Honestly, this is one of the main issues with being a larger creator in this community (and by “larger creator” I’m speaking kinda loosely). I’m obviously speaking only from my own experience here, but people… really do just look at whatever opinion you put out and assume that opinion for themselves. I’ve tried to encourage people to think for themselves, and maybe that’s a fault on me for not pushing that more, but while it can be nice to know that a video you’ve made has changed someone’s mind on a potentially serious issue, I don’t like the thought that the reason is because that’s what *I* think and not because they’ve properly looked at the information presented. A lot of it, I think, has to do with the age of the community, because while there are a few older people, the majority is of a younger generation (because it’s art on the Internet, let’s be real here-plus older people don’t have time for drama). Maybe that’s also why saying “I’m sorry, I made a mistake” can be so difficult for peeps. Because they’re young and a blow to one’s ego is just the *worst* thing when you’re young (rolling my eyes very heavily on that, hope it comes across). Maybe it’s a matter of people being of the mentality of “the last person to speak is right” since that’s been the case in the past-a drama happens, someone makes a video that says the opposite of what the community understands, boom, new top opinion. You bring up a lot of good points here, especially towards creator accountability.
I 100% agree with this sentiment. Some people just do not carry with them the common sense to admit to being in the wrong, same for not taking criticism. While I myself have seen you been able to encourage others to look through the facts presented and try to think critically of them, I can see that not a lot of people take that suggestion of looking at the facts with logic & a critical mind to heart. I do hope that maybe one day everyone would be able to point out the faults of what they have been presented and logically know how to break them down with facts & proper evidence, but this unfortunately isn't a perfect world. (BTW, Malware & Ponder, keep up the great work in both of your respected content. You both are huge inspirations, and I hope to see even greater things in the future)
Yee. I can see that as well, myself, since I just got out of the younger generation, so I'm aware with how some young people view the world. I especially was no stranger in viewing the world like that, too.
Please continue your work! Seeing someone articulate these thoughts, makes me feel happy like; yeah! There's someone else in the world who feels like this. I won't lie to you but I will say I was tearing up a little at your honesty. Even if the world as a whole doesn't change you've given me a little more hope that there ARE people like you and me. Were not alone in the universe
I think being naive and being an optimist about people are two different things. Sure, I have hope people can change or will do better, but if people who I’m hoping will change or be better haven’t given me any reason to make me believe they want to, I won’t be naive and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Looking at your Peaches videos now, with more information and evidence out there, it’s easy to see where things were wrong, or weren’t entirely accurate. But you can still watch those videos with hindsight in mind and seeing them for what they were at the time and think, “well turns out a few things were wrong, not everything was out yet”. I mean, you posted those videos before peaches apology/ defense was made, but I think we can mostly agree that you did help with clearing some of the air and misinformation going around in that drama, and that has to count for something. Idk if what I’ve said makes sense or not but I hope for the most part it does. I’m free for clarification if needed
you told me not to jump just cuz a creator said to, but then you told me to drink water and straighten my back and I immediately did so cuz you said it, are you proud of me or disappointed in me lolol
Oh no...I have caught the creator hypocrisy virus. Guess I gotta take myself out to pasture now. It's been fun kids ....but still, stop hunching and drink some water. Proud of you.
@@MaliMalware I'm almost disappointed that I was indeed hunching over again after about 4 corrections in the last 10 minutes and have not had enough to drink
If I'm honest it took Peaches drama in order to have a skeptical outlook on whats being presented in front of me. I used to just listen and believe and not actually read whats on the screen when it was on the screen. I pause to read now and even reread to get an understanding from my perspective and I have been more brave enough to disagree to start a conversation/debate. Thats if the keyboard warriors don't come along to just insult meeeee. I have unsubbed from a lot of channels as well especially the ones mainly focused on drama. I only stayed with the ones I trust and ones that can admit to them being wrong when they are told they are wrong. Im tired though its almost bed tiiiiime.
15:45 reminds me of the narcissist's prayer *_The Narcissist's Prayer_* _That didn't happen._ _And if it did, it wasn't that bad._ _And if it was, that's not a big deal._ _And if it is, that's not my fault._ _And if it was, I didn't mean it._ And if I did... _You deserved it._
@@demonblooddrinker7671 yeah. That's the thing about commentary channels though - when you make a living out of critiquing people- as good as your intentions may be, you are involuntarily putting yourself on a moral pedestal, therefore when you fxck up, it's even worse than if an average person would do the same thing. There are some commentary channels that are good, but some other ones, through time, grow a huge ego.
@@Name-dl3uq also kind of odd that CSA has her own stalker named...I forget. Amy? Amber? Funny how she logged off the internet to take legal action against her stalker right when people started to call her out. Idk if any of what's going on is true. I trust other people but I'd like CSAs side too. Because what I'm theorizing is that her stalker (if she has one) might be pretending to be CSA. Idk. I'm wearing the tinfoil hat and I don't think wearing it is a good idea.
Heeey it's Negazeia. I was really happy to see your video go live. I watched all of it and I wanted to tell you that you're not stupid and naive. Asking people to stand back and think, to not judge so hastily, that's really a self-improvement thing everyone should be striving towards. I think Ponder somewhere up there was talking about how a lot of the audience is younger and I'm actually a little older myself. I've been through a few personal dramas myself, but I had a friend who helped me through it all. She helped shape my perspective about other people. She always, always wanted to see things from others' perspectives because the thought someone wouldn't make the effort to see things from her perspective made her uncomfortable. I value her so much, and I value the idea of always considering what other people are thinking or feeling as a result. I think being "stupid and naive" is honestly an admirable ideal and it's never a waste of time to value that sort of thing, to value and want integrity from a community. I think the thing that should be taken away from this situation is a general acknowledgement and acceptance of reality - know that some people are earnest and are trying to improve, trying to be better, and you can have faith that they will. Others you know likely won't improve, because of a terminal pattern of behavior and how they consistently won't admit to being wrong, but you can still hope that they do improve anyway. Waiting on improvement and accountability is like waiting on customer service to pick up your phone call; just set them on speaker and go get other things done while you drone out elevator music in the background. That being said, it made me personally happy to see you talk about the things you yourself got wrong, and the overall message you have made is a very important one. As a community I think we need to make these kinds of situations less daunting. It needs to actually be okay to just say sorry and let people move on I think. My faith was well placed, I think.
I needed this video. I have this crippling anxiety that if I’m wrong and hurt someone, I will forever be a horrible human being and there will be no way to fix it. You apologizing and taking responsibility for being wrong is awesome? Cool? You’re a creator, a big one and you’re human. Idk, gives me hope.
I got a simple conclusion as a new artist on youtube from seeing various artist's channels... Avoiding the drama 😃 Just create stuff, upload, and have fun!
I'd also like to add that we, as fans, often forget that the people we watch and trust in this parasocial relationship, are humans too. Doesn't matter the age of the commentator, they're going to make big and small mistakes, occasionally they're going to double down when pride gets in the way. Additionally, just because they have these very human traits, doesn't mean they're always outright malicious, sometimes it just means they did a dumb of varying sizes. Sometimes when they defend it, they very well may truly believe they're right at that time, not malicious ignorance. I hold the opinions of certain commentators in high regard for varying reasons, and I listen to dissenting opinions too. But the people I tend to watch and agree with I find the evidence they present to be sound and logical. Even then I don't agree with every statement made, and that's ok, it's healthy to disagree sometimes. It's ok to disagree with your favorite creator, just as it's ok for them to also be human, even on camera and fuck up. Does this automatically excuse creators of all responsibility when they make mistakes? Absolutely not. Even in the real world when the people we hold closest make mistakes, we want there to be reconciliation. But I hope it does reset someone's expectations a little for whoever they follow. What makes a creator worth a second chance and that understanding that they're human, is how they handle it. I agree that a short and to the point apology is better. I've seen it a few times where creators lay it out, explain their thoughts/intentions behind it and apologized where they felt necessary and it makes me take them more seriously. What I don't like to see is that become formulaic with no history of change, or for it to be used to force creators to apologize for everything their audience wants just because a few people were upset over something incredibly nitpicky. That kind of knee jerk reaction to apologize for everything after a drama is insanely unhealthy and toxic for both sides. I guess ultimately I'd like to see each creator be treated case by case rather than automatically condemned for everything big and small. Guilty until proven innocent is what I witness the most...and again...we're all human, creator and audience. For god's sake don't treat them as infallible, that's a pedestal the best creators don't want because it's impossible to maintain.
This video really hit me as the apology thing is relatable. I find that when people (including me) make excuses to go along with the apology or try to justify what they did, they seem disingenuous, and they kind of are. Ever since i came to that realization I’ve just started ensuring that I don’t make excuses if I fucked up, just admit that I was wrong, and that I’m sorry for what I did, and saw much better and more genuine apologies coming from myself, as well as better receiving of them. I think you’re video really covers this really important thing, and I appreciate it. Thank you for the wonderful video :)
Ay, you're back! Always a pleasant surprise when I see you upload. You always have insightful takes and lovely art, so, keep it up, you're doing wonderful! (Still dying to know what you use to edit your sprite transitions, it looks fantastic) Also, completely understandable if you don't want to say anything about this, but, Creepshow (allegedly) did a thing... Yeah. That. Your opinion would be appreciated, but I don't want you to feel like we as your audience are entitled to a reply.
I touch on the CSA stuff very briefly in this video and right now I’m mostly waiting for more to come out while processing and trying to think it all over. Also!! I use photoshop for my sprite squish and jumps. It’s a simple squish in and out transition done in the photoshop timeline. I hope that helps. ♥️
It really does show where this community is going. It’s gotten so far that it’s very tough to follow anything anymore BC somehow in someway it gets connected.
Man, I know when I joined a little pocket of the art commentary community back last year and really, well, delved into it back this past December, I definitely regret a few parts of ever being knowledgeable about the community. While I met amazing people in this community that I've become great friends with, there's so much hate at times, and I can't get behind such hateful attitudes towards just people and not their actions (hate the actions, not the person lol). It makes me glad I never got into this as a teenager as it would have shaped my worldview significantly towards negativity and over-objectivity. It's the main reason I try to never engage without being in the best mindset possible publicly and just try to avoid it in general, both public and private, it's negativity that ruins my mojo. Will we ever get a point of normalcy in the community? It's possible, but well, we need creators from the community to be on good terms, and while it can never be 100% effective, we definitely can reach effectiveness to a point of arguments being a small blip on the grand scheme of things (I mean, the storytime animation community definitely doesn't seem to have this issue from what I've seen). It takes a few things, but a starting point is for creators to admit when they're wrong, and throw less accusations in a defense, and honestly we might see some normalcy again. However, if we still see this strife between creators, we'll be stuck with negativity no matter how one tries to tell the audience to be, well, not themselves lol. Those are just my thoughts at least from someone who just tries to view this stuff and occasionally engages.
I understand having nativity towards things like thinking people will take accountability, people will see that mistakes were made, etc. I will say, I still think that many of the ones who did things that should put them in the naughty corner will eventually learn and grow from their mistakes and become better people. Regardless if it is today, tomorrow, a month from now, a year from now, etc. I think apologizing and making amends is something valuable. Something that needs to happen more often. By the way, I think TH-cam is trying to censor the wives instead of... You know... /joking
I just found this channel today. This is the second video I've watched. I don't usually watch the art commentary content, because of an issue that this video talks about: The arrogance. Not the willful, Gaston from Beauty and the Beast style arrogance, but just...the assumption of personal correctness. The people making the videos- and this happens in all commentary sectors, not just art- are so often so convinced of their own infallibility, so sure that they've got the whole story even when this is people they don't actually know or engage with. I dislike that, I like people who are willing to say 'well I might be wrong', or 'I don't have all the facts, I'm waiting to make my decision' or my personal favorite: 'everyone has made some poor choices here'. You manage to do that while also cursing, which I find an entertaining juxtaposition; "I am emotionally mature and capable of forethought and consideration...you can fucking do the same!". A lot of your comments are already saying this, and this being a year old video you might not even bother to read this one more drop in the bucket, but I want to add another voice to those saying that wanting to believe people can or will be better is *not* stupid. Naive, sure, child *like* perhaps, but not stupid. Its called 'hope', and if more people had it and acted on it, I personally think the world would be a better place. There's something to be said for not putting ones self in danger out of goodwill for other people, but where's the danger in reserving judgment on an internet drama? I support people who treat drama situations as a collection of flawed individuals, instead of some black and white battle of the 'right' side and the 'wrong' side. Keep believing in change, keep holding out hope for people. Maybe if enough of us are willing to give chances, people will start wanting to be worth them.
*looks back at forgotten script about this shit and sweats* Well, I don't know if I should be happy that I waited to make the video....or not. I'll be honest.... All the BS about the art community just gives me heavy anxiety nowadays. I guess my computer breaking down was a good thing? Anyways, great video! I'm just glad someone's talking about this stuff, even if I am not.
Taking accountability is so easy but also very hard. It's easy cause all you need to say is you messed up, you were at fault for something and that you'll learn for next time. But it's hard because saying you're at fault for something would mean that you did something wrong and people want nothing to do with being wrong so they do backwards gymnastics to make sure they still look right in some way, shape or form instead of treating a fuck up like a fuck up. Sometimes, apologies are just what you need to do. Not saying you were in a bad place or giving a bullshit excuse. Just straight up say "yeah I fucked up big time. I might have a small reason but that doesn't change that I'm at fault for this and would like to say I'm sorry. I will try to improve for next time."
Lmao, if Mark turns out to be a monster, I'd be crying for a week. Though to get serious, I completely stand by this video. I was introduced to this community a few years ago through Ponder Sprocket, and I wasn't surprised when I saw her comment on this video. At first I thought all the drama was a nice background noise and nice way to learn through others mistakes, which I did 😅. But as I've gotten more attached (not personally) to the people in all the drama, its heart breaking. And its really sad that one of my favorite communities can't understand something so simple as accept, apologize, and adapt. I hope things get better. And I hope your words help at least some people going through all of this. Either that be first hand or as a hurt fam. Thank you 💙
no clue who these people are or what drama this is but just by listening , THANK YOU . i too am in a rather very problematic not good reputation twitter community and i am in PAIN i am so glad i am not the only one with this type of mindset
tbh this really made my day and about the shannon part, I didn't feel alone and scared anymore. thanks alot for making this video I think we all needed it :')
I think one of the issues with delivering an apology is that once you do, unless all you say is "I'm sorry I fucked up" and nothing else, and sometimes even that, people, in general, refuse to accept it even though it what you were asking for. If you try to explain your mindset, people will say the apology doesn't count because you aren't acknowledging what you did wrong/you are trying to justify it but if you don't explain anything and just say you're sorry people will accuse you of trying to sweep it under the rug. No one really knows how to accept an apology anymore and that no apology is actually perfect. When people fight and say they don't accept your apology, that it isn't good enough, etc. it makes it that much more difficult to actually apologize. It is bad to be wrong and it is arguably even worse to try to apologize because you have people that will demand it but refuse to accept it and no matter how you try to phrase it, it seems like you will always somehow got it wrong and you get a hundred comments saying why your apology is garbage and isn't genuine. And honestly? Sometimes it's fine to not apologize, especially if you don't genuinely feel sorry. Look at the Scott and FNAF issue that happened... everyone took issue with something that he did in his own personal life, away from his content and everyone took issue with it and wanted him to apologize, and... well he didn't. Because he wasn't sorry about his views and tbh? That's fine. He's allowed to have his own views and opinions beyond what his fans think he should have or what they personally agree with. Even though I disagree with this politics he isn't actually a bigoted person. And in regards to his politics, we only found out what we knew because someone went out of their way to dig it up. And one of the issues with the community, even more so integrity I think is that-- and I dislike using this phrasing but-- people are sheep. They just follow whatever the most current popular opinion is and adapt it. They'll hear a line of logic from a creator they like and think "Yeah I guess that sounds right, must be true". These parasocial relationships between fans and content creators is stronger than what it used to be and I think it has been something that has been negative across multiple different communities. With the parasocial relationships, people get so wrapped up in these creators that when they express different views (not referring to Creepshow) they don't like, people tend to either crumble or mindlessly agree rather than realizing their creator is a person. And as a person, they are allowed their own lives and views separate from their content and fans, and that they don't and shouldn't need to cater to all of their fans even as a whole or generalization. Not to mention in all of the parasocial relationships and people either crumbling completely or just mindlessly believing a creator, people tend to think in binaries or absolutes otherwise you are just a spineless and filthy "centralist", fence-sitter, someone with no morals/values, etc. It is so often discouraged to look at complex situations with nuance and criticism. The peaches drama was a complex situation but you were a creator who either defended peaches or you were critical of and against peaches... but there was no real in-between... which honestly I think was severely needed in a situation like that. You had to make up your mind on whether you were for or against peaches but not given the time to actually wait for more information to come out about the situation. You had to make a decision right then and there. Or alternatively, people weren't really allowed to just "sit out" the situation. You are either on the right side or the wrong side and often what is considered right or wrong isn't viewed through an objective lens but rather just what is more socially acceptable/popular... or whichever one had your favorite creator on it. This has been a super long comment but... honestly, this past year really makes me glad that I had decided to lay off a youtube career this past year or so. I'm not sure if I could deal with that kind of parasocial relationship or dehumanization in the form of either being demonized if I pissed off the wrong person or was critical of something that is considered socially acceptable or idolized to the point where people thought I was damn near a literal angel walking the earth. Or where it feels like I have to base my entire identity around what views my audience may have as to not disappoint them if they get leaked or found out. I don't really want that for myself because no matter how much I would encourage my audience to be their own person, to do their own research, etc. there are always going to be those people that demonize or idolize me but very few that realize that as a creator I am still a person and I try to hold that same view towards any other content creator I enjoy... They're human. Complex humans make mistakes and honestly, some mistakes really aren't as bad as others.
I have never loved the TH-cam recommendation section in my life Instant sub, you make your points very well for not being scripted!! I love your work, and look forwards to inevitably binge watching your videos
I stopped watching Shannon months ago, and it’s because of what I have noticed with her behavior, her attitude, and some things that came out a while back that make too much sense not to be real. Ya know?
Would you mind to elaborate? I'm genuinely curious if there is something I missed. I totally see some small red flags in her behaviour in videos, but what do you mean with things that came out that made too much sense?
SAME I watched her content but I didn't like her as a person. She brought her personal life into her videos in places that seemed to terrible for such an topic to be put in, she seemed fake so I stopped watching and actually blocked her channel at one point. Then the Hopeless Peaches thing came out, I was dumb enough to think "maybe she's right" and stupidly stoped supporting Peaches. Now that the stalking allegations have basically been proven by HERSELF, I know that I was right in blocking her and should've just kept her blocked, especially with the Peaches drama.
I am so glad i watched this! if only people took more time to just sit back and think about all this drama before diving headfirst into it. Guess I'm kinda guilty of that by diving into comment sections but you know, we'll forget about that for now. You are an awesome creator and i love your goofiness mixed with an honest well-intended message.
That also means we sometimes pay the price for it I am also naïve and overly nice to the point where people take a vantage of my kindness and I don’t know how to stand up for myself as a result and let people run all over me
I always got myself into trouble for everything, but i'm just triying to be positive. They never forgive my wrongdoings so I leave them behind. So I move on with a better attitude and I change my behaviour, but it's too hard to keep up with my solutions so I'll do better in a future. Apologizing is a long journey to let someone trust or believe in words.
Not being part of a hive mind is something I've been trying to get better at. I always went from "this person is bad" to "this person actually didn't do that much wrong" through no choice of my own and just because someone I liked said this. It's happened so much especially with the Peaches drama for me to where I had to fix this problem before I do anything else hasty. Now if allegations come out I take them seriously but will wait for further information before jumping to a conclusion. Jumping at the chance has blown in the Internet's face way to often so now I'll just wait until full info or confirmation is out before making a final judgement. Same goes for petty drama. If someone did something petty and really dumb, I won't brush aside the problem and not want them to be held accountable for their behaviour but I also won't immediately drop out from watching them ever again because some else doesn't like them. Whether or not I do something should be my choice. Other people can influence me with their opinions and facts but my final judgement should base on what I feel not anyone else.
MALLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII great video as always. completely agree with all your points/arguments. very well articulated too. and amazing example of taking accountability lol. i hope more creators see this and take your advice.
Sup Mal, to be honest I think your handling of Peaches drama was more of more fair videos on the case. At least you did your own research, and came up with your own thoughts instead of repeating bullshit other spewed. I would say people seem to expect best of creators, and that's probably why some red flags in Shannon case did not stack up. Though again - this seems to be - if proven true, because we're still calling that alleged - just another case of creator ganging up on other creator in commentary community. And that's probably only a tip of an iceberg, because I don't think the participation of other creators in both Tobi and Peaches drama was in any way organic. Anyway, good vid, have a good one
I honestly really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and opinions on everything, even though this video may have been unscripted one of the things I really appreciate about you is how you handle things in such a mature fashion, I see a lot of creators jumping to one side or another, picking sides or making huge accusations and coming off as very childish but your views always come off as very mature and you're careful not to side too much with one side over another and that's something I really really respect. In regards to the peaches situation I hope you can just move forward from it and be done with speaking about it since I know the drama seems to be neverending and I can imagine it's not fun talking or thinking about, it gives me a headache just thinking about it. But I still appreciate the two videos you initially made even if not everyone was as receptive to them. You were one of the first creators I saw who really covered the situation in a way that was mature and wasn't so much trying to demonize one person or trying to sway the audience to believe one person was evil and one was good. One thing I learned from my mom when it comes to relationships that in any conflict nobody is ever 100% right or 100% wrong, theres always blame on either side even if one person is 99% right and the other is 1% wrong, things aren't as black and white as just one person is wrong and the other is right and I think your videos really carried that theme throughout them of blame on either sides. It definitely changed my perspective on how I viewed the situation and I'm sure it had an impact on other people who viewed them as well and for that I think you should give yourself at least a small pat on the back. In regards to the situation with Creepshow Art I just want complete honesty. If she's innocent then fine, explain the situation, show proof if necessary and move on but if she is guilty I just want her to be completely honest and transparent and own up to everything. I don't want to see her cover up her lies and then six months from now everything gets dragged up again and the drama goes round and round in circles. If things are true I hope she will own up to them and apologize and do her best to change as a person and her audience can decide for themselves whether or not they want to stick around and support her knowing the truth. I don't know the truth and I've tried not to jump to one side just yet without knowing but I do have a sinking feeling about all of this and it sucks because during a period of time when I was starting my own recovery I used to watch her video's a lot for comfort and to cheer myself up and I hope that the allegations aren't true because I want to believe she is a good person. But only time will tell what the truth is and all I can ask for is that we get complete honesty one way or another, no more lies, just the truth. Your video was well done as always and I'm sorry for my extremely long comment but I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and feelings with everyone. ❤
YES, THIS! I'm SO glad for people like this, who are telling people to hold their horses or not take everything in bad faith! It's amazing to me how every so often a creator does a very bad thing and then everybody piles on more claims and more and more and they are being analysed to oblivion and back and they are being pained to be this inherently bad, manipulative, evil mastermind and I have a hard time buying it - if nothing else because I don't think most people are smart enough to be that devious mastermind. I have this motto for myself: if I ever have a simple answer to a complicated situation, just call me out on being in a bubble.
Is it really Mal hitting it out of the park once again??? Of course it is. Thank you for making this, I think this was an important discussion to have and you handled it really well! With everything going on lately I think we needed a fresh perspective on everything. And as always, the art is absolutely adorable. Thank you for making this, Mal!
I'd say stuff that you got "wrong" in the peaches drama video was just because some of the information hadn't come out yet. Plus I remember you saying alot of the information could be subject to change in the video. It's not your fault if you can't give information that doesn't exist.
You seem like a real cool person^^i don't really get into drama myself cause ..sigh I have my reasons ..you keep being you and take care ok 💖🌺and same to everyone else 🌸🌺💖
My whole life my gut instincts have always been correct, and when I went against them, it would result in me or my friends suffering over something that could have easily been prevented. During the entirety of the peaches drama I had a gut feeling Peaches was innocent. I didn't have all the information and well, I'm too lazy to research stuff, so I just stuck around and watched the drama play out. And I was right. Peaches made mistakes, yes, but that's the thing. PEACHES IS A HUMAN BEING WITH EMOTIONS JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. she acted on emotions and made some desicions with clouded judgement. But she owned up to it. She knew she didn't handle right. Honestly I felt horrible for her, and that whole drama is what introduced me to the cold hard fact that the art/commentary community is... Seemingly more toxic than the vocaloid community, where I mostly reside. But no matter what community you're in there will always be toxic people, so we can only do are best and try to grow strong enough that we won't let those toxic people destroy us over what is simply a stupid choice we made in our lives. I just recently messed up big time with a couple of friends. And I simply apologized. And if we never speak again, it's on me, and I accept that fact. And what's important is that I use my mistake to grow as a person.
Like the rest of us who just want all of this to be over, I will roll one up for everyone in agreement to just chill tf out (if weed isn't your thing I got oodles of snaccs in the back) 🤗💖 Edit: yo how many stills do you have? Kinda wanna kno so I kno how many variations of emotions I should make...thank you 😊 ❤️
Hoya! I have about 50 different stills at the moment. But I plan to add more seeing as I’m missing some core emotions I want to include and touch up a few old ones that don’t get used too often as they are now. Hope that helps!
Last time I had weed was unpleasant, a strobe effect that felt like it will last for an eternity, but I had my family there with me and they told me to breathe and it’ll get better. And thinking about this reminds me of the drama, every painful experience makes you wiser.
@@sliquidator0123 I'm sorry you had a bad experience with weed hun 🤗 altho I do agree that I've had a bad experience with it and it's definitely an accurate description of this entire situation...but i gots snaccs...you want anything?
personaly as someone who only watches these videos, ive always had the outlook of looking at more then one video about topics on otherpeople in that community. When it comes to drama, we as a whole cant help but want to consume it, and it would suck if someone you enjoy watching turns out to be a massive turtles nob, but its alwaysvin the same communities that are becoming so toxic with the fans and creator's. Now all this is comeing out with Creepshow, how long has it taken people to suddenly jump on that and make videos when there isnt that much out about it? Before listening to all sides people are jumping on that, very much like the Peaches and Spoctor dramas?? I mean i still watched videos by the mentioned people because i enjoy their content, what i didnt enjoy is all these people just going on about how these creator's should die or get off the internet. We as an audiance need to be better then some hive mind of jumping on waggons of hate.
On final thoughts, you reminded me that the cringe 'bring back old gacha' is just how people perceived it, gacha was cringe back then, can be still now.-
I think it is wise to take a step back and play the neutral route. In terms of CSA, I can only comment as an individual that works in IT and knows about IP's and the information that is shared between devices, networks and cookies on forums, even if done anonymously... and it is a bad look, you cannot spoof the IP's for about three years or cookies. I want to outline though, that I don't think this makes CSA a bad person if she did it, maybe a little crummy, intolerant, and mean, but perhaps she was using this as a means to release frustration and self-hatred. Some people write letters and never send them as a form of therapy so nobody gets hurt and maybe Shannon was doing that through the anonymous postings. They were supposed to stay anonymous, it was just the admins that revoked anonymity due to rules being broken, which has been done with other creators as well, so nobody was supposed to be hurt. At least, that is what I will tell myself until something is properly said. If not and it can be proven in a logical way to account for everything from devices mac addresses, IP's, cookies, and more, that it was the stalker, get that person on the CIA or FBI, that is some next level hacking and I will have to take my hat off to her. A bad person or not, that is an incredible feat.
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Honestly, this is one of the main issues with being a larger creator in this community (and by “larger creator” I’m speaking kinda loosely). I’m obviously speaking only from my own experience here, but people… really do just look at whatever opinion you put out and assume that opinion for themselves. I’ve tried to encourage people to think for themselves, and maybe that’s a fault on me for not pushing that more, but while it can be nice to know that a video you’ve made has changed someone’s mind on a potentially serious issue, I don’t like the thought that the reason is because that’s what *I* think and not because they’ve properly looked at the information presented.
A lot of it, I think, has to do with the age of the community, because while there are a few older people, the majority is of a younger generation (because it’s art on the Internet, let’s be real here-plus older people don’t have time for drama). Maybe that’s also why saying “I’m sorry, I made a mistake” can be so difficult for peeps. Because they’re young and a blow to one’s ego is just the *worst* thing when you’re young (rolling my eyes very heavily on that, hope it comes across).
Maybe it’s a matter of people being of the mentality of “the last person to speak is right” since that’s been the case in the past-a drama happens, someone makes a video that says the opposite of what the community understands, boom, new top opinion.
You bring up a lot of good points here, especially towards creator accountability.
I 100% agree with this sentiment. Some people just do not carry with them the common sense to admit to being in the wrong, same for not taking criticism. While I myself have seen you been able to encourage others to look through the facts presented and try to think critically of them, I can see that not a lot of people take that suggestion of looking at the facts with logic & a critical mind to heart. I do hope that maybe one day everyone would be able to point out the faults of what they have been presented and logically know how to break them down with facts & proper evidence, but this unfortunately isn't a perfect world.
(BTW, Malware & Ponder, keep up the great work in both of your respected content. You both are huge inspirations, and I hope to see even greater things in the future)
As someone who is part of the younger generation, I can look back and notice how black and white some of my thinking was.
You'd think things couldn't get any worse but it has.
Yee. I can see that as well, myself, since I just got out of the younger generation, so I'm aware with how some young people view the world. I especially was no stranger in viewing the world like that, too.
@@jackloxtile2764 Indeed I miss the times when we didn't have so much drama back in the day. Now look where we are.
It's not wrong to be naive or hope for people to be better. We need more creators like you.
Please continue your work! Seeing someone articulate these thoughts, makes me feel happy like; yeah! There's someone else in the world who feels like this. I won't lie to you but I will say I was tearing up a little at your honesty. Even if the world as a whole doesn't change you've given me a little more hope that there ARE people like you and me. Were not alone in the universe
I think being naive and being an optimist about people are two different things. Sure, I have hope people can change or will do better, but if people who I’m hoping will change or be better haven’t given me any reason to make me believe they want to, I won’t be naive and give them the benefit of the doubt.
I legit have a love hate relationship with the art commentary community
Makes you go "ah shit here we go again" too many times 🗿
Looking at your Peaches videos now, with more information and evidence out there, it’s easy to see where things were wrong, or weren’t entirely accurate. But you can still watch those videos with hindsight in mind and seeing them for what they were at the time and think, “well turns out a few things were wrong, not everything was out yet”. I mean, you posted those videos before peaches apology/ defense was made, but I think we can mostly agree that you did help with clearing some of the air and misinformation going around in that drama, and that has to count for something. Idk if what I’ve said makes sense or not but I hope for the most part it does. I’m free for clarification if needed
I have watched so many videos and tbh I still don't understand all the drama between everyone.
@@Sweetblackdragon7 Same-
you told me not to jump just cuz a creator said to, but then you told me to drink water and straighten my back and I immediately did so cuz you said it, are you proud of me or disappointed in me lolol
Oh no...I have caught the creator hypocrisy virus. Guess I gotta take myself out to pasture now. It's been fun kids
....but still, stop hunching and drink some water. Proud of you.
@@MaliMalware I'm almost disappointed that I was indeed hunching over again after about 4 corrections in the last 10 minutes and have not had enough to drink
If I'm honest it took Peaches drama in order to have a skeptical outlook on whats being presented in front of me. I used to just listen and believe and not actually read whats on the screen when it was on the screen. I pause to read now and even reread to get an understanding from my perspective and I have been more brave enough to disagree to start a conversation/debate. Thats if the keyboard warriors don't come along to just insult meeeee. I have unsubbed from a lot of channels as well especially the ones mainly focused on drama. I only stayed with the ones I trust and ones that can admit to them being wrong when they are told they are wrong. Im tired though its almost bed tiiiiime.
15:45 reminds me of the narcissist's prayer
*_The Narcissist's Prayer_*
_That didn't happen._
_And if it did, it wasn't that bad._
_And if it was, that's not a big deal._
_And if it is, that's not my fault._
_And if it was, I didn't mean it._
And if I did...
_You deserved it._
My god, it does sound like it
I mean now Creepshow is being exposed for shit what next? ITS SO FRUSTRATING!!!!
@@klonoafan2012 I get that. I just hate that this whole thing is continuing
Emily Artful came out about CSA and how she is obsessive, stalks her and overall did horrible things. Disgxsting. I am so sad and disappointed.
@@Name-dl3uq saw a whole video on that
@@demonblooddrinker7671 yeah. That's the thing about commentary channels though - when you make a living out of critiquing people- as good as your intentions may be, you are involuntarily putting yourself on a moral pedestal, therefore when you fxck up, it's even worse than if an average person would do the same thing.
There are some commentary channels that are good, but some other ones, through time, grow a huge ego.
@@Name-dl3uq also kind of odd that CSA has her own stalker named...I forget. Amy? Amber? Funny how she logged off the internet to take legal action against her stalker right when people started to call her out. Idk if any of what's going on is true. I trust other people but I'd like CSAs side too. Because what I'm theorizing is that her stalker (if she has one) might be pretending to be CSA. Idk. I'm wearing the tinfoil hat and I don't think wearing it is a good idea.
"I see you hunching!"
I was not expecting to get called out like that lol
Heeey it's Negazeia.
I was really happy to see your video go live. I watched all of it and I wanted to tell you that you're not stupid and naive.
Asking people to stand back and think, to not judge so hastily, that's really a self-improvement thing everyone should be striving towards.
I think Ponder somewhere up there was talking about how a lot of the audience is younger and I'm actually a little older myself. I've been through a few personal dramas myself, but I had a friend who helped me through it all. She helped shape my perspective about other people. She always, always wanted to see things from others' perspectives because the thought someone wouldn't make the effort to see things from her perspective made her uncomfortable. I value her so much, and I value the idea of always considering what other people are thinking or feeling as a result.
I think being "stupid and naive" is honestly an admirable ideal and it's never a waste of time to value that sort of thing, to value and want integrity from a community. I think the thing that should be taken away from this situation is a general acknowledgement and acceptance of reality - know that some people are earnest and are trying to improve, trying to be better, and you can have faith that they will. Others you know likely won't improve, because of a terminal pattern of behavior and how they consistently won't admit to being wrong, but you can still hope that they do improve anyway.
Waiting on improvement and accountability is like waiting on customer service to pick up your phone call; just set them on speaker and go get other things done while you drone out elevator music in the background.
That being said, it made me personally happy to see you talk about the things you yourself got wrong, and the overall message you have made is a very important one. As a community I think we need to make these kinds of situations less daunting. It needs to actually be okay to just say sorry and let people move on I think.
My faith was well placed, I think.
I needed this video. I have this crippling anxiety that if I’m wrong and hurt someone, I will forever be a horrible human being and there will be no way to fix it. You apologizing and taking responsibility for being wrong is awesome? Cool? You’re a creator, a big one and you’re human. Idk, gives me hope.
I got a simple conclusion as a new artist on youtube from seeing various artist's channels...
Avoiding the drama 😃
Just create stuff, upload, and have fun!
I'd also like to add that we, as fans, often forget that the people we watch and trust in this parasocial relationship, are humans too. Doesn't matter the age of the commentator, they're going to make big and small mistakes, occasionally they're going to double down when pride gets in the way. Additionally, just because they have these very human traits, doesn't mean they're always outright malicious, sometimes it just means they did a dumb of varying sizes. Sometimes when they defend it, they very well may truly believe they're right at that time, not malicious ignorance.
I hold the opinions of certain commentators in high regard for varying reasons, and I listen to dissenting opinions too. But the people I tend to watch and agree with I find the evidence they present to be sound and logical. Even then I don't agree with every statement made, and that's ok, it's healthy to disagree sometimes. It's ok to disagree with your favorite creator, just as it's ok for them to also be human, even on camera and fuck up.
Does this automatically excuse creators of all responsibility when they make mistakes? Absolutely not. Even in the real world when the people we hold closest make mistakes, we want there to be reconciliation. But I hope it does reset someone's expectations a little for whoever they follow. What makes a creator worth a second chance and that understanding that they're human, is how they handle it.
I agree that a short and to the point apology is better. I've seen it a few times where creators lay it out, explain their thoughts/intentions behind it and apologized where they felt necessary and it makes me take them more seriously. What I don't like to see is that become formulaic with no history of change, or for it to be used to force creators to apologize for everything their audience wants just because a few people were upset over something incredibly nitpicky. That kind of knee jerk reaction to apologize for everything after a drama is insanely unhealthy and toxic for both sides.
I guess ultimately I'd like to see each creator be treated case by case rather than automatically condemned for everything big and small. Guilty until proven innocent is what I witness the most...and again...we're all human, creator and audience. For god's sake don't treat them as infallible, that's a pedestal the best creators don't want because it's impossible to maintain.
This video really hit me as the apology thing is relatable. I find that when people (including me) make excuses to go along with the apology or try to justify what they did, they seem disingenuous, and they kind of are. Ever since i came to that realization I’ve just started ensuring that I don’t make excuses if I fucked up, just admit that I was wrong, and that I’m sorry for what I did, and saw much better and more genuine apologies coming from myself, as well as better receiving of them. I think you’re video really covers this really important thing, and I appreciate it. Thank you for the wonderful video :)
Ay, you're back! Always a pleasant surprise when I see you upload. You always have insightful takes and lovely art, so, keep it up, you're doing wonderful!
(Still dying to know what you use to edit your sprite transitions, it looks fantastic)
Also, completely understandable if you don't want to say anything about this, but, Creepshow (allegedly) did a thing...
Yeah. That. Your opinion would be appreciated, but I don't want you to feel like we as your audience are entitled to a reply.
I touch on the CSA stuff very briefly in this video and right now I’m mostly waiting for more to come out while processing and trying to think it all over.
Also!! I use photoshop for my sprite squish and jumps. It’s a simple squish in and out transition done in the photoshop timeline. I hope that helps. ♥️
@@MaliMalware Awesomesauce! Thank you so much, you're doing fantastic.
It really does show where this community is going. It’s gotten so far that it’s very tough to follow anything anymore BC somehow in someway it gets connected.
I have waited ages for you to upload, you're my favourite TH-camr
This is actually Mali's second channel for commentary. Here's her main: th-cam.com/users/MaliceAndMacarons
Let’s all come together in peace and groundpound our wife’s.
@@Take22952 *instert friends theme here*
7:57 it takes a lot of restraint to not go “hehehe me” as an artist who goes by Sketch online and has artist friends who post sketches
That was impressive
You just made two good apologies in under one minute where most creators can't even finish one under 10 minutes
Or an hour
Man, I know when I joined a little pocket of the art commentary community back last year and really, well, delved into it back this past December, I definitely regret a few parts of ever being knowledgeable about the community. While I met amazing people in this community that I've become great friends with, there's so much hate at times, and I can't get behind such hateful attitudes towards just people and not their actions (hate the actions, not the person lol). It makes me glad I never got into this as a teenager as it would have shaped my worldview significantly towards negativity and over-objectivity. It's the main reason I try to never engage without being in the best mindset possible publicly and just try to avoid it in general, both public and private, it's negativity that ruins my mojo.
Will we ever get a point of normalcy in the community? It's possible, but well, we need creators from the community to be on good terms, and while it can never be 100% effective, we definitely can reach effectiveness to a point of arguments being a small blip on the grand scheme of things (I mean, the storytime animation community definitely doesn't seem to have this issue from what I've seen). It takes a few things, but a starting point is for creators to admit when they're wrong, and throw less accusations in a defense, and honestly we might see some normalcy again. However, if we still see this strife between creators, we'll be stuck with negativity no matter how one tries to tell the audience to be, well, not themselves lol. Those are just my thoughts at least from someone who just tries to view this stuff and occasionally engages.
I don't have, like 90% of the context for this because I don't follow a lot of drama stuff but this is a good video in general.
I understand having nativity towards things like thinking people will take accountability, people will see that mistakes were made, etc. I will say, I still think that many of the ones who did things that should put them in the naughty corner will eventually learn and grow from their mistakes and become better people. Regardless if it is today, tomorrow, a month from now, a year from now, etc.
I think apologizing and making amends is something valuable. Something that needs to happen more often.
By the way, I think TH-cam is trying to censor the wives instead of... You know... /joking
Its like the DRAMA never ends...
I just found this channel today. This is the second video I've watched. I don't usually watch the art commentary content, because of an issue that this video talks about: The arrogance. Not the willful, Gaston from Beauty and the Beast style arrogance, but just...the assumption of personal correctness. The people making the videos- and this happens in all commentary sectors, not just art- are so often so convinced of their own infallibility, so sure that they've got the whole story even when this is people they don't actually know or engage with. I dislike that, I like people who are willing to say 'well I might be wrong', or 'I don't have all the facts, I'm waiting to make my decision' or my personal favorite: 'everyone has made some poor choices here'. You manage to do that while also cursing, which I find an entertaining juxtaposition; "I am emotionally mature and capable of forethought and consideration...you can fucking do the same!".
A lot of your comments are already saying this, and this being a year old video you might not even bother to read this one more drop in the bucket, but I want to add another voice to those saying that wanting to believe people can or will be better is *not* stupid. Naive, sure, child *like* perhaps, but not stupid. Its called 'hope', and if more people had it and acted on it, I personally think the world would be a better place. There's something to be said for not putting ones self in danger out of goodwill for other people, but where's the danger in reserving judgment on an internet drama? I support people who treat drama situations as a collection of flawed individuals, instead of some black and white battle of the 'right' side and the 'wrong' side. Keep believing in change, keep holding out hope for people. Maybe if enough of us are willing to give chances, people will start wanting to be worth them.
*looks back at forgotten script about this shit and sweats*
Well, I don't know if I should be happy that I waited to make the video....or not.
I'll be honest.... All the BS about the art community just gives me heavy anxiety nowadays.
I guess my computer breaking down was a good thing? Anyways, great video! I'm just glad someone's talking about this stuff, even if I am not.
Taking accountability is so easy but also very hard. It's easy cause all you need to say is you messed up, you were at fault for something and that you'll learn for next time. But it's hard because saying you're at fault for something would mean that you did something wrong and people want nothing to do with being wrong so they do backwards gymnastics to make sure they still look right in some way, shape or form instead of treating a fuck up like a fuck up. Sometimes, apologies are just what you need to do. Not saying you were in a bad place or giving a bullshit excuse. Just straight up say "yeah I fucked up big time. I might have a small reason but that doesn't change that I'm at fault for this and would like to say I'm sorry. I will try to improve for next time."
Lmao, if Mark turns out to be a monster, I'd be crying for a week.
Though to get serious, I completely stand by this video. I was introduced to this community a few years ago through Ponder Sprocket, and I wasn't surprised when I saw her comment on this video. At first I thought all the drama was a nice background noise and nice way to learn through others mistakes, which I did 😅. But as I've gotten more attached (not personally) to the people in all the drama, its heart breaking. And its really sad that one of my favorite communities can't understand something so simple as accept, apologize, and adapt. I hope things get better. And I hope your words help at least some people going through all of this. Either that be first hand or as a hurt fam. Thank you 💙
no clue who these people are or what drama this is but just by listening , THANK YOU . i too am in a rather very problematic not good reputation twitter community and i am in PAIN i am so glad i am not the only one with this type of mindset
tbh this really made my day and about the shannon part, I didn't feel alone and scared anymore. thanks alot for making this video I think we all needed it :')
I think one of the issues with delivering an apology is that once you do, unless all you say is "I'm sorry I fucked up" and nothing else, and sometimes even that, people, in general, refuse to accept it even though it what you were asking for. If you try to explain your mindset, people will say the apology doesn't count because you aren't acknowledging what you did wrong/you are trying to justify it but if you don't explain anything and just say you're sorry people will accuse you of trying to sweep it under the rug. No one really knows how to accept an apology anymore and that no apology is actually perfect.
When people fight and say they don't accept your apology, that it isn't good enough, etc. it makes it that much more difficult to actually apologize. It is bad to be wrong and it is arguably even worse to try to apologize because you have people that will demand it but refuse to accept it and no matter how you try to phrase it, it seems like you will always somehow got it wrong and you get a hundred comments saying why your apology is garbage and isn't genuine.
And honestly? Sometimes it's fine to not apologize, especially if you don't genuinely feel sorry. Look at the Scott and FNAF issue that happened... everyone took issue with something that he did in his own personal life, away from his content and everyone took issue with it and wanted him to apologize, and... well he didn't. Because he wasn't sorry about his views and tbh? That's fine. He's allowed to have his own views and opinions beyond what his fans think he should have or what they personally agree with. Even though I disagree with this politics he isn't actually a bigoted person. And in regards to his politics, we only found out what we knew because someone went out of their way to dig it up.
And one of the issues with the community, even more so integrity I think is that-- and I dislike using this phrasing but-- people are sheep. They just follow whatever the most current popular opinion is and adapt it. They'll hear a line of logic from a creator they like and think "Yeah I guess that sounds right, must be true". These parasocial relationships between fans and content creators is stronger than what it used to be and I think it has been something that has been negative across multiple different communities. With the parasocial relationships, people get so wrapped up in these creators that when they express different views (not referring to Creepshow) they don't like, people tend to either crumble or mindlessly agree rather than realizing their creator is a person. And as a person, they are allowed their own lives and views separate from their content and fans, and that they don't and shouldn't need to cater to all of their fans even as a whole or generalization.
Not to mention in all of the parasocial relationships and people either crumbling completely or just mindlessly believing a creator, people tend to think in binaries or absolutes otherwise you are just a spineless and filthy "centralist", fence-sitter, someone with no morals/values, etc. It is so often discouraged to look at complex situations with nuance and criticism. The peaches drama was a complex situation but you were a creator who either defended peaches or you were critical of and against peaches... but there was no real in-between... which honestly I think was severely needed in a situation like that. You had to make up your mind on whether you were for or against peaches but not given the time to actually wait for more information to come out about the situation. You had to make a decision right then and there. Or alternatively, people weren't really allowed to just "sit out" the situation. You are either on the right side or the wrong side and often what is considered right or wrong isn't viewed through an objective lens but rather just what is more socially acceptable/popular... or whichever one had your favorite creator on it.
This has been a super long comment but... honestly, this past year really makes me glad that I had decided to lay off a youtube career this past year or so. I'm not sure if I could deal with that kind of parasocial relationship or dehumanization in the form of either being demonized if I pissed off the wrong person or was critical of something that is considered socially acceptable or idolized to the point where people thought I was damn near a literal angel walking the earth. Or where it feels like I have to base my entire identity around what views my audience may have as to not disappoint them if they get leaked or found out. I don't really want that for myself because no matter how much I would encourage my audience to be their own person, to do their own research, etc. there are always going to be those people that demonize or idolize me but very few that realize that as a creator I am still a person and I try to hold that same view towards any other content creator I enjoy... They're human. Complex humans make mistakes and honestly, some mistakes really aren't as bad as others.
I have never loved the TH-cam recommendation section in my life
Instant sub, you make your points very well for not being scripted!! I love your work, and look forwards to inevitably binge watching your videos
I stopped watching Shannon months ago, and it’s because of what I have noticed with her behavior, her attitude, and some things that came out a while back that make too much sense not to be real. Ya know?
Would you mind to elaborate? I'm genuinely curious if there is something I missed. I totally see some small red flags in her behaviour in videos, but what do you mean with things that came out that made too much sense?
SAME
I watched her content but I didn't like her as a person. She brought her personal life into her videos in places that seemed to terrible for such an topic to be put in, she seemed fake so I stopped watching and actually blocked her channel at one point. Then the Hopeless Peaches thing came out, I was dumb enough to think "maybe she's right" and stupidly stoped supporting Peaches. Now that the stalking allegations have basically been proven by HERSELF, I know that I was right in blocking her and should've just kept her blocked, especially with the Peaches drama.
I am so glad i watched this! if only people took more time to just sit back and think about all this drama before diving headfirst into it. Guess I'm kinda guilty of that by diving into comment sections but you know, we'll forget about that for now. You are an awesome creator and i love your goofiness mixed with an honest well-intended message.
That also means we sometimes pay the price for it I am also naïve and overly nice to the point where people take a vantage of my kindness and I don’t know how to stand up for myself as a result and let people run all over me
when you said it was harsh and negative I personally thought you were kidding as I saw it as just plain old constructive criticism
I always got myself into trouble for everything, but i'm just triying to be positive. They never forgive my wrongdoings so I leave them behind. So I move on with a better attitude and I change my behaviour, but it's too hard to keep up with my solutions so I'll do better in a future. Apologizing is a long journey to let someone trust or believe in words.
Not being part of a hive mind is something I've been trying to get better at. I always went from "this person is bad" to "this person actually didn't do that much wrong" through no choice of my own and just because someone I liked said this. It's happened so much especially with the Peaches drama for me to where I had to fix this problem before I do anything else hasty. Now if allegations come out I take them seriously but will wait for further information before jumping to a conclusion. Jumping at the chance has blown in the Internet's face way to often so now I'll just wait until full info or confirmation is out before making a final judgement. Same goes for petty drama. If someone did something petty and really dumb, I won't brush aside the problem and not want them to be held accountable for their behaviour but I also won't immediately drop out from watching them ever again because some else doesn't like them. Whether or not I do something should be my choice. Other people can influence me with their opinions and facts but my final judgement should base on what I feel not anyone else.
"Step back, because your bitch is about to come Bowblax up in here, reading her own god damn tweets." This made me laugh more then it should had.
MALLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII great video as always. completely agree with all your points/arguments. very well articulated too.
and amazing example of taking accountability lol. i hope more creators see this and take your advice.
Sup Mal, to be honest I think your handling of Peaches drama was more of more fair videos on the case. At least you did your own research, and came up with your own thoughts instead of repeating bullshit other spewed. I would say people seem to expect best of creators, and that's probably why some red flags in Shannon case did not stack up. Though again - this seems to be - if proven true, because we're still calling that alleged - just another case of creator ganging up on other creator in commentary community. And that's probably only a tip of an iceberg, because I don't think the participation of other creators in both Tobi and Peaches drama was in any way organic. Anyway, good vid, have a good one
I honestly really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and opinions on everything, even though this video may have been unscripted one of the things I really appreciate about you is how you handle things in such a mature fashion, I see a lot of creators jumping to one side or another, picking sides or making huge accusations and coming off as very childish but your views always come off as very mature and you're careful not to side too much with one side over another and that's something I really really respect.
In regards to the peaches situation I hope you can just move forward from it and be done with speaking about it since I know the drama seems to be neverending and I can imagine it's not fun talking or thinking about, it gives me a headache just thinking about it. But I still appreciate the two videos you initially made even if not everyone was as receptive to them. You were one of the first creators I saw who really covered the situation in a way that was mature and wasn't so much trying to demonize one person or trying to sway the audience to believe one person was evil and one was good. One thing I learned from my mom when it comes to relationships that in any conflict nobody is ever 100% right or 100% wrong, theres always blame on either side even if one person is 99% right and the other is 1% wrong, things aren't as black and white as just one person is wrong and the other is right and I think your videos really carried that theme throughout them of blame on either sides. It definitely changed my perspective on how I viewed the situation and I'm sure it had an impact on other people who viewed them as well and for that I think you should give yourself at least a small pat on the back.
In regards to the situation with Creepshow Art I just want complete honesty. If she's innocent then fine, explain the situation, show proof if necessary and move on but if she is guilty I just want her to be completely honest and transparent and own up to everything. I don't want to see her cover up her lies and then six months from now everything gets dragged up again and the drama goes round and round in circles. If things are true I hope she will own up to them and apologize and do her best to change as a person and her audience can decide for themselves whether or not they want to stick around and support her knowing the truth. I don't know the truth and I've tried not to jump to one side just yet without knowing but I do have a sinking feeling about all of this and it sucks because during a period of time when I was starting my own recovery I used to watch her video's a lot for comfort and to cheer myself up and I hope that the allegations aren't true because I want to believe she is a good person. But only time will tell what the truth is and all I can ask for is that we get complete honesty one way or another, no more lies, just the truth.
Your video was well done as always and I'm sorry for my extremely long comment but I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and feelings with everyone. ❤
YES, THIS! I'm SO glad for people like this, who are telling people to hold their horses or not take everything in bad faith! It's amazing to me how every so often a creator does a very bad thing and then everybody piles on more claims and more and more and they are being analysed to oblivion and back and they are being pained to be this inherently bad, manipulative, evil mastermind and I have a hard time buying it - if nothing else because I don't think most people are smart enough to be that devious mastermind. I have this motto for myself: if I ever have a simple answer to a complicated situation, just call me out on being in a bubble.
Is it really Mal hitting it out of the park once again??? Of course it is.
Thank you for making this, I think this was an important discussion to have and you handled it really well! With everything going on lately I think we needed a fresh perspective on everything.
And as always, the art is absolutely adorable. Thank you for making this, Mal!
I'd say stuff that you got "wrong" in the peaches drama video was just because some of the information hadn't come out yet. Plus I remember you saying alot of the information could be subject to change in the video. It's not your fault if you can't give information that doesn't exist.
Glad to see a new video! Your commentary always feels genuine so its nice to have a enjoyable voice in the void.
This is gonna be good
when you said to stop hunching, i sat up straight and my back cracked in a very satisfying way. 10/10
Thanks for reminding me to drink water 😂
You seem like a real cool person^^i don't really get into drama myself cause ..sigh I have my reasons ..you keep being you and take care ok 💖🌺and same to everyone else 🌸🌺💖
This vidoe was just an attack on me about my hydration and my bad posturse!
O.O you called me out about the water and the hunched back lordie. Good message all around. ♡
You did a great job about it, Mali. Also in your videos i found you more a chill woman went you doing commentary!
You are awesome. I strongly agree.
My whole life my gut instincts have always been correct, and when I went against them, it would result in me or my friends suffering over something that could have easily been prevented. During the entirety of the peaches drama I had a gut feeling Peaches was innocent. I didn't have all the information and well, I'm too lazy to research stuff, so I just stuck around and watched the drama play out. And I was right. Peaches made mistakes, yes, but that's the thing. PEACHES IS A HUMAN BEING WITH EMOTIONS JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. she acted on emotions and made some desicions with clouded judgement. But she owned up to it. She knew she didn't handle right. Honestly I felt horrible for her, and that whole drama is what introduced me to the cold hard fact that the art/commentary community is... Seemingly more toxic than the vocaloid community, where I mostly reside. But no matter what community you're in there will always be toxic people, so we can only do are best and try to grow strong enough that we won't let those toxic people destroy us over what is simply a stupid choice we made in our lives. I just recently messed up big time with a couple of friends. And I simply apologized. And if we never speak again, it's on me, and I accept that fact. And what's important is that I use my mistake to grow as a person.
Oh lord that was long
Like the rest of us who just want all of this to be over, I will roll one up for everyone in agreement to just chill tf out (if weed isn't your thing I got oodles of snaccs in the back) 🤗💖
Edit: yo how many stills do you have? Kinda wanna kno so I kno how many variations of emotions I should make...thank you 😊 ❤️
Hoya! I have about 50 different stills at the moment. But I plan to add more seeing as I’m missing some core emotions I want to include and touch up a few old ones that don’t get used too often as they are now.
Hope that helps!
@@MaliMalware it does thank you very much! Also I LOVE YOU!! Stay awesome 😎🤗❤️
Last time I had weed was unpleasant, a strobe effect that felt like it will last for an eternity, but I had my family there with me and they told me to breathe and it’ll get better. And thinking about this reminds me of the drama, every painful experience makes you wiser.
@@sliquidator0123 I'm sorry you had a bad experience with weed hun 🤗 altho I do agree that I've had a bad experience with it and it's definitely an accurate description of this entire situation...but i gots snaccs...you want anything?
@@HiFluffy420 whatchu got?
I do love wife romancing
I needed the spine/water reminder. thank you qwq
personaly as someone who only watches these videos, ive always had the outlook of looking at more then one video about topics on otherpeople in that community.
When it comes to drama, we as a whole cant help but want to consume it, and it would suck if someone you enjoy watching turns out to be a massive turtles nob, but its alwaysvin the same communities that are becoming so toxic with the fans and creator's.
Now all this is comeing out with Creepshow, how long has it taken people to suddenly jump on that and make videos when there isnt that much out about it? Before listening to all sides people are jumping on that, very much like the Peaches and Spoctor dramas??
I mean i still watched videos by the mentioned people because i enjoy their content, what i didnt enjoy is all these people just going on about how these creator's should die or get off the internet.
We as an audiance need to be better then some hive mind of jumping on waggons of hate.
😍 hope you're doing ok and you drank your water. Also i don't know how to say that your video is great !
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BURNING TO THE GROUND
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HELLO NUGGET! IT'S A LOVELY DAY ISN'T IT???
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GREAT VIDEO!!!
Why did you give me mental anxiety? I’m serious
Honestly I don't get the deal with drama channels. Drama TH-camrs are like MY LIFE IS SO BORING I WATCH OTHER PEOPLE FAIL AS ENTERTAINMENT
On final thoughts, you reminded me that the cringe 'bring back old gacha' is just how people perceived it, gacha was cringe back then, can be still now.-
why don't you have more subscribers???
Great video!
I think it is wise to take a step back and play the neutral route. In terms of CSA, I can only comment as an individual that works in IT and knows about IP's and the information that is shared between devices, networks and cookies on forums, even if done anonymously... and it is a bad look, you cannot spoof the IP's for about three years or cookies. I want to outline though, that I don't think this makes CSA a bad person if she did it, maybe a little crummy, intolerant, and mean, but perhaps she was using this as a means to release frustration and self-hatred. Some people write letters and never send them as a form of therapy so nobody gets hurt and maybe Shannon was doing that through the anonymous postings. They were supposed to stay anonymous, it was just the admins that revoked anonymity due to rules being broken, which has been done with other creators as well, so nobody was supposed to be hurt. At least, that is what I will tell myself until something is properly said. If not and it can be proven in a logical way to account for everything from devices mac addresses, IP's, cookies, and more, that it was the stalker, get that person on the CIA or FBI, that is some next level hacking and I will have to take my hat off to her. A bad person or not, that is an incredible feat.
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