GREAT GLASSPAR: DeSoto Hemi-Powered 1953 Glasspar G2 Fiberglass-Bodied Roadster | EP27
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- Three-on-the-tree, swoopy low slung doors and boat-inspired seats? Yes, please. Powered by a low-deck 1955 291ci DeSoto Hemi pushing 235 horsepower on 1940s Ford running gear, the lightweight fiberglass roadster raced at Laguna Seca by its original builder and owner of 60 years, Emilio Pistoresi. Now residing in the collection at Del Dios Motorclub, the very rare 1953 Glasspar G2 in its vibrant copper color is a weird experience in the modern world, testing Jeff Phillips' bravery as Nicole cruises San Diego's historic Del Dios Highway.
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Jeff formed Del Dios Motorclub from his personal car collection in an effort to keep history alive in the classic car world. His passion is hearing the stories of the cars and learning about their owners. Jeff frequently hosts car shows on his 10-acre historic estate in Escondido, California, and can be spotted on weekends at various Cars & Coffee events in the San Diego area.
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"Jeff, we're only doing 40." 🤗 You know Nicole does her homework when she knows so many details about the running gear before she shows up. What an elegant car. Thanks for sharing with us!
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@@rsonweb2060 a little of both. I know I would. That was the mildest test drive of the series thus far, at least from what i have seen and remember. Truly epic. And because the unscripted dynamic banter was so well played, it really drew in the fans as though we were on the drive with y'all.
Getting to peer inside another realm of automotive history, honestly-this episode sparked my soul, because I had no idea these cars even existed. So when Nicole and studios expose our minds even deeper into the flavor of car design... it totally washes away any troubles from the day before.
So, thank you crew! Thank you artisans who hold fast to art and history. Brilliant stuff.
@josephianfranklin thank you for the kind words!
I’ve never understood why people drive those old cars without seatbelts. That’s scary! He obviously fully understood the ramifications of no belts, but didn’t install them. ??? I grew up driving cars without belts, but I was glad when they started installing them at the factory as stock.
@@pat8988Sammy Davis, the famous Bentley Le Mans driver and sometime Autocar Editor, reportedly survived a crash because he was thrown out of the car and subsequently refused to wear seatbelts, due to that experience. You need to remember that telescoping OR side-folding steering columns took a while to be adopted and many vehicles lacked the safety capsule approach up until quite recently. The Landrover Series I, II, III and original Defender vehicles are classic examples thereof.
Also, if you ever wondered about the inspiration for that silly bodywork destroying gadget in the Grease movie, it may have been the damage caused to fabric bodies by knockoff hubs during car racing.
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Every episode is an event. You are a special person. Thank you, Nicole. You bless us.
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this is not a car Nicole......................THIS IS ART. THIS IS A BAROQUE ART MASTERPIECE. thanks for this Nicole. it s a gift video 🖤❤🖤
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Very classy and the crackle of that old hemi .... I could totally tune the world out driving that.
its fun
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One of the coolest episodes. My dad had a Glasspar G3. I had no idea they made car bodies. So cool. Old school movie star class.
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Omg! I had a 65 Buick Sportwagon and always loved it and thought it was special. So glad to see a true aficionado can appreciate it!
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on of my favorite cars
Another awesome car video by Nicole ! Such a joy to watch and she is an inspiration to all woman that they can love cars as deeply as her !
GREAT JOB NICOLE ! love you !!!!!!!
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Thank you for bringing so many amazing cars to us viewers. The terra cotta paint job matching the neighborhood roofing tiles speaks so much to the era of the car. That "3 on the tree" became natural to you so quickly, perhaps well editted? Nah, your driving skills are epic! My favorite part is that the owner/caretaker of the car is nervous about the speed at 40mph, as most people would be when feeling bias ply tires for the first time. Old Canadians will remember when temps fell below -10F and the contact patch of the tire would freeze flat and you could drive on "square" tires. Too COOL!
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Love that 1940 Ford steering wheel and column in that car. It is perfect!
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Sublime editing, Nicole’s knowledge and chemistry with her guests make for watchable viewing every time!
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The steering wheel, column, and the shifter are 1940 Ford. In the early seventies I had a friend that had a Glasspar. It was on a 1941 Willys frame with a 312 Ford Y-block and Ford-o-matic transmission. I drove it a lot. It was lightweight and fun. Almost every car had bias ply tires and drum brakes back then, so it felt normal to me. This brings back some memories. Thanks!
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The history and knowledge of this beauty is out standing and once again you have out done yourself with the people and the car
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The best part of the car is the exhaust note. Thwap-Thwap-Thwap. It's fantastic.
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Yep...thick and flappy. Love it.
I knew it looks familiar. San Diego, I miss you so much. You'll always be in my heart❤
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I have had a black 1979 Porsche 928 5-sp since 1999. Love it! So glad he has one.
Nice!!! Thanks for sharing!!
I would love the 90 second story in a video we will be launching our web site to do that next week
Big old MOPAR fan, love those old HEMIS. Thanks for being so knowledgeable and enthusiastic with your show. You have a new fan.
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Owner-thanks for showing you car! Nicole, thanks for being so good to the clutch and gears-your experience as a driver really shows.
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glad you enjoyed the car its all about history and people
I grew up in the 1950s-1960s and 'three on the tree' was the most favored option in manual transmissions.
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What a neat car! Beautiful restoration. The 3 in the tree reminds me of when I used to work at a tire shop. A guy brought in an old Biscayne and my coworker couldn't figure it out. "It's an automatic, but it has a clutch pedal!" LOL. 🤣🤣🤣🤣Thankfully, my dad taught me how to drive column shift on an old Chevelle before he converted it to a 4 speed Muncie when I was a kid. And no...I'm not that old. I was just brought up around old cars.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing!!
I currently own two Glasspars, and owned another before these two. The first one was the Mameco Glasspar, now restored by Mark Brinker and Hatfield Restorations. The second was built by John Knebel and has the Nash grill. It will be going on Bring a Trailer soon. The third is a single door body that had never been built.
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Wow really cool. Hatfield did the resto on this one I think he told me he bought it as a model for a restoration on the one he showed at pebble beach
Now you are just bragging! What a beautiful design these were.
The blue Pebble Beach car was mine for years. Mark and I made a deal, part of the deal being it was made like new. I wouldn't of let it go for a restomod. It is too important a car.
Your productions are hands-down, my favorite. It's the interesting vehicles, the in-depth interviews, the quality production, but most of all, Nicole's infectious enthuiasism. I really appreciate that you are a real car person who has the skills to drive anything and can push it, and not just a host who doesn't know much and only goes for a ride.
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Thank you Nicole and Jeff. Beautiful properly restored car. Good to keep it genuine. Nice historical link between the Allard J2 and AC Cobra era.
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I still have this 1953 book by Maurice Lannon in which he describes how to build a fiberglass car body. There are a few photographs of the Glasspar as an example. The book title was " Polyester and Fiberglass and information on some other plastics.
How cool!! Thank you for sharing!!
Soooo beautiful! Great curves, great colour. What a genuine work of art. Thank you so much Nicole!
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I agree that this car may have inspired the 1953 Corvette. But, how about the 1956 MG-A?
I thought the car was pretty cool too. Oh, wait, you were talking about the car, not Nichole. Sorry, my error.
The "again Jeff we're only doing 40" made me laugh. Jeff was afraid, very afraid. 😂
In all fairness...it's not easy to ride shotgun when someone else is driving your car!!! Thanks for watching!!
Another gem. I could watch these interviews all day they are so interesting. Well done again.
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What an excellent show! Love that you have such a knowledgeable host who lets the guest talk. And none of those multiple fast cuts which a the sign of a show lacking substance. Great job by all who put this together!!
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I've been so captivated with your onscreen interaction, Nicole, that I've neglected to give credit to your video team for their work to make this look so good. The hats really complement the color of the car, and the drone footage is sheer art! Great work, team!
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Thank You again! For bringing me a car I know about.. but didn't really KNOW about. I knew of Glasspar and I was used to hearing about a 292 Hemi, but when I heard you referencing a 291 Hemi, I was intrigued as I know you know your stuff. Found the different Desoto size Hemis and gained some extra knowledge today! I also love that I know EXACTLY where the home/roads are and will keep my eyes peeled for some cool rides heading down Del Dios!
Keep it up, Please!
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When I was 15, I bought a 56' Plymouth from one of the locals in our farming community! Since I didn't have my Driver's License yet & we lived on a farm, I proceeded to remove EVERYTHING except the front seat, the dash & we cut the roof just behind the front seat (in case it rained), & cut the exhaust just after the manifolds (for that open-header sound)! 🤣
It had a 267.5 cu. in. 2 Barrel V8 with a Push-Button Automatic Transmission from the Factory. We used to "tear-up the fields with it, tear-up the gravel-roads, pull-power turns on the gravel-roads & occasionally take it to HWY 23 & do "Brake-Stands" on the Pavement! 🤣
This is one of the vehicles that I learned to drive on & I "passed my Driving Test 1st Time Out"!😮
When I finally got my Driver's License, I wasn't really using this "jetney" very much, so I sold it to a friend from High School. He put the engine & transmission in a Rambler & he told me that it was a Great little engine, till one day his girlfriend's 14 yr. old sister "stole-it" & over-heated the engine & it was "toast" when she was done with it! 😭
BTW, I learned to drive a "Three on the Tree" when my dad gave me his old 57' Fargo Pkp. to use on the farm as "another jetney"!🤠
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Nicole Johnson, professional automobile enthusiast, monster truck racer, World Extreme Rock Crawling Competitor, has never driven a three on the tree? Well, there's a first time for everything! Keep showing us these amazing machines Johnson!
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season 3, here we come !
thanks Nicole and the team
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That’s a cool car! Have a great rest of your weekend Nicole.✌️😎🇺🇸
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The unique cars you show are always worth the watch, THANK YOU.
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"Have you ever been in the passenger seat?" I love that you ask this; What trust these owners have in you bag the "first times"! Great content again.
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Your shows are awesome.
I think you found the coolest 70 year old car made.
I love that you made Jeff nervous.
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Nicole I always look forward to these videos. Along with the featured vehicle your genuine enthusiasm, sense of humor and car knowledge is very enjoyable.
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Thanks for going out into the weeds a bit with the different types of DeSoto Hemi engines - sounds like you took Jeff to school a bit. Beautiful car - I'd never even heard of it til now so thanks for that as well. Another great episode.
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NJ& Jeff .................thanks for the video !!!!
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The steering wheel looks like a 1940 Ford wheel. Gorgeous car ❤👌👍
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Once again, thanks for taking us along for the drive. (More! More! More!...)
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Love del dios highway and Hernandez hideaway. Amazing cars amazing garage
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Nice video. What an incredible, historical car. I remember that car.
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That little Hemi has an awesome sound to it. Btw, I also love the way the Chrysler-powered Ghia has a grill that looks like it came out of a 1971 Ford Torino.
Ford bought the Ghia brand around 1970
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@@DelDiosMotorClub that could explain it.
Guess I "drove" my first Glasspar back in the late 50s and early 60s. Engine was a little smaller and somewhat less energetic. Had to keep to the 1 lane ;) We moved to Anaheim the year after D-land opened. Great looking Car !!! (spent a few weeks at Del Dios and The Bridges when each was in their construction state...)
wow you know what the Glasspar was
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Nice work with the the three on the tree, Nicole! The Glasspar looks amazing and I think it's sounds greate too whit the hemi! 👍 Cool garage , may be more too see?? Nice video 😊
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@@NicoleJohnsonsDetour You're welcome, always looking forward to watch your videos 😊
Love the sound of a V8 especially the Hemi.
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This guy doesn't seem to be just a collector but a connoisseur
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thanks I think
It’s fun to watch someone’s first interaction with a 3 on the tree shifter because that’s what I learned on as a teen. Great knowledge on all these auto details. Another excellent video!
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I love this show! Thanks Nicole.
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Another great episode and incredibly knowledgable owner.
* The front view makes me think that Roger and Jessica Rabbit should be driving this.
Thank you again for letting us hear the engine and not putting music over the purrrrrrrrrrr.
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Thank you Nicole !!!!
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My grand fathers Chevy C-10 pick up had a three on the tree. The nice thing is you have great mechanical sympathy for unique stuff and it shows in your ability to drive everything. This Glasspar was a gorgeous car. Nice find kiddo!!!
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I am so glad to hear that I am not the only one that loves the 928. Such a great car. Can we see you drive and love it someday?
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Oh, there you are... Been wondering. Great to see!
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Nicole, I'm so proud of you! You just get right in there and do it. I'm so appreciative of how much you know about automotive history as well. This is a great episode and what a terrific gentleman the owner is too. When I was an very early teenager cars like this were being built in my home town from GlasSpar bodies and ones from other companies like Devin. Of course, I was hanging around trying to get them to let me help out, but they never did [SIGH]. Now, I'm doing my own from scratch. Maybe someday you'll be putting mine in an episode? Cheers.
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Love the Devin
It really does remind me a bit of my dad's 54 Vette. It really makes one think about the various influences and who was looking at whose designs. Such cool history. Thanks again for another great video.
54 Corvette great car
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That was really cool, the Glasspar looks unreal… like a 3D render or something, drivable art. Wow!
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1978 F150 with 3 on the tree is the first manual I drove as a teenager. You did great; like a pro as always.. 🙂
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Nicole, you are the best
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I never took these cars seriously...until now! You made that car come to life! You talked about DeSoto Hemis. Everybody goes onand on about Chrysler, Dodge and later on, Plymouth Hemis. It was nice to hear what DeSoto did with their Hemis. I'm amazed this engine wore two different manifolds in its career; I suppose dual quads aren't as good on the street as a single carb setup. Your comparison of this car's beautiful copper shade as complementing the orange roofs of the homes in the area is just spot on! It was fun to see a "Seat belts? Who needs 'em!" car being enjoyed with such gusto as you and Jeff did. Absolute aces, you are! Hoping to watch you enjoy more driving! Aloha.
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I had no idea this existed! Thank you so much for sharing this! Gorgeous car!!!
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Makes me feel old when some one says they never drove 3 on the Tree before. There was a time when it was about the most popular Transmission set up out there.
I was born in 1961. The first cars I drove, all three on the Tree. My Fathers '49 Chevy .. his '61 Chevy Belaire 3 on the Tree with Born Warner overdrive 283 CI V-8 so you could drive it like a 5 speed. My Grandfathers 66 International pickup ..his 75 Chevy C-10 with 3 on the Tree and a straight 6 cylinder .. and the pickup that My High Schools Building Trades Class used was a C-10 Chevy with 3 on the tee too .
Thank you for sharing with us!! It was so much fun driving this car..The three on the tree was easier to learn than I expected...super cool experience!!
@@NicoleJohnsonsDetour I had to drive my Grandfathers International pickup across the hay field to pick up hay because at 9 years old I was not big enough to lift the hay bales. First gear is rather tall on my 3 speeds.. The Better option back in the day was the stick shift 4 speeds with a granny low. Under normal street driving you take off in second gear but the granny low was really handy on the farm ect.
What an awesome collection!
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Absolutely magnificent and fabulous DeSoto! Nothing compares to Hemi engine under the hood💪 Mopar or no car!
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A crown jewel from another era. Great job everyone.
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Where art meets gasoline, they don't make them like this anymore sadly. Nicole you get to drive some of the sickest cars on the planet and meet the cool dudes that own them.
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Beautiful Lines, Amazing History, Great Video,Thank You
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GORGEOUS car(and driver)!!❤
When I started driving, all I wanted to drive were manuals. "3 on the tree" is cool to drive and with a bench seat, that special someone can snuggle up beside you!! Maybe the only reason for no seatbelts, LOL!
Currently driving a six speed and once in a while wish I had a 7th......✌🇨🇦
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I had a 1958 Glaspar car topable dinghy I used when I worked on Santa Catalina Island, Two Harbors boat shop. I ran an 8 hp Tohatsu on it. I've owned several Glaspar boats but that car topable was my favorite and I'd bet it would sit on top a Cadillac. Never knew he made a sweet car too!
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hi there very nice thanks for the ride john
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awesome Nicole what a beauty and the sound blew my brain
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"You're driving pretty fast". "We're doing 40". Hilarious!
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she thinks the speedometer works?
She’s a pro driver, calm down!
Gorgeous looking car. Excellent video.
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In 1954 Tony Curtis starred in the movie Johnny Dark. One of the cars in the film was a Glasspar G2, along with a Woodill Wildfire, Victress S1A, Lancer and Grantham Stardust. They used some famous racecar drivers such as Phil Hill as stuntmen. You can watch the movie on TH-cam. I'm glad Nicole didn't watch it beforehand and get any ideas😁. Great video as usual Nicole, thanks!
Interesting....thanks for sharing!! I'm glad I didn't watch it beforehand as well...haha!
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great movie I have watched it several times
That was a great bit of little trivia I could have easily missed. Rosemary Clooney was one of the owners.
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My mother had a DeSoto, but hers was more modest. I remember us kids sitting in it and playing with the push button transmission switches.
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Nicole and the car are simply Beautiful. Thank you for sharing another cool video featuring such an amazing car as the 1953 Glasspar. That was a good year my mom was born in 53. Have a good one Nicole. Have fun take care
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Absolutely stunning car ! Great interview
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Great job as usual, Nicole. Jeff seems like an awesome guy and you two played off each other very well. Oh - and the Glasspar? Amazing.
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I was flabbergasted to hear you neve driven s three on the tree before. Awesome automobile.
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she was amsome
Loved this episode! Such beautiful lines and the motor has a lovely snarl! Please go back and drive the Ghia and Ferrari #QueenMother 👍🏼
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Jeff you are the Man dude! Huge props! Three on the Tree, is how I learned to dive in my Mom's 1962 Ford Falcon Wagon.
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Nicole, I can't know how to tell you how much I appreciate how well you do what you do - "how now" 🤦 you absolutely rock and it's surely on my list to meet you one day 🤞 thanks again... 🤓🏁
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Jeff, we’re going 40. Jeff is freaking out. Jeff has a cool collection, really digging every video!
I have a friend from violin making school named Jeff Phillips, not the same Jeff! But look him up if you want to see some realllly nice work and you like violins
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with my age and interests, I don't see many cars I haven't seen before, but this was new to me. Stuff like this makes me think this site has some of the strongest car content on TH-cam.
The styling keep reminding me of an old 62 MG "A" I used to own , but this glasspar is tons sexier.
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This thing is cool. And I even like the color.
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Wow, that DeSoto Hemi sounds great! The original owner could have waited a couple of years and used a 354 or a 392 ...
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Love this episode. Love the car and your presentation. I'm old enough to have driven a Glasspar Autopia cars at Disneyland 😊
I have one of the last of the transition Glasspar boats - 62 Citation. Last of the runabouts with real mahogany molded into the interior. Glasspar made many really good products.
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your boats sound awsome
That engine sounds like a dream
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Wow, 70 years old! What a thing. Nice find Nicole. 😀
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Another amazing episode, Thanks Nicole ❤
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This Glaspar is soooo smooth. They got the lines right, it's like a muscle car version of a Healey or a Jag. So great that some of these survive so you can show them to us.
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The sound!
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Another great Nicole Johnson video.
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Men don't generally realize how capable you are . It makes them neverous. They won't STFU. i want to hear your grove. The revs. Love the content. Well produced. Big respect and admiration, Steveo Gee. Great drive.
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I am nervous in the passenger seat no matter who is driving..
My mom taught me to drive a 3 on the tree, to include climbing under the Value Van and freeing up the frozen linkage on occasion.
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Schooling him. Like glass. Excellent.
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My ultimate goal is to get my daughter born in 2000 to drive a 3 on the tree. You did well
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I love your show... and I just bought 1951 XK120 roadster that I'm doing up as a 50's racer thanks for the inspiration
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love to see that