You're allowed to share your opinion-nobody has ever said otherwise. But do not dictate to others what is morally right or wrong. Just as you're entitled to your perspective, so are they. Your opinion is not above or below those who were also the targets of the jokes and found them acceptable. It is not up to you to determine what warrants an apology. You can express yourself freely, but the issue arises when you assume a stance of moral superiority.
Roc, with all due respect, you were gracefully dismantled on Mimikbrew's video by the person you originally thought was a dude but turned out to be a female in the comments section. We've already had this conversation privately, and I told you I wasn't going to do this in public, yet here you are nearly 2 weeks later poking the bear. Until you've read polemics, ontology and epistemology, please don't speak on morality and continue doing what you do best and make videos about card thieves and goofy poketubers
I don't understand what gender has to do with any of that, lol. And no, none of my points were disproven. I still stand by them. Because they're my opinion and my moral judgment, neither you nor anyone can take that away. 🫡 Yet again, you prove to me that you choose to take a morally superior high ground while trying to diminish the opinion of the other.
So wait, roc is it me or did you just say “hey, you called him out, it’s not up to you to say if racism is wrong, don’t take the stance of being morally superior”. This is funny coming from you, the drama channel, WHO PUTS HIMSELF ON TOP OF EVERYONE and criticizes others (other than friends ofc). It’s literally what your entire channel is based on, being “morally superior”. A long paragraph filled with nothingness won’t really scare people who know what they’re reading @rocsandy …
Wow, that was a wild one. The only thing I really agree with is that Bud and roc should have made videos. The rest is way off. • people are allowed to change their content. Ctr has been like this for a long time now. • you say you never called him racist. You just kind of implied it the whole time • If you don't think he is a racist then this shouldn't be a big deal • you legit basically threatened him and told him to watch his back cuz people will do some crazy stuff. You might want to delete this video. • even the glass jaw thing can be taken as a threat. • You're out of your mind if you think he should have to apologize to someone he's never met or talked to that gave him an ultimatum and gave him 24 hours to respond. What are you a villain? • when will people learn it's also racist to say you're just a white guy you won't understand any racism. • you're mad at him for saying F all these creators, but you can say F him and his fans the whole time?
I really think Ryan will be a better person now because of you ! That video is a great lesson of life, best part for me was lessons #9, a must having tool ! Thank you
While I might not agree with all your points I feel you have some genuine grievances that you needed to air. That being said I don’t feel the someone doing something stupid comment was helpful let’s not forget the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Overall I feel this was a well made video and dealing with topics like this are always going to draw out the strongest of emotions in people
@PokeManNips I appreciate your feedback. I've made a follow-up video on this with some retractions. I DO NOT condone such acts, which is why I said it. I may have articulated it in a way that may seem otherwise, but it was genuine advice because there are some extremely small brained crazy people out there that will do crazy stuff over the smallest of things. I wouldn't want anyone to be harmed in any way, shape, or form because of some Internet BS. That's my genuine opinion.
@@baztoise absolutely and like I said you had some genuine grievances that 100% needed saying and I recognise it was sarcasm from the unacceptable CTR chats I don’t make you wrong in having your opinion I just wanted to add my opinion in a constructive way
Ryan did address the issue, he called us weak men and stated that he would not "bend a knee". He made the entire thing about masculinity, rather than the actual issue. its in his "Not Stopping Until I Pull Rayquaza..." live stream, about 2:28:00 minutes in, there is some statements before that.
Baz I have no skin in this game, being offended, sure, you have every reason to be if that’s the way you feel, Spreading awareness about certain situations is a good thing, But don’t let yourself stoop to personal attacks people will decide accordingly how they feel Things should have been toned down a little bit and some “jokes” are played out but I feel like you should ask the other two parties involved about how they felt about the situation Maybe even have a video conversation with them for content.
Why would I do that when neither of the two had anything to do with the original video or the points I addressed therein? I critiqued their lack of voice on the topic, considering they're extremely quick to jump on anything else. So with that in mind, their silence actually says a lot. And it would be extremely disingenuous of me to instigate a conversation with them in private to get their views on something they were not party to to only then make a video on said views. I'm not about the snake life unfortunately. I don't want to talk on Roc because of his age, Opossum is fair game. He can choose to address it with me in private, he knew what was coming
Lol you would have some good points that would be considered by many if you weren't spending time attacking everyone and finger pointing and insinuating threats. Glass jaw being mentioned multiple times has long been a threat of breaking a jaw, and the way you speak, it's clear that you are indicating that. What a way to kill a promising channel. You could have easily presented this information and left out the attacks and the vitriol. You literally opened the video making fun of him instead of presenting a proper argument and call to action. You literally attack the people you want to listen to you.... "They have selective hearing". I would like to counter some of your points. Using what Ryan said years ago about his content doesn't apply today as content creators grow and change. Comedy shows tend to roast people in the audience a lot, especially comedians that don't care about "being canceled". Ryan's opinion on Lee isn't a full-on video on his channel. I doubt a response to someone he doesn't know personally or an apology would be enough with the energy you are providing. You want people to actually listen, quit using hearsay, quit the personal attacks, and quit the insinuation of violence towards others because you don't like what they said. You literally used a good cause to hide the shitty way you are approaching getting people to support your cause.
I don’t think what he said is good. You can say he got caught up in the excitement of the live stream with some friends. I don’t know who the other guys are. But no way would that stuff be read if the stream was with vault and rev. They are too protective of their brands. CTR gotta be more careful who he streams with. He does have a lot to lose. Ryan was laughing at comments and his buds were doubling down and making it worse. Not a good look. But was that stream worth obvious weeks of mental anguish on your part , multiple videos, t shirts and a charity ? No. He’s got 100k subs, he’s too small to even ‘cancel’. He may seem like a big deal in this tiny sphere but he’s nothing. You called him out, if other people want to call him out they can too. The type of people that watch him are already accustomed to sex jokes, inappropriate humor, cursing, drinking, etc, so that’s not likely. Best you can do is now is move on and make better content. If he really is a bad guy it will blow up in his face eventually.
Thank you for your input. I appreciate it. There wasn't any weeks of anguish on my part, I enjoyed the last few weeks of the summer holidays with my beautiful wife and children. I was too busy to sit down and record this video. Since I had time this weekend, I got it done and dusted. It's 2 videos in 2 weeks which is a lot less than I'd normally publish, but the point is noted. I honestly don't even want him cancelled. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think what he allowed was bad. I need to make that distinction explicit. And yes, you're 100% correct. I'm done with this subject matter for now and won't be investing any further time on the subject. Time to focus on better value content. Appreciate your time 🙏🏼
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You're allowed to share your opinion-nobody has ever said otherwise. But do not dictate to others what is morally right or wrong. Just as you're entitled to your perspective, so are they. Your opinion is not above or below those who were also the targets of the jokes and found them acceptable. It is not up to you to determine what warrants an apology. You can express yourself freely, but the issue arises when you assume a stance of moral superiority.
Roc, with all due respect, you were gracefully dismantled on Mimikbrew's video by the person you originally thought was a dude but turned out to be a female in the comments section. We've already had this conversation privately, and I told you I wasn't going to do this in public, yet here you are nearly 2 weeks later poking the bear.
Until you've read polemics, ontology and epistemology, please don't speak on morality and continue doing what you do best and make videos about card thieves and goofy poketubers
I don't understand what gender has to do with any of that, lol. And no, none of my points were disproven. I still stand by them. Because they're my opinion and my moral judgment, neither you nor anyone can take that away. 🫡 Yet again, you prove to me that you choose to take a morally superior high ground while trying to diminish the opinion of the other.
hahahaaha yo what this guy made fuck ctr shirts what an absolute loser
@@RocSandyThis sounds like 2 philosophers arguing in a bar at midnight.
So wait, roc is it me or did you just say “hey, you called him out, it’s not up to you to say if racism is wrong, don’t take the stance of being morally superior”. This is funny coming from you, the drama channel, WHO PUTS HIMSELF ON TOP OF EVERYONE and criticizes others (other than friends ofc). It’s literally what your entire channel is based on, being “morally superior”. A long paragraph filled with nothingness won’t really scare people who know what they’re reading @rocsandy …
Wow, that was a wild one. The only thing I really agree with is that Bud and roc should have made videos. The rest is way off.
• people are allowed to change their content. Ctr has been like this for a long time now.
• you say you never called him racist. You just kind of implied it the whole time
• If you don't think he is a racist then this shouldn't be a big deal
• you legit basically threatened him and told him to watch his back cuz people will do some crazy stuff. You might want to delete this video.
• even the glass jaw thing can be taken as a threat.
• You're out of your mind if you think he should have to apologize to someone he's never met or talked to that gave him an ultimatum and gave him 24 hours to respond. What are you a villain?
• when will people learn it's also racist to say you're just a white guy you won't understand any racism.
• you're mad at him for saying F all these creators, but you can say F him and his fans the whole time?
I really think Ryan will be a better person now because of you !
That video is a great lesson of life, best part for me was lessons #9, a must having tool ! Thank you
This sensitive guy was NOT built for the internet 😂😂
While I might not agree with all your points I feel you have some genuine grievances that you needed to air. That being said I don’t feel the someone doing something stupid comment was helpful let’s not forget the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Overall I feel this was a well made video and dealing with topics like this are always going to draw out the strongest of emotions in people
@PokeManNips I appreciate your feedback. I've made a follow-up video on this with some retractions. I DO NOT condone such acts, which is why I said it. I may have articulated it in a way that may seem otherwise, but it was genuine advice because there are some extremely small brained crazy people out there that will do crazy stuff over the smallest of things. I wouldn't want anyone to be harmed in any way, shape, or form because of some Internet BS. That's my genuine opinion.
@@baztoise absolutely and like I said you had some genuine grievances that 100% needed saying and I recognise it was sarcasm from the unacceptable CTR chats I don’t make you wrong in having your opinion I just wanted to add my opinion in a constructive way
@@PokeManNips appreciate it 🙏🏼
Ryan did address the issue, he called us weak men and stated that he would not "bend a knee". He made the entire thing about masculinity, rather than the actual issue. its in his "Not Stopping Until I Pull Rayquaza..." live stream, about 2:28:00 minutes in, there is some statements before that.
Baz I have no skin in this game, being offended, sure, you have every reason to be if that’s the way you feel,
Spreading awareness about certain situations is a good thing,
But don’t let yourself stoop to personal attacks people will decide accordingly how they feel
Things should have been toned down a little bit and some “jokes” are played out but I feel like you should ask the other two parties involved about how they felt about the situation
Maybe even have a video conversation with them for content.
Why would I do that when neither of the two had anything to do with the original video or the points I addressed therein? I critiqued their lack of voice on the topic, considering they're extremely quick to jump on anything else. So with that in mind, their silence actually says a lot. And it would be extremely disingenuous of me to instigate a conversation with them in private to get their views on something they were not party to to only then make a video on said views. I'm not about the snake life unfortunately. I don't want to talk on Roc because of his age, Opossum is fair game. He can choose to address it with me in private, he knew what was coming
Lol you would have some good points that would be considered by many if you weren't spending time attacking everyone and finger pointing and insinuating threats. Glass jaw being mentioned multiple times has long been a threat of breaking a jaw, and the way you speak, it's clear that you are indicating that. What a way to kill a promising channel. You could have easily presented this information and left out the attacks and the vitriol. You literally opened the video making fun of him instead of presenting a proper argument and call to action.
You literally attack the people you want to listen to you.... "They have selective hearing". I would like to counter some of your points. Using what Ryan said years ago about his content doesn't apply today as content creators grow and change. Comedy shows tend to roast people in the audience a lot, especially comedians that don't care about "being canceled". Ryan's opinion on Lee isn't a full-on video on his channel.
I doubt a response to someone he doesn't know personally or an apology would be enough with the energy you are providing.
You want people to actually listen, quit using hearsay, quit the personal attacks, and quit the insinuation of violence towards others because you don't like what they said. You literally used a good cause to hide the shitty way you are approaching getting people to support your cause.
I don’t think what he said is good. You can say he got caught up in the excitement of the live stream with some friends. I don’t know who the other guys are. But no way would that stuff be read if the stream was with vault and rev. They are too protective of their brands. CTR gotta be more careful who he streams with. He does have a lot to lose. Ryan was laughing at comments and his buds were doubling down and making it worse. Not a good look. But was that stream worth obvious weeks of mental anguish on your part , multiple videos, t shirts and a charity ? No. He’s got 100k subs, he’s too small to even ‘cancel’. He may seem like a big deal in this tiny sphere but he’s nothing. You called him out, if other people want to call him out they can too. The type of people that watch him are already accustomed to sex jokes, inappropriate humor, cursing, drinking, etc, so that’s not likely. Best you can do is now is move on and make better content. If he really is a bad guy it will blow up in his face eventually.
Thank you for your input. I appreciate it. There wasn't any weeks of anguish on my part, I enjoyed the last few weeks of the summer holidays with my beautiful wife and children. I was too busy to sit down and record this video. Since I had time this weekend, I got it done and dusted. It's 2 videos in 2 weeks which is a lot less than I'd normally publish, but the point is noted. I honestly don't even want him cancelled. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think what he allowed was bad. I need to make that distinction explicit.
And yes, you're 100% correct. I'm done with this subject matter for now and won't be investing any further time on the subject. Time to focus on better value content. Appreciate your time 🙏🏼
Well done @baztoise for speaking up on this. Shame others are too worried about their brand to do the same.
@@Psystrike_ yet they'd have you believe otherwise. Selective criticism
Who said you weren’t allowed an opinion? I want proof because I know you don’t have it. Building a narrative as usual.
😂😂😂 sick video bro stop reaching just let it go ur so weird
deleting comments again bro u are so weird