Esam's logic makes sense - if you accept Skyjay's results for incineroar despite him being one of the few incineroar reps in NA, you have to accept Yoshi and Yoshidora argument based on Japan results
Time stamps for all of ya for quick reference: 0:49 Mario 2:05 Samus 3:46 Terry 4:02 Bayonetta 5:26 Jigglypuff 7:26 Hero 8:37 Shulk 9:18 Mewtwo 11:37 Coney quickly mentions Captain Falcon and Luigi as one tricks. 11:48 Lucina 13:13 Incineroar 13:47 Ness 13:57 Yoshi 16:44 Mii Brawler 17:57 Rosalina & Luma 18:46 The final list
Ness got better disjoints and combo ability. I like Lucas better and don’t understand why they took away his down throw combos from 4 to ultimate but they did. I miss the old Lucas :(
@Angelic you basically nailed it to a T. Super underrated super high tier character and i actually put him neck and neck with ness even if ness is obviously better
Duck hunt is so underrated that no one remembers the character, he's a good character it's just that he has a high skill ceiling which discourages a lot of people from playing him. He has so little representation and it doesn't help that raito has disappeared from tournaments.
True. Duck hunt is THE most underrated, or rather one of the most underrated, Villager sometimes also takes the underrated spot simply because they can be rare sometimes, plus being a bit overshadowed by Isabelle.
You're right but (as a recent Esam video pointed out), this is assuming it's done as a landing hitbox coming out as low to the ground as possible which is rarely possible - even still a landing bair will generally be between -3 and -6. The other factor is the autocancel window which I don't know about in practice but removes up to 8 frames of landing lag from some higher bairs.
@@2LettersSho generally speaking due to back air being decently big and jiggs insane drift, bair not always being as low to the ground as possible doesn’t matter when even a higher up hit is safe enough to avoid fox up smash oos *before* you account for jigglypuffs drift. And this is one of her least safe aerials on sheild too, jiggs is a monster
Pretty good list overall. Personally I think Corrin is really underrated but more people are starting to see the light now especially after Shadic beat Cosmos
Corrin is definitely is a, well I have good moves but no mobility kind of character, and with characters with less mobility becoming more used, I think corrin will get better. Also shadic is incredible
True. But outside of his RNG gimmick on his magic, he can be a bit helpless having slow but fairly strong fair and bair, having a few spells that deny shield, and having a bit of edge-guard tactics plus a few combo strings with Upair and having buffs that if doubled can just erase shield. Hero is definitely strong, but needs more careful gameplay, having to pay a bit of attention to their MP, since if it goes out their upb goes down the drain a bit along with their spells. I feel most Hero’s use their menu a bit too much, and never try to go into other options, unless its the usual Fair and Bair, they don’t try ti find combos, like how Upair can lead into some stuff.
@@medecko4394 optimal Hero gameplay is more difficult than a lot of people see. just one of the multiple reasons I enjoy playing Hero, since I like characters who have access to technical stuff and have a good variety of tools (I main Hero and Mega Man, secondary Snake)
Underrated characters pro players can’t admit just because of no results - link, ylink, banjo, bowser jr, corrin, Isabelle, villager, piranha plant, pichu, mii gunner, mii sword fighter, duckhunt, wii fit, megaman, lucario, robin, inkling.
A really good duck hunt is terrifying. It's like playing a cross between pac-man and snake. And it takes a big brain player to really go hard in the paint with him. But playing against a good one a lot really helps you get batter at all around stage awareness and not just focusing on 1 move at a time but several. Cause those big brain characters play chess with the right player.
Meta Knight is criminally underrated. Imagine if Bonk! gets better and good enough to contend with top 50 peeps. (Aside from beating WaDi and Zomba on some occasions)
I feel like Meta Knight is a lot more unoptimized and has more potential than mac. No disrespect towards Mac of course, but Peanut and Alternis aren't 3-0ing Chag like Yei did back in SWT CA RFs.
@Taelin Cusic That sounds like the evidence of him being underrated by at least this commenter. I don't know enough to say you're wrong but chances are he's better than "straight trash" so technically underrated by definition. In reality, it could be true to say, "he's fine but not worth using over either Jiggs or Pika", which is to say effectively trash but realistically decent. Idk, game is more balanced than we're used to discussing which makes things complicated.
You're correct even just looking at a MK match up chart you can see he is better then most people think. There is a lot more than just DA and ladder combos
I was hoping for some Ridley talk. No character has punish game quite like Ridley. If you have a good read on someone they will die by whatever means you choose, no matter what percent or position on the stage. He’s also super fast, good at edge guarding, powerful, and has good combos. He just lacks weight and is large which scares everyone unfortunately. I’m biased though because he is my favorite character
Speaking of punish game, his up smash is ridiculous. It hits ALL of the bottom-level battlefield and small battlefield platforms, and the majority of the PS2 platforms. Smashville and Town and City also have a crazy amount of their platforms covered by one up smash. He doesn't even have to read you perfectly; if he remotely guesses what you're going to do at kill percent, and you AREN'T in a location out of his up-smash's range, you're just dead. Straight up. He's a swordie who is just worse because he's larger and doesn't have the amount of disjoints. If he was heavier and had disjoints on more moves, the man would be high tier, easily.
I feel like honestly mega man probably should have made the list considering players like kameme and he can just zone like crazy and be nearly untouchable against most characters
@Taelin Cusic Granted I don't think lucario is great either but when he's last stock, last hit and he starts camping/spamming neutral b its kind of annoying. Plus his roll is basically instant. Nonetheless, I wouldn't say he's underrated (he's still bad lol) but he is scary on last stock, last hit.
@Taelin Cusic The thing that gives me the most anxiety about fighting him is I don’t know if I am winning the match or the other person just doesn’t care about losing 2 stocks because they know once they get Aura going it’s gg’s. When it comes down to their last stock, I just send Luma out to handle business and stay away from the Furry Doctor Manhattan.
Terry is not underestimated in my opinion. He is solid character. The thing is that when you find a terry who can't play he only uses A and then powerdonk (often done with down B), but if you finds a person who knows how to play it, the B key becomes useless because all moves are replaced by the best versions with inputs.
Probably a bit biased but I think Mii Gunner is a little underrated. Grenade is INSANE on shield (+10) allowing for free grab and Homing Missiles have decent combo potential.
I think Ken is kinda underrated, nobody really talks about him and vendetta is super good. He’s just one of those “touch of death” characters that can blow you up just by touching you
I disagree with esam saying Rosa gets worse over time. I feel once players master her attack cancels and wavelands, but also play more aggressive, she will be noticed.
@Alberto Nolasco I understand the whole “Min Min only uses arms and nothing else” thing, but don’t underestimate every Min Min, usually she’s just downplayed with players only using her usual stuff to their advantages, and almost barely try to use her saucy combos. She has decent combos and a 0-to death, which I’m surprised most haven’t gotten into by now.
He just plays super unique. No out of shield options and not being a zoner is probly weird for a lot of ppl. I tried picking him up as a pocket and while I actually think he's super good, I personally just couldn't click with him. But I love his design. He doesn't play like anyone else on the roster really.
I used to main him in smash 4. He was infinitly cooler back then, probably my favorite smash character ever. Still one of the sickest characters in ultimate, even though I hate playing as him. But hey at least he's better now.
My favorite part of the video is listening to Wadi talk about Mewtwo’s tail never really getting hit with gameplay of Mewtwo’s tail getting hit over and over in the background
9:35 wadi: i rarely get into situations where my tail gets hit, you wanna know why? because i am good... 9:56 wadi gets his tail hit by sephiroth down air. no wadi it's not because "you're good" you DO get your tail hit, you just don't notice it because you play big characters often, the tail gets hit all the time, in juggle situations, it causes you to get combo'd in situations where you should be getting combo'd, it isn't even really the fault of there being a tail hurtbox, it is slightly disjointed, it's more a problem of where mewtwo keeps his tail in his animations, when he turns around or runs away, it sticks straight out toward the enemy instead of stay right up on him, when he is in falling animation, he spins with it slightly extended past his body for all to hit, and during all his tail moves he extends a slightly disjointed move out to be hit by something that is more disjointed. anyway rant done
also most people i've talked to, have said and agreed he is in high tier, including myself, i don't think i've ever heard someone say mewtwo is bad o.o
@@linkonedgell894 eh it wouldn't look weird, tails are meant to be moved, i'm under the view that mewtwo could pull his tail in at least when he runs, there is no reason for him to let it hang loose lol, even my dogs don't do that with their tails.
@@Mattadork well like, think of ridley fair, the way he keeps his tail all coiled up instead of stretching all the way out make it look unnatural. Don't get me wrong for game play purposes it would definitely be best for him to hold it in but it would make him look a little awkward and closterphobic
@@unsaltedmixednuts8036 not even that, I don't even thing capi is using gunner to their max potential. As good as capitancito is, the use of only one set makes gunner have more bad MUs that she should have.
I absolutely agree with bayonetta being underrated. is a character who suffers too much from what she used to be. if we pretend that smash4 bayonetta does not exist, bayo now would be recognized as an excellent character. one of the best combos in the entire game, her specials in the air are very difficult to challenge and completely nullifies a lot of characters. it has some problems here and there but even high tiers do have flaws... ...I'm really scared that people will start to realize what a good character she can be.
The Pits. They're good. Not great, but I'm sure they would do better if more people actually cared. It's just "why play the Pits when you can play a character that's better?" They just need more players. And for people to remember them. Also Corrin is constantly forgotten but pretty good.
Totally agree. They have basically no representation lately, but they have some stuff. Nair is busted and they've got some good combos. Gimping with Pit's arrows is one of my favorite things to do in the game.
For Corrin and the Pits, I don't think the issue is "Why play Corrin or the Pits when you can play a character that's better?", I think it's "Why Play Corrin or the Pits when you can play a character with more standout qualities?"
With pit it goes back to why play him when there is characters with similar tools but better e.g. palu he is too honest I say this as someone who mains palu and use to main d.pit
I gotta say...after what I experienced the other day, Shulk is underrated as hell! Once you got the monado arts down and monado canceling, that character is scary to deal with
I don't necessarily think he's underrated. But instead under-used. He's like pokemon trainer. Absolutely insane in almost every way but the commitment it takes to optimize him to a competitive level is just as insane. Granted with the game being out as long as it has I'm surprised we haven't seen more in PGR.
@@colinhoeg4728 I think you said it right there: people would rather spend a few hours on aegis waifus or Mario or a swordy, then full on commit to learning others we don't see (p Trainer, shulk, peach/daisy)
@@slick_rickgaming1102 yeah. And I mean there's nothing wrong with that. It might just be cause of the micromanagement with the arts. Or cause he's annoying to listen to. Lol who knows.
I just paused the video at 16:38 because I had to go take my dogs outside, and when I looked at my screen, it looked like I was being judged by all three Panda's for three different reasons LOL
Honest to God top UR Characters: -Isabelle (the TILTS are fantastic and are different from Villager) -Ridley -Sephiroth (will continue to rise on tier list)
Ridley is super underated. People act like he's bottom 10 or something but he's actually really solid. He has a fantastic neutral, good edge guarding tools, good range, good kills, a fantastic command grab, and he's pretty fast too, top 10 in ground run speed, and a good recovery too in MOST match ups (its not the best vs counters, but between side B and 3 jumps, he has enough mix ups where its usually not TOO bad) The only real issues he has are he has a massive hurtbox while also not being super heavy for how large his hurtbox is. And he also have a not great disadvantage because his fasted get off me option is nair which is frame 8 so he has to rely a lot on air dodge which can easily be frame trapped due to his large size. I personally think Ridley is a solid mid tier. Potentially even an upper-mid tier with more research and development. But he isnt anywhere close to low tier like many people seem to think he is.
"Yoshi players just hold forward and press a" What else is he supposed to do? His shitty risky grab thats unrewarding? His projectile that doesnt hit unless the opponent is holding forward?
It's a good point but: Mix up attack timing (eg. Tomahawk jab or nair with/without fast falling), whiff punish, platform camp when ahead, B-reverse or wavebounce neutral B... Agreed that his options aren't all amazing but the point is that Yoshi's have a tendency to play with their hand face up which makes the counterplay more simple to execute.
I gotta disagree on egg throw it is telegraphed but in the first place I don't think it should be used as a straight projectile the same way wolf uses lazer its more used for combo extensions mix ups and coving landings and even as a combo starter i say this as I have a friend who mains yoshi and this is what I see him doing
@@Mr.Galaxxxxxxxxxxy You can also use eggs to pressure and follow up to force reactions. Yoshi has a ton of air mobility, so if you are holding forward and throw an egg in front of you, you can force your opponent to react to the egg, and then punish that reaction. Maybe they shield and you grab, maybe they swat it and you whiff punish, maybe they get hit by it and you confirm, maybe they dodge and you frame trap. Lots of options. Egg toss is definitely very good on yoshi due to his high air mobility and dangerous combo starters.
He's too slow. Gets torn apart by explosive or fast characters and isn't a good enough zoner to even go even w/ other zoners. Most of his stuff is reactible or predictable
Robin is easily the worst resource-based character in the game simply because he/she cannot consistently replenish their greatest tools like Hero or Steve can, and also has the weakest tools to compensate for lackluster mobility, a big, but common weakness amongst these types of characters.
Yeah, at My locals there is a very good Robin, it's a good thing she stunk at teching walls so only had to hit her off the stage once before easily stage spiking her.
DK is definitely underrated in the way that if more people were willing to use him more in Competitive bracket, the more people will see hes at least Mid Tier. Slushie got 24th at Glitch with him and I know more can do the same or better
My biggest take would have to be corrin. She feels like worse byleth, but she has great conversions as her aerials link nicely with each other, uair frame traps, and side b closes out stocks at outrageous percents. Again, slow, but if you get those openings she can thrive
Yeah maybe if byleth was slightly faster, floatie and a pure swordie, i can kinda see the comparison. I still feel like at the end of the day theres too much of a difference tho
@@gianz2066 not implying he's bad at it, but even with the small adjustments, corrins up b is pretty simple to edgeguard regardless. The head is very prone to getting stomped on, and trades often, which is never a benefit to corrin
Personally I've always felt like lucas has potential to go even with ness, he's got so many good tools and great ledgetrapping and edgeguarding, a truly wonderful mu spread, meaning he's one of the few "low tiers" that doesn't lose every mu in the book.
there is some many underrated character like duck hunt Lucas corrin pit ice climbers MegaMan wii fit trainer Lucario pichu toon link meta knight and mii sword fighter that i hate playing this character but i agree with them like two character that i strongly i agree shulk and rosalina they are strongly underrated chraracters . but great video panda !
Ganon is the most underrated. People act like hes the worst but ganon has a 50/50 win rate against every character, because ganon kills the entire roster at like 50%, and all ut takes is one good read and one smash attack and your stock is gone
That happened to a lot of characters. Sheik and Falcon were considered low mid tiers, Mii Brawler was practically irrelevant to the meta (just to name a few). Then with a mix of patches and people labbing the characters, they’re all in high tier, maybe in contention for top tier.
Pit/Dark Pit Maybe? I mean I main those characters. I don't see any gameplay of them most of the time in tournaments, or see them talked about very often. I'd just love for them to have more recognition
Glad that the Panda guys think Puff, Incin, and Rosa are underrated cause I love playing them. I also tend to play Samus and the Miis every now and then (except I don’t really care for gunner as much as sword or brawler).
I think Mega Man is super underrated. Almost nobody plays him despite how good he is. Sure, there’s a few Japanese and European players but they don’t get the best results.
The conclusion I got from this is that there isn’t really any clear/significantly underrated characters, because they all seem good. My vote is Megaman, but I’m no top player so I might be missing a lot. Shulk came to mind too but apparently people think he’s good? I wouldn’t be surprised if Shulk was overrated tbh, he’s weird like that.
Mario and lucina are in the same pot .....DEFINITELY definitely definitely top tier....but you just don't see them any more Shulk is 100% top tier but I assume he's kinda difficult to stay consistent with at top level
From what I've seen, people are downright hostile to these characters even existing in the game, and holy crap, WHERE did this come from? It can't be because they were considered low tier in Smash 4.
@@thevgmlover it's because they wasted the time and space for three separate characters on 1 idea no one really wanted. We could of had three unique video game reps that people have been requesting since melee and instead we wound up with them
@@tw1stymint They still could've filled the spaces with requested characters if they wanted. I truly think the Mii Characters deserve a much better reputation than that.
@@thevgmlover They didn't though and I wouldn't hate on the miis as much if it was just one character like only brawler or only swordsman but they used the time and energy for three characters on them instead of adding another game rep. It's the same reason why everyone hated byleth. Like is having three separate mii characters worth missing out on a character like hollow knight, dante, bandana dee, waluigi, midna, chun-li, or shy guy to name a few
@@thevgmlover Also I'm not trying to hate on the miis in particular I also hate that lucina, chrom, breath of the wild link, and greninja exist and I don't really like incineroar, robin, corron, byleth, rosalina, and bowser jr either. We already had enough fire emblem mario, and pokemon without them but at least those six have unique playstyles that didn't already exist. Link is on the list because there were already two links and zelda had so many different options to go for
I dont really think he's underrated though. Most people recognize that Greninja is pretty good. He isnt better than like, the top 15-20 chars, but he is still like an upper-high tier. Thats about where most people think he is. Even if you want to argue he's a top tier, he's like a lower top tier at best which still isnt that much higher than what most people think of him. So he is a good character people tend to forget about, but he's not really underrated, he's just forgotten because not many people play him.
I think there are a ton of underrated characters. I think there are only about 25 to 30 characters mid tier and below. Jigglypuff is good, Bayo is good, Corrin is great, Lucas is great, Young Link is super top tier that character can do absolutely everything and do it well, Toon Link is good, Link is top tier, Ike is super close to top tier, Greninja is top tier, Sheik is top tier, oooo this one is probably by far the most disagreed with one but Falco is fucking incredible, Falco is as close to top tier as possible, Game & Watch is top 5, Chrom is top tier (i think most people agree but he is criminally underplayed), the pits overall aren't underrated but i do think Dark Pit is better, Robin is bottom of high tier, i used to main Robin and i have to say they are so good, side B, Levin sword and neutral B are so broken. There are some other slightly underrated characters but ive gone on long enough. I will answer any questions if i get the notification.
10:30 Mewtwo discussion: WaDi took a set of Sparg0 with Mewtwo at Riptide which is kinda crazy, Mewtwo is definitely underrated considering how little the character is played at almost every level
I play Yoshi and Incineroar, and I picked up Lucina a little bit ago, but yeah, definitely agree with ESAM in that [character] is broken because [reason].
Esam's logic makes sense - if you accept Skyjay's results for incineroar despite him being one of the few incineroar reps in NA, you have to accept Yoshi and Yoshidora argument based on Japan results
Depends. Because incineroar was considered like bottom 5 while yoshi was never even close to that bad.
@@xavierlynch1088 and Yoshidora's results have also been better than SkyJay's. EXTREMELY consistent top 8s.
@@CookieGal- I dunno I considered yoshi a hight tier. Getting consistent top 8s doesn't really seem outta the ordinary
@@xavierlynch1088 getting consistent top 8s at japanese majors is what I would consider "out of the ordinary"
@@Sooth0 I wouldn't. We have been seeing sonsistent top 8s with high tiers for months now both In America and japan
Time stamps for all of ya for quick reference:
0:49 Mario
2:05 Samus
3:46 Terry
4:02 Bayonetta
5:26 Jigglypuff
7:26 Hero
8:37 Shulk
9:18 Mewtwo
11:37 Coney quickly mentions Captain Falcon and Luigi as one tricks.
11:48 Lucina
13:13 Incineroar
13:47 Ness
13:57 Yoshi
16:44 Mii Brawler
17:57 Rosalina & Luma
18:46 The final list
thanks.
nice
surprised lucas wasnt mentioned honestly considering he's so underplayed and has a lot of great stuff despite ness being the obvious better character
Ness got better disjoints and combo ability.
I like Lucas better and don’t understand why they took away his down throw combos from 4 to ultimate but they did. I miss the old Lucas :(
Even tho they're similar I think they're pointless to compare akin to Mario and doc
@Angelic lucas' recovery is better on paper, but you have to fear ness' way more if you're gonna try and mess with it
@@michaelcross7665 exactly that lmao.
@Angelic you basically nailed it to a T. Super underrated super high tier character and i actually put him neck and neck with ness even if ness is obviously better
Duck hunt is so underrated that no one remembers the character, he's a good character it's just that he has a high skill ceiling which discourages a lot of people from playing him. He has so little representation and it doesn't help that raito has disappeared from tournaments.
True. Duck hunt is THE most underrated, or rather one of the most underrated, Villager sometimes also takes the underrated spot simply because they can be rare sometimes, plus being a bit overshadowed by Isabelle.
The term you should have used is "high skill floor" actually.
Not many kids and young adults want to invest. They want an easy-pick-up-characters.
1:55 I love how Esam looked at his wrist, which didn’t even have a watch on it, to say “years”
This channel is underrated honestly
True
Underrated by whom
@@Shrek2onVHS the people who arent subbed ofc
FIRE DAILY content
@@foks0054 To be fair low effort daily content. Though I still am entertained.
What makes Jiggs even more scary now is that back air isn’t -7 anymore. It’s -3
You're right but (as a recent Esam video pointed out), this is assuming it's done as a landing hitbox coming out as low to the ground as possible which is rarely possible - even still a landing bair will generally be between -3 and -6. The other factor is the autocancel window which I don't know about in practice but removes up to 8 frames of landing lag from some higher bairs.
@@2LettersSho generally speaking due to back air being decently big and jiggs insane drift, bair not always being as low to the ground as possible doesn’t matter when even a higher up hit is safe enough to avoid fox up smash oos *before* you account for jigglypuffs drift. And this is one of her least safe aerials on sheild too, jiggs is a monster
Pretty good list overall. Personally I think Corrin is really underrated but more people are starting to see the light now especially after Shadic beat Cosmos
Yeaaahhh Cosmos getting rekt by his old main must've been hilarious lol
I bet cosmos won’t ever get beat by another corrin again after that one 😂
@@riotv6 Unless it's Shadic >:)
Corrin is definitely is a, well I have good moves but no mobility kind of character, and with characters with less mobility becoming more used, I think corrin will get better. Also shadic is incredible
And MkLeo picking them up too
3:57 Did he just call TERRY an ANDY? That's actually hilarious! Also, today March 15, is Terry's Birhtday. Happy Birthday, Terry!
Calling someone a "*insert thing*" andy is twitch slang thing btw
@@herorhim Andy is Terry's brother.
Young Link is underrated, this character is sooo good !
Young link sleeper top 10
people who say Hero isn't high tier due to his RNG don't know how his RNG works
True. But outside of his RNG gimmick on his magic, he can be a bit helpless having slow but fairly strong fair and bair, having a few spells that deny shield, and having a bit of edge-guard tactics plus a few combo strings with Upair and having buffs that if doubled can just erase shield. Hero is definitely strong, but needs more careful gameplay, having to pay a bit of attention to their MP, since if it goes out their upb goes down the drain a bit along with their spells. I feel most Hero’s use their menu a bit too much, and never try to go into other options, unless its the usual Fair and Bair, they don’t try ti find combos, like how Upair can lead into some stuff.
@@medecko4394 optimal Hero gameplay is more difficult than a lot of people see. just one of the multiple reasons I enjoy playing Hero, since I like characters who have access to technical stuff and have a good variety of tools (I main Hero and Mega Man, secondary Snake)
@@ShadekyuNTG I agree with this. I try to play a bit more optimal with this character, because I enjoy playing him that way.
4:43: this statement aged incredibly well
Corrin is the most underrated character imo
Underrated (in this context) means like under the radar? Imo? Idk
I agree corrin is pretty underrated I'm no corrin main but I am good with them
As a proud Corrin main myself, I could not agree more with this statement
WaIt tHaT CaRaCtEr eXiStS?
@@maximeminassian6002 Samus main so i understand, but man i dont think i have ever beaten a Corrin in my life lmao
@@Zal_TWasTaken omg it's you again, I love your pfp
I’m happy jiggs is getting more recognition
would like to see coney in more of these discussions
His takes are some of the best out of the whole channel honestly.
@Taelin Cusic Damn too bad no one gave a fuck
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As a Robin main, Robin is so underrated in the community. I wish more players would pick them up
I tried to main Robin at first when my family got ssbu on Christmas but I just gave up, now mained Corrin lol
same! robin is solid.
I live in Colorado and our 5th best player is a Robin main
Losing the checkmate combo really sucks. And not having the Levin Sword initially really sucks too. Dunno why they nerf him.
@@T.Wilson-13 I went the opposite way, from Corrin to Robin.
Underrated characters pro players can’t admit just because of no results - link, ylink, banjo, bowser jr, corrin, Isabelle, villager, piranha plant, pichu, mii gunner, mii sword fighter, duckhunt, wii fit, megaman, lucario, robin, inkling.
A really good duck hunt is terrifying. It's like playing a cross between pac-man and snake. And it takes a big brain player to really go hard in the paint with him. But playing against a good one a lot really helps you get batter at all around stage awareness and not just focusing on 1 move at a time but several. Cause those big brain characters play chess with the right player.
Are there any other zoners in this game?
@@dingwer807 Belmonts, Samus, dark Samus, rob, zelda, villager, Isabelle, megaman.
@@dingwer807 olimar if they spam side-b from ledge
@@tumultoustortellini i was being sarcastic caus this list is mostly zoners
Meta Knight is criminally underrated. Imagine if Bonk! gets better and good enough to contend with top 50 peeps. (Aside from beating WaDi and Zomba on some occasions)
By that logic you could say what if peanut gets better and starts winning with Little Mac. I agree that he’s under rated tho
I feel like Meta Knight is a lot more unoptimized and has more potential than mac. No disrespect towards Mac of course, but Peanut and Alternis aren't 3-0ing Chag like Yei did back in SWT CA RFs.
@Taelin Cusic That sounds like the evidence of him being underrated by at least this commenter. I don't know enough to say you're wrong but chances are he's better than "straight trash" so technically underrated by definition. In reality, it could be true to say, "he's fine but not worth using over either Jiggs or Pika", which is to say effectively trash but realistically decent. Idk, game is more balanced than we're used to discussing which makes things complicated.
You're correct even just looking at a MK match up chart you can see he is better then most people think. There is a lot more than just DA and ladder combos
Aged well
One of these days, poor Esam is gonna pass out from forgetting to breath during one of his rants
I like how Esam said you’re not gonna see a bottom 5 character get a win on high tier pros yet that’s already happened with Ganon lmao
Every pro player underrates the hell out of Marth. That is no cap, Larry Lurr is correct. Marth is underrated as hell.
I was hoping for some Ridley talk. No character has punish game quite like Ridley. If you have a good read on someone they will die by whatever means you choose, no matter what percent or position on the stage. He’s also super fast, good at edge guarding, powerful, and has good combos. He just lacks weight and is large which scares everyone unfortunately. I’m biased though because he is my favorite character
Speaking of punish game, his up smash is ridiculous. It hits ALL of the bottom-level battlefield and small battlefield platforms, and the majority of the PS2 platforms. Smashville and Town and City also have a crazy amount of their platforms covered by one up smash. He doesn't even have to read you perfectly; if he remotely guesses what you're going to do at kill percent, and you AREN'T in a location out of his up-smash's range, you're just dead. Straight up. He's a swordie who is just worse because he's larger and doesn't have the amount of disjoints. If he was heavier and had disjoints on more moves, the man would be high tier, easily.
I feel like honestly mega man probably should have made the list considering players like kameme and he can just zone like crazy and be nearly untouchable against most characters
Thank you
Lucario is scary as hell.
I’m afraid to hit him because of Aura. When he is on his last stock with high damage, he turns into a blue nuclear bomb.
This is the best description.
@Taelin Cusic Granted I don't think lucario is great either but when he's last stock, last hit and he starts camping/spamming neutral b its kind of annoying. Plus his roll is basically instant. Nonetheless, I wouldn't say he's underrated (he's still bad lol) but he is scary on last stock, last hit.
@Taelin Cusic That's the problem "hitting them with a bair". They just run away and wall you out with neutral b.
@Taelin Cusic The thing that gives me the most anxiety about fighting him is I don’t know if I am winning the match or the other person just doesn’t care about losing 2 stocks because they know once they get Aura going it’s gg’s.
When it comes down to their last stock, I just send Luma out to handle business and stay away from the Furry Doctor Manhattan.
One grab with high percentage and aura, is death
Terry is not underestimated in my opinion. He is solid character. The thing is that when you find a terry who can't play he only uses A and then powerdonk (often done with down B), but if you finds a person who knows how to play it, the B key becomes useless because all moves are replaced by the best versions with inputs.
the b button with command input is stronger than the a button with command inputs.
@@Omega-mf9kj not it’s not. The B and A buttons do the exact same thing for inputs.
Only time I ever use the B button for Terry is power wave, which for some reason kill confirms into dash attack
Probably a bit biased but I think Mii Gunner is a little underrated. Grenade is INSANE on shield (+10) allowing for free grab and Homing Missiles have decent combo potential.
I think Ken is kinda underrated, nobody really talks about him and vendetta is super good. He’s just one of those “touch of death” characters that can blow you up just by touching you
Ken was underrated like two months ago lol.
@@ballertheking1038 True lol. but I still think he's pretty slept on
I disagree with esam saying Rosa gets worse over time. I feel once players master her attack cancels and wavelands, but also play more aggressive, she will be noticed.
@Alberto Nolasco I understand the whole “Min Min only uses arms and nothing else” thing, but don’t underestimate every Min Min, usually she’s just downplayed with players only using her usual stuff to their advantages, and almost barely try to use her saucy combos. She has decent combos and a 0-to death, which I’m surprised most haven’t gotten into by now.
Honestly I believe Greninja is underrated popularity wise
He just plays super unique. No out of shield options and not being a zoner is probly weird for a lot of ppl. I tried picking him up as a pocket and while I actually think he's super good, I personally just couldn't click with him. But I love his design. He doesn't play like anyone else on the roster really.
@@colinhoeg4728 couldn’t agree more! Him lacking a good out of shield option really sets him in his spot
I used to main him in smash 4. He was infinitly cooler back then, probably my favorite smash character ever. Still one of the sickest characters in ultimate, even though I hate playing as him. But hey at least he's better now.
Greninja underrated? Europe thinks he's top tier apparently
Yeah i was like where is greninja and lucario
WaDi is that kind of guy to complain about Bayonetta's smash attacks because they're huge, to then proceed to spam down tilt with R.O.B.
I love the random skyjay love in all these videos. Like every now and then someone just takes a moment to appreciate my dude and it's so wholesome.
The short Terry conversation is funny because of Riddles' recent placing
My favorite part of the video is listening to Wadi talk about Mewtwo’s tail never really getting hit with gameplay of Mewtwo’s tail getting hit over and over in the background
I mean, he wasn't really in the replay.
@@StriderZessei I mean, he was tho??
@@slam6802 at no point in the replay did WaDi get hit *because of the tail's hitbox.* Seriously, watch it again.
@@StriderZessei he just literally did
Marth is very underrated. It's just that nobody wants to take the time to develop him because Lucina's better and easier to use.
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1:55 ESAM looking at nonexistent watch to say two years really does it for me
Didn't even mention Pit? An actual crime. Character is SUPER underrated
Definitely I think he is high tier he is just soild overall but I agree with him being too honest ngl
The background music to the commentary is great
9:35 wadi: i rarely get into situations where my tail gets hit, you wanna know why? because i am good...
9:56 wadi gets his tail hit by sephiroth down air. no wadi it's not because "you're good" you DO get your tail hit, you just don't notice it because you play big characters often, the tail gets hit all the time, in juggle situations, it causes you to get combo'd in situations where you should be getting combo'd, it isn't even really the fault of there being a tail hurtbox, it is slightly disjointed, it's more a problem of where mewtwo keeps his tail in his animations, when he turns around or runs away, it sticks straight out toward the enemy instead of stay right up on him, when he is in falling animation, he spins with it slightly extended past his body for all to hit, and during all his tail moves he extends a slightly disjointed move out to be hit by something that is more disjointed. anyway rant done
also most people i've talked to, have said and agreed he is in high tier, including myself, i don't think i've ever heard someone say mewtwo is bad o.o
Yeah, the tail sticking out makes him way worse, but you have to admit he looks awesome while doing it. A tail stuck to his back would look weird
@@linkonedgell894 eh it wouldn't look weird, tails are meant to be moved, i'm under the view that mewtwo could pull his tail in at least when he runs, there is no reason for him to let it hang loose lol, even my dogs don't do that with their tails.
@@linkonedgell894 and then mewtwo still has it stick out for all his aerials because obviously he does, i think it would look fine
@@Mattadork well like, think of ridley fair, the way he keeps his tail all coiled up instead of stretching all the way out make it look unnatural. Don't get me wrong for game play purposes it would definitely be best for him to hold it in but it would make him look a little awkward and closterphobic
I believe that mii gunner is probably the most underrated charcter.
Capitaincito go brrrr
@@unsaltedmixednuts8036 not even that, I don't even thing capi is using gunner to their max potential. As good as capitancito is, the use of only one set makes gunner have more bad MUs that she should have.
I absolutely agree with bayonetta being underrated. is a character who suffers too much from what she used to be.
if we pretend that smash4 bayonetta does not exist, bayo now would be recognized as an excellent character.
one of the best combos in the entire game, her specials in the air are very difficult to challenge and completely nullifies a lot of characters.
it has some problems here and there but even high tiers do have flaws...
...I'm really scared that people will start to realize what a good character she can be.
The same applies to Cloud people highly underrated that character and I'm not saying this because of resent results. Cloud is stupid good.
@@Royges cloud wasn’t even underrated before recent results what are you on
@@firemin5398 he was if we listen to Cloud mains 😂
@@firemin5398 oh no? Cloud has always been underrated
@@firemin5398 A few top players including Esam had Cloud in mid tier or bottom high tier not even that long ago
The Pits. They're good. Not great, but I'm sure they would do better if more people actually cared. It's just "why play the Pits when you can play a character that's better?" They just need more players. And for people to remember them. Also Corrin is constantly forgotten but pretty good.
Totally agree. They have basically no representation lately, but they have some stuff. Nair is busted and they've got some good combos. Gimping with Pit's arrows is one of my favorite things to do in the game.
@@samblanton9010 his nair hitbox tho......yikes
For Corrin and the Pits, I don't think the issue is "Why play Corrin or the Pits when you can play a character that's better?", I think it's "Why Play Corrin or the Pits when you can play a character with more standout qualities?"
With pit it goes back to why play him when there is characters with similar tools but better e.g. palu he is too honest I say this as someone who mains palu and use to main d.pit
They're high tier
corrin is underrated
I gotta say...after what I experienced the other day, Shulk is underrated as hell! Once you got the monado arts down and monado canceling, that character is scary to deal with
I don't necessarily think he's underrated. But instead under-used. He's like pokemon trainer. Absolutely insane in almost every way but the commitment it takes to optimize him to a competitive level is just as insane. Granted with the game being out as long as it has I'm surprised we haven't seen more in PGR.
@@colinhoeg4728 I think you said it right there: people would rather spend a few hours on aegis waifus or Mario or a swordy, then full on commit to learning others we don't see (p Trainer, shulk, peach/daisy)
@@slick_rickgaming1102 can you blame them?
People call Shulk Top Tier. How is that underrated?
@@slick_rickgaming1102 yeah. And I mean there's nothing wrong with that. It might just be cause of the micromanagement with the arts. Or cause he's annoying to listen to. Lol who knows.
WaDi actually called out Bayo, wow
I just paused the video at 16:38 because I had to go take my dogs outside, and when I looked at my screen, it looked like I was being judged by all three Panda's for three different reasons LOL
Honest to God top UR Characters:
-Isabelle (the TILTS are fantastic and are different from Villager)
-Ridley
-Sephiroth (will continue to rise on tier list)
Ridley is super underated. People act like he's bottom 10 or something but he's actually really solid. He has a fantastic neutral, good edge guarding tools, good range, good kills, a fantastic command grab, and he's pretty fast too, top 10 in ground run speed, and a good recovery too in MOST match ups (its not the best vs counters, but between side B and 3 jumps, he has enough mix ups where its usually not TOO bad)
The only real issues he has are he has a massive hurtbox while also not being super heavy for how large his hurtbox is. And he also have a not great disadvantage because his fasted get off me option is nair which is frame 8 so he has to rely a lot on air dodge which can easily be frame trapped due to his large size.
I personally think Ridley is a solid mid tier. Potentially even an upper-mid tier with more research and development. But he isnt anywhere close to low tier like many people seem to think he is.
"Yoshi players just hold forward and press a"
What else is he supposed to do? His shitty risky grab thats unrewarding? His projectile that doesnt hit unless the opponent is holding forward?
It's a good point but: Mix up attack timing (eg. Tomahawk jab or nair with/without fast falling), whiff punish, platform camp when ahead, B-reverse or wavebounce neutral B... Agreed that his options aren't all amazing but the point is that Yoshi's have a tendency to play with their hand face up which makes the counterplay more simple to execute.
I gotta disagree on egg throw it is telegraphed but in the first place I don't think it should be used as a straight projectile the same way wolf uses lazer its more used for combo extensions mix ups and coving landings and even as a combo starter i say this as I have a friend who mains yoshi and this is what I see him doing
@@aji.n eggs are pretty good defensively as well. Not like a spammy way tho. Timing is important
@@Mr.Galaxxxxxxxxxxy yeah if you just spam then you can get hard punished coz its kinda laggy if you miss right in their face lol
@@Mr.Galaxxxxxxxxxxy You can also use eggs to pressure and follow up to force reactions.
Yoshi has a ton of air mobility, so if you are holding forward and throw an egg in front of you, you can force your opponent to react to the egg, and then punish that reaction. Maybe they shield and you grab, maybe they swat it and you whiff punish, maybe they get hit by it and you confirm, maybe they dodge and you frame trap. Lots of options.
Egg toss is definitely very good on yoshi due to his high air mobility and dangerous combo starters.
Corrin for sure. I recently picked her up after watching MkLeo and Shadic and I’m liking her so far.
Yoshi is definitely underrated, his tilts leads to combos and his ground pound on the ground can shatter shields.
Robin is highly underrated. Most underrated champion in the game hands down. Not even a fire emblem fan. That character is just busted
So much potential to be crazy
He's too slow. Gets torn apart by explosive or fast characters and isn't a good enough zoner to even go even w/ other zoners. Most of his stuff is reactible or predictable
Robin is easily the worst resource-based character in the game simply because he/she cannot consistently replenish their greatest tools like Hero or Steve can, and also has the weakest tools to compensate for lackluster mobility, a big, but common weakness amongst these types of characters.
Yeah, at My locals there is a very good Robin, it's a good thing she stunk at teching walls so only had to hit her off the stage once before easily stage spiking her.
Inkling is underrated not because of being weak (They aren't) It's because nobody ever uses them, I fell like I'm one of the only Inkling mains
They are replaced by Mythra for a reason.
DK is definitely underrated in the way that if more people were willing to use him more in Competitive bracket, the more people will see hes at least Mid Tier. Slushie got 24th at Glitch with him and I know more can do the same or better
Banjo is underrated as hell
I know I'm rewatching this like 500 days later. But Bowser Jr. Is underrated and a great matchup check.
My biggest take would have to be corrin. She feels like worse byleth, but she has great conversions as her aerials link nicely with each other, uair frame traps, and side b closes out stocks at outrageous percents. Again, slow, but if you get those openings she can thrive
Yeah maybe if byleth was slightly faster, floatie and a pure swordie, i can kinda see the comparison. I still feel like at the end of the day theres too much of a difference tho
Idk. At a top level, she gets gimped so easily by way too many characters. Her back air is ridiculous though
@@sauce8277 yeah, her up b is so bad, it trades or loses to everything offstage, and is too slow to be an oos option
@@zacharyalford8185 really? I think shadic can mix up corrins recovery very efficient
@@gianz2066 not implying he's bad at it, but even with the small adjustments, corrins up b is pretty simple to edgeguard regardless. The head is very prone to getting stomped on, and trades often, which is never a benefit to corrin
Personally I've always felt like lucas has potential to go even with ness, he's got so many good tools and great ledgetrapping and edgeguarding, a truly wonderful mu spread, meaning he's one of the few "low tiers" that doesn't lose every mu in the book.
I’d love to see a BEST/WORST DESIGNED characters tier list!
1. Marth
2. Rosa
3. Hero
4. Greninja
5. Toon Link
6. Mewtwo (Ehh)
7. Yoshi
8. Corrin
9. Lucina
10. Pits
Lowkey wanna say Link
there is some many underrated character like
duck hunt
Lucas
corrin
pit
ice climbers
MegaMan
wii fit trainer
Lucario
pichu
toon link
meta knight
and mii sword fighter that i hate playing this character
but i agree with them like two character that i strongly i agree shulk and rosalina they are strongly underrated chraracters . but great video panda !
Ganon is the most underrated. People act like hes the worst but ganon has a 50/50 win rate against every character, because ganon kills the entire roster at like 50%, and all ut takes is one good read and one smash attack and your stock is gone
Mega Man is hella underrated. He is the pinnacle of balance. Good but not broken projectiles, combos and recovery. For me, this is all I want
As an Incineroar main I will die on the hill that Incineroar is so underrated
Remember when Ultimate came out and everyone just straight up put Sonic Mid/Low tier and now a lot of people put him in High/Top tier or even top 5?
That happened to a lot of characters. Sheik and Falcon were considered low mid tiers, Mii Brawler was practically irrelevant to the meta (just to name a few). Then with a mix of patches and people labbing the characters, they’re all in high tier, maybe in contention for top tier.
Pit/Dark Pit Maybe? I mean I main those characters. I don't see any gameplay of them most of the time in tournaments, or see them talked about very often. I'd just love for them to have more recognition
My underrated charcters: (Not ordered)
1. Sheik
2. Lucina
3. Samus
4.Yoshi
5. Mewtwo
6. Sonic
7. Bowser Jr.
8. Ryu
9. Corrin
10. Incineroar
11. Jigglypuff
Its crazy how much beter CONEY's mic is compared to the others
A good format for this would be a political compass with the four axes being: overrated-underrated, and high tier-low tier
I love hearing them say Yoshi just holds forward as a Yoshi player who camps with egg toss
Y’all are goats for using a Fire Emblem three houses song
Glad that the Panda guys think Puff, Incin, and Rosa are underrated cause I love playing them. I also tend to play Samus and the Miis every now and then (except I don’t really care for gunner as much as sword or brawler).
Samus, Pit, Jigglypuff, Hero and Lucas are by far the most underrated characters in this game imo.
Is Samus underrated? At least in my region people think that character is like Top 20
I see Lucas the whole time. I sure wish he was underrated. 90% of then just want to make your life miserable.
"Every character can do something cool in this game"
*Slowly looks at Min-Min*
Yeah sure
My main WiiFit is hella underrated. When I enter local tournaments I get laughed on for playing them. Until i show them what the character can do.
I think Mega Man is super underrated. Almost nobody plays him despite how good he is. Sure, there’s a few Japanese and European players but they don’t get the best results.
“No one plays Samus”
Right, besides Icymist, Sisqui, Quik, Teaser, sometimes WaDi
Weren’t there like 3 in top 12 of LMBM?
4
Are you sure about that?
Don't forget Toura and Yaura in Japan, all in contention for the best.
@@thundercharged1 Joker (mexico) also played samus for a little bit before he started playing other charcters.
Joker still plays Samus, he just doesn't compete as much anymore.
*Wadi and ESAM agreeing on characters with smart arguments and good ideas*
Coney: Nah, they suck ass.
Honestly he’s spittin
Surprised ESAM didn’t mention Corrin
Pacman is continuously slept on
Esam be out here: errrr samus charge shot is like -7 on shield. Wadi be like: the big ball make the big boom boom when I press button
Lmao, the way Wadi smiled when he suggested Mewtwo
I'm glad to see Incinaroar getting some attention after all this time
The conclusion I got from this is that there isn’t really any clear/significantly underrated characters, because they all seem good.
My vote is Megaman, but I’m no top player so I might be missing a lot. Shulk came to mind too but apparently people think he’s good? I wouldn’t be surprised if Shulk was overrated tbh, he’s weird like that.
4:04 * Admits to never SDIing *
Mario and lucina are in the same pot .....DEFINITELY definitely definitely top tier....but you just don't see them any more
Shulk is 100% top tier but I assume he's kinda difficult to stay consistent with at top level
Jigglypuff and incineroar are seen as bottom tiers when there's good arguments to be made for them to be mid-ish
I feel like Brawler just gets lumped in with the other Miis in the "nobody cares" pile. I think he can do some damage.
From what I've seen, people are downright hostile to these characters even existing in the game, and holy crap, WHERE did this come from? It can't be because they were considered low tier in Smash 4.
@@thevgmlover it's because they wasted the time and space for three separate characters on 1 idea no one really wanted. We could of had three unique video game reps that people have been requesting since melee and instead we wound up with them
@@tw1stymint They still could've filled the spaces with requested characters if they wanted. I truly think the Mii Characters deserve a much better reputation than that.
@@thevgmlover They didn't though and I wouldn't hate on the miis as much if it was just one character like only brawler or only swordsman but they used the time and energy for three characters on them instead of adding another game rep. It's the same reason why everyone hated byleth. Like is having three separate mii characters worth missing out on a character like hollow knight, dante, bandana dee, waluigi, midna, chun-li, or shy guy to name a few
@@thevgmlover Also I'm not trying to hate on the miis in particular I also hate that lucina, chrom, breath of the wild link, and greninja exist and I don't really like incineroar, robin, corron, byleth, rosalina, and bowser jr either. We already had enough fire emblem mario, and pokemon without them but at least those six have unique playstyles that didn't already exist. Link is on the list because there were already two links and zelda had so many different options to go for
WII FIT TRAINER IS TOP TIER!! WHY IS SHE NOT ON HERE??
Greeninja’s so underrated, he was forgotten in the underrated tierlist lol
I dont really think he's underrated though. Most people recognize that Greninja is pretty good. He isnt better than like, the top 15-20 chars, but he is still like an upper-high tier. Thats about where most people think he is.
Even if you want to argue he's a top tier, he's like a lower top tier at best which still isnt that much higher than what most people think of him.
So he is a good character people tend to forget about, but he's not really underrated, he's just forgotten because not many people play him.
I think there are a ton of underrated characters. I think there are only about 25 to 30 characters mid tier and below. Jigglypuff is good, Bayo is good, Corrin is great, Lucas is great, Young Link is super top tier that character can do absolutely everything and do it well, Toon Link is good, Link is top tier, Ike is super close to top tier, Greninja is top tier, Sheik is top tier, oooo this one is probably by far the most disagreed with one but Falco is fucking incredible, Falco is as close to top tier as possible, Game & Watch is top 5, Chrom is top tier (i think most people agree but he is criminally underplayed), the pits overall aren't underrated but i do think Dark Pit is better, Robin is bottom of high tier, i used to main Robin and i have to say they are so good, side B, Levin sword and neutral B are so broken. There are some other slightly underrated characters but ive gone on long enough. I will answer any questions if i get the notification.
10:30 Mewtwo discussion: WaDi took a set of Sparg0 with Mewtwo at Riptide which is kinda crazy, Mewtwo is definitely underrated considering how little the character is played at almost every level
Yeah Mewtwo is a very good “feels-good” character to pick up until you get hit in the tail because you don’t play Mewtwo and you’re a masher
ngl these nightcore versions of smash songs are awesome
I play Yoshi and Incineroar, and I picked up Lucina a little bit ago, but yeah, definitely agree with ESAM in that [character] is broken because [reason].
When your character is so underrated it doesn’t show up on this video
Wadi huffing copium every time he preaches mewtwo is something that will never get old
My top 5
1. Lucas
2.ryu
3.banjo
4.corrin
5.mega man
Marth, Pit, Meta Knight, and Hero for sure.
The MOST underrated: CORRIN!!!
Marss looking kinda different today
Bowser jr fs
I'm thowing Nicko's name in the ring for dope Shulk players