I'm 6'3" 230lb, and shoot my P365 as accurately as any pistol I own. I think it's a combination of great trigger, ergonomics, and sights. Even as tiny as it is, the shape of the grip makes the ergos really nice. I love the gun, and I'm a big time Glock guy.
I own both, I think they’re both great. The pros and cons of each firearm is basically preference, what feels better. Everyone has a different grip and hand size, so I believe it’s preference. The Hellcat feels a little better in my hand because it’s just a bit beefier. My everyday carry is a Beretta 92FS it was a little too bulky for my wife, she tried out quite a few compacts, and sub compacts. The S&W M&P shield, Glock 43, Glock 26, The Beretta PX4 Storm, Taurus G2C, H&K VP9SK, she liked The Hellcat, and the Sig the best, we bought both, I wanted a Compact backup, so she chose the Hellcat, so I took the Sig. After about 1,000 rounds through both, Zero issues, Zero malfunctions. Completely satisfied with both firearms.
I like the ergonomics of both, they both feel great, I do lean towards the Hellcat, as it has little beefier grip, which is slightly more comfortable in my hand, also, the Sig grip makes it difficult for me, to eject the magazine it always make contact with my hand, and I never really get a clean release. The Hellcat grip gives me a clean mag release every time. I do prefer the sights on the Sig over the Hellcat, always was a big fan of the 3 dot sight configuration. The Hellcat’s front sight is much brighter though, much easier to pick up in the dark. The U shaped rear sight is fine, I just prefer 3 dot. When choosing my Beretta, I had a choice of the 92FS and M9, I chose the 92FS because of the 3 dot sights.
I have a Springfield XD mod 2 and wanted something smaller for summer / t shirt concealment. Went back and forth between the hellcat and p356 and ended up choosing the p365 because it fit my hand more naturally and I’m not a small chick at 5’11 185lbs I’ve had the sig for about 6 months now and couldn’t be happier.
My situation is exactly the same, with the exception that I'm a guy, lol. I'm deciding between the two and me and the wife will be going to the range Sunday to try them out. Well, she'll be trying out the G42.
I went with the Hellcat simply because of the amount of issues the P365 had when it was released. Still have yet to hear of any breakages or failures from the Hellcat. I also like the sights and the additional round on the Hellcat. It has become one of my favorite guns to shoot. I find it has a very nice natural point of aim and I don't find it that "snappy" that others complain about... it's actually a very controllable gun for me (6', 220lbs).
Apex has a replacement trigger for the Hellcat. I put an Apex on my M&P competition gun and it's amazing. Great products. I personally have no issues with the Hellcat trigger. It's fine for an EDC gun.
The guy and his it’s too small crap is just funny as hell. I’m 6’2” and over 200 pounds also with large hands and both my Hellcat and my 365 are easily manipulated and shoot just fine. Yeah they’re small guns and thats why i purchased um. Sounds like a training issue to me. It’s called dexterity. 😉
Come on, everyone has a different grip, if it feels too small for that man, then it feels too small, when picking a EDC, or any firearm for that matter, it all comes down to preference. Especially when it comes to customized, highly proficient, highly reliable, top tier handguns. Some guns ergonomics feel better to some people then others. The Glock 17 and 19 are 2 of the most popular, extremely reliable, Grade A handguns. I prefer the Beretta 92FS, A1, M9. They feel better in my hand and, I simply shoot them better. I’m 5’ 11” 202 lbs. I have medium sized hands. I love both the Sig P365 and the Hellcat, I own both, I have a little difficulty releasing the magazine on the Sig, it always makes contact with my hand and I never really get a clean release, The Springfield is a little beefier, fits my hand a little better, and I get a clean release of the magazine. So I wouldn’t call his opinion crap. I mean how can you honestly think his comment is somehow invalid?
@@AmericanBusinessman422 damn wished I had a lifted truck. They're so expensive. I drive a 2013 Prius even though I'm 6'5. I hope I get a lifted truck one day after I graduate from college and get a real adult job.
My 365XL took some getting used to size-wise, but my duty gun was a G23, which may be why I don't notice any snappiness. What I love about the thing is that I never consider leaving it at home. It's the most comfortable gun for concealed carry I've ever owned. I still carry my Glock on cold days under heavy outerwear, but other than that, I'm happy with the Sig.
Great video! I think an important thing for those looking to buy a sig p365 as a EDC gun but are concerned with the size of the grip,hogue makes a grip sleeve that makes the whole grip a little bigger and it absorbs more of the shock,instantly helped my accuracy with the gun and made it much more comfortable and the grip was only 12 bucks on Amazon
@@onpsxmembergood thought! I can tell you honestly first hand though that the grip sleeve is quite difficult to get on cause it's made to fit the gun so tight,I've had it on for a few months now and have done countless draws and malfunction practice with it and it hasn't moved a bit,it seems to be a quality grip and with how its cut to fit the gun if it were to move at all which I dont think it ever will it couldn't move up any high cause it's already right next to the trigger guard
@@stephaniecovert6227 If it's only sold for that model it could work. I have that info from trainers that hate most sleeves (unless they're tatoos) for the mentioned reason. Getting in and out of cars, getting caught on something...I guess it'll be fine if there is some protrusion before the mag release in the grip. If you trust it after your testing, I hope it never lets you down. Thx for the reply.
@@onpsxmember it is specifically made for the P365,you make a good point though,I wouldn't trust a generic sleeve that was not made specifically for said gun model,I could see how I'll fitting ones could cause some huge issues!
I'm a Springfield man 100% I got a Hellcat bout a month ago and I love it, it is small for my hands,but it'll get job done if I need it!!! I do have XD .45 and it's a beast, it is my favorite so far!!!
Thanks for the thorough, honest review. I have medium sized hands and the sig fits my hand well. Recoil with my carry loads is not too snappy and it come back on target easily. I have not fired the Hellcat but that trigger bothers me. But like you guys said if you train on it properly properly, it should (may?) not be a problem. I will stick with my sig (just my vote). Thanks again.
I’m 6’2”, 200 lbs and recently shot a friend’s Sig 365 and really liked it. My EDC is the LCP in warm weather & Smith 340PD in jacket weather so snappy recoil is no problem for me. Thanks for the video, interesting comparison.
So no mention of the modular design of the Sig and its FCU? For example, I replaced the standard P365 grip module with the XL version which helped with the mag changes that Neil complained about. It also has the extended beaver tail for better control and the 12 round magazines fit flush. It literally took less than a minute to switch grip modules. I'm 6' 1" / 200 lbs and love my hybrid P365!
I own both of these guns and while I really like things about them I’ve noticed the sig will sometimes have feeding issues with low quality ammo where the hellcat will feed flawlessly with any ammo. Has anyone else experienced this?
I had the P365 and liked it. Then I had a chance to shoot and play with the Hellcat. The Hellcat was better in every way. Easier to load mags and a full mag went into the gun smoother. I thought the sights were better on the Hellcat. It felt better and more controllable in the hand. I'm only 5'9" and 160lbs and medium to small hands. I shot the Hellcat so much better. Yep, I sold the P365 and got the Hellcat. It's been a little over a year now and still no regrets. I carry appendix with a Kusiak Leather holster.
I own both, they’re both great, really great for what they are, sub compact, high capacity handguns, every video I’ve watched on the comparison is right on, the Hellcat has a beefier grip and feels better in my hand, The Sig is a little less snappy, and the trigger on the Hellcat is much more crisp. The Sig p365 makes a 15 round magazine, so capacity is no longer a issue. I carry a Beretta 92FS, my wife wanted something smaller, so we bought the Sig “TacPac” which comes with 3, 12 round mags and a holster. Decent, nothing spectacular, but a decent Holster, that you can convert from IWB/OWB. It was $549.99 with Tax $590. The Hellcat was $529.99, $570 with tax, the Hellcat is optic ready it was a OSP version. I carry the Sig as a backup, my wife shot both and she says the Hellcat was more comfortable, so I was going to take the one she didn’t choose 😂. I’ve only put about 1,000 rounds through each, but I’ve had no issues, no malfunctions. So, for now, I’m satisfied with both, and feel confident and comfortable knowing, if God forbid, my wife had to defend her life, and my daughters, that she has, what seems for now, a reliable, well functioning firearm, being chambered in .9mm adds to that security. I know at close range, a bullet is a bullet, but the JHP have significant stopping power. I highly recommend both. Just one man’s opinion. Moving to AZ from the people’s communist republic of NYC, is the best decision I’ve ever made 😊. Last, but not least, I love the tritium sights on both firearms also. I lean more toward the Sig because all 3 dots have the Florescent green glow. The Hellcat’s front sight is much brighter than the Sig, then it has the U shape rear sight. Both excellent, however I do prefer the 3 dot, the the U.
I'm in the same boat. I don't really find the Hellcat to be any snappier than any other gun. I can plink 6" plates at 25 yards all day with it. Plus it eats every type of ammo I've fed it.
Well done. Extremely informative and “no dog in the fight” honesty. I don’t own either gun but I have handled both. I would go with the Hellcat solely based on the grip feel. I like a full palm (fat) grip. I get that with my Glock 32. Thanks.
Awesome side by side comparison guys!! I bought my dad's Hellcat from him, he said the trigger really pinched his finger under recoil. I haven't experienced that with it but I do think the felt recoil is more than my 365. Awesome stuff as always guys
I just bought a HELLCAT. For me the grip feels better and I can manipulate the mag release better however I was considering the P365 also so I left it to God to choose so I walked into my local gunshop and they were out of the P365 but had the HELLCAT so it made my decision way easier. Great video as always 👍
I just got the Sig sauer P365 and I have large hands, it's not bad with the 12+1,.its pretty accurate to shoot with is and nice to carry. So far I am happy with my Sig.
You're right, Neil. It was the most honest review I've seen of both guns. Well done. I like hearing honest opinions--even when they are opinions--instead of press release talking points. Me, I'm kinda torn between the Hellcat and an XDM Elite Compact OSP. I like the size/weight/capacity of the Hellcat, but I shoot my XDM 4.5" OSP really, really well. So many choices...
I really like my hellcat . I have never had a malfunction and I noticed that the one you shot didn’t lock the slide on an empty mag. Mine has never failed to lock the slide!
What a great video. In the past month, my girlfriend and I purchased a hellcat and a p365 in a manner that is directly mirrored by the preferences of you guys in this video.
I own a S&W .38 special and a Walther PPS .40 caliber. I’m in the market for a Bodyguard .380 but today I saw a Hellcat and really liked how it felt in my hands. I still haven’t held the Bodyguard in my hands but hopefully I will. Nice video and great suggestions from Kim and her friend.
For goodness sake, the guns are "hideout" guns, not IDPA, USPSA, or any other target competition. I'm a big guy with really big hands too, but I'm able to shoot both guns. The SIG is my favorite of the two. Oh, the Springfield does have a bit more felt recoil and muzzle jump.
I had issues with the mag release on the Sig. None with the Hellcat. I have small hands. IF I could Frankenstein a gun, I'd put the trigger of the Sig on the Hellcat. Make the Hellcat a little easier to rack the slide and a little less recoil. Then it would be my perfect EDC. I absolutely love the sights on the Hellcat. My eye found the sight perfectly and accurately each time.
I would like to get my hands on that, I love them snappy. It appears to have exceptional ergonomics and would fit my hands perfectly. The pistols looked pretty sweet too.
@@5jjt Nothing. I already bought 6 extra mags for my Hellcat. He can fuck right off with his 10 round commie mag bullshit. They can't tax what they don't know I have.
Wait a bit, magazine limits will be thrown out by SCOTUS as they’ll soon be forced to rectify conflicting opinions now that the ninth circuit has thrown out California’s ban.
Slowhand74 I wear 2xl gloves and have a size 16 wedding ring and the size of my 365xl doesn't bother me at all. Most comfortable etc I have. I carry an extra 15 round mag also.
I love my P365. I have shot the hellcat and the P365 is less snappy and although the Hellcats front sight is brighter in light the 3 dot tritium is much better in dark, yay Kim :-) I really see the problems with the huge hands. Happy TG.
I agree that finding the right gun is really about how a person is built and on their personal preference. I am a short guy with short arms and short hands. I tend to gravitate towards shorter stocked shotguns and rifles and smaller handguns. My main pistol is a Smith and Wesson Shield .380 EZ. It’s fits in my hand great and it’s effortless to load and rack. (The loading part is the most attractive feature)
I have 2 xdm,1 xds, but I still prefer the p365 over the hell cat. I even prefer it to p365xl. The mag drop is an issue put when I carry it I don’t carry a second mag. So it’s a non issue. I also carry 124g+p ammo I have no issues in recoil management. I have even started switching my xdms over to the sig sights. That way I always the same site picture.
I appreciate the side by side comparison, from 2 very different viewpoints! makes for interesting arguments for both firearms! I think its kinda ridiculous to put a red dot on one of those little micro compacts, but it does sound fun!! Thanks for the great content!! ;)
Nice video as always. I haven't fired the Hellcat, but I fired a rented 365 at the Range about a year ago and found it to be surprisingly accurate for me. I ended up buying a used M&P 9c which is a little bigger, and have since bought several other handguns and rifles. But I liked the 365 a lot and have recommended it to friends. Keep up the good work. 🇺🇸
REALLY starting to enjoy the videos by the both of you. Short and to the point. Just a FYI... During my CPL class, which was given at my local police department, by a police commander, he stated that; Of all the shootings involving our cities police officers, there was only one incident where an officer actually lined up his shot using the guns sights! That one time was from a city sniper. Could you do a video displaying the accuracy of this scenario ? This is, in my opinion , going to be the case with the majority of self defense shootings. Again, love you guys! Keep up the good work!
Hickok45 is 6'8" and owns 2 Sig 365s so I decided to give one a try. I'm 6'2 with large hands too so I bought a 12 round magazine and a Talon pro grip Now it's my main carry gun.
I was able to rent out both the Sig p365 and a Hellcat months ago and it was splitting hairs but I decide to purchase the p365 instead. The main reason I found it not as snappier compared to the Hellcat. I'm very pleased I purchased the p365
Do you have any grip or shooting technique tips? I never shot a Hellcat, but I have a P365. It's the only small gun I own and it feels so snappy compared to something like my Glock 19, Sig P226, and Walther PPQ. Do you have any tips on how to make it feel less snappy?
@@JacksonWalter735 just make sure you have a good grip and lean forward into it. I learned that from experience regarding a Springfield XDS chambered in .45 ACP. Now that was very Snappy! But as long as you start leading into it you should get a better grouping or better handling, pun intended
I bought a Sig 365 XL last week. I’m used to a 9mm beretta so this gun has me feeling extra nervous. I bought it anyways because I need a concealed carry. The XL has been rated far better than the 365 by us men with big hands so I think I’ll be able to adjust with more practice on the range.
@@jpjp3873 It wasn’t too bad actually. I called every gun store in my area looking for this specific gun, after my 3rd day of searching for reasonable prices I came across a mom-and-pop shop hidden in the middle of nowhere.
8:30 that first shot with the Hellcat. Even looks much more snappy. Also I have seen some other videos compairing these two and all say that the Hellcat is mpre snappy.
At 6'5" 220lbs I'm a pretty big guy too. I use a Hellcat with an optic as an EDC. It's not a lot of fun to go put 300 rounds through at the range, but I have guns that are so that doesn't really matter to me. I will train with the Hellcat to keep myself familiar with it, but at the end of the day it's a CCW that I hope I NEVER have to fire. It's really nice to be able to carry in shorts and a t-shirt and have no printing. I can pocket carry the Hellcat too, even with the optic installed. To me, it's all about carrying. As a CCP holder I know that more than likely I will carry my gun every day at least 12 to 15 hours a day but will probably never draw it and use it in self defense (hopefully I'll never use it). So trying to carry a G17 sized gun that may get left at home is not as good an option as having the Hellcat on me wherever I go. Whether it's in a pocket holster tucked in my waistband or in my pocket, an IWB holster, or an ankle holster. I know I can carry anywhere, anytime I want to. For times when the Hellcat is a little too big, I have an LCP I keep around. The Hellcat has a nice "index" feature where the stippling has been carried up to the side of the frame giving you reference points for your thumb. Great for us big handed people who don't want flash burns on their thumb. Just put your thumb on the index point and you're good to go. The Hellcat also has a SLIGHTLY protruding guide rod which can help keep the gun in battery should you be grappling or have the gun up against someone. The coup de gras for me was the optic cut. In a self defense situation, I like to keep my eyes focused on the threat, not on my front sight. So the dot seals the deal.
You can change the grip module by removing the fire control group by taking out one pin. The XL grip makes a world of difference, though it makes your 10 rnd mag useless.
I've had my Sig Sauer P365 for about a year now, and I shoot every weekend. I've shot literally thousands of rounds through it. There was one box of ammo that I had 3 failure to feeds, but other than that one batch of ammo I've had zero issues with the pistol. It is a very high quality firearm. I carry this weapon appendix iwb everywhere I go. It's as comfortable as a gun can be. I use a Kore Essentials gun belt and a Tulster kydex holster.
I just got the Sig P365 last month. I mounted a Holosun 407K on it. I shoot pretty good with a full size gun such as a Glock type platforms. So trying to get my trigger control better since it is snappy. I sold my Ruger LC9S and the Sig seems be less snappy.
In my Sig p365, I use the sig 12rd mags for iwb carry, and the 10rd mags for pocket carry. Love my p365, because a smaller more comfortable/concealable gun carried trumps world's best hand cannon left at home. I do switch to M&P 9 2.0 Compact if heading into questionable areas.
@@deplorable7575for pocket carry it is just a bit large, but doable. Ive owned micros like the Seecamp, but anything smaller than the P365 compromises in almost every way. The P365 is the best compromise of handling, caliber, reliability, and concealibility I have yet to experience. But what you personally can hit with under stress, is reliable, and one you will actually carry is the goal.
Out of everything I’ve owned the shield plus is the only one I’ve ever had a trigger safety issue with (trigger finger to high) & the only one I’ve ever been magazine pinched by…
love my 365. My hands fit it fine. I did swap out the grip assembly for the 12 round XL. Super easy to swap. Love it. Daily carry now for a couple of years. (P365X--Mullet gun.)
I did get a rail mod for my P365XL, so I added an APL-C on my 365, and believe they make them for both versions. I prefer my 320 for carry when I can, but the 365XL is nice when it is warmer out (most of the year in Phoenix. ) Extra cost, and a silly choice to make proprietary rails, but there are options.
I operated Sig’s 365 and the 365XL, those mag releases are faulty. Hard to press due to sitting too flush or flat and it sort of faces frontwards. It is awkwardly placed. It also does not eject properly. I wrote Sig about it as I found quite a few people around and on youtube that also complain about it. I reached out to Sig to see if they planned on updating the two pistols in the near future with a fix, and all I got in return was the concern will be passed on to the production department.
I carry a 43x with the Shield Arms mags. I’ve shot the 365 regular and XL as well as the Hellcat. I agree other than the XL the regular and Hellcat are too small and I’m only 5’8. If I weren’t happy with my 43x I’d carry the XL. If I had to pick between the two you’re reviewing I’d pick the Hellcat.
thanks for the honest reivew. I appreciate the feedback from both of you. Keep up the great work. Hopefully, I will get to take one of your courses and talk to you in person.
Owning both, for me they're both so close to each other I really don't notice the differences. In the nature of full disclosure, I've been using an ancient Mk4 Series 80 Stainless Officers ACP for way too long, and finally decided I had to modernize on the EDC side of things. When you're used to a small 45, neither one really "snaps", and the 1911 trigger is what it is where the Hellcat or P365 really can't compete. The one thing that annoyed me about the Hellcat is the U-sight, but I guess that's why I put the RMRcc on it first, and will put a red dot on the P365 in the near future, more because I'm getting old and need reading glasses these days to see the front sight (and the dot's do bring up a new set of challenges.)
Kim handles the P365 recoil like a boss!!! Kim @7:48 & 10:44 Neil @14:24 I slowed the video to 0.25 speed just to appreciate it. Anyone else notice that? Is this due to technique, hand size, or both? Neil prefers the HC because of his hand size. Kim prefers the P365 because of her hand size. In both of the guns it looks like Neil bends his wrist very slightly more than Kim in response to the recoil.
I like my hellcat but for larger hands it's more of a challenge to release the mag. Also I installed an ext. Mag release. The palm though does interfere with the mag. Good video
First, these guns are designed for deep concealed carry. Not for backup. Deep conceal as the primary CC weapon. I can put this in a pocket holster with no printing. I also use it in an ankle holster. Why? Because were I live and work I tuck my shirt in and do not wear a jacket. Pocket or ankle carry is my only means of concealed carry. The gun, therefore, needs to have a high capacity of 9mm and be very small. The Sig does that better than anyone else. I have fairly large hands as well and have no problem with this gun. Second, your grip does not require that you stick your thumb pointed along the side of the slide. I see that all the time. That really does not help you shoot better. I have always wrapped my left hand thumb directly on top of my right hand thumb. My fingers do not come anywhere near the slide, the slide release, or the magazine release. Easy to shoot very accurately that way with great control. This has 12+1 rounds with the extended magazine for the P365. No other gun comes close to being the near perfect CC gun as the Sig. Everyone else will be trying to duplicate this for years.
Love my p365. I have medium sized hands and it actually feels great for me. Complements my mp 2.0 compact. Between the two I usually have a good option
@@geaugafirearmsacademy thank you guys for all the great work that you do! I’ve been watching for years since I first started getting into guns and self defense, and your videos have helped me a lot. Take care
The aftermarkets availability for the 365 hands down wins it for me. Took my 365 to the range when I first got it and compared it with the xds it was replacing for my edc . My shot group was more accurate as well. If you love to customize your firearms your going to love the 365.
Kim all I've got to say is with your beautiful red long flowing hair you look fantastic shooting either one of them guns. But I think I would prefer the hellcat.
Hey Guys, great review. Your video popped up on my home page, which is crazy because I just realized you guys were just teaching a class when my buddy and I came in this weekend. We hit the rifle range, then the pistol bay!! Is a very small world!!!
I selected my 365 as my edc about a year and a half ago after doing some training and qual with it. I’m a big guy with large hands. That’s my reason for preferring the 12 round mag. After numerous qualifications and training days, I’m convinced I made the right choice versus the larger alternatives I had. It has great sites, is very easy to fire accurately and recoil is not too bad. Finally, it’s extremely concealable! The one caveat is I had to retrain myself for when using the 365 to drop my magazine with my support hand. After practice it becomes easy, and hasn’t impacted my muscle memory to do one-handed magazine releases with other guns. Overall, it’s easily a gun I recommend to people.
Great review, thank you. I subscribed because it was so nice I want to see what you guys have to say about other products. That being said I was all sold on the Hellcat myself and went down to the store, mainly because of the capacity size and the cutout for the RMR on top of the slide, but then I see that it's made in Croatia? Nothing wrong with Croatia but the other one is made in US. Thankfully my local store had an exclusive on the P365 and they gave it to me with three 12 round magazines for the same price, it is the SAS model but with the laser I was already planning on putting on it, that's even better for deep conceal.
I purchased the Sig P365 and I have rather large hands. It doesn't fill my hand like a G19 does but I shoot it just as well and that is what really matters. I do like the way the P365 narrows towards the trigger and also the trigger breaks at 90 degrees which improves groups in my opinion. This because after your index finger passes that point your hand naturally starts incorporating other muscles. The biggest + on the Hellcat is the precut for optics slide. Man I wish my Sig had that and it costs a pretty penny after the fact. That and 1 extra round is a small bonus. Bottom line these are both exceptional firearms in my opinion.
Your just fine with a G26. The average built person can conceal a G26 no problem. That’s what it was designed for. Is it blocky as some say, yes it’s a Glock . I happen to appreciate the blocky utilitarian no bulls#%t look and function of glocks . Some say the trigger is crappy on the Glock , not true it’s just a Glock trigger. It just takes a little practice to appreciate it.I was not always a Glock guy , I’m old, 1911’s and revolvers were the only way to go. Then one day I tried a Glock 21, I immediately bought one and to this day not one malfunction. I have 4 glocks now . The only one I ever had an issue with is the G34 because it had all extras added on, I put back all the factory parts and good to go. All the others are stock out of the box and run flawlessly. You can use you 26 as a hammer and it will still run fine. When you finally escape from California buy both the 365 and the Hellcat to celebrate. Until then your 26 is more than adequate. Watch Shane Coley Michelle Viscusi or even Hickok45 run a Glock.
One Handed shooting is great super conceal nice back up for my Raptor Ultra 45 ,works great with Alien ankle holster, Great Review showing 2 totally different body types, just subscribed
The first time Kim shot the Sig (with ammo) I noticed her stance. It took me back to the video series (I think there were 8) for beginner to "body stacker" Niel (if I remember correctly) had a hard time getting Kim to lean into the target, nose over toes thing. Kim did it perfectly without any coaching. .......they grow up so fast.......Lol
LOL right off the bat, I'm with Kim from a comfort/grip standpoint. I wear a medium glove and one of my favorite carries is an XDS SC 40. Hard to slip a 1911 or a Desert Eagle into you hoodie pocket 😀👍 When you get a little older you'll appreciate that U notch because it's quicker to acquire with older eyes. Who says and where is it written you MUST shoot two handed ???
NOTE: The laws of physics do NOT change. The barrel length is the same on both pistols and the 9mm cartridges (I assume) are the same. So as far as snappy, it's a judgement call by the user but, the laws do not change. They will retort the same. But, as you both noted, hand size makes a BIG difference in how you hold the pistol. God Bless
Not true, guide rod spring weight will make a noticeable difference. So I’m willing to bet the Sig is a little over sprung. One way to tell is how far the brass is flying out. In this vid the HC is throwing brass twice as far in some instances. I recently lightened the guide rod spring on my VP9 which had really weak ejection. It now throws brass 2-3 times further than it did before.
Agree that the total force must be the same but how that force interacts with your hand differs from gun to gun on other factors. Barrel height above hand, weight of gun, angle of grip are examples that will give a different feel in recoil even though the total force is the same. Go shoot a Beretta 92fs and then a Glock with equivalent barrel length. Their recoil will feel different and one may feel snappy-er then the other.
Nice and I'm loving those twins. I'd love to go on maneuvers either of them. These basically the same exact guns. Me and those Sigs would have Hellcat of a time. :-)....
I'm 6'3" 230lb, and shoot my P365 as accurately as any pistol I own. I think it's a combination of great trigger, ergonomics, and sights. Even as tiny as it is, the shape of the grip makes the ergos really nice. I love the gun, and I'm a big time Glock guy.
Glad it is a good fit. I also liked it. Thinking of making it my new EDC. Thanks so much for watching and commenting 😊 Kim
Exactly same here. 365 is just an amazing gun. No way it should shoot as well as it does.
You seem bias against SIG?
I own both, I think they’re both great. The pros and cons of each firearm is basically preference, what feels better. Everyone has a different grip and hand size, so I believe it’s preference. The Hellcat feels a little better in my hand because it’s just a bit beefier. My everyday carry is a Beretta 92FS it was a little too bulky for my wife, she tried out quite a few compacts, and sub compacts. The S&W M&P shield, Glock 43, Glock 26, The Beretta PX4 Storm, Taurus G2C, H&K VP9SK, she liked The Hellcat, and the Sig the best, we bought both, I wanted a Compact backup, so she chose the Hellcat, so I took the Sig. After about 1,000 rounds through both, Zero issues, Zero malfunctions. Completely satisfied with both firearms.
I like the ergonomics of both, they both feel great, I do lean towards the Hellcat, as it has little beefier grip, which is slightly more comfortable in my hand, also, the Sig grip makes it difficult for me, to eject the magazine it always make contact with my hand, and I never really get a clean release. The Hellcat grip gives me a clean mag release every time. I do prefer the sights on the Sig over the Hellcat, always was a big fan of the 3 dot sight configuration. The Hellcat’s front sight is much brighter though, much easier to pick up in the dark. The U shaped rear sight is fine, I just prefer 3 dot. When choosing my Beretta, I had a choice of the 92FS and M9, I chose the 92FS because of the 3 dot sights.
I have a Springfield XD mod 2 and wanted something smaller for summer / t shirt concealment. Went back and forth between the hellcat and p356 and ended up choosing the p365 because it fit my hand more naturally and I’m not a small chick at 5’11 185lbs
I’ve had the sig for about 6 months now and couldn’t be happier.
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My situation is exactly the same, with the exception that I'm a guy, lol. I'm deciding between the two and me and the wife will be going to the range Sunday to try them out. Well, she'll be trying out the G42.
I went with the Hellcat simply because of the amount of issues the P365 had when it was released. Still have yet to hear of any breakages or failures from the Hellcat. I also like the sights and the additional round on the Hellcat. It has become one of my favorite guns to shoot. I find it has a very nice natural point of aim and I don't find it that "snappy" that others complain about... it's actually a very controllable gun for me (6', 220lbs).
That little bit about the trigger safety and how finger placement can hinder it's engagement was a great point.
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Apex has a replacement trigger for the Hellcat. I put an Apex on my M&P competition gun and it's amazing. Great products. I personally have no issues with the Hellcat trigger. It's fine for an EDC gun.
The guy and his it’s too small crap is just funny as hell. I’m 6’2” and over 200 pounds also with large hands and both my Hellcat and my 365 are easily manipulated and shoot just fine. Yeah they’re small guns and thats why i purchased um. Sounds like a training issue to me. It’s called dexterity. 😉
Come on, everyone has a different grip, if it feels too small for that man, then it feels too small, when picking a EDC, or any firearm for that matter, it all comes down to preference. Especially when it comes to customized, highly proficient, highly reliable, top tier handguns. Some guns ergonomics feel better to some people then others. The Glock 17 and 19 are 2 of the most popular, extremely reliable, Grade A handguns. I prefer the Beretta 92FS, A1, M9. They feel better in my hand and, I simply shoot them better. I’m 5’ 11” 202 lbs. I have medium sized hands. I love both the Sig P365 and the Hellcat, I own both, I have a little difficulty releasing the magazine on the Sig, it always makes contact with my hand and I never really get a clean release, The Springfield is a little beefier, fits my hand a little better, and I get a clean release of the magazine. So I wouldn’t call his opinion crap. I mean how can you honestly think his comment is somehow invalid?
@@NYScorpion222 their small. S.smith probably drives a lifted truck...
@@AmericanBusinessman422 damn wished I had a lifted truck. They're so expensive. I drive a 2013 Prius even though I'm 6'5. I hope I get a lifted truck one day after I graduate from college and get a real adult job.
U nailed it...👏
My 365XL took some getting used to size-wise, but my duty gun was a G23, which may be why I don't notice any snappiness. What I love about the thing is that I never consider leaving it at home. It's the most comfortable gun for concealed carry I've ever owned. I still carry my Glock on cold days under heavy outerwear, but other than that, I'm happy with the Sig.
Thanks for watching! It is a nice size for ccw
Opposed to the common response, I’ll take the Hellcat... great review, man!
Great video! I think an important thing for those looking to buy a sig p365 as a EDC gun but are concerned with the size of the grip,hogue makes a grip sleeve that makes the whole grip a little bigger and it absorbs more of the shock,instantly helped my accuracy with the gun and made it much more comfortable and the grip was only 12 bucks on Amazon
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If that sleeve moves, your mag release is right above it.
@@onpsxmembergood thought! I can tell you honestly first hand though that the grip sleeve is quite difficult to get on cause it's made to fit the gun so tight,I've had it on for a few months now and have done countless draws and malfunction practice with it and it hasn't moved a bit,it seems to be a quality grip and with how its cut to fit the gun if it were to move at all which I dont think it ever will it couldn't move up any high cause it's already right next to the trigger guard
@@stephaniecovert6227
If it's only sold for that model it could work. I have that info from trainers that hate most sleeves (unless they're tatoos) for the mentioned reason. Getting in and out of cars, getting caught on something...I guess it'll be fine if there is some protrusion before the mag release in the grip. If you trust it after your testing, I hope it never lets you down. Thx for the reply.
@@onpsxmember it is specifically made for the P365,you make a good point though,I wouldn't trust a generic sleeve that was not made specifically for said gun model,I could see how I'll fitting ones could cause some huge issues!
I'm a Springfield man 100% I got a Hellcat bout a month ago and I love it, it is small for my hands,but it'll get job done if I need it!!! I do have XD .45 and it's a beast, it is my favorite so far!!!
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The Sig's angle on the grip, the banana curve, seems like it is much better designed to counteract recoil.
The lower bore axis of the SIG helps too.
Thanks for the thorough, honest review. I have medium sized hands and the sig fits my hand well. Recoil with my carry loads is not too snappy and it come back on target easily. I have not fired the Hellcat but that trigger bothers me. But like you guys said if you train on it properly properly, it should (may?) not be a problem. I will stick with my sig (just my vote). Thanks again.
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Poor Kim you did a great job on this review. Keep up the good work you could probably do really well even if you decided to do your own channel
She has her own channel.
@@wizardofahhhs759 What is it called?
@@jamesbroughton7870 Kim's Corner.
@@wizardofahhhs759 Great thank you I went and checked it out she does a very good job.
I am curious to know if Kim had any problems dropping the mag on the Sig?
I’m 6’2”, 200 lbs and recently shot a friend’s Sig 365 and really liked it. My EDC is the LCP in warm weather & Smith 340PD in jacket weather so snappy recoil is no problem for me. Thanks for the video, interesting comparison.
So no mention of the modular design of the Sig and its FCU? For example, I replaced the standard P365 grip module with the XL version which helped with the mag changes that Neil complained about. It also has the extended beaver tail for better control and the 12 round magazines fit flush. It literally took less than a minute to switch grip modules. I'm 6' 1" / 200 lbs and love my hybrid P365!
I am leaning towards the hellcat because I can keep the rear sights while using a red dot. Unlike the P365 XL.
I own both of these guns and while I really like things about them I’ve noticed the sig will sometimes have feeding issues with low quality ammo where the hellcat will feed flawlessly with any ammo. Has anyone else experienced this?
I had the P365 and liked it. Then I had a chance to shoot and play with the Hellcat. The Hellcat was better in every way. Easier to load mags and a full mag went into the gun smoother. I thought the sights were better on the Hellcat. It felt better and more controllable in the hand. I'm only 5'9" and 160lbs and medium to small hands. I shot the Hellcat so much better. Yep, I sold the P365 and got the Hellcat. It's been a little over a year now and still no regrets. I carry appendix with a Kusiak Leather holster.
I own both, they’re both great, really great for what they are, sub compact, high capacity handguns, every video I’ve watched on the comparison is right on, the Hellcat has a beefier grip and feels better in my hand, The Sig is a little less snappy, and the trigger on the Hellcat is much more crisp. The Sig p365 makes a 15 round magazine, so capacity is no longer a issue. I carry a Beretta 92FS, my wife wanted something smaller, so we bought the Sig “TacPac” which comes with 3, 12 round mags and a holster. Decent, nothing spectacular, but a decent Holster, that you can convert from IWB/OWB. It was $549.99 with Tax $590. The Hellcat was $529.99, $570 with tax, the Hellcat is optic ready it was a OSP version. I carry the Sig as a backup, my wife shot both and she says the Hellcat was more comfortable, so I was going to take the one she didn’t choose 😂. I’ve only put about 1,000 rounds through each, but I’ve had no issues, no malfunctions. So, for now, I’m satisfied with both, and feel confident and comfortable knowing, if God forbid, my wife had to defend her life, and my daughters, that she has, what seems for now, a reliable, well functioning firearm, being chambered in .9mm adds to that security. I know at close range, a bullet is a bullet, but the JHP have significant stopping power. I highly recommend both. Just one man’s opinion. Moving to AZ from the people’s communist republic of NYC, is the best decision I’ve ever made 😊. Last, but not least, I love the tritium sights on both firearms also. I lean more toward the Sig because all 3 dots have the Florescent green glow. The Hellcat’s front sight is much brighter than the Sig, then it has the U shape rear sight. Both excellent, however I do prefer the 3 dot, the the U.
I like my hellcat havent noticed excessive recoil and I shoot it nearly as good as my ppq. Also takes laserlight
The PPQ is hard to beat, great ergonomics and even better trigger.
I'm in the same boat. I don't really find the Hellcat to be any snappier than any other gun. I can plink 6" plates at 25 yards all day with it. Plus it eats every type of ammo I've fed it.
Well done. Extremely informative and “no dog in the fight” honesty. I don’t own either gun but I have handled both. I would go with the Hellcat solely based on the grip feel. I like a full palm (fat) grip. I get that with my Glock 32. Thanks.
Awesome side by side comparison guys!! I bought my dad's Hellcat from him, he said the trigger really pinched his finger under recoil. I haven't experienced that with it but I do think the felt recoil is more than my 365. Awesome stuff as always guys
Thank you! Always great to hear from you
I just bought a HELLCAT. For me the grip feels better and I can manipulate the mag release better however I was considering the P365 also so I left it to God to choose so I walked into my local gunshop and they were out of the P365 but had the HELLCAT so it made my decision way easier. Great video as always 👍
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I just got the Sig sauer P365 and I have large hands, it's not bad with the 12+1,.its pretty accurate to shoot with is and nice to carry. So far I am happy with my Sig.
Love ya both, Honest, and informative. Thanks and that’s why I subscribed! Keep up the good work.
You're right, Neil. It was the most honest review I've seen of both guns. Well done. I like hearing honest opinions--even when they are opinions--instead of press release talking points. Me, I'm kinda torn between the Hellcat and an XDM Elite Compact OSP. I like the size/weight/capacity of the Hellcat, but I shoot my XDM 4.5" OSP really, really well. So many choices...
I really like my hellcat . I have never had a malfunction and I noticed that the one you shot didn’t lock the slide on an empty mag. Mine has never failed to lock the slide!
It did with me but not with Neil. His hands are just too big. Thanks for watching and commenting.
2:59 One thing we noticed right away.....
Interesting transition compared to 2:55
The P365xl is my EDC. Love it!
You should do a compare of the XL to the G43.
Sounds good thanks for watching
@@geaugafirearmsacademy I'd lend you my xl for a review.
What a great video. In the past month, my girlfriend and I purchased a hellcat and a p365 in a manner that is directly mirrored by the preferences of you guys in this video.
I have the p365 and I love it I also have the shield 2.0 not so much of a fan the grip is smaller on the shield
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@@geaugafirearmsacademy of course I enjoy learning from the best
Hellcat felt much snappier to me, too. What's weird is that the P365XL is only like 10% bigger, but it shoots 25-30% softer.
Great review, Thanks for your perspective.
Thank you!
I own a S&W .38 special and a Walther PPS .40 caliber. I’m in the market for a Bodyguard .380 but today I saw a Hellcat and really liked how it felt in my hands. I still haven’t held the Bodyguard in my hands but hopefully I will. Nice video and great suggestions from Kim and her friend.
These are both guns which I’ve been interested in buying for myself. It was nice to see the side by side comparison. Thanks for doing it.
To me the P365 has hardly any recoil. Super accurate for a small gun too.
The hell cat looked way more snappier in both of their hands. His shot placement was more accurate with the 365 also.
@@eddieaz4067 365 is Superior in every way imho...and I'm a Glock guy.
For goodness sake, the guns are "hideout" guns, not IDPA, USPSA, or any other target competition. I'm a big guy with really big hands too, but I'm able to shoot both guns. The SIG is my favorite of the two. Oh, the Springfield does have a bit more felt recoil and muzzle jump.
I had issues with the mag release on the Sig. None with the Hellcat. I have small hands. IF I could Frankenstein a gun, I'd put the trigger of the Sig on the Hellcat. Make the Hellcat a little easier to rack the slide and a little less recoil. Then it would be my perfect EDC. I absolutely love the sights on the Hellcat. My eye found the sight perfectly and accurately each time.
Great review... you folks always put out good contents.
I am very interested in both these guns. Good to see a review from you.
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I own both. My wife likes the sig. And I prefer the hellcat with the bigger magazine.
Thank You both for that video. I think i would lean more for the Sig now. Thanks again & keep doing what you do. Ron H 👍
Thank you, Ron!!
I would like to get my hands on that, I love them snappy. It appears to have exceptional ergonomics and would fit my hands perfectly. The pistols looked pretty sweet too.
I live in NY and carry my 365 every day when I'm at work, when I'm out with my wife and kids I carry something a bit larger
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I'm curious what other gun owners of models that hold more than rounds are planning to do if Biden gets in.
@@5jjt Nothing. I already bought 6 extra mags for my Hellcat. He can fuck right off with his 10 round commie mag bullshit. They can't tax what they don't know I have.
In NY we are only allowed to have 10 rounds.
Wait a bit, magazine limits will be thrown out by SCOTUS as they’ll soon be forced to rectify conflicting opinions now that the ninth circuit has thrown out California’s ban.
Slowhand74 I wear 2xl gloves and have a size 16 wedding ring and the size of my 365xl doesn't bother me at all. Most comfortable etc I have. I carry an extra 15 round mag also.
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Another quality video. Thank you both.
Good review! I like your truthful ways. I do have smaller hands and like my P 365 . . Job well done ! Thankyou
Thank you!
I love my P365. I have shot the hellcat and the P365 is less snappy and although the Hellcats front sight is brighter in light the 3 dot tritium is much better in dark, yay Kim :-) I really see the problems with the huge hands. Happy TG.
I agree that finding the right gun is really about how a person is built and on their personal preference. I am a short guy with short arms and short hands. I tend to gravitate towards shorter stocked shotguns and rifles and smaller handguns. My main pistol is a Smith and Wesson Shield .380 EZ. It’s fits in my hand great and it’s effortless to load and rack. (The loading part is the most attractive feature)
Traded my 365 for the Hellcat. No regrets at all....
lol. 365xl master race
yikes.
buy both.
Sig 365’s. 7-52-365!!
Same, the hellcat is alot better.
I have 2 xdm,1 xds, but I still prefer the p365 over the hell cat. I even prefer it to p365xl. The mag drop is an issue put when I carry it I don’t carry a second mag. So it’s a non issue. I also carry 124g+p ammo I have no issues in recoil management. I have even started switching my xdms over to the sig sights. That way I always the same site picture.
I appreciate the side by side comparison, from 2 very different viewpoints! makes for interesting arguments for both firearms! I think its kinda ridiculous to put a red dot on one of those little micro compacts, but it does sound fun!! Thanks for the great content!! ;)
Lol! Right 😀 thanks for watching and commenting
Nice video as always. I haven't fired the Hellcat, but I fired a rented 365 at the Range about a year ago and found it to be surprisingly accurate for me. I ended up buying a used M&P 9c which is a little bigger, and have since bought several other handguns and rifles. But I liked the 365 a lot and have recommended it to friends. Keep up the good work. 🇺🇸
M&P is a great pistol. Thanks for watching and commenting
The bore axis is a bit higher in the hand, on the hellcat. Its not much of a difference, though a refined shooter might notice.
REALLY starting to enjoy the videos by the both of you. Short and to the point. Just a FYI... During my CPL class, which was given at my local police department, by a police commander, he stated that; Of all the shootings involving our cities police officers, there was only one incident where an officer actually lined up his shot using the guns sights! That one time was from a city sniper. Could you do a video displaying the accuracy of this scenario ? This is, in my opinion , going to be the case with the majority of self defense shootings. Again, love you guys! Keep up the good work!
sig all day ....... try the XL grip module
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Hickok45 is 6'8" and owns 2 Sig 365s so I decided to give one a try. I'm 6'2 with large hands too so I bought a 12 round magazine and a Talon pro grip Now it's my main carry gun.
Thanks for the awesome video and great advice. Keep up the good work and stay safe out there 🙏
There’s no Hellcat available in Thailand so my choice of concealment is P365.
Interesting thanks for watching
Good choice
Sawadee krap!!!
I was able to rent out both the Sig p365 and a Hellcat months ago and it was splitting hairs but I decide to purchase the p365 instead. The main reason I found it not as snappier compared to the Hellcat.
I'm very pleased I purchased the p365
Do you have any grip or shooting technique tips? I never shot a Hellcat, but I have a P365. It's the only small gun I own and it feels so snappy compared to something like my Glock 19, Sig P226, and Walther PPQ. Do you have any tips on how to make it feel less snappy?
@@JacksonWalter735 just make sure you have a good grip and lean forward into it. I learned that from experience regarding a Springfield XDS chambered in .45 ACP. Now that was very Snappy! But as long as you start leading into it you should get a better grouping or better handling, pun intended
@@Rob_Shoot thanks for the advice! I'll try it out the next time I'm at the range!
I bought a Sig 365 XL last week. I’m used to a 9mm beretta so this gun has me feeling extra nervous. I bought it anyways because I need a concealed carry. The XL has been rated far better than the 365 by us men with big hands so I think I’ll be able to adjust with more practice on the range.
That's great! Thanks for watching and commenting
Where did you find a gun for sale? lol
@@jpjp3873 It wasn’t too bad actually. I called every gun store in my area looking for this specific gun, after my 3rd day of searching for reasonable prices I came across a mom-and-pop shop hidden in the middle of nowhere.
@@Anythingforfreedom That's great! congratulations 👍🇺🇸
@@jpjp3873 Thanks. Hopefully you can find what you’re looking for.
8:30 that first shot with the Hellcat. Even looks much more snappy. Also I have seen some other videos compairing these two and all say that the Hellcat is mpre snappy.
At 6'5" 220lbs I'm a pretty big guy too. I use a Hellcat with an optic as an EDC. It's not a lot of fun to go put 300 rounds through at the range, but I have guns that are so that doesn't really matter to me. I will train with the Hellcat to keep myself familiar with it, but at the end of the day it's a CCW that I hope I NEVER have to fire. It's really nice to be able to carry in shorts and a t-shirt and have no printing. I can pocket carry the Hellcat too, even with the optic installed. To me, it's all about carrying. As a CCP holder I know that more than likely I will carry my gun every day at least 12 to 15 hours a day but will probably never draw it and use it in self defense (hopefully I'll never use it). So trying to carry a G17 sized gun that may get left at home is not as good an option as having the Hellcat on me wherever I go. Whether it's in a pocket holster tucked in my waistband or in my pocket, an IWB holster, or an ankle holster. I know I can carry anywhere, anytime I want to. For times when the Hellcat is a little too big, I have an LCP I keep around.
The Hellcat has a nice "index" feature where the stippling has been carried up to the side of the frame giving you reference points for your thumb. Great for us big handed people who don't want flash burns on their thumb. Just put your thumb on the index point and you're good to go. The Hellcat also has a SLIGHTLY protruding guide rod which can help keep the gun in battery should you be grappling or have the gun up against someone. The coup de gras for me was the optic cut. In a self defense situation, I like to keep my eyes focused on the threat, not on my front sight. So the dot seals the deal.
You can change the grip module by removing the fire control group by taking out one pin.
The XL grip makes a world of difference, though it makes your 10 rnd mag useless.
I've had my Sig Sauer P365 for about a year now, and I shoot every weekend. I've shot literally thousands of rounds through it. There was one box of ammo that I had 3 failure to feeds, but other than that one batch of ammo I've had zero issues with the pistol. It is a very high quality firearm. I carry this weapon appendix iwb everywhere I go. It's as comfortable as a gun can be. I use a Kore Essentials gun belt and a Tulster kydex holster.
I just got the Sig P365 last month. I mounted a Holosun 407K on it. I shoot pretty good with a full size gun such as a Glock type platforms. So trying to get my trigger control better since it is snappy. I sold my Ruger LC9S and the Sig seems be less snappy.
In my Sig p365, I use the sig 12rd mags for iwb carry, and the 10rd mags for pocket carry. Love my p365, because a smaller more comfortable/concealable gun carried trumps world's best hand cannon left at home. I do switch to M&P 9 2.0 Compact if heading into questionable areas.
Is it challenging to pocket carry,
@@deplorable7575for pocket carry it is just a bit large, but doable.
Ive owned micros like the Seecamp, but anything smaller than the P365 compromises in almost every way. The P365 is the best compromise of handling, caliber, reliability, and concealibility I have yet to experience.
But what you personally can hit with under stress, is reliable, and one you will actually carry is the goal.
Too late, I already bought the 365XL, but my Kim sized hands have no complaints.
Great! Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
Nice to see someone knows how the run there slide! Good job young lady!
Out of everything I’ve owned the shield plus is the only one I’ve ever had a trigger safety issue with (trigger finger to high) & the only one I’ve ever been magazine pinched by…
love my 365. My hands fit it fine. I did swap out the grip assembly for the 12 round XL. Super easy to swap. Love it. Daily carry now for a couple of years. (P365X--Mullet gun.)
Thanks for the information and a fun video.
I did get a rail mod for my P365XL, so I added an APL-C on my 365, and believe they make them for both versions. I prefer my 320 for carry when I can, but the 365XL is nice when it is warmer out (most of the year in Phoenix. ) Extra cost, and a silly choice to make proprietary rails, but there are options.
I operated Sig’s 365 and the 365XL, those mag releases are faulty. Hard to press due to sitting too flush or flat and it sort of faces frontwards. It is awkwardly placed. It also does not eject properly. I wrote Sig about it as I found quite a few people around and on youtube that also complain about it. I reached out to Sig to see if they planned on updating the two pistols in the near future with a fix, and all I got in return was the concern will be passed on to the production department.
I carry a 43x with the Shield Arms mags. I’ve shot the 365 regular and XL as well as the Hellcat. I agree other than the XL the regular and Hellcat are too small and I’m only 5’8. If I weren’t happy with my 43x I’d carry the XL. If I had to pick between the two you’re reviewing I’d pick the Hellcat.
thanks for the honest reivew. I appreciate the feedback from both of you. Keep up the great work. Hopefully, I will get to take one of your courses and talk to you in person.
We look forward to it, thanks for watching
Kim those girls your packing are the main reason why I'm a big fan! Keep up the excellent work & watch out for those hot shells.
Owning both, for me they're both so close to each other I really don't notice the differences. In the nature of full disclosure, I've been using an ancient Mk4 Series 80 Stainless Officers ACP for way too long, and finally decided I had to modernize on the EDC side of things. When you're used to a small 45, neither one really "snaps", and the 1911 trigger is what it is where the Hellcat or P365 really can't compete. The one thing that annoyed me about the Hellcat is the U-sight, but I guess that's why I put the RMRcc on it first, and will put a red dot on the P365 in the near future, more because I'm getting old and need reading glasses these days to see the front sight (and the dot's do bring up a new set of challenges.)
Kim handles the P365 recoil like a boss!!! Kim @7:48 & 10:44 Neil @14:24 I slowed the video to 0.25 speed just to appreciate it. Anyone else notice that? Is this due to technique, hand size, or both? Neil prefers the HC because of his hand size. Kim prefers the P365 because of her hand size. In both of the guns it looks like Neil bends his wrist very slightly more than Kim in response to the recoil.
I like my hellcat but for larger hands it's more of a challenge to release the mag. Also I installed an ext. Mag release. The palm though does interfere with the mag. Good video
First, these guns are designed for deep concealed carry. Not for backup. Deep conceal as the primary CC weapon. I can put this in a pocket holster with no printing. I also use it in an ankle holster. Why? Because were I live and work I tuck my shirt in and do not wear a jacket. Pocket or ankle carry is my only means of concealed carry. The gun, therefore, needs to have a high capacity of 9mm and be very small. The Sig does that better than anyone else. I have fairly large hands as well and have no problem with this gun. Second, your grip does not require that you stick your thumb pointed along the side of the slide. I see that all the time. That really does not help you shoot better. I have always wrapped my left hand thumb directly on top of my right hand thumb. My fingers do not come anywhere near the slide, the slide release, or the magazine release. Easy to shoot very accurately that way with great control. This has 12+1 rounds with the extended magazine for the P365. No other gun comes close to being the near perfect CC gun as the Sig. Everyone else will be trying to duplicate this for years.
Thank you both for your truth and honesty.
Thanks for watching!!😁
Nice that you two didn’t bash the two guns that badly thank you
Great video. Useful information so one can make a knowable purchase. Thanks to both of you.
Thanks for watching
Love my p365. I have medium sized hands and it actually feels great for me. Complements my mp 2.0 compact. Between the two I usually have a good option
Great pistols! Thanks for watching and commenting
@@geaugafirearmsacademy thank you guys for all the great work that you do! I’ve been watching for years since I first started getting into guns and self defense, and your videos have helped me a lot. Take care
@@FreeThink1984 thank you!!!
The aftermarkets availability for the 365 hands down wins it for me. Took my 365 to the range when I first got it and compared it with the xds it was replacing for my edc . My shot group was more accurate as well. If you love to customize your firearms your going to love the 365.
Kim all I've got to say is with your beautiful red long flowing hair you look fantastic shooting either one of them guns. But I think I would prefer the hellcat.
Thank you!!
cathell!
Kim IS easy on the eyes but you have to admit Neil looks better with the beard! Thanks guys for sharing, love you’re videos!!!
Hey Guys, great review. Your video popped up on my home page, which is crazy because I just realized you guys were just teaching a class when my buddy and I came in this weekend. We hit the rifle range, then the pistol bay!! Is a very small world!!!
That's crazy! Thanks for watching
I selected my 365 as my edc about a year and a half ago after doing some training and qual with it. I’m a big guy with large hands. That’s my reason for preferring the 12 round mag.
After numerous qualifications and training days, I’m convinced I made the right choice versus the larger alternatives I had. It has great sites, is very easy to fire accurately and recoil is not too bad. Finally, it’s extremely concealable!
The one caveat is I had to retrain myself for when using the 365 to drop my magazine with my support hand. After practice it becomes easy, and hasn’t impacted my muscle memory to do one-handed magazine releases with other guns.
Overall, it’s easily a gun I recommend to people.
Nice review, thanks for the review.
Great review, thank you. I subscribed because it was so nice I want to see what you guys have to say about other products.
That being said I was all sold on the Hellcat myself and went down to the store, mainly because of the capacity size and the cutout for the RMR on top of the slide, but then I see that it's made in Croatia?
Nothing wrong with Croatia but the other one is made in US. Thankfully my local store had an exclusive on the P365 and they gave it to me with three 12 round magazines for the same price, it is the SAS model but with the laser I was already planning on putting on it, that's even better for deep conceal.
I purchased the Sig P365 and I have rather large hands. It doesn't fill my hand like a G19 does but I shoot it just as well and that is what really matters. I do like the way the P365 narrows towards the trigger and also the trigger breaks at 90 degrees which improves groups in my opinion. This because after your index finger passes that point your hand naturally starts incorporating other muscles.
The biggest + on the Hellcat is the precut for optics slide. Man I wish my Sig had that and it costs a pretty penny after the fact. That and 1 extra round is a small bonus. Bottom line these are both exceptional firearms in my opinion.
I want one of these but don't want to pay upward of $1400 here in CA. I have a G26 for carry every day.
Yes, that is terrible. My brother lives there and wants one too. Thanks for watching and commenting
Can't you just take a road trip to another state and buy it, just wondering.
Don’t understand why the 365 costs so much in CA. There bout $600 in Tx and Fl.
Your just fine with a G26. The average built person can conceal a G26 no problem. That’s what it was designed for.
Is it blocky as some say, yes it’s a Glock . I happen to appreciate the blocky utilitarian no bulls#%t look and function of glocks . Some say the trigger is crappy on the Glock , not true it’s just a Glock trigger. It just takes a little practice to appreciate it.I was not always a Glock guy , I’m old, 1911’s and revolvers were the only way to go. Then one day I tried a Glock 21, I immediately bought one and to this day not one malfunction. I have 4 glocks now . The only one I ever had an issue with is the G34 because it had all extras added on, I put back all the factory parts and good to go. All the others are stock out of the box and run flawlessly. You can use you 26 as a hammer and it will still run fine. When you finally escape from California buy both the 365 and the Hellcat to celebrate. Until then your 26 is more than adequate. Watch Shane Coley
Michelle Viscusi or even Hickok45 run a Glock.
One Handed shooting is great super conceal nice back up for my Raptor Ultra 45 ,works great with Alien ankle holster, Great Review showing 2 totally different body types, just subscribed
The first time Kim shot the Sig (with ammo) I noticed her stance. It took me back to the video series (I think there were 8) for beginner to "body stacker" Niel (if I remember correctly) had a hard time getting Kim to lean into the target, nose over toes thing. Kim did it perfectly without any coaching. .......they grow up so fast.......Lol
Thank you
Great comparison video. Thanks folks.
LOL right off the bat, I'm with Kim from a comfort/grip standpoint. I wear a medium glove and one of my favorite carries is an XDS SC 40. Hard to slip a 1911 or a Desert Eagle into you hoodie pocket 😀👍 When you get a little older you'll appreciate that U notch because it's quicker to acquire with older eyes. Who says and where is it written you MUST shoot two handed ???
Thanks for watching
Grip without 12-round mag is too small, agreed. With 12-round extended mag is good, but XL grip is the answer for me, 6'2", 11.5 glove.
NOTE: The laws of physics do NOT change. The barrel length is the same on both pistols and the 9mm cartridges (I assume) are the same.
So as far as snappy, it's a judgement call by the user but, the laws do not change. They will retort the same. But, as you both noted, hand size makes a BIG difference in how you hold the pistol.
God Bless
Yes, but the SIG fits my hand better and I was able to have a better grip. I said "I felt" not "it is" snappy.
Not true, guide rod spring weight will make a noticeable difference. So I’m willing to bet the Sig is a little over sprung. One way to tell is how far the brass is flying out. In this vid the HC is throwing brass twice as far in some instances.
I recently lightened the guide rod spring on my VP9 which had really weak ejection. It now throws brass 2-3 times further than it did before.
Agree that the total force must be the same but how that force interacts with your hand differs from gun to gun on other factors. Barrel height above hand, weight of gun, angle of grip are examples that will give a different feel in recoil even though the total force is the same. Go shoot a Beretta 92fs and then a Glock with equivalent barrel length. Their recoil will feel different and one may feel snappy-er then the other.
Nice and I'm loving those twins. I'd love to go on maneuvers either of them. These basically the same exact guns. Me and those Sigs would have Hellcat of a time. :-)....
Glad Neil shared his stats. Was wondering for comparison. Now I know it’s not just me thinking it’s a tiny gun.
Great job guys!