REFERENCES Cave hyenas niche-partitioned with Neandertals, taking chiefly medium-sized prey while Neandertals focused on mammoths and other large herbivores moscow.sci-hub.se/1338/71f9352579542465afe6fcdb08da49c3/bocherens2005.pdf?download=true zero.sci-hub.se/3912/b651c596191f7fd28d5088139acf0f3b/bocherens2015.pdf?download=true ‘ Neanderthals regularly hunted 13-tonne straight-tusked elephants. They lived in large communities year-round at the Neumark-Nord sites in western Germany www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add8186 Neanderthal usage of fire www.bbcearth.com/news/did-neanderthals-learn-to-make-fire-before-us Neanderthal hunting of bears in Europe www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S030544031730184X Diet varied based on location www.sapiens.org/biology/neanderthal-diet/ Weaponry and hunting styles across the Paleolithic www.mdpi.com/2571-550X/6/1/17 Seafaring Neanderthals in the Mediterranean www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305440312000441?via%3Dihub Body fat reserves resemble those of mammoths: muse.jhu.edu/article/734374 Body plans adapted for ambushes in woodlands: www.researchgate.net/publication/329811193_Palaeoecological_and_genetic_evidence_for_Neanderthal_power_locomotion_as_an_adaptation_to_a_woodland_environment Neanderthal and Homo sapiens cranial trauma Beier et al. 2018 Geographic extent of the Morrison Formation www.researchgate.net/figure/Map-showing-the-geographic-distribution-of-the-Morrison-Formation-across-the-Western_fig2_223834682 Morrison paleoclimate www.researchgate.net/publication/40662072_Paleoclimatic_setting_of_the_Upper_Jurassic_Morrison_Formation Paleolithic Europe paleoclimate www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi4642 Modern German weather weatherspark.com/countries/DE Open-air Neanderthal settlements in the Middle East leakeyfoundation.org/neanderthals-made-repeated-use-of-open-air-settlement-in-northern-israel/ Camptosaurus speed: Foster, J. (2007). "Camptosaurus dispar." Jurassic West: The Dinosaurs of the Morrison Formation and Their World. Indiana University Press. p. 219-221. Size of Morrison herbivores: anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.25024 Haplocanthosaurus size: www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08912960410001715132 Diplodocus and Supersaurus size: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/joa.14108 Giant Oklahoma Apatosaurus: svpow.com/2012/04/25/the-giant-oklahoma-apatosaurus-omnh-1670/ Ceratosaurus diet: Changyu Yun (2019). "Comments on the ecology of Jurassic theropod dinosaur Ceratosaurus (Dinosauria: Theropoda) with critical reevaluation for supposed semiaquatic lifestyle" (PDF). Volumina Jurassica. XVII: 111-116. Allosaurus population density: anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.25024 The Champawat Tigress: web.archive.org/web/20071225100352/www.betabunny.com/predators/predators_beasts.htm#tigress
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With regards to the german climate, that was on the northern end of known neanderthal range. Rather, most neanderthals would have inhabited more southern areas of Europe especially Spain and even into the middle east. In these places temperatures reach the 90s basically every day during the summer and they are equally as arid and seasonal as the morrison. Look at the climate of seville where temperatures average 97f during the during the summer. This would have been near the heart of neanderthal range in southern europe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seville#Climate.
Correction, they used throwing spears as far back as 300,000 to 400,000 years ago, hell the shonagin spears might have been derived hidalbergensis ancestors.
You know where/when the Neanderthals would've done better? The Prince Creek Formation/general Late Cretaceous Alaska. It's an at least decently forested environment, the flora's more similar to that of a modern temperate to boreal forest, the climate's far better for them, there are less types of carnivores (Only really Nanuqsaurus, and potentially large troodontids, *maybe* a dromaeosaur or two) to worry about, and Edmontosaurus and Pachyrhinosaurus would be decent options for hunting (especially considering that Pachyrhinosaurus is a four-legged herbivore that defends using its head while having a notable blind-spot behind its frill and relatively unprotected hindquarters, so hunting tactics that work on rhinos and mammoths/elephants would probably be quite effective against it). The only downsides I can imagine are as follows: While the local plants are similar to those of today, plants traditionally considered edible to humans are in rather short supply (though I guess there's always bark and moss in a pinch...), it's often understated just how big Nanuqsaurus is (about 10 metres long, not quite a T. rex but still quite large for a tyrannosaur), and while the two large herbivores are quite hefty, they're maybe a bit less bulky than pachyderms (plus the other local herbivores, such as ornithomimids and pachycephalosaurs, are too fast, too small, or both). The Prince Creek and Cantwell Formations are also thought to have been deposited in wet lowland conditions not too far from the coast, so I can't imagine there being a lot of caves in the region. The wet climate and muddy, marshy conditions could also potentially make starting (let alone *finding* ) fires more challenging.
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Unless of course you put the Neanderthals in a radically different Mesozoic formation's ecosystem, like Shaximiao, Yixian, Hell Creek, Dinosaur Park or Prince Creek?
I was caught off guard when the video started because I was sure it was yours, didn't even give a thought to read the creator because it seemed so obvious
I'm a Neanderthal too! (~1%). Let' paint such dinosaurs on Cretaceous cave walls and blow everything paleontologists and anthropologists will think they know out of the water.
I feel that dinosaur eggs would greatly increase hunger score, as large sauropod nesting sites could be easy meals and protean for neanderthals between hunts. Even if they are guarded, neanderthals could use groups and distractions to lure away dinosaurs. Its arguable that humans poaching eggs is what caused moa and elephant bird extinctions, so i can see dinosaurs recieving a similar but lessor treatment.
That and other facts. Group behavior in allosaurs? Not proven. Not even juveniles, if so, not in that size. Spears. Neanderthals were not dumb. As hunters, they would instantly recognize the juveniles and the big ones being predators. Predators are cowards for survival. A herbivore can munch on vegetation with one eye or a broken leg. A predator, not so much. They would instantly go for the eyes. Poke one out. Even in group behavior, the others see one of them has a debilitating injury and they run. Would they come back? Only if they were desperate enough. That one comes back and maybe has a successful hunt? Neanderthals are humans, hominids, sapient enough to hold grudges. That lame allosaurus would be the next meal, because, and here comes the tiger example, humans are not nutritious. The video says, Neanderthals are not dumb, yet it made them look as a picky guys. Camptosaurus isn't enough, we ditch it and go for the armored ones, they aren't enough either? then we go bigger. How about both. A Gargoyleosaurus would provide something helpful too: osteoderm adorned garments. In short: ARMOR, bitches! I am not saying they would become apex predators. But crafty ones to at least lv 6.
Except dinosaurs are prolific breeders. Sauropods lays huge clutches of eggs 15 to 20 or even 30 eggs per batch not to mention all the females of breeding age all mate and lay their eggs together as in the flood the whole place with eggs
Also, there's pretty much no environment humans haven't been able to colonize and thrive in. Neanderthals might've preferred a colder climate for a variety of reasons, but they were probably perfectly able to adapt to a hotter climate if they had to.
It would increase their hunger score, but as for Hanger, the Allosaurus would be even worse for us. Like the video said, they were used to injuries while hunting, and in melee we are much weaker and less sturdy than the Neanderthal.
@@Raptor_Ren Except that we know for sure early humans had ranged weaponry like bows, spearthrowers, slings, etc. the main reason why the scenario is unfavorable is because we have no evidence currently of Neanderthals having ranged weapons so in this thought experiment they would have NO CHOICE but to fight these huge predators in melee combat, Homo sapiens doesn't have this restriction so they would fair much better against these predators. There's no animal that's going to be able to handle getting stabbed by spears up close while also getting pierced by arrows and spears from a distance, most predators would just give up against that intense of a defense especially predators as large as Allosaurus when humans are barely a snack
@ Fair argument. I’d still say there’s a chance Allosaurus would ignore such damage, as, again, the frequency of injury we see in the fossil record indicates a recklessness in the way they attack, much like a modern wolverine or honey badger. The death by stegosaurus may have been outliers from desperation during famine, and they may ignore humans so long as food sauropods were available. With lower calorie needs as well, we wouldn’t need to hunt the same prey they do either. It’s even theorized calorie efficiency is at least part of why we succeeded over the Neanderthal. They needed twice the calories to support the aforementioned robust bodies. Less calories needed=larger tribes that can be formed, more safety in numbers.
I was thinking the same. It's a large time and energy investment but it would be probably be one of the most reliable methods of hunting the large beasts. Not only because of the injuries sustained from the fall, but also because their biomechanics are not at all suited for climbing which requires a large range of motion and traction. They have to be smart in order to recognize the danger, which is the real question. Can they outsmart a mammal brain? Even the mammals of today can still get hit by such a trap, and they are undeniably smart/timid (think of feral hogs).
Why are we assuming they require Mammoth sized dinosaurs? If they hunted smaller prey, they would just naturally split into smaller tribes. Also, there are thousands of other dino's that existed that we don't even know about. I don't think finding enough food would be an issue at all. 10/10
Because these dinosaurs would’ve been far more beneficial for a group of Neanderthals over smaller prey, which was what was mentioned in the video. Hunting smaller prey while less lethal than hunting larger animals, would likely put them into even more competition. Their best route is likely going to for to a niche that isn’t that competitive, this is what they did with Cave Hyenas, hunted Mammoths more often while Cave Hyenas focused on the more medium sized prey.
@@sneckotheveggieavenger9380Eggs could be a possible resource but they’ll only be a seasonal thing, that’s the issue. They need to survive entire seasons in order to find eggs. For quite literally eggs, could be a part of their diet but they need other food sources prior to that.
Imagine a tribe of Neanderthals hunting a massive stegosaurus. They struggle and begin to retreat. And then an 8 ton Saurophaganax pulls up and kills it no-problem. Absolute cinema
@@SamuRhino2023 By dubious they mean paleontologists are debating whether it is simply an Allosaurus species 'maximus' or a distinct genus, not whether it exists or not.
Excellent video as usual and I would largely agree with the assessment. I believe the best formation for Neanderthals to survive in would have been the Yixian formation since it’s rather cold, has a fair share of big game, and a comparative lack of big predators. With all that said, I believe that you missed something important that would have aided the Neanderthals in survival and that is the truly vast supply of juvenile sauropods that would all be fending for themselves. One sauropod would have laid anywhere between 15 and 40 eggs per clutch as the Auca Mahuevo site indicates. If there were 100 sauropods in a herd that laid eggs around the same time of year then that means that there would be anywhere between 1,500 and 4,000 little sauropods roaming around. Add in the fact that it takes many years for a sauropod to grow and you have an ecosystem filled to the brim with sauropods of the size that Neanderthals would consider ripe for harvest.
I think he's assuming a much higher fatality rate from predation than would actually happen, seeing as Neanderthals are much more physically resilient than modern people.
@@Afrologist also larger theropods would most likely not even bother trying to hunt humans considering how little they'd get out of it, a neanderthal is like what at most 200+ lbs, to a 4 ton Allosaurus the effort it'd likely take to kill a human and eat it is absolutely not worth it, no matter what it's likely going to sustain an injury which is terrible for basically no reward. And smaller theropods would have even more trouble against humans when there were other easier, more valuable food sources for them to go after.
A thing that could genuinely be a problem would be the lack of Vitamin C. Most if not all of our Vitamin C sources come from flowering plants which didn't exist yet so we would either need to somehow find another source or go extinct from scurvy.
We could go the Inuit route and eat certain viscera raw, like the kidneys and livers. Not sure if reptilian viscera contain VitC in sufficient quantities, though.
Not necessarily. Most vitamin C doesn’t even come from flowering plants. A lot of flowering plants today offer much of our vitamin C, yes, but that doesn’t mean it’s the only source. Ferns and leaves are already a very readily available source of vitamin C, and our ancestors exploited this by boiling or outright eating them raw. Meat is also a very, very rich substance full of vitamin C. No animal can live without vitamin C, so it’s synthesized throughout the liver and spread throughout the body. Fruits did also exist around the dinosaurs, but admittedly very late in the Cretaceous. But another source would be predators. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, so they could be a source of vitamin C as well. So even if somehow ferns, leaves, plants, herbivores, etc didn’t have vitamin C, the carnivores would have it.
@Mael-vk1it The vitamin C that exists in meat, that is, muscle tissue specifically, is negligible. Offal, or organ meat, _does_ have significant amounts of vitamin C, but that gets destroyed by heat if cooked to any degree, and will, therefore, not be bioavailable. On the other hand, eating animal food raw will be dangerous because of the risk of parasitic infection. The inhabitants of the Arctic can get away with it simply because there are far fewer parasites there than elsewhere.
Neanderthals were not early humans. They were a different brother group of humans. They were just as modern as modern humans, just a little different in skills
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Good idea! I would say _Rhincodon typus_ (whale shark) would be quite interesting for that situation. The video should focus primarily on whether the climate and habitat could suit such sharks, and not just whether various predators that collectively existed for a fraction of the Mesozoic would be able to murder them.
They would eventually dominate if they survive long enough. They will most likely struggle in the beginning, but quickly adapt to their environment. Pit traps will be their first innovation, imo. This is because it is a highly effective method to take out large prey easily and defend their homes from large predators. This will be closely followed by the invention of ranged weapons, better and longer spears, and defence formations, and a higher emphasis on weaponisation of fire. If these help them survive long enough they figure out how to use metals, the dinosaur population doesn't really stand a chance.
It wouldn’t be that hard to make spiked moats and wooden palisades that although possible to for a large predator to breach, would be sufficiently difficult as to discourage them.
@@Shaun_Jones Yeas, these would discourage large theropods since the risk is too high for the reward. Spikes could also be coated with various things such that they are practically guaranteed to cause an infection. I also think that the pressure from large predators will lead the Neanderthals to develop combat formations similar to the phalanx, or something similar meant to deal with large theropods. Also, I think that the Neanderthals will quickly develop spear throwers and bows and just use "volume of fire" tactics against the theropods. These tactics were historically used against war elephants with great success.
@@doompenguin7453 I can see why the video didn’t talk about technological advancement, because that’s a whole can of worms that could go on forever, but I do consider it an oversight that there is no mention at all of the Neanderthals adapting their tools to the new environment.
That’s true, but a major thing you’re overlooking is in order to make inventions they have to be familiar with the materials within the environment first, which would likely take decades or even more, because the ecosystem is far different from Pleistocene. If they want to dominate the environment they’ll have to explode in populations. That’ll be difficult to achieve if they’re under existential threat constantly and have to compete with more common predators, not only that but worry about predation as well from fast reproductive predators. Even when they coexisted with Cave Hyenas, they were forced to niche partition, by hunting adult Mammoths for example (Something and no other animal could do), and even became prey items for the latter. Main problem is it’s far more difficult to niche partition, especially since pretty much all the large prey are taken by Theropods.
@@denistyrant Honestly, mammals are more dangerous than dinosaurs, so humans would be fine. Mammals are just built to be more successful, and a common misconception is that size/weight = danger and success. A sabertooth or terror bird is a massive existential threat to a human compared to an allosaurus, and humans dominated the former two. Humans are just too successful of a design to struggle. That, and the periods where the dinosaurs roamed are too rich with resources for us to fail. Our biggest existential threats have always been famine, disease, and the elements. Fauna and wildlife around the Mesozoic were just too plentiful and there wasn’t a shortage of it. I definitely think raptors, alligators, and snakes would be a massive problem, but I think humans would eventually adapt and overcome them like we did in the Pleistocene, minus the raptors. I can realistically see the biggest threat to humans being, humans. We’d create our own problems through tribal conflicts or create famine by overhunting. I just can’t see how even an allosaurus would be a significant threat to a tribe full of men with spears. Like, sure, there’s always a nuance. A tribe full of sick or lacking of men could get torn to shreds. But a tribe with experienced hunters and warriors will be eating allosaurus for breakfast. Literally.
Mammoths are the same size as Rexes, I don't think they'll struggle as much as you'd think on the surface. They aren't modern Humans, Neanderthals can take massive damage & still survive.
@ I know. I’m saying you wouldn’t need the meteor to unsubscribe dinosaurs if Cavemen lived back then. Our ancestors get slept on a lot but they were monsters in their own right
@@joelsonlimadeoliveiraolive9924 Humans would still ultimately win. You don't even need to necessarily kill it to win. Damage it's leg badly enough so that it can't move and it starves. Another option is to use pitfall traps with pointed sticks covered in poop. They could also just hunt their eggs enough to the point where the go extinct.
7:54 you also have to remember that meat would spoil a lot faster in the heat of the Morrison, so bringing down large game would just result in a much higher risk to the hunters with no increase in reward
Re: getting massacred by stegosaurus? I kinda doubt it. Tail weapons don't really have the best attack arc and stegosaurus needs to contend with multiple hunters from all sides, possibly throwing things at it too and very likely using terrain to their advantage. I think a stego kill is very doable.
Considering even hunting parties today suffer great casualties against large animals (Who are more advanced in weaponry than Neanderthals), it’s very likely that the same would apply here. This is also not forgetting to mention that Stegosaurus were herding animals, this would’ve made successful hunting a lot more difficult, on top of the fact Stegosaurus was likely more agile than a Proboscidean of similar size. Dealing with hunters at multiple sides is going to be an issue sure, but it’s going to do far better than a Palaeoloxodon antiquus because it was quite literally used to defending itself against agile predators such as Allosaurus. As mentioned with Palaeoloxodon antiquus, they only target bulls, because they were more solitary than females and didn’t really have any herd to protection (With the exception of bachelors herd)
@@denistyrant The thing is that there is nothing stopping the Neanderthals from just advancing more in weaponry. You also forgot humanities greatest weapon, fire. It's the perfect counter to just about everything. It scares away predators, and you can use it to lure prey into pitfall traps or off cliffs.
@ In order to advance more in weaponry, they need to get more familiar with their environment which can take years. Also they used fire for a while, but Cave Hyenas were still dominant against them based on isotopic analysis. Fire is great, but it’s useless if you’re surrounded by a pack of Allosaurus Maybe they can adapt it eventually, but it would be very difficult to do so, and there it’s very possible by that point Neanderthals already have a lower population than when they first appeared in the Morrison Formation.
12:53 I think it's important to mention that Neanderthals were FAR stronger than their homo sapiens counterparts. Untrained female Neanderthals were speculated to be able to lift around 320-350 Lbs. I feel like a regular hunter-gatherer tribe of Neanderthals (familiar with dealing with big cats and bears) would likely handle the champawat tiger far better compared to the small impoverished farming villages of homo sapiens it often targeted. Also. the tiger mostly went for women & children. This is a very great video otherwise and I greatly thank you for creating it.
The tiger part irritated me a bit. The tiger went after unsuspecting alone victims in a long period, it can do nothing to a group of tightly protected human like the scenario presented.
@@khactungnguyen6772 Yea I was scratching my head because it wasn't a relevant comparison at all, the tiger is an ambush hunter that hunted individual unarmed humans over a long period of time, it's not like it just ran up on a group of 400+ humans and killed them all lmao, which is what the scenario with the Allosaurus was talking about
If you do end up throwing your hat into the ring, I have a few suggestions. Indom 2 has a high metabolism and can reproduce genetically identical clones of itself. I recommend you exploit those potential weakness as well as pop culture raptor packing behavior via potent poison secretions or agile envenomation. I would've suggested something from dart frogs to give Indom a seizure or something, but those toxins are apparently diet related. Given it's built, I think you can get away with an upscaled jaguar. I don't know if this Indom is agile or dexterous enough to deal with a cat on its nape.
12:50 it was Killing random humans in highly urbanized society and a stealth hunter. I am pretty sure it fares differently when the humans are wilderness folk and it isn't an ambush hunter.
This might be the worst time period for Neanderthals, Id like to see them in a more forested & cool time period (maybe the Jurassic?). I think Sapiens would perform better in this video’s premise… Id also like to see a speculative section of how Neanderthals would have to evolve to compete with the mega herbivores & predators Im this video, as well as the heat. Maybe a taller & lankier build for more reach & less internal heat, using mud or plant dyes as “sun block”, developing new weapons and strategies… [edit] I just finished the video, and you mentioned how this was the hardest time period for them. Sorry for the redundancy 😂. Btw, I loved the part about domesticating small therapods
Nah, they'd win. Most of these monsters can be taken down by a simple pit, not even necessarily spiked. Also, author had to nerf humans to neanderthals, homo sapiens are better adapted to heat and throw spears wich mean no need for close combat with megafauna. Oh, and control fire. With so much food I really don't see how you can lose
Came for how well hominids would fare against theropods, stayed for the funny clip art “animation” comedy of Neanderthals being pummeled by dinosaurs and the jokes!
I like the timeline where Stokesosaurus and Neanderthals team up. Morrison Formation is still hell for them of course, but this will help them not die out as fast! Great video man! I wonder if you’re planning to do other primates in other time periods?
Neandertals might have coped better in what is now Antarctica, which had a much higher rainfall, and even some snow during winter. The area was forested, allowing plenty of cover for ambush or avoiding large predators, and high rainfall would have meant many small streams for drinking water, again minimising risk from predators. Also, I think a small group of Neanderthals would easily bring down a 6,000 kg glacialisaurus. They figured out how to bring down large mammoths, and sauropods were not physically equipped to be as aggressive. A sauropod would be confused by a human, rather than alarmed, so a few Neandertals could easily distract it, allowing for a flank-attack. A decent stab into a hind foot before retreating, then distract on the injured side, and strike the other foot. A 6 tonne animal would soon collapse from such injuries, allowing an easy kill.
I do think it makes the most sense for them to attack and kill the horse sized one tonne dinosaur. Simoky because as you said, Elephants were seasonal game for them so if they instead maintain regular killing of Dinosaurs as their food source the 1 tonner makes the most sense. I don't know when the behaviour appeared in humans but humans tended to use herd behaviour to our advantage by herding in hunting. Maybe the Neanderthals like largely use that as well rather than direct hunting.
@AmachiEligwe That's right! That's like using that instance when a lion killed a polar bear in a zoo, as argument for lions being stronger than polar bears. Or God forbid that instance when a wolverine killed a polar bear, ALLEGEDLY
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I'm gonna be honest here. Any carnivores that is the same height with an average neanderthal would need to square up with the grim reaper himself. They might as well cook something similar to that of the black Goo from Primal. The thing when It trasform Spear to the goddamn Incredible hulk. It's basically a temporary kaioken.
Yea it's absolutely not worth it, it's like a 200 lb prey animal that will put up an absolutely ferocious defense with spears and a large group with dozens of members, many of them also being armed with spears
I'm curious how differently homo sapiens would have fared in the same circumstance, since they are known for sure to control fire, domestication, among other things.
I feel like homo sapiens would do better, as we are more proficient with ranged weapons, have better endurance, and lived in larger groups. Getting into melee with most dinosaurs doesn't seem like a good idea, regardless of your strength. We also have a significantly lower caloric requirement.
I’m doing a paper on Neanderthals, this video helped me so thanks, also it was fun to watch and speculate. Looks like sapiens would have been the right choice for the Morrison
If Aboriginals can survive and thrive in prehistoric Australia, I think they'll do just fine in the Mesozoic. In fact, it'll probably feel like home: Giant carnivorous lizards ✅ Crocodilians ✅ Inhospitable climate ✅ Few edible plants ✅
13:56 Speaking of dragons....you might be interested in this week's upload. Great video, and a shame I missed out on some Pleistocene Eurasia ecology in the one I'm working on but that's life. I'll be sure to link this video for the Neanderthal aspect of it. Also interesting how we got "lucky" by getting more mild carnivores who didn't go for the elephants we threw big sticks at.
This was awesome. The formation I suspect would be most weighted in Neanderthalensis' favor would be the Dashanpu Formation, and I think it would be nice to throw them a bone in this case. I would love to see a video on that.
Considering the mention of tail based weaponry being a problem for neanderthals, maybe the Cretaceous would be a better spot for them? More elephant-esque food items in the form of ceratopsians, and the large super carnivores, like torvo and sauraphagonax wouldn't actively be hunting them. Furthermore, you've got more potential for domestication with the multitude of small to medium sized raptors, such as dromeosaurus and velociraptor
14:26 read the book called The Invaders, they explained why Neanderthals count domesticate wolves meanwhile we could and work together with them brining Neanderthals to extinction. Basically Neanderthals lacked the larger prefrontal cortex and social adaptations to communicate, teach and think of domestication, plus they were ambush and more carnivorous compared to sapiens thus meaning dogs of Porto wolves wouldn’t work well with them and compete even more for food.
Re: unkillable sauropods? I think you just need a lot bigger spear. And maybe an ambush in dense foliage or terrain to give it less freedom to maneuver that tail. Given their preference for megafauna I would think they are not taking too many casualties against them because it just isn't worth doing if they are
@@villager736 Head too high for spears? Pitfall trap. Tail whip too dangerous? Pitfall trap. Can trample us to death? Can no more, for their legs are broken after falling for the pitfall trap.
the fire assumption is weird... Maybe they just... made big fires, considering we know that had culture, ceremonies and rituals. Or maybe for cooking very large amounts of food. But, yeah... allosaurus would be a bad time.
9:20 Is that Aki Rosenthal next to the Brachiosaurus? It is interesting to speculate how fast Neanderthals could adapt like could they adapt to new enviroments as fast as Homo Sapiens? The idea is that this new envrioment with new dangers would drive innovation as they try to find solutions for their problems. True that they might not have developed the skill to make fires themselves and make bows and what not in our timeline, but perhaps they would if faced with dinosaurs. Making your own fire to scare off predators and bows to make further and sneakier long ranged attacks against predators and prey. Maybe they could develop fortified settlements as the huge size of prey and maybe the abundance in an area plus the potential lack of suitable caves and the need for protection from predation and the elements would drive them to develop settlements with "artifial caves" made of mud and clay with structural air conditioning against the heat like some cultures did in our timeline. One could speculate about it alot
An unique video topic I never expected you to make a video on! I'm surprised but also at the same time not surprised at the Neanderthals not surviving the Morrison formation. I had thought they'd do marginally well but hadn't anticipated their eradication that's for sure , at the end of the video I wondered if the Neanderthals might do better surviving the Wessex formation of the Cretaceous period?
Easily. Forests was off limits for very big dinosaurs, they couldn't walk there. It was place for moderatly sized animals, including juvenile dinosaurs.
He had to specify neanderthals because he knew that modern man would dominate the dinosaur era. And not with brutr strength, just like we always do we'll use brain.
Early Humans watching as an enraged Titanosaur Sauropod obliterates their home and decimate half their whole hunting party in one tail swing just becuase their party was too loud: (It’s truly over for them.) 🫠
Your entire video about neathendals was bad. Like, total lack of knowledge. Netherlands could make traps and fire since they are capable of making them. Why don't you consider fact that neathendals are stronger than Homo sapiens.
@@whiteeye3453 okay didn’t go to total detail but is still true to the point that they’d be forced to hide in caves and trees and get eaten left and right by allos, raptors, ceratos, etc
@@joemwedge Wich they kill them. Sure at begging they had hard but once they stabilize they could evolve ither Homo sapiens or more Homo neathendals like spear or pickle to deal with dinos.
Neanderthals have orbital sockets twice as large as that of homo sapiens, this suggests they would have had exceptional night vision and be adapted for nocturnal behavior which they definitely would have stuck with if placed in a hot arid environment like this one.
Question : How would Homo Sapiens fare in ths Mesozoic? Would they survive and thrive and have something like the Ark or Pellucidar civilizations or will they become extinct? Since Homo Sapiens preferred ranged combat over melee, unlike Neanderthals
That whole food section honestly gives an idea of why neanderthals went extinct. They had to eat a shitton and for some reason lacked anything longer range than a thrown spear, so getting that much meat must have been a bitch to do without dying a lot or losing more energy than you gain.
Awesome video, would live to see a break down of how homo sapien sapien would do, as well as maybe including any differences there may be between true homo sapien, and the early Neanderthal and homo sapien mixes that wiuld have occured in early human history.
I was actually working on an art project with this same concept, but I was thinking about having the Neanderthals focus on hunting smaller animals. Because killing large herbivores might end up summoning a larger carnivore
Would it be possible for you to cover the Dragons from the Last Dragon Fantasy Made Real documentary and put them in the Mesozoic to see how well they would actually fair some kinda already did it but i would to hear your and MadlyMesozoic's take on it
Damn really puts into perspective how well sapiens would have done in the morisson compared to the neanderthals. Fire , long ranged weapons and spike pits too op
Still wouldn’t be successful and would mostly be eaten by raptors, pterosaurs, and crocodiles. Most hunt attempts would fail or barely succeed. We wouldn’t do well. Good our ancestors never met dinosaurs because if they did this comment wouldn’t exist
@@joemwedge sapiens has more hunting options . Fire for example could be ussed to scare animals off cliffs , and spike traps and long ranged spears would help minimize casualties in planned hunts. Ofc ambushes by predators would still be able to destroy human hunting parties , but I believe that the adaptability of sapiens would allow it slowly increase it's population over time instead of going extinct.
@@villager736Those animals were mostly k-selected reproducers, meaning if you kill an offspring you can send a population back a couple of years in growth. This wasn’t the case with dinosaurs, they were used to high mortality for their offsprings, which is why they laid dozens upon dozens of eggs.
This reminds me of "the planet where incessant downpours crush anything that doesn't hide, predator and prey alike." Speaking of which, could Arti survive the mid-late paleozoic?
Rain World, The Artificer. A setting not made for large beings, as they cannot hide from the end of the cycles. The size* limit for 100% terrestrials that can drown is that of an alligator. *mass. (Red centipedes are the apex predator, usually larger, but they are lightweighted.) The creature shown is a wine red slugcat, with only one eye left, capable of using spears and making explosives if enough food is aviable. She also has other abbilities and disadvantages, but this should be a good base.
I think itd be interesting to see various primates brought to different eras. A video on later Homo Sapiens as they were migrating from africa instead getting dropped into like the dense jungles of the carboniferous period i personally think would be super cool. Never see any discussion about how humans would perform in that period.
Since Europe consisted of a subtropical archipelago with smaller Dinosaurs during most of the later Mesozoic, they'd arguably fare much better there since Neanderthals were found in subtropical climates during the Pleistocene like the Levant.
Good analysis but I think they'd fare quite a bit better. They could throw those spears and kill at a distance of maybe 50 or 60 feet. This would make them very dangerous to the predators as well if they could hit them from a hidden location behind cover. And it would make it tough for even large predators to take kills from them, giving them time to retreat if they persisted past the barrage of rocks and stone-tipped spears. Even if the spears weren't effective because of armor, they'd still have a few seconds to get out of there. Just my view. You may be right though. Great video.
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Cave hyenas niche-partitioned with Neandertals, taking chiefly medium-sized prey while Neandertals focused on mammoths and other large herbivores
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Neanderthals regularly hunted 13-tonne straight-tusked elephants. They lived in large communities year-round at the Neumark-Nord sites in western Germany www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add8186
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"_Choice For Next Video_"
A. Could Megaraptora Family
Survive The Cenozoic (Ice Age)
B. Could Pachycephalosauria Family
Survive The Nowadays (Meet Lions)
Pachycephalosauria
Vs
Modern Predators
C. Could Megalania
Survive The Jurassic (Vs Allosaurus)
Largest Lizard Meet Jurassic Dinosaurs
D. Could Allosaurus
Survive The Cretaceous
[ What If : Allosaurus Meet T-Rex ]
With regards to the german climate, that was on the northern end of known neanderthal range. Rather, most neanderthals would have inhabited more southern areas of Europe especially Spain and even into the middle east. In these places temperatures reach the 90s basically every day during the summer and they are equally as arid and seasonal as the morrison. Look at the climate of seville where temperatures average 97f during the during the summer. This would have been near the heart of neanderthal range in southern europe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seville#Climate.
Correction, they used throwing spears as far back as 300,000 to 400,000 years ago, hell the shonagin spears might have been derived hidalbergensis ancestors.
So question for you, is Saurophaganax a Theropod or Sauropod?
You know where/when the Neanderthals would've done better? The Prince Creek Formation/general Late Cretaceous Alaska. It's an at least decently forested environment, the flora's more similar to that of a modern temperate to boreal forest, the climate's far better for them, there are less types of carnivores (Only really Nanuqsaurus, and potentially large troodontids, *maybe* a dromaeosaur or two) to worry about, and Edmontosaurus and Pachyrhinosaurus would be decent options for hunting (especially considering that Pachyrhinosaurus is a four-legged herbivore that defends using its head while having a notable blind-spot behind its frill and relatively unprotected hindquarters, so hunting tactics that work on rhinos and mammoths/elephants would probably be quite effective against it).
The only downsides I can imagine are as follows:
While the local plants are similar to those of today, plants traditionally considered edible to humans are in rather short supply (though I guess there's always bark and moss in a pinch...), it's often understated just how big Nanuqsaurus is (about 10 metres long, not quite a T. rex but still quite large for a tyrannosaur), and while the two large herbivores are quite hefty, they're maybe a bit less bulky than pachyderms (plus the other local herbivores, such as ornithomimids and pachycephalosaurs, are too fast, too small, or both). The Prince Creek and Cantwell Formations are also thought to have been deposited in wet lowland conditions not too far from the coast, so I can't imagine there being a lot of caves in the region. The wet climate and muddy, marshy conditions could also potentially make starting (let alone *finding* ) fires more challenging.
Neanderthal Kid: "He followed me home, can I keep him?"
Him: (a massive Allosaurus)
I want to keep him
No, I want that Allosaurus
Allosaurus: "Your son calls me daddy now."
*every single able bodied Neanderthal in the camp with a weapon in hand being startled*
"What the fuck"
Son, he's stalking you
so basically neanderthals have 2 option evolve into hobbit like orborial creatures or evolve into primarch sized gigachad hunters (or just died out)
Praise the unga bunga emperor
@@quinnbuffet3825 post neanderthal VUlCAN looking at allosaurus:"I would like to pet this creature"
Primal is the emperor’s origin story
In other words, homo naledi or gigantopithecus (even though gigantopithicus aren't a human genus)
@@michaelhamar3305
*CORVUS CORAX* : NO DO NOT PET THE ANCIENT MURDER MACHINE VULKAN
*VULKAN* : IM GONNA BOOP DA SNOOT!!!
*CORVUS CORAX* : NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
*VULKAN* : BOOOOOOOOOP
Peak (I will never do humans in a different time period)
I will take this burden from you, brother
Damn... 😔
I will punish you in the Hippodrome
bro does NOT want to send himself 😭🙏
Bet
This takes the whole caveman and dinosaur trope to a whole new level.
I figured that somebody had to do it!
Only if you take big dinosaurs instead of smaller species.
From now when anyone asks me to make a similar video i will simply link this one
I am honored to relieve you of this burden
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Unless of course you put the Neanderthals in a radically different Mesozoic formation's ecosystem, like Shaximiao, Yixian, Hell Creek, Dinosaur Park or Prince Creek?
I was caught off guard when the video started because I was sure it was yours, didn't even give a thought to read the creator because it seemed so obvious
Do you REALLY think that will stop us from asking? You shall receive no peace sir.
Being a neanderthal myself...how i would hunt dinosaurs is with a really big sharp stick. Maybe throw some bigger rocks than usual.
Good plan
I'm a Neanderthal too! (~1%). Let' paint such dinosaurs on Cretaceous cave walls and blow everything paleontologists and anthropologists will think they know out of the water.
Have you considered trying two sharp sticks?
Being a dinosaur myself... thanks for the info about your plans. We got this now.
GENİUS
I feel that dinosaur eggs would greatly increase hunger score, as large sauropod nesting sites could be easy meals and protean for neanderthals between hunts. Even if they are guarded, neanderthals could use groups and distractions to lure away dinosaurs. Its arguable that humans poaching eggs is what caused moa and elephant bird extinctions, so i can see dinosaurs recieving a similar but lessor treatment.
That and other facts. Group behavior in allosaurs? Not proven. Not even juveniles, if so, not in that size. Spears. Neanderthals were not dumb. As hunters, they would instantly recognize the juveniles and the big ones being predators. Predators are cowards for survival. A herbivore can munch on vegetation with one eye or a broken leg. A predator, not so much. They would instantly go for the eyes. Poke one out. Even in group behavior, the others see one of them has a debilitating injury and they run. Would they come back? Only if they were desperate enough. That one comes back and maybe has a successful hunt? Neanderthals are humans, hominids, sapient enough to hold grudges. That lame allosaurus would be the next meal, because, and here comes the tiger example, humans are not nutritious. The video says, Neanderthals are not dumb, yet it made them look as a picky guys. Camptosaurus isn't enough, we ditch it and go for the armored ones, they aren't enough either? then we go bigger. How about both. A Gargoyleosaurus would provide something helpful too: osteoderm adorned garments. In short: ARMOR, bitches! I am not saying they would become apex predators. But crafty ones to at least lv 6.
Except dinosaurs are prolific breeders. Sauropods lays huge clutches of eggs 15 to 20 or even 30 eggs per batch not to mention all the females of breeding age all mate and lay their eggs together as in the flood the whole place with eggs
@@andrewgan557 Timefor the Neanderthals to go from meat to literal poached eggs diet. That is a LOT of scrambled eggs :D
@@madmanarrivednow the only problem is that there's too many eggs and there's a chance you might end up getting killed by the nest raiders as well.
@@andrewgan557 Use nests as bait, kill other raiding animals, steel some eggs, have a full breakfast... and lunch... and dinner.
No wonder Spear's tribe got obliterated in PRIMAL. At least they didn't go down without a fight.
Spears tribe got obliterated because he inherited all the Chad energy they could spare and saved none for anyone else.
There's never been a single animal, fierce or large, that have been able to go toe-to-toe with organized Human groups.
I could beat up a one small dwarf, but an army of dwarfs could kick my ass.
Godzilla.
@@joelsonlimadeoliveiraolive9924organized human groups have brought him down or killed Godzilla 7 times
@@joelsonlimadeoliveiraolive9924okay wait that's a bit overkill
Also, there's pretty much no environment humans haven't been able to colonize and thrive in. Neanderthals might've preferred a colder climate for a variety of reasons, but they were probably perfectly able to adapt to a hotter climate if they had to.
Bro had to nerf humans bychoosing the Neanderthals, because Humans throwing spears would be an avengers level threat for the eco system.
It would increase their hunger score, but as for Hanger, the Allosaurus would be even worse for us. Like the video said, they were used to injuries while hunting, and in melee we are much weaker and less sturdy than the Neanderthal.
@@Raptor_Ren Except that we know for sure early humans had ranged weaponry like bows, spearthrowers, slings, etc. the main reason why the scenario is unfavorable is because we have no evidence currently of Neanderthals having ranged weapons so in this thought experiment they would have NO CHOICE but to fight these huge predators in melee combat, Homo sapiens doesn't have this restriction so they would fair much better against these predators. There's no animal that's going to be able to handle getting stabbed by spears up close while also getting pierced by arrows and spears from a distance, most predators would just give up against that intense of a defense especially predators as large as Allosaurus when humans are barely a snack
@ Fair argument. I’d still say there’s a chance Allosaurus would ignore such damage, as, again, the frequency of injury we see in the fossil record indicates a recklessness in the way they attack, much like a modern wolverine or honey badger. The death by stegosaurus may have been outliers from desperation during famine, and they may ignore humans so long as food sauropods were available.
With lower calorie needs as well, we wouldn’t need to hunt the same prey they do either. It’s even theorized calorie efficiency is at least part of why we succeeded over the Neanderthal. They needed twice the calories to support the aforementioned robust bodies. Less calories needed=larger tribes that can be formed, more safety in numbers.
Pit fall traps for dinosaurs would be a super easy method of sourcing large quantities of food.
then poke with stick til dead
I was thinking the same. It's a large time and energy investment but it would be probably be one of the most reliable methods of hunting the large beasts. Not only because of the injuries sustained from the fall, but also because their biomechanics are not at all suited for climbing which requires a large range of motion and traction. They have to be smart in order to recognize the danger, which is the real question. Can they outsmart a mammal brain? Even the mammals of today can still get hit by such a trap, and they are undeniably smart/timid (think of feral hogs).
Even just pits.
You know whats gonna happen when 3 tonn meatbrick fall a meter? A fracture.
Why are we assuming they require Mammoth sized dinosaurs? If they hunted smaller prey, they would just naturally split into smaller tribes. Also, there are thousands of other dino's that existed that we don't even know about. I don't think finding enough food would be an issue at all. 10/10
Plus let's not ignore eggs.
Because these dinosaurs would’ve been far more beneficial for a group of Neanderthals over smaller prey, which was what was mentioned in the video.
Hunting smaller prey while less lethal than hunting larger animals, would likely put them into even more competition. Their best route is likely going to for to a niche that isn’t that competitive, this is what they did with Cave Hyenas, hunted Mammoths more often while Cave Hyenas focused on the more medium sized prey.
@@sneckotheveggieavenger9380Eggs could be a possible resource but they’ll only be a seasonal thing, that’s the issue. They need to survive entire seasons in order to find eggs. For quite literally eggs, could be a part of their diet but they need other food sources prior to that.
Shoutout to Wood Pigeon, who joined the channel after this video was completed! Thank you for your support!
Could Megaraptora Family
Survive The Cenozoic (Ice Age)
Could Pachycephalosauria Family
Survive The Nowadays (Meet Lions)
Pachycephalosauria
Vs
Modern Predators
Could Megalania
Survive The Jurassic (Vs Allosaurus)
Largest Lizard Meet Jurassic Dinosaurs
Could Allosaurus
Survive The Cretaceous
[ What If : Allosaurus Meet T-Rex ]
@@NeoyouseiNewFairy Pachy would dominate any predator beside us nowadays
Imagine a tribe of Neanderthals hunting a massive stegosaurus. They struggle and begin to retreat. And then an 8 ton Saurophaganax pulls up and kills it no-problem. Absolute cinema
Saurophaganax reached upwards of 4 tons, based on controversial estimates. But it would cool, I guess.
Saurophaganax is a dubius genus
@@pitbullgaming646 There are still giant Allosaurid remains from the area so no it’s not
@@SamuRhino2023 By dubious they mean paleontologists are debating whether it is simply an Allosaurus species 'maximus' or a distinct genus, not whether it exists or not.
@ Ah, thx, I usually get that mixed up with validity.
Excellent video as usual and I would largely agree with the assessment. I believe the best formation for Neanderthals to survive in would have been the Yixian formation since it’s rather cold, has a fair share of big game, and a comparative lack of big predators.
With all that said, I believe that you missed something important that would have aided the Neanderthals in survival and that is the truly vast supply of juvenile sauropods that would all be fending for themselves. One sauropod would have laid anywhere between 15 and 40 eggs per clutch as the Auca Mahuevo site indicates. If there were 100 sauropods in a herd that laid eggs around the same time of year then that means that there would be anywhere between 1,500 and 4,000 little sauropods roaming around. Add in the fact that it takes many years for a sauropod to grow and you have an ecosystem filled to the brim with sauropods of the size that Neanderthals would consider ripe for harvest.
I think he's assuming a much higher fatality rate from predation than would actually happen, seeing as Neanderthals are much more physically resilient than modern people.
@@Afrologist also larger theropods would most likely not even bother trying to hunt humans considering how little they'd get out of it, a neanderthal is like what at most 200+ lbs, to a 4 ton Allosaurus the effort it'd likely take to kill a human and eat it is absolutely not worth it, no matter what it's likely going to sustain an injury which is terrible for basically no reward. And smaller theropods would have even more trouble against humans when there were other easier, more valuable food sources for them to go after.
I wouldn't be here sooner if not for Madly Mesozoic's Discord. This is going to be hype.
I'll see you there on Saturday!
@@TheVividen Worthwhile for sure. 👍
A thing that could genuinely be a problem would be the lack of Vitamin C. Most if not all of our Vitamin C sources come from flowering plants which didn't exist yet so we would either need to somehow find another source or go extinct from scurvy.
We could go the Inuit route and eat certain viscera raw, like the kidneys and livers. Not sure if reptilian viscera contain VitC in sufficient quantities, though.
Wrong. Vitamin C exists in meat and is better absorbed with the absence of sugars.
Not necessarily. Most vitamin C doesn’t even come from flowering plants. A lot of flowering plants today offer much of our vitamin C, yes, but that doesn’t mean it’s the only source.
Ferns and leaves are already a very readily available source of vitamin C, and our ancestors exploited this by boiling or outright eating them raw. Meat is also a very, very rich substance full of vitamin C. No animal can live without vitamin C, so it’s synthesized throughout the liver and spread throughout the body.
Fruits did also exist around the dinosaurs, but admittedly very late in the Cretaceous.
But another source would be predators. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, so they could be a source of vitamin C as well. So even if somehow ferns, leaves, plants, herbivores, etc didn’t have vitamin C, the carnivores would have it.
@Mael-vk1itthey don't even know how to eat a animal properly besides eating it's flesh and fat lol
@Mael-vk1it The vitamin C that exists in meat, that is, muscle tissue specifically, is negligible. Offal, or organ meat, _does_ have significant amounts of vitamin C, but that gets destroyed by heat if cooked to any degree, and will, therefore, not be bioavailable. On the other hand, eating animal food raw will be dangerous because of the risk of parasitic infection. The inhabitants of the Arctic can get away with it simply because there are far fewer parasites there than elsewhere.
I love that after asking TH-cam to notify me of this it notified me of everything but this.
Tricky little weasel!
Im glad you called them human because Neanderthals are human, and they would absolutely dominate, a pit trap would take down any predator
Doing what Madly never would... you're a hero!
Or a different kind of madman...
Allosaurus was the crackhead stealing copper out of abandoned buildings and mugging suburbanites of the Jurassic.
Wonder how much better early homosapiens would do? Better fire control and throwing spears would be pretty helpful.
too bad no branch of humanity made it, still we have better healthcare than those petty sapiens
@@ceiling_cat I mean in a way they kind of did survive.
Neanderthals were not early humans. They were a different brother group of humans. They were just as modern as modern humans, just a little different in skills
They were early because they disapeared lol
Request for next video:
How well will Cenozoic sharks do in the Cretaceous Oceans?
Roster:
Megalolamna
Hemipristis serra
Paratodus benedenii
Carcharodon Hastalis
Alopias palatasi and palatasi
Otodus megalodon and Otodus chubutensis
Good idea! I would say _Rhincodon typus_ (whale shark) would be quite interesting for that situation. The video should focus primarily on whether the climate and habitat could suit such sharks, and not just whether various predators that collectively existed for a fraction of the Mesozoic would be able to murder them.
Megalodon would just dominate, simple and square even the cretaceous and Triassic giant ichthyosaurs and mosasaurs
They would eventually dominate if they survive long enough. They will most likely struggle in the beginning, but quickly adapt to their environment. Pit traps will be their first innovation, imo. This is because it is a highly effective method to take out large prey easily and defend their homes from large predators. This will be closely followed by the invention of ranged weapons, better and longer spears, and defence formations, and a higher emphasis on weaponisation of fire. If these help them survive long enough they figure out how to use metals, the dinosaur population doesn't really stand a chance.
It wouldn’t be that hard to make spiked moats and wooden palisades that although possible to for a large predator to breach, would be sufficiently difficult as to discourage them.
@@Shaun_Jones Yeas, these would discourage large theropods since the risk is too high for the reward. Spikes could also be coated with various things such that they are practically guaranteed to cause an infection.
I also think that the pressure from large predators will lead the Neanderthals to develop combat formations similar to the phalanx, or something similar meant to deal with large theropods. Also, I think that the Neanderthals will quickly develop spear throwers and bows and just use "volume of fire" tactics against the theropods. These tactics were historically used against war elephants with great success.
@@doompenguin7453 I can see why the video didn’t talk about technological advancement, because that’s a whole can of worms that could go on forever, but I do consider it an oversight that there is no mention at all of the Neanderthals adapting their tools to the new environment.
That’s true, but a major thing you’re overlooking is in order to make inventions they have to be familiar with the materials within the environment first, which would likely take decades or even more, because the ecosystem is far different from Pleistocene.
If they want to dominate the environment they’ll have to explode in populations. That’ll be difficult to achieve if they’re under existential threat constantly and have to compete with more common predators, not only that but worry about predation as well from fast reproductive predators.
Even when they coexisted with Cave Hyenas, they were forced to niche partition, by hunting adult Mammoths for example (Something and no other animal could do), and even became prey items for the latter.
Main problem is it’s far more difficult to niche partition, especially since pretty much all the large prey are taken by Theropods.
@@denistyrant Honestly, mammals are more dangerous than dinosaurs, so humans would be fine.
Mammals are just built to be more successful, and a common misconception is that size/weight = danger and success. A sabertooth or terror bird is a massive existential threat to a human compared to an allosaurus, and humans dominated the former two.
Humans are just too successful of a design to struggle. That, and the periods where the dinosaurs roamed are too rich with resources for us to fail. Our biggest existential threats have always been famine, disease, and the elements. Fauna and wildlife around the Mesozoic were just too plentiful and there wasn’t a shortage of it.
I definitely think raptors, alligators, and snakes would be a massive problem, but I think humans would eventually adapt and overcome them like we did in the Pleistocene, minus the raptors.
I can realistically see the biggest threat to humans being, humans. We’d create our own problems through tribal conflicts or create famine by overhunting. I just can’t see how even an allosaurus would be a significant threat to a tribe full of men with spears. Like, sure, there’s always a nuance. A tribe full of sick or lacking of men could get torn to shreds. But a tribe with experienced hunters and warriors will be eating allosaurus for breakfast. Literally.
The meteor would’ve been late to the party if Uncle Ooga lived back then.
Mammoths are the same size as Rexes, I don't think they'll struggle as much as you'd think on the surface. They aren't modern Humans, Neanderthals can take massive damage & still survive.
@ I know. I’m saying you wouldn’t need the meteor to unsubscribe dinosaurs if Cavemen lived back then.
Our ancestors get slept on a lot but they were monsters in their own right
@@AfrologistT-rex can also take heavy damage and continue attacking. They are not mammals. Neanderthals would have chewed like mints.
@@Afrologist Did you watch the video???
@@joelsonlimadeoliveiraolive9924 Humans would still ultimately win. You don't even need to necessarily kill it to win. Damage it's leg badly enough so that it can't move and it starves. Another option is to use pitfall traps with pointed sticks covered in poop. They could also just hunt their eggs enough to the point where the go extinct.
7:54 you also have to remember that meat would spoil a lot faster in the heat of the Morrison, so bringing down large game would just result in a much higher risk to the hunters with no increase in reward
Re: getting massacred by stegosaurus? I kinda doubt it. Tail weapons don't really have the best attack arc and stegosaurus needs to contend with multiple hunters from all sides, possibly throwing things at it too and very likely using terrain to their advantage. I think a stego kill is very doable.
Don't forgot the good old pit trap. All those defenses mean nothing if all your bones and broken.
Considering even hunting parties today suffer great casualties against large animals (Who are more advanced in weaponry than Neanderthals), it’s very likely that the same would apply here.
This is also not forgetting to mention that Stegosaurus were herding animals, this would’ve made successful hunting a lot more difficult, on top of the fact Stegosaurus was likely more agile than a Proboscidean of similar size. Dealing with hunters at multiple sides is going to be an issue sure, but it’s going to do far better than a Palaeoloxodon antiquus because it was quite literally used to defending itself against agile predators such as Allosaurus.
As mentioned with Palaeoloxodon antiquus, they only target bulls, because they were more solitary than females and didn’t really have any herd to protection (With the exception of bachelors herd)
@@denistyrant The thing is that there is nothing stopping the Neanderthals from just advancing more in weaponry. You also forgot humanities greatest weapon, fire.
It's the perfect counter to just about everything. It scares away predators, and you can use it to lure prey into pitfall traps or off cliffs.
@ In order to advance more in weaponry, they need to get more familiar with their environment which can take years. Also they used fire for a while, but Cave Hyenas were still dominant against them based on isotopic analysis. Fire is great, but it’s useless if you’re surrounded by a pack of Allosaurus
Maybe they can adapt it eventually, but it would be very difficult to do so, and there it’s very possible by that point Neanderthals already have a lower population than when they first appeared in the Morrison Formation.
@@denistyrant If you have fire in the first place you wont be surrounded by allosaurus. Also if you injury then enough they will just leave.
12:53 I think it's important to mention that Neanderthals were FAR stronger than their homo sapiens counterparts. Untrained female Neanderthals were speculated to be able to lift around 320-350 Lbs.
I feel like a regular hunter-gatherer tribe of Neanderthals (familiar with dealing with big cats and bears) would likely handle the champawat tiger far better compared to the small impoverished farming villages of homo sapiens it often targeted.
Also. the tiger mostly went for women & children.
This is a very great video otherwise and I greatly thank you for creating it.
sorry if this sounds scatterbrained btw lol
They were not FAR stronger, just a bit
The tiger part irritated me a bit. The tiger went after unsuspecting alone victims in a long period, it can do nothing to a group of tightly protected human like the scenario presented.
@@khactungnguyen6772 Yea I was scratching my head because it wasn't a relevant comparison at all, the tiger is an ambush hunter that hunted individual unarmed humans over a long period of time, it's not like it just ran up on a group of 400+ humans and killed them all lmao, which is what the scenario with the Allosaurus was talking about
Thrive or eaten alive: Neanderthal edition! Respect for tackling what feels like a very bold topic to cover.
h/10 video
Join Dangerville, Godzilla Guy and Madly Mesozoic and make a hybrid of your own to beat the Indomitable Tyrant known as Indominus Rex 2.0.
Oh man, I'm tempted
If you do end up throwing your hat into the ring, I have a few suggestions. Indom 2 has a high metabolism and can reproduce genetically identical clones of itself. I recommend you exploit those potential weakness as well as pop culture raptor packing behavior via potent poison secretions or agile envenomation. I would've suggested something from dart frogs to give Indom a seizure or something, but those toxins are apparently diet related. Given it's built, I think you can get away with an upscaled jaguar. I don't know if this Indom is agile or dexterous enough to deal with a cat on its nape.
@@TheVividen Easy solution, GIANT SAUROPOD
Sugestion to video: Could 2005 King Kong survive in Pandora from James Cameron Avatar?
No for a simple reason: he could not even breath the atmosphere
I love these types of videos.
I have an idea! The thylacoleo from the ark survival series. How would it do in the mesozoic, Cenozoic, and modern times
12:50 it was Killing random humans in highly urbanized society and a stealth hunter. I am pretty sure it fares differently when the humans are wilderness folk and it isn't an ambush hunter.
4:48 and the Frieza reference killed me lol
What
I dont get it
This might be the worst time period for Neanderthals, Id like to see them in a more forested & cool time period (maybe the Jurassic?). I think Sapiens would perform better in this video’s premise… Id also like to see a speculative section of how Neanderthals would have to evolve to compete with the mega herbivores & predators Im this video, as well as the heat. Maybe a taller & lankier build for more reach & less internal heat, using mud or plant dyes as “sun block”, developing new weapons and strategies…
[edit] I just finished the video, and you mentioned how this was the hardest time period for them. Sorry for the redundancy 😂. Btw, I loved the part about domesticating small therapods
I can only imagine the horror of an Allosaurus walking up on you unawares.
You're crazy if you think hunting a mammoth (a massive hot blooded mammal) is less dangerous than hunting a glorified giant lizard.
I mean, depending on the dino it is like a mix between giant lizard and giant bird.
Lizards and dinosaurs are completely different species, and not all dinosaurs were giant liazrds. Most of them were small.
As someone writing a Human Seedworld rn (Which I may eventually publish on YT) I found this very helpful, thanks
Mammals really never had a chance. Brutal.
Nah, they'd win. Most of these monsters can be taken down by a simple pit, not even necessarily spiked. Also, author had to nerf humans to neanderthals, homo sapiens are better adapted to heat and throw spears wich mean no need for close combat with megafauna. Oh, and control fire. With so much food I really don't see how you can lose
Came for how well hominids would fare against theropods, stayed for the funny clip art “animation” comedy of Neanderthals being pummeled by dinosaurs and the jokes!
Absolute peak survival video!
I like the timeline where Stokesosaurus and Neanderthals team up. Morrison Formation is still hell for them of course, but this will help them not die out as fast! Great video man! I wonder if you’re planning to do other primates in other time periods?
Potentially, depending on how this one does!
@@TheVividensubscribed specifically for more
@@TheVividen Hoping this does numbers then!!
12:28 Is that Freiza?!
They call me the parfait
"How about you EVOLVE into someone who can get some bitches monkey!" -Allosaurus probably.
Neandertals might have coped better in what is now Antarctica, which had a much higher rainfall, and even some snow during winter. The area was forested, allowing plenty of cover for ambush or avoiding large predators, and high rainfall would have meant many small streams for drinking water, again minimising risk from predators. Also, I think a small group of Neanderthals would easily bring down a 6,000 kg glacialisaurus. They figured out how to bring down large mammoths, and sauropods were not physically equipped to be as aggressive. A sauropod would be confused by a human, rather than alarmed, so a few Neandertals could easily distract it, allowing for a flank-attack. A decent stab into a hind foot before retreating, then distract on the injured side, and strike the other foot. A 6 tonne animal would soon collapse from such injuries, allowing an easy kill.
I do think it makes the most sense for them to attack and kill the horse sized one tonne dinosaur. Simoky because as you said, Elephants were seasonal game for them so if they instead maintain regular killing of Dinosaurs as their food source the 1 tonner makes the most sense.
I don't know when the behaviour appeared in humans but humans tended to use herd behaviour to our advantage by herding in hunting. Maybe the Neanderthals like largely use that as well rather than direct hunting.
I don't think that 400 kills tiger is relevant. That tiger killed unarmed farmers, not experienced killing machines like neantherthales
I agree but like, the difference isn't being Neantherals the difference is being woodsmen instead of farmers.
@AmachiEligwe That's right! That's like using that instance when a lion killed a polar bear in a zoo, as argument for lions being stronger than polar bears. Or God forbid that instance when a wolverine killed a polar bear, ALLEGEDLY
Also the tiger killed them one by one over a long period of time, it's not like scenario of an adult Allosaurus killing a hunting party
"_Choice For Next Video_"
A. Could Megaraptora Family
Survive The Cenozoic (Ice Age)
B. Could Pachycephalosauria Family
Survive The Nowadays (Meet Lions)
Pachycephalosauria
Vs
Modern Predators
C. Could Megalania
Survive The Jurassic (Vs Allosaurus)
Largest Lizard Meet Jurassic Dinosaurs
D. Could Allosaurus
Survive The Cretaceous
[ What If : Allosaurus Meet T-Rex ]
I want B
I'm gonna be honest here. Any carnivores that is the same height with an average neanderthal would need to square up with the grim reaper himself. They might as well cook something similar to that of the black Goo from Primal. The thing when It trasform Spear to the goddamn Incredible hulk. It's basically a temporary kaioken.
Yea it's absolutely not worth it, it's like a 200 lb prey animal that will put up an absolutely ferocious defense with spears and a large group with dozens of members, many of them also being armed with spears
I'm curious how differently homo sapiens would have fared in the same circumstance, since they are known for sure to control fire, domestication, among other things.
I feel like homo sapiens would do better, as we are more proficient with ranged weapons, have better endurance, and lived in larger groups. Getting into melee with most dinosaurs doesn't seem like a good idea, regardless of your strength.
We also have a significantly lower caloric requirement.
Now if modern humans with technology went to the mesozoic, we would farm souropods..
I’m doing a paper on Neanderthals, this video helped me so thanks, also it was fun to watch and speculate. Looks like sapiens would have been the right choice for the Morrison
Don't forget to state that they were awesome.
Can’t wait for the video on the Dutch in the Mesozoic
I really like this video. I am interested in de difference between neanderthals and homo sapiens. How different would it play out.
If Aboriginals can survive and thrive in prehistoric Australia, I think they'll do just fine in the Mesozoic. In fact, it'll probably feel like home:
Giant carnivorous lizards ✅
Crocodilians ✅
Inhospitable climate ✅
Few edible plants ✅
13:56 Speaking of dragons....you might be interested in this week's upload.
Great video, and a shame I missed out on some Pleistocene Eurasia ecology in the one I'm working on but that's life. I'll be sure to link this video for the Neanderthal aspect of it.
Also interesting how we got "lucky" by getting more mild carnivores who didn't go for the elephants we threw big sticks at.
This was awesome. The formation I suspect would be most weighted in Neanderthalensis' favor would be the Dashanpu Formation, and I think it would be nice to throw them a bone in this case. I would love to see a video on that.
Considering the mention of tail based weaponry being a problem for neanderthals, maybe the Cretaceous would be a better spot for them? More elephant-esque food items in the form of ceratopsians, and the large super carnivores, like torvo and sauraphagonax wouldn't actively be hunting them. Furthermore, you've got more potential for domestication with the multitude of small to medium sized raptors, such as dromeosaurus and velociraptor
Love your videos, pls do could giant mammals survive peter Jacksons skull Island in the future pls.
Awesome, loved the video! I’d love to see a video on how they would do in the Cretaceous period!
I would love to see more of this human humanity type of thing.How long can it last?I wanna see the next part
I wonder if Homo Sapiens just two hundred thousand years ago would survive in the Morrison Formation instead? 🤔
My man is using the memes correctly and I’m Here for it
The whole time you were mentioning about the allosaurus mauling the Neanderthals i got genuine ARK vibes lmao
When I make gunpla I feel my ancestors in me. I enjoy whittling a little figurine like an ancient stone spear.
14:26 read the book called The Invaders, they explained why Neanderthals count domesticate wolves meanwhile we could and work together with them brining Neanderthals to extinction. Basically Neanderthals lacked the larger prefrontal cortex and social adaptations to communicate, teach and think of domestication, plus they were ambush and more carnivorous compared to sapiens thus meaning dogs of Porto wolves wouldn’t work well with them and compete even more for food.
Re: unkillable sauropods?
I think you just need a lot bigger spear. And maybe an ambush in dense foliage or terrain to give it less freedom to maneuver that tail. Given their preference for megafauna I would think they are not taking too many casualties against them because it just isn't worth doing if they are
Nothing the good old pitfall trap and fire wont solve
@@villager736 Head too high for spears? Pitfall trap. Tail whip too dangerous? Pitfall trap. Can trample us to death? Can no more, for their legs are broken after falling for the pitfall trap.
the fire assumption is weird...
Maybe they just... made big fires, considering we know that had culture, ceremonies and rituals. Or maybe for cooking very large amounts of food.
But, yeah... allosaurus would be a bad time.
This came from BBC and that not good
Ark survial evolved or ascended that is all you have to say. Jk
Confession: I've never played Ark
@@TheVividenplease try one I’d say ark ascended since mods add diversity
@@TheGenericDragonKeeperevoled also have that
@wallet-warrior-1 sorry I used to mention it has cross console compatibility with mods not pc only
9:20 Is that Aki Rosenthal next to the Brachiosaurus?
It is interesting to speculate how fast Neanderthals could adapt like could they adapt to new enviroments as fast as Homo Sapiens? The idea is that this new envrioment with new dangers would drive innovation as they try to find solutions for their problems. True that they might not have developed the skill to make fires themselves and make bows and what not in our timeline, but perhaps they would if faced with dinosaurs. Making your own fire to scare off predators and bows to make further and sneakier long ranged attacks against predators and prey. Maybe they could develop fortified settlements as the huge size of prey and maybe the abundance in an area plus the potential lack of suitable caves and the need for protection from predation and the elements would drive them to develop settlements with "artifial caves" made of mud and clay with structural air conditioning against the heat like some cultures did in our timeline. One could speculate about it alot
An unique video topic I never expected you to make a video on! I'm surprised but also at the same time not surprised at the Neanderthals not surviving the Morrison formation.
I had thought they'd do marginally well but hadn't anticipated their eradication that's for sure , at the end of the video I wondered if the Neanderthals might do better surviving the Wessex formation of the Cretaceous period?
Neanderthal seems unfair for the period… erectus or even florensiensus would’ve been much more fair simply because they could handle the climate
Easily. Forests was off limits for very big dinosaurs, they couldn't walk there. It was place for moderatly sized animals, including juvenile dinosaurs.
Ceratosaurus and Torvosaurus lived in forested regions, heck even Allosaurus were found in forested regions
Really Great Video!!!
He had to specify neanderthals because he knew that modern man would dominate the dinosaur era. And not with brutr strength, just like we always do we'll use brain.
Early Humans watching as an enraged Titanosaur Sauropod obliterates their home and decimate half their whole hunting party in one tail swing just becuase their party was too loud: (It’s truly over for them.) 🫠
Doubt it would hear them well
I genuinely think that they'd survive. We would, anyway. We've coexisted with similar creatures in worse circumstances before.
Thank you for your comment!
Not even close
Your entire video about neathendals was bad.
Like, total lack of knowledge.
Netherlands could make traps and fire since they are capable of making them.
Why don't you consider fact that neathendals are stronger than Homo sapiens.
@@whiteeye3453 okay didn’t go to total detail but is still true to the point that they’d be forced to hide in caves and trees and get eaten left and right by allos, raptors, ceratos, etc
@@joemwedge Wich they kill them.
Sure at begging they had hard but once they stabilize they could evolve ither Homo sapiens or more Homo neathendals like spear or pickle to deal with dinos.
Great video! Though I remember hearing that saurophaganax turned out to be a sauropod while the other bones were allosaurus, or sumthin.
nice work, well reasoned
I think the low oxygen levels alone will be a big trouble for the humans. Let alone the ecosystem.
1:46 finally neanderthal get a good pr
They're tough customers!
Neanderthals have orbital sockets twice as large as that of homo sapiens, this suggests they would have had exceptional night vision and be adapted for nocturnal behavior which they definitely would have stuck with if placed in a hot arid environment like this one.
Allosaurus is so frickin cool
Question :
How would Homo Sapiens fare in ths Mesozoic?
Would they survive and thrive and have something like the Ark or Pellucidar civilizations or will they become extinct?
Since Homo Sapiens preferred ranged combat over melee, unlike Neanderthals
Amazing video
That whole food section honestly gives an idea of why neanderthals went extinct. They had to eat a shitton and for some reason lacked anything longer range than a thrown spear, so getting that much meat must have been a bitch to do without dying a lot or losing more energy than you gain.
Awesome video, would live to see a break down of how homo sapien sapien would do, as well as maybe including any differences there may be between true homo sapien, and the early Neanderthal and homo sapien mixes that wiuld have occured in early human history.
Correction 2, they indeed could start fires, via spining wood and or striking flints.
I was actually working on an art project with this same concept, but I was thinking about having the Neanderthals focus on hunting smaller animals. Because killing large herbivores might end up summoning a larger carnivore
Would it be possible for you to cover the Dragons from the Last Dragon Fantasy Made Real documentary and put them in the Mesozoic to see how well they would actually fair some kinda already did it but i would to hear your and MadlyMesozoic's take on it
Damn really puts into perspective how well sapiens would have done in the morisson compared to the neanderthals. Fire , long ranged weapons and spike pits too op
Still wouldn’t be successful and would mostly be eaten by raptors, pterosaurs, and crocodiles. Most hunt attempts would fail or barely succeed. We wouldn’t do well. Good our ancestors never met dinosaurs because if they did this comment wouldn’t exist
@@joemwedge sapiens has more hunting options . Fire for example could be ussed to scare animals off cliffs , and spike traps and long ranged spears would help minimize casualties in planned hunts. Ofc ambushes by predators would still be able to destroy human hunting parties , but I believe that the adaptability of sapiens would allow it slowly increase it's population over time instead of going extinct.
@@joemwedge Humans are just too adaptable to fail like that. We evolved alongside large animals and look now, they are extinct.
@@villager736Those animals were mostly k-selected reproducers, meaning if you kill an offspring you can send a population back a couple of years in growth. This wasn’t the case with dinosaurs, they were used to high mortality for their offsprings, which is why they laid dozens upon dozens of eggs.
This reminds me of "the planet where incessant downpours crush anything that doesn't hide, predator and prey alike."
Speaking of which, could Arti survive the mid-late paleozoic?
What is that planet from? It sounds like an interesting setting!
Also, which Arti are you referring to?
Rain World, The Artificer.
A setting not made for large beings, as they cannot hide from the end of the cycles. The size* limit for 100% terrestrials that can drown is that of an alligator.
*mass. (Red centipedes are the apex predator, usually larger, but they are lightweighted.)
The creature shown is a wine red slugcat, with only one eye left, capable of using spears and making explosives if enough food is aviable. She also has other abbilities and disadvantages, but this should be a good base.
I think itd be interesting to see various primates brought to different eras.
A video on later Homo Sapiens as they were migrating from africa instead getting dropped into like the dense jungles of the carboniferous period i personally think would be super cool. Never see any discussion about how humans would perform in that period.
Since Europe consisted of a subtropical archipelago with smaller Dinosaurs during most of the later Mesozoic, they'd arguably fare much better there since Neanderthals were found in subtropical climates during the Pleistocene like the Levant.
This is going to be a big w for vividen for pulling out such a detailed and interesting video 🎉🎉
I sure hope so!
Ceratosaurus tough popular was considered to be a rare species in Morrison, especially when compared to other Therapods.
Good analysis but I think they'd fare quite a bit better. They could throw those spears and kill at a distance of maybe 50 or 60 feet. This would make them very dangerous to the predators as well if they could hit them from a hidden location behind cover. And it would make it tough for even large predators to take kills from them, giving them time to retreat if they persisted past the barrage of rocks and stone-tipped spears. Even if the spears weren't effective because of armor, they'd still have a few seconds to get out of there.
Just my view. You may be right though. Great video.
Vid idea could humans build civilization in the Mesozoic
Could be fun to explore!
How about teleporting a whole civilization into the Mesozoic? Like the Roman Empire. How long would the ancient city of Rome last for?
@@stevenbragg85 both ideas would be cool actually
Imagine dinosaurs and other creatures in the coloseums
No because we would be dinosaur food and be stuck hiding in caves living off of leftover meat from dead creatures