How to level a traditional saxophone pad!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- In this viewer requested video we'll go over all the tools, tips and tricks for installing a traditional saxophone pad! Be sure to bring your questions and put the hashtag #saxlevel in the comments during or after the live stream to be entered to win %15 off tuition on any of our 2023 repair courses!
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Tools used in this video:
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Z-Gun Shellac Gun:
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Stick Shellac:
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Bench Anvil:
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Pad Leveling Rings:
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Artisan Pad Slicks:
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Large Tip Spring Hook:
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Size D,E,F woodwind screwdrivers:
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Flexi Nova Leak Light:
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Butane Torch:
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Why not just put flake shellac in the cup heat on a frame put pad in, mount key straight back on to the instrument, levelling set, this takes about a minute.
I do a full overhaul on Alto levelling tone pad and Cork within 5 to 6 hours, the way you guys do it will probably take 2 days.
Kev
True there is definitely more than one way to pad and this is a great old school method of padding with flake shellac. We like the synthetic over the traditional shellac these days as the tradish has some drawbacks over time that the synthetic doesn't. Susceptibility to hot/cold temps, expands when heated, etc. Thanks for your comment!
You're right my method is really old fashioned, but I am 62 years old
I started my apprenticeship at 16 with boosey and Hawkes London as an oboe maker.
Your videos are great, and thank you for explaining the modern methods, I must realise that many people who watch your videos didn't do an apprenticeship for 5 years in a factory with every facility , the methods we used in the old days were handed down with someone sitting next to you, I could never make a video like you with the techniques that I use as it wouldn't be fair to The Watcher,
Keep up the good work guys,
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Right? This process seems pretty overcomplicated with all these expensive specialty tools
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Only ever worked on clarinets. About to take on a full pad replacement on a sax. How would you test each pad once seated? Screw back in one at a time, feelers, and then adjust off the horn or keep on?
Ammmmmazing video tutorial! TY so much!
Thanks for another great, informative video. This answered a question that had stumped me -- how can the leveling rings make the pad level, when the thickness of the ring causes the key cup not to close evenly? Now I see that the leveling ring is just the first step for the pad leveling process. Thanks again!
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How can you tell where old pads are leaking if they've got indentations from the tone holes already?
You can use a feeler gauge to find blind leaks. www.musicmedic.com/feeler-gauge-assortment.html
What about instead of using a small blob or dot of shellac in the center of the pad, using a bed of shellac that covers the entire surface of the pad, just not quite to the edge? Not necessarily a ‘thick’ bed but reaching throughout the back of it. Then flattening out this bed on an anvil. Wouldn’t that give you a more secure and more likely void free adhesive, and make leveling the pad easier?
Definitely cover the surface of the back of the pad, the dot in the middle is a good idea if the pad cups are extra deep like with King saxophones.
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There's no need to clamp pads closed. If pads are good, i just don't waste my time for wedging, clamping etc.. Even with cheap chinese pads (but not all). There were situations when i needed my sax to repad just a day or two before performance and needed to do it fast, had no problem. And there were couple of times when pads were leveled perfectly right away. No special tools needed, just a torch with thin flame, screwdriver, shellac, light inside the instrument, a bit of time and patience. Sometimes a piece of cardboard is needed to level a pad (when you don't want to bend cap to make it level, but it's not that bad) and it works just fine, didn't have a problem with it. I know that from professional point of wiew that is not good, but in real life when you need to get instrument working in short time, it's just fine and then, when you have a bit more time, can return to that cap and repair it.
Shimming is definitely a possibility, especially when you don't want to bend or when it's difficult to bend the key.
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what would cause my middle a and b notes to sound weird every once in a while,meaning one time in a frase its o.k then the next time in the frase its not o.k.
Let's assume middle means the lower octave, you would definitely want to start for checking for leaks, be sure to check the side keys. If it's the higher octave check the octave pip, as well as the condition of the octave pad. Also check the bore for obstructions.
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nice video, got one question for you , if i change my pad and install the key and use the leak light and there's no light coming out around the key, why would i need a pad leveler ?
Yes! If all that comes together on the first try, you're done! But chances are this won't happen on every pad, every time. Materials tend to settle, so using a leveling ring and distributing the adhesive beneath the pad is critical for adjustment later, and the longevity of the repair.
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Love the detailed info. You guys are the best #Shellackers!
Our pleasure!
Is temperature in Farenhei or in Celcius ?
Farenheit!
@@MusicMediccom Are you just pitching at the US market? If you aim at a global audience, you might want to think about using centigrade, which is used by over 95% of the world's population.
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