I think P1 and 2 will get a remake at some point, but I think P4 will get a remake first. I know P4 doesn't need a remake but look at it from Atlus perspective, it's a popular game with PS2 level graphics, the original P4 is basically a ROM hack of P3 so they can use a lot of assets from 3 reload and a few from 5 royal, and 3 Reload is the fastest selling games that Atlus has ever made, so this remake will probably also sell well, the game will be released after P6 so they can also use ideas and mechanics from P6 to make an even better game
there is an argument that can be made that 1 and 2 will get a remake first and it's based on survey statistics. the survey was what lead us to a p3 remake and both p1 and 2 outdid p4 result wise and some heads of atlus are in fact interested in doing so, they can also argue how a p4 remake may not be the best pick because they can bring up the argument of p4g being so accessible on modern hardware would people purchase full price over a older version that's reasonably cheap
@@nightwish1453 I definitely think that P1 and 2 will get a remake at some point, that's for sure. but just like Sonic adventure 1 and 2, that's easier said than done. Even though the story of P1 and 2 is great the gameplay hasn't aged well especially because 80% of Persona fans started with 5 so they have to change a lot of things for modern audiences. they should take their time for a remake of P1 and 2
@@Persona-Joop-157 the gameplay for the old games can be good but it's better to refine what's there rather then dumb it down in place of the modern stuff which admittedly the sense of difficulty in the likes of royal is kind of depressing specially the pay to win personas now given to you in the base game. if you go from IS and EP you can see the improvements
@@nightwish1453 I don't think they should change it completely, but things like a bit of the combat and especially the dungeon design didn't age well. they really need to take their time with the remakes and change that
I 100% agree with you. Persona 1 and 2 Duology would be amazing. And Persona 4 deserves a remake and it’s still an amazing game today but it is noticeably dated. Though I wonder if they would Include Marie and The Hollow Forest but probably not it would be weird to add it as DLC because P5R and P3R have the third semester and Episode Aigis at the end respectively. P4 has Hollow Forest in between Magatsu Inaba and the final dungeon but idk and not sure what DLC other than costumes and music they would add or even extra bosses. Maybe they do a boss rush type of thing like the data fights in KH2 or Mario Party 9 but just make they much harder and whatever else they can do.
Big correction. The JP voice acting cast is all the original, including Metis. Katsura Hashino was also the director of the original Persona 3. Bringing back all of the JP voice actors is impressive because all of them are A to S tier VAs in terms of notoriety and cost. But most of the original P Studio are working on Metaphor.
Really good video, and I understand what you mean when they modernize a game for a remake and how they change things some things for better and some for worse which is a big topic of debate in the final fantasy community with remake and rebirth and how they changed things so I think it comes with the territory of remaking an older game.
I don’t think reload really changes P3’s vibe that much at all, and this is coming from someone who’s played every version of P3 (including vanilla) at least once. The only things I noticed them removing was shit that was just edgy for the sake of edgy because it was the 2000s and that was in at the time. In the main game I didn’t really notice much of note and with episode aigis the only scene I can really think of is the shadow Makoto scene, which I personally never saw as “disturbing” I always just kinda saw it as more edgy 2000s bullshit, and that’s coming from someone who loves edgy 2000s bullshit 😂 And when it comes to them “censoring” more controversial stuff In possible future remakes, I don’t really have any reason to believe they would do that. The only thing even close to that stuff is with Yukari in the answer and even that I thought was (mostly) harmless. I feel like they kept enough of her arc for it to still make sense and I even think them changing it so that she didn’t know that Aigis’ life was at risk was a good change, I’m fine with characters being pushed to dark places but Yukari straight up being willing to sacrifice 1 persons life for another never sat well with me (especially when that person is also a close friend who she becomes roommates with not even a day later) cause I just don’t think it’s in her character to go that far, whereas in reload it feels more like she’s just acting on impulse without stopping to consider how bad the possible consequences could be which feels like a more realistic thing for someone who’s grief stricken to do. Though I do agree that removing her trying to snatch the key kinda lessens the impact of that scene.
There some weird errors with the yukari change where the scripts from the other characters are left untouched so sometimes it overplays what she actually said
People have just fundamentally misunderstood Persona 3. It was always a bittersweet game that ultimately ends on a hopeful note but for some reason people just fixated on the bitterness which yes, while important, was not the entire picture. Reload is not a bastardization, the authors intent was always there. (granted some changes like the answer were 100% just changes I'm not saying there's no differences) but other cases it's literally just misunderstanding what the original game was actually about. and yeah interpretation is a thing but authors intent with a story is also a thing. The "death of the author" debate has become such nonsense in modern times just as an excuse for people to get mad when something doesn't align with their headcanon
I think they should. I would love if Persona and the two Persona 2 games get a modern remake. I want people to experience the stories of those games. Also I wouldn’t mind a Persona 4 remake so then all the games are up to modern standards.
Persona 3 Reload has become the fastest-selling title in the history of Atlus. The remake sold over 1 million copies within one week. So financially makes sense to continue remakes, it got people that never heard about persona interested just by opening song and cinematic. That said atlus could've done several things better about reload, foremost before release and pre-order dont lie about not releasing the answer when it was ready before release to farm money while not including it in the aigis edition. Secondly i never want to hear the words ''faithfull remake'' and joker in the same sentence, not elovating the tactics system used in p3p is one thing but completly letting it rot with braindead ai is sad. And lastly if you're gonna remake prior games into p5r versions atleast add the good parts about p5r not the bad parts like its difficulty. Praying atlus doesnt butcher p4g but you already know they'll find an way to add joker somehow 💀
I think if Atlus is going to remake, re-release or remaster Persona 2 (both IS & EP), they could re-release the duology with fully voiced story dialogue in both Japanese and English.
Honestly, SMT games getting a remake is indeed a rarity, but getting a similar treatment to Reload is even more rare considering how they handled Nocturne HD.
in an ideal world, your hopes and expectations would be the case but i don't really see that as a possibility anymore. the old atlus staff have expressed that they want the new blood to take the series in their own direction. it's vague, but i think this could also extend to retroactively changing things about the previous games to keep the series uniform (or at the very least, they never said it was off the table). at this point, i'd rather the new staff to just try to give their remakes their own identity outside the originals instead of fumbling to replace them and preserving the originals thru straight ports/a classic collection of sorts.
Also I agree with this with some extent Having a completely new direction when making remakes is fine But should we still keep the story honest to how it always was? FF7 is a gold example because they genuinely changed a lot of the story and the fans weren’t happy And yes they should definitely try using more ports
I haven’t played Reload to really dislike it but I gotta say it’s one of those things I wouldn’t call soulless because you can tell in the voice acting-even if people hate the dub voices the new actors DO try-art direction and the music the people working on this was super passionate, it felt like it didn’t need to happen and only existed for money. Obviously a remake primarily exists for money but yeah this one does feel like a cashgrab even if it’s not a soulless one because I was rubbed the wrong way they remade 3 when p3p was already on consoles. And people complained the port of that was sloppy and p3p being a visual novel hinders the experience, but femc is still content the remake choose to not include, but it feels like femc not being in the remake and p3p being cheaper is the only justification for reload to exist because they refuse to port fes, especially given they turned the answer into dlc. And now with the possibility of more remakes while P1 and the P2 duology would have more of a reason given they haven’t been ported, if they remade P4 it be unnecessary as hell given golden has everything you could want in P4 so I hope Atlus at least learns from the mistakes of Reload cause the game isn’t as bad as it could be, but it definitely missed the mark in some places and they should take all criticisms moving forward into at least all persona remakes.
Admittedly with 1 and 2 it might actually be more absurd then 3 it’s just with p2 you have the fuhrer thing which we have no idea how the will do it this time after the psp version
@@mettatonneoex he is however it's kind of that thing where it's very blatant in a piece of fiction with something from real life. in most other persona it's never really directly referencing something despite every persona game having themes that were relevant to when they came out, persona 1 as well that came out during when japan's mental health was low and maki's character arc resonated to a lot of people
The biggest thing persona 2 has going for sales wise is the fact that it along with devil survivor are the games that appeal for both mainline and persona fans since they have elements from both franchises so toning the game down is gonna do a huge disfavor for it Though i also think its very unlikely they are gona tone anything down atlus isnt a company to shy away from controversial topics just a few months ago smt 5 vengence released and it doubled down on the dark themes of the original covering way heavier topics in the canon of vengence
No matter what people say about reload it will be the way for 99% of people playing it, I mean it selling 1 million in 5 days and probably passed 2 mil maybe 3 mil already goes to show how people would rather play reload instead of fes or even think about emulation. they don’t care about the nitpicks nor the small changes or even the bigger ones like the tone and such they just want to play a modern version of p3 they don’t care about every single thing the product as a whole is still amazing and small changes don’t change the outcome nor the overall story, plus what’s complaining or criticizing this game gonna do in this situation it feels pointless to scream into a void of where atlus will never hear anything is kinda pointless and the majority of fans like I said don’t care. Are they gonna continue remakes ofc they are and I’m a big FES fan here who also takes some issues with reload but I can be realistic and say that anything wrong with reload is so insignificant that modern players do not care and I don’t blame them for it as people talking about P3R in most ways just seem like super miserable people with the way they word their criticism that of being harsh and ugly instead of actually critiquing with a respectful tone. I’m glad they are thinking about making new remakes cause it’s gonna get plenty more people to play and the changes wouldn’t even matter to the majority of people and having a very minuscule group being angry or upset about changes doesn’t matter to them anyways.
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I think P1 and 2 will get a remake at some point, but I think P4 will get a remake first. I know P4 doesn't need a remake but look at it from Atlus perspective, it's a popular game with PS2 level graphics, the original P4 is basically a ROM hack of P3 so they can use a lot of assets from 3 reload and a few from 5 royal, and 3 Reload is the fastest selling games that Atlus has ever made, so this remake will probably also sell well, the game will be released after P6 so they can also use ideas and mechanics from P6 to make an even better game
there is an argument that can be made that 1 and 2 will get a remake first and it's based on survey statistics. the survey was what lead us to a p3 remake and both p1 and 2 outdid p4 result wise and some heads of atlus are in fact interested in doing so, they can also argue how a p4 remake may not be the best pick because they can bring up the argument of p4g being so accessible on modern hardware would people purchase full price over a older version that's reasonably cheap
@@nightwish1453 I definitely think that P1 and 2 will get a remake at some point, that's for sure. but just like Sonic adventure 1 and 2, that's easier said than done. Even though the story of P1 and 2 is great the gameplay hasn't aged well especially because 80% of Persona fans started with 5 so they have to change a lot of things for modern audiences. they should take their time for a remake of P1 and 2
@@Persona-Joop-157 the gameplay for the old games can be good but it's better to refine what's there rather then dumb it down in place of the modern stuff which admittedly the sense of difficulty in the likes of royal is kind of depressing specially the pay to win personas now given to you in the base game. if you go from IS and EP you can see the improvements
@@nightwish1453 I don't think they should change it completely, but things like a bit of the combat and especially the dungeon design didn't age well. they really need to take their time with the remakes and change that
I 100% agree with you. Persona 1 and 2 Duology would be amazing. And Persona 4 deserves a remake and it’s still an amazing game today but it is noticeably dated. Though I wonder if they would Include Marie and The Hollow Forest but probably not it would be weird to add it as DLC because P5R and P3R have the third semester and Episode Aigis at the end respectively. P4 has Hollow Forest in between Magatsu Inaba and the final dungeon but idk and not sure what DLC other than costumes and music they would add or even extra bosses. Maybe they do a boss rush type of thing like the data fights in KH2 or Mario Party 9 but just make they much harder and whatever else they can do.
If they do eventually stop making remakes, can they like stop after they remake persona 2
Big correction. The JP voice acting cast is all the original, including Metis. Katsura Hashino was also the director of the original Persona 3. Bringing back all of the JP voice actors is impressive because all of them are A to S tier VAs in terms of notoriety and cost.
But most of the original P Studio are working on Metaphor.
I wanna p4 remake and a p1 and p2 remake since i’ve never played them
Really good video, and I understand what you mean when they modernize a game for a remake and how they change things some things for better and some for worse which is a big topic of debate in the final fantasy community with remake and rebirth and how they changed things so I think it comes with the territory of remaking an older game.
it a little bit different for FF7 because remake isn't a "Remake" its a reimagining
@@gridenboat yeah that's true reload was trying to be closer to the source material
I don’t think reload really changes P3’s vibe that much at all, and this is coming from someone who’s played every version of P3 (including vanilla) at least once. The only things I noticed them removing was shit that was just edgy for the sake of edgy because it was the 2000s and that was in at the time. In the main game I didn’t really notice much of note and with episode aigis the only scene I can really think of is the shadow Makoto scene, which I personally never saw as “disturbing” I always just kinda saw it as more edgy 2000s bullshit, and that’s coming from someone who loves edgy 2000s bullshit 😂
And when it comes to them “censoring” more controversial stuff In possible future remakes, I don’t really have any reason to believe they would do that. The only thing even close to that stuff is with Yukari in the answer and even that I thought was (mostly) harmless. I feel like they kept enough of her arc for it to still make sense and I even think them changing it so that she didn’t know that Aigis’ life was at risk was a good change, I’m fine with characters being pushed to dark places but Yukari straight up being willing to sacrifice 1 persons life for another never sat well with me (especially when that person is also a close friend who she becomes roommates with not even a day later) cause I just don’t think it’s in her character to go that far, whereas in reload it feels more like she’s just acting on impulse without stopping to consider how bad the possible consequences could be which feels like a more realistic thing for someone who’s grief stricken to do. Though I do agree that removing her trying to snatch the key kinda lessens the impact of that scene.
There some weird errors with the yukari change where the scripts from the other characters are left untouched so sometimes it overplays what she actually said
People have just fundamentally misunderstood Persona 3. It was always a bittersweet game that ultimately ends on a hopeful note but for some reason people just fixated on the bitterness which yes, while important, was not the entire picture. Reload is not a bastardization, the authors intent was always there. (granted some changes like the answer were 100% just changes I'm not saying there's no differences) but other cases it's literally just misunderstanding what the original game was actually about. and yeah interpretation is a thing but authors intent with a story is also a thing. The "death of the author" debate has become such nonsense in modern times just as an excuse for people to get mad when something doesn't align with their headcanon
Great video!! I couldn’t help but notice the thumbnail though 😂😂❤❤❤
If they remake another Persona they should Do Persona 4 first while working on combining the Persona 2 Duology
Then Release the Persona 2 Duology
Editing got hella improved
So long as it isn't another flop like HD Nocturne, I don't care. Please introduce the first three Persona games to modern audiences.
I think they should. I would love if Persona and the two Persona 2 games get a modern remake. I want people to experience the stories of those games. Also I wouldn’t mind a Persona 4 remake so then all the games are up to modern standards.
Persona 3 Reload has become the fastest-selling title in the history of Atlus. The remake sold over 1 million copies within one week. So financially makes sense to continue remakes, it got people that never heard about persona interested just by opening song and cinematic.
That said atlus could've done several things better about reload, foremost before release and pre-order dont lie about not releasing the answer when it was ready before release to farm money while not including it in the aigis edition. Secondly i never want to hear the words ''faithfull remake'' and joker in the same sentence, not elovating the tactics system used in p3p is one thing but completly letting it rot with braindead ai is sad. And lastly if you're gonna remake prior games into p5r versions atleast add the good parts about p5r not the bad parts like its difficulty.
Praying atlus doesnt butcher p4g but you already know they'll find an way to add joker somehow 💀
I think if Atlus is going to remake, re-release or remaster Persona 2 (both IS & EP), they could re-release the duology with fully voiced story dialogue in both Japanese and English.
Great intro, but having joker steal Yu's line is evil.😂
This is the moment Legendary7 became Gatekeepberg
Jokes aside good editing bro, would love more content like this
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Honestly, SMT games getting a remake is indeed a rarity, but getting a similar treatment to Reload is even more rare considering how they handled Nocturne HD.
in an ideal world, your hopes and expectations would be the case but i don't really see that as a possibility anymore. the old atlus staff have expressed that they want the new blood to take the series in their own direction. it's vague, but i think this could also extend to retroactively changing things about the previous games to keep the series uniform (or at the very least, they never said it was off the table). at this point, i'd rather the new staff to just try to give their remakes their own identity outside the originals instead of fumbling to replace them and preserving the originals thru straight ports/a classic collection of sorts.
OMG NO WAY DUDEEEEE
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Also I agree with this with some extent
Having a completely new direction when making remakes is fine
But should we still keep the story honest to how it always was?
FF7 is a gold example because they genuinely changed a lot of the story and the fans weren’t happy
And yes they should definitely try using more ports
Great video! btw yukari is the best party member in the game
I haven’t played Reload to really dislike it but I gotta say it’s one of those things I wouldn’t call soulless because you can tell in the voice acting-even if people hate the dub voices the new actors DO try-art direction and the music the people working on this was super passionate, it felt like it didn’t need to happen and only existed for money. Obviously a remake primarily exists for money but yeah this one does feel like a cashgrab even if it’s not a soulless one because I was rubbed the wrong way they remade 3 when p3p was already on consoles. And people complained the port of that was sloppy and p3p being a visual novel hinders the experience, but femc is still content the remake choose to not include, but it feels like femc not being in the remake and p3p being cheaper is the only justification for reload to exist because they refuse to port fes, especially given they turned the answer into dlc. And now with the possibility of more remakes while P1 and the P2 duology would have more of a reason given they haven’t been ported, if they remade P4 it be unnecessary as hell given golden has everything you could want in P4 so I hope Atlus at least learns from the mistakes of Reload cause the game isn’t as bad as it could be, but it definitely missed the mark in some places and they should take all criticisms moving forward into at least all persona remakes.
Nah I ain’t gonna lie I never want them to stop making remakes
Why? Because I’m selfish 😂
Demi kids remake lets go
Please remake P4 though
I think to keep Persona 2 as a good remake is to take the risk and highten/keep the Age Rating. As with Persona 3 Reload yeah the edge has been dulled
Admittedly with 1 and 2 it might actually be more absurd then 3 it’s just with p2 you have the fuhrer thing which we have no idea how the will do it this time after the psp version
@@nightwish1453 well he is the Bad guy that's the least controversial option of him. The Memes though from having the shades will go rampant though
@@mettatonneoex he is however it's kind of that thing where it's very blatant in a piece of fiction with something from real life. in most other persona it's never really directly referencing something despite every persona game having themes that were relevant to when they came out, persona 1 as well that came out during when japan's mental health was low and maki's character arc resonated to a lot of people
The biggest thing persona 2 has going for sales wise is the fact that it along with devil survivor are the games that appeal for both mainline and persona fans since they have elements from both franchises so toning the game down is gonna do a huge disfavor for it
Though i also think its very unlikely they are gona tone anything down atlus isnt a company to shy away from controversial topics just a few months ago smt 5 vengence released and it doubled down on the dark themes of the original covering way heavier topics in the canon of vengence
If persona 1 and 2 get reworked what about persona 4?
Not sure if they are gonna mess with 4
But personally I prefer golden to be left alone 😅
I wanna see Atlus dip their toes in Shining force again (Fr)
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Yes
Remake Persona 4, release persona 6, the version whit more content, then remake 1 and 2, :3
No matter what people say about reload it will be the way for 99% of people playing it, I mean it selling 1 million in 5 days and probably passed 2 mil maybe 3 mil already goes to show how people would rather play reload instead of fes or even think about emulation. they don’t care about the nitpicks nor the small changes or even the bigger ones like the tone and such they just want to play a modern version of p3 they don’t care about every single thing the product as a whole is still amazing and small changes don’t change the outcome nor the overall story, plus what’s complaining or criticizing this game gonna do in this situation it feels pointless to scream into a void of where atlus will never hear anything is kinda pointless and the majority of fans like I said don’t care. Are they gonna continue remakes ofc they are and I’m a big FES fan here who also takes some issues with reload but I can be realistic and say that anything wrong with reload is so insignificant that modern players do not care and I don’t blame them for it as people talking about P3R in most ways just seem like super miserable people with the way they word their criticism that of being harsh and ugly instead of actually critiquing with a respectful tone. I’m glad they are thinking about making new remakes cause it’s gonna get plenty more people to play and the changes wouldn’t even matter to the majority of people and having a very minuscule group being angry or upset about changes doesn’t matter to them anyways.
Well man
Your right
Me complaining is gonna do much but, uk I guess it feels good to get something off my chest, as a fan
Yes they should
Yeah P1 and P2 should remake.