Menendez Brothers Original Wintesses Weigh In on Latest Developments
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Lyle and Erik Menendez were convicted of the grisly 1989 shotgun murders of their parents, Jose and Mary Louise "Kitty" Menendez, at the family's sprawling Beverly Hills mansion.
They’ve been in prison ever since.
But, do they have a new shot at freedom after a bombshell letter surfaced and the release of a new documentary supporting the brothers’ claims of SA by their dad Jose Menendez.
Original trial witnesses weigh in.
#BestGuests:
Dr. Ann Wolbert Burgess is an internationally recognized pioneer in the assessment and treatment of victims of trauma and abuse, and author of A Killer by Design: Murderers, Mindhunters, and My Quest to Decipher the Criminal Mind.
Among her many awards and accolades, in 2016 she was named a Living Legend by the American Academy of Nursing
She has also worked with FBI Academy special agents to study serial offenders, and the links between child abuse, juvenile delinquency, and subsequent perpetration.
You know the super successful Netflix show Mindhunter about the FBIs first days of criminal profiling - she worked with the real-life agents the show is based on.
Dr. Jon R. Conte is a University of Washington professor and scholar whose area of expertise centers on mental health issues related to child abuse and trauma.
Conte joined the School of Social Work in 1990.
He’s a founding president of the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children, Conte was honored by the association in 2012 with the designation of professor emeritus for life. In 2009, he received the society’s Ron C. Laney Award for Distinguished Service. He is a lifetime member of the APSAC Board where he serves as a senior advisor.
Conte is the editor of the Journal of Interpersonal Violence and Trauma, Violence and Abuse: A Review Journal, and is the consulting editor for the Journal of Forensic Social Work..
#MenendezBrothers #TrueCrime #LyleMenendez #ErikMenendez #Menudo #BoyBand #PrisonLife #TrueCrimeCommunity #crime_news #crimestory #truestory #murdermystery #murdernews
Let them out! Susan Wright Smith brutally stabbed her husband around 200 times and she was out in like 10 years.
You're stating what a rational and mature person should do in the situation although I would argue that most people would probably act similarly to the brothers. When the police don't show up after all the gun shots and loud noises I think it's basic human instinct to try and survive.
@@YourEverydaySheep agreed 1000000%
because she is a woman
Thank you for this video. Love to see both Dr. Conte and Dr. Burgess. The brothers should be freed!!
No they should still there. Because if they get released then you have to release every one that claimed they were abused who premeditated 2 murders.
@@sandyt7225 OK, we forgot to ask you... If you do your research on this case and not buy into every single lie, then myb you would also have to apply some of your rational faculties, which I doubt you have any.
@@sandyt7225They killed their parents out of fear for their lives, which was a result of the abuse and threats. Do your research
It’s insane to me how much money spending has more relevancy to some people than the incestuous abuse happening in that family. The brothers were raped by their father for years while their mother helped him cover it up and you’re all mad because the rich kids went shopping? C’mon now
Thank YOU......
Well said! I have a relative that actually think like that! Everything comes down to money! Even when it comes to lawsuits. No one can sue for anything, regardless of how they have been harmed!! It’s all about the money and if u get it, u r the bad one, not the perp. Absolutely bizarre.I think it comes from years of political brain washing.
I know right. this is insane.
There's no evidence of the brothers ever being raped. Their sob story is completely fabricated. Thankfully the jury didn't believe their lies.
I started to watch the testimony, and I will tell you as an abuse survivor myself, a domestic violence/boyfriend related abuse. I don’t think you can pass judgment on what you would do, unless you’ve ever been in an abusive situation as a child or an adult. I think they have served their time, and it’s obvious now with the Menudo singer coming out, specifying that Eric and Lyle’s father abused him they are to be believed and would of been in 2023.
They would have been believed if they were trialed now. I mean people were believed with abuse allegations that weren't this severe. Folks, who are against them, have to realize this case was dealing with 12 year long sadistic molestation. Are you gonna be undamaged by that experience or what? Where is the same energy when pedophiles or rapists are trialed? The brothers were just easy scapegoats.
That was literally incest happening, and that would confuse the hell out of any victim especially when it's your father who then calles you a faggot whilst having gay porn in his closet. The pro prosecution people are a joke. I wish they killed for money hah ,would have been easier.
The DA rigged the guilty verdict because they had JUST LOST THE OJ SIMPSON CASE AND THEY NEEDED A WIN. SOO ILLEGAL TO RIG AN OUTCOME AHEAD OF TIME.
So did you murder your abuser????
Both doctors look great after all these years.
Thank you Joel and Dr Jon. No worries, information was enlightening. Looking forward to hearing from Ann.
This was a great pod cast , i always like to hear what Dr Burgess has to say,, no matter what the problem is.
I wouldn't mind them in our society, they did their time and deserve a new trail. I just saw the menendez vs menudo right now, the father was a pedophile
I think they need to be freed, too. ❤
Bummed about Ann, but still a great, insightful podcast.
Omg, let the brothers out! They have served enough time for killing the most abusive parents we can imagine. We all know they were abused, the experts have spoken, sick of these prosecuters twisting the facts. And who in the hell was this judge who told the jury to disregard the experts testimony. New trial is warranted. I'm also sick of people not believing famous wealthy people are not abusive. Michael Jackson slept with young boys, which is a fact, but people think he was not sexual with them, omg! What grown man sleeps with little boys? I love his music, but that does not mean he was not a pedophile
Erik AND his cousins Henry Lliano and Andy Cano found gay porn in the parents room and moved it. It was not found in Erik's room. Considering how the brothers were raised it is completely consistent that they wanted to protect their parents image. All they ever did post crime was talk about how great their father was. None of that is inconsistent with someone who has been abused and molested. Emotions are complex and even more so when it's your own parent.
Jackson was aquitted so to say he was a pedophile is disengenous at the very least. Questionable behavior yes but he was found not guilty.
There's no evidence of the brothers ever being abused. The brothers are excellent liars, they proved it when they convincingly lied to police for 7 months before they were arrested. The succesfully lied to the 911 operator, to the first responders, to the investigators, to their friends and family members. But we are to believe that after they were finally incarcerated and faced the possibility of the death penalty, they suddenly discovered the beauty of truth and decided never to lie again. Seems legit. If you really believe that, I have a property on the Moon to sell you because you must be the most gullible person under the sun.
Exactly! These two cases are connected somehow, you can better understand one case when you understand another. What they have in common: untouchable and wealthy celebrity defended by his powerful image, pedophilia and same sex relationships are taboo items not willing to be discussed. Still amazed by those journalists who started to investigate MJ and his relationships with boys such as Diane Diamond. And also stunned by the Erik’s defense attorney Leslie Abramson. What she did at the first trial is unbelievable and due to her work we have the opportunity to understand the case and support Menendez brothers. I hope they will be freed!
I can only think of these two males where young females and claimed what these two claimed! They wouldn’t be in jail they probably wouldn’t have spent a day!
This was an excellent and very interesting interview, despite Dr. Burgess’s technical difficulties. Nice job keeping the conversation flowing and adapting Joel. ❤
Sorry the mother should have protected her children. She's as guilty as the father.
But just like the abuse there really wasn't any proof he did that and that the mother didn't protect them. And my issue with their story is they were grown. And could of moved out.And pressed charges against him. But this way they didn't have to work and support themselves.
Did you not listen of follow the trial?
Their was plenty of evidence that the mental, physical and sexual abuse happened..
It always blows my mind when people assume because someone is rich or in a prominent position that they wouldn't do something so horrific. That's like insinuating that poor people are bad parents. Either way they've served more than most murders will ever serve. There are mass murderers who have been let out before. There's also a lot of people who murder someone they do or don't know for whatever reason and most of time get 30 yrs. Ridiculous!!!
❤ cereal ❤
@@tedlouie I was talking into text but thanks for letting me know
It's like when the prosecutor said that Eriks mom would " fill out apllication sheets for him" that she wouldn't be able to abuse him or kill him. What an idiot
@@tedlouie J
Name one of those mass murderers you speak up that were let out...just one!
As i remember it , the murders were brutal. Whatever fear they had, they apparently got over it.
Well, if you are afraid of your life, you make sure someone is really dead, so he cannot get up and kill you.
Their sob story was obviously fabricated and made no sense. They could have just left. They were adults and they had money. There was no need to murder their parents.
@@ProLifeAtheistXXNo it was not fabricated. Pro-prosecution people are ignorant
@@Muirmaiden Pro-murderers people are incredibly gullible.
But if they were victims why did they buy rolex watches within a few days of the deaths of their parents
That lifestyle was normal for them plus retail therapy is a very real thing
Lyle also threw his watch across the room and cried the whole day.
Some women buy a lot when they are on their period.
Some people buy stuff when they are depressed, to feel better.
And hallo, what 18-21 year old given a few million dollars wouldn't go on a shopping spree?
Well actually Erik.
He didn't buy a lot of expensive stuff. Only Lyle did.
Just like his mother always went shopping to feel better.
So sorry for the trchnical difficulties! It was still so good! Thank you for the great work you do!
Let them out. They deserve to b released.
It's time to let them out. It's obvious they were seriously abused and threatened.
And grown and could of left. And reported him. But they didn't want to work and make their own way in life.And it says alot that he was telling people and telling them not to tell. They killed two people who were relaxing in their home. They killed their mother because if they didn't she would of got the money and not them.
Great stuff Joel, quite a provocative subject.
Dr conte very insightful ❤️ super interesting podcast! hopefully Dr. Burges can come back with better Wi-Fi 💖 would love for the two of them to have a expert convo 💖
I would've done the same thing. Just saying... let them out
big thank you 💜 and hello from Switzerland🇨🇭
I always enjoy hearing from AB but perhaps this was a lucky accident. Dr Conte was an excellent guest with so much insight beyond his famous client! I liked the 1:1 format and think there could be a place for it when discussing difficult topics. I got a ton out of this episode. Well done!!
I second that. Dr. Conte’s responses were very brief at times and I would have liked to hear more. Joel, could you ask follow up questions or just ask him to elaborate?
Best to cut Dr Anne out until another time. Great show otherwise
They should be set free already. They lived a terrible life
They did a terrible crime... Their mother was crawling away trying to get away from them when they shot her. They were greedy manipulative brats.. and they're still manipulating the system
@@jodievukmir3187 So you think two men with a emotionally underdeveloped psyche managed to manipulate and fool some of the best prepared psychologically professionals in the country? As well as pretty much everyone who ever knew Jose and Kitty?
Joel said himself in this episode that Dr. Conte probably knows more about trauma and sexual abuse than anyone else on this world, and he evaluated Lyle and his family for over 50 hours and came to conclusion he told the truth about the abuse. So much so he’s here still defending his release 30 years later. You think you know better than him?
@@jodievukmir3187 mother? Abusive b*tch is more like it.
Maybe you can relate better to the 'mother' than the abused kids (I noticed you are popping up all over the place defending the scumbag 'parents).
@@jodievukmir3187 Watch the trial an stop spreading misinformation. Dr. Conte and Dr. Burgess know far more about this case than you do.
I do not understand why they did not get away, way away from their parents and just resent them from afar instead of murdering them. They were pretty much adults when they committed this murder. Murder us murder. Take away two lives and you must pay the price for whatever time you are given.
Don't worry about the technical glitches Joel, you did extremely well to continue with Jon and it was so interesting. We will see Ann another time
I have mixed feelings on this one....
“Type it in the box Joel!”
Bummer (Ann Burgess’ connection)!
I’ll definitely be watching for a follow up with Ann solo!
Which brings up the desire to see such powerhouse experts solo.
It seems like a waste to see the world’s BEST guests sit back while others answer.
I’ve watched testimony and those are real tears and real pain that they were put through. They deserve a chance at life, let them free.
Joel, my humble suggestion for future connection problems is after 5 minutes of trying, just let your guest go and focus on the guest who has the good connection. I could only last for about 50 minutes, it was too annoying and I know it was anxiety provoking for you throughout.
FREE THEM!!!! ❤❤❤
Even with abuse they both planned, executed, and celebrated after the murders. They wanted the money as payment to live high off the abuse when they could of just blown the fathers abuse. Sorry, they need to pay for their actions.
QUESTION *** So why would they go on a shopping spree after committing the murders? It seems like they threw themselves a party.
Maybe they felt a sense of freedom and at their age I think anyone would probably go on a spending spree and party.
why not? I am sure they more than earned whatever money they spent!! Just horrible went they had to endure!
They were rich and grew in a family where spending great amounts of money was normal and even encouraged to uphold their images.
Also, retail therapy is a real phenomenon. Lyle, the one who spent the most, was known to spend even more money than usual when he was upset about something, such as after the killings.
#justiceforRoyandtheMenendezbrothers.
Joel you are a true professional. Handled this very well😂
I believe that they should have paid for their crimes of killing someone which they have... It really amazes me that some people that do just as horrific of a crime can get a change at parole... Maybe since it has been over 30 years give them the change to get out now
Enjoyed despite technical difficulties. Excited to see Anne again. Crazy that how far technology has come and we still have places with no reception 😂
Two of the countries most respected experts in the field of psychology and child abuse who interviewed both brothers for 50 hours, interviewed many family members, friends and associates and looked over every single bit of evidence in the case believe the brothers were acting out of the fear of being killed but I guess random people know more than them.
Not everyone is abused in the same way and not everyone reacts the same way for many different reasons.
You do realize that this destroys "a reasonable man would believe". Open season on abusive parents. Feelings override facts.
Sounds about right and GOOD.
Right. That's way they argued imperfect self defense not perfect
That's the entire point of their defense. For imperfect self defense the person needs to have an unreasonable but honest belief. It would be perfect self defense if they had a reasonable belief.
@@YourEverydaySheep thnx
Love this doctor Conti. Irrational fear…❤
On the rewatch crew. Joel and truly best guest🥰
Problem is it's not a very good case for self-defense. The victims were just relaxing on the couch when they were attacked.
Not according to the forensic pathologist who analyzed the crime scene. And even if they were, imperfect self defense is about the belief of imminent danger by the defendant, not about actual danger itself
It's not about SELF DEFENSE. It was about SEVERE, CONSTANT TRAUMA that eventually became built up RAGE. Those parents were EVIL AND THEY DESERVED IT. PERIOD.
They were standing. They were not relaxing on the couch
@@eliaol4231 perhaps you should look at the crime scene photos they were on the couch relaxing... The mother was found crawling away from them. As they shot her 14 times
@@jodievukmir3187 overkill points to fear. To understand the fear you have to take the history of abuse into consideration. And killing someone with a shot gun will inevitably creat a mess. No crime picture looks "nice"
Yes , let them free 👏👏👏
Why would the parents kill the boys, and not fear being found out. I don't buy it. I don't see justification in the brutal killing. Also, where did they get the guns?
Tech glitches happen, no worries Joel. Still a good show. Hopefully you can get Ann and Jon back again together. 😷🇨🇦
So I guess war veterans who kill people should spend the rest of their lives in prison too if we're going by that logic.
As much as the law says that nothing gives a human being the right to murder, nothing says there is also a right to abuse. At this period in time nobody would have believed claims against a powerful parent(s) - I hid abuse for 35 years against somebody because my mother believed that abuse claims from young girls against men were highly improbable and made up.
Fantastic show. I learned so much.
If they hadn’t went on their ridiculous spending spree and lifestyle after the murders, I might be able to buy into this narrative. I think they are right where they belong and should stay there.
I agree.
People experience grief differently. Compulsive shopping can be a coping mechanism in situations of great distress. Plus if they killed them for money and this was murder wouldn't they want to avoid detection at all costs?And if you kill for money why don't you spend that money more wisely and not follow all your whims. Where were their smarts to invest that money into smth that would bring them more money? Oh, why don't you take the wallets (thay were depicted in the crime photos) of the folks you've killed if you are so greedy? Why would you attend the funeral of the people you have killed? And tell me ,why would a child ever kill their parents? ( don't tell me they were old enough to get away. Abusive households operate differently) Money is too shallow of a reason. And tell me, why then poor kids kill their parents? For money as well? See, you can't prove murder as you can't prove that they premeditated it and if they did ,it begs the question of WHY. And to know the why you gotta watch the trial. Its not a mystery. I can't do it for you.
Erik didn't go on a shopping spree.
It was Lyle doing that.
And so did his mother when she needed to feel better.
You don't get to get away with 2 murders even if you've been abused in all ways. The world is full of abuse survivors that haven't murdered their abusers.
Thank GOD for U that you haven't been through this nor do you KNOW a friend who this has happened to, otherwise you would unfortunately GET IT what drove these two victims into a HOMICIDAL RAGE. THEY BOTH SEXUALLY ABUSED THEM starting when they were TINY.
They did not get away with it. Three decades behind bars...
@@jenleigh342 Stupid Assumption. I am a rape survivor. My statutory rapist only served 3 of his 6 yr sentence. Only to stalk me and follow me to another state only to rape and murder 3 girls who looked just like me. If he had been punished accurately 3 YOUNG girls would still be walking this earth. Next time you try to belittle someone think 1st because you suck at it.
@jenleigh342 they didn't go into a rage. They premeditated it. And if they were so afraid of their parents then why didn't they move out or report them Its not like they were young children. They didn't want to give up the money and the life they had. And if you released them then you have to release everyone who premeditated 2 murders and claim abuse.
The world is also full of dead children, killed by one of their parents. A man like José Menendez would definitely be capable of killing them to avoid being exposed like a pedophile.
For the love of God, let guests with poor connections use the good ole telephone to contribute. It ruins the flow of the conversation. It is also stressful for guests trying to do the impossible. The internet just doesn’t work well in some areas.
Well, if you were around during this case it was very clearly bs coming from the Kitty’s and Jose sons. It seems there is a rewriting of history going on.
If they were females would we have felt differently about how their sadist father abused them their entire lives. Because they are boys and not girls does that make it less of a crime of sa.
Joel we should call you Job after this interview. Your patience was amazing
Yay I fought a live! My favorite podcast peeps!
Joel.. I want you to remember this comment when it happens: I believe the brothers will be let out of prison without a new trial, ONLY on the agreement that they will not sue the state of California and prison systems.
I don’t know how everyone stayed so calm with the mix of SA and tech issues . My anxiety was out of control.
Erik testified years of 'drills'/abuse of having to sit in front of a mirror as his dad imbedded in his mind to sit in question and answer form, Jose would enforce he would unalive Erik, not just hurt, but actually unalive him if he told anyone about the abuse. The details of Erik trying to change the assaults by using various foods to minimize the reality of having to engage in these horrible acts with his own father are terrible.
Imagine being raped by your own "father" and neglected like this by your "mother" from early on... the world is a better place without them in it! May they rot in hell.
Great job under difficult circumstances!
People can recover from family trauma - but no one recovers from being shot to death.
If a person is being abused - better to confront that before loading a gun.
If they are exonerated - it will set a precedent.Abuse is abuse and murder is murder.
Anyone who plans to murder even an abusive spouse usually gets a long prison term.
Your understanding of law is pretty limited ,and of this case too
I agree with you to an extent. But, the older boy learned while on leave from University that the dad was still sexually assaulting the younger brother, so he confronted his dad, hoping he would let the younger brother leave home for University. Instead, the dad told him his younger brother could not go. Later the mother confronted them about threatening to expose the dad and ruining the family. That is why they believed the parents were planning to kill them for threatening to report the dad.
They were controlled, manipulated, and sodomized by an adult male since they were very young children. Do you think they developed like an average young adult to make rational decisions?
The spending spree, in part, was probably a sense of freedom and power to them against their parents.
They should not have gotten off scot-free, nor should they have received a life sentence.
@@eliaol4231 You are so right! I had no idea it was ok to commit a homicide if you had bad parents. Also - this case has never interested me enough to get past the word 'parricide'.
@@norlavine It would be better if you didn't put words in my mouth. And you better showcase your ignorance elsewhere. It's not impressive at all. Have a jolly day!
If they would have poisened their parents or some way less graphic and brutal than blowing them up with shotgun i think they would have been more sympathetic to brothers. The fact they blew parents away and also reloaded for more brutal killing just hurts them in public eye. Just a total ambush and vicious murder.
If they would have poisoned them and they would have survived, the brothers'lives would still be in danger...
Dr Conte saves the day. That was painful. Although it may have been more painful for joel 😉
ahhhh this is a bummer!
I think the brothers were afraid most days and their parents caused their fears with abuse and threats . I believe that the brothers rightfully believed that the father would find them if they ran.
The dr said they had an irrational fear their parents would kill them. I don't think it was an irrational fear. People kill their children and people abuse their children and a man like José Menendez would definitely kill to rule out being exposed.
Slaughtered the mother. Came back in after reloading, then right to the face.
I have never seen any solid evidence that they were abused. And even if they were, last time I checked vigilante justice was and still is illegal.
The defense presented medical records, inappropriate photographs of the brothers’ genitals as children, witnesses, audio tapes and the psychological evaluations of trauma and child abuse experts that supported the brothers’ claims. Is that not solid evidence?
And no one said what they did wasn’t ilegal, but life without parole is too harsh of a punishment given their circumstances
@@leticiakormann7206 Yes, thank you AGAIN. Those parents were EVIL TO THE CORE. PERIOD.
True but a lot of people get less time with mitigating factors like these.
Watch the case to see the evidence
Technical difficulties = next channel.😂
I think they wanted money, and they felt that killing their parents would help them inherit money.
I was abused and I didn’t kill my parents.
I have a hard time believing this was self defense.
Since we live in a world where everybody’s a victim and everyone should just get handouts, then let’s go ahead and let these brothers out of prison and see who they will kill next. Yep, that’s the right thing to do.
So they didn't claim self defense, they claimed imperfect self defense.
As for the money motive there wasn't one. The prosecution proposed that and a grand jury a year before the first trial rejected that based on lack of evidence. Then you have testimony from the brothers and family members that multiple people were told by Jose he kicked the boys out of the will a year before the killings. The brothers were told this as well as their uncle Carlos who was in charge of the Menendez estate. And when their Aunt Marta tried to comfort the boys saying the family would help them with the inheritance and the estate the boys were confused. She said to them that they were the sole beneficiaries and they said no they weren't because they were removed from the will.Then there was the fact that in January of 1990 Lyle was going to automatically become a major layer in one of Jose's companies I believe. Also if it was about money then why didn't they wait until Jose had the required doctor's appointment done for his life insurance policy.
I think their court case was biased...however the way they chased their mother down really disturbs me.
The way their mother would shout at their faces how much she hated them and wished they were dead since they were toddlers and the way she would keep everyone away from their room while Jose raped them really disturbs me
Joal handle this bad connection. Dr.Conte deserved better treatment. Ann should bow out for tonight.
Ann should of got the fact it aint working she's a legend but she didn't get that mental aspect that she was ruining it lol
Is it true that at the time of the murders, the brothers weren’t living at home.
Not true.
The older brother was attending Princeton; the younger brother was living at home. When the older brother came home for break, his brother revealed to him the father had been abusing him since childhood and continued abusing him sexually. The father was still making the younger brother have sex with him.This set off the older brother, who confronted the father, which set off the chain of events.
@@theresanault5219 Those pedophiles deserved what they got.
Well yeah that kinda happens when the thing causing you fear is gone.
Replay crew!
For future: why can’t Ann just call in
What a frustrating interview due to a faulty connection. Beyond frustrating.
“Imperfect self defense” exactly. I believe their nightmarish traumatic upbringing of the worst kind of torture they were subject to. Their mother let it happen their who life, she was an accomplice. Set them free.
Hey Doc. Can you also explain the fact that the father, whom they killed horrendously, was born in Cuba...got himself educated...rose from waiting tables to earning a college education and rose to the prestigious level he held. And the boys, who shot their mother 14 times, while she was trying to crawl away from them, did it because they were "abused"?
Can you explain what the actual f4ck the child r4pists rise to power by abusing teenagers to get contracts has anything to do with the second part of your comment
What is there to explain? Men who work hard can also be abusive and incestuous people. Also quick fact check. The mother had 8 areas of wounding although some of the wounds were suspected to be caused by the same shot so no they didn't shoot their mother 14 times. Not like it matters though as the experts themselves say, overkill is almost expected to happen in cases like this.
I agree with the person who said the truth is probably somewhere in the middle...
You letting Ann continually interrupt your other guest through no fault of her own was very rude. Learn when to call it over technical issues
Wow!! Tic for Tac? Catch 22? Mother & Fathers were created to protect and nourish all children which are lent to us and certainly not just property,Mother knew what was going on and did not protect them and Father was just plain evil;And I do believe the brothers did believe they would be killed.Trurh be told what is done is done; Let them out and have a 2nd chance at life!
They committed a horrible murder of their father and mother. They blew them away while they watched t.v. They went and reloaded to come back to shoot their mother. I don’t think being abused excuses murder.
Obviously you don't KNOW real life people who have been sexually ABUSED. My best friend was sexually abused by her stepdad starting when we were in grade school and it continued until we were in high school. It RUINED HER LIFE. You need to read more STATISTICS on HOW many suicides ALONE happen from people being victims of sexual abuse. These parents were EVIL and DESERVED to go back to the HELL they CAME FROM.
Then you agree with Alan Dershowitz who came up with abuse excuse who is associated with Jeffrey Epstein. Child rapists and sodomizers don't believe being abused is a viable excuse.
Nobody said abuse=excuse. Abuse=explanation. That's it. Get over yourself. Imagine getting upset over a pedophile and an abusive mother😂. Watch the trial...
@@eliaol4231 - imagine getting upset over a pedophile and abusive mother? Are you for real? I did watch the trial. I didn't know so many people were into child sodomizing and abusive parenting.
Father and mother? They don't deserve those titles if the abuse story is true. 😏
The brothers were old enough to leave home if conditions were bad.
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Sexually abused or not, those young men did not need to kill anyone. Their lives were not at risk. Especially killing their mother! -- terrible! They did it for the money, in my opinion. They should serve their full sentence.
People who say they did it for money are complete idiots!! At least watch the trial, look at the evidence, listen to the testimonies from aunts, uncles, cousins, friends, coaches, teachers, and experts instead of relying on what's in the media. The mother SA'd Lyle when he was a teen. That's why she allowed the father's abuse of Erik to continue for so long. And the father would not have allowed the abuse to come out when Lyle threatened him with talking about it. Lyle said it himself: Jose would have preferred to have a murder trial than a SA trial!
This guy from wash state … works at the university known for their liberal viewpoints thus this Dr C says they never should have been convicted … wow what a precedent he would have set … so brutal murder guilty and they never denied they did it .. they did .. so they were abused … sad and that’s pathetic … but they still murdered their parents !! Period . Do the crime do some time …
He's been working as a child abuse and trauma expert since the 1970's and is one of the countries most highly respected individuals in the field. I'd sooner side with how he feels rather than a random person who knows very little about the case.
It's pretty normal for a child to be concerned if red wine was spilled on their parent's carpet. I also think that Erik was gay. Not that it should make a difference if his father really molested him, but I recall information that they found gay pornography in Erik's bedroom. He claimed he was protecting his father from being "outed". For some reason this was not allowed in as evidence & the jury never heard about this. My first thought was...If you are going to blame someone for molesting you, why would you be concerned about protecting them. Too many reasons they could have moved out from home. Why kill your parent's at the age where you are about to become independent? And why kill your mother. This was premeditated too. These two guests are quacks in my opinion.
So it's clear you don't know about how abusive families work especially when incest and sexual abuse was involved. On top of that with a family that was as obsessed with seeming perfect like the Menendez's. For example, former teachers testified about how Kitty would not inform the schools about the boy's especially Erik's learning difficulties and disabilities due to her and Jose's belief that "it made the family look bad."
Also the jury in the first trial did hear from Erik about the pornography and where it came from.
Also Erik wasn't gay although it doesn't matter. The prosecution tried to claim he was to discredit him and it worked, male jurors were disregarding everything and part of it was due to Erik's supposed homosexuality.
I believe they kill the mother because if they didn't she would of gotten the money and not them.
@@sandyt7225 Nah, they thought they were out of the will. The prosecution was never able to prove they killed for money.
The gay porn was found in the fathers bedroom...
Obviously it was the father that was the gay (or bi-sexual) one.
Erik is married to a woman and supports the gay community but claims he isn't gay and there is no reason to assume he is gay just because his father raped him repeatedly.
I watched that entire trial didn't believe them plus the violence of the crime was insane. I'm not saying the parents were Angels and they were old enough to leave. JMO, sorry I just didn't believe them it seemed to be all of a sudden this came in just like Casey Anthony.
What did you think about Robert Rand's tape recordings of Donovan Goodreau?
The violence suggests overkill which doesn’t imply cold, calculating, first degree homicide.
Not condoning their actions one iota,. But after watching the trial, I concluded that these boys were likely lying about the SA. However, many testified on the boys behalf about the brutal mental and physical abuse that those boys were subjected to in their parents quest to fulfill their own childhood dreams through their children. Dedication to the sport was not the boys dreams But the parents!! And the boys were not stone cold spoilt brats by any stretch. Real tears were sobbed during the trial. Specifically, they struggled with talking and hearing of the parents injuries. It is heartbreaking to watch..
If you believe them and the witnesses about other things why not the sexual abuse?
Are you kidding me?? I was abused my entire childhood too but I didn’t kill my father and mother. In fact, I know many abuse survivors and they never harmed a soul. Abuse doesn’t give you the right to hurt anyone else. Get out at 18 and stay away. They were free to leave home and never set eyes on their parents. It was totally for the money. They should stay in jail. They killed two people in cold blood!!!
You people again arguing that child r4pists shouldn't be punished. Love to see it.
Not every situation is the same. They believed that their parents were going to kill them.
I say 20 years each parent with 5 years suspended each parent so 30 years minus good time
Anyone else feel the same?
I wouldn’t be saying the same thing if they weren’t abused
That story about the cinnamon made my stomach turn upside down 😳
You have to weigh how safe you feel the public at large will be upon their re entry into society. I’d wager a guess we are safe.
@@Ashley__Rose Even their probation reports from 1995 before they were sent to prison indicated they were not a danger to anyone. I don't think society is benefiting from them being locked up. In fact it only serves to further hurt a lot of their family.
@@YourEverydaySheep our society at large is definitely not in danger if they were to be released.
Another thing I’m concerned about- how much adequate therapy have these 2 men received while incarcerated? For being repeatedly SA’d by their father I’d wager not. If they were released they could get better access to that.
@@Ashley__Rose Before they were sent to prison they spent 5 years in the LA County jail in which their lawyers made sure they received adequate therapy through the the entire time. If you listen to Lyle or Erik speak in interviews today I think it's pretty clear they have developed maturely and have a deep understanding of why they did what they did and how else they should have handled the situation.