My headcannon was that the Gears of the COG started the rumour about the Berserkers (because honestly, how would they know what goes on underground?) because they were trying to deal with the guilt of the Birthing Crèches. “Yeah, we may have breeding farms… but at least we don’t do *that!* Those guys are the *real* monsters!” But yeah, read the comics years back. Pretty good, not as good as the Karen Traviss novels.
The issue is that books are books, and games are games. Not every aspect of every book will be canon to the games. It wasn't written as well as it should have, but it was mainly here to introduce Alex Brand. Yeah, Baird being misogynistic toward women is in the books for some reason but not in the games, he didn't have an issue with Sophia or Anya so why in the books. Another example of the only lore that really, matters is the lore in games. also for Alex I always just figured she didn't want to see another person die on the birthing farm. its not perfectly written but like I said before it was written with really one goal in mind.
I'd also add its perfectly fine to write about these dark and disturbing subjects.but you should treatit tenderly and with respect, but the comic goes out of its way to not care about the subject matter with any decency. These women were raped and victims of horrendous violence, and these victims are sexualised, did they need to be shown in a thong? No, you could have depicted them in dirty rags etc but the underwear was purely there for the male gaze. I agree with everything you say, it was badly written and disingenuous and written in a harmful way. As much as people may deny it fiction affects attitudes, if a teens favourite character is Marcus and they read how dismissive he was to a woman who was sexually assaulted it could form an opinion in their mind that that kind of response is okay. Stories affect us, and rape, sexual assault is never okay, and all media should ultimately portray it as such. A character can be those horrendous things and the character can justify it but the overall message should be this is fucked up and ethically wrong. This comic doesn't do it. Frankly it is a stain on the gears series.
@coldsolitude4417 I don't think that is the case in this situation. When we look at the comic as a whole and the context of it and the stance the author takes which is one if trivialising and sexualising trauma in what is a clear attempt to be edgy and make it sexy while at the same time dismissing the very real social issue it represents. And by using a character's personality as a defence of that stance is a cop out. Just because someone is a miserable, grumpy cynic doesn't remove ones humanity or their principles. I'm a fairly cynical person, I also live in the UK and the weather makes me grumpy af somedays but if someone was telling me about a traumatic event in their life, an experience then I would respond with empathy and respect regardless. Not dismiss them, and then claim "oh its just cause you caught me on a bad day." And Marcus is a decent guy and an empathetic guy. So I see his response as completely out of character. And not a valid argument against it.
Hey man this is the video I've been needing! I happened upon this channel called Carmine forever, really neat goes into some of the gears of war lore but I don't really know a lot about it, So anyway that guy went into this but did not go into the story very much so I did not know if it was unnecessary thing or if it was just evil for the sake of evil like... I forget the name of it Weshammer had a really good video on it, damoncalaba? (I can't remember how to spell it off the top of my head it was a really messed up story in Warhammer 40K) I just called then the flash pits, so it just seems like this is a story that was written in a very weird way.
@@Buster-McTunder I mean its Warhammer. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a section where all aliens are placed in zoos and treated like animals because they're supposedly inferior.
I mean, idk how you expect humans to act or pretend we wouldn't have breeding farms. when we face the death of the species. their is no feminism and women's rights in a survival of the species war .
@@5000Seabasswe all know that, but we can still easily judge the authors for it. Gross topics in media can be interesting. This wasn’t, it was gross and disrespected all the strong women we learned to love during gears. Saying feminism doesn’t exist in a survival of a species is wild when anya was so important for 3 games. Not that feminism in gears is always good, like anything in gears 4/5
My headcannon was that the Gears of the COG started the rumour about the Berserkers (because honestly, how would they know what goes on underground?) because they were trying to deal with the guilt of the Birthing Crèches.
“Yeah, we may have breeding farms… but at least we don’t do *that!* Those guys are the *real* monsters!”
But yeah, read the comics years back. Pretty good, not as good as the Karen Traviss novels.
The issue is that books are books, and games are games. Not every aspect of every book will be canon to the games. It wasn't written as well as it should have, but it was mainly here to introduce Alex Brand. Yeah, Baird being misogynistic toward women is in the books for some reason but not in the games, he didn't have an issue with Sophia or Anya so why in the books. Another example of the only lore that really, matters is the lore in games. also for Alex I always just figured she didn't want to see another person die on the birthing farm. its not perfectly written but like I said before it was written with really one goal in mind.
I'd also add its perfectly fine to write about these dark and disturbing subjects.but you should treatit tenderly and with respect, but the comic goes out of its way to not care about the subject matter with any decency. These women were raped and victims of horrendous violence, and these victims are sexualised, did they need to be shown in a thong? No, you could have depicted them in dirty rags etc but the underwear was purely there for the male gaze.
I agree with everything you say, it was badly written and disingenuous and written in a harmful way. As much as people may deny it fiction affects attitudes, if a teens favourite character is Marcus and they read how dismissive he was to a woman who was sexually assaulted it could form an opinion in their mind that that kind of response is okay. Stories affect us, and rape, sexual assault is never okay, and all media should ultimately portray it as such. A character can be those horrendous things and the character can justify it but the overall message should be this is fucked up and ethically wrong. This comic doesn't do it. Frankly it is a stain on the gears series.
Right on the nail
to be fair Marcus is really either pissed or disgruntled 99% of the time so maybe he just doesn't know how to answer Alex
@coldsolitude4417 I don't think that is the case in this situation. When we look at the comic as a whole and the context of it and the stance the author takes which is one if trivialising and sexualising trauma in what is a clear attempt to be edgy and make it sexy while at the same time dismissing the very real social issue it represents. And by using a character's personality as a defence of that stance is a cop out. Just because someone is a miserable, grumpy cynic doesn't remove ones humanity or their principles. I'm a fairly cynical person, I also live in the UK and the weather makes me grumpy af somedays but if someone was telling me about a traumatic event in their life, an experience then I would respond with empathy and respect regardless. Not dismiss them, and then claim "oh its just cause you caught me on a bad day." And Marcus is a decent guy and an empathetic guy. So I see his response as completely out of character. And not a valid argument against it.
@@mattmackenzie4636bro you’re so right. Berserk tackles a lot of these issues more carefully
Hey man this is the video I've been needing! I happened upon this channel called Carmine forever, really neat goes into some of the gears of war lore but I don't really know a lot about it,
So anyway that guy went into this but did not go into the story very much so I did not know if it was unnecessary thing or if it was just evil for the sake of evil like... I forget the name of it Weshammer had a really good video on it, damoncalaba? (I can't remember how to spell it off the top of my head it was a really messed up story in Warhammer 40K) I just called then the flash pits, so it just seems like this is a story that was written in a very weird way.
It’s very similar to the Daemoncuabla, which is mostly edgy for just edge’s sake.
@@Buster-McTunder I mean its Warhammer. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a section where all aliens are placed in zoos and treated like animals because they're supposedly inferior.
I mean, idk how you expect humans to act or pretend we wouldn't have breeding farms. when we face the death of the species. their is no feminism and women's rights in a survival of the species war .
Yeah and I wonder when humans will just let go of the faux immortality lmfao. We're not meant to exist forever.
@@DioStandProud it'll never happen it anti theatrica to our evolutionary need to keep alive
The difference is this is a work of fiction, so the rule isn't implied.
@@jalejablonsky2396 Yeah, work of fiction. Not your work of fiction, meaning the author decides what is implied, not you.
@@5000Seabasswe all know that, but we can still easily judge the authors for it. Gross topics in media can be interesting. This wasn’t, it was gross and disrespected all the strong women we learned to love during gears. Saying feminism doesn’t exist in a survival of a species is wild when anya was so important for 3 games. Not that feminism in gears is always good, like anything in gears 4/5
Gears Lore Character development: punch out grumpy goblin.... TWICE!!