Expensive mods have penalties because in the past basically only the most pricy mods were "meta" builds simply because people have seen that they can get around the high mod price if they build it in. Hence whole fleets with only Heavy armor plates and missile loaders built in, and little creativity in there. If you notice the only mods which have bonuses are those which are on the other end ofthe scale, and can be considered cheap, and in some cases the build-in bonus is basically bringing up the mod to an acceptable level rather than making it OP. The flux mods literally say in their tooltip that the built in bonus makes them equal to the point cost of the normal capacitors, while otherwise they are inferior in cost to simply using capacitors. This system was implemented to make sure more creative fleet building is encouraged, without having to bring all mods to a uniform cost and thus making them an immersionbraking balancing act.
OH THAT WAS PAAAAINFUL watching you throw away the Revenant phased tender… literally THE BEST logistic ship in the game 😭😭😭 Hauling, fuel, sensor profile reduction, sensor strength buffs (using the phased ship skill), its fast, its just so good and you scrapped it 😢
Ayup. And look at what weapons the fighters are carrying. The basic fighters with just a single machine gun and flare launcher are kinda crap for anything other than distracting enemy point defenses from more valuable bombers.
An S mod penalty is a penalty that only applies if the system is made an S mod it's there on systems that would be too strong if they could be made S mods without a small penalty. It's the opposite of an S mod bonus.
it's mostly bonuses on really cheap hull mods (where you're only saving a few points by s-modding them so the bonus makes up for the low "value" of s-modding) and penalties on more expensive mods (for the reverse reason).
Everytime i play starsector i end up doing pretty much this, I love carriers but i highly prefer playing with mods just for more variety of cool carriers and fighters. Loving the series sir!
Shepards are fantastic little guys. Ultra cheap, disposable frigates to take objectives and bog down enemies. Slap reinforced bulkheads, and ignore their deathes. They have a built in mod that boosts salvage. Those usually don't come cheap. Their AI is also not the worst.
Not to mention the AI`s almost obcessive need to murder drones with any nonpoint defence guns (if i had a penny for every time my onslaught decided to target drones with it`s Mjolnirs…) makes them great little distractions
The legion is one of my favorite ships. I treat it like a battleship more then a carrier. I make it a strong long range center point for my carriers. Fighters are usually something like low cost bombers to work with the other carriers while keeping pressure with long range cannons, and a ton of PD to protect the carriers.
I always had really good luck using it as a front line brawler with HVDs, Maulers, two hurricanes, and a fleet of Xyphos support fighters. Battle Legion is great
@@NoName5589 The regular Legion has large ballistics, only 14th battlegroup version can mount hurricanes. Also I ran mine with dual cyclone reaper launchers and it was hilarious. Giving it bombers with reapers makes it even funnier, but it gets on better with cheaper bombers than expensive ones if you want to frontline it.
@@a-blivvy-yus Ooh yes you're right! I did dual reapers too and it was pretty glorious. I was torn between those and the hurricanes. Eventually settled on volume over damage
@@NoName5589 Also fun was the time I turned it into a point defense ship with locusts and insane amounts of machineguns and vulcans and an all xyphos swarm xD it sucked but it was hilarious.
Can confirm, big ship with xyphos support fighters works a treat. I always put them on my oddysey. Haven't tested, but I'm sure they'd work well on those 1-wing variants of the UAF carrier frigate too. Probably not effective for DP tho
And the Salvage/survey gantries. Awesome to grab a couple of those, increases the amount you get from salvaging and decreases the cost of surveying and colonizing planets. The increased salvage means they quickly pay for themselves, and since they aren't combat ships you can just outfit them with stuff to increase speed and cargo carrying capacity etc.
tbf to the "heavily armed carrier" thing, carriers actually are well armed. carriers irl have multiple missle launchers, large machine guns and a handful of small ones around the ship they're not going up against a dedicated battleship with them admittedly, but they're designed to be decently well armed so that in the event they're left without their group (never going to happen again) they can still hold their own for abit your philosophy of a focus on the airwing, but as heavy an arms supplement as the ship and funds can support is true to irl doctrine, esp as the ranges in space warfare if it ever happened would be absolutely massive so you can't rely on a carrier strike group to cover the majority of defensive actions for the carrier
I saw a loading screen text that said you can create new stable spots in a system by interacting with the star. Also, from what I've read and recall, classical naval doctrine is to target heavies first. Highest threat, highest priority. Not sure if the fleet AI is actually programmed for that or if it's merely happy coincidence, but there certainly is precedent and logic behind that.
I know these are prerecorded but you can go to the settings in game and " disable screen whiteout " to disable the bright flash whenever a ship blows up
Those support fighters (Xyphos IIRC?) are actually phenomenal multi-use fighters; while they have no range for their engagement, the beams are 1000 range and will happily hose down incoming ordinance, fighters, or the opfor ships with equal abandon. No, they are not high DPS, but they are a great JOAT.
The Tempests you have there are shooting themselves in the capacitor with both of those guns on. One of them should be more than enough, the Ion Pulser is actually more useful since it can keep ships disabled on its own after shields are down. Probably best paired with Graviton beam, which has a tactical effect. Once it hits a shield, all anti shield damage will be buffed against that shield, and the debuff stacks, which would be beneficial for both themselves to open their targets up to the Ion Pulsers, and also assists to the bombers which needs shields disabled...
not sure about that long range loadout on legion since it will have to tank for whole fleet and be out of flux forever. Pair of hephestuses and HMG spam with PD mastery elite perk is far more flux efficient and devastating on ships like legion. stack it with 4 daggers(or 4 longbows vs high tech/remnant) and there is hardly anythig that can stand in your way
"Cryovolcanic" isn't "hot and very cold at the same time" it's just cold. Pluto and several of the moons around gas giants in the solar system we live in are cryovolanic, with liquid methane or other super-cold fluids which behave similarly to how volcanoes behave on Earth but at much, *much* lower temperatures.
the apogee is remarkably good against fighters, when piloted by a player. the AI just spams out the 'flares' too much so you can counter them with numbers or simple timing.
really enjoying this thanks btw.. had binged first 5 episodes before hitting like :( keep going :) ps. how do you see shield strengths? As for ship names, surely planets could be renamed too? I want to see planet bob dammit.
Can confirm this works in vanilla, but also... the debuff is a buff - it comes with an increase to colony growth rate. If you want your colony to increase fast, it might be worth the hit to your stability.
It makes me think you have never played Baldur's Gate 2, or even the original for that matter, to call the most recent a masterpiece so blithely as that. Good, I could get on board with good. Tell me a 6 man party isn't the best for crpg, go on and try me. How about the ability to create an entire party of my own creation?! When I run a game I too have a philosophy of "Well, you can try it" with regard to players going completely off the rails and trying something suicidal, fine. What I never do is introduce a beholder to a group of FOUR level FOUR ADVENTURERS after having just told them that if they enter a particular area they will be absurdly underpowered and should therefore stay where we are for the "Balanced" encounters.
We Are Legion
We Are Lagion, We Are Your Legion!
We Are Lagion, We Are Your Legion!
We are Bob ( I couldn't help it, it was a fun book series)
Time to good the space Rome empire route 😂😂. I truly like to see a series like that. Modded
yet you cant throw away people even though the cryo would keep em perfictly alive for a few years
Ah, another man of "I don't like to be mean to game characters cause it makes me feel bad" culture, Very nice, very pog indeed.
Expensive mods have penalties because in the past basically only the most pricy mods were "meta" builds simply because people have seen that they can get around the high mod price if they build it in. Hence whole fleets with only Heavy armor plates and missile loaders built in, and little creativity in there. If you notice the only mods which have bonuses are those which are on the other end ofthe scale, and can be considered cheap, and in some cases the build-in bonus is basically bringing up the mod to an acceptable level rather than making it OP. The flux mods literally say in their tooltip that the built in bonus makes them equal to the point cost of the normal capacitors, while otherwise they are inferior in cost to simply using capacitors. This system was implemented to make sure more creative fleet building is encouraged, without having to bring all mods to a uniform cost and thus making them an immersionbraking balancing act.
Obsessive clicking on Establish colony button following the name WINDER got me crying, had to rewatch it few times. Spectacular content, as always
Loving the series so far. I love the idea of tiny little fighters and bombers taking down huge ships. Phenomenal
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OH THAT WAS PAAAAINFUL watching you throw away the Revenant phased tender… literally THE BEST logistic ship in the game 😭😭😭
Hauling, fuel, sensor profile reduction, sensor strength buffs (using the phased ship skill), its fast, its just so good and you scrapped it 😢
Besides Xyphos as support, I've rediscovered my love for the claw wings, the ion emp damage is so great for disabling ships.
Still loving it! Cant wait to see how big your fleet gets XD
You and me both!
00:36 - 00:39 The two Atropos torpedoes are doing an excellent job again at avoiding the Buffalo Mk II in the last second. 😆
Its there hobby
@@ThreatX They seem too dedicated for that ... 😁
Love your starsector videos, keep it up!
Thanks!
Love the defensive carrier idea. He’s the frontline distraction. Just get more defensive fighters
Ayup.
And look at what weapons the fighters are carrying. The basic fighters with just a single machine gun and flare launcher are kinda crap for anything other than distracting enemy point defenses from more valuable bombers.
An S mod penalty is a penalty that only applies if the system is made an S mod it's there on systems that would be too strong if they could be made S mods without a small penalty. It's the opposite of an S mod bonus.
it's mostly bonuses on really cheap hull mods (where you're only saving a few points by s-modding them so the bonus makes up for the low "value" of s-modding) and penalties on more expensive mods (for the reverse reason).
Love your videos!
Thank you!
Everytime i play starsector i end up doing pretty much this, I love carriers but i highly prefer playing with mods just for more variety of cool carriers and fighters. Loving the series sir!
I can't remember when I didn't have diabolic Corp loaded in, with its fully animated mech suit strike craft meleeing frigates to death.
Shepards are fantastic little guys. Ultra cheap, disposable frigates to take objectives and bog down enemies. Slap reinforced bulkheads, and ignore their deathes.
They have a built in mod that boosts salvage. Those usually don't come cheap. Their AI is also not the worst.
Not to mention the AI`s almost obcessive need to murder drones with any nonpoint defence guns (if i had a penny for every time my onslaught decided to target drones with it`s Mjolnirs…) makes them great little distractions
The legion is one of my favorite ships. I treat it like a battleship more then a carrier. I make it a strong long range center point for my carriers. Fighters are usually something like low cost bombers to work with the other carriers while keeping pressure with long range cannons, and a ton of PD to protect the carriers.
I always had really good luck using it as a front line brawler with HVDs, Maulers, two hurricanes, and a fleet of Xyphos support fighters. Battle Legion is great
@@NoName5589 The regular Legion has large ballistics, only 14th battlegroup version can mount hurricanes. Also I ran mine with dual cyclone reaper launchers and it was hilarious. Giving it bombers with reapers makes it even funnier, but it gets on better with cheaper bombers than expensive ones if you want to frontline it.
@@a-blivvy-yus Ooh yes you're right! I did dual reapers too and it was pretty glorious. I was torn between those and the hurricanes. Eventually settled on volume over damage
@@NoName5589 Also fun was the time I turned it into a point defense ship with locusts and insane amounts of machineguns and vulcans and an all xyphos swarm xD it sucked but it was hilarious.
Can confirm, big ship with xyphos support fighters works a treat. I always put them on my oddysey. Haven't tested, but I'm sure they'd work well on those 1-wing variants of the UAF carrier frigate too. Probably not effective for DP tho
Love watching your contact.
You should turn the Epilepsy generator to FALSE.
Also, excellent video man
first 8 where pre-recorded it will be off after :)
a legion xiv is a perfect match for your ablative/pd wing idea. fly it up close and shotgun out missiles.
Don't forget about the ox tugs that will help your legions burn speed even just 1 or 2 will be a big help for your slower ships
And the Salvage/survey gantries. Awesome to grab a couple of those, increases the amount you get from salvaging and decreases the cost of surveying and colonizing planets. The increased salvage means they quickly pay for themselves, and since they aren't combat ships you can just outfit them with stuff to increase speed and cargo carrying capacity etc.
tbf to the "heavily armed carrier" thing, carriers actually are well armed.
carriers irl have multiple missle launchers, large machine guns and a handful of small ones around the ship
they're not going up against a dedicated battleship with them admittedly, but they're designed to be decently well armed so that in the event they're left without their group (never going to happen again) they can still hold their own for abit
your philosophy of a focus on the airwing, but as heavy an arms supplement as the ship and funds can support is true to irl doctrine, esp as the ranges in space warfare if it ever happened would be absolutely massive so you can't rely on a carrier strike group to cover the majority of defensive actions for the carrier
4 dagger bombers would be amazing lol. I would love to see that bombing run 😂
It would be hilarious if the Luddic Church had a group of missionaries that could remove decivilized.
Oh I would accept that lol
I saw a loading screen text that said you can create new stable spots in a system by interacting with the star.
Also, from what I've read and recall, classical naval doctrine is to target heavies first. Highest threat, highest priority. Not sure if the fleet AI is actually programmed for that or if it's merely happy coincidence, but there certainly is precedent and logic behind that.
I am not sure how the ai decides what to do it seems to work quite well
I know these are prerecorded but you can go to the settings in game and " disable screen whiteout " to disable the bright flash whenever a ship blows up
I mentioned this with comments from episode 1 the first 8 episodes where recorded weeks ago anything after that the setting is off
Those support fighters (Xyphos IIRC?) are actually phenomenal multi-use fighters; while they have no range for their engagement, the beams are 1000 range and will happily hose down incoming ordinance, fighters, or the opfor ships with equal abandon. No, they are not high DPS, but they are a great JOAT.
The Tempests you have there are shooting themselves in the capacitor with both of those guns on. One of them should be more than enough, the Ion Pulser is actually more useful since it can keep ships disabled on its own after shields are down. Probably best paired with Graviton beam, which has a tactical effect. Once it hits a shield, all anti shield damage will be buffed against that shield, and the debuff stacks, which would be beneficial for both themselves to open their targets up to the Ion Pulsers, and also assists to the bombers which needs shields disabled...
not sure about that long range loadout on legion since it will have to tank for whole fleet and be out of flux forever.
Pair of hephestuses and HMG spam with PD mastery elite perk is far more flux efficient and devastating on ships like legion. stack it with 4 daggers(or 4 longbows vs high tech/remnant) and there is hardly anythig that can stand in your way
"Cryovolcanic" isn't "hot and very cold at the same time" it's just cold. Pluto and several of the moons around gas giants in the solar system we live in are cryovolanic, with liquid methane or other super-cold fluids which behave similarly to how volcanoes behave on Earth but at much, *much* lower temperatures.
You can remove that Comm Relay because the independents don't have any planet on the system
Astral is amazing :D
All hail the double tap 💪 👍
the apogee is remarkably good against fighters, when piloted by a player. the AI just spams out the 'flares' too much so you can counter them with numbers or simple timing.
Unleash the bees!
I guess you now need to fight the Persian league and Ludic church alliance.
Well, you could just leave these 13 crewmembers, saying they they were just acting "sus"
Nah how would i tell there grandmas
Love the series so far. Is there any chance you do a space Rome empire series 😅😂.
Check the channel for the imperium playthrough
LEGION!!!!
really enjoying this thanks btw.. had binged first 5 episodes before hitting like :( keep going :) ps. how do you see shield strengths?
As for ship names, surely planets could be renamed too? I want to see planet bob dammit.
Shield = flux though some ships or mods increase or decrease the efficiency and yes you can name things :)
I read somewhere abandoning a planet then recolonizing it fixes the "decivilized" debuff but I have yet to do this so unconfirmed for me.
Oh interesting worth a try at somepoint
Can confirm this works in vanilla, but also... the debuff is a buff - it comes with an increase to colony growth rate. If you want your colony to increase fast, it might be worth the hit to your stability.
Love the content but sometimes I wonder... just how "knurd" (yes I spelled that right, backwards *lol*) ThreatX is when recording episodes? 🤣
Never drank alcohol in my entire life I am just naturally stupid 😅
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Hey threatX, how'd you find the Prism Freeport? I randomized my sector as well and I can't seem to find it
Hmm i normally find it in a nebular in the core systems (they are quite uncommon so easy to spot)
From which nation do you get the Heron Carrier? I searched all the nations but never found one
Independents seem to sell them quite often
Do you mean the pirates? And thanks for the quick answer.@@ThreatX
no as in the grey faction called independents
Id love to see you play an evil character on Baldurs Gate 3😂😂
No chance lol I hate being bad
A conquest victory in cycle 208? What did the AI do?! I have never seen that happen.
Mad right no idea
@@ThreatX The Nexerelin mod is notorious for having one faction "win" very early unless you mod in additional factions.
It makes me think you have never played Baldur's Gate 2, or even the original for that matter, to call the most recent a masterpiece so blithely as that. Good, I could get on board with good. Tell me a 6 man party isn't the best for crpg, go on and try me. How about the ability to create an entire party of my own creation?! When I run a game I too have a philosophy of "Well, you can try it" with regard to players going completely off the rails and trying something suicidal, fine. What I never do is introduce a beholder to a group of FOUR level FOUR ADVENTURERS after having just told them that if they enter a particular area they will be absurdly underpowered and should therefore stay where we are for the "Balanced" encounters.
I have not 4k and old games do not mix well I actually like having the crafted party members I tend to just make my main char and thats it
Dear Lord the Flash bangs are so annoying especially at 1:00 am it is making my eyes water, otherwise loving the series like always
Give some mods to give a ship a fighter bay and suddenly any ship can become a carrier :P
decided that was against the rules or i can just use my normal ships and pretend they are carriers
I mean, AC6 came close to a game of the year for me but yes, BG3 wins.
going to be honest, I'm a bit dissapointed you didn't turn the legion into carrying a bunch of heavy bombers given the name of the series.
Great strategy,keep it up
So much frothing 🤣
Where can i download the game?
and what mod are you using?
check the description for both answers
@@ThreatX thank you😊 hope you got a new super carrier in the next vid😁
Wait, I have never seen the game end due to an AI faction winning. I guess that is due to Randomized Core start.
I must admit it was quite the surprise when it popped up
Nexerelin Mod
Why don't you play baldur's gate?
played it on release and in terms of TH-cam missed the bandwagon by a quarter of a year
Hegemony is pronounced like the G is a J.
He je mony
Im actually English so we do not add in a j