The Shocking Reason You Should Always Avoid Half Helmets!
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Here's the full face helmet test video th-cam.com/video/iJ14v6IfPDE/w-d-xo.html
From the Harley-Davidson web site: "One of the most important types of motorcycle gear to wear while spending time on the open road is a helmet. Harley-Davidson's motorcycle half helmets are constructed to offer the protection riders need in different types of settings and can contribute to any type of motorcycle look." I guess for Harley the "look" is more important than the riders brains.
hahahhaaha
Wearing a half helmet is to create the illusion of safety but it offers almost no protection
@MotoJitsu allow me to chime in hahahaha
If you only care about looks, then you don't have any brains to protect 😂
It's about whatever they want to think or not think isn't freedom great?
Great idea! Now show what a full face helmet will do with the other dummy head. Hopefully, it is fully protected and you can use it again.
The dummy head probably could be used again yes not the helmet
@@MotoJitsu it would be a fun idea to use a full face helmet for the other dummy and show the difference.
With my luck, I'd be the guy in my car coming from the opposite direction of this experiment. 2:25
I found a brand new full face helmet that's DOT and ECE certified online I just bought and will use to make a new video
@@MotoJitsuthis will be fun to watch!
As a new rider, I was thinking about adding a half helmet to my collection but after seeing this...I WILL NEVER RIDE WITH A HALF HELMET!! Thanks for this valuable lesson 😬😱🤯
Me too!!!!!!!😨
Wise choice.
Scary thing to me is less the potential for fatal injury, more the kind of injuries you might survive with this.
The reason I always wear a full face helmet is I shudder at the thought of landing chin first at speed and having my lower jaw literally torn off my face.
The only time I fall from my motorcycle I dragged the chin part of the helmet a lot, It's the part that get hit the most
From what I understand, DOT basically means nothing... It's essentially the honor system. The manufacturer claims that the helmet meets the standards, but there is no enforcement of testing, whereas Snell and ECE helmets actually have to be tested, and pass, to be certified. If anyone knows better, please correct me.
Side note, I had a large bird hit me in the face at 70MPH. Was very glad to have a full face helmet on that ride :P
Turkeys, geese and vultures where I ride. They pucker me up as much as cagers, deer, and dogs. I also always wear a full face helmet.
basic physics: p=mv (momentum = mass multiplied by velocity). In a real-life scenario, the thing attached to your head (rest of the body) would be factored in as part of the mass, thereby drastically increasing momentum (and damage). Assuming you hit headfirst, the impact would be way WAY worse IRL... regardless, it’s insane how badly busted it got with just the weight of the head behind it. And could you imaging if it had hit a comparably heavier item (with less give), say idk, a truck bed (or worse)?! If this doesn’t underscore the importance of practising and improving your riding skill & wearing quality gear, I doubt anything else would. Stay safe y’all!
And momentum is proportional to velocity, i.e. if the speed doubles, the momentum doubles.
Kinetic energy, on the other hand, is not. If the velocity doubles, the kinetic energy increases FOUR times.
And, if one should ever feel that one's full face Shoei is making one complacent, one should consider that there is no helmet in the world which can prevent one's brain turning to pulp as it smashes against the inside of one's skull...
Ride safe. Train with your mind.
A successful ride is one where we ride ourselves home - preferably on the same bike we set out on!
Well, one other thing to highlight is that there was a lot of damage at the lower back, which is where your brain stem is. That's for basic life functions, so if that gets wrecked, it's game over. Doesn't even matter what happens to the front of your face at that point.
I'd say it's a feature. Knowing that I'd probably lose my whole face and my eyes with it and maybe get paralysed to some degree I'd rather just die.
Moral of the story - Dot half helmet can survive a crash... its just your head that won't
I had a friend who used one of these goofy lids. Every time he put it on I said “soup for lunch?”
A couple of decades ago, I came off the bike at 40 MPH. Long story so I’ll skip the details. The nurse told me I wouldn’t have walked out of the hospital if I hadn’t been wearing a full face helmet.
A friend died within hours of doing a face plant into cinder wearing a ½ helmet.
You decide.
Sorry for your friend. Half helmets are nearly no helmets.
Last year I had a relatively minor fall. I was going maybe 20MPH.
I never felt my heat touch the ground. Yet I had a lot of scrapes on the front visor.
If I had not been wearing a full face helmet, I would have messed up the money maker for sure.
💯 I use to wear 3/4 helmet. Then I took my riding course. My instructor explained what happens to the chin and other parts of your head. He recommended Shoei. That’s what I got. Ride safe.
Hmmm. I'm an instructor. I'm in the UK, so milage may differ. My role is to give information about the benefits and risks associated with each type of helmet. It is not to influence one way or another and I would never recommend a brand as each brand has differing shell sizes and shapes, so what fits one, may not fit another. Again, this must be a personal choice. My role is merely to give people the information they need to make that informed choice. As I said in an earlier comment elsewhere on this discussion - there is no right or wrong answer. Personally, I like the 3/4 helmets as they give greater peripheral vision. I'm prepared to make this trade against the 4% risk of a facial injury. But you may not.
To each their own. At the end of the day it’s your head. Very happy I was give a recommendation as if I was his own daughter getting on a bike. I asked for an honest opinion and that’s what I got.
@@amandadominguez5698 Yes, of course, it's your head and if you are happy with your choice, then that's good. It's just that I would *never* make a specific recommendation regarding type or manufacturer as that would be inappropriate of me to do so. When asked for an honest opinion, I advise students to go to a shop and try on as many helmets as possible to find the best fit.
@markellott5620 At least in the US, a full-face DOT approved helmet has 210 degrees of visibility. Humans only have about 180 degrees of total vision. No vision is lost wearing a full face helmet unless you're an alien. Have fun riding out there and thanks for training other riders.
@TS-di5zw it's the loss of forward peripheral vision I notice, rather than off to the side. As I've mentioned elsewhere, it's all about preference.
I was ready to buy an open helmet, then I saw some youtube videos with this type of content and I completely change my mind. 👏👏👏👏👏👏
When i got back into riding after years without a bike, i was resewrching helmets and ran across very graphic images of a guy who had been wearing a half helmet and went dowm doing 60mph.... his entire jaw was gone. It had been torn off in the crash.
Fulk face and ECE rated for me thanks
5:22 Schwarzenegger makes a guest appearance lol. Great video, gruesome illustration!
I always always recommend this channel to new riders. I always tell them that It'll save their lives. I stand corrected.
I believe that’s why Thai orthodontists and dentists are so proficient. Even the ones with private practices generally work quotas in the state hospitals. Everyone rides scooters with bare minimum helmets that would fail compliance elsewhere, and their road accident rate per-capita is the second highest in the world.
So they’ve had plenty of experience. Just my theory and I could be wrong.
full face for everyone!!!!!
I quit my open-face helmets after a bird strike to the shoulder at somewhere north of 80mph. It felt like a baseball bat and left bruises lasting a week. Also induced a serious speed wobble.
Great instructional video mate. All riders need this.
Old adage - if you have a $10 head, get a $10 dollar helmet.
I notice a GoPro mount on top of the skid lid. That's all these are good for, a camera mount for generally non-hazardous activities.
I still have one of these from my not-very -smart days, and that's what I keep it for.
Thanks for this. From the very first MSF Beginner class I took nearly 40 years ago, the video I remember most is the one they did about helmets. The video used a watermelon to show what would to a head suffering an impact of 3 miles per hour falling from a motorcycle with no helmet, then another watermelon with a 3/4 helmet, that watermelon survived.
My brother is a surgeon and he once showed me a picture of a biker who crashed with such a helmet.
The biker was conscious at the time the doctors took the picture.
All the skin below the eyes was gone. His nose looked like your dummy and his lower jaw was hanging only held by lumps of skin and muscles…
Great job, moto you the man
This time you nailed it man..😊 Thanks for this great content
Always awesome Greg 😎🔥💯
This is real. I live and ride in Thailand that has the highest motorcycle death rate globally. 90% die from head and face injuries and nearly all of those have either no helmet or a cheap plastic half or 3/4 lid. I’ve ridden up on at least 2 dozen deaths and saw the same types of helmet still on their head with crazy head and face injuries. By far the best video you’ve put out, good wake up call.
I've used those plastic skid lids in the Philippines. The reason the death rate is so high is because they can't drive and try to over take traffic on narrow roads. You wanna see real crazy driving go to Kuwait.
You couldn’t have done that throw any better! Well done.
The first drive by with a skull I’ve seen, spot on😂
I am starting to rethink my modular.
Why? Is your modular a full face?
I wouldn't. It will be fine if it is ECE 22.05 or 06 tested as a full face - look for the P on the label. If it has a J then it's been tested as a 3/4 if it has both, it's been tested for both.
As per Mark's comment: just make sure it P/J homologated. If it is then it is a full face helmet (when clicked down obviously)
That just leaves you with the choice of if it's worth the risk of flipping it up whilst riding at low speeds or stopped at the lights etc.
God bless you. You are one of the very few voices of reason on motorcycle safety. Keep them coming. You are helping save lives!
I appreciate that!
Great videos, congratulations for creating those. Very informational showing in details the difference. I guess it can't be denied that a full face helmet will ALWAYS provide way more protection. At the end of the day it will always depend on what anyone is willing to compromise in terms of being safe vs being comfortable/convenient. Can't deny that an open/half-helmet is more convenient and comfortable to wear vs can't deny that a full face is more secure. cheers.
Cool demo. A high speed camera catching the action would have been icing in the cake! Torque Test channel is down in the San Diego area i believe and has one. Maybe a cool collab for your other head?
I wondered what the half helm was for... great demo.
I'm convinced. Been riding in Philippines with open-faced helmet for many years. Speeds are slow, no more than 90kph so should be okay. Will buy full-face helmet before starting the bike again. Thanks for the safety lesson.
Thank you for this video, was considering another kind of half helmet with a chin strap.Not anymore.
The one thing I would personally compromise is the feet. I wear motorcycle specific hi top trainers because I go food shopping, go to work and go to meetings aswell as running errands around town on the bike and people dont know they are motorcycle boots. It just doesnt make sense to wear full race boots for what im doing. They are really uncomfortable, stiff and harder to control the bike. But this is cool vid really interesting.
There are plenty of fashionable riding boots on the market these days that will give you both reasonable foot and ankle protection while being comfortable to wear off the bike.
I feel like I’m watching myth busters haha! So awesome!
What's even crazier is that the dummy head hit a fairly light object that absorbed a lot of the impact. Imagine the head against a parked car or utility pole. Yikes!
That half helmet is good just to walk in the woods . Very instructive video thank you
Thank for that . Its fairly grafic as to what happnes if u crash head first.
Would u try the other head in a full face helmet to same tool box
that's next
I wear 3/4 or modular helmets. We have the ECE 22.06 standard in the UK, which is higher than the DOT standard. In fact, if students turn up with a DOT only lid, we put them in one of ours. As for the choice between types, it's a trade off. People tend to worry about facial injuries, however, the likelihood of a facial injury is around 4% of all head injuries as the helmet is most likely to slide rather than faceplant the tarmac, so you pay your money, you take your pick. Personally, I'll take the 4% risk in favour of day to day practicality and all round better vision - especially when training. As I say, do what works for you - there is no right or wrong answer here. Be aware of the risks and benefits and make an informed choice. Personally, I don't like full face helmets and don't wear one. The modular helmet will give me the weather protection I need when I want it. During the summer months and riding off road, I'll take the 3/4 helmet.
Great visuals on this test. Possibly a test for the other dummy head and helmet would be how it does when hit by a rock or other object when at speed. This can easily happen if you are following a dump truck or tandem trailer that just picked up a load of gravel and is flying down the highway.
Great video I'm glad I own a full face helmet even though my friends told me its going to be very hot in the summer if you wear fullface
I have been pushing for years for law enforcement to move away from those style helmets. Nowadays with modulars they shouldn't be using them anymore
I understand 3/4 for motorcops but not half helmets
Well done for showing this..let's just hope it helps save lives if people see this and tell their half helmet mates.
thanks! share it
Full face always. I just got into a accident with my husband and my helmet saved me. My entire face shield was so damaged. I hit my head and slide.
I crashed last year at 40mph. Landed on my shoulder and slid on my face. Even my relatively cheap Sedici Strada made an enormous difference. Still had to be replaced and had some damage in the inside hard foam stuff, and that was without a direct hit
As someone who owns a Harley in a state that doesn’t don’t require endorsed riders over 18 to wear a helmet at all I always wear a dot/ece rated full helmet every time I ride for this reason.
Need to do same test with full face so we can see if the full face is really more protective I would like to see the difference I do wear a full face and modular helmet but never half helmet
I love this. As a comparison with the skull cap, why not use a full-face helmet with your other head? Maybe with a base Shoei SR RF, just to show how much more protection you get from a base model full-face.
I could....not ready to destroy my helmet doing it though because it'll be done after I do it
@@MotoJitsu I have an old Shoei SR RF if you want to use it.
I found a brand new full face helmet that's DOT and ECE certified online I just bought and will use to make a new video
@@MotoJitsu Awesome!
Could you please repeat this test with ece22.06 certified helmet? I think its important to show what exactly will be saved, and what damage is unavoidable
full face is next
Talk to us about modular helmets; I have a good modular, and a full face. I wear the modular a lot on dirt and singletrack (sometimes on asphalt, too).
talk to you about it?
That is a novelty helmet with a faux DOT. Daytona makes good DOT half helmets but your right ultimate protection is def a fullface for sure.
"good half helmet" is an oxymoron
Well it depends what the objective is right? If you just want to look like an 80s dude-bro it's good. If you want to live, it's bad. xD @@MotoJitsu
Anything DOT only is junk. Anything half helmet is junk
@@stevesmith756 My Shoei GT-Air is DOT only. (I don’t think they pay for the extra cents in the U.S.)
Certs
Compare a full faced helmet. Prove your claim. I fully agree with you about it too. Just wanted to see the difference
That’s the next video
I used to wear those, when I decided to switch to a full face, second time I wore it I had my first and only crash and the front of the helmet impacted a curb. I would not be here if I was still wearing that useless bucket. I will NEVER ride without a full face helmet again
Thank you 🤠😎
I used to wear a half helmet. After working in Auto insurance and seeing a bunch of half helmet/no helmet accidents, I immediately switched to a modular helmet.
In Spain these are called “quitamultas” for a reason (meaning “fineavoiders” or something similar in english)
I had his interesting conversation with a security guard where he had 5 stitches to his chin after a low speed crash. everything was ok except for his chin. He bought a full face helmet right after getting his Christmas bonus
Years ago, I knew of a man who hit a car that pulled out in front of him. T-boned the car. His lower jaw impacted the side mirror, and was stuck on the mirror. He survived, but you can imagine the recovery.
Have worn full hemet ever since.
Damn...full face no matter what :) instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
doing the test with a full face helmet as well would be nice. Showing how much less damage.
I found a brand new full face helmet that's DOT and ECE certified online I just bought and will use to make a new video to show the difference :)
I have ONE more dummy head...what should I do with it?
Put an Open Face Helmet with face shield on it and do the same test! But I’m sure the consensus will be for a full face or modular helmet. 👍
Same experiment with a full face helmet with the proper certifications.
Same test with full face helmet
Same with a full helmet
Full face helmet test, for comparisson
Having worked in Radiology for almost 40 years I have seen the results first hand of the damage from no helmet vs half helmet vs full face and I can tell you with certainty that the first two aren't pretty! If the victim survives they typically endure months or years of reconstructive surgeries, depending on the extent of damage to the facial bones. Also, wear your seat belts while driving, it does a body good.
With the other one do the same with a good quality full face helmet please!!😉
Yes, would love to see that!
I saw a drunk guy on a 50cc moped doing about 20-25km/h with half helmet like this. He lost control and went in head first.
There no meat left on his nose at all in fact his nose was gone and his chin was gone. He was wearing glasses and they had pushed all the meat and skin from his nose up in his forehead.
It was really surreal because the guy was going so slow and I honestly didn’t think anything happened to him until I saw him. I will never forget that and I will never use a half helmet or ride with my Shoei Neotec open.
Looks like the half helmet is little better then a bump cap for confined space work.
I spent about $800 for an arai. Money well spent.
Could you recommend some helmets with different foam inserts for more custom fit? For whatever reason my scalp loves to grow cysts when i wear restrictive head gear like hard hats, even tight ball hats. The treatment is a few dozen cortisone shots into the scalp which feels as awesome as it sounds. Thus, i typically wear a half shell.
I'm in the market for a quality full face with some internal adjustment. I remember seeing someone review one, but can't remember who or the damn company. If anyone has suggestions I'd appreciate it.
Many helmets have switchable padding to make it fit better around your head.
Cysts are typically skin infections caused by bacteria normally growing on your skin. You can take steps to reduce their likelihood through such measures as - extra cleanliness - i.e. wash your hair before and after riding. Wash your helmet liner and padding periodically, especially after long rides where sweat has coated it. Wear a barrier between your hair and the liner, like a do-rag of some type. This also serves to minimize skin abrasion on the scalp. If cysts are still an issue, speak to your doctor/dermatologist if there's some topical shampoo or antiseptic skin cream to prevent the growth of cysts.
@@garymaclean6903 appreciated brother. I do basically all of that. My dermatologist has pointed out I have fairly oily skin. The theory is restrictive head gear and pressure spots irritate the pores.
2 things have kept me from needing the bi weekly shots. Keeping my hair very short, the issues would come back without pressure spots when I'd try to grow my hair out. Now one just embraced the shaven head lol and avoiding restrictive head gear. The beanie helmets work for me, but I'm aware of the additional risks, that's why I'm looking at full face options that will work. The modular I started with felt fine in the store but I quickly realized it's not a proper fit
@@gingernaut2550 Yes, full-face is the way to go. Also, proper fit is crucial. Too loose and it will move around and potentially irritate more. Too tight and you'll have pressure points. One key thing to remember is different brands have slightly different internal shapes that can make fitting difficult. I suggest trying a range of brands, with emphasis on carbon fibre shells for lightness. Several brands now make them and their costs aren't too bad, but their light weight makes them more comfortable.
At this point Im less worried about price, if the fit is right. I dont think im using the right key words for searching helmets with customizable inside liners. I'm not expecting it to be like lego level interchangeable but SOME level of variance. @@garymaclean6903
Do the same test with the 6D helmet.
Full face helmet test will be released Saturday am
How accurate are the skull properties? Would a real skull split in half like that? I could see fragmentation localized to the impact area, but the crack traveled across even the protected portion as well. It was as if the skull were a brittle rock. Has anyone heard of this happening?
research yourself ballisticdummylab.com/products/ballistics-gel-head
Let’s perform the same test with trying to get that test skull in a full face helmet.
Man, this is great. Shocking, but that's what people need to see.
What people may not get, coming from a medical background, is just how unbelievably horrific this trauma would be were that a real head attached to a real body experiencing that for real. Think squashing a large bug with your foot, just at human scale. I bet stories from forensics people or medical examiners would also help to get the point across. That is, if people believe what they say in today's world.... Nice job, great idea!!
That was just 30mph. Can you imagine hitting side of a vehicle at 60-70? I'm ugly, but I like my face; so I only wear a full face, Snell approved helmet. Thanks for this video!
A friend in high school (circa 1974) crashed his Honda Trail 70 on a gravel road at about 40 mph wearing a half helmet. He ground a lot of his lower face to the bone and broke his jaw. Looking at his scabbed up face for several months convinced me to always wear a full face helmet. The scabs weren't the worst though. His broken jaw was wired shut and he couldn't properly brush his teeth. His breath became intolerable if you were closer than about 4' from him. That was also about the time of Bell Helmet's advertising about having a $10 head, where a $10 helmet. Yup, full face for life!!
Try the same experiment with a 6D helmet
I just bought a new full face DOT and ECE helmet and will repeat the test
i wish you also had the full face to kinda compare the extent of the damage
that's next
The first thing that hit the pavement was my face when i crashed. My 6d ats 1r protected me just fine. picked up the bike and walked away. if i had a half helmet, i wudnt have a face.
Data shows little damage to your spine,yet people use vests with back protectors with open face helmets.
open face helmets are soooo dumb
@MotoJitsu uncomfortable too. So much noise and terrible fit.
this video should be use in safety programs
share it!
I may not like my full helmet on a 90 degree day but its always on, we used to cruise around with just glasses because here in Maine you don't need to wear a helmet yet you do a seatbelt. After a few hits in the melon from rocks,bugs ect.. I went to a full helmet and besides safety the wind noise became tolerable and could enjoy the actual sounds of the bike.
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After I got up off the floor from pissing myself laughing I concluded that was a great test. It looks like that helmet offered no skull protection whatsoever, even for the part of the head inside the helmet.
Collab with ‘ballistic high speed’ … Do it!!! 🎉
You should have put the second head in a full face helmet for comparison
Next video
Hope the storm doesn't hit too hard for you in SD
If you only have half a head, wear half a helmet. Otherwise wear a full-face helmet to protect your entire head and all of the important contents therein. Good info.
I watched a rider low side wearing a half helmet. His shoulder hit the ground first, then his head. The half helmet rotated from the drag on the placement, exposing the side of his head. The exposed side of his head hit the road. It was not a hard impact but he was incoherent. I'm sure that his head would not have touched the pavement if he had been wearing a 3/4 or full helmet.
I work in first response. Yesterday we had an accident between a motorcyclist and pedestrian.
The motorcyclist hit the pavement at around 50/60kph. He was wearing a helmet without a chinbar. He will be using a straw to eat for the next couple of months.
He also wasn't wearing gloves. Please wear gloves.
An actual DOT approved half helmet is not ideal, but will provide some protection. The non-DOT "beanies" that a lot of cruiser riders wear do nothing.
Yo, Censor your plates. There’re crazy people out there friend. Kool video, as always. I won’t lie though… I do wear Half faces in short rides BUT at my own risk.
You’ve shown what it looks like on a half helmet, but now you should show what it looks like in a full face. I think that would drive the point home. A 3/4 helmet would be interesting too.
Next video
How are you liking thar Tacoma?
I started out on dirt bikes before I bought a Harley. I wouldn’t cross my driveway without a full helmet.
Great experiment! Half helmets are insane like no helmets! I am interested, what do you think about modular helmets? From your test I can sort of imagine your answer. If you hit your chin with those I guess they could fly open and then there goes your crash test dummy head there too. Thanks for this video! Good job sir.
I have a modular but only wear it when I'm doing local, low speed practice days...not fast riding in the twisties
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@@MotoJitsu Thank you, sir. I am no longer considering modular, especially in the light of your great test. Really brings it home when you see the potential damage of any exposure let alone the half helmet insanity. Cheers from Indiana.
You did some Arnold at 5:21
A wonderful young lady and dear friend of mine died due to head trauma while wearing a “novelty” helmet like that and being thrown off the bike at slow speed when a car clipped the rear tire. She left a six year old daughter behind.
Please wear a good quality full face helmet!
Moto jitsu i have full face shoi wear gear right gear unless you ride a push bike lol 😂
Great video to show what happens, but for people who ride with such helmets none of these will change their mind, ego and “law of freedom” for them is more important than their safety… I use to say people who think live longer, people who care about others live longer 😉
Nice!! I seen this TH-cam video of a guy remaking open faced helmets. He would take a small size because the shell isn't as bulky, tear out the guts, shave it all down so a large to xl head would fit into this small helmet. He said he's sold about 6000 over the years. Ugh.
Now Im curious as to what effect a body has on absorbing some of the impact vs just a severed head. I mean if someone decapitated me and tossed my head out of a moving truck , it wont matter what type of helmet Im wearing.
That’s the next test video
Yes a fair point. With no body/shoulders the chin and neck are artificially exposed and basically guaranteed to sustain damage in this test. So it's not representative of every crash.
However I'd argue the underlying point remains valid: If you land in such a way that your face/chin hits the ground, this is your reward for wearing a half helmet.