You are the 1st main stream investor and hobbyist with clout that has articulated the SGC brand and placement within the hobby with clear reasoning & expectations.
@@vegasjoe2315 I mean I like sgc and have submitted back when there grading prices were reasonable. They are pretending be psa with there current prices and there slabs have only gone down in value in last 3 to 4 months I can't believe are submitting to them at 40 a card basically after shipping you better be getting a 9.5 or better
Hey Ryan, yep put a screw driver in that groove and twist. Do it all around the frame and the top and bottom separate quite easily. I love SGC right now (so not a hater) and have done multiple submissions with them. That’s the easiest way to crack if you get an off grade.
I really love the black border of the slabs. Honestly my biggest deterrent as far as eye appeal is the actual label. I feel like it just looks like something my kid could make and print off in Microsoft Word. Am I the only one??? Great video man
Factor in your time (estimate 15 minutes). If you purchase, list, ship, grading fee's/seller fee's and come ahead $10-15 bucks for a graded card, that comes to $40-60 an hour worth of work if you do this with 4 cards. Not too shabby. Love the video's!
Love SGC. Have several SGC graded cards. I have a few Larry bird autos 10/10 graded in the tux slab that are my absolute favorites. Not a huge fan of the downtown’s as I feel panini puts too much of that stuff out in there products but I will say that Pat Tillman downtown is an absolutely fantastic card. I would keep that in my PC for sure! Congrats on the 10!
Just sent mine in yesterday. Trout Us175 Lamelo Instant Breakaway Trae Young Slam winter holo. The Trout isn't getting a 9.5. But needs to be slabbed. The other 2 are super low pop. Like 2. Lol. Wish me luck! Thanks for the reveal Ryan.
I see some older SGC like that LeBron in smaller holders. Skinnier and the label down closer to the card like you mentioned - interesting. Seems like they went from slim to bigger. Probably a one-size thing to help same money - which makes sense since they don't charge for the upgrade to bigger holder. I'm not a fan of SGC, but that nice large black holder looks great on the LeBron for display purposes.
Awesome submission return. Im glad to hear positive remarks about SGC. All collector's need to have an open mind and not be so narrow minded as to just liking one grading company. Yes we all know PSA is the Mack Daddy when it comes to ROI. I have plenty PSA10 cards that have no way of being a 9 let alone a 10. Hopefully PSA's new A.I. cuts down on false grades.
To Crack open old sgc I used a Swiss army knife the bottle opener to pop the case, but the new ones don't know. Bgs I use a wire cutters and screwdriver flat head. Psa I've never done that because it's messy and could damage the card.
Awesome vid bro, I’ve been on and off about SGC however I’ve always liked the simplicity of their slabs and how some cards can stand out so well. You made some great points on the state of the grading market atm, it’s literally an endless debate. Hope to connect with you at a show soon!
Ive used sgc a couple times. I'm not sure why people don't really desire sgc graded cards, but my experience is that they don't sell very well or for what they should. I'm hoping that changes but we'll see.
I actually like the “tuxedo” look. I agree with you Ryan, in that the auto grade should be on the edge of the label. I appreciate the fact that SGC doesn’t hand out 10s often like some of the other lesser grading companies do. I think that PSA would benefit from including a 9.5 grade like SGC, Beckett, et al. They have half grades for all the other numbers, but that jump from 9 straight to 10 could be the difference of thousands of dollars, unfortunately.
Congrats on the great return and man that LeBron slab was HUGE!! Also love the pat Tillman and Herbert green velocity!! Have you seen the HGA custom pay Tillman card it is so clean!!
Totally get that. I think it was to help get group submitters more cards and to funnel cards through them. For instance, we charge $37 / card, not $75 like they charge on their website. Something to consider.
Hockey cards are so Beckett dominate. I'm not sure if the Canadian market drives that preference or not, but I always have to send my hockey cards to BGS to increase my margins with NHL fans. Just interesting how the different markets/sports take to certain grading services. I wonder if SGC will corner a certain sport or market after the PSA stoppage.
Im a fan of the black borders but the label itself is kind of lackluster. Not a big deal if your selling them but for a personal collection Id wait for a label update.
it seems like there is a huge gap in resale value right now. i have an sgc 10 chrome ohtani rc that sells for two times less than a psa 10. it's cracked in the corner (poor shipping), so i'm thinking it could be worth submitting to psa instead.
No point moving the grade and auto on the SGC slab as non auto labels are on that side. People would possibly get confused as you are moving them around for either auto or non auto.
I mainly grade with sgc and do well. The basketball market has gone cold for me (mainly 90s bball). I have not sent in anything yet at the $35 but will shortly. I do agree with you that these grading companies will fall into tiers. BGS for super high-end and autos, psa for all middle to high-end, then it gets interesting. Either SGC becomes the Honda (which would be great because there’s a ton of Honda’s on the road) or they shit the bed again. Do you think you’ll build the $37 into the price now even if comps don’t support it right now?
Thanks for this! Two questions for you: You had some higher end stuff in here than I would’ve expected like the Herbert and Burrow at the end. What’s your upper limit of sending to SGC vs Super Express? My other question is around the base card flood we saw at PSA. Do you see value in Edwards/Lamelo/Haliburton base stuff going to SGC or is that stuff just better suited raw now?
6:37 why would you use a grading system that where you would say you lost money on a 9 mint grade ? that doesn't make sense ... i never heard of anyone saying they were unhappy with a 9 much less they were going to lose money on it ... can't watch anymore after that statement
Much cheaper option, but besides PC stuff the ROI is just not there on SGC slabs. They tend to go for 30-60 percent of what a PSA graded gem mint goes for. I did my own test and will not submit to them again.
If i sent in a card to sgc and i think its a 9 and thats worth 3500, but it ends up being a 7-8 which is under 1500, would i get the difference back between grading fees? or should i send everything in at the $30 and wait for upcharges? im not sure if they will grade less due to me paying less...if that makes sense, any help please:P
No expert here but just guessing about the large slab, I think maybe this company started with comics so maybe, assuming that's true, they would already be tooled and supplied up for that size. Might also explain the 0$ extra price. just a guess from a total hobby rookie. (pardon the pun)
Sgc is no joke if you fend off center top or bottom they use the real scale , psa if the rest of the card is clean they can give the card a higher grade even with a lower centering grade it says so on there site
Man ive subbed some cards to SGC and they are very tough to move. Not trying to be negative just realistic. They grade tough and their cards dont sell well. Lose lose in my opinion.
I had just mailed some stuff into SGC the day before they raised the prices....they still charged me $75 each card instead of $25....a couple of the cards were worth grading at $25...not $75....thanks SGC for the overcharge
Ya they are outrageous right now. I think they just want submissions to stop they are charging prices it's not worth sending to them you will lose money on most cards because sgc values have came down alot in the last few months. I like sgc but based off there current market value they shouldn't be charging more then 15 to 20 bucks
Hate to say it..but when you use SGC you will see they grade way too strict and charge way too much to be a viable option because their market value just isn't there to justify their cost..Not hating on them just stating a fact..the only cards you should send them to profit on are luka lebron james kobe tom brady rookies etc..But who wants to send them there if you could make double with PSA..They need to drop their pricing..I don't plan on using them again anytime soon..But do what you do..And good luck!
TVM - Time Value of Money, that's what everyone is missing the boat on - been preaching that for months on boards... and I'm the crazy one. Why pay PSA high prices AND wait a year for your cards to come back when the value may not be there a year from now. Too much downside risk in that proposition. Trust me, once you submit to SGC, CSG or HGA you will be freed of the PSA brainwashing that only they know how to grade correctly and you will get a million $ for every slab. Wait till there AI system clamps down on 10's.
Buy the card, not the holder. Noticed most of you guys comment on how you like SGC for the slab. But I also notice those same people don't comment on the reason for sending cards in the first place, GRADING!!
HGA for me personally is better than these other companies. HGA having AI is the most consistent way to grade cards. I know they pass it through AI and actual workers to do the eye test as well. I just personally think HGA is onto something and PSA is noticing that and they are trying to make their move toward AI grading now. I know its controversial, but I also think that grades from HGA, because of the AI grading. Means they are worth more than PSA cards. Especially when PSA has no 9.5, so you have no idea if your card was border line 10 or not. That decision is subjective to the grader. I dont like that myself. HGA 9s to me are better than PSA 10s and HGA 9.5s are far better than PSA 10s. This all just my opinion though. I feel HGA is the harder grade right now and ROI should be reflected into that.
There's a reason SGC cards don't sell: Inaccurate grading. Saying they grade "tough" is just another word for inaccurate. Yet all modern cards get 9's and 10's. That Zac Moss card @7:45 had a dimple/surface damage and it got a 9 anyway? LOL
Im definitely holding off for psa. Sgc don't get market value unless it comes back a 10. Unfortunately, because they are a legit company. GMA, is a joke. I bought a couple 10's slabs off ebay, cracked them looking for an easy flip and 90 percent of the cards had issues. My test was done with GMA. Beckett, got no idea what thier doing it this point. They need some real leaders. They missed the boat the last two years
The SGC slabs don't look that great IMO...kinda looks cheap. And of course more importantly, it just doesnt come close enough to PSA or even BGS value-wise
@@cardcollector2 definitely not a viable option for the current market value of a sgc slab. I know alot about the values of sgc at 37 a card plays shipping they are simple not an option unless your getting 10s and they do grade fairly tough so most will get 9s and 9.5s which is why they will be a quick turnaround right now because most realize they are not a option if your a reseller. If it's for pc sure they are great option nice looking slab but the sales data does not justify there current prices and it's not close
You talk about cheap on this company but what about GMA 20 dollar a card get them back same card just in a different slab doesnt make since to hype this up when GMA gradeing should be respected as well so Respect the Sports card world
The cards look great in the tux slab. I'm definitely a fan of SGC slabs and their newer label
That Pat Tillman is my favorite card of the order. That's truly beautiful.
Thanks! My favorite of the batch for sure!
@@cardcollector2 I got some rare lebron items email me @ goohiost8@gmail.com for pics. Items you can't find anymore
SGC been popping off compared to others lately
nice stuff big fan of SGC
Love to hear that! You’re a hobby pro so if you’re a fan, I feel great about it!
You are the 1st main stream investor and hobbyist with clout that has articulated the SGC brand and placement within the hobby with clear reasoning & expectations.
There current prices they have no place in the hobby unless you like lighting money on fire
I'm pretty sure sgc is paying him to do this so just keep that in mind before you throw money away
@@vegasjoe2315 I wouldent grade anything with sgc at the current price they are charging. It's outrageous they don't sell well at all would lose money
@@PIP-zf9yb yea I agree bro I personally dont by anything that isn't psa
@@vegasjoe2315 I mean I like sgc and have submitted back when there grading prices were reasonable. They are pretending be psa with there current prices and there slabs have only gone down in value in last 3 to 4 months I can't believe are submitting to them at 40 a card basically after shipping you better be getting a 9.5 or better
Cards display much better in SGC....period
Biggest 🧢 I’ve heard today
SGC best in the business! Love them!
vintage looks so good in sgc. the black looks good with cards without a ton of color
I love the sgc slabs, I prefer them over Beckett
Interesting. I’ll see how I feel a few months from now, but always felt BGS slabs were great. Quality and design are top notch.
The only problem is I heard the scratch super easy so you should get some graded sleeves
@@Devilsfan-pd8ov true, I sleeve mine rite away but have gotten subs back and they come scratched, it’s like, really sgc?
That Tillman card, wow!
Hey Ryan, yep put a screw driver in that groove and twist. Do it all around the frame and the top and bottom separate quite easily. I love SGC right now (so not a hater) and have done multiple submissions with them. That’s the easiest way to crack if you get an off grade.
I really love the black border of the slabs. Honestly my biggest deterrent as far as eye appeal is the actual label. I feel like it just looks like something my kid could make and print off in Microsoft Word. Am I the only one??? Great video man
Factor in your time (estimate 15 minutes). If you purchase, list, ship, grading fee's/seller fee's and come ahead $10-15 bucks for a graded card, that comes to $40-60 an hour worth of work if you do this with 4 cards. Not too shabby. Love the video's!
Love SGC. Have several SGC graded cards. I have a few Larry bird autos 10/10 graded in the tux slab that are my absolute favorites. Not a huge fan of the downtown’s as I feel panini puts too much of that stuff out in there products but I will say that Pat Tillman downtown is an absolutely fantastic card. I would keep that in my PC for sure! Congrats on the 10!
Just sent mine in yesterday.
Trout Us175
Lamelo Instant Breakaway
Trae Young Slam winter holo.
The Trout isn't getting a 9.5. But needs to be slabbed. The other 2 are super low pop. Like 2. Lol. Wish me luck!
Thanks for the reveal Ryan.
Love that '57 Mantle!
Man the Pokemon look nice in the black border
Love SGC
Great recap. Thanks for sharing man
BTW love the Tillman card, true patriot, definitely on my list of cards to get.
I love that Alphonso Davies card,he is helping Canada get to the world cup.
It's awesome than PSA I like it.
Glad how you made it real on the rice RC. I guess you have to give a try for the 7/8
Wow that Pat Tillman is such a cool card
I see some older SGC like that LeBron in smaller holders. Skinnier and the label down closer to the card like you mentioned - interesting. Seems like they went from slim to bigger. Probably a one-size thing to help same money - which makes sense since they don't charge for the upgrade to bigger holder. I'm not a fan of SGC, but that nice large black holder looks great on the LeBron for display purposes.
Awesome submission return. Im glad to hear positive remarks about SGC. All collector's need to have an open mind and not be so narrow minded as to just liking one grading company. Yes we all know PSA is the Mack Daddy when it comes to ROI. I have plenty PSA10 cards that have no way of being a 9 let alone a 10. Hopefully PSA's new A.I. cuts down on false grades.
I got my SGC order the night before they changed the price today. I have done many transactions with SGC.
To Crack open old sgc I used a Swiss army knife the bottle opener to pop the case, but the new ones don't know.
Bgs I use a wire cutters and screwdriver flat head.
Psa I've never done that because it's messy and could damage the card.
Awesome vid bro, I’ve been on and off about SGC however I’ve always liked the simplicity of their slabs and how some cards can stand out so well. You made some great points on the state of the grading market atm, it’s literally an endless debate. Hope to connect with you at a show soon!
Pat Tillman one of the cooler cards I’ve seen
That big sign nice I have Kobe and Carmelo big signs on the way I’ll be sending them to SGC also...
I wasn't going to send anything in for grading until PSA opens back up but yo the black borders are sick!
That bill man is bad arse..
The chrome cards look great against black.
What up cardcollector 2
Great to see other grading brands getting some love. Do you think in the next upcoming card shows or next year there will be more SGC slabs out?
I think thats the big question. I guess we'll see!
Ive used sgc a couple times. I'm not sure why people don't really desire sgc graded cards, but my experience is that they don't sell very well or for what they should. I'm hoping that changes but we'll see.
I actually like the “tuxedo” look. I agree with you Ryan, in that the auto grade should be on the edge of the label. I appreciate the fact that SGC doesn’t hand out 10s often like some of the other lesser grading companies do. I think that PSA would benefit from including a 9.5 grade like SGC, Beckett, et al. They have half grades for all the other numbers, but that jump from 9 straight to 10 could be the difference of thousands of dollars, unfortunately.
I'm a BGS guy through and through.
Congrats on the great return and man that LeBron slab was HUGE!! Also love the pat Tillman and Herbert green velocity!! Have you seen the HGA custom pay Tillman card it is so clean!!
HGA is actually pretty good
AWESOME VIDEO..🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
are bids on ebay the best way to get a deal I usually just make on offer
Have you done any hga submissions?
I really love the SGC slab. Not crazy about the price raise though.
Totally get that. I think it was to help get group submitters more cards and to funnel cards through them. For instance, we charge $37 / card, not $75 like they charge on their website. Something to consider.
Hockey cards are so Beckett dominate. I'm not sure if the Canadian market drives that preference or not, but I always have to send my hockey cards to BGS to increase my margins with NHL fans. Just interesting how the different markets/sports take to certain grading services. I wonder if SGC will corner a certain sport or market after the PSA stoppage.
Im a fan of the black borders but the label itself is kind of lackluster. Not a big deal if your selling them but for a personal collection Id wait for a label update.
Do they accept ticket stubs? & if they do, do you think it will come in the same holder as that lebron
it seems like there is a huge gap in resale value right now. i have an sgc 10 chrome ohtani rc that sells for two times less than a psa 10. it's cracked in the corner (poor shipping), so i'm thinking it could be worth submitting to psa instead.
How did that lebron get a 9 with those marks across the middle of the card
I've seen auto grades less than a 10 with SGC lol.
No point moving the grade and auto on the SGC slab as non auto labels are on that side. People would possibly get confused as you are moving them around for either auto or non auto.
I mainly grade with sgc and do well. The basketball market has gone cold for me (mainly 90s bball). I have not sent in anything yet at the $35 but will shortly. I do agree with you that these grading companies will fall into tiers. BGS for super high-end and autos, psa for all middle to high-end, then it gets interesting. Either SGC becomes the Honda (which would be great because there’s a ton of Honda’s on the road) or they shit the bed again. Do you think you’ll build the $37 into the price now even if comps don’t support it right now?
Did sgc raise prices to $75?
Thanks for this! Two questions for you: You had some higher end stuff in here than I would’ve expected like the Herbert and Burrow at the end. What’s your upper limit of sending to SGC vs Super Express? My other question is around the base card flood we saw at PSA. Do you see value in Edwards/Lamelo/Haliburton base stuff going to SGC or is that stuff just better suited raw now?
Jersey number grade on that Elway - extra value.
Hahaha that’s funny didn’t think of that 😂
6:37 why would you use a grading system that where you would say you lost money on a 9 mint grade ? that doesn't make sense ... i never heard of anyone saying they were unhappy with a 9 much less they were going to lose money on it ... can't watch anymore after that statement
Much cheaper option, but besides PC stuff the ROI is just not there on SGC slabs. They tend to go for 30-60 percent of what a PSA graded gem mint goes for. I did my own test and will not submit to them again.
I like sgc
wouldnt say PSA is better... just more popular...
love the burrow card
If i sent in a card to sgc and i think its a 9 and thats worth 3500, but it ends up being a 7-8 which is under 1500, would i get the difference back between grading fees? or should i send everything in at the $30 and wait for upcharges? im not sure if they will grade less due to me paying less...if that makes sense, any help please:P
No expert here but just guessing about the large slab, I think maybe this company started with comics so maybe, assuming that's true, they would already be tooled and supplied up for that size. Might also explain the 0$ extra price. just a guess from a total hobby rookie. (pardon the pun)
When you coming back to the Xenia show? That is a nice sized show with some decent stuff. Take care.
What’s CC2 eBay? Couldn’t find it searching
Cardcollector2_sportscards
Sgc is no joke if you fend off center top or bottom they use the real scale , psa if the rest of the card is clean they can give the card a higher grade even with a lower centering grade it says so on there site
Man ive subbed some cards to SGC and they are very tough to move. Not trying to be negative just realistic. They grade tough and their cards dont sell well. Lose lose in my opinion.
Time vs money. Price your SGC slabs to move and pay for the next submission. Good luck Cliff!
I believe the wall behind Tillman is the Veterans Memorial. Awesome card.
I had just mailed some stuff into SGC the day before they raised the prices....they still charged me $75 each card instead of $25....a couple of the cards were worth grading at $25...not $75....thanks SGC for the overcharge
Ya they are outrageous right now. I think they just want submissions to stop they are charging prices it's not worth sending to them you will lose money on most cards because sgc values have came down alot in the last few months. I like sgc but based off there current market value they shouldn't be charging more then 15 to 20 bucks
Hate to say it..but when you use SGC you will see they grade way too strict and charge way too much to be a viable option because their market value just isn't there to justify their cost..Not hating on them just stating a fact..the only cards you should send them to profit on are luka lebron james kobe tom brady rookies etc..But who wants to send them there if you could make double with PSA..They need to drop their pricing..I don't plan on using them again anytime soon..But do what you do..And good luck!
#truth
Nailed it. Plus you can snap a card out with you bare hands. Junk slabs
TVM - Time Value of Money, that's what everyone is missing the boat on - been preaching that for months on boards... and I'm the crazy one. Why pay PSA high prices AND wait a year for your cards to come back when the value may not be there a year from now. Too much downside risk in that proposition. Trust me, once you submit to SGC, CSG or HGA you will be freed of the PSA brainwashing that only they know how to grade correctly and you will get a million $ for every slab. Wait till there AI system clamps down on 10's.
Any company that consistently made 15% profit would most likely be very pleased.
Agreed!
Save your money and go with PSA/BGS
Hi friend
Buy the card, not the holder. Noticed most of you guys comment on how you like SGC for the slab. But I also notice those same people don't comment on the reason for sending cards in the first place, GRADING!!
That gigantic case is hideous. 😬 love the cards though. Great return
HGA for me personally is better than these other companies. HGA having AI is the most consistent way to grade cards. I know they pass it through AI and actual workers to do the eye test as well. I just personally think HGA is onto something and PSA is noticing that and they are trying to make their move toward AI grading now. I know its controversial, but I also think that grades from HGA, because of the AI grading. Means they are worth more than PSA cards. Especially when PSA has no 9.5, so you have no idea if your card was border line 10 or not. That decision is subjective to the grader. I dont like that myself. HGA 9s to me are better than PSA 10s and HGA 9.5s are far better than PSA 10s. This all just my opinion though. I feel HGA is the harder grade right now and ROI should be reflected into that.
PSA is overrated was just the first company that had a monopoly long enough.
There's a reason SGC cards don't sell: Inaccurate grading. Saying they grade "tough" is just another word for inaccurate. Yet all modern cards get 9's and 10's. That Zac Moss card @7:45 had a dimple/surface damage and it got a 9 anyway? LOL
Im definitely holding off for psa. Sgc don't get market value unless it comes back a 10. Unfortunately, because they are a legit company. GMA, is a joke. I bought a couple 10's slabs off ebay, cracked them looking for an easy flip and 90 percent of the cards had issues. My test was done with GMA. Beckett, got no idea what thier doing it this point. They need some real leaders. They missed the boat the last two years
87 to 110 isnt 13 its 23.
Lol good catch 😂
10's are extremely hard to get from scg. Would try and do more research on value
Idk, I got 7/9 10s on my sgc order
The SGC slabs don't look that great IMO...kinda looks cheap. And of course more importantly, it just doesnt come close enough to PSA or even BGS value-wise
SGC is an incredibly easy crack, unfortunately.
Sgc isn't a viable option currently with there outrageous prices and not very good market value
$37 isn’t outrageous.
@@cardcollector2 definitely not a viable option for the current market value of a sgc slab. I know alot about the values of sgc at 37 a card plays shipping they are simple not an option unless your getting 10s and they do grade fairly tough so most will get 9s and 9.5s which is why they will be a quick turnaround right now because most realize they are not a option if your a reseller. If it's for pc sure they are great option nice looking slab but the sales data does not justify there current prices and it's not close
@@cardcollector2 I thought they raised it to $75 ?
@@kevincloonan9787 I see $75, How would Rice Rookie work at $75??
69th like... nice.
Can’t stand the sgc slabs , look and feel cheap, also not worth as much. Nice turnaround time though
Please stop saying $37 is a good price.
No offense but you talk a bit too much, get into the content bud.
You talk about cheap on this company but what about GMA 20 dollar a card get them back same card just in a different slab doesnt make since to hype this up when GMA gradeing should be respected as well so Respect the Sports card world