I come back to watch this every once in a while. I killed this server first on Emerald Dream back in our peak, but to me this fight is the best boss fight WoW has ever created. It was something special in 10m that's for sure. So much coordination, so much personal responsibility and use of class mechanics. Paragon is just so damn impressive here.
Agreed, even tho Ragnaros heroic was also a very demanding fight, for coordination, et and individual skills use and mechanics. But it was soooo long, it was really punishing. Lei Shen at least if shorter of a fight. Less a pain to progress.
I don't care who you are, this fight was WAY harder on 10m because you couldn't have a healer on each corner for the transitions like you could on 25m.
There were many fights that were harder on 10man than on 25. This was most certainly not one of them. Lei Shen 25HC was the by far hardest fight in all of MoP.
@@VanorstusTV Wiped on Lei Shen 25HC for 3 months straight, to the point where it almost killed the guild. Went into 10HC with a non-optimized, zero research group one night when we couldn't fill a proper 25, killed him that evening without any issues. Missed out on t11 and t14 10man HC raids during Cata and MoP, so can't comment on those, but the remaining: Firelands, Dragon Soul, Throne of Thunder and Siege of Orgrimmar were all significantly easier on 10HC than on 25HC. Anybody commenting that 10HC was "generally" harder than 25HC is delusional, or (more likely), simply didn't play both. Your opionion about how hard 10man raiding was, is irrelevant if you never did 25 at the same time...
@@dcalliou7 they had ICC (only guild that killed lk before 15%), Cata and MoP 10m (which was way harder anyway 25m was bring the people and 10m bring the skill) and they started strong in wod and ended strong (that movement on archimonde was gold). And they killed the probably hardest Boss yet (well, counting bugged kj out) 2 weeks before w2nd.
Alternatively they were attempting to wipe in order to continue seeing mechanic timers and the like in order to better improve their chances of a proper kill. Since it was made quite clear they never intended to kill it.
i am not finnish nor from northern europe (southern european actually) but i have the greatest respect for your culture and yes your english education is amazing. And everything you said is just FACTS
Raindrops are for mana and the lightning under the cloud is the casting bar. The pony itself servers no purpose other than cosmetic as far as I can tell.
Derp. If he stood outside of the raid, out of range of everyone, the damage would hit *no one*. Deterrence blocks the damage he takes (the full shock), and no one is in range to split any of the dmg = deterrence fully blocks all damage as long as you're not in range of others.
it means its rendered above 1080p so better than youtube can understand , therefore said as " original" but siriously ... its not even the real original bcs original is prolly slightly even better recorded ... but yeah basicly thats it
The shear thrill of killing the last boss in the tier that you've been stuck on is enough to rise that kind of reaction. But making it relam/world first only amplifies that. So no, only relam top 5s but still a very big adrenaline rush.
I don't understand why people are arguing who's better, honestly they're both incredible guilds who kick ass. Why can't we all just enjoy the race and have some good sportsmanship.
well, that's exactly my point. they're shifting almost all vengeance to the paladin which is the right move. but given that fact, the paladins dps should be much higher. and most 25man tanks flat out suck at their rotation, that includes all of them: sco, treckie, absalom et al i know some people will be butthurt over this comment but many top-tanks can't play their class to its potential, including fraggoji
Dude... Warlocks were doing the DPS Verdisha is doing in this video when Normal Lei Shen was progression for the world. Most 10 man Warlocks do well over 200k on this fight.
PEOPLE don't forget that DREAM Paragon WERE 25 man but due to thier tight roster of Finish speaking only players. They couldn't get the high end players that spoke finish that they wanted, therefore taking the best and going 10 man, instead of coming out of the raiding scene all together, Although Paragon are 10 man they are still up with the other 10 man guilds as we know, and i'm sure top 25 man guild's could still be competitive in the 10 man bracket also! PS:Just clearing some air ! :)
This was uploaded on 4/11. On 4/13, Corruption and Doom were both nerfed by 25% which was a huge loss for Demonology. On World of Logs, I just found a log from 4/16 for Normal Lei Shen where a Demo Warlock does 148k dps. These guys are not good players.
Paragon was world first Lei Shen days before anyone else 10, 25. Method got world first Ra-den with the Ra-den Nurf that over slowed the orbs for 25 man. If you think otherwise about the Lei shen check wowprogress, also Method blasts World first on every video regardless if it were or not, for the sole reason they were world first in something whether 25 or Eu
Yeah of course these players are astonishingly good, but not because of their DPS. Most players in any top world 250 guild or so could do similar DPS, what makes these players amazing is how aware they are, how they work as a team, etc.
Anyone else bothered by the fact that at 03:50, Devai rushes into the raid to split the AOE dmg, yet decides to deterrence it? It almost kills Lappe and Sejta, and he could just have staid outside off the raid, solo soaking the Static shock with deterrence. Why on earth did he decide to run in ?
I come back to watch this every once in a while. I killed this server first on Emerald Dream back in our peak, but to me this fight is the best boss fight WoW has ever created. It was something special in 10m that's for sure. So much coordination, so much personal responsibility and use of class mechanics. Paragon is just so damn impressive here.
Nice, Emerald Dream was my first main server, had to move my main because of some friends, but still have chars on ED') Confratz
Agreed, even tho Ragnaros heroic was also a very demanding fight, for coordination, et and individual skills use and mechanics. But it was soooo long, it was really punishing. Lei Shen at least if shorter of a fight. Less a pain to progress.
"I am Lei Shen, slayer of kings and gods. You have made a grave mistake."
The best line of any boss in the history of this game to this day.
I’m just reading a book about him which says Lei Shen stealed the power of a titan Aman’thul. Really awesome stories and lore
I love how after ever intermission the boss sounds more defeated in his voice.
Never gets old does it now?
I don't care who you are, this fight was WAY harder on 10m because you couldn't have a healer on each corner for the transitions like you could on 25m.
+hawkman8706 that is why I love boom so much lol
There were many fights that were harder on 10man than on 25. This was most certainly not one of them. Lei Shen 25HC was the by far hardest fight in all of MoP.
@@Melodeath00 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
@@VanorstusTV Wiped on Lei Shen 25HC for 3 months straight, to the point where it almost killed the guild.
Went into 10HC with a non-optimized, zero research group one night when we couldn't fill a proper 25, killed him that evening without any issues.
Missed out on t11 and t14 10man HC raids during Cata and MoP, so can't comment on those, but the remaining: Firelands, Dragon Soul, Throne of Thunder and Siege of Orgrimmar were all significantly easier on 10HC than on 25HC.
Anybody commenting that 10HC was "generally" harder than 25HC is delusional, or (more likely), simply didn't play both. Your opionion about how hard 10man raiding was, is irrelevant if you never did 25 at the same time...
@@Melodeath00 garrosh on 10hc was way harder than 25m
Those transitions are amazing... this looks terrifying in 10m, amazing job!
Progressed and killed this as 10man, farmed as 25 after a merge. It felt so easy with all the raid cd's.
IMO 10 man heroic Lei Shen is still the best designed encounter of all time. Gawd damn it's awesome to watch these guys just skill the hell out of it!
This guys are the true legend guild in wow history
Sitting down for vengaence in the start ;o
hahaha damn you're right!
WORLD FIRST VIDEO, finally. Great job Paragon, really in a class of your own.
OMG FINALLY JHAZRUN'S POV!!!! You are the best freaking priest out there =)
11:37 a fitting scream for such an epic fight.
Paragon was #1 in 25man for so long until they stepped down to 10man, they made Method look like chumps.
An expansion isnt long you moron kek they had cataclysm but got swept away in mop and wod.
@@dcalliou7 they had ICC (only guild that killed lk before 15%), Cata and MoP 10m (which was way harder anyway 25m was bring the people and 10m bring the skill) and they started strong in wod and ended strong (that movement on archimonde was gold). And they killed the probably hardest Boss yet (well, counting bugged kj out) 2 weeks before w2nd.
lappé feel powerfull at 11:31
I was here when this boss was current and happy to say I killed it.
Did you know that Lei Shen was voiced by Christopher Lee ?
RIP legendary actor.
Really?
Not true :(
Paul Nakauchi was the voice actor.
Yes, Method won Ra-Den but they weren't really excited about it because Lei-Shen is the "true" end boss of ToT. Ra-Den is just a bonus boss.
Just because it's distracting to you doesn't mean he doesn't fully understand it. It's tuned for him.
The pony is a power aura skin :p
You can find the pack on Curse website under - Power Auras - Image Pack 1 (My Little Pony)
Such an awesome fight even to this day! sadly I wish i was there when it was current in MOP.
+Naxxion 40op same! I regret doing pvp instead of pve :\
+Naxxion Same here, I ended up joining far too late in MoP and slow-questing until WoD released.
+Naxxion same here had a break and missed this aswesome raid instance....
Jhazrun solohealing on this one aswell?? He is just a freaking god ..!!
No the fight is 2 healed with priest and monk
Not speaking of Fraggoji, god tier tank.
Alternatively they were attempting to wipe in order to continue seeing mechanic timers and the like in order to better improve their chances of a proper kill. Since it was made quite clear they never intended to kill it.
I love how the prot paladin was doing the most healing at the start
love the rage at the end :D
i am not finnish nor from northern europe (southern european actually) but i have the greatest respect for your culture and yes your english education is amazing. And everything you said is just FACTS
WOW great job guys your video are really amazing to watch fill with so much emotion thumbs up to Paragon keep doing your thing
Manaflask also. (They had the information out before MMO-Champ)
love your ui jhazrun, i want it for my healers :)
Oh my god the priest's UI!!
the dogs that bark the loudest usually get the most attention, wether they deserve it or not is an entirely different issue :)
Release your Garrosh video please. Love the voice acting in the start of most of your kill vids.
You mean the portal-ish door opening up in Primordius' lair? That's the staircase to the holding place of Ra-Den.
Love DREAM Paragon, hope they never quit playing! They most be the worlds best guild of all time untill the game stops!
Paragon will forever be #1 for me, regardless of raid size. Love you Paragon
Please start doing 25 man HC also, thats why i love Paragon and your videos!
Good one, you must have been saving that zinger for weeks
TonzyFIN you just absolutely schooled that guy. BOSS mode.
The first 20 second of this video literally send shivers down my spine
Even though you didnt get world first, you still have the best nerdscreams.
Your videos have real spirit in them
As an American, I apologize for his ignorance, not all of us are like that.
Raindrops are for mana and the lightning under the cloud is the casting bar.
The pony itself servers no purpose other than cosmetic as far as I can tell.
Derp. If he stood outside of the raid, out of range of everyone, the damage would hit *no one*. Deterrence blocks the damage he takes (the full shock), and no one is in range to split any of the dmg = deterrence fully blocks all damage as long as you're not in range of others.
it means its rendered above 1080p so better than youtube can understand , therefore said as " original" but siriously ... its not even the real original bcs original is prolly slightly even better recorded ... but yeah basicly thats it
Jhazrun's castbar is the best thing i have ever seen....
It's ElvUI Combat Font :) It's a part of the ElvUI addon. You can download it here at tukui.org
both of them are exceptional players and probably better than we'll ever be :)
They didn't put "world first" in their 25man Heroic Nef/Sinestra/Ragnaros vid titles either you know...
OMG THE RAINBOW IS HIS CASTBAR! Brilliant.
this paragon videos load so slowly compared to other 720ps damn it
Jhazrun is godly, made me want to play my priest again!
The shear thrill of killing the last boss in the tier that you've been stuck on is enough to rise that kind of reaction. But making it relam/world first only amplifies that. So no, only relam top 5s but still a very big adrenaline rush.
Spark killed this with 527 iLvL and UVLS, two things that neither of paragon's locks had at the time.
most of the paragon players from the 25 roster are in uni, or raiding in Envy now.
I don't understand why people are arguing who's better, honestly they're both incredible guilds who kick ass. Why can't we all just enjoy the race and have some good sportsmanship.
Anyone noticed how the amount of guilds clearing Lei Shen 10 HC soared after the upload of this vid. Now at least 4 other guilds are on Ra den.
And they still do the best bosskillvideos on youtube ;)
I don't want to have to watch the Garrosh video without sound etc... When's the official one coming out Paragon? I'm starting to get sad :(
What is that priests addons?! Must have!
he also did it for their heroic rag fight. he's really good :)
MoP Raids > All other raids (except maybe ulduar)
Yeah ToT and SoO :). Didn't care too much of the other raids in MoP.
Nah, WOTLK (especially Ulduar, ToC and ICC) was prime WoW raiding
Was that monk only eminence healing or something? I want to say eminence but I'm not 100% sure. The pally was prot.
Devai said that the Garrosh video will be upload today :p
DREAM Paragon 2020
that last starsurge from lappe, cool as ice
well, that's exactly my point. they're shifting almost all vengeance to the paladin which is the right move. but given that fact, the paladins dps should be much higher. and most 25man tanks flat out suck at their rotation, that includes all of them: sco, treckie, absalom et al
i know some people will be butthurt over this comment but many top-tanks can't play their class to its potential, including fraggoji
Devai's UI is actually clean, I raid with a similar UI as does most of Paragon/Method/Blood-Legion/Exorsus/etc - using ElvUI.
Where is that interview? I looked on Manaflask, but its not there.
w8 a sec did just that disc priest solo healed the fight with prot pally and brew monk?
true, although i am annoyed by the fact that the healer thats filming 50/50 has such an annoying UI, it blocks half the screen.
Dude... Warlocks were doing the DPS Verdisha is doing in this video when Normal Lei Shen was progression for the world. Most 10 man Warlocks do well over 200k on this fight.
Look up devai's stream if you want to see them do Ra-den
I am talking about twins because there where op on the paragon week kill, but it is past. new tier is coming, new WFrace :3
Damn you Fragg! No wonder Prot Paladin damaged is getting nerfed into the ground.
how is the prot pally doing that much healing
Man that hunter needs to do an UI pack its freakin sick.
What Devai's next stream of ToT, you won't knock anything these guys do after that I can assure you.
love that yell at the end though if i was his neighbour id have gone round to check everything was ok lol :P
Are you guys not releasing a Ra Den video or what?
In Finland top raiders are usually university students :)
There is no fucking way of following a dialogue now! THIS IS A CRAP TH-cam UPDATE!!!
PEOPLE don't forget that DREAM Paragon WERE 25 man but due to thier tight roster of Finish speaking only players. They couldn't get the high end players that spoke finish that they wanted, therefore taking the best and going 10 man, instead of coming out of the raiding scene all together, Although Paragon are 10 man they are still up with the other 10 man guilds as we know, and i'm sure top 25 man guild's could still be competitive in the 10 man bracket also!
PS:Just clearing some air ! :)
Priest backpeddeling FTW and nice UI for the priest, is it a child that are playing?
Just go to Method vs Lei Shen 25 hc and put on 1080 HD and watch the recount
yeah totally , they're by far the best Raiding team that has been about for many years now.
Where is your Garrosh video guys?
Beautiful video!
whats with the pony lol. does it show the hp, and those rain drops are mana or what? :D
The true world first video NO WORLD FIRST in the title.
Lei Shen vs. Thor. Who would win?
This was uploaded on 4/11. On 4/13, Corruption and Doom were both nerfed by 25% which was a huge loss for Demonology. On World of Logs, I just found a log from 4/16 for Normal Lei Shen where a Demo Warlock does 148k dps. These guys are not good players.
This isnt how split AoE damage works. You only reflect your portion of damage with deterrence, it doesnt increase the damage on other people.
YES! Jhaz POV!!!!
HAHAHA. My mistake lol i was looking at healing done lol!
It's DREAM Paragon. They don't need to say it in the title...we all already assume it.
:P
Paragon was world first Lei Shen days before anyone else 10, 25. Method got world first Ra-den with the Ra-den Nurf that over slowed the orbs for 25 man. If you think otherwise about the Lei shen check wowprogress, also Method blasts World first on every video regardless if it were or not, for the sole reason they were world first in something whether 25 or Eu
Man, wtf, that was a tanker, top dps, and look at the insane heal that he did. Serious Blizz?
Yeah of course these players are astonishingly good, but not because of their DPS. Most players in any top world 250 guild or so could do similar DPS, what makes these players amazing is how aware they are, how they work as a team, etc.
Where's Smirk at!?
Anyone else bothered by the fact that at 03:50, Devai rushes into the raid to split the AOE dmg, yet decides to deterrence it? It almost kills Lappe and Sejta, and he could just have staid outside off the raid, solo soaking the Static shock with deterrence. Why on earth did he decide to run in ?