects but have used HitFilm (an excellent product too), so I got used to layers. But now I have gotten back into DaVinci Resolve and really looked into Fusion and thanks to youtube channels like Casey Faris has, I now am a nodes fan. It's more elegant and intuitive, as you can see the flow of media and effects visually. I personally would have scored a win for DaVinci Resolve on that category.
@@technomikelyons Exactly my way. 15 years ago dabbled a bit with after effects. Found layers to be quite hard to keep overview with. A couple of years ago I got HitFilm. Fantastic product, brought me closer to layers. But then I dived into Davinci and it looked like the holy grail to me. Node based is so much easier to understand without taking a deep dive.
Can you suggest somebody that does teach fusion? I tried to find good content to try to learn it. I can't find many people that actually does know how things works there.
I replaced Maya, Substance Painter, Zbrush, Keyshot, and Marmoset with blender. I'm replacing AE, Premier with Davinci. Photoshop with krita. The world is changing
2:22 you actually don't have to buy Fusion standalone separately, when you buy Resolve studio, you can activate Fusion studio with the same key. You can import vector files like SVG btw but not illustrator files, but there's a plugin that you can use for that. Probably has to do with licensing. I mean BM added USD file support in Fusion so early because its open source but not AI files. Fusion also has guides and pixel snapping btw. Although there aren't as many plugins for Fusion as AE, I mean plugins are the reason why AE is alive, there are lot of plugins for Fusion like the reactor which is a free package manager for Fusion. If you are working with big projects then don't use the Fusion tab in Resolve, use the standalone version, it's a billion times faster than anything out there. I mean they were showcasing full production level comp running in real-time on GPU 10 years ago.
But is it possible to import it as "layers"? So for example if I design a logo in illustrator and save it as .ai file I can just import in to after effects and import layer bz layer so I can apply different effects to each thing. For example a logo with a background, the logo and a box where the logo is in it. In After Effects I could then let the box build up and apply some other effects on the logo. For sure not the best example but I think you get the point. Is this possible if I import a .svg to fusion?
@@JUMADOwhen you import .svg file into fusion, it automatically makes nodes which build up the logo. Those nodes are random and have default namings (aren’t copied from illustrator) so you have to rename them manually.
@@JUMADOfusion imports every layer as a polygon. So yeah the SVG is built from "layers"inside resolve. You can also work with PSD that are more simple but you have less control
In relation to price, I'm pretty sure if you have a Resolve Studio license, then you also have a Fusion Studio license. From my understanding, Resolve Studio includes Fusion Studio, Fusion Studio is also available as a standalone in case you only want to use Fusion Studio don't want the extra "bloat" included with Resolve Studio.
Fusion runs circles around AE with 3D animation compositing. It isn't even a contest, it's a slaughter. AE is less flexible, can't copy and paste between comps, no Ascii format support, corruption of files, reliance on paid plug-ins which eventually break or lose support, so many precomps, no ability to instance effects or layers beyond a 1-way expression relationship, issues with OCIO support, issues with Adobe's internal color management, always years late at supporting new industry standards, no ability to save and package layer + effects compositing like you can with Fusion's macros, no Linux support, you must redo position keyframes in AE when working with proxy vs full resolution footage since AE works in pixel values and not percentage values, and it cannot handle high resolution 32bpc comps well since it's internal frame buffer has severe limits. Fusion is faster that AE at processing 3D composites. It used to be 6x faster, now it is 40% faster as AE has gained better GPU support over the years. AE is good at 2D animation, text, and simple comps. That's all.
2D animation, text and simple comps are 90% of the real world “Motion Graphics” market, you like it or not. All hard work is done in 3D anyway. We all know AE is weak and Adobes are lazy but nor Motion neither Fusion are the solutions. Fusion was created with other tasks in mind, have no idea why Blackmagic pushing it towards Motion Graphics
@@yaroslavdriuchin6861 That's because Fusion has potential for motion graphics, I personally like working with nodes more than working by layers. I know that After Effects has the largest amount of resources, plugins, scripts, etc. But Fusion could also have that same potential, if it had a larger community. But I think that will happen over time, the important thing is that the tools to start are there.
@onelaststop Uhg, thank you so much for writing your comment. AE is so powerful, but can be so painful to work with. Not being able to copy and paste a pre-comp and modify the copied version, as if it were a new comp in-and-of-itself is so lame, and incredibly slow RAM previews makes AE a nightmare.
Need to say im just getting started and recently switched from FCPX to DaVinci. I tested Premiere but the Color Grading is worlds away from DaVinci and all in all I think I can work better with DaVinci (no the point I want to talk about) but as I do some Motion Graphics work for small clients and want to dig deeper in this field and also in the VFX field it gets really tricky with which software to use. After using Nodes on the color tab in DaVinci and watching some fusion videos I need to say that Nodes (for me) are far more simple and you get an better overview of what is happening BUT and here is the big but. The fact that you can design a Logo in Illustrator and simply import it to AE with each Layer separate this is just such a huge deal and also there is not really an alternative to Photoshop in terms of AI Features. So I guess I will do my editing and all the compositing and vfx work I will do in the future in DaVinci, as it uses nodes (like NUKE) and for Motion Graphics AE because of all the plugins and tutorials out there and also because its integrations.
At the beginning 0:50 you say that Fusion is not a standalone application, but that's not true because there are two versions, one integrated in Davinci Resolve, and a version with more features, just standalone. A 2:58 you say Fusion doesn't support vector files, but Fusion supports SVG files (aren't these vectors? If you load one you will see masks applied to the backgrounds. Now for 3D Fusion it also supports USD files. Also on the grids maybe you don't know how to activate them, there are also the TABs on the text. On layers or nodes, trying to change some programming by just jumping to a node operation is much more intuitive than understanding how the layers are connected. Surely After Effect enjoys templates and plugins that have been composed over many years, Fusion is young and cannot boast the same things. Surely Fusion is far from a complete software, it really has many things to fix especially the heaviness and the amount of memory.
I meant that I compare fusion that is part of DR, not stand-alone application. I'm saying about stand-alone in price section. I don't get it about grids. Where in text tab?
How can you say that Fusion doesn't support "vector files" when in the next sentence you say it supports SVGs? SVG is a vector file format, the standard one. The fact that AE refuses to import SVGs should have lost it the round.
I pointed on it. You can import SVG file, but it's a struggle. If you have detailed logo or illustration, you will spend a lot of working time to organize and set correct paint mode. It's ok if you have simple icon. AE doesn't support SVG and it's crazy
did you compere it to the studio version? caus that has better rendering times. the free version don't have support for GPU acceleration such as the paid version has.
Hei, since you have extensive experience with both softwares, I would like to ask something. I find it very slow for AE to work with EXR and cryptomatte layers. Is it the same experience with Fusion too?
Fusion has been around longer than AE and has been used in 1000s of movies and TV shows for proper VFX compositing unlike AE, it's almost like Fusion is built for stuffs like this while working with multipass exr files in AE makes me wanna kill myself.
Thanks for this interesting comparison - but I actually prefer DR Fusion, I'm just well accustomed to Fuison. 'After Effects' just looks a bit much chaotic to me and is, of course, fairly expensive as you have to use it together with 'Premiere Pro' - so no alternative for me. I stay with DaVinci Resolve having that many other features (Color Grading, Fairlight etc.) apart from Fusion which is a fantastic deal when using the Studio Version.
Maybe I am wrong, but I think that Fusion free can import svg files (vector). At least Studio can. And a great news is that on 18.5 we can import usd files.
It's always weird when I hear people say that layers are harder to use than nodes. Layers are simple enough to understand and get used to but I look at nodes and I have no idea what I'm looking at. It's like trying to read a language I've never seen. If After Effects didn't require a subscription that would be my obvious choice.
If you're working on small projects with 10-12 layers that's fine on ae. Working bigger comp is much cleaner in non destructive methods like nuke and fusion.
Layers are 1D. It's good for what was invented - putting things on top of eachother. But with more complex situations it's a mess. That's why AE UI is a so inconsistent, because you need to find workarounds and hacks to compensate. You end up with weird linking layers, crazy groups, attributes, specific orders etc. So it's getting messy and overcomplex to keep "simplicity" of layers. Nodes are 2D and give much more consistency, clarity and flexibility. It's look more complex, but it's the right tool for doing complex things and it's actually easier. It's like shooting raw vs jpg. Jpg is easy, but when you try to do something you need to work hard for workarounds and basic things like white balance, shadows etc. Raw can look more complex, but it's actually much more versitale and easier, you don't need to worry about wb becosue you can change it.
Until they make Fusion easier to work with, no way in hell I'm giving up on after effects... it's seriously one of the best software out there (rest of Adobe is terrible in comparison). Where in AE making typography, shapes and motion graphics is intuitive and easy to grasp, I had to close the software because I got so frustrated with simple things... Keyframing is annoying, the shapes transformations is terrible... really no idea why they made it so overly complex
they might be after the vfx market not motion graphic and vector animation. i too wont let go of AE its too useful. photoshop was nice for photo, though i rather use clip studio for illustration and traditional animation. premiere could burn and die, i swear its the most frustrating program out there.
You are very biased towards AE just because you know this software better. Saying that you can't import "vector files" is just not true. SVG literally stands for scalable vector graphics and .ai is format only used by Adobe software.
One should really compare against the standalone version of Fusion as it's more full-featured and runs without the overhead of the davinci. If you have the dongle for davinci, it runs Fusion standalone.
Nodes are WAY more intuitive to me. I can see at a glance what is going on, whereas with layers it's much more difficult for me to get a handle on complex projects.
АЕ is better for vector nimated stuff, better integration with illustrator. Fusion is good with compositing and I love it, but I got faster final results with AE .
some people compare Davinci to nuke... I do not feel like learning premiere and After effect... since Davinci and fusion are linked to gether i hit both with one ball.
That felt rigged. You say Fusion doesn't support vector but it's the program that takes svg and AE doesn't? Point for Fusion. You say stability is equal...which might be true, but Fusion saves at your last input and throws you right back in the workflow whereas when AE crashes and you didn't save, you're fucked. Point for Fusion. Also you compared render times with the free version of DR, which doesn't support GPU acceleration. I'd say it's at least tied if not faster in Fusion. Also BIG point: Color Science, which ist simply wrong in AE.
All the points AE scored are not a "NEED" in fusion. you dont need those plugins in fusion...fusion has almost everything you need to create those effects from AE plugins. So Fusion wins. easy to use. UI well organized. SVG, PSD import supported. Fusion works out of the box! Winner Fusion
@@rano12321 just be honest and say it out loud how much cost open a 3d model inside AE. how much you paid for "plugins and scripts" like the trapcode one you show. just do that. how about tell us what you think about reactor... you're too far behing this game, too few paid jobs, too few hours labor intense, too few pcs or macs in your little bubble. just go back to adobeland and leave us alone. and if you dont want attrac demmons like me , dont dress up like a wicht, putting in your video tittle such a hot topic. have a nice day
Lmao what? he is just showing a simple comparison, there is no matter of age in this video, rather the points he mentions, the video was phenominally well made too. it missed minor points otherwise, its a very well informative video that shows the concept and the debate against the two softwares, with both pros and cons of each.
I am working with Fusion since Eyeon days in 1999 and with After Effects since version 3 or 4! One thing that is super important is the workflow. Fusion have node based workflow, and working with nodes is way more cleaner that working on a layer hierarchy in After Effects. Adobe subscription + the ability to have a node based workflow made me move from After Effects to 100% fusion at least for my own needs.
I was initially overwhelmed the first time I tried DR and Fusion. I haven't used After Effects but have used HitFilm (an excellent product too), so I got used to layers. But now I have gotten back into DaVinci Resolve and really looked into Fusion and thanks to youtube channels like Casey Faris has, I now am a nodes fan. It's more elegant and intuitive, as you can see the flow of media and effects visually. I personally would have scored a win for DaVinci Resolve on that category.
@@technomikelyons Exactly my way. 15 years ago dabbled a bit with after effects. Found layers to be quite hard to keep overview with.
A couple of years ago I got HitFilm. Fantastic product, brought me closer to layers. But then I dived into Davinci and it looked like the holy grail to me. Node based is so much easier to understand without taking a deep dive.
Can you suggest somebody that does teach fusion? I tried to find good content to try to learn it. I can't find many people that actually does know how things works there.
I replaced Maya, Substance Painter, Zbrush, Keyshot, and Marmoset with blender. I'm replacing AE, Premier with Davinci. Photoshop with krita. The world is changing
May the force be with you…😊
Im also mobile to Krita
Affinity Photo/Designer
@@AlmiranteLobo I used Gimp, but nowadays, using Affinity photo and I am very much satisfied.
2:22 you actually don't have to buy Fusion standalone separately, when you buy Resolve studio, you can activate Fusion studio with the same key.
You can import vector files like SVG btw but not illustrator files, but there's a plugin that you can use for that. Probably has to do with licensing. I mean BM added USD file support in Fusion so early because its open source but not AI files.
Fusion also has guides and pixel snapping btw.
Although there aren't as many plugins for Fusion as AE, I mean plugins are the reason why AE is alive, there are lot of plugins for Fusion like the reactor which is a free package manager for Fusion.
If you are working with big projects then don't use the Fusion tab in Resolve, use the standalone version, it's a billion times faster than anything out there. I mean they were showcasing full production level comp running in real-time on GPU 10 years ago.
how do you get the standalone version of fusion?
02:52 fusion can read vector format, simply.. just convert your vector file (ie: ai, cdr, eps) into .svg format.
But is it possible to import it as "layers"? So for example if I design a logo in illustrator and save it as .ai file I can just import in to after effects and import layer bz layer so I can apply different effects to each thing. For example a logo with a background, the logo and a box where the logo is in it. In After Effects I could then let the box build up and apply some other effects on the logo. For sure not the best example but I think you get the point. Is this possible if I import a .svg to fusion?
@@JUMADOwhen you import .svg file into fusion, it automatically makes nodes which build up the logo. Those nodes are random and have default namings (aren’t copied from illustrator) so you have to rename them manually.
@@JUMADOfusion imports every layer as a polygon. So yeah the SVG is built from "layers"inside resolve.
You can also work with PSD that are more simple but you have less control
In relation to price, I'm pretty sure if you have a Resolve Studio license, then you also have a Fusion Studio license. From my understanding, Resolve Studio includes Fusion Studio, Fusion Studio is also available as a standalone in case you only want to use Fusion Studio don't want the extra "bloat" included with Resolve Studio.
I got Davinci Resolve Studio recently, and I can... indeed... confirm that's true!
Fusion runs circles around AE with 3D animation compositing. It isn't even a contest, it's a slaughter. AE is less flexible, can't copy and paste between comps, no Ascii format support, corruption of files, reliance on paid plug-ins which eventually break or lose support, so many precomps, no ability to instance effects or layers beyond a 1-way expression relationship, issues with OCIO support, issues with Adobe's internal color management, always years late at supporting new industry standards, no ability to save and package layer + effects compositing like you can with Fusion's macros, no Linux support, you must redo position keyframes in AE when working with proxy vs full resolution footage since AE works in pixel values and not percentage values, and it cannot handle high resolution 32bpc comps well since it's internal frame buffer has severe limits. Fusion is faster that AE at processing 3D composites. It used to be 6x faster, now it is 40% faster as AE has gained better GPU support over the years. AE is good at 2D animation, text, and simple comps. That's all.
2D animation, text and simple comps are 90% of the real world “Motion Graphics” market, you like it or not. All hard work is done in 3D anyway. We all know AE is weak and Adobes are lazy but nor Motion neither Fusion are the solutions. Fusion was created with other tasks in mind, have no idea why Blackmagic pushing it towards Motion Graphics
@@yaroslavdriuchin6861 That's because Fusion has potential for motion graphics, I personally like working with nodes more than working by layers. I know that After Effects has the largest amount of resources, plugins, scripts, etc. But Fusion could also have that same potential, if it had a larger community. But I think that will happen over time, the important thing is that the tools to start are there.
Man you should make a video 📷 about, I like the way how to compared. You very skilled 💪
@onelaststop Uhg, thank you so much for writing your comment. AE is so powerful, but can be so painful to work with.
Not being able to copy and paste a pre-comp and modify the copied version, as if it were a new comp in-and-of-itself is so lame, and incredibly slow RAM previews makes AE a nightmare.
Need to say im just getting started and recently switched from FCPX to DaVinci. I tested Premiere but the Color Grading is worlds away from DaVinci and all in all I think I can work better with DaVinci (no the point I want to talk about) but as I do some Motion Graphics work for small clients and want to dig deeper in this field and also in the VFX field it gets really tricky with which software to use. After using Nodes on the color tab in DaVinci and watching some fusion videos I need to say that Nodes (for me) are far more simple and you get an better overview of what is happening BUT and here is the big but. The fact that you can design a Logo in Illustrator and simply import it to AE with each Layer separate this is just such a huge deal and also there is not really an alternative to Photoshop in terms of AI Features. So I guess I will do my editing and all the compositing and vfx work I will do in the future in DaVinci, as it uses nodes (like NUKE) and for Motion Graphics AE because of all the plugins and tutorials out there and also because its integrations.
At the beginning 0:50 you say that Fusion is not a standalone application, but that's not true because there are two versions, one integrated in Davinci Resolve, and a version with more features, just standalone. A 2:58 you say Fusion doesn't support vector files, but Fusion supports SVG files (aren't these vectors? If you load one you will see masks applied to the backgrounds. Now for 3D Fusion it also supports USD files. Also on the grids maybe you don't know how to activate them, there are also the TABs on the text. On layers or nodes, trying to change some programming by just jumping to a node operation is much more intuitive than understanding how the layers are connected. Surely After Effect enjoys templates and plugins that have been composed over many years, Fusion is young and cannot boast the same things. Surely Fusion is far from a complete software, it really has many things to fix especially the heaviness and the amount of memory.
I meant that I compare fusion that is part of DR, not stand-alone application. I'm saying about stand-alone in price section. I don't get it about grids. Where in text tab?
@@yurafresh3462 Yes, there are TABs on the text to place the characters in columns
How can you say that Fusion doesn't support "vector files" when in the next sentence you say it supports SVGs? SVG is a vector file format, the standard one. The fact that AE refuses to import SVGs should have lost it the round.
I pointed on it. You can import SVG file, but it's a struggle. If you have detailed logo or illustration, you will spend a lot of working time to organize and set correct paint mode. It's ok if you have simple icon. AE doesn't support SVG and it's crazy
did you compere it to the studio version? caus that has better rendering times. the free version don't have support for GPU acceleration such as the paid version has.
No I didn't. I do not use Fusion all the time, only for compositing and small tasks. All I need, I have in DR version
@@yurafresh3462 aight
can you go a little more in depth with the fusion, for the macros?
fair comparison, cheers
is davinci or or AE faster for creating graphics (like the amount of human time you put in)
Any plans to review Left Angle Autograph?
Hei, since you have extensive experience with both softwares, I would like to ask something. I find it very slow for AE to work with EXR and cryptomatte layers. Is it the same experience with Fusion too?
Fusion has been around longer than AE and has been used in 1000s of movies and TV shows for proper VFX compositing unlike AE, it's almost like Fusion is built for stuffs like this while working with multipass exr files in AE makes me wanna kill myself.
Thanks for this interesting comparison - but I actually prefer DR Fusion, I'm just well accustomed to Fuison. 'After Effects' just looks a bit much chaotic to me and is, of course, fairly expensive as you have to use it together with 'Premiere Pro' - so no alternative for me. I stay with DaVinci Resolve having that many other features (Color Grading, Fairlight etc.) apart from Fusion which is a fantastic deal when using the Studio Version.
Maybe I am wrong, but I think that Fusion free can import svg files (vector). At least Studio can. And a great news is that on 18.5 we can import usd files.
Yeah, you can import SVG, but AI, EPS can't 🥲
@@yurafresh3462 enough of the adobe ecosystem
Very helpful. Thanks!
It's always weird when I hear people say that layers are harder to use than nodes. Layers are simple enough to understand and get used to but I look at nodes and I have no idea what I'm looking at. It's like trying to read a language I've never seen.
If After Effects didn't require a subscription that would be my obvious choice.
If you're working on small projects with 10-12 layers that's fine on ae. Working bigger comp is much cleaner in non destructive methods like nuke and fusion.
Layers are 1D. It's good for what was invented - putting things on top of eachother. But with more complex situations it's a mess. That's why AE UI is a so inconsistent, because you need to find workarounds and hacks to compensate. You end up with weird linking layers, crazy groups, attributes, specific orders etc. So it's getting messy and overcomplex to keep "simplicity" of layers.
Nodes are 2D and give much more consistency, clarity and flexibility. It's look more complex, but it's the right tool for doing complex things and it's actually easier.
It's like shooting raw vs jpg. Jpg is easy, but when you try to do something you need to work hard for workarounds and basic things like white balance, shadows etc. Raw can look more complex, but it's actually much more versitale and easier, you don't need to worry about wb becosue you can change it.
You can also try Left Angle Autograph. Pretty similar workflow, free version with watermark to test out features
Until they make Fusion easier to work with, no way in hell I'm giving up on after effects... it's seriously one of the best software out there (rest of Adobe is terrible in comparison). Where in AE making typography, shapes and motion graphics is intuitive and easy to grasp, I had to close the software because I got so frustrated with simple things... Keyframing is annoying, the shapes transformations is terrible... really no idea why they made it so overly complex
Agree with key framing, not sure why they didn't just get inspiration from premiere/after effects on that part...
they might be after the vfx market not motion graphic and vector animation.
i too wont let go of AE its too useful. photoshop was nice for photo, though i rather use clip studio for illustration and traditional animation. premiere could burn and die, i swear its the most frustrating program out there.
@@Ben-fq1lj like what do you dislike about keyframes in fusion?
You are very biased towards AE just because you know this software better. Saying that you can't import "vector files" is just not true. SVG literally stands for scalable vector graphics and .ai is format only used by Adobe software.
SVG is vector file.
One should really compare against the standalone version of Fusion as it's more full-featured and runs without the overhead of the davinci. If you have the dongle for davinci, it runs Fusion standalone.
Nodes are WAY more intuitive to me. I can see at a glance what is going on, whereas with layers it's much more difficult for me to get a handle on complex projects.
I'm here to learn fusion for motion graphics
Me too
it may be confusing to u at first because it's a node-based workflow, but I'm pretty sure it'll more interesting afterwards
If you are AE user, make sure you checked my Fusion tutorial for AE users: th-cam.com/video/cuGtHb3xv6Q/w-d-xo.html
same here
I love your review!!
АЕ is better for vector nimated stuff, better integration with illustrator. Fusion is good with compositing and I love it, but I got faster final results with AE .
some people compare Davinci to nuke... I do not feel like learning premiere and After effect... since Davinci and fusion are linked to gether i hit both with one ball.
Great video! Exactly what I was looking for, thank you!
bro davinci resolve is not insert many file for me davinci is bad
SVG is Vector file
Great video. Thanks for your opinion!
That felt rigged. You say Fusion doesn't support vector but it's the program that takes svg and AE doesn't? Point for Fusion. You say stability is equal...which might be true, but Fusion saves at your last input and throws you right back in the workflow whereas when AE crashes and you didn't save, you're fucked. Point for Fusion. Also you compared render times with the free version of DR, which doesn't support GPU acceleration. I'd say it's at least tied if not faster in Fusion. Also BIG point: Color Science, which ist simply wrong in AE.
I love your way of reviewing! keep it up
All the points AE scored are not a "NEED" in fusion. you dont need those plugins in fusion...fusion has almost everything you need to create those effects from AE plugins. So Fusion wins. easy to use. UI well organized. SVG, PSD import supported. Fusion works out of the box! Winner Fusion
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
agreed
After effects is best
Действительно так лучше чем на лядской мове
Jake Paul vs
yall just like ae cuz you don't know how nodes work
you are too young to make this kind of statment
ok grandpa
@@rano12321 just be honest and say it out loud how much cost open a 3d model inside AE. how much you paid for "plugins and scripts" like the trapcode one you show. just do that.
how about tell us what you think about reactor...
you're too far behing this game, too few paid jobs, too few hours labor intense, too few pcs or macs in your little bubble. just go back to adobeland and leave us alone. and if you dont want attrac demmons like me , dont dress up like a wicht, putting in your video tittle such a hot topic. have a nice day
Lmao what? he is just showing a simple comparison, there is no matter of age in this video, rather the points he mentions, the video was phenominally well made too. it missed minor points otherwise, its a very well informative video that shows the concept and the debate against the two softwares, with both pros and cons of each.
HAHAHAHA what am I reading man
Lmao