Cedric the Entertainer said he saw the St Lunatics perform in the late 90s, and it was obvious that Nelly was the star of the group. Whether or not Ali is telling the truth, history has already proven that Nelly has that charismatic X factor that makes someone famous and Ali doesn't. Talent doesn't necessarily make you famous. You need to possess magnetic star power from your persona.
Im from STL and saw the tics in various concerts before they came up back then nelly didnt have that style he had during his prime he rapped fast. No one stood out during that time. The first time i heard nelly new flow was when he released country grammar locally. We thought it was somebody else. The song blew up in STL then everybody knew who Nell was the star of the group.
If things would've worked Ali's way, then the St Lunatics album would've come first. Then producers, executives, and agents would've seen Nelly as the star of the group and offered him lucrative solo deals. The other members would've gotten offered less exciting solo deals. Soooo, pretty much the same thing would've happened. Just in a different order. I.e. Justin Timberlake and N*Sync, Beyonce and Destiny's Child, Sting and The Police, etc.
@@kevinmiller2210 fascinating! I bet it took some time for Nelly to find himself as an artist. He probably owes some of that to Ali. Nevertheless, it certainly seems like Nelly did what he could to help Ali and the other Tics.
Yea that nelly interview sounded way more believable than all the subsequent stories ali has told.. the b high interview and his livestream were 2 examples of him lying hard.. and hes been slandering nelly on ig since
I agree. Nelly sounds more of the truth than Ali’s. also remember, nelly is up and still doing well to this day and can’t say the same about ALI. Therefore, nelly don’t really have no reason to make up a lie to prove his point or to gain anything when he already has everything
@@blessed2950 I'm a fan of the Ali, Nelly, Kijuan and Murph, City Spud. I also understand where Ali is coming from. You clearly can't. You people run with the same narrative every time somebody speaks out after all these years. Y'all never question the star.
Nelly and Ali both had essential roles in the St. Lunatics, and it's interesting to hear their individual stories and perspectives. It's clear that time has changed a lot, and emotions run deep. We must remember that fame and success can strain relationships, especially in a group dynamic. Let's celebrate the music and talent they brought to the game rather than dwelling on the disagreements. 🎶💯
Let's celebrate the hand full of hit songs at best... just shows time and time again how you always need to have at the very least an agreement written in paper and signed.. to avoid all misunderstandings.. To this day, it keeps repeating itself over n over .... Nelly not the first snake nor will he be the last... it is what it is... if u know u know... BUT AGAIN JUST ONE GUY'S OPINION
Nelly outgrew Buddy and Buddy didn't know how to handle it. This interview does more for Nelly than Ali. You can't coach if you still dream of being a star player.
@bernelhall4293 You can't even sit and listen to the damn interview. ....You believe whatever the most popular person has to say as if they have no faults
That Nelly interview was hilarious and entertaining. The thing with Ali, just from observation, before the Lunatics got big on he always held himself in high regard. His people said he was the man, locally. But when they got out in the world, it was Nelly. Ali probably has some resentment towards that, and its understandable why he would...
He definitely has some resentment towards that. Ali was the leader of the group but nelly was the real deal with gifted talent and he outshined ALI. that definitely created some type of animosity towards nelly
@@blessed2950it's natural the person who blows up always think they better than the rest & don't know them nomore. But the same people u meet coming u meet coming down that's facts
@@BlackWomenAreTheSmartest I wouldn’t say they always think they better because I am not them, I can’t read peoples mind and you have to be mindful that everyone’s different. but if we keep it all the way one hundred if a person blows up that automatically indicates that they are better either we like to admit it or not. Its just that everyone has a different outcome in their career.
Ali keeps saying he was just wanted to help the others but low key he just wants his props, when you keep saying you did all this stuff but then say I was just helping them
Nelly was 100% right!!! This nigga is all over the place with his answers lol. All these guys were talented, but Nelly was the star ⭐️ and this dude is jealous because he felt it should be him. Nelly and 50 are the only dudes in rap history to try their best to put they teams on. And when things don’t go their way, they play the blame game. You can tell by Nelly actions he wasn’t selfish and wanted the best for his team.
Was Florence Ballard jealous of Diana Ross? Was Jermaine jealous of Michael(RIP)? Was PHIFE (RIP) jealous of Q Tip? Was Charlie Brown jealous of Busta Rhymes? Was Wyclef jealous of Lauryn Hill? That's part of the journey, especially when you were first considered the most talented....
@@kendricjonrs8581i get what you’re trying to say, but that charlie brown and busta rhymes was a bad analogy.. they were beefing heavy because CB was jealous of BR.. they’ve had physical fights and all during the LOTNS run
@@ChaseVercetti I'm not attempting; nor trying, I said it. The fact that Charlie Brown actually started Leaders Of The New School and it ended up; hand to hand with him and Busta does zero to dispel my inference, and does everything to expound/fortify my inference.
That’s how you kno that ppl be lying because they use too much filler than just getting straight to the point so you don’t realize they didn’t even answer the question lol smart way to spin
I clearly caught how he stated Nelly as Kyjuan's best friend and not his he even mentioned by his real name yea he still upset with Nelly cause he said him and City were the original hustlers from day one
We can't rewrite history. The St Lunatics had a legendary run and the whole city was behind them.From old ladies in Clayton and Chesterfield to the hoods near Fairgrounds and the Northside everyone was behind them. It seemed meant to be because The Rams even won the Super Bowl the year the album dropped. Ali put the whole thing together though and everyone in St Louis knows who were around back then. I think Nelly just reached heights that even he didn't think was possible however I believe Ali saw endless potential in him as well as the group. But people WILL switch up when they're splitting a quarter billion out of nowhere I guarantee you that. It's unfortunate they can't work it out because they really had a family like chemistry and they are legends for putting St Louis on the map. Salute to the brother Ali. He was definitely flamboyant in his prime but he was a gifted business mind and no matter what he was apart of history and his voice and story should be heard. Hopefully they see how 50 Cent is selling out on tour because I definitely believe that The Lunatics could go on tour internationally and sellout various venues they had a ton of hits and are still played to this day and a closeout show in St Louis would definitely sell if promoted properly
Good interview but you tell by the answers dude hella selfish self absorbed and the type to think his way is the only way and that vibe doesn’t work in any group and you can see why they broke up
The reason why I don’t believe him is because he takes credit for literally everything. Alis own best friend literally set in Nellys interview and didnt refute anything Nelly said
You crazy. The whole Midwest bought his album. You wasn't hip enough to bump that type of rap obviously. Mfs all in Kansas and Chicago was bumping it. Don't lie to yourself
@@darquilhowardable no you didn't. You not important enough to even for mfs to care about yo opinion. Smh. You can't talk for my real family and people around the world. Wtf
I just heard Nelly whole side of the story let me save y’all some time……Ali was still in that bad publishing deal that they all signed when the record company owned 100% of their publishing in 97 or whatever yr but when country grammar came out Nelly was the only one to buy his publishing back for $75,000 that he didn’t have universal paid for it….so when it came to Ali admitting to writing some of the songs on country grammar he didn’t say anything because of the company he was signed too back in the day still owned 100% of his publishing therefor they would get paid for his part of the publishing on “Country Grammer” so basically he is mad at Nelly because he feels he should basically had paid him under the table….but this the tricky part Ali was in a rush to sign that bad deal back in the day and Nelly signed it last because he was skeptical knowing it was bad business but still signed it but had to buy his way out of it later on down the line….now Ali is coming out saying he wrote it all which may be true but Nelly not denying that he had a part of writing on the album basically Ali is butt hurt I’m sure he made more than enough off Nelly from 03-2018 he just in his feelings because they fell out😂💯
Life is definitely to short thats why you move forward and not backwards. You grow out of people. Im sure you have friends that were once cool but you grew apart
@@mellysworld9584 Yes, Domino just didn't rep St.Louis hard like Nelly did. Back then St.Louis was considered a country bump town. A lot of stars came from here they just don't speak on it much.
@@thehighestviewisbest8774 I stayed a summer in St. Louis. My Aunt Lived in Florrisant and my sister stayed in university City. One of the best summers I've ever had in my life!
@@mellysworld9584 Yeah it's a good place to raise a family. Honestly it was more fun in the 90's we had a lot less crime, overall still not a bad place to live. Glad you enjoyed yourself while you were here!
@@thehighestviewisbest8774 WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Irrelevant where Domino was born. It's all about where he was. He was a Long Beach Crip, making music for the first Bloods & Crips album, before he became Domino.
Ali was the St. Lunatic most favored to have success like Nelly but his album only made it to #24 on Bill Board but Murphy Lee went platinum and his song "shake your tail feather" won a Grammy.
Murphy’s album went Gold and not platinum. Shake you Your Tail Feather was on the Bad Boy soundtrack as well, which went platinum. That song blew up because of Nelly and Puff.
Im from St. Louis and know all of them. Nelly not really a people's person, he dont like people in face. Murphy is the people's person, good spirit, always in a good mood. Ali was like the OG, big bruh. I think Ali destiny was stay behind scenes, CEO type. A Birdman type. Do an album for like fun. The rappers were Murphy & Nelly. Nelly chrisma, stage presence separates him. But Murphy is actually the best rapper lyrically. I just seen Nelly on the 4th fucked up they at were they at. But they changed the Loo. What they had what today's St. Louis rapper don't have. The song writing. Hooks. Younger St. Louis rappers sound like Chicago. The reasons why we aint been successful since Lunatics and Chingy.
The crazy part is a lot of people miss the point. He’s not hating on Nelly at all. He describing what happened and the history behind it all. How there was bad business, egos, etc. You would have something to say too if you produced, wrote songs, bought everyone together and got no credit. Yes Nelly was the star but people always forget about what it took and who was behind Nelly for him to even being a star. Then confuse the back story as hating smh.
How did he not though? He was benefiting for over 20 years. He was ceo of Nellys label and released two studio albums. The only reason he signed it away before Nelly even got the deal. Nelly even paid them out his own pocket. Where did they not benefit? Hell Ali arguably even benefited the longest because he and Nelly fell out in 2020 and they were still traveling and doing shows together until then.
You should watch Nelly’s interview on how the group started it is a very different story coming from nelly. Nelly said they started the group in school before they met Ali… Ali was they last to join. The rest of the group members side with nelly how the group was created. He did not bring them together 😂
If you look back at the Country Grammar video, Nelly’s charisma was magnetic. He was a STAR! The label knew it, Cudda Love knew it. THIS was lightning in a bottle. At this time, no one was sounding like Nelly. So when it’s all said and done…Ali wouldn’t be doing this interview if it wasn’t for Nelly. They would have just been a local or regional group. The group knew backing Nelly and putting their ALL into Nelly’s first album was their SHOT. They all wrote and contributed to Country Grammar. And it worked, and everyone was happy. Then 10 to 20 years later…the budget decreased…and Nelly is the only one getting performance anr TV requests..etc….and Nelly couldn’t take everyone on a $50,000 gig…..somewhere along the way…the rest of the group should have monetized being a Lunatic or taking advantage of traveling around the world and meeting the biggest artists in the music biz. Not taking sides…the group is legendary…but not everyone should have had an exit plan. Nelly didn’t need an exit plan, because he can make six figures easy off of Country Grammar’s 10th, 20th, 25th anniversary etc. They should have sat down and figured out how EVERYONE eats forever…even if Nelly was still getting the biggest piece of the pie. I don’t think that ever happened…and here we are on Vlad TV
I was at music industry seminar around them back in 1998 sponsored by Majic 108 FM. Executive from Laface records was there. Gimme what you got played everyday locally. I looked up Nelly got signed to Universal in 2000
MURPH!? WHY YOU LETTING POPPAJOHNSPIZZALEZZI SPEAK FOR YOU!? BUT YOU SAYING YOU WANT THE GROUP BACK!? THIS SHOULD OFFICIALLY LET YOU TWO KNOW THAT SINCE HE KNOW NELLY ABSOLUTELY NOT EVER GONNA FUCK WITH HIM!! SO ON THE BACK END HE THROWS Y'ALL UNDER THE BUS!! REALLY LISTEN BETWEEN THE LINES
They love to keep drama going and there was no drama to begin with. They’re trying to help someone who isn’t in the industry and want Nelly to help the individual but no one can. Ali needs to tend to his own life and stop causing problems. He’s a bully!
But not going lie Ali was smart saying we not going gang bang or gun play in raps it worked ! It’s refreshing to hear rappers rap and not always have to be doing drugs or blowing ppl heads off or the opps what happened to getting fly and getting girls ?
Exactly, from hearing his Story and hearing Nellys side.. this guy just wanted to Ride off the Team/Talent anyway since he wasnt in the group at first & wanted to just "Manage". Then All those guys had Offers on the table to be Stars, Only Nelly & Murphy Lee took that opportunity.
This is cap. You signed 100% of the groups publishing away based on this song and threatened to take Nelly off the track because of a reference track? This is a lie.
My biggest question is if Ali knowingly and willfully signed the bad contract and told Nelly that he would be able to get him out of it, then why couldn't Ali get himself out of the contract? Because it seems to me that the only reason why Ali wasn't eating good off the saint lunatics music is because he signed over 100% of all future royalties to those shysters who signed him. So how is this Nellys fault that he's not being paid?
That ruins the narrative 😕...anything he contributed off the country grammar project went str8 to the local production company that he signed a bad deal with. Notice how he said in this interview that he skimmed the music business book kind like how he skimmed his own contract 😏😏😏. And if all this is true, why you need Nelly assistance for your album, you the mastermind behind the talent. What are you gaining from slandering Nelly publicly????? He helped all his guys get record deals and took money 💰 out of his deal to pay for the verses you wanted money upfront for smh. Man Nelly pretty much went above and beyond holding yall down, son just ain't capitalize.
Nelly was apart of what made that great and because of the st.lunatics and ali they got a deal ali fought because D2 Entertainment originally thought nelly wasn't going to fit but ali was the one who said if nelly leave we leave
How do you put on everybody around you But you don’t have shit 💩 now it’s 20 years later and now you trying to figure everything out Like you just woke up out a 20 year comma
Ali - "They comin to see the group"
"A'INT NOBODY COME TO SEE YOU ALI" - David Ruffin's voice 😂😂
😂
😮😅😅
1. Ali is always the hero & genius in every story lol.
2. That nelly interview is still on TH-cam.
I remember chingy saying ALI really wanna be where NELLY at but he suck! I seen from this interview that it’s very true what he said 😂😂😂
Naw fr I said the same
That was from the Beef documentary. It was either Beef III or IV.
😂😂
Cedric the Entertainer said he saw the St Lunatics perform in the late 90s, and it was obvious that Nelly was the star of the group. Whether or not Ali is telling the truth, history has already proven that Nelly has that charismatic X factor that makes someone famous and Ali doesn't. Talent doesn't necessarily make you famous. You need to possess magnetic star power from your persona.
Ced was capping
You also need to take part in rituals to ensure your loyalty.... If that's cool to you I already know where your intelligence is at🤔🇹🇹
Im from STL and saw the tics in various concerts before they came up back then nelly didnt have that style he had during his prime he rapped fast. No one stood out during that time. The first time i heard nelly new flow was when he released country grammar locally. We thought it was somebody else. The song blew up in STL then everybody knew who Nell was the star of the group.
If things would've worked Ali's way, then the St Lunatics album would've come first. Then producers, executives, and agents would've seen Nelly as the star of the group and offered him lucrative solo deals. The other members would've gotten offered less exciting solo deals. Soooo, pretty much the same thing would've happened. Just in a different order. I.e. Justin Timberlake and N*Sync, Beyonce and Destiny's Child, Sting and The Police, etc.
@@kevinmiller2210 fascinating! I bet it took some time for Nelly to find himself as an artist. He probably owes some of that to Ali. Nevertheless, it certainly seems like Nelly did what he could to help Ali and the other Tics.
Any grown ass man using zodiac signs to justify any of his actions ain’t to be trusted 😂
Facts.
Y’all be buggin with this, let ppl believe what they want too, it’s not affecting nobody
I can’t take any grown ass man serious that do that lol
There is some Science behind that Zodiac shii so it's not completely off
@joshuacharles4403 right people knock what they don't understand
🤣🤣 Nelly told you not to drop Boughetto.. BRICK! 🧱
How could Nelly have told so many lies, but his story was 95% accurate. The math don't add up. Also, that interview is still on TH-cam.
Yea that nelly interview sounded way more believable than all the subsequent stories ali has told.. the b high interview and his livestream were 2 examples of him lying hard.. and hes been slandering nelly on ig since
I agree. Nelly sounds more of the truth than Ali’s. also remember, nelly is up and still doing well to this day and can’t say the same about ALI. Therefore, nelly don’t really have no reason to make up a lie to prove his point or to gain anything when he already has everything
@ericnathaniel5967 Because you a fan boy as if people can't spin even the story how they want to frame it.
@@1stnamebr406 I’m guessing you must be Ali fan. well, I guess we can say the same thing about him too then.
@@blessed2950 I'm a fan of the Ali, Nelly, Kijuan and Murph, City Spud. I also understand where Ali is coming from. You clearly can't. You people run with the same narrative every time somebody speaks out after all these years. Y'all never question the star.
Nelly and Ali both had essential roles in the St. Lunatics, and it's interesting to hear their individual stories and perspectives. It's clear that time has changed a lot, and emotions run deep. We must remember that fame and success can strain relationships, especially in a group dynamic. Let's celebrate the music and talent they brought to the game rather than dwelling on the disagreements. 🎶💯
Preach 🫡
Well said.
Most sensible reply I've seen in these comments... Salute.🙏🇹🇹
Let's celebrate the hand full of hit songs at best...
just shows time and time again how you always need to have at the very least an agreement written in paper and signed.. to avoid all misunderstandings.. To this day, it keeps repeating itself over n over .... Nelly not the first snake nor will he be the last... it is what it is... if u know u know...
BUT AGAIN JUST ONE GUY'S OPINION
No I want to hear the raw uncut story. Nothing is perfect
Nelly outgrew Buddy and Buddy didn't know how to handle it. This interview does more for Nelly than Ali. You can't coach if you still dream of being a star player.
@bernelhall4293 You can't even sit and listen to the damn interview. ....You believe whatever the most popular person has to say as if they have no faults
That Nelly interview was hilarious and entertaining. The thing with Ali, just from observation, before the Lunatics got big on he always held himself in high regard. His people said he was the man, locally. But when they got out in the world, it was Nelly. Ali probably has some resentment towards that, and its understandable why he would...
He definitely has some resentment towards that. Ali was the leader of the group but nelly was the real deal with gifted talent and he outshined ALI. that definitely created some type of animosity towards nelly
@@blessed2950it's natural the person who blows up always think they better than the rest & don't know them nomore. But the same people u meet coming u meet coming down that's facts
@@BlackWomenAreTheSmartest I wouldn’t say they always think they better because I am not them, I can’t read peoples mind and you have to be mindful that everyone’s different. but if we keep it all the way one hundred if a person blows up that automatically indicates that they are better either we like to admit it or not. Its just that everyone has a different outcome in their career.
@@blessed2950 No he don't. Ya''ll say anything.
He who has the sack rules
Wasn’t nobody checking for damn Ali 🤣🤣
When he wrong he go around the whole question 😂😂 and make you forget what you asked him 😂😂 if lying was a person 😅😅😅
FACTS!!!
This happens all the time in the music industry. This is epitome of what a Ghost writer is 🗣️🗣️
Shout out to Ali for being apart of Saint Louis history.
Give this man his flowers..
Ali keeps saying he was just wanted to help the others but low key he just wants his props, when you keep saying you did all this stuff but then say I was just helping them
Nelly was 100% right!!! This nigga is all over the place with his answers lol.
All these guys were talented, but Nelly was the star ⭐️ and this dude is jealous because he felt it should be him. Nelly and 50 are the only dudes in rap history to try their best to put they teams on. And when things don’t go their way, they play the blame game. You can tell by Nelly actions he wasn’t selfish and wanted the best for his team.
Facts
Was Florence Ballard jealous of
Diana Ross?
Was Jermaine
jealous of Michael(RIP)?
Was PHIFE (RIP) jealous of
Q Tip?
Was Charlie Brown jealous of
Busta Rhymes?
Was Wyclef jealous of
Lauryn Hill?
That's part of the journey, especially when you were first
considered the most talented....
@@kendricjonrs8581i get what you’re trying to say, but that charlie brown and busta rhymes was a bad analogy.. they were beefing heavy because CB was jealous of BR.. they’ve had physical fights and all during the LOTNS run
No rapper don't have a team. This cap lol
@@ChaseVercetti I'm not
attempting;
nor trying,
I said it.
The fact that
Charlie Brown actually started
Leaders Of The New School
and it ended up;
hand to hand with him and
Busta does zero to dispel my inference,
and does everything to
expound/fortify my inference.
That’s how you kno that ppl be lying because they use too much filler than just getting straight to the point so you don’t realize they didn’t even answer the question lol smart way to spin
I clearly caught how he stated Nelly as Kyjuan's best friend and not his he even mentioned by his real name yea he still upset with Nelly cause he said him and City were the original hustlers from day one
We can't rewrite history. The St Lunatics had a legendary run and the whole city was behind them.From old ladies in Clayton and Chesterfield to the hoods near Fairgrounds and the Northside everyone was behind them. It seemed meant to be because The Rams even won the Super Bowl the year the album dropped. Ali put the whole thing together though and everyone in St Louis knows who were around back then. I think Nelly just reached heights that even he didn't think was possible however I believe Ali saw endless potential in him as well as the group. But people WILL switch up when they're splitting a quarter billion out of nowhere I guarantee you that. It's unfortunate they can't work it out because they really had a family like chemistry and they are legends for putting St Louis on the map. Salute to the brother Ali. He was definitely flamboyant in his prime but he was a gifted business mind and no matter what he was apart of history and his voice and story should be heard. Hopefully they see how 50 Cent is selling out on tour because I definitely believe that The Lunatics could go on tour internationally and sellout various venues they had a ton of hits and are still played to this day and a closeout show in St Louis would definitely sell if promoted properly
Facts 💯
Facts 💯 I'm from STL born and raised.
@@diva146 me too 💪🏽
This is exactly how I see it.
Nelly had a legendary run the st lunatics never even dropped cut it out you 🧢
Ali is an intelligent brother and I know a lot of what he sayin is goin over people's heads
Not over mines im too intelligant for dat
Good interview but you tell by the answers dude hella selfish self absorbed and the type to think his way is the only way and that vibe doesn’t work in any group and you can see why they broke up
The reason why I don’t believe him is because he takes credit for literally everything. Alis own best friend literally set in Nellys interview and didnt refute anything Nelly said
I was thinking the same thang...
Nobody in history has listened to an Ali song of it wasn’t against their will. Dude is crazy.
I agree 💯
You crazy. The whole Midwest bought his album. You wasn't hip enough to bump that type of rap obviously. Mfs all in Kansas and Chicago was bumping it. Don't lie to yourself
@@Truetv1 no we didn’t 😂😂
@@darquilhowardable no you didn't. You not important enough to even for mfs to care about yo opinion. Smh. You can't talk for my real family and people around the world. Wtf
Ali solo album had a couple of cuts
Dude said, “he’s a Scorpio! He stung me!”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂
dude aged quick as hell
He’s 50
@@VirgosKnowEverythingit’s 50 year olds who look 35-40
I like the quick Silk Smooth reference...another St. Louis MC💪💯
Nelly looking at this interview with a smirk 😏 dat boy will not give up
I just heard Nelly whole side of the story let me save y’all some time……Ali was still in that bad publishing deal that they all signed when the record company owned 100% of their publishing in 97 or whatever yr but when country grammar came out Nelly was the only one to buy his publishing back for $75,000 that he didn’t have universal paid for it….so when it came to Ali admitting to writing some of the songs on country grammar he didn’t say anything because of the company he was signed too back in the day still owned 100% of his publishing therefor they would get paid for his part of the publishing on “Country Grammer” so basically he is mad at Nelly because he feels he should basically had paid him under the table….but this the tricky part Ali was in a rush to sign that bad deal back in the day and Nelly signed it last because he was skeptical knowing it was bad business but still signed it but had to buy his way out of it later on down the line….now Ali is coming out saying he wrote it all which may be true but Nelly not denying that he had a part of writing on the album basically Ali is butt hurt I’m sure he made more than enough off Nelly from 03-2018 he just in his feelings because they fell out😂💯
4 mins in & bruh ain’t said a damn thing 😂
Dope interview… wish they could put their differences aside… life too short … but ego be in the way and blind us all
Life is definitely to short thats why you move forward and not backwards. You grow out of people. Im sure you have friends that were once cool but you grew apart
People always leave out Domino(Sweet Potato Pie). He was actually one of the first to make it out of St.Louis.
I loved his flow! I had no idea he was from St. Louis!
@@mellysworld9584 Yes, Domino just didn't rep St.Louis hard like Nelly did. Back then St.Louis was considered a country bump town. A lot of stars came from here they just don't speak on it much.
@@thehighestviewisbest8774 I stayed a summer in St. Louis. My Aunt Lived in Florrisant and my sister stayed in university City. One of the best summers I've ever had in my life!
@@mellysworld9584 Yeah it's a good place to raise a family. Honestly it was more fun in the 90's we had a lot less crime, overall still not a bad place to live. Glad you enjoyed yourself while you were here!
@@thehighestviewisbest8774 WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Irrelevant where Domino was born. It's all about where he was. He was a Long Beach Crip, making music for the first Bloods & Crips album, before he became Domino.
Ali was the St. Lunatic most favored to have success like Nelly but his album only made it to #24 on Bill Board but Murphy Lee went platinum and his song "shake your tail feather" won a Grammy.
Idk who favored him.. it was clear murph was the other star
Nelly favored him and was blowing up Ali's name since Ali was signed to Nelly's Derrty records.@@UptownWatta
@@UptownWatta Murphy Lee had 1 lil hit. so other star idk about dat one
Ali said that was his song too
Murphy’s album went Gold and not platinum. Shake you Your Tail Feather was on the Bad Boy soundtrack as well, which went platinum. That song blew up because of Nelly and Puff.
Jealousy is a bad drug
Im from St. Louis and know all of them. Nelly not really a people's person, he dont like people in face. Murphy is the people's person, good spirit, always in a good mood. Ali was like the OG, big bruh. I think Ali destiny was stay behind scenes, CEO type. A Birdman type. Do an album for like fun. The rappers were Murphy & Nelly. Nelly chrisma, stage presence separates him. But Murphy is actually the best rapper lyrically. I just seen Nelly on the 4th fucked up they at were they at. But they changed the Loo. What they had what today's St. Louis rapper don't have. The song writing. Hooks. Younger St. Louis rappers sound like Chicago. The reasons why we aint been successful since Lunatics and Chingy.
What about Keyaun
No disrespect but keyuan is a lyricist. But he be jamming with the group @@911Nails
The crazy part is a lot of people miss the point. He’s not hating on Nelly at all. He describing what happened and the history behind it all. How there was bad business, egos, etc. You would have something to say too if you produced, wrote songs, bought everyone together and got no credit. Yes Nelly was the star but people always forget about what it took and who was behind Nelly for him to even being a star. Then confuse the back story as hating smh.
How did he not though? He was benefiting for over 20 years. He was ceo of Nellys label and released two studio albums. The only reason he signed it away before Nelly even got the deal. Nelly even paid them out his own pocket. Where did they not benefit? Hell Ali arguably even benefited the longest because he and Nelly fell out in 2020 and they were still traveling and doing shows together until then.
You should watch Nelly’s interview on how the group started it is a very different story coming from nelly. Nelly said they started the group in school before they met Ali… Ali was they last to join. The rest of the group members side with nelly how the group was created. He did not bring them together 😂
He's way too detailed i believe him
If you look back at the Country Grammar video, Nelly’s charisma was magnetic. He was a STAR! The label knew it, Cudda Love knew it. THIS was lightning in a bottle. At this time, no one was sounding like Nelly. So when it’s all said and done…Ali wouldn’t be doing this interview if it wasn’t for Nelly. They would have just been a local or regional group. The group knew backing Nelly and putting their ALL into Nelly’s first album was their SHOT. They all wrote and contributed to Country Grammar. And it worked, and everyone was happy. Then 10 to 20 years later…the budget decreased…and Nelly is the only one getting performance anr TV requests..etc….and Nelly couldn’t take everyone on a $50,000 gig…..somewhere along the way…the rest of the group should have monetized being a Lunatic or taking advantage of traveling around the world and meeting the biggest artists in the music biz. Not taking sides…the group is legendary…but not everyone should have had an exit plan. Nelly didn’t need an exit plan, because he can make six figures easy off of Country Grammar’s 10th, 20th, 25th anniversary etc. They should have sat down and figured out how EVERYONE eats forever…even if Nelly was still getting the biggest piece of the pie. I don’t think that ever happened…and here we are on Vlad TV
Yeah I’m wit Nelly on this
WTF look 30 years older than his last interview
Rest In Peace Goldie...🙏🏿
Who is that one of the St Lunatics??
Bro nobody ever said “m
Put on that Ali cd”
Heavy starch was dumpster juice
All in the videos all at the shows
MAN I LOVE DEM GUYS NO MATTER WHAT ST. LOUIS WE HERE❤
Nah this ain’t Ali boy aged fast since the last one.
Very detailed explanation of how he made records, i love it
Now this is education at its finest I appreciate this. Great motivation
NELLY RECEIVED GRAMMYS 🏆🏆🏆
Im still waiting on the city free album ,,,
Same release date as detox
@@willstaywinning😂😂
He’s a Scorpio he stung me 😂😂😂
Lmao fse
That song definitely was NOT the first 16 bar song from St. Louis
I was at music industry seminar around them back in 1998 sponsored by Majic 108 FM. Executive from Laface records was there. Gimme what you got played everyday locally. I looked up Nelly got signed to Universal in 2000
U want him to be lying cause Nelly became a superstar is crazy
Ain’t no body waking out because Ali didn’t show up 😂
He should copyright “yanasayinnnnn” 😂
One of my favorite stories n Hip-Hop is Murphy and kewon and Nelly getting patted down and search because of their lyrics😂
Being from st louis and from this Era I can tell u that Ali was the visionary but Nelly was always popular before the group blue up
MURPH!? WHY YOU LETTING POPPAJOHNSPIZZALEZZI SPEAK FOR YOU!? BUT YOU SAYING YOU WANT THE GROUP BACK!? THIS SHOULD OFFICIALLY LET YOU TWO KNOW THAT SINCE HE KNOW NELLY ABSOLUTELY NOT EVER GONNA FUCK WITH HIM!! SO ON THE BACK END HE THROWS Y'ALL UNDER THE BUS!! REALLY LISTEN BETWEEN THE LINES
He all over the place with his shit!! Someone give him a hug!! Bro!! You didn't get your publishing together my boi!!
Vlad hate Joe Budden so much, Vlad went to the future to interview Ice
Ice ain't doing no interviews... He don't give a fuck
GREAT INTERVIEW
Bruh they need to just drop the biopic of the lunatics…
They love to keep drama going and there was no drama to begin with. They’re trying to help someone who isn’t in the industry and want Nelly to help the individual but no one can. Ali needs to tend to his own life and stop causing problems. He’s a bully!
Wth, that’s Ali from the ’Tics?? Gotdamn, I thought that was Bebe Winans.
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Ali had that magic BOOK 😂 that probably went over yall head !
He must’ve found puns rhyme book 😩😩😩🤦🏾♂️
Ali talks entirely too much…just rambles!!!! This interview will be over in 2024
Lol 22 minutes long.
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I can t wait to see what he says about the chingy beef
Never heard one person play any Ali…..ever….not once.
Me and Sonny in the Escalade, tv where your head lay📣📣📣
I don't know who's worst, Ali or Dame Dash. Two men who don't take accountability.
But not going lie Ali was smart saying we not going gang bang or gun play in raps it worked ! It’s refreshing to hear rappers rap and not always have to be doing drugs or blowing ppl heads off or the opps what happened to getting fly and getting girls ?
Is he making this up on the spot
Just get to the part about Nelly so we can get along with our day damn bro Ali been hating on nelly
I know he said it 43 times but Im still unclear...... did the record start out as an example???
Yes
These are the delusions of grandeur that rick James was talking about.😂😂
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Peace to the good Brother Power, Interview is way overdue
Nelly was smart to leave these bums... they had no star power, maybe murphy lee but other than that.
That's true
Why y’all always meat eat the dude with the money? Like niggas with paper can do no wrong in you niggas eyes 😂
Exactly, from hearing his Story and hearing Nellys side.. this guy just wanted to Ride off the Team/Talent anyway since he wasnt in the group at first & wanted to just "Manage". Then All those guys had Offers on the table to be Stars, Only Nelly & Murphy Lee took that opportunity.
You can tell on that song Nelly was the more talented rapper Ali has to be delusional to not have known that
He can tell you how make a hit wit no hits 😩😩😩😩
He need to go teach a music class to middle schoolers
Ali coo coo for coco pops . He doesn’t ever make sense in he interviews?! Wtf is he talking about 🥹
Nobody gives bone thugs credit for their influence
Yes they do lol
So basically, he's saying he taught Nelly and the other guys how to flow😂😂😂😂
This is cap. You signed 100% of the groups publishing away based on this song and threatened to take Nelly off the track because of a reference track? This is a lie.
Ain’t nobody literally sitting down for a year talking about no flo
Nelly just sold half his catalog for 50 million you need a cut of that
My biggest question is if Ali knowingly and willfully signed the bad contract and told Nelly that he would be able to get him out of it, then why couldn't Ali get himself out of the contract? Because it seems to me that the only reason why Ali wasn't eating good off the saint lunatics music is because he signed over 100% of all future royalties to those shysters who signed him. So how is this Nellys fault that he's not being paid?
That ruins the narrative 😕...anything he contributed off the country grammar project went str8 to the local production company that he signed a bad deal with. Notice how he said in this interview that he skimmed the music business book kind like how he skimmed his own contract 😏😏😏. And if all this is true, why you need Nelly assistance for your album, you the mastermind behind the talent. What are you gaining from slandering Nelly publicly????? He helped all his guys get record deals and took money 💰 out of his deal to pay for the verses you wanted money upfront for smh. Man Nelly pretty much went above and beyond holding yall down, son just ain't capitalize.
Nelly was the michael of the group, while ali was the jermaine mixed with some joe jackson from the group
ALI WE NEED YOU TO USE LESS WORDS AND GET TO THE POINT!!! YOU PROBABLY SEND LONG TEXTS TOO
A opinion isn’t a lie Ali…
You can tell this man really know music
Nelly’s interview is still up lol
I enjoy his interviews. This is how you tell ya story
Ayo I remember Ali had an album out called Heavy Starch . Ali & Quentin Miller both have similar stories
He was the manager but the manager put his song out ? So u was part manager with other managers ? I dont know fam
Damn he looks so old now him and Nelly looks night and day
I ain’t never seen no 22 minute clips for in here. It must be boring cause Vlad just tryna get this interview out the way.
I hate when ppl do this interviews and 98% of the questions is based on ppl they’re not in good terms with
Nelly was apart of what made that great and because of the st.lunatics and ali they got a deal ali fought because D2 Entertainment originally thought nelly wasn't going to fit but ali was the one who said if nelly leave we leave
I don't know why they organize the country grammar movie to tell tbe story of the st.lunatics
How do you put on everybody around you
But you don’t have shit 💩 now it’s 20 years later and now you trying to figure everything out
Like you just woke up out a 20 year comma