I had Dr. Nordvig as a professor for 2 semesters during the 2019-20 school year at CU! Also had Jackson Crawford as a professor a couple times too, so happy to see them on prolific TH-cam channels talking about Norse myth!
The fact that someone can do all the research and deliver it to us so quickly and easily makes the acquisition of knowledge so underrated. This guy is too legit, Norse mythology seems to be such an ambiguous topic
I don't think it's more ambiguous than any other mythology. With Norse mythology sources are scarce and unfortunately written down later under the influence of christianisation.
@@tubeyoukonto technically no, but it's not really attached to any country. There's people all over the world with that name. Nordvig is very Nordic though lol
If you want to learn more, you can listen to Dr Mathias Nordvig's podcast called Nordic Mythology Podcast. He hosts it along with Daniel Farrand, owner of an English business called Horns of Odin which sells customizable drinking horns, among other things. They feature a lot of academics, but also participants in Scandinavian culture. They even have an episode with Alexander Ludwig, the actor who played Bjorn in Vikings. They also have episodes with just the two of them where they take deep dives into the mythology; in fact, most of the initial episodes are like that. Hope you don't mind my recommendation!
I was hoping he would mention the fact that MCU Sif has black hair, since she notoriously has beautiful golden hair in the myths. Idk why they changed that since it's one of the few well-noted details about Sif & would've been an easy fix to dye the actress' hair or something like that
Same here! I'm am named Sif, and I've always been told it's after "Sif with the golden hair", so seeing her being portrait with other hair colors is such a bummer for me 🙁
@@jamo3976 her hair was blonde. She got her black hair after Loki shaved her head and on the next day Thor threatened Loki and demanded for him to fix Sif's baldness. Loki went to Dwarfes to get a new hair for Sif, but it was black. The story goes pretty much the same as it does in the myths.
Hel was Loki's daughter, that should be mentioned. I'm not sure if Loke was Hel's mother or father, as Loki could change into many things. He is the mother of Sleipnir, Odin's 8 legged horse, and the Fenris wolf, I think. Excellent video. Also, I think Friday is named after Frigg, which is cool.
Loki is Hels father, her mother is the giant Angerboda. They also had Fenrir, the wolf, and Jormungander, the world serpent, together. Also, Friday being Friggs day is actually a bit of a debate. Some think it could be Freyjas day, some say its Friggas day
@@ladyliza8443 the Faroese word for Friday is Fríggjadagur, which sounds more like Frigg, but in Danish it is fredag, sounding more like Freya. Interesting, I think..
Loki is Hel's father (her mother is the giantess, Angrboda). These two are also the parents of Fenrir (the wolf that will kill Odin) and Jormungandr (the Midgardr Serpent who will kill and be killed by Thor).
I think it wasn't mentioned cause Hels existence as a "person" in the original mythology is not 100% sure. We can be sure Hel existed as a place but her being Lokis daughter could also just be a personification of that which was interpreted as such later on (which is kinda sad if you ask me cause I think she's a really intersting character)
I remember reading that the hammer was just so freaking heavy no one else could lift it. If I recall four frost giants (dressed as women) tried and failed. So Thor “tossed “ it to their king, killing him instantly.
Our week days are named after norse gods. Søndag (Sunday) Day of the sun. Mandag (Monday) the day of the Moon. Tirsdag (Tuesday) the day of Tyr. Onsdag (Wednesday) the day of odin. Torsdag (Thursday) the day of Thor. Fredag(Friday) the day of goddess Freya.
Marvel Thor didn't stop ragnarok, he only hope to. In the end his actions helped bring ragnarok about since Surtur's crown could so easily be placed in the eternal fire, having been brought to Asgard. And Surtur says in the opening, "you cannot stop ragnarok".
I'm curious how he didn't point out more details about Sif, such as being a sister to Heimdall, or how Loki shaved her golden hair (which symbolized fertility of the land) in her sleep and replaced it with a magical headpiece made by Eitri and Brokk. This event alone led to the creation of Mjölnir and Gungnir, among others. SPOILER ALERT, this was referenced in the Disney+ Loki show. Or perhaps WIRED cut out this part for time? -red.
He said on his IG that the talk was about one hour long and then they cut it down to this. He does a podcast, the Nordic Mythology Podcast, where he goes into great detail on Nordic Mythology
About the thing he says about Thor "tricking" fate, the MCU makes it very clear that Ragnarok will happen, and Thor only slightly delayed it by stealing the crown
The MCU has nothing to do with Ragnarok. Ragnarok isn't about stopping some villain who throws spikes at everyone. It's about determinism and vengeance. Loki and his monstrous children brings on the vengeance to the world of Aesir for how they were treated by them. They don't care about conquest. They know they will die, but do so anyway because it's their destiny.
The best norse mythology version of Thor is on the Netflix Tv Series called Ragnarok with david stakton and so many norse mythology elements are in it like you see the axes, the mead, the lighting and thunder along with the Jotuns family which are giants posing as humans for thousands of years
Normal Nordic, or those that still follow the faith? The first one probably thinks it's fine. The second ones in general are annoyed with the butchering and are pissed because of the diVeRsiTy.
They either hate it or don't care for it. MCU's Thor, much like most of Norse-related characters in the MCU, is a bad Americanized joke of their culture. People like Waititi on a mental level can't get the tone that would fit Thor. Thor movies should be moody, rainy, full of pathos and epic battles.
If I might add my perspective as a Norwegian; I don't really mind at all as I don't consider the Thor portrayed by Marvel to be in any way accurate (or even trying to be) a depiction of the Thor of Norse mythology. There are in Scandinavia today exceedingly few who actually worship these gods, but a lot of people respect the myths as a part of culture (including myself). However I would personally find it silly to get all worked up about accuracy in movies, based on comic books made for entertainment, created half a century ago (in America) :P. They are after all not really working towards accuracy in the same way as say 'Vikings' is. When it comes to shows/movies like that, I would care more.
@@cheloxmv outside Thrym's Bride story, there is nothing "funny" about him. Even in that story I mentioned one would say, which ends with Thor slaughtering Jotuns. 2019s Valhalla movie portrays Thor accurate to Eddas, and he's a sourpuss in that.
Mjolnir had a short shaft due to Loki interfering with either Brock or eitri, two dwarves, by biting one of them in the eyelid, so they would lose in the competition of making the best treasures for the gods, which he failed at sabotaging anyway, because mjolnir turned out to be the greatest gift to the gods. The hammer was also very indestructible. Since the two brothers won, Loki would have to give up his own head had he not one trick up his sleeve: they can cut off his head, but not his neck. In response to the ruse, one of the dwarves sewn his mouth shut so they will not be deceived by his words again
I think Stan Lee admitted in "Origins of Marvel Comics" that he and Jack Kirby really didn't know much about Norse mythology when they created their comic book Thor. They used some of what they remembered, but just made up a whole bunch of stuff (which is why Thor and Sif have the wrong hair color, for instance). What's also left out of this video is that the movie Thor has no resemblance to the character Stan and Jack created, but is based on the famous Walter Simonson run on "Thor" in the 80's, where he injected Norse mythology back into Marvel's Asgard and completely revised Thor's character (punting his secret identity of lame Dr. Donald Blake, for starters). That Simonson run is legendary for good reason, and one of the few cases in comics where the re-vision fully and completely replaced the original. But Dr. Nordvig here is a Norse mythology expert, not a comic book fan, so there's no reason why he would have known about that Simonson run. I think he'd dig it, though.
11:52 but....it still proved to be possible, because Thor brought his head TO Asgard, next to the very flame that brought him back to life. So, it WAS fate played out...
So much is missing... Hel's being Loki's daughter, Laufei being a male in some stories, Sif's hair relation to Mjolnir in some stories, Fenrir's origin... C'mon, I know that there are a lot of variations to these stories, but not even mentioning them...
@@BuoyB Yeah there’s a lot to talk about and that can be talked about when it comes to any mythology but one that isn’t as well known and one such as Norse, that hasn’t been as researched as say Greek or Roman myth, is also due to the fact that a lot of the characters are not as written as others. Lots of stuff written with Thor Loki and Odin. Less on Sif. I kinda wish Marvel would’ve introduced Baldr to the MCU as well as Loki. He is commonly referred to as the god of wisdom and light.
@@SaltborneHeathen Pretty sure that Hel being Loki's daughter and not Odin's is quite the detail that could be in a 12 minute video... At least, it sounds a bit more important than that Friggs x Freya. Even more so when you compare role importance in the movie... Like how Hel killed a good chunk of Asgard... Broke Mjolnir... Is "kinda" of responsible for Odin's death... Is responsible for Thor's banishment... Freya is a cool mom, no denying, but her role in the movie is simply not that high.
That guy can't even switch off his annoying Australian accent when playing Thor. Not to mention how embarrassingly goofy he is since Ragnaschlock. I can picture anybody who can speak in Elizabethan English being better than him.
I love Chris but... yeah he's not really portraying Thor. Not that it's his fault, at least not entirely, Marvel's Thor isn't really the Norse god named Thor.
Maybe i missed it but i think he forgot to mention that Hel or Hela, Fenrisúlfur or Fenris and Odin's horse Sleipnir are all Lokis children. Loki being the father of Hel and Fenrir and the mother of Sleipnir
Loved this deep dive into how Marvel's version of Thor and the Norse gods compare to their mythological origins! 🌟 It’s fascinating to see how the stories and characters have evolved. Thanks for making these comparisons so clear and engaging!
There are a few key things he didnt mention with all the Norse gods, like Heimdall is actually the whitest skinned God to the point that he shines. So its great that Marcel picks Idris Elba for the role.
I feel like this guy has not watched the Marvel movies...Loki isn't depicted as being a blood relation to Thor, he is called a frost giant in the MCU. Also the scepter isn't really "Loki's" weapon, its just the space stone lent to him by Thanos. And lastly, the situation of there being a Ragnarok despite Thor's efforts is still very much in play in the MCU, in fact Thor stealing the crown is what allowed Ragnarok to happen.
Loki changed himself into a mare to lure away the horse that was bringing back the stones to build the wall of Asgard, so basically Loki left with the horse, got pregnant and returned a year later to Odin with an eight legged horse baby
Enjoyed this immensely. Let's not forget that in the MCU universe Asgard and it's citizens are the "gods" as they actually are. These gods according to MCU Odin "fell into mans myths and legends" hence mans stories of the Norse pantheon. It's a flip of sorts. With us the mythology came first and the MCU stories much later. With MCU the gods came first and our mythology came after. Hope I explained that right.
In Norse mythology there's no such thing as only the worthy can wield mjolnir. In the myths it's simply stated that Thor is thenonly one who's powerful enough to wield the hammer properly. There even is a story where the giants stole Thor's hammer but that wouldn't be possible in the MCU because only the worthy can lift Thor's hammer in the MCU. Also in the myths heimdall isn't black.
Other neat facts Mjolnir was actually commissioned by loki Odin's spear Gungnir will never miss and any oath sworn upon it will never be broken Loki once turned into a horse (if you are very very brave or foolish look up why) Thor once had to dress up as a bride (I really wish we got something like that in Marvel) In marvel Fenris wolf seems to be Hella's pet in mythology he is actually her brother Fenrir
Fenris and Fenrir are the same being. That's why alot what he say is wrong. Norse has many contradicting stories. Like Loki and Odin are the same person. Odin used to be a trickster God who was called the walker before becoming king. Thor hammer have various descriptions not all small like marvel. Loki was once female. He once gave birth as a female wolf. Loki was a fire giant. He has different color eyes apparently. Thor mother is Gaia. He isn't wrong. And isn't not wrong. Their are many different interpretations. Thor is blond and red headed. Hela name is Hela and is a place in hel.
Our week days are named after norse gods. Søndag (Sunday) Day of the sun. Mandag (Monday) the day of the Moon. Tirsdag (Tuesday) the day of Tyr. Onsdag (Wednesday) the day of odin. Torsdag (Thursday) the day of Thor. Fredag(Friday) the day of goddess Freya.
I also thought Thor’s hammer in mythology could only be lifted by Thor because he was the only one strong enough and the worthy was thing was all marvel
Agreed and Fun Fact:DC has their own version of Thor,too! I'd love to see Warner Brothers and DC bring their version of Thor into one of their films. Maybe have him be in Wonder Woman 3 or Shazam 3 or Black Adam 2 but they should really do something with him in one of their movies!
The similarities are not that crazy when you consider that all Indoeuropean mythologies have a common root. Etymology still proves it: Latin deus, Greek Zeus, Old High German Ziu is the same word. Beside their common root, they developed for centuries independent of each other, so this word has not the same meaning in the different languages anymore. In Latin, deus is the general term for any god, Greek Zeus is the main god while germanic Ziu/Tyr is the god of war.
I'm a simple woman. I see Dr Mathias Nordvig in the preview, I click. EDIT: If you enjoyed watching this video and want to learn more about nordic mythology, listen to Dr Mathias Nordvig's podcast, with co-host Daniel Farrand, called Nordic Mythology Podcast!
I want more on Loki please... like does he use magic in Norse mythology and what about his sexuality... and also in Marvel too Loki doesn't have any weapon..that spear was given to him by Thanos that too destroyed later on except the mind stone...
@@jermainekngdom3154 if you are talking about the birth of fenrir. it’s actually angrboda who is the mother. Loki has given birth as a mare (female horse) instead
Mythologies don't really go for the concept of sexuality nor do they care at all. Making a big deal out of it was more recent that's why Greek gods like Zeus or Dionysus are known to sleep with anyone no matter what gender or species they are. Loki had a wife but I doubt there was any concept of sexuality written for him.
Christianity has single handedly destroyed the most original, authentic cultures ever than anything else has. Just imagine how colourful and different the world today would be if these cultures survived and thrived.
It's even more depressing when you realize most (or ALMOST all) of the stuff we know about this mythology was written down by Christians who altered alot of stuff to connect it to the Bible or make themselves look better.
this really feels like you're constantly cutting him off right as he's about to say something. it's just not a good video because of that. like, surely he mentioned that Sif's hair was golden, and that Hel was actually a daughter of Loki, right? and you just cut that for time? why?
Most people don't realize it but there are a LOT more accurate representations of Thor out there in pop culture(AND in comics and even DC Comics has their own version of Thor) in various different mediums but the Marvel version is just the most popular version of Thor in pop culture.That's why when I write some comics that I have planned for my version of Thor,I'm not even going to call them ''Thor'',just to avoid any kind of association or confusion with Marvel's version of Thor. God Of War is very accurate to Norse myth and legend.
I had Dr. Nordvig as a professor for 2 semesters during the 2019-20 school year at CU! Also had Jackson Crawford as a professor a couple times too, so happy to see them on prolific TH-cam channels talking about Norse myth!
Cool story bro
Is he big into mountain biking?
came here to see if anyone mentioned Dr Crawford!
In what is the school called and what country is the school located where this dude teaches?!
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The fact that someone can do all the research and deliver it to us so quickly and easily makes the acquisition of knowledge so underrated. This guy is too legit, Norse mythology seems to be such an ambiguous topic
I don't think it's more ambiguous than any other mythology. With Norse mythology sources are scarce and unfortunately written down later under the influence of christianisation.
"Mathias Nordvig" Dude was destined to be Norse mythology expert.
Lol agreed
69th like, congratulations.
Mathias is not a norse name though, is it?
@@tubeyoukonto technically no, but it's not really attached to any country. There's people all over the world with that name. Nordvig is very Nordic though lol
@@EpiphoneShredzzzzz True, but originally it is a hebrew name as far as I know ^^
And yes, his last name fits 100000%.
He’s absolutely amazing. This video should’ve been longer and more detailed I’d love to learn more!
If you want to learn more, you can listen to Dr Mathias Nordvig's podcast called Nordic Mythology Podcast. He hosts it along with Daniel Farrand, owner of an English business called Horns of Odin which sells customizable drinking horns, among other things. They feature a lot of academics, but also participants in Scandinavian culture. They even have an episode with Alexander Ludwig, the actor who played Bjorn in Vikings. They also have episodes with just the two of them where they take deep dives into the mythology; in fact, most of the initial episodes are like that. Hope you don't mind my recommendation!
There is also Jackson Crawford’s TH-cam channel.
@@ItsThatJo You're going off subject, she just wants to get piped
I would really love to see him breakdown god of war's take on the Norse mythology, I think it's really interesting personally.
Dr. Jackson Crawford did it in one of IGN videos I think
I was hoping he would mention the fact that MCU Sif has black hair, since she notoriously has beautiful golden hair in the myths. Idk why they changed that since it's one of the few well-noted details about Sif & would've been an easy fix to dye the actress' hair or something like that
Comics sif is black haired too I think..
Same here! I'm am named Sif, and I've always been told it's after "Sif with the golden hair", so seeing her being portrait with other hair colors is such a bummer for me 🙁
@@jamo3976 her hair was blonde. She got her black hair after Loki shaved her head and on the next day Thor threatened Loki and demanded for him to fix Sif's baldness. Loki went to Dwarfes to get a new hair for Sif, but it was black. The story goes pretty much the same as it does in the myths.
In the comics, her hair was blonde at first until loki cut and it turned black forever. If I remember right
I was hoping he'd mention Tyr.
Hel was Loki's daughter, that should be mentioned. I'm not sure if Loke was Hel's mother or father, as Loki could change into many things. He is the mother of Sleipnir, Odin's 8 legged horse, and the Fenris wolf, I think. Excellent video. Also, I think Friday is named after Frigg, which is cool.
Loki is Hels father, her mother is the giant Angerboda. They also had Fenrir, the wolf, and Jormungander, the world serpent, together. Also, Friday being Friggs day is actually a bit of a debate. Some think it could be Freyjas day, some say its Friggas day
@@ladyliza8443 the Faroese word for Friday is Fríggjadagur, which sounds more like Frigg, but in Danish it is fredag, sounding more like Freya. Interesting, I think..
Loki is Hel's father (her mother is the giantess, Angrboda). These two are also the parents of Fenrir (the wolf that will kill Odin) and Jormungandr (the Midgardr Serpent who will kill and be killed by Thor).
I think it wasn't mentioned cause Hels existence as a "person" in the original mythology is not 100% sure. We can be sure Hel existed as a place but her being Lokis daughter could also just be a personification of that which was interpreted as such later on (which is kinda sad if you ask me cause I think she's a really intersting character)
In the case of Hel, Angerboda was her mother and Loki was her father. Loki was, however, the mother of Odin's height legged horse. lol
I really love the very accurate pronunciations.... Very interesting I could have probably listened to him for an hour
I remember reading that the hammer was just so freaking heavy no one else could lift it. If I recall four frost giants (dressed as women) tried and failed. So Thor “tossed “ it to their king, killing him instantly.
As a Norse mythology nerd- I am so happy someone finally pointed out that most of the Asgardians in the movies should have red hair!!
Our week days are named after norse gods.
Søndag (Sunday) Day of the sun. Mandag (Monday) the day of the Moon. Tirsdag (Tuesday) the day of Tyr. Onsdag (Wednesday) the day of odin. Torsdag (Thursday) the day of Thor. Fredag(Friday) the day of goddess Freya.
@@steen275which of course begs the question: what did the Norse call Saturday?
I absolutely love the way he annunciates all the Old Norse words and names. just perfect.
Marvel Thor didn't stop ragnarok, he only hope to. In the end his actions helped bring ragnarok about since Surtur's crown could so easily be placed in the eternal fire, having been brought to Asgard. And Surtur says in the opening, "you cannot stop ragnarok".
I'm curious how he didn't point out more details about Sif, such as being a sister to Heimdall, or how Loki shaved her golden hair (which symbolized fertility of the land) in her sleep and replaced it with a magical headpiece made by Eitri and Brokk.
This event alone led to the creation of Mjölnir and Gungnir, among others.
SPOILER ALERT, this was referenced in the Disney+ Loki show.
Or perhaps WIRED cut out this part for time?
-red.
There are obvious cuts on each subject being talked about. He more than likely did, and Wired decided not to keep it.
He said on his IG that the talk was about one hour long and then they cut it down to this. He does a podcast, the Nordic Mythology Podcast, where he goes into great detail on Nordic Mythology
Wait i watched loki. There was no mention of the creation of MjöInir. Oh wait you meant about sif's hair
About the thing he says about Thor "tricking" fate, the MCU makes it very clear that Ragnarok will happen, and Thor only slightly delayed it by stealing the crown
The MCU has nothing to do with Ragnarok. Ragnarok isn't about stopping some villain who throws spikes at everyone. It's about determinism and vengeance. Loki and his monstrous children brings on the vengeance to the world of Aesir for how they were treated by them. They don't care about conquest. They know they will die, but do so anyway because it's their destiny.
@@antona.1327 well he actually said THAT. It was surtur's fate to destroy Asgard.
You should have this guy do a reaction to God of war 4, or a Greek mythology specialist react to God of war
Norse Mythology is actually very amazing, would love to see more video about it
The best norse mythology version of Thor is on the Netflix Tv Series called Ragnarok with david stakton and so many norse mythology elements are in it like you see the axes, the mead, the lighting and thunder along with the Jotuns family which are giants posing as humans for thousands of years
Got to agree with you on that, their depiction of Norse mythology is very nicely done
Isn't thor in that series called magni? Also the gods are being reincarnated to try and stop the jotun after Ragnarok has already occurred?
@@zenithstrikerz1720 i think Thor got reincarnated as Magne in the series yes
@@tatumergo3931 in the mythology yes
@@tatumergo3931 ye true
I've often wondered what Nordic people think of the Marvel Thor & related characters
Normal Nordic, or those that still follow the faith?
The first one probably thinks it's fine.
The second ones in general are annoyed with the butchering and are pissed because of the diVeRsiTy.
They either hate it or don't care for it. MCU's Thor, much like most of Norse-related characters in the MCU, is a bad Americanized joke of their culture. People like Waititi on a mental level can't get the tone that would fit Thor. Thor movies should be moody, rainy, full of pathos and epic battles.
If I might add my perspective as a Norwegian; I don't really mind at all as I don't consider the Thor portrayed by Marvel to be in any way accurate (or even trying to be) a depiction of the Thor of Norse mythology. There are in Scandinavia today exceedingly few who actually worship these gods, but a lot of people respect the myths as a part of culture (including myself). However I would personally find it silly to get all worked up about accuracy in movies, based on comic books made for entertainment, created half a century ago (in America) :P.
They are after all not really working towards accuracy in the same way as say 'Vikings' is. When it comes to shows/movies like that, I would care more.
@@antona.1327 But Thor is a pretty funny character in most myths, regardless of his final battle.
@@cheloxmv outside Thrym's Bride story, there is nothing "funny" about him. Even in that story I mentioned one would say, which ends with Thor slaughtering Jotuns. 2019s Valhalla movie portrays Thor accurate to Eddas, and he's a sourpuss in that.
Thor in norse mythology is way more of a brainless brute.
@wargames yep he kinda is very short tempered
Mjolnir had a short shaft due to Loki interfering with either Brock or eitri, two dwarves, by biting one of them in the eyelid, so they would lose in the competition of making the best treasures for the gods, which he failed at sabotaging anyway, because mjolnir turned out to be the greatest gift to the gods. The hammer was also very indestructible. Since the two brothers won, Loki would have to give up his own head had he not one trick up his sleeve: they can cut off his head, but not his neck. In response to the ruse, one of the dwarves sewn his mouth shut so they will not be deceived by his words again
Brok and Sindre are brothers, and made Mjølner. Not Eitri
I love learning about history it’s amazing to how things like this originated ☺️
Mythology*
Hel was one of Loki’s monster children, making her Thor’s cousin
You mean Hela?
@@aslanov2001 its hel in Norse mythology
@@dylansearcy3966 oh ok
@@dylansearcy3966 Also forgot to mention Fenrir who is literally the most important figure of Ragnarok Norse Mythology.
She is not Thors cousin. Thor and Hel aren’t even related
It’s cool that they showed the chariot Thor uses in the mythology cause in love and thunder they pay homage to the chariot with the goats
Thor x Sif should get together in the MCU. Always expected it to happen, never really vibed with Jane x Thor.
Didn’t Loki transform into an old lady to deny the ressurection of Balder
Yep, I think he misspoke.
That’s a version of the story, it’s mythology there isn’t one version
I think Stan Lee admitted in "Origins of Marvel Comics" that he and Jack Kirby really didn't know much about Norse mythology when they created their comic book Thor. They used some of what they remembered, but just made up a whole bunch of stuff (which is why Thor and Sif have the wrong hair color, for instance). What's also left out of this video is that the movie Thor has no resemblance to the character Stan and Jack created, but is based on the famous Walter Simonson run on "Thor" in the 80's, where he injected Norse mythology back into Marvel's Asgard and completely revised Thor's character (punting his secret identity of lame Dr. Donald Blake, for starters). That Simonson run is legendary for good reason, and one of the few cases in comics where the re-vision fully and completely replaced the original. But Dr. Nordvig here is a Norse mythology expert, not a comic book fan, so there's no reason why he would have known about that Simonson run. I think he'd dig it, though.
Simonson
Didn't really
Remove it completely. He still kept most of the elements Same.
11:52 but....it still proved to be possible, because Thor brought his head TO Asgard, next to the very flame that brought him back to life. So, it WAS fate played out...
The movie Valhalla - The Legend of Thor, is actually correct with mythology. Cool
So much is missing... Hel's being Loki's daughter, Laufei being a male in some stories, Sif's hair relation to Mjolnir in some stories, Fenrir's origin... C'mon, I know that there are a lot of variations to these stories, but not even mentioning them...
Didn’t really talk about Valkyrie much at all either. I’m guessing a bunch of info got cut out in editing maybe ?
@@BuoyB Yeah there’s a lot to talk about and that can be talked about when it comes to any mythology but one that isn’t as well known and one such as Norse, that hasn’t been as researched as say Greek or Roman myth, is also due to the fact that a lot of the characters are not as written as others. Lots of stuff written with Thor Loki and Odin. Less on Sif. I kinda wish Marvel would’ve introduced Baldr to the MCU as well as Loki. He is commonly referred to as the god of wisdom and light.
It’s a 12 minute segment, not a detailed 2 hour dissection of everything that’s inaccurate (which Matthias could do easily)
@@SaltborneHeathen Pretty sure that Hel being Loki's daughter and not Odin's is quite the detail that could be in a 12 minute video... At least, it sounds a bit more important than that Friggs x Freya. Even more so when you compare role importance in the movie... Like how Hel killed a good chunk of Asgard... Broke Mjolnir... Is "kinda" of responsible for Odin's death... Is responsible for Thor's banishment... Freya is a cool mom, no denying, but her role in the movie is simply not that high.
If you listen to his podcast, he covers gods in detail. He is cramming a lot of information
into a short video here 👏
We need a Norse mythology vs God of war vs Marvel comparison. That'll be cool to see for sure
Chris Hemsworth was destined to play Thor I can't see anyone else having that role other than him
That guy can't even switch off his annoying Australian accent when playing Thor. Not to mention how embarrassingly goofy he is since Ragnaschlock. I can picture anybody who can speak in Elizabethan English being better than him.
I love Chris but... yeah he's not really portraying Thor.
Not that it's his fault, at least not entirely, Marvel's Thor isn't really the Norse god named Thor.
Maybe i missed it but i think he forgot to mention that Hel or Hela, Fenrisúlfur or Fenris and Odin's horse Sleipnir are all Lokis children. Loki being the father of Hel and Fenrir and the mother of Sleipnir
Also Hela along with Fenrir, the giant wolf she rides, are both children of Loki.
Jormundgand too.
@@ИванГергов-н4ь Yes but he hasn't appeared in the MCU
Loved this deep dive into how Marvel's version of Thor and the Norse gods compare to their mythological origins! 🌟 It’s fascinating to see how the stories and characters have evolved. Thanks for making these comparisons so clear and engaging!
Love hearing these in proper pronunciation!
Please do God of War vs Greek Mythology
He's the coolest professor I've ever seen
Love hearing the history and myths and legends love me some Greek mythology and thor is awesome interesting video indeed thanks for sharing
Thor’s mother was the personification of the earth
There are a few key things he didnt mention with all the Norse gods, like Heimdall is actually the whitest skinned God to the point that he shines.
So its great that Marcel picks Idris Elba for the role.
This is super interesting and very well presented! ♥ Loved this!
"If you don't manage your family properly you will deal with Ragnarok "
WOW
They gave him that goat chariot in the new movie… loved the goats btw
Marvel really took some liberties; I do like that the mentioned Bor as Odin's father tough....
10:26 So I guess this is where Hajime Isayama got his idea for Ymir
I feel like this guy has not watched the Marvel movies...Loki isn't depicted as being a blood relation to Thor, he is called a frost giant in the MCU. Also the scepter isn't really "Loki's" weapon, its just the space stone lent to him by Thanos. And lastly, the situation of there being a Ragnarok despite Thor's efforts is still very much in play in the MCU, in fact Thor stealing the crown is what allowed Ragnarok to happen.
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The goats will be in Love and thunder
Funny thing about the thumbnail is that the painting is also inaccurate. Thor has red hair and a long red beard.
No mention of Thor's belt that gives him strength or that he's kind of a jerk.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but can we discuss how Loki is the mother of Odin’s horse, Sleipnir?
wait.. what?
@@noelcruz2891 and father of Fenrir, Odin's killer
@@hi_pd .. the wolf, right?
@@noelcruz2891 Yes, mate
Loki changed himself into a mare to lure away the horse that was bringing back the stones to build the wall of Asgard, so basically Loki left with the horse, got pregnant and returned a year later to Odin with an eight legged horse baby
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Enjoyed this immensely. Let's not forget that in the MCU universe Asgard and it's citizens are the "gods" as they actually are. These gods according to MCU Odin "fell into mans myths and legends" hence mans stories of the Norse pantheon. It's a flip of sorts. With us the mythology came first and the MCU stories much later. With MCU the gods came first and our mythology came after. Hope I explained that right.
In Norse mythology there's no such thing as only the worthy can wield mjolnir. In the myths it's simply stated that Thor is thenonly one who's powerful enough to wield the hammer properly. There even is a story where the giants stole Thor's hammer but that wouldn't be possible in the MCU because only the worthy can lift Thor's hammer in the MCU.
Also in the myths heimdall isn't black.
I wish the Thor movies were more like the actual Thor
Other neat facts
Mjolnir was actually commissioned by loki
Odin's spear Gungnir will never miss and any oath sworn upon it will never be broken
Loki once turned into a horse (if you are very very brave or foolish look up why)
Thor once had to dress up as a bride (I really wish we got something like that in Marvel)
In marvel Fenris wolf seems to be Hella's pet in mythology he is actually her brother Fenrir
Fenris and Fenrir are the same being. That's why alot what he say is wrong. Norse has many contradicting stories. Like Loki and Odin are the same person. Odin used to be a trickster God who was called the walker before becoming king.
Thor hammer have various descriptions not all small like marvel.
Loki was once female. He once gave birth as a female wolf.
Loki was a fire giant. He has different color eyes apparently.
Thor mother is Gaia.
He isn't wrong. And isn't not wrong. Their are many different interpretations. Thor is blond and red headed.
Hela name is Hela and is a place in hel.
@@jermainekngdom3154 And Frigga and Freya could, but probably not, be the same person. You can never be 100% with this mythology most of the time lol
Should've mentioned Sleipnir in Thor 1.
I think its so strange he didn't mention anything about the children of Loki and how Loki is Hel's father and Sleipner's mother
@@randomnamegbji Yeah. I wish he could've explained more about each gods.
Professor is probably a descendant of a Norse God
Malekith isn't mentioned in Norse mythology and doesn't sound particularly Norse because the name was made up by Walt Simonson for the comics lol
aaah Im waiting of zeus, hercules and god of dumplings
How delightful
Nicely explained and shows the diferrences, I'm just sad that the info that Hel is the daughter of Loki, not Odin, is totally missing... XD'
I’m not kidding by the time I was done watching sore I was screaming “that’s not how it works” with tears in my eyes
Plot twist: That’s Loki shapeshifting as a Norse prof
Well time to get the deceiver of gods album out again
I like his pronunciations of Old Norse. Reminds me of Olde English… or maybe Middle English.
He didn’t go over Fenrir☹️
I'd love to see Dr. Nordvig comment on God of War. Specifically, the dialogue Mimir has on the boat.
Surtur was freyr’s killer
I like how serious wired take those videos, calling an doctor and stuff
Great video!!
I love how South Park made the word "Ginger" a known thing. 😂😂
This guy should watch the show “ragnarok”
I wasn't ready when he said "mjollnir"
Our week days are named after norse gods.
Søndag (Sunday) Day of the sun. Mandag (Monday) the day of the Moon. Tirsdag (Tuesday) the day of Tyr. Onsdag (Wednesday) the day of odin. Torsdag (Thursday) the day of Thor. Fredag(Friday) the day of goddess Freya.
I also thought Thor’s hammer in mythology could only be lifted by Thor because he was the only one strong enough and the worthy was thing was all marvel
Tors hammer, actually gets stolen, in one mythic story. By a giant called Trym. :-)
Do this for god of war
I notice you don't mention the Warriors Three - Does that mean they don't have any basis in mythological figures?
Fun fact Wednesday was named after Odin, Thursday after Thor & frigga is Friday
And Tuesday was named after Tyr, who was not featured in the video, but is still a norse god.
they missed brunhild/valkyrie
Now DC Greek mythology would be awesome.
Agreed and Fun Fact:DC has their own version of Thor,too!
I'd love to see Warner Brothers and DC bring their version of Thor into one of their films.
Maybe have him be in Wonder Woman 3 or Shazam 3 or Black Adam 2 but they should really do something with him in one of their movies!
So many similarities in Greek mythology. It's crazy
Greek & Romans had basically the same deity but, Greek & Norse did not. They only have some similarities.
Check out Joseph Campbell
The similarities are not that crazy when you consider that all Indoeuropean mythologies have a common root.
Etymology still proves it: Latin deus, Greek Zeus, Old High German Ziu is the same word. Beside their common root, they developed for centuries independent of each other, so this word has not the same meaning in the different languages anymore. In Latin, deus is the general term for any god, Greek Zeus is the main god while germanic Ziu/Tyr is the god of war.
When he said "we're gonna talk about....." I shouted Bruno for some reason 🤣
no se habla e Bruno. 😅
I'm a simple woman. I see Dr Mathias Nordvig in the preview, I click.
EDIT: If you enjoyed watching this video and want to learn more about nordic mythology, listen to Dr Mathias Nordvig's podcast, with co-host Daniel Farrand, called Nordic Mythology Podcast!
I want more on Loki please... like does he use magic in Norse mythology and what about his sexuality... and also in Marvel too Loki doesn't have any weapon..that spear was given to him by Thanos that too destroyed later on except the mind stone...
Loki do use magic. He is straight but gave birth as a female wolf.
@@jermainekngdom3154 if you are talking about the birth of fenrir. it’s actually angrboda who is the mother. Loki has given birth as a mare (female horse) instead
@@tinagoli5375 ok. Thanks for the correction
Mythologies don't really go for the concept of sexuality nor do they care at all. Making a big deal out of it was more recent that's why Greek gods like Zeus or Dionysus are known to sleep with anyone no matter what gender or species they are. Loki had a wife but I doubt there was any concept of sexuality written for him.
Loki is definitely fruity in Norse mythology
Christianity has single handedly destroyed the most original, authentic cultures ever than anything else has. Just imagine how colourful and different the world today would be if these cultures survived and thrived.
It's even more depressing when you realize most (or ALMOST all) of the stuff we know about this mythology was written down by Christians who altered alot of stuff to connect it to the Bible or make themselves look better.
@@trikalabris That is true.
I watched this video for Hela as well as Loki but what I found is this 😒
Also worth mentioning, is that Tor, is not a god of war, he is the god of whether. :-) Týr, is the god of war.
He mentions Tūmatauenga the Polynesian god of war!! In the movie
No mention of the Valkyries?
You know why
Really well done. Fantastic
they forgot fenrir
this really feels like you're constantly cutting him off right as he's about to say something. it's just not a good video because of that. like, surely he mentioned that Sif's hair was golden, and that Hel was actually a daughter of Loki, right? and you just cut that for time? why?
Was hoping to hear the differences with the Valkerie.
Hoping he would talk about fenrir
I now realized how accurate God of War’s mythology was
Most people don't realize it but there are a LOT more accurate representations of Thor out there in pop culture(AND in comics and even DC Comics has their own version of Thor) in various different mediums but the Marvel version is just the most popular version of Thor in pop culture.That's why when I write some comics that I have planned for my version of Thor,I'm not even going to call them ''Thor'',just to avoid any kind of association or confusion with Marvel's version of Thor.
God Of War is very accurate to Norse myth and legend.
Cool thing to have a phd in
Now do God of war franchise
I hope they do this again when god of war Ragnarok comes out
I love the Norse pronunciations!
Haha, when I took myth in high school I was definitely butchering all of the names. I wasn't even close. 😅
It's important to note that he is using traditional Icelandic pronunciation rather than the linguistically reconstructed Old Norse pronunciation
He is also Danish - so that helps