Kaya Cast Vacuum Casting Machine HONEST review by VOGMAN
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- A look at the Kaya Casting System produced by Arbe Manufacturing in the USA. This tabletop system is designed to vacuum investment powder and liquid metal, all in an integrated unit.
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Available in the UK here:
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mine is arriving today. so excited
Excellent video Mr. Great cast! I've been using that exact same machine for years. You're correct when you state it is well built and reliable.
That's great to hear : D
Love these videos - great work, thanks for the effort you put in.
Many thanks : )
Solid looking machine and nice review. Quality tools like this are heirloom tools that can be handed down as they last.
Nicely said Wayne, and very true : )
Great review. Good to see you are alive and well... 😁
Thanks John. Stay well buddy : )
Got mine from Cousins too, delivery’s scheduled for tomorrow.
I can’t wait 😛
Thanks for your great and inspiring video 💪
Greetings from Rome 🇮🇹
Have fun. I'm sure you'll enjoy it 😁
That is a beautiful machine, seems like it works great! keep up the good work my friend.. your channel has grown tremendously! 🍻 much deserved...👍
Thanks Alden. It's the viewers that make a channel 👍
Been using a vacuum chamber casting machine for jewelry casting since 1995. Never have had a failed casting from it. I’ve only cast one resin model and it came out perfectly well too.
Thanks for sharing Chuck : )
That machine does everything I need. This is actually something I would buy!
Thanks David. It's an impressive bit of kit.
price on these has spiked in the last couple of months and i expect it to keep rising, this will be a $2000 machine soon, excellent work and quality from arbe 💪🏼
Great video Geoff! You let her in after 20 minutes! You're kinder than I am! This machine looks very, very professional. Even on video you can see it's well built and solid. As you say, you pay for quality, but the older I get the more I believe in the saying, "Buy once, cry once." This is something I will seriously consider buying, when I become "a seriously dedicated amateur". Hopefully sooner rather than later. Nice work mate!
I'm much too soft hearted Dan. I only spent 60 minutes hosing her down for safety. That's what a sucker I am : )
Good old days manufacturing available today. Who would have guessed? Solid review on a solid machine. ✌
Thanks! 👍
hia vog good voice for demo work.i bought the kay cast from cousins £400 less than another uk seller. not set up yet,realy happy with this kit looking forward to using it,,
You'll love it. Great bit of kit : )
Great review and awesome looking machine! Thanks for sharing.
Many thanks : )
Very stout machine!
Made with pride and quality in the USA! :D
I'm glad this machine is a good runner!
Makes life a lil bit easier? LOL
Thanx for a frank review, and a great compliment!
You are a sharp one Geoff!
I can only speak as I find mate. Like I said about the flask, not pretty - but very strong and durable. It's not meant to be glamorous, it's meant to do a job. AND it does the job well : )
Honestly, I think almost every large piece of equipment I've bought was due to your reviews 😂 I'm glad I listened to you because everything I bought feels like top quality.
Thanks TK. I appreciate that 😁
Man I wish I had one of those. I could make some killer rings. Great review brother!
You already do, John : )
Great video Love it cannot wait to see your next video I'm looking forward to that oh and great review I agree with everything you've said in this video 😎✌️
Thanks John : )
Love your tutorials ive learned so much.
Glad you like them! 😊
Excellent review. Challenging times for sure🇦🇺. Thanks
Many thanks : )
Hi great video I have the same machine, how are you working out the melting and puring temperatures+ what you using to stir the alloy
Amazing cast and great Video. Cant waitttttttt
Coming soon ; )
Great video, it's the exact setup I need, what furnace are you using
Hey there! I've been following your videos. Really nice. How long should the kaya cast stay on after pouring the metal?
LMAO, love your videos, reviews and most of all, your jokes and sense of humor. Thanks Mate! 👍👍👍
Thanks Chuck. That makes two of us that enjoy my humour : )
Nice video VOG.
Hope you are keeping well and safe.
Still an ipa shortage but my ultrasonic cleaner has been earning it's keep.
Shame. Do you recycle your IPA? I've only bought one lot. They don't call me Scrooge for nothing...
@@vogman yes I do recycle it but it still goes down. Using the ultrasonic is much cheaper 😀 and I only use the ipa when printing for the queen. She's a sucker for a Fortnite Llama 😀
I would love to see a comparison with some of your problem child pores of the old machine to the new one. Side by side, close up pictures. Look like one hell of a machine. Like the information you put out.
You can be sure I'll be drawing comparisons as time goes on : )
When I first saw the picture on the community post about this video, I did wonder why you were making an AirBnB ring. Maybe I should have gone to Specsavers 😎😎
I like to confuse folks. It's good to let them know how I permanently feel ; )
Thanks for video. If you want to make it full with same model rings, than how much rings you can cast in same time with this machine? And what is resting time of machine for second casting after the first one? Thanks
When you did the resin print what kind of resin did you use? i havent known resin that seem to be wax wieldable
Thanks for the demo. I really thought I'd have to buy a centrifuge machine in addition to this machine. Those can run $1000 too. But I still need the burn out kiln, etc. 😊
Centrifuges are good but they are very specific... ie, exactly THIS much molten metal into a flask that's exactly THIS size. Pour in too much and you risk hot rain.
But with a vacuum system, you can vary the size of your projects with safety and confidence 😁
Very nice machine, thanks for the review.
Many thanks : )
When the flask is in the casting chamber and the metal is poured in DOES THE VACUUM PULL THRU THE PLASTER?
What system/printer do you use to be able to 3D print the rings for casting in a material that will melt during the burnout. I have a 3D resin printer but I believe resin won’t melt during burnout. I’ve never seen a machine that will 3D print in the waxy material used here in the video. It’s be really helpful in designing my own pieces for vacuum casting
What was the machine you used at 4:00 with the blue goo to make the ring casting?
What was the temperature of the flask before you put it on the vacuum machine?
You make some great videos. Thanks!
That's very kind George : )
Excellent video, how do you know how many grams of casting grains you need to pour into the investment? Please explain kind sir
What a neat and well integrated system.
It´s interesting to see how the US has kept a goodly portion of its design and manufacturing capacity despite years of foreign competition, while in the UK we don´t manufacture much, preferring to import.
Shhhh... don't tell anyone, but I'm old enough to have grown up seeing obscure buildings in the UK, wondrous, mystical places that have passed into legend now. They were called 'Phaktrees' I think, or some similar Celtic expression. Kids today don't believe such places ever existed. But I remember the smoking chimneys 😉
@@vogman Great places where liberal application of elbow grease was a regular occurrence. Them's was the days eh
@@vogman Ha ha - that was the perfect response!
Hey mate, which is the machine you use to make the matrix? I mean the 3d prototypes with wax?
what size do these machines go up to?
Also, you say the casting plaster is porous, is this the same if casting using lost wax method with ceramic shell?
Thanks,
Sir how much time did you put in the furnace for heating ? and how much gallon vacuum pump i need to do this job
Hello Vog what size saw blade did you use to saw the sprue
excellent video buddy. can I please know the monster flask size at 3:18 ? . thank you and if you can the sizes of all the flask you used in this video. I am about to buy this machine and wanted to order flask accordingly. thanks
Is there a distributor in the eu for this machine? Great channel! 👍
Did you have any issues with the oil level rising on the side window? I’m filling the oil yet I can’t see the oil level rise😪
Great video like always, im glad to see you got to try an official vacuum casting set up. How did it compare vs your usual cylinder and vacuum table ?
Thanks Alexandre. The extra vacuum power is obvious and is very impressive. Whether this leads to extra sharp details, time will tell : )
What were the make and models of the other two machines you used in this video?
what did you use to make the model rings?
What wax did you use to make mold?
Hi there, what sort of wax do you use to connect your wax mold to the sprue? Also are there any budget burnout furnaces in the uk? I am looking at starting to make gold casted grillz.
Take a look here vegoilguy.co.uk/equipment.php 😁
Hey VOG, I can't find this info anywhere: What temp do you have your flask at when it's time to pour sterling silver? I just can't seem to get that right. I soak my flask in the kiln at 960 for 1 hour x inches of diameter. So a 3" flask would be at 960 for 3 hours. However, when I pour I always get pitting all over the piece. What is your final temp and how long do you hold it there?? Cheers and thanks.
This figure is best taken from the supplier of the metal... it can vary a tiny bit. Without it, it's a question of experiment and in honesty that's the stage I'm at. When and if I ever perfect it, you can be sure I'll share : )
if the stone is in the candle, how do you need to add tools or what?
Great vid as always. Off topic here abit but is there a UK supplier for elegoo or can you recommend where to purchase one
Thanks Alan. I don't personally know a UK supplier... I'd maybe start at Amazon. I've heard tell that shipping direct from Elegoo is fast and cost effective. I'm not certain of this though. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS with Elegoo, let me know and I'll drop them a line for you : )
OMG the wife joke was a present classic!
What supply voltages are they available in? We use 110 vac in the US.
Thank you for your review! I've seen the fakes on Amazon.
They do 110 and 230v I believe : )
Wow amazing MACHINE
Thanks Jacob : )
What 3D printer and resin is used for the model?
Hello VOG, big fan from Vietnam. I follow your link to purchase machines. How do i get 10% disscount ? Thanks man
Great, as always very instructive, please when using resin, we would like to know which one you are working with in each video (the exact name of the resin you use)
Thanks William. In this case, Powercast Wax.
@@vogman gracias
Hey you should review the new version that has the furnace built on the casting table . Love your videos not sure if u still have access to this account as I remember you said TH-cam made you change your name
I am new to casting and just learning and gathering information before I buy equipment. Do you do everything indoors or in area with large doors or outside? Can this work with metsls duch as brass and nickel silver? Great video. Subscribing now
Thanks for subbing Jeff 😁
This casting machine works indoors, but good ventilation is always recommended when casting, especially with brass as that gives off toxic fumes and should, ideally, not be melted indoors.
I think you just made it into the big leagues. Kudos!
I'm still waiting on the Cheerleaders : )
ELLO VOG. What is the machine you introduce at 6:41 for the burnout? Would you recommend it? I'm trying to get set up so I can do the whole process. Thank you!
I list the equipment I use with links here vegoilguy.co.uk/equipment.php 😁
@@vogman thank you!
Do you use a special pump or just any vacuum pump will work? I’m wanting to order a vevor hvac pump but not sure if it’s the correct one
This should help you buddy th-cam.com/video/-TutObDbxUo/w-d-xo.html
Your videos have best inspired me to try a new hobby. Thank you! Ive been looking at these units. I currently use a 3 gallon vacuum chamber with a 3cfm pump (long hose) Ive been contemplating on buying just a replacement lid for the chamber and cutting it out to fit one of these fancy perforated flasks. just cut a hole in the top which is similar to this unit to hold the flask.. replacement lids are easily available. your thoughts? i have already relocated the point of suction to the lower side of the chamber from where it normally would sit at the top of the lid. I use the hole at the top of the lid to vacuum my heated flask (with seal)} just as you do in other vids. Thoughts about just cutting a 3.5 inch or whatever it is diameter hole in a plexi lid to save about 1100 bucks?.
I'm all for building your own and saving a few bucks if you can. I've built a basic casting system and I have a second in the pipeline that will do multi-flask types. The only thing that puts me off sharing that idea right now is that it's not a million miles different to the way Arbe do it. I didn't know that at the time I started building, but now I do I'm a little torn.
My stance is this... IF you have the money and won't miss it, you will be delighted with this purchase that will do exactly what you need it to do. IF you're on a tight budget, as I usually am, them DIY is the only way to go... and your DIY build may be superior to mine
@@vogman Your vids are an inspiration, I recently donated in gratitude. I have been using your homemade style vac (with the single hole) for a few pours with pretty solid success- (I have just recreated a few of my daughters lego figurines in nordic gold) I also have just received a spare lid for my vac chamber. Next step is to skillfully cut a 4 inch hole in it so that I can drop a perforated flask right into the chamber. I have noticed how smooth the process is when its all in one unit like Kaya but thats too rich for my blood currently. cheers
good video mate, what were your print settings and your slicer settings?
I shared them here - docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dV-mvE8IojXSNiUHf8fHf_eHJGAQzbeFEalcP4bdnsg/edit#gid=2097766120
Look for Powercast : )
what about gaskets? Not getting burned?
Does the 10% discount still work?
I have experience in casting non ferrous metals, and have been recovering and refining gold for about a year, and dabble with silver. I need to get into teeth and rings, but don't know where to start, as far as products go. Any pointers? you're my go to channel right now, great informative videos
Hi Jerry. For perfection, I'd go with wax every time. I'm increasingly of the mind that the home printer market is just not there for castable resins - yet. It will change in the near future without a doubt.
Have you got a resin printer? That's the place to start unless you're a skilled wax carver. Any of the machines I've reviewed will print beautifully for you. If money is no object, look at professional machines like the Phrozens as these WILL work with castable resin.
If you're on a tighter budget like the rest of us, a home printer if fine.
I'm hoping to be doing a little more wax work in the next few weeks, including silicone molds and wax injectors. So at that point I'll be better placed to offer an opinion.
If I've confused you here in any way, just drop me a line and let me know : D
Hey! great video. Im wondering what kind of 3d printing resin you use? is it the normal kind? or a special wax kind for casting? Thanks!
I’d like to know the same thing. I think it’s a printable wax that can be used in burn out for vacuum casting. It’d be nice to be able to 3D print your own miniature or figures or anything for vacuum casting
I think in this video it was Powercast Wax castable resin 😁
You're right-ish. It's Powercast Wax which is a castable resin but is called "wax" by the manufacturer as they feel it has wax like properties. It's an excellent resin. I have reviewed it here - th-cam.com/video/xNipIFMKta4/w-d-xo.html
@@vogman would you prefer to use a wax injector to make your items for vacuum casting or 3D print using this printable wax resin to use in 3D casting?
I'm glad you finally made it to this step, a far cry away from those pla castings huh.knowing what you know now, would you even conceder doing pla lost casting again? hahahah! I know every man has to make it at their own pace. but like you now understand, The right tool makes all the difference in the world. Welcome to the group of Quality.
I would buy quality EVERY time is money allowed. Generally it doesn't. On this occasion I have been VERY lucky. However, as money is generally tight for me, I tend to go with budget options as often as possible ; )
@@vogman Budget is always the failing point to everything, its how we get the budget that separates us from the Men and boys, it's not an easy task to manage budget and hobby but you seem to be doing ok now, you have your youtube revenue which I'm guessing isn't much but on the other hand, it also allowed you to get seen and known, Which in terms got you the mars and the Kaya, probably for just the cost of paying the imports, in a way, you worked hard on your youtube channel and the pay is the tools you were sent. Work is work Doesn't always mean its Dollars and cents. but now that you have the reliable and professional tools to deliver quality goods, all that is left is for you todo, is find a good creative young intern designer and start making the real dollars, Don't forget Casting metal looks cool but it's not the only thing you can cast with the Kaya. in anyways, from here on in, I am looking forward to seeing knowledgeable and Quality stuff from you!
how to order
Hi Mr. Im going to buy this this week. Can you tell me the size of the monster flask? looks huge!
Sorry buddy I've no idea. I've not yet used it and I know it's buried inside my shed somewhere. It could take me all day to find...
How about a fair sized suction cup as a handle on the bell jar?
Smart thinking : )
Gesswein makes basically the same model.
The quality looks great!
That's not a make I've come across, but as long as they're good quality, that's all that matters 👍
They're one of the oldest suppliers in America. I live in Toronto, Canada and they luckily have a warehouse near the city.
It seems to be the same make and model.
Maybe the Patten's run out and multiple people are making it?
It's a common model in my views, from eBay to gesswein, to your video. Rio Grande seems to have a smaller version too.
I'd love one day figure out who made the original patten, who's the OG.
Love the videos, keep the the good work!
www.gesswein.com/p-10338-t15-deluxe-vacuum-casting-machine.aspx
That is an amazing setup you got there. How big flasks can it hold? Looking forward to seeing what you will cast in it. Not showing the wheelbarrow? :-)
I didn't wheely fancy it ; )
Where's YOUR video? We're all waiting!
@@vogman Yes, well, here the thing... wait, was that the doorbell? I'll be right back.
ya tienes un equipo de microfusion profesional, sabiendo utilizar estas maquinas, se obtiene un resultado muy bueno en los trabajos. yo tengo un equipo completo de microfusion al vacio, inyectoras, prensas vulcanizadoras, horno eléctrico de fundición, horno eléctrico de mufla para 3 cilindros,licuadora de cera al vapor.....etc. pero aun no empece a trabajar con esta técnica. por ahora no me da tiempo ni tengo el espacio adecuado para el taller. hago normalmente esculturas con la técnica del poliestireno perdido moldeado con anera en verde, estos trabajos no me dejan tiempo para la microfucion, para mi las piezas de joyería son mas difícil de vender, pero algún dia quiero empezar las primeras pruebas. saludos
Guau. Eso es mucho equipo. Te envidio. Buena suerte señor 👍😊
You sound similar to Jermey Clarkson in some parts of this video. Hahaha I love it.
Good video, ciild you tell me what was the 3D printer you used?
Thank you
It's been a while but I seem to think it may have been the Elegoo Mars 2 Pro. But I could be wrong 😁
@@vogman thanks, I'm looking at adding casting etc to my workshop this year and found your video very interesting
My casting goes wrong with Kaya ever since I purchased it, I have done everything correctly even changed my investment powder etc but the silver I melt doesn’t reach to the ent of the mold
Strange. There's no reason why the Kaya should spoil your castings. Is it drawing a vacuum correctly?
$1200 retail. You're welcome.
Thanks for the info : )
That really doesn't seem that bad, especially for the quality.
genuinely expected it to be more. If you already had a semi-successful etsy or ebay store, this could be a solid investment that would net you a healthy income. Especially with how large of flasks it will take. I'd love to see it pushed to the limit with a crazy christmas tree sprue of tons of things.
$995 USD at www.zakjewelrytools.com/products/kaya-cast
@@toomaskotkas4467 is that really a "price" as there are no units available for purchase?
Great review! What resin did you use? I like the accuracy of the lettering!
I think that was Powercast Wax : )
@@vogman , that may be a little outside of my price range. Sticking with the FunToDo Castable Blend for now.
Thanks for always posting such informative videos, you have been a huge help!
www.funtodo.net/our-3d-resin-blends.html
I wonder how hot is the flask when you place them in the machine and how this rubber gasket can handle the heat ?
The silicone rubber gaskets do take a bashing and need replacing periodically, but it's amazing how much heat they can take. Even ordinary silicone, the stuff you might get from a local hardware store, can take up to 300C.
Thank you very much for the answer ! Stay safe
What size is your sprue tree
I really want one of those
It's a good, solid machine : )
@@vogman So with this you still need a kiln to burn out the wax, and a furnace to melt the metal?
With this approach, two ovens are best, yes.
A little late on commenting here but can you tell me what -Hg this casting machine can regularly achieve?
I've found a Chinese version of this exact unit and it's able to achieve 26-27 -Hg. Can this one get to 29.9 -Hg??
I guess you get what you pay for but ultimately the choice is yours. I will say that investment casting responds well even to a moderate vacuum.
Nice machine. Too bad Arbe is afraid to list the price = I'll continue my vacuum table hunt.
Thanks for the vid! Always good stuff.
Arbe don't list a price as they are a manufacturer. You need to find retailers to get competitive prices. For example, pepetools.com sell this system.
@@vogman you're absolutely correct. "Afraid" was a poor choice. Too much coffee I guess.
Thanks for the clarification!
Someone have seen it in EU? Or an alternative in some good prices?
Thanks for showing us, why would someone use one of those big ol' centrifugal contraptions to cast jewellery when they could use something like this? I would really love someone to explain the pros and cons of each method.
Many thanks : )
Centrifugals are cheaper, though you would still need a vacuum table, vacuum and bell jar to prepare the investment. Older tech - many did it this way before vacuum casting became popular. You melt the metal in a crucible in the centrifugal while the hot flask is present but before you let it spin, so you only need a torch instead of a separate furnace to melt your metal, so that might be cheaper two. The solid flasks are cheaper too. The setup on the centrifugal might be a bit more complicated when switching from different sizes of flasks or casting weights. You have to adjust counter weights and the flask holder vs. changing plates and gaskets on the vacuum caster. Both yield great results. the centrifugal has the risk that if you do not estimate the amount of metal correctly, it can spray out of the top of the flask as it overfills the gate or blows out the bottom of the flask. Nothing quite so beautiful is a molten glowing arc of gold spinning off and splattering the walls, your equipment and yourself. It is possible to blow out the bottom or even the sides of a vacuum flask, but the molten metal will be contained in the vacuum chamber. I would say it is easier to operate and safer for most, certainly less daunting to first time unsupervised casters. Also note there are even more expensive complicated machines in which you can melt the metal as well.
@@nickolasstephens6211 and before that some poor worker would be tasked to swing the flask around with some rope or chain.
I have trouble to get it in Germany
Hey do you do the pickling process at all
Only onions 😁
@@vogman thanks so that’s a no
Hello do you tried it with a solid flask already? This would be so interesting for me!😁
I did try it once and it worked a tread, though I never filmed the experience 😁
How hot was your flask before the pour? Surprised the the rubber gasket can hold up to the heat.
It's surprising how well silicone handles heat. Even ordinary domestic silicone is good to about 300C. I understand some variations can cope with 700C. Amazing really.
@@vogman I'm trying to cast aluminum bronze and I think I'll use a ceramic slurry shell then. It's my understanding the investment is supposed to be heated to 800-1000 degrees cooler than the metal being poured. Bronze pours at like 2100 so the investment would be 1200 degrees. I think that might be pushing the capabilities of silicone and the plaster. Any thoughts?
¿What the price of this machine?
Looks identical to my Vevor lol. Does your silicone rings hold up past a few casts?
These gaskets are subject to wear and tear. It's inevitable they'll need replacing. At the moment mine have had four outings and are still going strong. Will they reach 40? I don't know... I'd be surprised if they did.
VOG if you get past 10 let me know. Im fairly certain mine are whatever silicone is comparable to mold max 60 and not rated for the high temps. Got maybe 3 casts in and theres a ring melted into the top of the 4” flask one. Maybe I’ll order some from these guys and see how it holds up
Is there an option to build that thin layer in chitubox?
It's my own invention... it comes in handy when adhesion is an issue, which it is with some resins. The large area SUCKS itself into place rather than sticks, but it works. Head over to Thingiverse.com and search for VegOilGuy. I shared this Priming prints there : )
I've got a knock off, works great! The only thing is that the knob is on backwards lol
There's surgery for that sort of thing Ryan 😉🤣👍
What machine did you go for?
Hahaha mine is the same way.
Thanks for the content, sir. Stay safe!
0:24 XD
And you : )
How much is this?