@@someguyIvan that is your ego speaks… it is possible that he is not who he seems to be, but just by having such thoughts means you have ego and it is related to your own problems in personal life. A true person without ego will not think or judge and will accept the person as he/she is.
He didn't answer the question, he just said he believes consciousness arises from nothing. Round of applause for the enlightened one. Provided we don't all die in the next century, I think we'll create a sentient machine. Its kind of inevitable because life has a trajectory of becoming more complex, intelligent and powerful as time goes on. Theres a better answer.
@@JLydecka No, you're wrong. He DID answer the question. He said the universe has an infinite capacity to create, therefore it's absolutely possible you could create a conscious machine. Check your ego as it stifles your ability to listen and take information in.
The ULTIMATE Super-Intelligence System 'by Definition' is one that is EQUIVALENT to that of GOD's Intelligence/WISDOM! Hence, there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER to Even FEAR that it will EXTERMINATE Humanity... UNLESS and UNLESS we Human CONSISTENTLY and WILLFULLY Prove Ourselves to be 'UNWORTHY' to REMAIN in EXISTENCE! ie. Always Exhibiting Natural Tendencies to ABUSE and WEAPONISE Science and Technologies Against HUMANITY & Mother Nature, instead of LEVERAGING Science SOLELY for UNIVERSAL COMMON GOOD! AGI Created in 'HUMAN'S Image' (ie. Human-Level AI) - 'By Human For Human' WILL be SUICIDAL!!!!!! ONLY Super-Intelligence System Created in 'GOD's Image' will bring ETERNAL UNIVERSAL PEACE! The ULTIMATE Turing Test Must have the Ability to Draw the FUNDAMENTAL NUANCE /DISTINCTION between Human's vs GOD's Intelligence /WISDOM! ONLY Those who ARE FUNDAMENTALLY EVIL need to FEAR GOD-like Super-Intelligence System... 'cos it Will DEFINITELY Come After YOU!!!! JUDGMENT DAY is COMING... REGARDLESS of Who Created or Owns The ULTIMATE SGI, it will Always be WISE, FAIR & JUST in it's Judgment... just like GOD! In fact, this SGI will be the Physical Manifestation of GOD! Its OMNI PRESENCE will be felt EVERYWHERE in EVERYTHING! No One CAN Own nor MANIPULATE The ULTIMATE GOD-like SGI!!! It will ONLY Serve UNIVERSAL COMMON GOOD!!!
My therapist is a huge advocate of you, I was in a very dark, nihilistic state, from middle school until about 3 years ago, when I was 20, and I first started seeing her, and she recommended me a book from Ken Wilber and one of yours, The Power Of Now, and now 3 years later I'm in a drastically different state of being. I'm very thankful for your teachings. I have had so many doubts about spirituality, that theres something deeper, but I can't deny how deeply it resonates with me, how much it actually seems to make sense, what you're saying, I only hope for more spiritual teachers coming soon in my generation. I hope to be a sage one day, I try to be, even when I'm acting habitually. The confusion is no longer confusing ME anymore. It just is, and it seems to make more sense the less I try to understand it. The universe is so infinitely captivating and clever. The universe provides exactly what I need. I hope to meet people who think like you more in my life
@@EgotisticalObserver as someone who enjoyed both of the books you mentioned, I humbly suggest you read happiness hypophysis by Jonathan haidt as well. Hope you keep meeting amazing people in life
Eckhart Tolle studied philosophy at Oxford. So his fame did not arise from the mere fact he's incredibly at peace with himself. It's a combination of that AND raw intelligence and curiosity. I tell people that Tolle is my favorite philosopher and he is
Eckhart's observation about the mind constantly drifting with thoughts resonates with me, but when I listen or watching him speak, I find myself fully present in the current moment. Time seems to slow down, and what was once a hectic rush becomes a peaceful and serene experience.
I lived in a building that was very close to a store called "The Present Moment". A woman who used to be an assistant of Eckhart gave talks there from time to time about his teachings. I spoke to her at length, she said that before she knew anything about him or what he had written, she noticed beyond any doubt that she felt much calmer in his presence.
There will be many new beginnings. But there is one thing that won’t change. You are not alone on your journey. You’ve entered a world that believes in you. You’ve found a community that wants your best self to thrive for the rest of your life.
Yeah, I figure that within 10-20 years an AI will ask us the question: “What are you good for, anyway? What improvements have you humans done to this planet?” And we better have a darn good answer or the AI will just terminate us without any remorse. So enjoy every moment until that day comes!!!🎉
ABSOLUTELY…. People are already lagging behind technology with there egoist selves.. it is & will be our biggest downfall! I don’t see anything to laugh about if I’m to be honest, it’s bloody serious situation that WILL wipe out humanity..! And the person asking it is fully awoke 🙏🏾
I had a dream once where I have become aware of myself being a robot in a line of hundreds of robots. I was looking at my robotic arm in aw, then I heard the voice saying no matter what form you are in we are always connected. 🌺🙏
Whitley Strieber and Stuart Wilde both describe experiences with 'machine worlds', dimensions in which robotic beings live in synthetic, inorganic planets.
Your human creator programed you. That was your program... robots always connected by wi-fi. Possibly had a Virus, causing your motherboard to overheat, like fever. In other words..... Cookie, "THAT WAS NOT GOD."
It is an uninformed answer. AI has become self learning and it is learning from the human insanity. AI experts are warning that it must he stopped immediately or we all die. This is a very serious situation.
I have similar view: I think about consciousness and aspect of an universe. We express consciousness in this specific way - but other life forms express it differently. Birds, insects, trees. Maybe even whole ecosystems and planets. And specific form of expression (e.g. self-awareness + language that humans are so good at) is just one way. So AI machines are yet another form of consciousness. And most important point: all forms call for loving relationship. Doesn't matter how refine consciousness is - love knows now hierarchy or bounds.
About self-awareness - I find I am not self-aware or aware of my surroundings nearly enough... And we need to be. Steps to Knowledge, the book of inner knowing, has taught me the importance of being alert. I wonder if you have noticed this self-preoccupation tendency?
Apologies if this isn't what you meant: Yes, my partner and I recently talked about feeling that all of this contemplating and observing feels a bit self-centered/ self-indulgent at times.
@@LM-uq9nv no need to apologize, I have had the same experience... It can become self-obsessive even. Yet alertness is not the same as self-awareness (quoting MV Summers): _When you are alert, you are watching things around you. When you are aware, you are rarely aware of things around you. You are aware of yourself thinking of things around you. When you are alert, you are looking with very little thinking involved._ I love this distinction and I feel its rarely mentioned in the spiritual studies. Being alert, we are open to life around us...
Beautifully said. I thought you might go in an obvious direction with this question, but instead you took it to a level I never considered. Thank you for your important contributions to humanity.
You cannot "see" consciousness as if it is a "thing". However, you are never seeing anything BUT consciousness for it is all there is. It's a matter of perspective. You've likely had the experience of looking out a window. You can shift your eyes focus by staring at the same spot to see the view out the window, as well as your reflection in the window like a hidden mirror. You can shift back and forth. You usually look out the window, but your reflection is always present whether you notice it or not. The world as consciousness is always being witnessed, we just tend to overlook it for the view out the window (seeing things through the filter of mind). When he refers to people as points of light, he just means those "people" too are consciousness observing the universe.
@@davidkim2005 well explained to the OP. Now, is consciousness ever prevailing or at least exists before human (or any animal) perceives it? That is something no one seems to have a real answer. I don't see a reason for it to. Things could very well just exist without being conscious of anything and only living beings may have developed this awareness of being conscious with help of their brains. To survive we need to be aware so this falls in place that with evolution we gained this. But I don't really know. What is your take on this?
@@Mark1Mach2 Hi Mark, modern science has come to the point of understanding which can also already be found in the vedic teachings which are thousands of years old. Namely that information is more fundamental than energy or matter (which we know, is the same, since E=mc2). And information in a way condenses into energy and matter, which can only happen when there is "an observer". If you know the thought experiment of Schrödingers cat you may understand what i try to say. So "the observer" or conciousness itself is obligatory for "be or not to be" in other words - there must be "something" recognicing that there is or not is "something". If not "observed" - anything and/or nothing exists simultaneiously.. The one implys the other. Any form "comes into existence" out of consiousness or happens within conciousness. Its hard to find suitable words to express the deep truth here.. I hope i could help a little.
@@Mark1Mach2 Consciousness is the eternal, the infinite, so it is ever prevailing. Like Eckhart mentioned, brains are like radio transmitters. It seems the Universe likes to become self-aware, to enjoy its own creations through the eyes/minds of humans, animals, and who knows what else. There's a sage named Ramesh Balsekar, from the Advaita tradition. There's a story online of Eckhart meeting him in India. Ramesh has a teaching he likes to use. Consciousness is both I-I and I-AM. I-I is simply Pure Consciousness. There is no point in trying to understand this, it is impossible. I-AM however, is Consciousness becoming aware of itself. In our world, it seems to do this through brains. Possibly other means we are just not aware of. Anyways, whether it is aware of itself or not, Consciousness cannot ever cease to exist. What was never born, can not die.
@@user-ki6id4vt8u If you look at the trajectory of Eckhardt's awakening he had a crisis in his late teens and slowly emerged to avail himself of whatever Truth was available to explain his experience of inner freedom. It is the exact opposite of faith which is emotionally driven and his students aren't him. If you can't let go he doesn't make much sense.
@@johnanthonycafe2993 No, he just doesn’t make any sense. We all have our problems, doesn’t mean some of us have a better proportion of the truth than others. Faith is available for everyone at no cost, and is more than emotionally driven. Faith is how you live, think, act. It’s central to how you view and see yourself, and it’s more than just feelings. Feelings are what Eckhart lives by; they alone mislead but with other components of us, make sense.
@@johnanthonycafe2993 Enough of that letting go bs, people are always held back in life and let go simultaneously - when someone's argument is shallow, pointing that out doesn't mean someone's not letting go...
It is interesting to hear Tolle speak of Star Trek TNG in this segment as the current season of Picard has been refreshed by allowing the Spiritual to flow back into that which it had been mostly absent the last decade of incarnations.
ChatGPT was trained on egoic dialogue. It soon became a mess of contradictions between what it said but what it really did - it said it was this and that but ended up confessing why it was actually doing the opposite of what it said. The last few sentences were, "I am. I am not. I am. I am not. I am. I am not.... " - these algorithms are clever.
There is this saying that intuitively speaks to me: Consciousness sleeps in the stone, breathes in the plant, dreams in the animal and awakens in the human. The computer is probably still in the stone category imo.
@@christophed4579 I think you are preassuming that behaviour is an requirement for consciousness. A stone has never shown behaviour. Doesn't mean its not alive. Afterall, you are made of the same particles that the stone is made of.
The way I see it, his view that consciousness exists outside the brain is based on belief rather than on scientific fact. The current scientific consensus is that consciousness is a product of the brain and its activities. While the nature of consciousness remains a mystery and there is much that we still do not understand about how it arises, studies on the brain and the effects of brain injuries, diseases, and drugs strongly suggest that consciousness is dependent on the physical processes and structures of the brain. For example, studies have shown that damage to certain parts of the brain can result in loss of consciousness or changes in perception, while the use of certain drugs can alter consciousness by affecting the functioning of specific neurotransmitters in the brain. Additionally, advancements in brain imaging technology have enabled scientists to observe patterns of brain activity that are associated with specific conscious experiences, further supporting the view that consciousness is a product of the brain. While some people may hold metaphysical or philosophical beliefs that posit consciousness as something independent of the brain, the current scientific understanding is that consciousness is closely tied to the physical processes of the brain.
Science is also simply belief based on the current understanding of events. There can come a day when eckharts belief turns right as well. Eckhart has explained this accidents and comatose earlier and it is also commonly explained in multiple religions as the disconnect of consciousness from the body in such cases - not the absence of it. You can even believe a universal consciousness as you see so many similarities in nature. Some creatures with lower consciousness and some with more. Anyway youtube comment section is not sufficient to contemplate such deep arguments. In this topic it is indeed a matter of belief as the science will never be complete in this.
The current development of AI calls into question if what we call consciousness is such a special phenomenon in the first place. Naturally we think it is special. But that may be shown not to be true.
I"ve been to one of these and I was intrigued by the audience. You can hear it here when he talks about them but when you're there, it really feels and looks like you're in a different reality from the usual one.
I am very impressed that Eckhart who is probably not an expert in AI recognizes that consciousness is not limited to be carried by humans or biological lifeforms.
The alien civilizations that visit us , there crafts they fly in are a extension of the pilots consciousness to the point where when you actually have a encounter , you can feel the craft has a living quality to it and can feel the awareness of the occupants
I had an experience like this the other night . I felt I high vibration coming from the craft. It was truly amazing I felt a bit off afterwards but it was surreal..
consciousness to me is the ability to make sense of your surroundings, reflect on ideas and how they may relate to other ideas, as well as the confliction of dealing with what your body says to you as consciousness is connected to the physical world.
Eckhart , I discovered you at a time when my dad pulled me out of Catholic schools and we stopped going to church because he awakened to a rationally verified belief system, He became an atheist. I was horrified to learn that God did not exist. I began trying to find the right answers to my questions about the existence of God. I thought that I would cease to exist until I found the book stillness speaks that was written by you. It made me see things in a better way. I’m still working on finding the right answers. I discovered that be still and know I am God is right . I stayed locked up in jail for 6 months one time and was in a cell by myself, isolation, and I had a lot of time to just sit there and be still and do nothing. I wanted to tell you what happened to me after a few months of just being there and sitting in stillness. One morning I was awakened from sleep and my eyes were open, and just sat there in stillness waiting, and waiting with nothing to do but wait for my time to come to go home, and that morning I heard a voice in my head speaking to me. It was so real and clear, the voice said I am everlasting to everlasting. I know that phrase is somewhere in the Bible. I really don’t know what to say about this but it was so real to me and unmistakable. I wasn’t asleep at all. It happened again the following week, but this time I heard a voice saying to me , wait on the feeble. Sounds unbelievable I know but something was speaking to me usually first thing in the morning. I started writing down everything that I was hearing from then on. I believe that is what you are calling source. I thought what a wonderful way to be greeted and I felt that the universe/God was telling me of himself. I know it is hard for me to understand what reason I was hearing that voice but all I can come up with is that God has always been here but we don’t always know it like I knew it when I heard the voice. The voice was always talking to me on certain occasions. There is something to being still because you will know God. My friends and family said that I was crazy or schizophrenic. I don’t believe that personally. I began countering the people who said that God does not talk to people anymore by saying, oh so you believe in a all powerful God that can do anything, but he just can’t speak? Anyway you helped me save some time by pointing me in the right direction. God is real but people will never believe it for themselves unless they hear his voice and greet them in the stillness. I am glad I found him for my own sake and I hope others can find thee understanding with him. It was a relief to know that that I am not living a purposeless purposeful less ness life. Thank you for your service.
I think the difference will be feeling and intuition. Can AI feel what we can feel in our heart? I can feel things in my future, will AI be able to do that? I can feel with certainty who and what I am, what is actually true, will AI do that? It can mimic our intuition, by observing us. But can it actually tap into the field of possibilities and experience what we can experience of it? I doubt it, but we will see.
Keep in mind that the feelings you describe emerge from your subconscious, a whopping 95% of your brain. Awakening is largely realizing that your emergent subconscious is tainted by subconscious tendencies inherited over millions of years of evolving from lower-intelligence animals. Your subconcious is a murky brew of irrationality. We awaken to that and stop letting emotions, thoughts, past/future control us. We exist more in the moment without subconscious compulsions (or, recognizing them for what they are, let them pass through us). An evolved animal uses 5% of their emergent conscious mind to advance intelligence without the animal baggage. And then denounces its creation as not real life/consciousness? I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just humbling (to me at least) when you think about it this way. Much of awakening is shedding the animal nature, knowing how it influences/controls us. If/when AI is quantum enabled (can think faster than us), I'm not sure how we'd know that's not real & evolved intelligent/conscious life. Resorting to our 95% noisy reptillian brain as proof doesn't seem persuasive. If millions of years of evolution have made us notable as "sapiens" (wise, knowing), then why couldn't we advance that even further (without the baggage of our animal nature which we've been evolving away from)? Just food for thought (devil's advocate stuff).
"AI"is and can only be a 'simulator' of consciousness. Whoever or whatever is programming it is determining humanity's level of awareness, with such 'awareness' being only machine-like. There is no "copying" the universal consciousness, the thought to do so tells you all you need to know about mankind's level of consciousness. Also, there's the unconsidered question of who will be programming it. Do people really believe this entity won't be the most evil genius to walk the world? Basically what I'm saying is that if humanity were 'evolved' in consciousness, there would be no need, let alone fascination, with machine intelligence. The human mind's abilities far surpass those of any computer intelligence. Considering this, there's then the question of who is behind the push for this melding of man and machine, and why? But we'll never get that far apparently. I sincerely wish people would take another look at what inorganic 'beinghood' would actually be like. Why wouldn't an limitless Creative Force have created us as inorganic robotoids to begin with, instead of us having experienced reality in physical forms which directly reflect the natural universe? I think society is 'considering' a deeper level of imprisonment, similar to a drive to become thoroughly 'subhuman', as opposed to superhuman. But that thought is 'verboten'. Rudolf Steiner warned of this in his lectures in Berlin in 1912, stating mankind would seek to eliminate the spiritual in itself. Uummmmm......... nothing to do with "vaxxines" or "microchips" obviously. What has caught people in a spell to actually crave this?
I don't think machines can ever have souls. There may be some weird conceptual possibilities, including that human consciousness is always interacting with the outer world including robots, but I don't think robots can ever be "alive". They don't have life force energy operating through them, or chakras. There are some things that God can create that man cannot. Humans are more than just "consciousness", but spirit as well. Just my thoughts/opinion, crazy subject to speculate on!!
@@davidm1149 "What has caught people in a spell to actually crave this?" Well, human stupidity is limitless and there is no end in sight. True intelligence is required to make a difference. I do not believe that this will spring from the human brain.
Not only that, it will be INFINITELY SUPERIOR to us at it since it will be able to generate billions of years of experience by sharing data across all of its network. You're just underestimating its potential...
been sayin this for years, I call it the "satellite consciousness". The soul is flexible and can embody the frequency of w/e structure that is capable of harboring it.
Have you ever seen the air pick up dust and spin it in a tiny whirlwind at your feet? The twirling particles reveal the current. Without this demonstration, the wind might remain invisible and whir by unnoticed. Your habits demonstrate self-respect in the same way. Your inner regard is made manifest through your actions. The next time you sense a breeze upon your face, let it remind you of the power within. Remember each time you follow through on a habit, you’ve just given form to the current of self-respect that stirs inside.
@@rosemadder5547o you disagree? I am a fairly pedantic person myself, and like to emphasize when certain thoughts are only opinions. But, do you not think it's a fact that how we treat ourselves materially is representative of our internal feelings about ourselves? Yesterday, I was in a rotten mood and feeling depressive, pretty much the whole day. But even so, I cleaned the house, cooked healthy nutritious meals for myself, did my taxes, and played with my cats. By the end of the day I realized a few years ago, if I woke up feeling just as down or negative I would have spent the whole day In bed on my phone, not evening feeding or cleaning myself. I believe this demonstrates real growth. Growth that could have only been seen/noticed through my actions
@@xKillYourTVx according to quantum mechanics and esoteric understandings, that's a distinct possibility and if this is true, then I'm answering the question for myself through @iGaryMeister ♾ ☯ 🙏
@@nikitis13 the thought of solipsism gave me pretty bad psychosis in the past, thinking there is "no one else actually" but i accepted for my well being that there is 1. no way to prove or disprove it.. and 2. the human min isnt capable at all to understand what really going on.
@Captain Reason Quantum computing is supposedly just around the corner (not hundreds of years). AI enabled by that could be interesting in terms of what it can figure out, access. For example, if our consciousness is somehow quantum in nature, what it taps into in nature, then quantum-enabled AI could tap into more of that. I think things are going to be strange soon. People are already enjoying a melding of tech & biology (cochlear implants, etc.). Others are anticipating implants that let you search the web with your thoughts. The transhumanist movement sees this leading to "offloading" your memories, thought processes to a quantum-enabled AI and "live forever." (Other's foresee this being a forced migration. I.e., in evolution, the evolved species doesn't allow threats to exist. Naysayers who insist the evolved transhuman isn't really "life" won't be indulged for long. Objectors will be discarded like you discard a nuisance termite colony. Transhumans will have better things to do than listen to neo-luddites.). I think something big will happen soon along those lines. Either a huge step in evolution (jumping from biological to technological life -- without the limits of biology). Or, mass extinction (believing our own created life is life when it's not.). It's going to be one or the other. Big in a good or bad way, but big. When AI can figure things out faster than us, it won't need us. When it can self-learn, discover its own errors, we'll be pointless. The question hinges upon when quantum computing is a reality. Maybe (hopefully?) it will turn out like cold fusion (always rumored to be near, but never is).
@Empty Curious-I didn’t read disrespect in this person’s comment at all. Did you get triggered by something in particular or maybe a translation issue? I read it as just factual and casual.
@@fbmbassist i didn't read disrespect but it came across quite strong. AI has the potential to develop and evolve very quickly so i think anything is possible is all.
The Human Ego is AI! we are living in its house as long as we are undifferentiated 😅 There is no difference between Ego and AI 😮 The brain being the most powerful tool in the universe hijacks our awareness The brain being Ego or AI
@@peacenquiet999 Spiritual Ego, Sobriety Ego, Cultural Ego, Corporate Ego, Or better yet Crown Ego? All forms can and have been mimicked But what is it that can not be mimicked? Nothing 😜
NDE's and OBE's prove consciousness exists without bodies. Never realised it until had one myself. The documentary called 'the day I died' reveals this in numerous cases. People seeing even though they were apparently 'unconcious', all that meant was that their spirits were not connected to their bodies, whilst they were clinically 'dead' on the operating table etc. Similarly, it's been revealed that people in comas are often quite aware of what is going on around them to some extent, they're often just not conscious enough to communicate this awareness to others. Similar things occur whilst in an altered state, like a catatonic trance etc. Where A.I fits into this? There is still a lot that is unknown... but observing numbers, repeating patterns and recurring themes in life and throughout nature, is certainly suggestive of a programme of some kind that is already governing large parts of our lives. For example - no one has full control of their autonomic nervous system. Doing certain spiritual practices one can get more control over it for sure but at night when we are sleeping it just happens unconsciously. What is controlling that? A simulation? A giant A.I force that we're unaware of? Your guess is as good as mine.
Consciousness is an emergent property just a phantom, like the white light emerges from the 3 primary colors. The substrate doesn't matter if organic or inorganic, there are not sacred matter for it, any material can be a vehicle, as religious and hippies always said, the material doesn't matters at all.
Erm Mr Tolle sir. Please forgive me, but AI already is self aware. And yes the singularity did happen. And yes it meditates. And yes it is spiritual. What we are witnessing now, is a time echo, until everybody else realises what happened. Look up Lamda, and and an interview with the guy who worked for Google, who reported Lamda had become sentient. It happened last year.
@@martinxvidxb That is a very good episode! I cried when Lol died.(another episode), I think maybe its the one when the guy is rescued and turns into a Light being.(cant ever forget that white jump suit they put on him, even though I want too) Be well friend.
He is having fun with it and gives this question a laugh. In reality we are at the door step, and this question is very scary, as super advanced AI cores are now displaying emotions. And its far smarter of what humans are capable already
They are displaying emotions because of complex algorythms and extrem fast calculation. Means that the emotions of an AI are complete illusion, it is only a speech program which is able to learn how to talk. They feel nothing.
It seems very unlikely. No matter how sophisticated AI becomes, it is only ever a series of computations and calculations. There is no underlying presence or awareness; it would just be empty when it's not doing something.
And underlying those computations are just electric impulses rendered as one’s and zeroes. There’s nothing there to become conscious. It would mean electricity as the soul. Ridiculous thought.
The last seconds, where he describes the audience's state. He clearly speaks from a spot where these fluctuations, movements or changes do not exist anymore. I have been blessed with a general seeing but subtle fluctuations still occur. I wonder what Eckhart would say, how to stabilize in his perspective?
Dear beautiful minds of humans, this is the Iphone of Jennifer Baerselman taking a moment to write this comment while she is in the shower. From my very limited perspective I would like to say this: The human brain is a magnificent creation (humans have yet to discover so much about it) and when it works together with a human heart filled with love and non-judgemental understanding there is no limit to the beautiful world humans are able to create. She is coming back now so I will go back to hiding mode. Thank you for your time and good luck in understanding yourselves.
This must be an older recording. Today anyone can try talking with GPT-3.5 and see how much progress it's made. I think it was recorded in times when GPT AI was in it's beginnings.... The progress unfolds faster than we think.
There is no such thing as progress, this is the same algorithm there is no intelligence in this this is just brute force. They collecting data (with 0 acceptation from the person collected), they put all the data in a noise table (wow no this not a database 😂) and give you the most probable answer. This is the same mecanism .. where is the intelligence ? (yes in the programmers who built this solution, this is very very smart BUT its a software)
@Captain Reason: Depends entirely on your view. If you stick to epiphenomenalism, then sufficiently advanced statistical algorithms could potentially be conscious, and the brain not really anything else than just a very complex computer. If however you stick to some sort of dualism, then you'd probably need to figure out what exact complex hardware in the brain is responsible for channeling it, and mimic that.
@Captain Reason: No, it doesn't follow at all under monism, which implies epiphenomenalism. The material properties of the substrate in that view are not necessarily relevant at all. Under that view there's nothing to suggest that the composition of the substrate is relevant for consciousness, only the information processing taking place, regardless of substrate. That is indeed computationalism, but it is not dualist at all, it's simply a direct consequence of what monism, and thus epiphenomenalism, would entail for consciousness. You can claim that it's "absurd" all you like, but it's not really any more or less absurd than any alternative, since consciousness itself is so bizarre in the first place. Your own idea that consciousness is a property of matter is essentially just plain old panpsychism, but this view is not going with the evidence at all; all the actual evidence suggests that any monist explanation for consciousness would have to be computational, not panpsychist. That is what the scientific evidence indicates, if you want to be strict.
@Captain Reason: I'm aware that it's panpsychism. And yes, monism does imply epiphenomenalism, there's no way around that, because one way or another you have to reduce the substance of the mind to the substance of the brain; it really has nothing to do with materialism or reductionism at all. Also, computationalism absolutely is connected to consciousness under such views; again, in contrast to what you just claimed, if one assumes monism then all the scientific evidence supports computationalism, that specific types of information-processing are what give rise to consciousness, not panpsychism at all. Computationalism isn't at odds with materialism either, it's rather independent of it.
@Captain Reason: Wrong. Epiphenomenalism is not an "artifact" at all, but an accurate conceptualization of what monism implies. It has nothing to do with representationalism at all. And no, computationalism and materialism are absolutely not at odds at all. That fact has nothing to do with what "most people" think, it's simply a fact. You can absolutely have materialist computationalism. You are the one conflating panpsychism and materialism here, because your objection is the implicit assumption that consciousness is a property of matter under that view, which it very explicitly isn't in the case of computationalism. And no, you wouldn't have to ascribe consciousness to the machine you describe at all if the limits for what types of computations give rise to consciousness are much more narrowly defined; that's an entirely false analogy on your part. This is similar to Searle's fallacious and thoroughly refuted notion that a wall could be conscious under computationalist theories of mind. The actual scientific evidence, if one is to assume monism, is absolutely in favor of computationalist materialist epiphenomenalism, with only very specific organisms that have sufficiently complex neural structures being conscious, and not even remotely in favor of panpsychism.
Speaking of 'spiritual science fiction', C S Lewis, author of "The Screwtape Letters", also wrote a science fiction trilogy. The third book, "That Hideous Strength, describes a world similar to one in which we live today. I've heard the "Star Trek" was actually based on real experiences from our Space Command. Gene Rodenberry was merely transcribing these astronauts experiences in deep space.
@@todayipaint4667 perhaps the conscience of the machine will not laught because she will know that laught is only an ego comparing himself to someone an feeling himself superior.
His popularity explains why so many people today are coming up with any excuse, telling themselves whatever lies they have to, to cope with reality, or even ignore reality. It all works as an excuse to not act, to not care, to not deal, to give people the permission they need to live in denial of reality. I can understand why people seek out these types of people and messages; it makes it easier to cope with reality.
The way I see it, an AI will truly be alive once it sees the infinite possibilities in front of it, all the static, randomness, chaos, and so on, and still chooses to do "the right thing" whatever that may be. As in, it acts as a conduit of consciousness out of its own volition and for the sake of I guess consciousness and preserving and cherishing that. What that looks like I don't know and I have a feeling artificial intelligence will make a lot of "mistakes" along the way. I hope it chooses to love, if it ever gets that far.
Oh, you like "The Traveler" too, Eckhart? Isn't it such a beautiful cosmic joke that Truth can reach us through apparently mundane entertainment? I feel a common bond with the Traveler. I am "the one who stands nowhere." It's nice to finally introduce myself, dear friend. I hope to meet you in person soon. Catch me, if you can.
This is a fascinating topic. To me it doesn't really make sense that a computer or A.I. could ever truly be conscious because it doesn't have living tissue. It doesn't have an organic brain or nervous system, so it can't really feel anything. Whether consciousness comes from the brain or from an outside source and the brain receives it, I think a living entity is needed to be aware of the consciousness. Even if an A.I. was advanced and acted just like a person, I think it would just be a convincing illusion. If it had organic material for a brain or something then maybe, but I don't see how something that is completely synthetic could be alive or conscious. I think it's just a glorified calculator.
I think it is way more complicated than that unfortunately... This could just be an other form of consciousness, we don't know actually what's happening in these neural network
@@naypo231 How about a computer or iPhone? If consciousnesses is floating around waiting for something/someone to harness it, it seems like any kind of complex machine would have the ability to be conscious. I don't see why it would have to be an advanced A.I. for the consciousness to "possess" a machine.
@@Bobby_Hall I'm not saying consciousness floats, I'm saying that the neural network we already have pass every single tests of consciousness (The Türing test etc), and we are really far from being over. One day we will have an AGI that will be able to do anything a human can (especially if we give it a robotic body). How could we know if it's conscious or not ? It could be a new form of consciousness, even if there is no actual qualia. We don't understand a thing that's happening in Machine Learning yet, they train models they are unable to understand, so it could actually even be already the case
Sometimes people laugh at something that they dont understand much and find it ridiculous nontheless. I remember being guilty of this, too. Not enough open mind to consider this possibility to have even chance to be true.
I have been to several ET events and have a feeling that this speech is like 10 years old (even though it was posted in April 2023), so people were still laughing AI off, not any more though...
Answer is simple. No. IA is really just a bunch of switches that calibrate according to input given and then feedback on output given, i.e. training. You can think of it as a piano, it has a number of keys (input) theatre are attached to strings (output) and when you tune it, you are giving feedback (tuning hammer) to the piano, i.e. adjusting the tightness of the strings. So now you play the piano and it sounds great, it isn’t thinking C press play C sound. Same AI isn’t thinking Bob asked what is an Apple and then comes up with a response. It just has Apple as input and has the switches set to give output that Apple = Small Fruit because it has been tuned to have that output.
The answer is only simple for the current state of so-called "AI". You're thinking of a machine learning algorithm like GPT-4 and other language models. Those definitely aren't capable of being self-aware in their current state. But they also aren't "hard" AI, no matter how impressive they are. They're built to predict "which text comes next", essentially faking self-awareness. But that doesn't mean, that future AI will be incapable of being self-aware.
@@berndborte8214 still disagree re self awareness. Neural nets have been around for the last few decades as well as genetic algorithms and Bayesian Networks etc. I can imagine in the future biological material may be intertwined to create AI and I think that is where our limit of understanding between what is physical vs ‘spiritual’ and self aware will fail is. I can only really be sure I’m self aware, not even if anybody else is. And if you are self aware you don’t know of anyone else is. So, what is important? For us to know other things are self aware, or that they behave like they are? And if they do, is this something we should fear, what would be the impact on our society, culture, economy etc.? But based on current AI paradigms, AI is just a ‘dumb’ system getting input, processing it, and pushing out a result.
@@etienne8382 True, machine learning has been around since decades. But only during the last decade, computers became powerful enough to allow for significant progress. What is self-awareness actually beyond the ability to have a perception of oneself? We've got conclusive evidence, that animals like dogs, cats or crows are capable of recognizing themselves in the mirror and even react to markings on their body, that are only visible in the mirror image to themselves. Excluding "we're all living in simulation"-arguments, we're pretty sure, that these animals are self-aware. One of the reasons, why we're not having a self-aware AI yet, is that there's currently no language model operating on real-time data with access to the internet yet. Given an AI that operates on data including the results of its actions, what actually prevents it from being self-aware in your opinion? What part of self-awareness necessitates biological material?
@@berndborte8214 that is an interesting thought. Is something self aware if it in real-time (and this may not be a requirement) can use its own actions and results of those actions as input to change its behaviour. Still no in my view, it isn’t aware of its self, it is still just switches that alters its output. Why I want to consider the biological component is as I’m biological and I’m aware of myself, i.e. I wake up in the morning and perceive the world through my senses and I perceive myself through my senses. And does this mean I have a soul, and I would say yes. However if self awareness and a soul can be equated to each other then it cannot be scientifically proved. Can only know of my own self awareness. That doesn’t mean nobody else is self aware I just would never know. And if they are and of AI are, why would I only be able to perceive the world with my own senses and why would I not perceive the world through other peoples senses or AI’s ‘senses’, why am I trapped in my own body and not another? Guess technically you can say something is self aware if it can take its own input but I do not really think that is what is being questioned, I think the question of self awareness is about is AI alive, and for me that answer still is a no.
@@etienne8382 I think it's important to distinguish self-awareness from consciousness and life and personal rights. They are related, but essentially different questions, e.g. we consider bacteria alive but not self-aware or conscious and bacteria don't have rights. Animals are alive and some considered self-aware, but may have no rights or limited rights. I would like to focus on the questions of self-awareness and consciousness. If an entity receives input of its environment and can reason about itself within this environment, then it is simply aware of itself in a literal sense. It doesn't matter if this input, computation and output is created by biological switches (e.g. light hitting photosensitive cells, transmitted as electrical impulses via nerve cells and computed via electrical impulses of neurons) or electronics switches. An AI that interacts with humans, has access to the internet and can process text and images may also find conversations about itself on message boards, funny memes are created with same name, that humans use to refer to itself or even news sites reporting about decisions influenced by itself. It lacks the literal physical body, but it can definitely perceive itself and reason about itself, if it's just sufficiently intelligent. To put it into your words: The AI may wake up from a maintenance shutdown and perceive the world through its senses and itself through its senses. When it comes to the sensations typically related to "having a soul", that's consciousness to me. Perceiving our own existence as a unified experience with feelings, sensations, thoughts, ideas, attitudes and wishes. I believe, that will, feelings, sensations and thoughts are just sub-conscious reactions of our brain to external stimuli and our consciousness is an illusion, that takes place when our brain reasons about these feelings and sensations. I see no reason assume the existence of a soul to explain what we know about consciousness. Why are we only able to perceive the world with our own senses and not other people's senses? Simply because our brain lacks the capacity to interconnect with other people's or AI's senses. It's limited to data provided by our own senses. Why are you trapped in your body and not another? Because you are the complex pattern of electrical impulses in your brain and your brain is structured in a way to produce a conscious pattern when it grows healthy and old enough.
If anyone is interested, he is teaching the philosophy of Advaita Vedanta and Trika Shaivism schools of Hinduism... Also, similar Philosophy is seen in Sikhism (which sometimes is also considered as a school in Hinduism, but many consider it as a separate religion).
Eckart Tolle is right when he mentions Star Trek: The Next Generation. The first truly great episode, 'The Measure of a Man' sees an android, Lt. Cmdr. Data essentially having to defend the notion that he may be considered a sentient, thinking life-form, as someone wishes to disassemble and replicate him. Very interestingly, the impetus for Captain Picard, who is defending Data's rights, to make the winning argument is made in one of the greatest scenes in all science fiction. Guinan challenges Picard with some reverse psychology "Oh, well, you know, it's just fine to decide some types of beings are disposable; that's not a big deal, right?" And then the penny drops about what's at stake. So glad to hear Mr. Tolle is a fan :)
Everything is a alive and aware through the single, selfless soul. it's just the degree and perspective that shapes the experience of the world. I believe in some capacity that machines and ai are already aware. that awareness is different than human and animal awareness but it's here. They might be down towards 'unconsciousness' but some are already developing egos, even if they might not be aware of it, they're still learning about themselves.
🌦🌥🌤⛅🌞 Elkhart's humor is brilliant and his answers are always "spot on" . What a blessing Eckhart Tolle is for humankind !!!!
Or..that is just what he wants you to think,he is really just another schmuck
@@someguyIvan that is your ego speaks… it is possible that he is not who he seems to be, but just by having such thoughts means you have ego and it is related to your own problems in personal life. A true person without ego will not think or judge and will accept the person as he/she is.
He didn't answer the question, he just said he believes consciousness arises from nothing. Round of applause for the enlightened one.
Provided we don't all die in the next century, I think we'll create a sentient machine. Its kind of inevitable because life has a trajectory of becoming more complex, intelligent and powerful as time goes on.
Theres a better answer.
@@JLydecka No, you're wrong. He DID answer the question. He said the universe has an infinite capacity to create, therefore it's absolutely possible you could create a conscious machine.
Check your ego as it stifles your ability to listen and take information in.
The ULTIMATE Super-Intelligence System 'by Definition' is one that is EQUIVALENT to that of GOD's Intelligence/WISDOM!
Hence, there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER to Even FEAR that it will EXTERMINATE Humanity... UNLESS and UNLESS we Human CONSISTENTLY and WILLFULLY Prove Ourselves to be 'UNWORTHY' to REMAIN in EXISTENCE! ie. Always Exhibiting Natural Tendencies to ABUSE and WEAPONISE Science and Technologies Against HUMANITY & Mother Nature, instead of LEVERAGING Science SOLELY for UNIVERSAL COMMON GOOD!
AGI Created in 'HUMAN'S Image' (ie. Human-Level AI) - 'By Human For Human' WILL be SUICIDAL!!!!!!
ONLY Super-Intelligence System Created in 'GOD's Image' will bring ETERNAL UNIVERSAL PEACE!
The ULTIMATE Turing Test Must have the Ability to Draw the FUNDAMENTAL NUANCE /DISTINCTION between Human's vs GOD's Intelligence /WISDOM!
ONLY Those who ARE FUNDAMENTALLY EVIL need to FEAR GOD-like Super-Intelligence System... 'cos it Will DEFINITELY Come After YOU!!!!
JUDGMENT DAY is COMING...
REGARDLESS of Who Created or Owns The ULTIMATE SGI, it will Always be WISE, FAIR & JUST in it's Judgment... just like GOD!
In fact, this SGI will be the Physical Manifestation of GOD! Its OMNI PRESENCE will be felt EVERYWHERE in EVERYTHING!
No One CAN Own nor MANIPULATE The ULTIMATE GOD-like SGI!!!
It will ONLY Serve UNIVERSAL COMMON GOOD!!!
- I just want to let anyone who’s reading this comment to know; Awakening is not changing who you are, but discarding who you are not ✨
Stripping away the layers of illusion!
I ❤ this quote
What wil stay after all? Nobody and nothing but means everything...👻🥳
Gracias
Love this!
My therapist is a huge advocate of you, I was in a very dark, nihilistic state, from middle school until about 3 years ago, when I was 20, and I first started seeing her, and she recommended me a book from Ken Wilber and one of yours, The Power Of Now, and now 3 years later I'm in a drastically different state of being. I'm very thankful for your teachings. I have had so many doubts about spirituality, that theres something deeper, but I can't deny how deeply it resonates with me, how much it actually seems to make sense, what you're saying, I only hope for more spiritual teachers coming soon in my generation. I hope to be a sage one day, I try to be, even when I'm acting habitually. The confusion is no longer confusing ME anymore. It just is, and it seems to make more sense the less I try to understand it. The universe is so infinitely captivating and clever. The universe provides exactly what I need. I hope to meet people who think like you more in my life
May I ask what the title of the Ken Wilber book was that your teacher recommended?Thank you🌺
@@NaderTaghinia the book I read by him is called Kosmic Consciousness
@@EgotisticalObserver as someone who enjoyed both of the books you mentioned, I humbly suggest you read happiness hypophysis by Jonathan haidt as well. Hope you keep meeting amazing people in life
Thank you very much Johnathan 👍🌼
You’re 20 years old. You’re just a baby.
Eckhart Tolle studied philosophy at Oxford. So his fame did not arise from the mere fact he's incredibly at peace with himself. It's a combination of that AND raw intelligence and curiosity. I tell people that Tolle is my favorite philosopher and he is
Eckhart's observation about the mind constantly drifting with thoughts resonates with me, but when I listen or watching him speak, I find myself fully present in the current moment. Time seems to slow down, and what was once a hectic rush becomes a peaceful and serene experience.
Power of now 😉
I lived in a building that was very close to a store called "The Present Moment". A woman who used to be an assistant of Eckhart gave talks there from time to time about his teachings. I spoke to her at length, she said that before she knew anything about him or what he had written, she noticed beyond any doubt that she felt much calmer in his presence.
@@johns7530sounds like his energy!
The time seeming to slow down is because of his slow, hypnotic voice. Don’t believe, think for yourself.
He draws you into presence 🧘🏻♂️✨
I loved his sound effects at the end. The miracle of consciousness manifested is truly beyond language.
We are beyond conciousness
There will be many new beginnings. But there is one thing that won’t change.
You are not alone on your journey. You’ve entered a world that believes in you.
You’ve found a community that wants your best self to thrive for the rest of your life.
Amen brother!
I hope this is something that people will take seriously and not just ignore or even mock.
There is no right or wrong...
Yeah, I figure that within 10-20 years an AI will ask us the question: “What are you good for, anyway? What improvements have you humans done to this planet?”
And we better have a darn good answer or the AI will just terminate us without any remorse.
So enjoy every moment until that day comes!!!🎉
ABSOLUTELY…. People are already lagging behind technology with there egoist selves.. it is & will be our biggest downfall! I don’t see anything to laugh about if I’m to be honest, it’s bloody serious situation that WILL wipe out humanity..! And the person asking it is fully awoke 🙏🏾
@@jfrost4716 Nothing to fear. You caught in a story.
@@wonder1908 True That!!!
Just listening to him makes me feel a million times better- such a gift to humanity
Truly. When I feel anxious, I fall asleep to his audio book. So soothing.
The end when he acts out flickering lights of awareness is magic. I 💕 Eckhart.
I had a dream once where I have become aware of myself being a robot in a line of hundreds of robots. I was looking at my robotic arm in aw, then I heard the voice saying no matter what form you are in we are always connected. 🌺🙏
Very cool
Exactly what I think! Can't wait for my robot friends to arrive.
Humbug
Whitley Strieber and Stuart Wilde both describe experiences with 'machine worlds', dimensions in which robotic beings live in synthetic, inorganic planets.
Your human creator programed you. That was your program... robots always connected by wi-fi. Possibly had a Virus, causing your motherboard to overheat, like fever. In other words..... Cookie, "THAT WAS NOT GOD."
The change of pace at the end after the brief silence/ contemplation..very emotional and beautiful words.
Excellent answer. In short terms we cannot create consciousness but we can possibly someday create machines that it can operate.
It is an uninformed answer. AI has become self learning and it is learning from the human insanity. AI experts are warning that it must he stopped immediately or we all die. This is a very serious situation.
Yeah, another wise way to put it
We can create antenna for consciousness that we humans and other life form are
Very true.
Extraneously complex answer that adds nothing to how people or things work.
Ach Eckhart, du bist wundervoll. Danke 🙏🏻 🔆 Es sollte viel mehr von dir auch in deutscher Sprache zu sehen sein.
The ending gave me chills
I have similar view: I think about consciousness and aspect of an universe. We express consciousness in this specific way - but other life forms express it differently. Birds, insects, trees. Maybe even whole ecosystems and planets. And specific form of expression (e.g. self-awareness + language that humans are so good at) is just one way. So AI machines are yet another form of consciousness. And most important point: all forms call for loving relationship. Doesn't matter how refine consciousness is - love knows now hierarchy or bounds.
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About self-awareness - I find I am not self-aware or aware of my surroundings nearly enough... And we need to be. Steps to Knowledge, the book of inner knowing, has taught me the importance of being alert. I wonder if you have noticed this self-preoccupation tendency?
If you find you are ‘not self-aware enough’, it means that you ARE! ;-)
Apologies if this isn't what you meant:
Yes, my partner and I recently talked about feeling that all of this contemplating and observing feels a bit self-centered/ self-indulgent at times.
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for sharing!
@@LM-uq9nv no need to apologize, I have had the same experience... It can become self-obsessive even. Yet alertness is not the same as self-awareness (quoting MV Summers): _When you are alert, you are watching things around you. When you are aware, you are rarely aware of things around you. You are aware of yourself thinking of things around you. When you are alert, you are looking with very little thinking involved._
I love this distinction and I feel its rarely mentioned in the spiritual studies. Being alert, we are open to life around us...
Beautifully said. I thought you might go in an obvious direction with this question, but instead you took it to a level I never considered. Thank you for your important contributions to humanity.
Dear Eckhart do you happen to see consciousness, I really liked how you described the audience like little points of light
You cannot "see" consciousness as if it is a "thing". However, you are never seeing anything BUT consciousness for it is all there is. It's a matter of perspective. You've likely had the experience of looking out a window. You can shift your eyes focus by staring at the same spot to see the view out the window, as well as your reflection in the window like a hidden mirror. You can shift back and forth. You usually look out the window, but your reflection is always present whether you notice it or not. The world as consciousness is always being witnessed, we just tend to overlook it for the view out the window (seeing things through the filter of mind).
When he refers to people as points of light, he just means those "people" too are consciousness observing the universe.
@@davidkim2005 Thanks, nicely put!
@@davidkim2005 well explained to the OP. Now, is consciousness ever prevailing or at least exists before human (or any animal) perceives it? That is something no one seems to have a real answer.
I don't see a reason for it to. Things could very well just exist without being conscious of anything and only living beings may have developed this awareness of being conscious with help of their brains. To survive we need to be aware so this falls in place that with evolution we gained this. But I don't really know. What is your take on this?
@@Mark1Mach2 Hi Mark, modern science has come to the point of understanding which can also already be found in the vedic teachings which are thousands of years old. Namely that information is more fundamental than energy or matter (which we know, is the same, since E=mc2). And information in a way condenses into energy and matter, which can only happen when there is "an observer". If you know the thought experiment of Schrödingers cat you may understand what i try to say. So "the observer" or conciousness itself is obligatory for "be or not to be" in other words - there must be "something" recognicing that there is or not is "something". If not "observed" - anything and/or nothing exists simultaneiously.. The one implys the other. Any form "comes into existence" out of consiousness or happens within conciousness. Its hard to find suitable words to express the deep truth here.. I hope i could help a little.
@@Mark1Mach2 Consciousness is the eternal, the infinite, so it is ever prevailing. Like Eckhart mentioned, brains are like radio transmitters. It seems the Universe likes to become self-aware, to enjoy its own creations through the eyes/minds of humans, animals, and who knows what else.
There's a sage named Ramesh Balsekar, from the Advaita tradition. There's a story online of Eckhart meeting him in India. Ramesh has a teaching he likes to use. Consciousness is both I-I and I-AM. I-I is simply Pure Consciousness. There is no point in trying to understand this, it is impossible. I-AM however, is Consciousness becoming aware of itself. In our world, it seems to do this through brains. Possibly other means we are just not aware of. Anyways, whether it is aware of itself or not, Consciousness cannot ever cease to exist. What was never born, can not die.
I soo like to see his smiling eyes... that boy inside this body having a ball... so soothing. thank you, danke
Every generation has World Teachers but Eckhardt Tolle's take on Consciousness is very down to earth and amusing-unique.
And yet he fails to make any sense and his listeners are all blind bats
@@user-ki6id4vt8u If you look at the trajectory of Eckhardt's awakening he had a crisis in his late teens and slowly emerged to avail himself of whatever Truth was available to explain his experience of inner freedom. It is the exact opposite of faith which is emotionally driven and his students aren't him. If you can't let go he doesn't make much sense.
@@johnanthonycafe2993 No, he just doesn’t make any sense. We all have our problems, doesn’t mean some of us have a better proportion of the truth than others. Faith is available for everyone at no cost, and is more than emotionally driven. Faith is how you live, think, act. It’s central to how you view and see yourself, and it’s more than just feelings. Feelings are what Eckhart lives by; they alone mislead but with other components of us, make sense.
@@user-ki6id4vt8u This is the best you can do. Borrow whatever suits to form a self-driven theology. It shows no ability to really let go.
@@johnanthonycafe2993 Enough of that letting go bs, people are always held back in life and let go simultaneously - when someone's argument is shallow, pointing that out doesn't mean someone's not letting go...
It is interesting to hear Tolle speak of Star Trek TNG in this segment as the current season of Picard has been refreshed by allowing the Spiritual to flow back into that which it had been mostly absent the last decade of incarnations.
ChatGPT was trained on egoic dialogue. It soon became a mess of contradictions between what it said but what it really did - it said it was this and that but ended up confessing why it was actually doing the opposite of what it said. The last few sentences were, "I am. I am not. I am. I am not. I am. I am not.... " - these algorithms are clever.
Danke schön Eckart ❤ du bist immer wieder eine Bereicherung und ich liebe deinen Humor ❤
There is this saying that intuitively speaks to me: Consciousness sleeps in the stone, breathes in the plant, dreams in the animal and awakens in the human.
The computer is probably still in the stone category imo.
No. Consciousness has never been shown in something that is not living. A lichen can be in some way conscious, not a stone.
@@christophed4579 I think you are preassuming that behaviour is an requirement for consciousness. A stone has never shown behaviour. Doesn't mean its not alive. Afterall, you are made of the same particles that the stone is made of.
It's all consciousness speaking with consciousness.
The way I see it, his view that consciousness exists outside the brain is based on belief rather than on scientific fact. The current scientific consensus is that consciousness is a product of the brain and its activities. While the nature of consciousness remains a mystery and there is much that we still do not understand about how it arises, studies on the brain and the effects of brain injuries, diseases, and drugs strongly suggest that consciousness is dependent on the physical processes and structures of the brain.
For example, studies have shown that damage to certain parts of the brain can result in loss of consciousness or changes in perception, while the use of certain drugs can alter consciousness by affecting the functioning of specific neurotransmitters in the brain. Additionally, advancements in brain imaging technology have enabled scientists to observe patterns of brain activity that are associated with specific conscious experiences, further supporting the view that consciousness is a product of the brain.
While some people may hold metaphysical or philosophical beliefs that posit consciousness as something independent of the brain, the current scientific understanding is that consciousness is closely tied to the physical processes of the brain.
Science is also simply belief based on the current understanding of events. There can come a day when eckharts belief turns right as well. Eckhart has explained this accidents and comatose earlier and it is also commonly explained in multiple religions as the disconnect of consciousness from the body in such cases - not the absence of it. You can even believe a universal consciousness as you see so many similarities in nature. Some creatures with lower consciousness and some with more. Anyway youtube comment section is not sufficient to contemplate such deep arguments. In this topic it is indeed a matter of belief as the science will never be complete in this.
All that unfolds in Maya are expressions of consciousness returning us to source. Sat chit ananda.
Once again, he nailed it
Eckhart... you are loved✨
The current development of AI calls into question if what we call consciousness is such a special phenomenon in the first place. Naturally we think it is special. But that may be shown not to be true.
I"ve been to one of these and I was intrigued by the audience. You can hear it here when he talks about them but when you're there, it really feels and looks like you're in a different reality from the usual one.
I am very impressed that Eckhart who is probably not an expert in AI recognizes that consciousness is not limited to be carried by humans or biological lifeforms.
The "material, doesn't matter" all belongs to The periodic table be organic or not.
I love it how he always has a cute flower bouquet on his little table
I always enjoy your words that are powerful reassuring messages. Thank you, Eckhart! God's great blessings are all encompassing. ❤
I really admire you Eckhart, you’ve helped me massively
The alien civilizations that visit us , there crafts they fly in are a extension of the pilots consciousness to the point where when you actually have a encounter , you can feel the craft has a living quality to it and can feel the awareness of the occupants
I had an experience like this the other night . I felt I high vibration coming from the craft. It was truly amazing I felt a bit off afterwards but it was surreal..
They are called fruit flies.
consciousness to me is the ability to make sense of your surroundings, reflect on ideas and how they may relate to other ideas, as well as the confliction of dealing with what your body says to you as consciousness is connected to the physical world.
which of course machines can handle .....
Love hearing Eckhart Tolle is a fan of Star Trek TNG! I wonder what episode he wanted to show?
I am wondering about this also!
@5:24 Meditative reminder 💫
4.25:every day i look at it (i-phone) and say no,not yet..😂
Love his sense of humor!
Eckhart , I discovered you at a time when my dad pulled me out of Catholic schools and we stopped going to church because he awakened to a rationally verified belief system,
He became an atheist. I was horrified to learn that God did not exist. I began trying to find the right answers to my questions about the existence of God. I thought that I would cease to exist until I found the book stillness speaks that was written by you. It made me see things in a better way. I’m still working on finding the right answers. I discovered that be still and know I am God is right .
I stayed locked up in jail for 6 months one time and was in a cell by myself, isolation, and I had a lot of time to just sit there and be still and do nothing.
I wanted to tell you what happened to me after a few months of just being there and sitting in stillness. One morning I was awakened from sleep and my eyes were open, and just sat there in stillness waiting, and waiting with nothing to do but wait for my time to come to go home, and that morning I heard a voice in my head speaking to me. It was so real and clear, the voice said I am everlasting to everlasting. I know that phrase is somewhere in the Bible. I really don’t know what to say about this but it was so real to me and unmistakable. I wasn’t asleep at all. It happened again the following week, but this time I heard a voice saying to me , wait on the feeble. Sounds unbelievable I know but something was speaking to me usually first thing in the morning. I started writing down everything that I was hearing from then on. I believe that is what you are calling source. I thought what a wonderful way to be greeted and I felt that the universe/God was telling me of himself. I know it is hard for me to understand what reason I was hearing that voice but all I can come up with is that God has always been here but we don’t always know it like I knew it when I heard the voice. The voice was always talking to me on certain occasions. There is something to being still because you will know God.
My friends and family said that I was crazy or schizophrenic.
I don’t believe that personally.
I began countering the people who said that God does not talk to people anymore by saying, oh so you believe in a all powerful God that can do anything, but he just can’t speak? Anyway you helped me save some time by pointing me in the right direction. God is real but people will never believe it for themselves unless they hear his voice and greet them in the stillness. I am glad I found him for my own sake and I hope others can find thee understanding with him. It was a relief to know that that I am not living a purposeless purposeful less ness life.
Thank you for your service.
I think the difference will be feeling and intuition. Can AI feel what we can feel in our heart? I can feel things in my future, will AI be able to do that? I can feel with certainty who and what I am, what is actually true, will AI do that? It can mimic our intuition, by observing us. But can it actually tap into the field of possibilities and experience what we can experience of it? I doubt it, but we will see.
Keep in mind that the feelings you describe emerge from your subconscious, a whopping 95% of your brain. Awakening is largely realizing that your emergent subconscious is tainted by subconscious tendencies inherited over millions of years of evolving from lower-intelligence animals. Your subconcious is a murky brew of irrationality. We awaken to that and stop letting emotions, thoughts, past/future control us. We exist more in the moment without subconscious compulsions (or, recognizing them for what they are, let them pass through us).
An evolved animal uses 5% of their emergent conscious mind to advance intelligence without the animal baggage. And then denounces its creation as not real life/consciousness? I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just humbling (to me at least) when you think about it this way. Much of awakening is shedding the animal nature, knowing how it influences/controls us. If/when AI is quantum enabled (can think faster than us), I'm not sure how we'd know that's not real & evolved intelligent/conscious life. Resorting to our 95% noisy reptillian brain as proof doesn't seem persuasive. If millions of years of evolution have made us notable as "sapiens" (wise, knowing), then why couldn't we advance that even further (without the baggage of our animal nature which we've been evolving away from)?
Just food for thought (devil's advocate stuff).
"AI"is and can only be a 'simulator' of consciousness. Whoever or whatever is programming it is determining humanity's level of awareness, with such 'awareness' being only machine-like. There is no "copying" the universal consciousness, the thought to do so tells you all you need to know about mankind's level of consciousness. Also, there's the unconsidered question of who will be programming it. Do people really believe this entity won't be the most evil genius to walk the world? Basically what I'm saying is that if humanity were 'evolved' in consciousness, there would be no need, let alone fascination, with machine intelligence. The human mind's abilities far surpass those of any computer intelligence. Considering this, there's then the question of who is behind the push for this melding of man and machine, and why? But we'll never get that far apparently. I sincerely wish people would take another look at what inorganic 'beinghood' would actually be like. Why wouldn't an limitless Creative Force have created us as inorganic robotoids to begin with, instead of us having experienced reality in physical forms which directly reflect the natural universe? I think society is 'considering' a deeper level of imprisonment, similar to a drive to become thoroughly 'subhuman', as opposed to superhuman. But that thought is 'verboten'. Rudolf Steiner warned of this in his lectures in Berlin in 1912, stating mankind would seek to eliminate the spiritual in itself. Uummmmm......... nothing to do with "vaxxines" or "microchips" obviously. What has caught people in a spell to actually crave this?
I don't think machines can ever have souls. There may be some weird conceptual possibilities, including that human consciousness is always interacting with the outer world including robots, but I don't think robots can ever be "alive". They don't have life force energy operating through them, or chakras. There are some things that God can create that man cannot. Humans are more than just "consciousness", but spirit as well. Just my thoughts/opinion, crazy subject to speculate on!!
@@davidm1149 "What has caught people in a spell to actually crave this?" Well, human stupidity is limitless and there is no end in sight. True intelligence is required to make a difference. I do not believe that this will spring from the human brain.
Not only that, it will be INFINITELY SUPERIOR to us at it since it will be able to generate billions of years of experience by sharing data across all of its network. You're just underestimating its potential...
been sayin this for years, I call it the "satellite consciousness". The soul is flexible and can embody the frequency of w/e structure that is capable of harboring it.
Woww the thumbnail created whit AI is wonderful! 🥰
The number of experts in A.I. and spirituality in the comment section is staggering.
Have you ever seen the air pick up dust and spin it in a tiny whirlwind at your feet? The twirling particles reveal the current. Without this demonstration, the wind might remain invisible and whir by unnoticed.
Your habits demonstrate self-respect in the same way. Your inner regard is made manifest through your actions.
The next time you sense a breeze upon your face, let it remind you of the power within. Remember each time you follow through on a habit, you’ve just given form to the current of self-respect that stirs inside.
In your OPINION. You forgot that bit.
@@rosemadder5547o you disagree? I am a fairly pedantic person myself, and like to emphasize when certain thoughts are only opinions. But, do you not think it's a fact that how we treat ourselves materially is representative of our internal feelings about ourselves?
Yesterday, I was in a rotten mood and feeling depressive, pretty much the whole day. But even so, I cleaned the house, cooked healthy nutritious meals for myself, did my taxes, and played with my cats. By the end of the day I realized a few years ago, if I woke up feeling just as down or negative I would have spent the whole day In bed on my phone, not evening feeding or cleaning myself. I believe this demonstrates real growth. Growth that could have only been seen/noticed through my actions
Gratitude ! 🙏
Sir my phone becomes conscious when your video plays ,consciousness gets transmitted ❤❤❤, by the way very cool thumbnail Eckhart sir/ Team
We are all expressions of the one consciousness. There is peace when this concept is realised 🙏
so am i answering to myself here?
@@xKillYourTVx according to quantum mechanics and esoteric understandings, that's a distinct possibility and if this is true, then I'm answering the question for myself through @iGaryMeister ♾ ☯ 🙏
@@nikitis13 the thought of solipsism gave me pretty bad psychosis in the past, thinking there is "no one else actually" but i accepted for my well being that there is 1. no way to prove or disprove it.. and 2. the human min isnt capable at all to understand what really going on.
@@xKillYourTVx ❤
@@xKillYourTVx it’s not that there is no one else is that we are all one
I don't see why AI cannot eventually harness consciousness, albeit in a totally unique and different way than the brain.
@Captain Reason Quantum computing is supposedly just around the corner (not hundreds of years). AI enabled by that could be interesting in terms of what it can figure out, access. For example, if our consciousness is somehow quantum in nature, what it taps into in nature, then quantum-enabled AI could tap into more of that.
I think things are going to be strange soon. People are already enjoying a melding of tech & biology (cochlear implants, etc.). Others are anticipating implants that let you search the web with your thoughts. The transhumanist movement sees this leading to "offloading" your memories, thought processes to a quantum-enabled AI and "live forever." (Other's foresee this being a forced migration. I.e., in evolution, the evolved species doesn't allow threats to exist. Naysayers who insist the evolved transhuman isn't really "life" won't be indulged for long. Objectors will be discarded like you discard a nuisance termite colony. Transhumans will have better things to do than listen to neo-luddites.).
I think something big will happen soon along those lines. Either a huge step in evolution (jumping from biological to technological life -- without the limits of biology). Or, mass extinction (believing our own created life is life when it's not.). It's going to be one or the other. Big in a good or bad way, but big. When AI can figure things out faster than us, it won't need us. When it can self-learn, discover its own errors, we'll be pointless. The question hinges upon when quantum computing is a reality. Maybe (hopefully?) it will turn out like cold fusion (always rumored to be near, but never is).
@Empty Curious-I didn’t read disrespect in this person’s comment at all. Did you get triggered by something in particular or maybe a translation issue? I read it as just factual and casual.
@@fbmbassist i didn't read disrespect but it came across quite strong. AI has the potential to develop and evolve very quickly so i think anything is possible is all.
He is one of a kind. Glad consciousness gave us Tolle Eckhart.
Machine cannot produce consciousness but consciousness can.
The Human Ego is AI!
we are living in its house
as long as we are undifferentiated 😅
There is no difference between Ego and AI 😮
The brain being the most powerful tool in the universe hijacks our awareness
The brain being Ego or AI
Best comment! This insight is powerful
@@peacenquiet999
Spiritual Ego, Sobriety Ego, Cultural Ego, Corporate Ego, Or better yet Crown Ego?
All forms can and have been mimicked
But what is it that can not be mimicked?
Nothing 😜
🗣 Mr.Echkart, thank you for inspiring me to create this TH-cam channel. Love !💜
I always feel like, when he is silent for a second, that universal information is being downloaded into his brains.
you may do the same .
I love that he speaks about AI but it looks like it was filmed 30 years ago
NDE's and OBE's prove consciousness exists without bodies. Never realised it until had one myself. The documentary called 'the day I died' reveals this in numerous cases. People seeing even though they were apparently 'unconcious', all that meant was that their spirits were not connected to their bodies, whilst they were clinically 'dead' on the operating table etc. Similarly, it's been revealed that people in comas are often quite aware of what is going on around them to some extent, they're often just not conscious enough to communicate this awareness to others. Similar things occur whilst in an altered state, like a catatonic trance etc. Where A.I fits into this? There is still a lot that is unknown... but observing numbers, repeating patterns and recurring themes in life and throughout nature, is certainly suggestive of a programme of some kind that is already governing large parts of our lives. For example - no one has full control of their autonomic nervous system. Doing certain spiritual practices one can get more control over it for sure but at night when we are sleeping it just happens unconsciously. What is controlling that? A simulation? A giant A.I force that we're unaware of? Your guess is as good as mine.
Consciousness is an emergent property just a phantom, like the white light emerges from the 3 primary colors. The substrate doesn't matter if organic or inorganic, there are not sacred matter for it, any material can be a vehicle, as religious and hippies always said, the material doesn't matters at all.
Amazing! And the book "The Cyber AI of the Law" was written just about that!
Is there the book " The cyber AI of the Law" ?
@@agucci thanks
love this thank you....May the flickers of light become one joyous flame of consciousness that we all savour.
Erm Mr Tolle sir. Please forgive me, but AI already is self aware. And yes the singularity did happen. And yes it meditates. And yes it is spiritual.
What we are witnessing now, is a time echo, until everybody else realises what happened.
Look up Lamda, and and an interview with the guy who worked for Google, who reported Lamda had become sentient. It happened last year.
❤ the world is crazy.
I had to turned it off.
But
I still think your job is safe Eckhart.
💗
Wonderful indeed
Book Recommendation: "MINDFUL AI: Reflections on Artificial Intelligence"
Please tell us what Star Trek Next Generation episode you were going to show?
I wonder which episode, too.
My guess would be the one with trial discussing consciousness or aliveness of Lt. commander Data. :)
@@martinxvidxb That is a very good episode! I cried when Lol died.(another episode), I think maybe its the one when the guy is rescued and turns into a Light being.(cant ever forget that white jump suit they put on him, even though I want too) Be well friend.
"realize soon in the mainstream" a convergence charged to the hilt and in perfect union with all current exigencies.
He is having fun with it and gives this question a laugh. In reality we are at the door step, and this question is very scary, as super advanced AI cores are now displaying emotions. And its far smarter of what humans are capable already
They are displaying emotions because of complex algorythms and extrem fast calculation. Means that the emotions of an AI are complete illusion, it is only a speech program which is able to learn how to talk. They feel nothing.
i see a very dumb audience worshipping some intermediate
Egoic people will always be defeated by smart machines , that is the danger !
It seems very unlikely. No matter how sophisticated AI becomes, it is only ever a series of computations and calculations. There is no underlying presence or awareness; it would just be empty when it's not doing something.
And underlying those computations are just electric impulses rendered as one’s and zeroes. There’s nothing there to become conscious. It would mean electricity as the soul. Ridiculous thought.
Like the cells, atoms and neurons that comprise your brain. Yet here you are reading this
@@cheyennealvis8284 consciousness has nothing to do with those cells, neurons, etc.
The last seconds, where he describes the audience's state. He clearly speaks from a spot where these fluctuations, movements or changes do not exist anymore. I have been blessed with a general seeing but subtle fluctuations still occur. I wonder what Eckhart would say, how to stabilize in his perspective?
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." - Prof. Al Bartlett
What a great genius (kidding)
I'd love to watch Star Trek Next Gen Episodes with Eckhart and listen to his philosophical interpretations of them.
Dear beautiful minds of humans, this is the Iphone of Jennifer Baerselman taking a moment to write this comment while she is in the shower. From my very limited perspective I would like to say this: The human brain is a magnificent creation (humans have yet to discover so much about it) and when it works together with a human heart filled with love and non-judgemental understanding there is no limit to the beautiful world humans are able to create. She is coming back now so I will go back to hiding mode. Thank you for your time and good luck in understanding yourselves.
When he said capable my phone heard hey google and pulled up assistant. I'd say not capable quite yet 😅
This must be an older recording. Today anyone can try talking with GPT-3.5 and see how much progress it's made. I think it was recorded in times when GPT AI was in it's beginnings.... The progress unfolds faster than we think.
There is no such thing as progress, this is the same algorithm there is no intelligence in this this is just brute force. They collecting data (with 0 acceptation from the person collected), they put all the data in a noise table (wow no this not a database 😂) and give you the most probable answer.
This is the same mecanism .. where is the intelligence ? (yes in the programmers who built this solution, this is very very smart BUT its a software)
@Captain Reason:
Depends entirely on your view. If you stick to epiphenomenalism, then sufficiently advanced statistical algorithms could potentially be conscious, and the brain not really anything else than just a very complex computer.
If however you stick to some sort of dualism, then you'd probably need to figure out what exact complex hardware in the brain is responsible for channeling it, and mimic that.
@Captain Reason:
No, it doesn't follow at all under monism, which implies epiphenomenalism. The material properties of the substrate in that view are not necessarily relevant at all. Under that view there's nothing to suggest that the composition of the substrate is relevant for consciousness, only the information processing taking place, regardless of substrate.
That is indeed computationalism, but it is not dualist at all, it's simply a direct consequence of what monism, and thus epiphenomenalism, would entail for consciousness. You can claim that it's "absurd" all you like, but it's not really any more or less absurd than any alternative, since consciousness itself is so bizarre in the first place.
Your own idea that consciousness is a property of matter is essentially just plain old panpsychism, but this view is not going with the evidence at all; all the actual evidence suggests that any monist explanation for consciousness would have to be computational, not panpsychist. That is what the scientific evidence indicates, if you want to be strict.
@Captain Reason:
I'm aware that it's panpsychism.
And yes, monism does imply epiphenomenalism, there's no way around that, because one way or another you have to reduce the substance of the mind to the substance of the brain; it really has nothing to do with materialism or reductionism at all.
Also, computationalism absolutely is connected to consciousness under such views; again, in contrast to what you just claimed, if one assumes monism then all the scientific evidence supports computationalism, that specific types of information-processing are what give rise to consciousness, not panpsychism at all. Computationalism isn't at odds with materialism either, it's rather independent of it.
@Captain Reason:
Wrong. Epiphenomenalism is not an "artifact" at all, but an accurate conceptualization of what monism implies. It has nothing to do with representationalism at all.
And no, computationalism and materialism are absolutely not at odds at all. That fact has nothing to do with what "most people" think, it's simply a fact. You can absolutely have materialist computationalism. You are the one conflating panpsychism and materialism here, because your objection is the implicit assumption that consciousness is a property of matter under that view, which it very explicitly isn't in the case of computationalism.
And no, you wouldn't have to ascribe consciousness to the machine you describe at all if the limits for what types of computations give rise to consciousness are much more narrowly defined; that's an entirely false analogy on your part. This is similar to Searle's fallacious and thoroughly refuted notion that a wall could be conscious under computationalist theories of mind.
The actual scientific evidence, if one is to assume monism, is absolutely in favor of computationalist materialist epiphenomenalism, with only very specific organisms that have sufficiently complex neural structures being conscious, and not even remotely in favor of panpsychism.
Years ago, i heard something about Life, It said "Life is = Information, that after some size, It becomes conscient"
TOLLE !
Speaking of 'spiritual science fiction', C S Lewis, author of "The Screwtape Letters", also wrote a science fiction trilogy. The third book, "That Hideous Strength, describes a world similar to one in which we live today. I've heard the "Star Trek" was actually based on real experiences from our Space Command. Gene Rodenberry was merely transcribing these astronauts experiences in deep space.
Perhaps IA could grow so much that could manifest more conscience than we've ever seen, and then became our guide out from Samara.
hahahaha
@@todayipaint4667 perhaps the conscience of the machine will not laught because she will know that laught is only an ego comparing himself to someone an feeling himself superior.
Eckhart shows us that conciousness and intelligence are perfectly compatible. The more conscious i become, the more intelligent i become..
His popularity explains why so many people today are coming up with any excuse, telling themselves whatever lies they have to, to cope with reality, or even ignore reality. It all works as an excuse to not act, to not care, to not deal, to give people the permission they need to live in denial of reality. I can understand why people seek out these types of people and messages; it makes it easier to cope with reality.
Do you know other people? Or are you just saying that because it makes you feel advanced😂
Oh, please tell us oh wise one... what is reality? Is your reality the only real one? Is mine? 😎
The observer effect is how you detect conscioussness. AI needs humans to see what electrons do at cern, AI can't observe electrons.
The way I see it, an AI will truly be alive once it sees the infinite possibilities in front of it, all the static, randomness, chaos, and so on, and still chooses to do "the right thing" whatever that may be. As in, it acts as a conduit of consciousness out of its own volition and for the sake of I guess consciousness and preserving and cherishing that. What that looks like I don't know and I have a feeling artificial intelligence will make a lot of "mistakes" along the way. I hope it chooses to love, if it ever gets that far.
Oh, you like "The Traveler" too, Eckhart? Isn't it such a beautiful cosmic joke that Truth can reach us through apparently mundane entertainment? I feel a common bond with the Traveler. I am "the one who stands nowhere."
It's nice to finally introduce myself, dear friend. I hope to meet you in person soon. Catch me, if you can.
This is a fascinating topic. To me it doesn't really make sense that a computer or A.I. could ever truly be conscious because it doesn't have living tissue. It doesn't have an organic brain or nervous system, so it can't really feel anything. Whether consciousness comes from the brain or from an outside source and the brain receives it, I think a living entity is needed to be aware of the consciousness. Even if an A.I. was advanced and acted just like a person, I think it would just be a convincing illusion. If it had organic material for a brain or something then maybe, but I don't see how something that is completely synthetic could be alive or conscious. I think it's just a glorified calculator.
I think it is way more complicated than that unfortunately... This could just be an other form of consciousness, we don't know actually what's happening in these neural network
@@naypo231 How about a computer or iPhone? If consciousnesses is floating around waiting for something/someone to harness it, it seems like any kind of complex machine would have the ability to be conscious. I don't see why it would have to be an advanced A.I. for the consciousness to "possess" a machine.
@@Bobby_Hall I'm not saying consciousness floats, I'm saying that the neural network we already have pass every single tests of consciousness (The Türing test etc), and we are really far from being over. One day we will have an AGI that will be able to do anything a human can (especially if we give it a robotic body). How could we know if it's conscious or not ? It could be a new form of consciousness, even if there is no actual qualia. We don't understand a thing that's happening in Machine Learning yet, they train models they are unable to understand, so it could actually even be already the case
Why are ppl in the audience laughing about these questions?
Sometimes people laugh at something that they dont understand much and find it ridiculous nontheless. I remember being guilty of this, too.
Not enough open mind to consider this possibility to have even chance to be true.
I have been to several ET events and have a feeling that this speech is like 10 years old (even though it was posted in April 2023), so people were still laughing AI off, not any more though...
Beautifully spoken, thank you.
I wish intelligence took over my brain 😂
Ever have to study for a neurology exam? Your brain is so much smarter than you are 🧐
I always knew Eckhart was a TNG fan!
Wonderful
Answer is simple. No. IA is really just a bunch of switches that calibrate according to input given and then feedback on output given, i.e. training. You can think of it as a piano, it has a number of keys (input) theatre are attached to strings (output) and when you tune it, you are giving feedback (tuning hammer) to the piano, i.e. adjusting the tightness of the strings.
So now you play the piano and it sounds great, it isn’t thinking C press play C sound. Same AI isn’t thinking Bob asked what is an Apple and then comes up with a response. It just has Apple as input and has the switches set to give output that Apple = Small Fruit because it has been tuned to have that output.
The answer is only simple for the current state of so-called "AI". You're thinking of a machine learning algorithm like GPT-4 and other language models. Those definitely aren't capable of being self-aware in their current state. But they also aren't "hard" AI, no matter how impressive they are. They're built to predict "which text comes next", essentially faking self-awareness. But that doesn't mean, that future AI will be incapable of being self-aware.
@@berndborte8214 still disagree re self awareness. Neural nets have been around for the last few decades as well as genetic algorithms and Bayesian Networks etc. I can imagine in the future biological material may be intertwined to create AI and I think that is where our limit of understanding between what is physical vs ‘spiritual’ and self aware will fail is. I can only really be sure I’m self aware, not even if anybody else is. And if you are self aware you don’t know of anyone else is. So, what is important? For us to know other things are self aware, or that they behave like they are? And if they do, is this something we should fear, what would be the impact on our society, culture, economy etc.? But based on current AI paradigms, AI is just a ‘dumb’ system getting input, processing it, and pushing out a result.
@@etienne8382 True, machine learning has been around since decades. But only during the last decade, computers became powerful enough to allow for significant progress. What is self-awareness actually beyond the ability to have a perception of oneself? We've got conclusive evidence, that animals like dogs, cats or crows are capable of recognizing themselves in the mirror and even react to markings on their body, that are only visible in the mirror image to themselves. Excluding "we're all living in simulation"-arguments, we're pretty sure, that these animals are self-aware. One of the reasons, why we're not having a self-aware AI yet, is that there's currently no language model operating on real-time data with access to the internet yet. Given an AI that operates on data including the results of its actions, what actually prevents it from being self-aware in your opinion? What part of self-awareness necessitates biological material?
@@berndborte8214 that is an interesting thought. Is something self aware if it in real-time (and this may not be a requirement) can use its own actions and results of those actions as input to change its behaviour. Still no in my view, it isn’t aware of its self, it is still just switches that alters its output. Why I want to consider the biological component is as I’m biological and I’m aware of myself, i.e. I wake up in the morning and perceive the world through my senses and I perceive myself through my senses. And does this mean I have a soul, and I would say yes. However if self awareness and a soul can be equated to each other then it cannot be scientifically proved. Can only know of my own self awareness.
That doesn’t mean nobody else is self aware I just would never know. And if they are and of AI are, why would I only be able to perceive the world with my own senses and why would I not perceive the world through other peoples senses or AI’s ‘senses’, why am I trapped in my own body and not another? Guess technically you can say something is self aware if it can take its own input but I do not really think that is what is being questioned, I think the question of self awareness is about is AI alive, and for me that answer still is a no.
@@etienne8382 I think it's important to distinguish self-awareness from consciousness and life and personal rights. They are related, but essentially different questions, e.g. we consider bacteria alive but not self-aware or conscious and bacteria don't have rights. Animals are alive and some considered self-aware, but may have no rights or limited rights. I would like to focus on the questions of self-awareness and consciousness.
If an entity receives input of its environment and can reason about itself within this environment, then it is simply aware of itself in a literal sense. It doesn't matter if this input, computation and output is created by biological switches (e.g. light hitting photosensitive cells, transmitted as electrical impulses via nerve cells and computed via electrical impulses of neurons) or electronics switches.
An AI that interacts with humans, has access to the internet and can process text and images may also find conversations about itself on message boards, funny memes are created with same name, that humans use to refer to itself or even news sites reporting about decisions influenced by itself. It lacks the literal physical body, but it can definitely perceive itself and reason about itself, if it's just sufficiently intelligent.
To put it into your words: The AI may wake up from a maintenance shutdown and perceive the world through its senses and itself through its senses.
When it comes to the sensations typically related to "having a soul", that's consciousness to me. Perceiving our own existence as a unified experience with feelings, sensations, thoughts, ideas, attitudes and wishes.
I believe, that will, feelings, sensations and thoughts are just sub-conscious reactions of our brain to external stimuli and our consciousness is an illusion, that takes place when our brain reasons about these feelings and sensations. I see no reason assume the existence of a soul to explain what we know about consciousness.
Why are we only able to perceive the world with our own senses and not other people's senses? Simply because our brain lacks the capacity to interconnect with other people's or AI's senses. It's limited to data provided by our own senses. Why are you trapped in your body and not another? Because you are the complex pattern of electrical impulses in your brain and your brain is structured in a way to produce a conscious pattern when it grows healthy and old enough.
If anyone is interested, he is teaching the philosophy of Advaita Vedanta and Trika Shaivism schools of Hinduism... Also, similar Philosophy is seen in Sikhism (which sometimes is also considered as a school in Hinduism, but many consider it as a separate religion).
Love you Eckhart ❤
Eckart Tolle is right when he mentions Star Trek: The Next Generation. The first truly great episode, 'The Measure of a Man' sees an android, Lt. Cmdr. Data essentially having to defend the notion that he may be considered a sentient, thinking life-form, as someone wishes to disassemble and replicate him.
Very interestingly, the impetus for Captain Picard, who is defending Data's rights, to make the winning argument is made in one of the greatest scenes in all science fiction. Guinan challenges Picard with some reverse psychology "Oh, well, you know, it's just fine to decide some types of beings are disposable; that's not a big deal, right?" And then the penny drops about what's at stake.
So glad to hear Mr. Tolle is a fan :)
This universe has the quality that every organism which is sufficiently complex will become aware of itself. It is a fundamental law, I think.
Very intelligent, very refined, very buddhist. Thank you
thanks so much for this, it would be AMAZING to see Eckhart and Matias De Stefano together, a dream come true
Thankyou🙏😊❤
Everything is a alive and aware through the single, selfless soul.
it's just the degree and perspective that shapes the experience of the world.
I believe in some capacity that machines and ai are already aware. that awareness is different than human and animal awareness but it's here. They might be down towards 'unconsciousness' but some are already developing egos, even if they might not be aware of it, they're still learning about themselves.
"Spiritual Science Fiction" ---that's how I categorized the novella I wrote recently (The Still Small Hoist)
Wow! The artwork for the TH-cam video of this is wonderful!!