i dun think the basis of his argument is, "It has already been proven if you believe God you will have eternal life" + i dun think the truth has to be proven to be truth.
because if 人信耶穌 cause of 神顯靈, that kind of faith is not relaible. coz 人 will believe in something else easily. since even evil spirits are also spiritual. and 人 dunno how to distinguish which is evil and which is holy. 人 don't hv a standard. there so called 'standard' always changing.
@supermarco0014 I did ask a couple of Christians regarding this. "Why couldn't God just make a miracle happen in modern day? If God performed so many miracle in the past (according to bible) why not now?" All the answers i got were "God wants to give free will to men. By showing up on earth, it will actually take away our free will." Well my answer was, "Even if he showed us a miracle and confirmed the existence of God, we still have free will to believe or not right?" (Silence....)
@chiachoonseng Is what you said stated in the bible? Or did someone decipher that for you. I just find it very convenient for everyone to say, "We cannot understand the intention of God, thus don't question just have faith." Well.... to some extend I could understand, but, I just don't understand why is God bring in so many controversial statements. "Eternal life" for example.
Think about " Can Stephen create a rock that he cannot lift ?" definitely yes. He can just pour concrete to make a rock until it is so heavy that he can't lift it. Therefore, this question is logical. However, the question becomes illogical when we use God. This is because we think that God is potent. In logic, if we do correct inference but we get a false conclusion, then it means that our premise must be false. Therefore, the problem in our premise is that God is not potent.
God can create a rock that he cannot lift because God can do anything. But why should he create something that he cannot lift? Definitely, it is logical to think that He will create something that is within his control.
@supermarco0014 Well, what you said is a fallacy called begging the question. Here is an example: Bill: "God must exist." Jill: "How do you know." Bill: "Because the Bible says so." Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?" Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."
Are you even reading what am I typing? All I am saying is the example and argument of Stephen Tong doesn't make sense and doesn't work. The basis of his argument is, "It has already been proven if you believe God you will have eternal life" Since he's comparing it with 2+2 = 4 and other number argues 2+2 equals themselves instead. That's why I am saying, his argument is wrong and shouldn't be spread around. Unless someone who has eternal life comes back and proves the theory, it's wrong.
Think about " Can God pass through the sea without ship?" definitely yes. God is potent. Therefore, this question is logical. But this question become illogical when we use men! However, by faith, the Israel passed through the Red Sea as on dry land (Hebrews11:29)
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谢谢唐牧师，谢谢。我太喜欢你的讲道了。
讲得很好，自己懂得了真正的道理，也不可以看轻别人，更要帮助不懂的人。这是很多人都会犯的错，包括我。忏悔。。。
I have to say that the power of God is more than all we ask or imagine.
对于宗教，我只推崇它们对于形而上问题的孜孜不倦的探索，以及对人类精神世界的充实。任何宗教对于过于具体的问题，如果有一个具体的答案，我一般嗤之以鼻。“死后状态”是个哲学问题，也许以后科学能够解释。如果人有原罪，其一生又不断犯错。如果人死后带着记忆，我们如何面对我们伤害过的其他生命？如果不带记忆，你又如何知道你是你？你在天堂遇见死去的亲朋好友，怎么认得出是他们？无论如何那都是一件痛苦的事。如果上帝可以让天堂里的人免于被我们生前有的那些负面情感所困扰，那我们如何感到幸福？幸福，只有经历过痛苦，才显出它的可贵。没有痛苦的情感，或者记忆，我们怎么知道我们在天堂是幸福的？
上帝充斥宇宙万物，但又不限于宇宙；所以，我们都是上帝的一部分？那在天堂和在人间有何区别？如果上帝是满，溢满一切又超越一切，那在地狱里也等于在上帝的里面。在哪都一样的话，何必对天堂那么执着。怎么都被上帝所充满，那又何必信教？
6过而
Amen
最後一個問題 真知灼見！
聖經已經有這麼久的歷史，應該不少人信吧！那為什麼沒有任何一位有能力回來告訴我們
『我已經得永生了！』
如果基督教是如此的神，為何沒有任何神聖跡象呢？神如真愛子民，為何不顯靈一次，這樣子全看到的人不就會馬上信耶穌了嗎？
永生的人到底在哪理，你找不出來，就請不要說『信主得永生！』
@elninoisme
既然你開頭就說生命是永恆的，那也就帶表不管你做什麼生命就都是永恆的。也就是信神和不信神你都能有永恆的生命，因為你所說的，生命是永恆的。。。
『真相』。。。其實什麼是『真』。你說這個真，他說那個真，基督徒所依靠的就是聖經。有仔細想過為什麼很多人信嗎？因為人生多為苦，若能相信有一位廣大無邊的生命體，時時在照顧我們，愛我們，安慰我們，保護我們，這樣我們就能活的很快樂，因為心靈有依靠。若要得到這種安樂的話，只要求我們盲目的『信』就夠了。若有人質疑的話，就跟他說『神的旨意，是無法被人類所理解的，你只要信！就夠了，不要多問。』
請不要懷疑，我覺得基督教是很好的宗教。我只不過覺得唐先生的舉例有點霸道，不合理而已。
i dun think the basis of his argument is, "It has already been proven if you believe God you will have eternal life"
+
i dun think the truth has to be proven to be truth.
because
if 人信耶穌 cause of 神顯靈, that kind of faith is not relaible.
coz 人 will believe in something else easily. since even evil spirits are also spiritual. and 人 dunno how to distinguish which is evil and which is holy.
人 don't hv a standard. there so called 'standard' always changing.
2. 今天如果我說 2 + 2 = 9你說：『我不信！』我說，你就相信吧！我也沒辦法證明，可是，你一定要相信。這樣子不夠霸道嗎？
『空氣』例子也有一樣的問題。不吸空氣會死。很容易就可以證明，所以是真理。『只信信耶穌才能得永生！』有誰可以證明？
@supermarco0014
I did ask a couple of Christians regarding this. "Why couldn't God just make a miracle happen in modern day? If God performed so many miracle in the past (according to bible) why not now?" All the answers i got were "God wants to give free will to men. By showing up on earth, it will actually take away our free will." Well my answer was, "Even if he showed us a miracle and confirmed the existence of God, we still have free will to believe or not right?" (Silence....)
However, God is potent is not a premise, but it is the truth! You can find the evidence in bible!
@iori7171
生命是永恒的，但过程是阶段性的，也就是你的永恒生命被划归为一段段的，连续，也不连续，当你明白了，不连续也就永远连续了。
宇宙生命的真相只会有一个，没有两个。所以这个地球上的人只能这样来区分，知道真相的，不知道但想知道真相的，还有对真相无所谓的。这个时代最大的悲剧是，绝大多数地球人属于第三种人。
@"記得唐牧師的例子嗎？
2+2=？"
watch?v=EOtvien0XIU
我也看過這個例子，聽起來很明白可是，這個例子有很大問題。2+2=4 是已經被證明的了。是事實！所以沒有人會有疑問。如果有人不信，別人可以把整個證明拿給他看。可是『只信信耶穌才能得永生！』還沒有被證明。如果有人信了耶穌，得了永生，回來給大家看，然後說：『我是活生生的證明』這樣唐牧師例子才成立。
唐崇榮 - 信仰難題有問必答
对神(耶稣)也会死, 但是耶稣为我们的罪而死, 然后从死里复活!
神(耶稣)从死里复活!
To know more origin of Chinese in God
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i think 神的话,圣经 見證 耶穌, but not really
證明. i think we can't 證明 something bigger than science with science.
@chiachoonseng
Is what you said stated in the bible? Or did someone decipher that for you. I just find it very convenient for everyone to say, "We cannot understand the intention of God, thus don't question just have faith." Well.... to some extend I could understand, but, I just don't understand why is God bring in so many controversial statements. "Eternal life" for example.
Think about " Can Stephen create a rock that he cannot lift ?" definitely yes. He can just pour concrete to make a rock until it is so heavy that he can't lift it. Therefore, this question is logical.
However, the question becomes illogical when we use God. This is because we think that God is potent.
In logic, if we do correct inference but we get a false conclusion, then it means that our premise must be false.
Therefore, the problem in our premise is that God is not potent.
God can create a rock that he cannot lift because God can do anything. But why should he create something that he cannot lift? Definitely, it is logical to think that He will create something that is within his control.
Will Pastor Tong comes to Canada?
@yappy42
各人信仰跟所學是兩碼子的事。有很多科學家信神，可是也有很多有名的科學家不信神。所以信不信神和科學家或不科學家是沒有關聯的。所差的只是『信』與『不信』。就好比有神父接受同性戀，有神父不接受同性戀，兩個都是神父啊！這根本是觀念問題，沒有覺對的。若是說信主得永生是絕對的話，這樣我要求一個真正的永生的人會來跟我聊幾句話，不過份吧！
@supermarco0014 Well, what you said is a fallacy called begging the question.
Here is an example:
Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."
請看我上面的回答。讓我瞭解我的論點哪裡有問題。
简略的叙述，诺斯底有以下的特点：
一. 二元论（dualism)：灵善物恶的二元论是诺斯底主义最基要的特征。既然物是恶的，纯灵的至高存在者不可能创造物质世界。
二. 幻影论(docetism)：由于物质是邪恶的，宇宙性的救赎主基督不可能拥有身体，人所看见的只是他的外观而已。主张基督只暂时借用人的身体。
唐崇荣的“改革宗”与美国正统的改革宗完全不同
只信信耶穌才能得永生！有誰可以證明？
答：神的话=圣经
@imlittlebirdy 你这边说得不太通耶，上帝派了他的独生子来代罪，死的是上帝的儿子，耶稣！三天后活的还是上帝的儿子耶稣，不是上帝耶！是上帝把他儿子复活的。还有就是主祷文，耶稣教他的门徒这样祷告，我们在天上的父，愿人都尊你的名为圣，那是谁的名？应该是上帝的名吧，不是耶稣这个名字，不然说不通！除非上帝的儿子说谎！
wow, i wonder where he gets his theories from...
信主得永生還沒被證明，硬要說是真理，是事實，這樣不霸道嗎？
你敢上街說 2+2=8嗎？不敢！因為你知道馬上有人可以『證明』你是錯誤的！
可是唐先生卻說信主得永生，可是又沒有辦法證明！還是用錯誤方法證明！不過份嗎？
請問Ｇｏｒｇａｎｓｅｘ你得永生了嗎？
你知道任何人得永生的嗎？
我來舉個例子吧。
甲小於等於乙
乙加一大於甲.
乙加一大於甲可以成立全是因為 甲小於等於乙
如果甲小於等於乙不屬實的話，乙加一大於甲也就不成立。
2+2=4已經被證明。所以說 2+2=8 就是霸道！
你硬要說是真理，可是又不能證明是真理，這還不算霸道嗎？ 好比我說 2+2 = 8,可是我不能證明，我應要說是真理，這樣我霸不霸道？
3. 你不能證明是真理。別人也不能證明不是真理，這樣半經八兩，就只能說是各走各路。如果你還是硬要拉我走你那個方向，你就是霸道。
@supermarco0014
如果我相信聖經的話那我就不會問這些問題了。只要是印在紙上的就全是事實嗎？印在紙上的就不可以有人質問嗎？我就是不信印在紙上的才會希望得永生的人回來讓我們看看，這樣不就證明了聖經所說的是真的了嗎？
Are you even reading what am I typing?
All I am saying is the example and argument of Stephen Tong doesn't make sense and doesn't work. The basis of his argument is, "It has already been proven if you believe God you will have eternal life" Since he's comparing it with 2+2 = 4 and other number argues 2+2 equals themselves instead.
That's why I am saying, his argument is wrong and shouldn't be spread around. Unless someone who has eternal life comes back and proves the theory, it's wrong.
@Gorgansex
如果你多用心的話，可能你能看見我所要講的。我是數學系畢業的。證明題對我來說是易如反掌。唐先生的證明是非常錯誤的。這算是誤導。對愚夫愚婦，心中一心想接受的人聽起來頭頭是道。可是對一個旁觀者來講。一眼就可以清楚看到證明提的錯誤。你一心想要接受他所說的話，所以失去思考的能力。
@iori7171
如果你還是硬要拉我走你那個方向，你就是霸道。
答：
你有自由选方向LOL，
你全选的方向都不能證明是真理LOL，
选方向都需要信心LOL，
聖經上沒有說要消滅伊斯蘭 神應許夏甲要使以實馬利的後裔富足 你的說法律似是而非 又在公開園地發表 以後你要向神交帳 快把創世紀唸透徹並認罪懺悔吧 十字軍的東征有人的私心與神的許可 神掌管一切 沒人能下結論
@iori7171
這世上的人都已現象來認識神
人們造土偶便叫這是神
為什麼
因為你們看的到
你们相信世界上有 "救世主" 吧?
@orsonlovecat 地狱是为着魔鬼与他的使者所造的，不是为人
圣经的图纸- 亚当与夏娃 (第一视频)
/watch?v=iZKh49l8d_E
@supermarco0014 聖經如何證明? 這假定了聖經是真的. 將假定的東西強迫別人認定, 這豈不是很霸道嗎?
i think 被證明了的事實, 就用不著信
你會錯意了，多聽聽就知自己錯在那裡。
我很想要有答案！可是我想你無法給我答案，因為如果有答案的話，你早就指引我前往正確的方向了吧！
可是你所能說的就只是『你就相信吧！你要信才能找到答案！』
那我也拜託你別信吧！也不要妖言惑眾，你只要多用心，也許你有辦法看到我所說的理論每一個環節都合情合理。可是我想你沒有辦法！因為你早就已經決定你要信唐先生的歪理論了。
iori7171 ,
大大本聖經證明信主得永生，你硬要說是沒被證明，是虛假，這樣豈不是很霸道嗎？
有沒字幕?普通話聽不懂
佛教的天人道不過是學印度婆羅門教罷了～拿印度婆羅門教的教義來當自己"開悟"的佛教～竟然還能夠用這從別人拿來的教義來包括 耶穌基督？？太可笑了吧
★ 唐崇荣是诺斯底异端，诺斯底异端的著名特点就是二元论和将世俗文化知识掺杂到基督教信仰中去
Think about " Can God pass through the sea without ship?" definitely yes. God is potent. Therefore, this question is logical.
But this question become illogical when we use men! However, by faith, the Israel passed through the Red Sea as on dry land (Hebrews11:29)
糊裡糊塗的基督徒
你不了解唐崇榮。
@iori7171
真理就是有資格霸道
我再說，你真的不了解唐崇榮或他的思想，不要這麼快下結論。
唐牧師，舊約完全不符現實，為何你不去面對這些錯誤呢？舊約的可笑寫都寫不完，就提出幾個……1 ，
耶和華認為地上天空要好看一點，因此造了星星，可笑吧！那些星系年紀比地球老耶！
2 ， 有血的動物不可吃，那種物沒有血？
3 ，人們殺死動物祭祀耶和華，上帝需要殺動物接受祭祀嗎？非洲野人拜鬼才會殺生祭鬼神！
谢谢唐牧师，谢谢。我太喜欢你的讲道了。