Alright i go to this school and the gasp at the end of the muster was cut off, you could practically hear the entire block yelling and what happened was a whole bunch of us seniors (10-12) wrote complaints to our principal about her choice of words. It wasn't that bad she should've just apologised. What pissed us the most was the fact that she called an assembly said she wouldn't apologise for what she said, she brought gender identity "issues" into this and sexualised both female students and male teachers. The male teachers at our school are one of the best teachers ever, we got rid of the creepy ones, and the embarrassment and shock they had on their faces where truly horrible. I am not saying our principal deserves the death threats and all but this needs to be in the media because this is a serious issue and needs to be addressed ASAP. Stop blaming this on the students, its not our fault, we understand the dress code and most of us stick by it. It was outrageous how she kept referring some students clothing style to strippers. Stop blaming the students.
Well, like it or not, lass, human sexuality is a fact of life that has to be managed such as it is. Your head mistress merely acted to head off a potential problem and I can't understand why you're all eating her alive over it. It's for your protection. You may not be able to see a problem with the way you're dressed (this is not an uncommon disagreement between youths and their elders), but she does. You might at least give her some respect for that. Instead you've sicced a whole phalanx of "woke" nasties on this poor woman who was only looking out for you. Nicely bloody done.
@@NathanCroucher Don't knock it, mate. We had a "creepy" teacher in our school and it turned out he was a kiddie fiddler. It's not proof, of course, but kids aren't that stupid.
@@ployogroos Damn, I'm sick of these confounded YT censors! When are you going to get it through your head that 99,9% of the male population is not interested in sexually assaulting you? Just because a fella doesn't abuse you doesn't mean that you haven't provoked disgust or lust in him by dressing provocatively. That is what I'm getting at. But that just doesn't seem to register with you, that's the man's problem. What I want to know is why girls feel the need to do that to men? Other than the most likely theory that they simply enjoy the feeling of power that commanding those kinds of emotions in men gives them over those men. And then you blame them for those feelings, claiming your "freedom" to do what you please. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You're coming into the adult world now, sexuality is a function of the human condition. Deal with it, stop blaming other people for it and don't use it as a weapon against others. That is simply cruel.
What is of real concern is that this principal fears that her male staff members could be tempted to compromise their jobs..... what a shocking indictment of the calibre of staff at this school.
@@yt.personal.identification She told the students not to compromise the male teachers' employment. She did not in any way imply that the male teachers were, or would, compromise their own employment by acting improperly. Do you understand English? Seriously? You twit.
@@barbie5342 You still have failed to explain exactly how they endanger their employ. ...calling names doesn't help. It's just what a bad troll does when they can't think of something more intelligent.
It's not calibre of male staff...it's biology, you are telling me that if you saw the opposite gender (or same, if you are so inclined) in a very revealing outfit, you would not feel any attraction? I think what she was talking about was taken out of context. If the argument is " keep it in your pants, I can wear whatever I want" then why are there indecent exposure in public laws?
That's so inappropriate - to both the girls and her male members of staff. She's implying that her male members of staff will look at the students inappropriately and act unprofessionally!
Well I think that is putting it lightly. She said don't jeopardise the male teachers' employment, ie if they sexually harass or assault you then it's your fault. And this is AFTER the Australian of the Year 2020 was awarded to a sexual assault survivor of her high school teacher! Disgusting and backward mentality. Resign now!
@@zoekenny3619 you are forgetting that a man's reputation, career and life can be destroyed with an allegation alone, with no evidence. Just saying he was inappropriate will do all the damage regardless of any investigation outcomes. So a females choice of clothing does have consequences
The whole point of encouraging girls to dress like sluts is apparently "empowering". Part of that power, is that it encourages normal healthy men to look at them. Is this what parents at this school have signed their girls up for?
@@Kevin-md5gq thats true one of my friends whos a male teacher caught a female student threatening to lie just because he wouldn't give her a better grade >.
She's done 2 things wrong: A) Engaged in victim blaming, stating it would be their fault if the teachers suddenly molested them B) insinuated that males have no self control and basically likened us to that of animals that are in need of mating... Therefore acting as though male teachers don't know right from wrong... She needs to monitor what she says from now on, very unprofessional
What was she supposed to say? She was trying to head off a potential problem. Who got blamed here? Nobody. She just asked the girls to exercise a bit of modesty for the sake of the male teachers, something that, not too long ago, wasn't an unreasonable thing to ask. But you and yours have to go and blow it out of all proportion. Why don't you go and monitor what you say from now on. As far as I can make out, she acted in good faith.
@G K71 I've also learnt where not to look, so I sympathise 100%. I also haven't been to the beach in years because bikinis can drive me to distraction. It's not that I'm after the girls, but I'm not made of wood either. Good on your wife for understanding!
So what exactly is "empowering" about a school encouraging obviously silly young girls to dress like sluts? This has been the response from the NSW Education Department.
@@ployogroos You just dress yourself appropriately and there won't be a problem. If even you feel uncomfortable with the way you're dressed, then clearly there is a problem, one I'm sure you're smart enough to rectify.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about what we were wearing at the swimming carnival. The ONLY swimsuits that were worn was one pieces. The people wearing free dress/mufti were NOT wearing revealing clothes. We understand there is a dress code and we respect that, but in our note it was only said that we had to wear our house colours. Nothing was written about having to cover our shoulders. The thing we are all angry and uncomfortable about is that she was victim blaming us saying that we shouldn’t compromise male teachers employment. Her comment about “gender identity issues” was completely random and uncalled for too.
Ok so i've been reading the comments and apparantly people seem to think that the students came to school in g-strings and all. No. None of them have. To swim we have to wear a one piece, and on top of girls some girls wore jeans "ripped up clothing" with little tears, or shorts that literally take up 1/3 of your thigh (the normal ones). Some girls wore a short top since it was 35 degrees celsius that day but none where "stripper clothing" like she makes it seem like. There were year 12's who wore more revealing clothing but that's because they do a parade where they can dress up as disney characters. Stop thinking that us girls are comfortable enough to come to school in "stripper clothes", because society already makes us uncomfrtable and her speech even more. She had the right intentions, just put in the wrong way.
That she had the right intentions I can agree with you on, it certainly didn't warrant the pillory she received here. But I think we will differ on what constitutes sexually provocative clothing.
@@Alex462047 she literally didn’t receive any pillary. the media did not paint her as a villain. we just want her to understand that she should think about what ideals she’s presenting to over a thousand young people and how it comes across before she sends a video around the school and then yells at us as soon as she gets criticised
The principal was clearly responding to a problem she was made aware of, and I'm sure she meant exactly what she said. If the girls at Cheltenham are unable to dress themselves appropriately, then they need guidance. If they think there is some kind of "empowerment" issue here, where they are somehow entitled to dress provocatively without consequence, then they need guidance. If the NSW Education Department thinks encouraging young girls to dress like sluts is empowering then THEY need guidance. What do the parents have to say about a school which encourages and formally supports girls dressing like whores around male teachers?
If the teachers have so little self control that seeing a high school girl in skimpy clothing is temping then they should not be teaching high school girls.
How about teaching high school girls not to dress like prostitutes? After all, they're the ones who don't want to be objectified. They shouldn't make themselves the objects of that kind of attention, in that case.
@Alex462047 that's not cool. Girls should feel free to dress however they want. We don't ask to be objects, it's not our fault men can't keep it in their pants and if girls wear a little revealing clothes they think we are "asking for it". We are not, some people personally feel more confident in those clothing and let them be. Instead of teaching girls to not wear clothing they want to and to be conserved, teach males to stop treating females as sexual objects.
@@bluealpaca5665 Why do you choose to wear more revealing clothes? Why does that wardrobe choice give you more confidence? Is it because of the attention you get? If you want to wear revealing clothing, dont let me slow you down. But don't come crying when somebody actually treats you like the gangster's slapper you were dressed like at the time. Think about the image you wish to convey to others and dress accordingly.
She was quite confident that supporting her male colleagues to deal with immature disruptive students was the right thing to do. She refused to retract her words until an ideological buffoon from the Education Department stepped in. The NSW Education Department have let her, and her staff, down by siding with the ignorant mob who were causing the trouble in the first place. I'm sure she is genuinely sorry she tried to treat the children at her High School like young adults.
Yeah! She should have magically known to apologise, right after she magically didn't realise everyone would be offended when she spoke. Don't. Do. Meth.
nobody was mad about the dress code. it’s her reasoning being that male teachers positions are compromised due to what students wear. listen to the report.
@@xxSupergirl The students are clearly too young and immature to bother explaining anything to. They should have just been told. I hope her apology includes an acknowledgement that she mistakenly thought she was dealing with children capable of exercising some personal responsibility on their own, and capable of understanding how their behavior might affect others. I'm sure she's very disappointed by the whole situation.
So the principal is pre-emptively victim blaming her underage students. If she has any concern about how her make colleagues would react to seeing a minor in "skimpy" clothing, maybe she should hold a staff meeting.
Are you paying attention? She has no concerns. Her male staff asked her to address the problem. The problem is not predatory male teachers, it is immature little girls distracting their teachers while they are trying to work.
@@barbie5342 theyre arent distracting their teachers. What they’re wearing should not bother teachers and if they’re solely paying attention to what they’re wearing rather than their behaviour than that’s an issue
@@georgiehayes The Principal herself was was uncomfortable with transgender students dressing inappropriately and simply extrapolated her own experience to her male colleagues. Nobody has EVER said anybody was solely paying attention to students' clothing. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that students dressing inappropriately would be distracting for teachers. This whole problem started because a group of silly brainwashed students couldn't understand the difference between THEM being the problem and somebody else. Talk about an entitled bunch of twits. But that's Feminism for you.
This literally happened at my highschool. Teachers saying stuff like we have male staff and students need to be considerate of it -_-' girls were escorted out of the school by police for wearing leggings and a hoodie on free dress day. So silly they let clothing get in the way of education.
@@bluealpaca5665 too true, When someone's willing to do the work and learn what's the problem? They need to be questioning why they have staff who'd do anything to a student into the first place hey... -_-'
@@kG-rv1ck We actually got rid of the really creepy ones after 4 years of complaint. The ones we have now are decent she just sexualised them thinking all male teachers do is stare at their female students
@@bluealpaca5665 well, the g strings shouldn’t be a problem should it. If your covered appropriately it won’t matter. I’ve legit seen school kids dress slutty and skimpily, I don’t even comprehend how their parents let them out of the house. Sadly if parents can’t do their job, it’s up to others to enforce standards.
I agree with this principal totally. My mother taught me this and I taught my daughter this moral message wether they are at school or at a social event or walking down the street. When girls dress scantily they are inviting trouble from the opposite sex.
So underage girls dressed in one piece bathers in a swimming carnival is inviting trouble? Cool I’ll make sure to tell my daughters they can’t do anything they wish to do because their very existence invites unsavoury characters
@@benjaminnicholls5883 you should read better. There’s comments in this comment section from girls who actually go to this school stating details of what was worn that day so yes seeing as read what the girls said, I do know better.
I am a female teacher at an all boys school. At our swimming carnival all boys are required to wear speedos. At no point do the boys ever hear a message from staff that the clothing they are wearing might be distracting the staff, putting staff jobs in danger and/or encouraging/inviting harm (to themselves or staff). It is devastating to read through the comments on this video, from the 'well-meaning' cries for girls to dress 'appropriately' and 'accept the reality of the world' to the barrage of comments calling them brats, sluts, whores and 'asking for it.' Sexual assault is not caused by clothing choice. My moral compass is not re-directed when the students at my school change from their formal uniforms into their speedos. Decent adults do not suddenly become confused about what does and does not constitute appropriate behaviour based on the clothing of another (particularly a child).
I guess that proves once and for all that males and females are not the same... 2+2 does not equal 5. It's a pity you seem to think your apparent lack of insight into the issues men face in teaching entitles you to make disparaging and false claims to back your erroneous assumptions. Who said anything about sexual assault, apart from presumptuous people like you and a bunch of brainwashed twits at the school? It's devastating to imagine there are young boys being entrusted to somebody with so little empathy or understanding.
@@barbie5342 What are you talking about? What part of my comment is an assumption? What part of my comment is disparaging? What part is false? This principal told her students (amongst other things) that their choice in clothing is putting the male staff's jobs at risk. I mentioned sexual assault because that's what the principal is implying in her statement. She seems to think that members of her male staff are so immoral and weak-willed that they might commit an act that would cause them to lose their job based on what a student is wearing and worse, she is implying that if that happened, the student would bear some fault! As for insight and empathy for male teachers, it was a male colleague who first informed me about this story. He was disgusted by this principal's remarks. I have spoken to many teachers (both male and female) since this story broke and I have not found one that thinks the principal's statement was appropriate. I know many exceptional male teachers and not one has mentioned how tough it is for men teaching teenage girls, they have all expressed concern about the message that is being conveyed to the Cheltenham girls. I know well the challenges teachers (both male and female) face working with teenagers (both male and female) but we are the adults in the room and conveying the message to children that they might have some hand in an adult doing something inappropriate/illegal to them, that they might invite it based on what they're wearing, is atrocious and wrong.
That is so inappropriate. Ridiculous, are you implying male teachers have no mind or can't control themselves? Are you victim blaming - that if these girls get molested it's their fault? How dare you run an educational institution.
@@sasfishadventures9729 you mean like teaching women self defence? Because why should they defend themselves? They shouldn't get assaulted, right?!?! Absolutely true. But this is not the world we live in.
@@bluealpaca5665 She didn't like the ones who you think are nice, don't you understand or get it?? you seem like one of those people who likes to sweep such issues under the carpet just because it doesn't affect you!
@@kapow4 Actually no, if u have read the comments you would realise that i dont "Sweep issues under the carpet because it doesn't affect me". I was one of the people who were actually attempting to comment in the audio. Stop trying to attack random people. I know the people at our school, they will not apologise if they bully anyone. My group is middle class in the heirarchy so stop.
@@kapow4 which of my comments were bullying?? Look stop being so quick to judge u misunderstood. By "a lot of people are nice here" i mean that we have a lot of really supportive caring girls, i didn't mean that the girls who bullied are nice, just apologising that she went through *that* side of the school.
@Jae Mok the principal is right about dress code but the fact that she sexualised male teachers and female students was disgusting. She brought gender identity "issues" into this kept reffering to camp notes for some weird reason, kept referring to the clothing as "stripper clothing" the worst we had a student dress as was a bra and this pant thing for the year 12 parade and she was the little mermaid.
gross behaviour from someone who’s supposed to be a leader for students, if a student wears a singlet or shorts staff shouldn’t be expected to act inappropriately by their employer (they shouldn’t be working in a school environment if that were the case), and if they were to do so, it wouldn’t be the fault of the girls clothing. :-/
@@wutangclan2051 but an office is a totally different situation from a swimming carnival. athletic events don’t need to meet the same professional standards as a workplace, so i feel that the girl would know the difference between the two environments
@@wutangclan2051 I don't think you read the comment properly. There is a complete difference in attire when it comes to a sporting carnival and everyday at school.
mostly society has gone backwards with regards to people glued to their phones and social media addicts, face to face communication is lacking and more people are becoming antisocial and have forgotten how to have a real social life other than on a screen. yes the reaction to this news story is fair enough.... but society today does seem to be offended by everything and anything and we live in a cancel culture mentality
My colleague is in charge of the school’s uniform shop and monitors student attire closely, including girls’ skirt/short length and boys’ tendencies to wear hoodies over their school shirts. For the many times she’s spent lecturing girls about their shorts and skirts, she’s never, not even once, picked up the same rhetoric as this principal has. Poor, toxic and remorseless messaging all-around. The girls were right to be infuriated. I feel bad for the males teachers, as well. She dragged them into her argument, framing them unfairly as easily tempted creeps, just so that she can further enforce a rule. She could have just said, “No inappropriate swimwear at the carnival. That includes bikinis” and just end it right there.
The principal basically insulted the male teachers.....Surely male teachers dont look at students like that. Maybe they are more professional than the principal
Mens bad behaviour? If a man looks at a girl it could be seen as inapporpriate these days. And the teacher (man) in this instance can get fired and his career ruined as a result.
@@omo97911 according to the principal, male teachers employment is ‘compromised’ because females students’ behaviour. I’m not surprised if she regards a normal eye contact or communication as inappropriate 🤦🏻♀️
Who said anything about bad behavior? You are leaping to same ignorant conclusion as the students. Skimpy clothing is distracting for a male teacher, and trying to deal with the problem leads to exactly the kind of mindless hysteria you are witnessing. Why do you think the female principal was asked to address the problem by the men?
@@barbie5342 that’s what the principal is implying isn’t it?? Not concluding anything, inappropriate dress code indeed needs to addressed, just not like this. Can you imagine if anything bad happens like she implied, and the girls are told it’s their fault? Just not a right message from an educator.
Yeah i agree with that completely, but the fact that she brought gender identity "issues" into this when we had trans students here before is not cool, and sexualising male teachers was way out of line. The full audio is not on here which is why u don't fully understand.
In my opinion people like this shouldn't be teaching in our schools - we need to break the cycle of that thinking from teachers who are molding young minds
She's telling yous to put on appropriate clothing for your daughter's so they don't get looked at inappropriate on the way to school or have blokes beeping there horns and screaming stuff to them....... Buy hey that's to much to ask right. Your the first one to be crying when something bad happens because of this reason
Search Spirit of Jezebel and its ability to infect & fester within such beautiful communities throughout the globe. Most can be unintentionally playful, but then there are some, that go on intent to create havoc and destruction with lives of others...these people who live this way, will also live in torment. If we remain blind to things, we will keep impeding our ability to live in harmony and bad historical events will forever plague our humanity. God bless us to understand each other without destroying each other first. Pls talk about things without looking whos wrong or right..without arguments and fight we can start understanding so much and come to agreements. Dont gang up to persecute someone about their opinions, without knowing all circumstances or their reasoning for words, actions and opinions. You may not know their own story. Receive Blessings from each other instead of creating hate and harm.
@@barbie5342 Can you imagine how long he'd last in her place? Also, a male principal at a girls school? I can really see that happening. Just imagine how the poor b*****d would be grilled at the interview.
Omg that’s like blaming the minor for anything that happens instead of having the adult take responsibility. It’s fine to say “This wasn’t appropriate” but to blame the girls in case the teacher tries something and gets fired? Gross.
not completely for all we know maybe one of the girls was making a male teacher uncomfortable . female students have been known to threaten to lie about things that never happened to get better grades. one of my friends walked in on a female student trying to seduce a male teacher. Male teachers shouldn't just be villianized I think that in some way comes off in her message
This is just out of context because the girls that were there at the school got blamed by the principal with clothing and the principal has just taken it too far even though she's talks about the appropriate clothing.
Mate, ever seen adolescents get on public transport with next to nothing on??? It's not cute or an expression of independence or burgeoning maturity. It's display and sadly there are cretins out there who abuse these girls innocence and nativity. The only fault with perving on these kids lies with the predators. But be honest.... Seeing young people with their most personal areas so blatantly on display would make anyone whose sexuality isn't orientated towards age inappropriate choices uncomfortable. I've intervened viciously on a couple of occasions when foul predators have harassed girls wearing clothes that magnify their femaleness. I never for a moment thought the girls were to blame (just young and stupid) but I KNEW the men were putrid so the girls needed protection. That's life. Adults should protect these kids from the small percentage of degenerates. So my hat is off to the principal. Some people moan that she's a woman, presumably she should be more liberal minded about this. Well it tends to be females who are sexually assaulted and harassed. Not because they deliberately entice but because with some scumbags they know young people are vulnerable, impressionable, naive and easily at risk of being harmed. I dealt with sex offenders for 17 years and it takes next to nothing for them to focus on someone who is calculated prey. The principal just alluded to a great filthy fact out there..... That some people are predators and she didn't want anyone perceiving any child as an opportunity for abuse. Pretty basic stuff.
The female principle is sick. She is blaming underage girls as if they would be the cause if male teachers are provoked. It is the male teachers who should be able to consider the girls as kids to teach only; if not, in the wrong jobs. Worst of all is her attitude. She could have made a mistake and not articulate enough, but when issues are raised, she should have contemplated and apologised; isn't that what they teach at schools anyway? She is not at all calm down but even a bit angry at the girls. Some teachers think they are above students. No! You are just being paid to teach and guide. Older does NOT mean wiser. If no recordings existed, only the girls would have been blamed and accused! And the female principle did a wrong thing to the male teachers too. It is very possible that they never have sexualised the girls but she popped the possibility and could have sparked the thought. And some girls may have realised for the first time that their male teachers could look at them as a woman. Disgusting! We had a news a while ago that a particular religious leader in Australia said that women were virtually responsible for sexual assaults only because he thought women were asking for it if they were wearing shorter than the clothing covering their entire bodies including hijabs. That made everyone upset because he was pointing fingers to victims and their freedom, rather than the offenders. Likewise, this female principle telling the girls that they could jeopardise male teachers' jobs is really revolting. Makes me sick. She is virtually saying that naked women on the beach are asking for it. Insane! You look old enough with no wisdom and have serious attitude issues with anger management need. RETIRE!!!
Then why didn't she say what she actually meant? Your excuses don't add up. It doesn't actually justify the actions of people that act this way...as much as you want it to, in order to feel better about yourself. Your comment tells us more about you, than anything else.
I've made some comments against some who think the principal was out of hand. I note BLUE ALAPACA's remarks. It seems they're a student at the school and provide a good overview of what the girls wear as well as reaction to all this. What is most important, I now accept, here is the girls' impressions of this event. Blue alpaca provides an insight regarding their experience, and one that, despite my criticisms of PC rumblings against the principal, has forced me to appreciate and value the experiences of the students, given blue alpaca is probably representative of many at the school. I still hold that the principal believed she was offering supportive and protective advice. However, she should have understood her audience better and avoided any possible interpretation made that could inadvertently shift blame towards the girls. Or male teachers for that matter. So blue alpaca thank you for giving your impressions. But it highlights how careful we adults need to be when expressing concerns about predation to teenagers. So easily misconstrued or even excessive placed. At least this has provoked some valuable discussion about potential abuse and it's comforting to see so many people PROTECTIVE of pupils. Despite many of us being polarised about what the teacher actually meant or should have stated etc etc, the salient feature here is adults' respect for and protectiveness of young people. And again, blue alpaca, thank you for giving an essential backdrop to this discussion and affecting my judgement.
A principal of a school should have an excellent grasp of the English language. Should know how to get a message across about dress code, without being offensive to anyone. Maybe the girls should be her English teacher. I’m a salesman, and I can wrap up a piece of poo and make it sound attractive. The point I’m making is not about liking or disliking sales people, it’s about understanding how to use the English language in a way to get an effective message across. A school principal should have such ability.
Theres nothing wrong with what the principal said. She did the right thing, it was the girls that made a big fuss over something that wasn't a big deal. Entitled little brats.
I feel sorry for the lesbian teachers who don’t even get a mention here.Would they be sparked into making sexual advances at the students when wearing as the principal would say ‘stringy tops’?Had the principal not even mention the male teachers in her little speech,it would not of been a problem but to start convicting people before a crime is committed is totally wrong.
@@laurenbaguley871 ikr?! They seem to think that we were wearing gstrings to school...no we weren't it was literally a cropped t-shirt (only can see stomach if u raise ur arms) and ripped jeans..
@@bluealpaca5665 you're minimising the issue. We know what young people wear today. We all went to high school too once upon a time, and in the 90s and 2000s girls were wearing G strings to school. Nothing has changed, it's just become more rampant
The principal was not saying that overexposed teen girls will cause the male staff to prey on them. The principal was giving them a lesson in understanding the male mind: men can get confused and intimidated when they see an scantily clad girl, and it is not because they are predators, it just confuses them, and it’s not a nice, pleasant situation for males to experience - there’s really no words to accurately describe this. The principal was simply saying male teachers are human, too, and it’s sad that these girls’ ignorant parents didn’t teach them any better. Sounds like this is a rough school, and potential problems were arising, and I’m glad the principal addressed this.
Question. Are you a cis male man? A male? A man? Can you really say that 100% every kind of male thinks that way when they see skin. That all makes are confused when they see skin and it fucks them up so bad they can't control themselves? Disgusting.
All good for the girls who are proud of their body-shape and seize these attention-seeking opportunities to show-off. How about those girls who may be ridiculed for "covering-up" possibly because they are a little self-conscious or have religious beliefs or, simply prefer to dress modestly?
um no ones forcing anyone to wear anything?¿ the dress code isn’t the issue. it’s the implication that what we wear makes it hard for male teachers to keep it in their pants at our own school
@@amelia-wm9tx That "implication" is in your own head. The principal did not say that. All she said was that male teachers would "rather not see" girls dressed in revealing clothing. Just as she apparently had issues with seeing transgender students in skimpy clothing. Why did you jump to your offensive conclusion about male teachers?
There is nothing wrong with telling students to dress Appropriately at school, boys included, There is alot of woman teachers preying on young boys at schools
Maybe an independent investigation into the Principals handling of the school may or may not find there is actually more going on with that type of attitude. To simply follow through with no disciplinary action set a prerequisite for how all Principals can behave
A lot of the times the principal gets feedback from the other staff on what needs to be addressed. So if the Male teachers were the ones telling the principal that they couldn’t focus because of the girls clothing...wouldn’t it be more appropriate for the principal to then question why the certain teacher feels that way? Because from the reports I’ve seen from the students at that school, it has been stated that there were little to no cleavage shown and that students were wearing one piece bathing suits and tops because of how hot it was (35). I’m all for covering up and looking more modest but from all the information I’ve gathered on this case, I’m more worried about the type of staff they’ve hired. They should really look into the male teachers more than tell the students they should cover up more because the male teachers can’t focus 🤮🤮🤮 (I’m a Muslim btw, modesty and covering up is important to me but this case is gross). My daughters would be transferred to another school immediately.
You wrote a lot of words but still managed to say nothing. I'm sure the principal saw their skimpy outfits with her own 2 eyes and decided to address it.
WTAF that's so inappropriate, especially a from a private school!! I completely understand that they were asking the girls to wear appropriate clothes but that principal went to far.!! If I was a parent I definitely would be looking for a new school for my daughter !!
Oh my bad thought it was n what I meant by that was that parents pay ALOT of money to send their children there not that private school kids are any different from state school kids No kids deserve this treatment sorry you took my comment out of context
Alright the worst i saw (excluding year 12's they were in the parade) was a cropped shirt that could only reveal her stomach if lifted and those ripped shorts (about 1/3 thigh size long, the usual ones, not the ones that have ur butt drooping out)
Reading through the comments it was mentioned that "They got rid of the creepy ones" does this school have a problem could that be a reason for what was said by the principal
@@yt.personal.identification Because a male teacher forced to deal with students dressing and acting like sluts in his class runs the risk of having his employment compromised if those students make allegations against him, whether true or not.
@@barbie5342 In a system you describe, where guilty until proven innocent, the male teachers jobs are clearly already in danger, no matter what the students wear. That is what I call a red herring.
Wow! She has no confidence that those adult male teachers will do the right thing so maybe they should all be sacked. Doesn't the school have a dress code for students? How about just ask the students to abide by the dress code and be done with it?
Get off the power trip women, you should be ashamed of yourself and quit your "passionate" career. All students should make her feel uncomfortable in her environment since she's made it seem OK to do so
And they didn't even mention her transphobia. "I am not attacking any individual girl or any student that may have gender-identity issues or any of those things at all." She should not be principal.
Why? Because the principal touched on an uncomfortable truth? It is a foolish generation that claims sexuality when it suits them, then acts incredulous when that sexuality manifests itself in ways that are distinctly unpleasant. And when a responsible person (like this head mistress) acts to remove potential temptation and potential disaster, she gets pilloried for it. Do you think it's any different in other schools? Sexuality is a terrifically strong force acting on many levels of consciousness. To reckon on a certain cadre of people being entirely immune to it for professional reasons while allowing another cadre of people to act out on it virtually without limit is to invite trouble. That danger doesn't disappear because you all collectively agreed that it doesn't exist "amongst us". Nor does it necessarily appear when somebody draws attention to it's general existence. I wish people would grow up and learn to understand and work around human weakness better, in others as well as themselves.
My god what the hell is wrong with telling young girls things to turn them into respectable women instead of just putting everything on show this world is just going crazy
may I ask what exactly you think we were wearing. I want you to describe it for me. Cause I have a feeling your description will be far from what we actually wore
@@laurenbaguley871 Mate dont even act like there wouldn’t have been girls attending that would have been dressed inappropriately In this day and age of social media you guys are being brain washed by what you are being constantly fed I’m 25 and have lived it I was popular in school and partied and have had girlfriends that are those type of girls that just live for the attention and it’s sad that it’s going to lead those type of young women down a lonely path in life instead of finding a respectable man that will provide and protect them they will find them self lost I’m sorry for rambling but it just gets under my skin so much
Actually a very complex topic. Why is wearing clothes at all on a hot day a must? (Beyond just looking out of place, what is the cultural importance) Why is female toplessness taboo? Are there unstudied medical disorders where predators, seemingly normal, actually can't control themselves under certain triggers? (and how should they be dealt with) What are the actual experiences of male teachers in girl schools (I know someone who quit because he was having innapropriate dreams but would never admit it openly). If a male teacher reports that a student is actively flirting with him/her(this happens) should he/she fear being a suspect? I'm not suggesting anything but these questions need to be raised.
Women apparently aren't able to be responsible for anything. If girls that age can't be asked to take some responsibility for dressing themselves, what hope is there?
Not everyone. The seniors most of them, but the juniors were only 12-14. What could make them more uncomfortable then starting out high school and puberty and having this at the back of their mind.
I'm mixed on this, schools and work require a certain dress standard, thats not unusual, but also i get confused because people get told girls are not sexual objects which they are not but then use sexualising in social media etc, so which one is it. And perhaps you don't want anyone sitting onfromt of you with bits out, boy or girl its school not a club.
I agree it is confusing. A swim carnival... everyone in bright underwear more or less. Weather is hot. People all crammed into a school setting... she admonishes students. Just not good enough is it?
I'm a student at Cheltenham currently, all of our views completely agree with following a dress code! We understand uniformity and why we should follow it, why we're not okay with this situation is that our principal related it to the male teacher's behaviour, what was stated encourages victim blaming which isn't okay, and also made our male teachers sound like predators already :(
School is preparation for future working life for young women. Unless a woman is off to work as a stripper or similar job that calls for skimpy sexy etc attire, it would be unacceptable to rock up to some typical normal workplace eg an office dressed in skimpy inappropriately sexually suggestive attire because it would raise the obvious question: Is she good at anything other than just sex? And what modern smart woman would like to be perceived as "only good for sex"? So why dress in a way that gives out such a wrong message? Like it or not, you will always be judged on how you look, even though this seems unfair. It's just the way life is. There 8s nothing wrong with gales or even men looking sexy or dressing scantily to show off their beauty, feel good etc. But there is a right time and place to wear certain looks and also a very inappropriate one eg the normal classroom for schoolgirls. Out swimming or doing sports etc it would be appropriate to dress in skimpy shorts etc because of the activities involved that require shorts or short skirts etc. Of course such problems would not arise if schools had a strict uniform even for sports and swimming attire, like government schools used to have. You were required to always wear correct uniform and girls' skirt length was measured by being made to kneel and if the hem was did not touch the ground it was too short and you were sent home to have it lengthened. It solved many disputes. Shorts and sports uniforms also had certain length rules and only one piece bathers,with no high cut legs or low cut fronts or "thong" type backsides were allowed. And there were also strict rules for boys uniforms eg no tight trousers or certain types of swimwear, just boring old Speedos. And not skimpy, revealing, low cut etc. This rule was introduced after a good sideways photo was taken of a champion boy swimmer about to dive off a high dive board during school sports at the local pool in his skimpy shiny tight swimwear, showing a certain excited part of his developing male anatomy as he was about to dive off with his magnificent physique everybody admired. It was a source of great ridicule, amusement and shock in the community, depending on whatever moral stance people took or if they had a sense of humour or not. . But what our excellent teachers focussed on was not the morality issue , but how embarrassing this was for the champion boy, who lost all confidence after that incident and didn't want to compete again because he felt so embarrassed by that photo circulating around a small rural Aussie community. But, when the new rules about proper swimming uniform were enforced, he gradually regained his former athletic confidence, because all boys looked the same and nobody and nothing could "stick out" under the new sorts of male swimwear, though the girls though it was "dorky" because the bathers had this flap part at the front, like girls' bathers, too, that his outline of genitalia when bathers were wet and no clingy sh8 y fabric was allowed any more. Similar general uniform rules also helped girls lacking in confidence to feel OK, because everybody was dressed the same and it did not highlight big developing breasts or no breasts, fat butts and other things girls felt self conscious about. It equalised everybody. Every now and then there was a "uniform free day" eg last day of term, when kids could dress sexy or in more skimpy clothes that were not obscenely so. Provided it offended nobody and they got on with their school work and didn't get distracted by how others looked, though this was very hard when you saw your latest crush looking so sexy out of uniform and it was impossible to stop trying to get a glimpse of them and just keep your eyes on your books, as teachers ordered kids to do. School uniforms in government schools have a very important function to play, much as kids hated them. They enable all kids, including very deprived ones from poor families, to feel equal to the next kid, from a middle class family. It gives a much needed feeling of "equal opportunity for all" ie nobody is more important or more special than the next kid. Which is how it should be. If parents want to be elitist, then they can take their kids out of the government schools and send them to exclusive private schools , where they can feel superior. Though most good private schools discourage such snobbery and elitist behaviour, even though they are very exclusive educational institutions, I found..There's a good reason to bring back strict uniform for kids in government schools. It should be simple but practical, easy care but very smart and strict, preferably more modern and comfortable to wear. And no variations. Just a skirt or slacks or knee length shorts, just one colour of tights or socks, same style and colour of practical, comfortable everyday leather type shoes, lace ups or boots or Mary Janes, no sports runners, other than with sports uniform. Have a woven cotton type top (no T shirts) and a jumper and jacket or windcheater with school colours, badges etc and optional matching sunhats, woolly winter caps , scarves, gloves etc in cold southern areas. Boys can wear a tie in school colours for formal occasions and girls can have a similar fine decorative silk type scary with school colours, emblem etc. No jewellery or tattoed or bright hair colours, extreme hair styles etc with school uniform. They can wear these fashions on weekends. School is a school kid's equivalent of the workplace for adults. It is to prepare them for work and do it must begin to teach kids the sorts of behaviours, image etc that will be expected by future employers, to prepare them. It is simply 7nfair on kids for adults like teachers and parents to let th do as they wish during their school years and then suddenly expect them to know how 5o look and behave as expected by 6je adult world in workplaces etc. When nobody prepared them for this sudden shock, this sudden change. Is it any wonder they make such crap employees, though they often have good intentions and want to please employers. They just have no idea because nobody taught them properly.
as it was stated above, everybody agrees with the dress code. the problem was the principal saying that what we were compromises male teachers positions.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the Principal asking the girls to dress modestly as she doesn't want the male teachers' jobs compromised. The over reaction is political correctness gone overboard.
I know this is a year later but I go to this school and at the swimming carnival last yr the only “skimpy” clothes worn were one pieces and singlet tops as it was 35° outside. All Ms Lawrence was doing was teaching young minor girls that it’s their fault for getting sexualised by a grown man… So stick a sock in it Karen
No, she basically implied that the girls are growing up and needed to start taking some responsibility. The NSW Education Department apparently would rather defer this lesson and have young girls dressing like whores, throwing them to the wolves when they leave school.
Don't worry, the NSW Education Department has stepped in and it is now OK for girls to reveal themselves to male teachers at school. I hope the parents have been informed.
She’s got a point. Plenty of comments saying that if male teachers can control themselves they shouldn’t be teaching. Thats not the issue here. As a 42 year old male in a non-teaching role at a school, i can tell you that free dress/mufti days are the worst. You spend all day feeling uncomfortable, constantly worried that your eyes might point in the wrong direction for a couple seconds too long and someone might get the wrong idea. There’s no problem with control, male teachers aren’t walking around with hardon’s , but these girls are pretending to be something they’re not with these outfits.
@@bslisko7182 , so because they’re a child they can do what they want? What if the Male students walk around flashing their sanga’s to the female teachers?
@@playwme3 I went to an all boys school and a mixed school during year 12. We had swim carnivals in front of female teachers in speedos sort of what you are saying. But yes a child is a child and if you dont see them as a child I think the issue is with yourself if you see them in any sexual sort of way.
See, you guys aren’t getting it, and obviously neither are plenty others. I’m not saying that my discomfort is caused because i look at these children in a sexual way. I’m saying that because of the scrutiny put on everyone these days, there’s a lot at risk when it comes to being a male in this situation. I’m saying that the Principal in question didn’t say anything particularly outrageous, and there’s nothing wrong with asking for a bit of modesty.
@@Alex462047 No it isn't. Males should be taught that females aren't sexual objects. than maybe the world would be a safer place, thought of it like that yet?
@@bluealpaca5665 Maybe you can teach females that males aren't sexual objects to be seduced either, then we can all live in our mutually exclusive bubble. Human biological makeup simply won't permit that to happen, so you can dream on. Facts of life, girl. The female body is attractive to men, just as the male body is to females. There is nothing to be done about that, except to manage it for the wellbeing of society. If that means, in part, men and women dressing in such a way as to leave a bit more to the imagination, then so be it.
@@Alex462047 I'm not saying just males. but in case you haven't noticed its mainly females who are attacked and assaulted not men. I agree with what u are saying though and women should also treat men like humans. they shouldn't be attacked for what they wear. Besides the most revealing thing that a student wore was a crop top and ripped jeans. So if this is considered inviting invitation then i guess women should just wear baggy hoodies and pants. but ig i cant blame you because you weren't there and don't have the full audio.
@@bluealpaca5665 My comment was deleted, I see. Evidently something displeased the YT censors. Dress in the way that you want people to see you. If you dress to attract male attention, then don't complain when you get it. It's that simple.
If it was a male principle he would be fired already
She should be fired.
@@wutangclan2051
There are quite a few actually.
Principal not principle
I love how people in society don’t really acknowledge that women can put other women down, not just males-
it would be called a national tragedy 🤣
Alright i go to this school and the gasp at the end of the muster was cut off, you could practically hear the entire block yelling and what happened was a whole bunch of us seniors (10-12) wrote complaints to our principal about her choice of words. It wasn't that bad she should've just apologised. What pissed us the most was the fact that she called an assembly said she wouldn't apologise for what she said, she brought gender identity "issues" into this and sexualised both female students and male teachers. The male teachers at our school are one of the best teachers ever, we got rid of the creepy ones, and the embarrassment and shock they had on their faces where truly horrible. I am not saying our principal deserves the death threats and all but this needs to be in the media because this is a serious issue and needs to be addressed ASAP. Stop blaming this on the students, its not our fault, we understand the dress code and most of us stick by it. It was outrageous how she kept referring some students clothing style to strippers. Stop blaming the students.
I feel sorry for your teachers who had to stand there and listen to that 🙄 I hope this creates change in our schools
Well, like it or not, lass, human sexuality is a fact of life that has to be managed such as it is. Your head mistress merely acted to head off a potential problem and I can't understand why you're all eating her alive over it. It's for your protection. You may not be able to see a problem with the way you're dressed (this is not an uncommon disagreement between youths and their elders), but she does. You might at least give her some respect for that. Instead you've sicced a whole phalanx of "woke" nasties on this poor woman who was only looking out for you. Nicely bloody done.
"got rid of the creepy ones" You mean the ones you didn't like, since when is creepy a reason to sack or force someone out of a job.
@@NathanCroucher Don't knock it, mate. We had a "creepy" teacher in our school and it turned out he was a kiddie fiddler. It's not proof, of course, but kids aren't that stupid.
@@ployogroos Damn, I'm sick of these confounded YT censors! When are you going to get it through your head that 99,9% of the male population is not interested in sexually assaulting you? Just because a fella doesn't abuse you doesn't mean that you haven't provoked disgust or lust in him by dressing provocatively. That is what I'm getting at. But that just doesn't seem to register with you, that's the man's problem. What I want to know is why girls feel the need to do that to men? Other than the most likely theory that they simply enjoy the feeling of power that commanding those kinds of emotions in men gives them over those men. And then you blame them for those feelings, claiming your "freedom" to do what you please. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
You're coming into the adult world now, sexuality is a function of the human condition. Deal with it, stop blaming other people for it and don't use it as a weapon against others. That is simply cruel.
What is of real concern is that this principal fears that her male staff members could be tempted to compromise their jobs..... what a shocking indictment of the calibre of staff at this school.
That was not her concern. That is your incorrect assumption -- which proves her point.
@@barbie5342 0:37 Seriously...did you even watch?
@@yt.personal.identification She told the students not to compromise the male teachers' employment. She did not in any way imply that the male teachers were, or would, compromise their own employment by acting improperly.
Do you understand English? Seriously? You twit.
@@barbie5342 You still have failed to explain exactly how they endanger their employ.
...calling names doesn't help. It's just what a bad troll does when they can't think of something more intelligent.
It's not calibre of male staff...it's biology, you are telling me that if you saw the opposite gender (or same, if you are so inclined) in a very revealing outfit, you would not feel any attraction? I think what she was talking about was taken out of context.
If the argument is " keep it in your pants, I can wear whatever I want" then why are there indecent exposure in public laws?
That's so inappropriate - to both the girls and her male members of staff. She's implying that her male members of staff will look at the students inappropriately and act unprofessionally!
But it's still inappropriate wear. And she never said that.
Well I think that is putting it lightly. She said don't jeopardise the male teachers' employment, ie if they sexually harass or assault you then it's your fault. And this is AFTER the Australian of the Year 2020 was awarded to a sexual assault survivor of her high school teacher! Disgusting and backward mentality. Resign now!
@@zoekenny3619 you are forgetting that a man's reputation, career and life can be destroyed with an allegation alone, with no evidence. Just saying he was inappropriate will do all the damage regardless of any investigation outcomes.
So a females choice of clothing does have consequences
The whole point of encouraging girls to dress like sluts is apparently "empowering". Part of that power, is that it encourages normal healthy men to look at them. Is this what parents at this school have signed their girls up for?
@@Kevin-md5gq thats true one of my friends whos a male teacher caught a female student threatening to lie just because he wouldn't give her a better grade >.
She's done 2 things wrong:
A) Engaged in victim blaming, stating it would be their fault if the teachers suddenly molested them
B) insinuated that males have no self control and basically likened us to that of animals that are in need of mating... Therefore acting as though male teachers don't know right from wrong...
She needs to monitor what she says from now on, very unprofessional
Sounded like she was pushing some hidden agenda 🤔
@@karldunne5595 very hidden
What was she supposed to say? She was trying to head off a potential problem. Who got blamed here? Nobody. She just asked the girls to exercise a bit of modesty for the sake of the male teachers, something that, not too long ago, wasn't an unreasonable thing to ask. But you and yours have to go and blow it out of all proportion. Why don't you go and monitor what you say from now on. As far as I can make out, she acted in good faith.
@G K71 I've also learnt where not to look, so I sympathise 100%. I also haven't been to the beach in years because bikinis can drive me to distraction. It's not that I'm after the girls, but I'm not made of wood either. Good on your wife for understanding!
So what exactly is "empowering" about a school encouraging obviously silly young girls to dress like sluts?
This has been the response from the NSW Education Department.
Somehow she managed to insult both genders...well done
I'd hate to be a male teacher at that school now.
Sometimes I hate being male.
Always Blame the Men
I’d hate to be a teacher
@@joshw3090 Don't do that. Being male is a fine thing. Enjoy it!
@@ployogroos You just dress yourself appropriately and there won't be a problem. If even you feel uncomfortable with the way you're dressed, then clearly there is a problem, one I'm sure you're smart enough to rectify.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about what we were wearing at the swimming carnival. The ONLY swimsuits that were worn was one pieces. The people wearing free dress/mufti were NOT wearing revealing clothes. We understand there is a dress code and we respect that, but in our note it was only said that we had to wear our house colours. Nothing was written about having to cover our shoulders. The thing we are all angry and uncomfortable about is that she was victim blaming us saying that we shouldn’t compromise male teachers employment. Her comment about “gender identity issues” was completely random and uncalled for too.
Victim blaming is only a "thing" for mature people who take responsibility for themselves. Silly kids need to be told.
@@barbie5342 stick a sock in it Karen
Ok so i've been reading the comments and apparantly people seem to think that the students came to school in g-strings and all. No. None of them have. To swim we have to wear a one piece, and on top of girls some girls wore jeans "ripped up clothing" with little tears, or shorts that literally take up 1/3 of your thigh (the normal ones). Some girls wore a short top since it was 35 degrees celsius that day but none where "stripper clothing" like she makes it seem like. There were year 12's who wore more revealing clothing but that's because they do a parade where they can dress up as disney characters. Stop thinking that us girls are comfortable enough to come to school in "stripper clothes", because society already makes us uncomfrtable and her speech even more. She had the right intentions, just put in the wrong way.
That she had the right intentions I can agree with you on, it certainly didn't warrant the pillory she received here. But I think we will differ on what constitutes sexually provocative clothing.
Well Said Blue ! It was so obvious whats she was trying to say
yes exactly
@@Alex462047 she literally didn’t receive any pillary. the media did not paint her as a villain. we just want her to understand that she should think about what ideals she’s presenting to over a thousand young people and how it comes across before she sends a video around the school and then yells at us as soon as she gets criticised
The principal was clearly responding to a problem she was made aware of, and I'm sure she meant exactly what she said. If the girls at Cheltenham are unable to dress themselves appropriately, then they need guidance. If they think there is some kind of "empowerment" issue here, where they are somehow entitled to dress provocatively without consequence, then they need guidance. If the NSW Education Department thinks encouraging young girls to dress like sluts is empowering then THEY need guidance. What do the parents have to say about a school which encourages and formally supports girls dressing like whores around male teachers?
If the teachers have so little self control that seeing a high school girl in skimpy clothing is temping then they should not be teaching high school girls.
How about teaching high school girls not to dress like prostitutes? After all, they're the ones who don't want to be objectified. They shouldn't make themselves the objects of that kind of attention, in that case.
@@wutangclan2051 is for the children
@@NEB-BEN Presidents are temporary. WuTang is forever.
@Alex462047 that's not cool. Girls should feel free to dress however they want. We don't ask to be objects, it's not our fault men can't keep it in their pants and if girls wear a little revealing clothes they think we are "asking for it". We are not, some people personally feel more confident in those clothing and let them be. Instead of teaching girls to not wear clothing they want to and to be conserved, teach males to stop treating females as sexual objects.
@@bluealpaca5665 Why do you choose to wear more revealing clothes? Why does that wardrobe choice give you more confidence? Is it because of the attention you get?
If you want to wear revealing clothing, dont let me slow you down. But don't come crying when somebody actually treats you like the gangster's slapper you were dressed like at the time. Think about the image you wish to convey to others and dress accordingly.
Genuine remorse?, sorry nothing in this video at least shows remorse.
Funny that....the higher the pride, double the contradiction at these sort of institutions.
Exactly
She shouldnt have remorse
She was quite confident that supporting her male colleagues to deal with immature disruptive students was the right thing to do. She refused to retract her words until an ideological buffoon from the Education Department stepped in. The NSW Education Department have let her, and her staff, down by siding with the ignorant mob who were causing the trouble in the first place.
I'm sure she is genuinely sorry she tried to treat the children at her High School like young adults.
"Genuine remorse" "I'm not appologising" were in a twilight zone.
The principal did nothing wrong. In my opinion she was only protecting her students by asking them to wear modest clothing.
@@MamaMia.... Protecting them from leering eyes, fondling, sexual assault etc.
@@AJ-aabbcc lol I was in school as well, I heard it and I had the same comment as u, I didn’t really care lol, cuz I don’t even wear mufti.
Modest as in no skin showing at all
In a desert.
Smaaaaaart
Apology because she was pushed is no apology at all.
Yeah! She should have magically known to apologise, right after she magically didn't realise everyone would be offended when she spoke.
Don't. Do. Meth.
students shouldn't have been offended then LOL dress codes r normal because it's SCHOOL.
nobody was mad about the dress code. it’s her reasoning being that male teachers positions are compromised due to what students wear. listen to the report.
@@xxSupergirl The students are clearly too young and immature to bother explaining anything to.
They should have just been told. I hope her apology includes an acknowledgement that she mistakenly thought she was dealing with children capable of exercising some personal responsibility on their own, and capable of understanding how their behavior might affect others. I'm sure she's very disappointed by the whole situation.
@@barbie5342 why should students be responsible for male teachers not being able to control themselves? this isnt the 1960s
So the principal is pre-emptively victim blaming her underage students. If she has any concern about how her make colleagues would react to seeing a minor in "skimpy" clothing, maybe she should hold a staff meeting.
Are you paying attention? She has no concerns. Her male staff asked her to address the problem. The problem is not predatory male teachers, it is immature little girls distracting their teachers while they are trying to work.
@@barbie5342 it never stated that in this video segment, it sounds a bit like backpedaling on the school's behalf
@@barbie5342 theyre arent distracting their teachers. What they’re wearing should not bother teachers and if they’re solely paying attention to what they’re wearing rather than their behaviour than that’s an issue
@@georgiehayes The Principal herself was was uncomfortable with transgender students dressing inappropriately and simply extrapolated her own experience to her male colleagues. Nobody has EVER said anybody was solely paying attention to students' clothing. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that students dressing inappropriately would be distracting for teachers. This whole problem started because a group of silly brainwashed students couldn't understand the difference between THEM being the problem and somebody else. Talk about an entitled bunch of twits. But that's Feminism for you.
And if a male teacher looks a moment too long, heaven help him in court.
reminds me of homer Simpson staring
in the window watching donuts being made,
and would do anything just to have one,
This literally happened at my highschool. Teachers saying stuff like we have male staff and students need to be considerate of it -_-' girls were escorted out of the school by police for wearing leggings and a hoodie on free dress day. So silly they let clothing get in the way of education.
exactly!! these people seem to think people are coming to school in legit g-strings!
@@bluealpaca5665 too true, When someone's willing to do the work and learn what's the problem?
They need to be questioning why they have staff who'd do anything to a student into the first place hey... -_-'
@@kG-rv1ck We actually got rid of the really creepy ones after 4 years of complaint. The ones we have now are decent she just sexualised them thinking all male teachers do is stare at their female students
@@bluealpaca5665 well, the g strings shouldn’t be a problem should it. If your covered appropriately it won’t matter.
I’ve legit seen school kids dress slutty and skimpily, I don’t even comprehend how their parents let them out of the house.
Sadly if parents can’t do their job, it’s up to others to enforce standards.
@@bluealpaca5665 Why did it take 4 years of complaints?
I agree with this principal totally. My mother taught me this and I taught my daughter this moral message wether they are at school or at a social event or walking down the street. When girls dress scantily they are inviting trouble from the opposite sex.
So underage girls dressed in one piece bathers in a swimming carnival is inviting trouble? Cool I’ll make sure to tell my daughters they can’t do anything they wish to do because their very existence invites unsavoury characters
@@bslisko7182 such an extreme reaction. The principal isn't talking about modest one piece swimmers. You should know better.
@@benjaminnicholls5883 you should read better. There’s comments in this comment section from girls who actually go to this school stating details of what was worn that day so yes seeing as read what the girls said, I do know better.
I second you @Arch Angel
"looking at that"will really help with the way the girls view themselves
Whatever happened to "dress code"?
I am a female teacher at an all boys school. At our swimming carnival all boys are required to wear speedos. At no point do the boys ever hear a message from staff that the clothing they are wearing might be distracting the staff, putting staff jobs in danger and/or encouraging/inviting harm (to themselves or staff).
It is devastating to read through the comments on this video, from the 'well-meaning' cries for girls to dress 'appropriately' and 'accept the reality of the world' to the barrage of comments calling them brats, sluts, whores and 'asking for it.'
Sexual assault is not caused by clothing choice. My moral compass is not re-directed when the students at my school change from their formal uniforms into their speedos. Decent adults do not suddenly become confused about what does and does not constitute appropriate behaviour based on the clothing of another (particularly a child).
I guess that proves once and for all that males and females are not the same... 2+2 does not equal 5.
It's a pity you seem to think your apparent lack of insight into the issues men face in teaching entitles you to make disparaging and false claims to back your erroneous assumptions. Who said anything about sexual assault, apart from presumptuous people like you and a bunch of brainwashed twits at the school? It's devastating to imagine there are young boys being entrusted to somebody with so little empathy or understanding.
@@barbie5342 What are you talking about? What part of my comment is an assumption? What part of my comment is disparaging? What part is false?
This principal told her students (amongst other things) that their choice in clothing is putting the male staff's jobs at risk.
I mentioned sexual assault because that's what the principal is implying in her statement. She seems to think that members of her male staff are so immoral and weak-willed that they might commit an act that would cause them to lose their job based on what a student is wearing and worse, she is implying that if that happened, the student would bear some fault!
As for insight and empathy for male teachers, it was a male colleague who first informed me about this story. He was disgusted by this principal's remarks. I have spoken to many teachers (both male and female) since this story broke and I have not found one that thinks the principal's statement was appropriate. I know many exceptional male teachers and not one has mentioned how tough it is for men teaching teenage girls, they have all expressed concern about the message that is being conveyed to the Cheltenham girls.
I know well the challenges teachers (both male and female) face working with teenagers (both male and female) but we are the adults in the room and conveying the message to children that they might have some hand in an adult doing something inappropriate/illegal to them, that they might invite it based on what they're wearing, is atrocious and wrong.
. Confucius say “Before putting mouth into gear, make sure brain is engaged.”
That is so inappropriate. Ridiculous, are you implying male teachers have no mind or can't control themselves? Are you victim blaming - that if these girls get molested it's their fault? How dare you run an educational institution.
Apparently only males look at girls
@@justinhutchinson9507 Lesbians and Trans-women are looking at girls too.. right
She is victim blaming
@@sasfishadventures9729 you mean like teaching women self defence? Because why should they defend themselves? They shouldn't get assaulted, right?!?! Absolutely true.
But this is not the world we live in.
@@wutangclan2051 yeah that's why the government doesn't allow women to carry mace.
I used to go to that school I got severely bullied there too. Thank God that I changed schools.
damn sorry that happened, a lot of people are nice here tho, hope your ok now!
@@bluealpaca5665 She didn't like the ones who you think are nice, don't you understand or get it?? you seem like one of those people who likes to sweep such issues under the carpet just because it doesn't affect you!
@@kapow4 Actually no, if u have read the comments you would realise that i dont "Sweep issues under the carpet because it doesn't affect me". I was one of the people who were actually attempting to comment in the audio. Stop trying to attack random people. I know the people at our school, they will not apologise if they bully anyone. My group is middle class in the heirarchy so stop.
@@bluealpaca5665 My reply was in relation to your bullying comment and not your comment on this video. So again please stop with your selectivity.
@@kapow4 which of my comments were bullying?? Look stop being so quick to judge u misunderstood. By "a lot of people are nice here" i mean that we have a lot of really supportive caring girls, i didn't mean that the girls who bullied are nice, just apologising that she went through *that* side of the school.
omg, our school was actually on news.
Principal is right, there needs to be dress codes, the way some students dress is disgusting.
Principal wasn't right when they said you could graduate; Goddamn, your grammar is awful
@Jae Mok the principal is right about dress code but the fact that she sexualised male teachers and female students was disgusting. She brought gender identity "issues" into this kept reffering to camp notes for some weird reason, kept referring to the clothing as "stripper clothing" the worst we had a student dress as was a bra and this pant thing for the year 12 parade and she was the little mermaid.
@Maria Hewitt idk if u live here in australia or not but even most private schools have uniform and so do primary and high.
@Maria Hewitt cghs does have a uniform and it’s a pink dress revealing no parts
@Merit Ocrassie Yes because no teacher could be reasonably expected to control their sexual urges around children.....? wtf?
i would feel so uncomfortable in the presence of every male teacher in that school honestly like that’s so-
gross behaviour from someone who’s supposed to be a leader for students, if a student wears a singlet or shorts staff shouldn’t be expected to act inappropriately by their employer (they shouldn’t be working in a school environment if that were the case), and if they were to do so, it wouldn’t be the fault of the girls clothing. :-/
@@wutangclan2051 but an office is a totally different situation from a swimming carnival. athletic events don’t need to meet the same professional standards as a workplace, so i feel that the girl would know the difference between the two environments
@@wutangclan2051 I don't think you read the comment properly. There is a complete difference in attire when it comes to a sporting carnival and everyday at school.
@@wutangclan2051 Nazi dad hey? Lmfao
This is ridiculous
Yes! At last. Thank you!
Good on the students for standing up for themselves, shame the principal is awful
Another cheerleader for ignorance.
I wonder if what she said would have been offensive 20 years ago
Not at all
Woah... it's almost like... society progresses over time 😲
mostly society has gone backwards with regards to people glued to their phones and social media addicts, face to face communication is lacking and more people are becoming antisocial and have forgotten how to have a real social life other than on a screen. yes the reaction to this news story is fair enough.... but society today does seem to be offended by everything and anything and we live in a cancel culture mentality
Yes...it would have been offensive 40 years ago.
@@MamaMia.... bahahaha plssss
My colleague is in charge of the school’s uniform shop and monitors student attire closely, including girls’ skirt/short length and boys’ tendencies to wear hoodies over their school shirts. For the many times she’s spent lecturing girls about their shorts and skirts, she’s never, not even once, picked up the same rhetoric as this principal has. Poor, toxic and remorseless messaging all-around. The girls were right to be infuriated. I feel bad for the males teachers, as well. She dragged them into her argument, framing them unfairly as easily tempted creeps, just so that she can further enforce a rule. She could have just said, “No inappropriate swimwear at the carnival. That includes bikinis” and just end it right there.
Better said cover up , the sun is hot
Yea your right, this is Australia and damn it's hot.
The principal basically insulted the male teachers.....Surely male teachers dont look at students like that. Maybe they are more professional than the principal
The principal is a leso
Theyre going to notice fully developed seniors even if they dont act on it. Thats reality.
These girls are obviously more educated than their educators
Typical Feminist response. No wonder Feminists have to resort to fascism to pretend to be "equal".
@@barbie5342 Shut up Karen
Exactly, how young girls are responsible for men’s bad behaviour???
Mens bad behaviour? If a man looks at a girl it could be seen as inapporpriate these days. And the teacher (man) in this instance can get fired and his career ruined as a result.
@@omo97911 according to the principal, male teachers employment is ‘compromised’ because females students’ behaviour. I’m not surprised if she regards a normal eye contact or communication as inappropriate 🤦🏻♀️
Exactly!!!
Who said anything about bad behavior? You are leaping to same ignorant conclusion as the students. Skimpy clothing is distracting for a male teacher, and trying to deal with the problem leads to exactly the kind of mindless hysteria you are witnessing. Why do you think the female principal was asked to address the problem by the men?
@@barbie5342 that’s what the principal is implying isn’t it?? Not concluding anything, inappropriate dress code indeed needs to addressed, just not like this. Can you imagine if anything bad happens like she implied, and the girls are told it’s their fault? Just not a right message from an educator.
They are going to school not a night club, I support this Principle!
Yeah i agree with that completely, but the fact that she brought gender identity "issues" into this when we had trans students here before is not cool, and sexualising male teachers was way out of line. The full audio is not on here which is why u don't fully understand.
I disagree with that psychologist; everyone should share responsibility .. u r growing up 2 b & u should b taught 2b .. responsible people
Lucky that wasn't a man teacher. Guess what would have happened to him.
When I was at school we had a dress code
Too hard. There are so few male teachers left in schools these days that discipline is no longer a "thing".
Why would any man want to be a teacher? Especially at an all girls school with "empowered" girls like this there?
@@poocrayon4588 Thank feminism. They (feminists) teach them to want the best of both worlds.
she shouldn't be teaching in the 21st century. end of story
this is the type of teaching in Australia lefties woke as anyone currently studying to be a teacher in AU will tell you
Wear the uniform properly. Problem solved.
In my opinion people like this shouldn't be teaching in our schools - we need to break the cycle of that thinking from teachers who are molding young minds
She's telling yous to put on appropriate clothing for your daughter's so they don't get looked at inappropriate on the way to school or have blokes beeping there horns and screaming stuff to them....... Buy hey that's to much to ask right. Your the first one to be crying when something bad happens because of this reason
This is the result of bad parenting.
thats 90% of the country then
@@rumpelstiltskin6252Even if 90%of the country's parents are crap parents, does that make it right? Or just mindless sheep?
@@joebloggs619 u got to pick your side with that one
CIA 👏👏👏👍
Parents are full on into selfies as well.
Search Spirit of Jezebel and its ability to infect & fester within such beautiful communities throughout the globe. Most can be unintentionally playful, but then there are some, that go on intent to create havoc and destruction with lives of others...these people who live this way, will also live in torment.
If we remain blind to things, we will keep impeding our ability to live in harmony and bad historical events will forever plague our humanity.
God bless us to understand each other without destroying each other first.
Pls talk about things without looking whos wrong or right..without arguments and fight we can start understanding so much and come to agreements.
Dont gang up to persecute someone about their opinions, without knowing all circumstances or their reasoning for words, actions and opinions.
You may not know their own story.
Receive Blessings from each other instead of creating hate and harm.
She'll be out of a job by the end of the week.
Let it be a favour for her. This school is showing itself up as stupid.
They need to appoint a male principal to restore some discipline to the place. It's a cesspit of little vipers.
@@barbie5342 Can you imagine how long he'd last in her place? Also, a male principal at a girls school? I can really see that happening. Just imagine how the poor b*****d would be grilled at the interview.
Omg that’s like blaming the minor for anything that happens instead of having the adult take responsibility. It’s fine to say “This wasn’t appropriate” but to blame the girls in case the teacher tries something and gets fired? Gross.
not completely for all we know maybe one of the girls was making a male teacher uncomfortable . female students have been known to threaten to lie about things that never happened to get better grades. one of my friends walked in on a female student trying to seduce a male teacher. Male teachers shouldn't just be villianized I think that in some way comes off in her message
This is just out of context because the girls that were there at the school got blamed by the principal with clothing and the principal has just taken it too far even though she's talks about the appropriate clothing.
Mate, ever seen adolescents get on public transport with next to nothing on??? It's not cute or an expression of independence or burgeoning maturity. It's display and sadly there are cretins out there who abuse these girls innocence and nativity. The only fault with perving on these kids lies with the predators. But be honest.... Seeing young people with their most personal areas so blatantly on display would make anyone whose sexuality isn't orientated towards age inappropriate choices uncomfortable.
I've intervened viciously on a couple of occasions when foul predators have harassed girls wearing clothes that magnify their femaleness. I never for a moment thought the girls were to blame (just young and stupid) but I KNEW the men were putrid so the girls needed protection. That's life. Adults should protect these kids from the small percentage of degenerates. So my hat is off to the principal. Some people moan that she's a woman, presumably she should be more liberal minded about this. Well it tends to be females who are sexually assaulted and harassed. Not because they deliberately entice but because with some scumbags they know young people are vulnerable, impressionable, naive and easily at risk of being harmed.
I dealt with sex offenders for 17 years and it takes next to nothing for them to focus on someone who is calculated prey. The principal just alluded to a great filthy fact out there..... That some people are predators and she didn't want anyone perceiving any child as an opportunity for abuse.
Pretty basic stuff.
Sounds like someone stole her boyfriend in high school and now she's the principal it's not happening again lol
This is actually an insult to men lmao
The female principle is sick. She is blaming underage girls as if they would be the cause if male teachers are provoked. It is the male teachers who should be able to consider the girls as kids to teach only; if not, in the wrong jobs.
Worst of all is her attitude. She could have made a mistake and not articulate enough, but when issues are raised, she should have contemplated and apologised; isn't that what they teach at schools anyway? She is not at all calm down but even a bit angry at the girls. Some teachers think they are above students. No! You are just being paid to teach and guide. Older does NOT mean wiser. If no recordings existed, only the girls would have been blamed and accused!
And the female principle did a wrong thing to the male teachers too. It is very possible that they never have sexualised the girls but she popped the possibility and could have sparked the thought. And some girls may have realised for the first time that their male teachers could look at them as a woman. Disgusting!
We had a news a while ago that a particular religious leader in Australia said that women were virtually responsible for sexual assaults only because he thought women were asking for it if they were wearing shorter than the clothing covering their entire bodies including hijabs. That made everyone upset because he was pointing fingers to victims and their freedom, rather than the offenders.
Likewise, this female principle telling the girls that they could jeopardise male teachers' jobs is really revolting. Makes me sick. She is virtually saying that naked women on the beach are asking for it. Insane!
You look old enough with no wisdom and have serious attitude issues with anger management need. RETIRE!!!
Absolutely ridiculous how people take things out of context and jump to dirty minds the teacher obviously didn't mean it the way it was said ..
Then why didn't she say what she actually meant?
Your excuses don't add up.
It doesn't actually justify the actions of people that act this way...as much as you want it to, in order to feel better about yourself.
Your comment tells us more about you, than anything else.
okay but if that’s not what she meant why did she reiterate and reinforce that exact point when given the opportunity to fix her mistake??????
“The school’s most senior educator has been re-educated” that was some good journalism 😂
Actually, considering the context, I thought it was a terrifying statement.
We as free people have the right to call a spade a spade. We will not let you use your emotions to bully us into submission.
If this was said before a male principal he would be seeking a career change.
I've made some comments against some who think the principal was out of hand.
I note BLUE ALAPACA's remarks. It seems they're a student at the school and provide a good overview of what the girls wear as well as reaction to all this.
What is most important, I now accept, here is the girls' impressions of this event. Blue alpaca provides an insight regarding their experience, and one that, despite my criticisms of PC rumblings against the principal, has forced me to appreciate and value the experiences of the students, given blue alpaca is probably representative of many at the school. I still hold that the principal believed she was offering supportive and protective advice. However, she should have understood her audience better and avoided any possible interpretation made that could inadvertently shift blame towards the girls. Or male teachers for that matter.
So blue alpaca thank you for giving your impressions. But it highlights how careful we adults need to be when expressing concerns about predation to teenagers. So easily misconstrued or even excessive placed. At least this has provoked some valuable discussion about potential abuse and it's comforting to see so many people PROTECTIVE of pupils. Despite many of us being polarised about what the teacher actually meant or should have stated etc etc, the salient feature here is adults' respect for and protectiveness of young people. And again, blue alpaca, thank you for giving an essential backdrop to this discussion and affecting my judgement.
Amen.
A principal of a school should have an excellent grasp of the English language. Should know how to get a message across about dress code, without being offensive to anyone. Maybe the girls should be her English teacher. I’m a salesman, and I can wrap up a piece of poo and make it sound attractive. The point I’m making is not about liking or disliking sales people, it’s about understanding how to use the English language in a way to get an effective message across. A school principal should have such ability.
@@rickyd.989 Ricky, you've sold me 😂😍
@@monty9463 👍🇦🇺
What a disgusting principal! Fire her!
That principal is an absolute grub.
Theres nothing wrong with what the principal said. She did the right thing, it was the girls that made a big fuss over something that wasn't a big deal. Entitled little brats.
I feel sorry for the lesbian teachers who don’t even get a mention here.Would they be sparked into making sexual advances at the students when wearing as the principal would say ‘stringy tops’?Had the principal not even mention the male teachers in her little speech,it would not of been a problem but to start convicting people before a crime is committed is totally wrong.
Dont apologise!!!
Decent clothing should be a headmasters priority!!!
What do you think we were wearing exactly...
@@laurenbaguley871 ikr?! They seem to think that we were wearing gstrings to school...no we weren't it was literally a cropped t-shirt (only can see stomach if u raise ur arms) and ripped jeans..
@@bluealpaca5665 you're minimising the issue. We know what young people wear today. We all went to high school too once upon a time, and in the 90s and 2000s girls were wearing G strings to school. Nothing has changed, it's just become more rampant
The principal was not saying that overexposed teen girls will cause the male staff to prey on them. The principal was giving them a lesson in understanding the male mind: men can get confused and intimidated when they see an scantily clad girl, and it is not because they are predators, it just confuses them, and it’s not a nice, pleasant situation for males to experience - there’s really no words to accurately describe this.
The principal was simply saying male teachers are human, too, and it’s sad that these girls’ ignorant parents didn’t teach them any better. Sounds like this is a rough school, and potential problems were arising, and I’m glad the principal addressed this.
Question. Are you a cis male man? A male? A man? Can you really say that 100% every kind of male thinks that way when they see skin. That all makes are confused when they see skin and it fucks them up so bad they can't control themselves? Disgusting.
All good for the girls who are proud of their body-shape and seize these attention-seeking opportunities to show-off. How about those girls who may be ridiculed for "covering-up" possibly because they are a little self-conscious or have religious beliefs or, simply prefer to dress modestly?
um no ones forcing anyone to wear anything?¿ the dress code isn’t the issue. it’s the implication that what we wear makes it hard for male teachers to keep it in their pants at our own school
@@amelia-wm9tx That "implication" is in your own head. The principal did not say that. All she said was that male teachers would "rather not see" girls dressed in revealing clothing. Just as she apparently had issues with seeing transgender students in skimpy clothing.
Why did you jump to your offensive conclusion about male teachers?
Good lord lady. Think before you speak. Thought this happened back home only. Absolutely disgusted.
Learn to control your reactions.
Why?
@@musk2494 because they're impairing your ability to think sensibly and logically. There was nothing wrong with what she said.
I think there is. What makes you think you are thinking sensibly?
So disgusting. Absolutely revolting. Fired without pay would be great.
I dont see anything wrong with the principals words
There is nothing wrong with telling students to dress
Appropriately at school, boys included,
There is alot of woman teachers preying on young boys at schools
Maybe an independent investigation into the Principals handling of the school may or may not find there is actually more going on with that type of attitude.
To simply follow through with no disciplinary action set a prerequisite for how all Principals can behave
A lot of the times the principal gets feedback from the other staff on what needs to be addressed. So if the Male teachers were the ones telling the principal that they couldn’t focus because of the girls clothing...wouldn’t it be more appropriate for the principal to then question why the certain teacher feels that way? Because from the reports I’ve seen from the students at that school, it has been stated that there were little to no cleavage shown and that students were wearing one piece bathing suits and tops because of how hot it was (35). I’m all for covering up and looking more modest but from all the information I’ve gathered on this case, I’m more worried about the type of staff they’ve hired. They should really look into the male teachers more than tell the students they should cover up more because the male teachers can’t focus 🤮🤮🤮 (I’m a Muslim btw, modesty and covering up is important to me but this case is gross). My daughters would be transferred to another school immediately.
You wrote a lot of words but still managed to say nothing. I'm sure the principal saw their skimpy outfits with her own 2 eyes and decided to address it.
Cover up your mouth Sullen.
WTAF that's so inappropriate, especially a from a private school!! I completely understand that they were asking the girls to wear appropriate clothes but that principal went to far.!!
If I was a parent I definitely would be looking for a new school for my daughter !!
It's not a private school
"especially from a private school"? because it's not as bad to treat state school kids like that...?
Oh my bad thought it was n what I meant by that was that parents pay ALOT of money to send their children there not that private school kids are any different from state school kids
No kids deserve this treatment sorry you took my comment out of context
She done nothing wrong to be fair
How were they dressing?
Alright the worst i saw (excluding year 12's they were in the parade) was a cropped shirt that could only reveal her stomach if lifted and those ripped shorts (about 1/3 thigh size long, the usual ones, not the ones that have ur butt drooping out)
@Jason B 😬
@@bluealpaca5665 Yeah like we believe that
@@bluealpaca5665 we all know this isn't true. We see the way young girls dress everytime we go to Coles, and it's disgusting.
@Jason B Predictable comment.
Reading through the comments it was mentioned that "They got rid of the creepy ones" does this school have a problem could that be a reason for what was said by the principal
Are you accusing male teachers of something?
The principal obviously made the comments for a reason. She is the mature person in the room. Enough said.
@@barbie5342 Tell me why the male teacher's employment may be compromised.
This should be good.
@@yt.personal.identification Because a male teacher forced to deal with students dressing and acting like sluts in his class runs the risk of having his employment compromised if those students make allegations against him, whether true or not.
@@barbie5342 In a system you describe, where guilty until proven innocent, the male teachers jobs are clearly already in danger, no matter what the students wear.
That is what I call a red herring.
Wow! She has no confidence that those adult male teachers will do the right thing so maybe they should all be sacked. Doesn't the school have a dress code for students? How about just ask the students to abide by the dress code and be done with it?
Get off the power trip women, you should be ashamed of yourself and quit your "passionate" career. All students should make her feel uncomfortable in her environment since she's made it seem OK to do so
And they didn't even mention her transphobia.
"I am not attacking any individual girl or any student that may have gender-identity issues or any of those things at all."
She should not be principal.
@@wutangclan2051 its not inclusive to call someones gender identity an issue.
@@soomiko it's gender dysphoria
@@benjaminnicholls5883 ahh okii
@@benjaminnicholls5883 That's brave saying that.
@@soomiko what do you mean?
Parents may quickly look for another school for their young girls
Instead of teaching them modesty, what a society
Why? Because the principal touched on an uncomfortable truth? It is a foolish generation that claims sexuality when it suits them, then acts incredulous when that sexuality manifests itself in ways that are distinctly unpleasant. And when a responsible person (like this head mistress) acts to remove potential temptation and potential disaster, she gets pilloried for it. Do you think it's any different in other schools? Sexuality is a terrifically strong force acting on many levels of consciousness. To reckon on a certain cadre of people being entirely immune to it for professional reasons while allowing another cadre of people to act out on it virtually without limit is to invite trouble. That danger doesn't disappear because you all collectively agreed that it doesn't exist "amongst us". Nor does it necessarily appear when somebody draws attention to it's general existence. I wish people would grow up and learn to understand and work around human weakness better, in others as well as themselves.
@@Alex462047 I wish I could give you a million likes
@@wutangclan2051 this is Australia dude and many MUM'S have to work
@@suemontague3151 true dat
Good on her! Respectable woman. Weak parents as usual. Why on earth are school kids wearing skimpy outfits at all??
My god what the hell is wrong with telling young girls things to turn them into respectable women instead of just putting everything on show this world is just going crazy
I'll tell you why, IT WAS A SWIMMING CARNIVAL!
We all have a dress code right. The principles should just tell them, the dress code. Like how long the dress and how long the sleeve.
may I ask what exactly you think we were wearing. I want you to describe it for me. Cause I have a feeling your description will be far from what we actually wore
@@laurenbaguley871 Mate dont even act like there wouldn’t have been girls attending that would have been dressed inappropriately
In this day and age of social media you guys are being brain washed by what you are being constantly fed I’m 25 and have lived it I was popular in school and partied and have had girlfriends that are those type of girls that just live for the attention and it’s sad that it’s going to lead those type of young women down a lonely path in life instead of finding a respectable man that will provide and protect them they will find them self lost
I’m sorry for rambling but it just gets under my skin so much
Who is this principle... this is crazy ... she is also a women as well ... so girl beware of male teacher they are looking at you .. ...
If it was a male principal h'ed be in jail by now
Well someone needs to educate the kids of the potential dangers of life.
@@MamaMia.... ignorance is also a dangerous thing
Life will teach them
@@MamaMia.... some of them are.
Actually a very complex topic. Why is wearing clothes at all on a hot day a must? (Beyond just looking out of place, what is the cultural importance) Why is female toplessness taboo? Are there unstudied medical disorders where predators, seemingly normal, actually can't control themselves under certain triggers? (and how should they be dealt with) What are the actual experiences of male teachers in girl schools (I know someone who quit because he was having innapropriate dreams but would never admit it openly). If a male teacher reports that a student is actively flirting with him/her(this happens) should he/she fear being a suspect? I'm not suggesting anything but these questions need to be raised.
Yeah she’s in the wrong here women aren’t responsible for men’s behaviour.
Women apparently aren't able to be responsible for anything. If girls that age can't be asked to take some responsibility for dressing themselves, what hope is there?
Perhaps it’s more in the way she worded what she said.
@@joshsherlock2372 the way she worded it is fine. You just have a logical blind spot.
@@benjaminnicholls5883 Whatever you say you seem like an expert.
Wow victim blamer! Disgusting
I'm sure they've heard and seen worse
Not everyone. The seniors most of them, but the juniors were only 12-14. What could make them more uncomfortable then starting out high school and puberty and having this at the back of their mind.
I'm mixed on this, schools and work require a certain dress standard, thats not unusual, but also i get confused because people get told girls are not sexual objects which they are not but then use sexualising in social media etc, so which one is it. And perhaps you don't want anyone sitting onfromt of you with bits out, boy or girl its school not a club.
I agree it is confusing. A swim carnival... everyone in bright underwear more or less. Weather is hot. People all crammed into a school setting... she admonishes students. Just not good enough is it?
I'm a student at Cheltenham currently, all of our views completely agree with following a dress code! We understand uniformity and why we should follow it, why we're not okay with this situation is that our principal related it to the male teacher's behaviour, what was stated encourages victim blaming which isn't okay, and also made our male teachers sound like predators already :(
School is preparation for future working life for young women. Unless a woman is off to work as a stripper or similar job that calls for skimpy sexy etc attire, it would be unacceptable to rock up to some typical normal workplace eg an office dressed in skimpy inappropriately sexually suggestive attire because it would raise the obvious question: Is she good at anything other than just sex? And what modern smart woman would like to be perceived as "only good for sex"? So why dress in a way that gives out such a wrong message? Like it or not, you will always be judged on how you look, even though this seems unfair. It's just the way life is. There 8s nothing wrong with gales or even men looking sexy or dressing scantily to show off their beauty, feel good etc. But there is a right time and place to wear certain looks and also a very inappropriate one eg the normal classroom for schoolgirls. Out swimming or doing sports etc it would be appropriate to dress in skimpy shorts etc because of the activities involved that require shorts or short skirts etc. Of course such problems would not arise if schools had a strict uniform even for sports and swimming attire, like government schools used to have. You were required to always wear correct uniform and girls' skirt length was measured by being made to kneel and if the hem was did not touch the ground it was too short and you were sent home to have it lengthened. It solved many disputes. Shorts and sports uniforms also had certain length rules and only one piece bathers,with no high cut legs or low cut fronts or "thong" type backsides were allowed. And there were also strict rules for boys uniforms eg no tight trousers or certain types of swimwear, just boring old Speedos. And not skimpy, revealing, low cut etc. This rule was introduced after a good sideways photo was taken of a champion boy swimmer about to dive off a high dive board during school sports at the local pool in his skimpy shiny tight swimwear, showing a certain excited part of his developing male anatomy as he was about to dive off with his magnificent physique everybody admired. It was a source of great ridicule, amusement and shock in the community, depending on whatever moral stance people took or if they had a sense of humour or not. . But what our excellent teachers focussed on was not the morality issue , but how embarrassing this was for the champion boy, who lost all confidence after that incident and didn't want to compete again because he felt so embarrassed by that photo circulating around a small rural Aussie community. But, when the new rules about proper swimming uniform were enforced, he gradually regained his former athletic confidence, because all boys looked the same and nobody and nothing could "stick out" under the new sorts of male swimwear, though the girls though it was "dorky" because the bathers had this flap part at the front, like girls' bathers, too, that his outline of genitalia when bathers were wet and no clingy sh8 y fabric was allowed any more. Similar general uniform rules also helped girls lacking in confidence to feel OK, because everybody was dressed the same and it did not highlight big developing breasts or no breasts, fat butts and other things girls felt self conscious about. It equalised everybody. Every now and then there was a "uniform free day" eg last day of term, when kids could dress sexy or in more skimpy clothes that were not obscenely so. Provided it offended nobody and they got on with their school work and didn't get distracted by how others looked, though this was very hard when you saw your latest crush looking so sexy out of uniform and it was impossible to stop trying to get a glimpse of them and just keep your eyes on your books, as teachers ordered kids to do. School uniforms in government schools have a very important function to play, much as kids hated them. They enable all kids, including very deprived ones from poor families, to feel equal to the next kid, from a middle class family. It gives a much needed feeling of "equal opportunity for all" ie nobody is more important or more special than the next kid. Which is how it should be. If parents want to be elitist, then they can take their kids out of the government schools and send them to exclusive private schools , where they can feel superior. Though most good private schools discourage such snobbery and elitist behaviour, even though they are very exclusive educational institutions, I found..There's a good reason to bring back strict uniform for kids in government schools. It should be simple but practical, easy care but very smart and strict, preferably more modern and comfortable to wear. And no variations. Just a skirt or slacks or knee length shorts, just one colour of tights or socks, same style and colour of practical, comfortable everyday leather type shoes, lace ups or boots or Mary Janes, no sports runners, other than with sports uniform. Have a woven cotton type top (no T shirts) and a jumper and jacket or windcheater with school colours, badges etc and optional matching sunhats, woolly winter caps , scarves, gloves etc in cold southern areas. Boys can wear a tie in school colours for formal occasions and girls can have a similar fine decorative silk type scary with school colours, emblem etc. No jewellery or tattoed or bright hair colours, extreme hair styles etc with school uniform. They can wear these fashions on weekends. School is a school kid's equivalent of the workplace for adults. It is to prepare them for work and do it must begin to teach kids the sorts of behaviours, image etc that will be expected by future employers, to prepare them. It is simply 7nfair on kids for adults like teachers and parents to let th do as they wish during their school years and then suddenly expect them to know how 5o look and behave as expected by 6je adult world in workplaces etc. When nobody prepared them for this sudden shock, this sudden change. Is it any wonder they make such crap employees, though they often have good intentions and want to please employers. They just have no idea because nobody taught them properly.
as it was stated above, everybody agrees with the dress code. the problem was the principal saying that what we were compromises male teachers positions.
She knows it’s a swimming carnival right??? They will be wearing swimmers!!!!
She’s literally implying if the fucking *teachers* looked at the students inappropriately/sexually then it’d be the student’s fault. Lmao okay.
how dare she expect decency
Dr joe touchy needs a touch up
That's what we call in the online gaming community a big oof
Banal
I don't think there is anything wrong with the Principal asking the girls to dress modestly as she doesn't want the male teachers' jobs compromised. The over reaction is political correctness gone overboard.
I know this is a year later but I go to this school and at the swimming carnival last yr the only “skimpy” clothes worn were one pieces and singlet tops as it was 35° outside. All Ms Lawrence was doing was teaching young minor girls that it’s their fault for getting sexualised by a grown man…
So stick a sock in it Karen
I like Sydney kids! They are very fun little ones. Maybe I can be a Sydney teacher one day if I wanted to that would be pretty cool.
The key words here are Girls High...
Define " PROVOCATIVE"
Are you willfully ignorant?
Are you willfully ignorant?
The principal was right dress appropriate.
So she basically implied her male counterparts can't be trusted . wow .
No. The girls need to be mindful about flaunting themselves.
No, she basically implied that the girls are growing up and needed to start taking some responsibility. The NSW Education Department apparently would rather defer this lesson and have young girls dressing like whores, throwing them to the wolves when they leave school.
Dress appropriately girls
Omg! She needs to be sacked if that's whats she's teaching those girls, disgraceful!
Don't worry, the NSW Education Department has stepped in and it is now OK for girls to reveal themselves to male teachers at school. I hope the parents have been informed.
@@barbie5342 Cool, Barbie.
She’s got a point. Plenty of comments saying that if male teachers can control themselves they shouldn’t be teaching. Thats not the issue here. As a 42 year old male in a non-teaching role at a school, i can tell you that free dress/mufti days are the worst. You spend all day feeling uncomfortable, constantly worried that your eyes might point in the wrong direction for a couple seconds too long and someone might get the wrong idea. There’s no problem with control, male teachers aren’t walking around with hardon’s , but these girls are pretending to be something they’re not with these outfits.
If you’re feeling uncomfortable that’s really on you isn’t it. It’s not some 14 year old girl who’s wearing shorts fault is it, since she is a child.
@@bslisko7182 , so because they’re a child they can do what they want? What if the Male students walk around flashing their sanga’s to the female teachers?
@@playwme3 I went to an all boys school and a mixed school during year 12. We had swim carnivals in front of female teachers in speedos sort of what you are saying.
But yes a child is a child and if you dont see them as a child I think the issue is with yourself if you see them in any sexual sort of way.
See, you guys aren’t getting it, and obviously neither are plenty others. I’m not saying that my discomfort is caused because i look at these children in a sexual way. I’m saying that because of the scrutiny put on everyone these days, there’s a lot at risk when it comes to being a male in this situation. I’m saying that the Principal in question didn’t say anything particularly outrageous, and there’s nothing wrong with asking for a bit of modesty.
Excellent story. Thanks for giving this air time. Girls should never be taught it's their fault if teachers break professional boundaries.
They should also be taught not to invite people to break boundaries. It's a two way street.
@@Alex462047 No it isn't. Males should be taught that females aren't sexual objects. than maybe the world would be a safer place, thought of it like that yet?
@@bluealpaca5665 Maybe you can teach females that males aren't sexual objects to be seduced either, then we can all live in our mutually exclusive bubble. Human biological makeup simply won't permit that to happen, so you can dream on. Facts of life, girl. The female body is attractive to men, just as the male body is to females. There is nothing to be done about that, except to manage it for the wellbeing of society. If that means, in part, men and women dressing in such a way as to leave a bit more to the imagination, then so be it.
@@Alex462047 I'm not saying just males. but in case you haven't noticed its mainly females who are attacked and assaulted not men. I agree with what u are saying though and women should also treat men like humans. they shouldn't be attacked for what they wear. Besides the most revealing thing that a student wore was a crop top and ripped jeans. So if this is considered inviting invitation then i guess women should just wear baggy hoodies and pants. but ig i cant blame you because you weren't there and don't have the full audio.
@@bluealpaca5665 My comment was deleted, I see. Evidently something displeased the YT censors.
Dress in the way that you want people to see you. If you dress to attract male attention, then don't complain when you get it. It's that simple.
interesting case