I love Susan. A thoughful articulate woman who frames History in a way that accurately reflects the evolution of thought. If you are ever in Beverly Hills, California, I will treat you to dinner at the best restaurant in LA.
I figured this out at about 8-9 years old while in a service. Why does god allow babies to be born where they’ll never be able to get in heaven? That question broke not only my indoctrinated faith, but also my pastor whom I asked and could not give me an honest answer as he never realized it with such sincerity until I a young child had asked.
It’s a shame you lost your faith. Mine has been modified after disputing and rejecting the Sky Daddy theology. There is no actual separate place called Hell where “sinners” go to be punished from a short time up to all eternity. Instead, those that do not live in accordance with The Spirit reincarnate endlessly. Those that do get to get off the cycle and go be in Paradise. Meanwhile this world is slowly running down- atrophying- and will eventually become Hell. But, it’s up to us and subsequent generations how quickly this happens.
“To be an atheist is to maintain God. His existence or his non-existence, it amounts to much the same, on the plane of proof.” ― Ursula K. Le Guin, The Left Hand of Darkness
There is a difference between "church" (religion) and real faith in God. I know many bad things happened "IN THE NAME OF GOD,", but people really trusting God would not do these things.
Free thinker and the word faith is a dichotomy of the highest degree. Faith is an excuse people use to believe in something when there is a lack evidence for that thing. Faith is certainly not a virtue. Faith is shutting your mind off to evidence. A free thinker is someone that is a skeptic and questions everything and proportions their belief to the evidence.
@@TheAstraeuss I have faith in love. I have faith in a multiverse, I have faith that not every fable is based on nothing, I have.. imagination.. which Einstein said was more valuable than knowledge. Are you smarter than Einstein? You could be!, because I believe in possibility. People like you say flying cars aren't real, while people like me build them;)
I read the book and lived kt! He was an agnostic not an atheit. Secularism is not anti religion. Secular I'm is the ideal that protects religion from corrupt politicians and politics from corrupt clergy-theologins. It is a civil ideology. 😉
Ms. Jacoby escaped American anti-intellectualism, ok, fine. But like so many Americans she ran smack into another fallacy, progressivism. Also, she should have stayed a Catholic.
Her "philosophy" is one of thinking rationally and clearly. It's what will save humankind. With what part of her "philosophy" do you not agree? I'd be curious to know the specifics.
Ha ha ha, wow, "Thomas Paine put forward the astonishing idea that the Bible was actually written by man not handed down by God." Errrr The Bible itself says it is written by men. Free thinking, ye,s free from facts, free from reality.
Errr...The people who "believe" in the bible claim it's the divinely-inspired word of god. That means that you bible believers actually think that it's god's absolute word, not the word of man. If it is the word of man, then we should certainly be able to question its content. Right?
Who cares if someone's an atheist. God my dear isn't responsible for the ugly deeds done by man. We have free will. Your argument for disbelief is illogical. Evil does stalk man in this world. There are ways to outrun it, but first you must recognize it, acknowledge it's existence. When the innocent are unjustly hurt, there is usually a human element responsible. There have been miraculous interventions that many have attested to. The Brillant thing to do at such a moment is to Thank God. God is Love. You only come to know this through Humility. And when this Love touches you, you are forever changed. ♡ Just thinking outloud
Every form of cruelty and inhumanity has been commanded by the Bible. Numbers 15: 32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” Luke 14: 26 “Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.
@@ayblackie5472 you dont even undertand metaphorical speak or parables do you. You read that with no humble spiritual thinking, Athiestic veiws of the bible never surprise me
Yawn. If your god isn't omnipotent (all-powerful) and omniscient (all-knowing), he's not the god of your bible. If he IS those things...he's just a wicked, evil thing.Certainly not loving. For, even if he "gave" his subjects "free will" this makes him seem a wicked puppeteer. Because he most certainly would know, ahead of time, what any of his subjects were going to do. His failure to prevent catastrophes and ugliness makes him/her/it a very wicked power if, indeed, it does exist.
If god is real why does he allow babies to be born in places where they’ll never know Christ and will have to go hell based on not being baptized? What about women who are raped before marriage and now aren’t given the same respect because of a god given virginity gift to the man? What about people who are born in villages and have no outside contact and god allows their souls to be tortured in hell forever because he allowed them to be born there. He controls all births, maybe not what happens after but he chose to put people in places where he knew they would be burned in hell for eternity. Frankly, I’d rather believe in myself than a god who destroys the world because he isn’t being worshipped properly. Sounds like an unhinged narcissistic parent or an angry toddler more than an almighty god with compassion and love in his heart for those he created. But hey. You’ll come up with a reason to justify that I’m sure. Just goes to show how deeply indoctrinated you are. I was raised catholic and I will never believe you can repeatedly confess a horrific power abusing sin and yet still be allowed into heaven. I’d rather go to hell than be in a heaven full of eggshells and rules. And if heaven is a free for all, what’s the point of a god anyways if you’re just going up there to do all the bad you didn’t get to do down here? Honestly.... the most contrived stories ever have taken over the globe and create such unrest between humans it’s quite a tragedy we only have ourselves to blame. I figured this out at about 8-9 years old while in a service. Why does god allow babies to be born where they’ll never be able to get in heaven? That question broke not only my indoctrinated faith, but also my pastor whom I asked and could not give me an honest answer as he never realized it with such sincerity until I a young child had asked.
I figured this out at about 8-9 years old while in a service. Why does god allow babies to be born where they’ll never be able to get in heaven? That question broke not only my indoctrinated faith, but also my pastor whom I asked and could not give me an honest answer as he never realized it with such sincerity until I a young child had asked.
Humans are imperfect beings and will extend authority over those he/she deems less than self.
Yes me too and one of the more heroic people we have to look forward to learning from
We have free will, but at the same time, God has a plan for us. Right.
I love Susan. A thoughful articulate woman who frames History in a way that accurately reflects the evolution of thought. If you are ever in Beverly Hills, California, I will treat you to dinner at the best restaurant in LA.
As with most brilliant and thoughtful people, she wasn't wrong, just sensed the currents early. Thank you Susan for your insights.
Just discovered Susan Jacoby. She is amazing.
Read all of Susan Jacoby's books. They rule.
Great episode.
I figured this out at about 8-9 years old while in a service. Why does god allow babies to be born where they’ll never be able to get in heaven? That question broke not only my indoctrinated faith, but also my pastor whom I asked and could not give me an honest answer as he never realized it with such sincerity until I a young child had asked.
It’s a shame you lost your faith. Mine has been modified after disputing and rejecting the Sky Daddy theology. There is no actual separate place called Hell where “sinners” go to be punished from a short time up to all eternity. Instead, those that do not live in accordance with The Spirit reincarnate endlessly. Those that do get to get off the cycle and go be in Paradise. Meanwhile this world is slowly running down- atrophying- and will eventually become Hell. But, it’s up to us and subsequent generations how quickly this happens.
“To be an atheist is to maintain God. His existence or his non-existence, it amounts to much the same, on the plane of proof.”
― Ursula K. Le Guin, The Left Hand of Darkness
There is a difference between "church" (religion) and real faith in God. I know many bad things happened "IN THE NAME OF GOD,", but people really trusting God would not do these things.
Charles Sanders Peirce was the greatest American agnostic. He may not have been a very popular "public" intellectual, but that doesn't concern me.
I think I'm a free thinker for actually having faith in God.
You actually are!
Not really.
@Jon Hinson I'm gay, and I don't force anyone to believe anything.
Free thinker and the word faith is a dichotomy of the highest degree. Faith is an excuse people use to believe in something when there is a lack evidence for that thing. Faith is certainly not a virtue. Faith is shutting your mind off to evidence. A free thinker is someone that is a skeptic and questions everything and proportions their belief to the evidence.
@@TheAstraeuss I have faith in love. I have faith in a multiverse, I have faith that not every fable is based on nothing, I have.. imagination.. which Einstein said was more valuable than knowledge. Are you smarter than Einstein? You could be!, because I believe in possibility. People like you say flying cars aren't real, while people like me build them;)
Accurate
I read the book and lived kt! He was an agnostic not an atheit. Secularism is not anti religion. Secular I'm is the ideal that protects religion from corrupt politicians and politics from corrupt clergy-theologins. It is a civil ideology. 😉
Was Ingersoll pro GLBT? Undoubtedly, these people lived in the shadows during the time of Ingersoll.
God created good and evil. Isaiah 45:7.
Ms. Jacoby escaped American anti-intellectualism, ok, fine. But like so many Americans she ran smack into another fallacy, progressivism. Also, she should have stayed a Catholic.
I do not agree with her philosophy.
Shes spinning this her way and speaking as if the founders didnt have a god. Nature was god lol mother Gaia. Shes loves darwin i guess
Her "philosophy" is one of thinking rationally and clearly. It's what will save humankind. With what part of her "philosophy" do you not agree? I'd be curious to know the specifics.
Ha ha ha, wow, "Thomas Paine put forward the astonishing idea that the Bible was actually written by man not handed down by God." Errrr The Bible itself says it is written by men. Free thinking, ye,s free from facts, free from reality.
Errr...The people who "believe" in the bible claim it's the divinely-inspired word of god. That means that you bible believers actually think that it's god's absolute word, not the word of man. If it is the word of man, then we should certainly be able to question its content. Right?
Agnostic intellectual? That is a oxymoron with a capital "O".
Who cares if someone's an atheist. God my dear isn't responsible for the ugly deeds done by man. We have free will. Your argument for disbelief is illogical. Evil does stalk man in this world. There are ways to outrun it, but first you must recognize it, acknowledge it's existence. When the innocent are unjustly hurt, there is usually a human element responsible. There have been miraculous interventions that many have attested to. The Brillant thing to do at such a moment is to Thank God. God is Love. You only come to know this through Humility. And when this Love touches you, you are forever changed. ♡ Just thinking outloud
Every form of cruelty and inhumanity has been commanded by the Bible.
Numbers 15:
32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.”
Luke 14:
26 “Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.
@@ayblackie5472 you dont even undertand metaphorical speak or parables do you. You read that with no humble spiritual thinking, Athiestic veiws of the bible never surprise me
Yawn. If your god isn't omnipotent (all-powerful) and omniscient (all-knowing), he's not the god of your bible. If he IS those things...he's just a wicked, evil thing.Certainly not loving. For, even if he "gave" his subjects "free will" this makes him seem a wicked puppeteer. Because he most certainly would know, ahead of time, what any of his subjects were going to do. His failure to prevent catastrophes and ugliness makes him/her/it a very wicked power if, indeed, it does exist.
If god is real why does he allow babies to be born in places where they’ll never know Christ and will have to go hell based on not being baptized? What about women who are raped before marriage and now aren’t given the same respect because of a god given virginity gift to the man? What about people who are born in villages and have no outside contact and god allows their souls to be tortured in hell forever because he allowed them to be born there. He controls all births, maybe not what happens after but he chose to put people in places where he knew they would be burned in hell for eternity. Frankly, I’d rather believe in myself than a god who destroys the world because he isn’t being worshipped properly. Sounds like an unhinged narcissistic parent or an angry toddler more than an almighty god with compassion and love in his heart for those he created.
But hey. You’ll come up with a reason to justify that I’m sure. Just goes to show how deeply indoctrinated you are. I was raised catholic and I will never believe you can repeatedly confess a horrific power abusing sin and yet still be allowed into heaven. I’d rather go to hell than be in a heaven full of eggshells and rules. And if heaven is a free for all, what’s the point of a god anyways if you’re just going up there to do all the bad you didn’t get to do down here? Honestly.... the most contrived stories ever have taken over the globe and create such unrest between humans it’s quite a tragedy we only have ourselves to blame.
I figured this out at about 8-9 years old while in a service. Why does god allow babies to be born where they’ll never be able to get in heaven? That question broke not only my indoctrinated faith, but also my pastor whom I asked and could not give me an honest answer as he never realized it with such sincerity until I a young child had asked.
I figured this out at about 8-9 years old while in a service. Why does god allow babies to be born where they’ll never be able to get in heaven? That question broke not only my indoctrinated faith, but also my pastor whom I asked and could not give me an honest answer as he never realized it with such sincerity until I a young child had asked.
People should seek God/jesus