I'm from Japan, which is also one of the Asian countries that outperformed Finland on PISA in 2015, but I don't think this means that the Japanese education is better than that of Finland at all. We might be better at earning higher scores on tests, but performing well on tests and possessing problem-solving skills for the real life are 2 different things. In Japan, the competition has become so harsh that now there is a huge gap between "smart children" and "underperforming children". Sadly, those less successful children are often labeled as failures, don't get enough supports and left behind and abandoned. And the poverty issue makes the problem even worse. The Japanese society is structured in an unfair way, where those with financial hardships are almost destined to fail. Finland certainly used to be the best at PISA and now it is not, and it's somewhat understandable that you feel insecure because of that. But the most important thing that Finland should hold on to is "equity over competition", "cooperation over competition". Do not lose this Finnish virtue. I don't want Finland to consider Asian countries to be a superior educational model. We Asian countries still have so much to learn from Finland.
Education is not a competition. It is learning and human development. Not everyone needs the same information at the same time or has the same abilities in the same subject. Test scores do not fully represent this. International competition ignores cultural differences. Education is not a competition. Creativity is so important especially in many jobs in the world today. Creativity is what helps us to keep learning after school. It is skill which should be given time and space to develop not stifle. It is through creativity humanity develops not rote memorization and competition.
@Robert Lee Have you heard of private schools? They're expensive because they develop their education. It's the same for private hospitals so your comment means very little for people who do want to compete. They have options. Your comment makes it seem like they don't.
Finland Education doesn't value standardized test and their ministers have said that they don't value the results of PISA, Cooperation is more important than Competition or Comparison!
the future is COOPERATION and not competition. Maybe she has personal reason to be number one and want to put that in the sistem . No way ! let people enjoy school, and let one who wants to compete to do that at home, not forced by the system.
The point on which I strongly disagree is that learning is a competition. A competition always has the focus on winning and there will always be losers. I am not against studying hard at all, but I think this can be obtained by making students aware of the merits of studying. I believe that internal motivation will work better in the long term than the external motivation of comparing oneself to others all the time.
Merits are also external to oneself. So it's disputable topic. Competition is only thing that can show you if you are in a real life advantge or not. You may think you are genius but oly compared to others you can know for sure. Science does not work on sole examples - it needs tons of evidence. It is natural competition of life facts. There is always someone who better in something and someone who lose. Life is all about the best working choices that have long-standing effects. Inelligence is not about rich imgination butmore about solving complex life problems. Asian countries make a lot of things Finland can't - because they tends to be effeciveness-focused, not equality-focused.
If you think you are a genius, it doesn´t matter if it is compared to others, if you think it for yourself, this will give enough motivation to continue with what you are doing. Moreover, I think merits can indeed be external, but they can certanly also be internal. For instance the motivation to reach a certain goal can be internal motivation, So studying has the merits of reaching this goal. Your last argument is not valid. The fact that Asian countries, for instance China 'make' things does not prove that effective focussed works better. When you would scale the economy of Finland to that of China, the Finnish economy would be much larger. Equality has the benefit that every person has a change to excel, which will result in a much larger potential of human capital in an equal population.
***** Nohing is worse then self-lying person who thinks he or she is genius without any evidence tht comes from experience and fair perspective. Most people are disgusted about ones who hinks that they are equal or superior to them without doing really well in reality. Even if they are from very equality-crazycountry. They just suppres their true feelings about untruth, unfairness and dishonour of their own society. They may be brainwashed by agressive one-sided propaganda of equaliy and @all we are genius in different things@ but it' just a lie to make person feel better nd not to fight for really good changes in their neighborhood, in their country and in the hole world.. World need good professionals - and also good and fair reaction to the results of thir activities.
When you don’t get successful because you didn’t study, the regret that ensues, especially when you see your friends who studied and worked hard are successful, is not good
@@danielm173 you just gotta study more on your free time lol and the Finnish system allow you to have extra time to choose what to study and hyper specialize/learn extra skills
I think *creativity is important* (in survival, problem solving you name it), and *fun* boosts creativity. The thing is, Asian education systems stifles both fun (depending on your disposition to studying) and creativity. This is because the Asian education system is a _system_ . The preoccupation of Asian edu system students becomes _hacking the system_ , not learning. Even open-ended questions have a list of 'desirable' answers. As a result, Asian students usually _can't think out of the box_ , either because they are not asked to or not allowed to. But I agree that hard work breeds endurance. And a tough system can make that happen. But in a result oriented, emotionally detached and competitive environment, you get depressed kids and suicides. We need to find a balance between the two. Creativity and exploration + hard work and attitude. Just my 2 cents.
I couldn't disagree more with this girl. she doesn't seem to understand what learning is all about. Learning is not a ranking list, but a beautiful and personal experience which brings the best out of you to succeed in life. PISA is just another tool for capitalist competition. Very shortsighted speech. Education can't be tainted with economical power.
Roysebastymateo Granados, yes learning is something that prepares you for life and grows you in knowledge and character, but here I think she is trying to make the point that competition is healthy, because the further we drive ourselves to improve how we learn, the faster and better it will become. Competition is just a driving factor here, which I think she was saying we should not lose sight of that.
@@averyharbison8887 Competition is not healthy. Competition makes us egoistic, and keeps us apart from knowing ourself , our passion, our JOY. The Planet in "her" wisdom gave us the ultimate warning, you start cooperate or you dissapear, simple as that.
@@inlumina_punctro Sure, and I'm not saying that competition doesn't do all those things. What it is healthy for, is results, which I should have clarified. I think what she's saying is that we shouldn't just sit and let idle time waste from a lack of competition. As she said, many students sat and waited around for a year, which is time lost that they could have been spent doing other things. Her point (in my interpretation) is that a joint of mental health and competition is what would be beneficial to everyone. And personally I agree with her. I think many people just liken the system she's describing, to the one that they've experienced and disliked.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. You seem to be paid or brain washed to defame Finnish Education System. At the age of just 20 Finnish students can easily communicate in more than two languages. It's a clear sign of excellence. There are certain genres and definitely certain people to be fitted in them and Finnish Educators support them to Excell in their favourite ones. One thing I know from my personal observation is that it's not the school or university who produce an Einstein but it's the student who really wants to become an Einstein and he certainly finds time and ways to make his goal realized.
Asian education standards are higher than Finnish ones. The gap gets exponentially big when you get to Britain and America. This is objectively true in terms of mathematics and other STEM related fields. In a few decades Asia will be the global leader in science and technology. You can have a free system but it won't match up to that of Japan. I don't know if she is brainwashed against Finland as she's Finnish herself.
she makes some interesting points, but I think we all measure things differently. she wants to get back on top. why is that so important to her? that would be my question for her
Sam Lee Standardized tests aren’t the only determining factor in who is “best”. I agree that we should always strive for improvement, but standardized tests aren’t it my friend.
She gathered here quite a pile of disagreeing comments, here is one more. - Competition is as healthy as our present society is. - If you try to take away the fun and joy from learning, i will find you in dreams and hunt you, kidding :) What Finland achieved is almost a miracle considering how obsessed of competition we are. - Remember how learning is done in the nature, by PLAYing. Who wants to perform and work hard can do this at home or go to olympics. Some people here say that critical thinking/outside the box is not the result of stress, and hard work. (i am sorry if you were stressed when you learned english grammar, next time add some joy in it, use your imagination to do so). If you want to make and app, just ask someone who can code and who became a good coder by studying alone at home, school is not a place for stress, we've experienced enough of that. And guess who can do BETTER code than humans soon ? A.I. artificial inteligence. My guess is that you are a bit frustrated (we all are after all) yourself in your private life, if you don't mind and you think you can get personal value from being on top. Planet gave us the final warning in these recent times : IF YOU DON'T START COOPERATING TO EACHOTHER I WILL MAKE YOU DISAPPEAR Education should become for all and remain Joy- fun -stressfree If you think otherwise, is because you look into the past, and not the future.
😌 curiosity, imagination and social bonding and networks are the keys to success in Finland education. We all need a healthy way to explore anything not deadly hunt for success.
It's true, Asia's education system values hard work, and we really need that. At the same time, we need Finland's education system's freedom to explore, and learn what you want (not in a predetermined syllabus in Asia). How can we combine the two?
Unfortunately this girl is trying to undo all the good that the finnish education system has achieved...You cannot enable progressive creative thinking and problem solving if you add fear of failure into the equation. She seems to be cherry picking the worst elements of the Hong Kong education system, and suggesting the Finns should implement them back into the their education system, that thank God, they had the sense to get rid of in the education revolution of late 60ies early 70ies. What an ill informed presentation.But she is young and still has a lot to learn!!!!
Hannamiina, I found your talk interesting. However, I find your conclusions very worrying. There is more and more evidence to show that these constrained school systems in which myself and millions of others have passed is a massive danger to who we are. Having seen a video on the Sudbury Valley school in the USA recently I am convinced n the enormous necessity for change in how students learn. I'm more and more convinced that the best way to teach our children is to leave them alone. Who cares about PISA tests!
Criticizing students or admonishing them when they don’t do well have the opposite effect and quite often they get discouraged to try harder.Physical punishment has no place in education and students should learn without fear and the purpose of school is to learn and not to fear time sensitive tests.We have to remember that there’s variation in how each individual approach learning.What sort of circumstances they have at home , nutrition ,mental capacity plus many other things matter.
When i was in primary school my grade was always very poor because in primarg school teachers are used to punish student. But in high school my exam grade was increasing day by day because in high school teachers mitigate punishment..
Finnish Education System is awesome.. but I hope Education System would be a combination of Finnish and Japan's Education System.. for Japan, I really salute how they value morality, customs and traditions and most especially, discipline and independence...
Competition is a real aspect of life. It's probably not good to act as though it doesn't exist. They might take it out of schools but it'll be waiting for them when they get out.
Learning needs to be fun. Learning is not only for PISA exams. We shouldn't force students in a way that makes learning not fun for them because learning will happen in a life time. Who wants to keep studying their whole life thinking it is not fun? Life is much better when children understand the joy of learning.
I read some comments. Then, I noticed most of you were debating about having or not having fun. I would say there are personalities who simply hate having fun and love sitting down and memorizing. On the other hand, there are persons who can not be sitting down for more than 1 minutes without getting in trouble...
I think no education system is perfect.. We just have to take best part of each education system from various countries and put it into a single system making a world education system.. That's the best.. Hope future generation don't have to suffer like us.. Peace for students
lol, ambitious girl. Studying in Asia is not as good as you think. Many student here just studying to get a good score,not to get the knowledge. You just studying in Asia when you at college degree, you should studying in Asia since primary school to know how stressful is the Asian education system is. Why did you think many students attempt suicide? because they are not good enough in several topic in school or university, but they are forced to do so and get a good result at that topic, so naturally they fell stress and want to do suicide. Maybe yes the their PISA score is higher, but the student is not fulfilling their live, they just study like a robot. Maybe you think that is a good point, maybe because you like and good at study. Recently my friend was graduated from University in Asia with "let's say good GPA" but he tell me that many precious time was gone because the education system forced him to get good score, and sometime he feel stress, and think about committing suicide.
I have been teaching University students in Asia for the past 4 years and when she said that "in Asia there is no such thing as forgetting to do homework or not taking an exam" I spit my milk.
I'm high school student in Finland and I personally have never been given easier problems or anything like even though I was not very good in all of the subjects.
I'm not Finnish so I don't really count, but it seems to me that the lack of competition is what made your education system superior in the first place. There is still no good reason to insist that every child be acutely aware of their competitive existence. If you feel that more child engagement is necessary and that it is a moral imperative for your nation, then more, "mandatory fun" it is, that is not the same thing as completely changing the culture.
One should watch the movie '3 idiots' to know the current drawbacks of Asian education system. This movie is popular in India and China. May be more number of students per class prevents Asian education system from giving individual attention to students. So Asian countries prefer standardized tests. Also people choose courses often on the basis of current demand for the speciality and not on the basis of individual interest. Now the industry bodies complain that many graduates do not have necessary skills.
Yes, there's a line between good and bad competition but I think that good competition is the one you have with yourself. If you really want to excel at something, for example math, you can use your extra time after school to learn more about it than just waiting for the teacher to give you more challenging problems. In short, I believe that school can just teach the basics and promote surpassing your own challenges and learn more after school in any area in which you want to know more about. I'm from the Philippines and I maybe a little salty for classes that start at 7am and end at 7pm and have excessive amount of homeworks that leaves me with no sleep. Even harder, I'm inclined with arts and it's sad I just can't enjoy for no time could be dedicated
Please don't come and study in India. If you want to pass tests, it's the best for you. If you want to get stressed daily, do come here to study. But if you want to learn and apply what you've learnt, India ain't the place for any student.
I disagree with this lady; I am African, studied university in Asia; children commit suicide because of pressure on performance in school; unfortunately my country is also picking up on the pressure. For this reason I have chosen to put my children in very expensive European system to allow them to play and learn like I did before my country picked the pressure. Talent and time is key to creating new things not pressure.
I'm from India and I live in Finland now. So, I kind of get what you are saying.But, From the human perspective, you have completely forgotten about weather differences in Finland vs Asian countries. Asian countries have sun shining all day and people feel motivated and can handle pressure even better. I don't see if same is possible in Finland where winter days lasts for just 3-4 hours.
She used a point that the best students do all of the courses in 2 years and then just hang around for the 3rd year. This is completely false and up to the students to decide. In Finland you can choose to do the High School in 2 years, 2,5 years, 3 years, 3,5 years etc.. She is generalizing and I don't think she is using good points in her speech.
Actually the point is Life actually meant to be happy, survive and live at the fullest, and that's what Finland is doing. Definitely work hard should be the slogan but just to be happy and not to gain fame and money. There is no meaning of a competition which make someone feel that he is any less than the other. We want a world where equality is at every step of life and that would only happen when we are not fighting against each other to survive rather we need to work together for the betterment. So, FINLAND is doing great and they don't need to check the PISA results (PISA is not the CREATOR after all!!)
I believe that a better education should be built by combining the Asian and the Finland education system. A system where people learn to work hard during school while also leaning how to live and enjoy life. Seeing the beauty in everything. Until last year I used to study in India and my school pressured us so much. Into studying, more like memorising, different stuff. I'm really thankful that I had the chance to come to US and see what their education system is like for myself. I would have loved to study in Finland but that is not possible now. I used to hate school because of all the pressure they used to put on us but now I love it. So, schools should be made using a mix of Finnish and Asian education systems to create a better society.
As a Korean student, I think Korea has a bad education system. Many Korean students go to expensive academies after school everyday. Some students who don't have enough money can't go to academies. Going to academies makes a huge educational(?) gap between students in Korea. Most Korean people think that rich people have more chances to enter prestigious universities.(and it's true!! There are many documentaries about education inequality) Well...it's hard to explain the Korean edu system in English. If you're a Korean, u will understand what I'm saying immediately.😅
Zubaer Ahmed For meta-knowledge of a language, grammar is useful. Grammar is not a description of language, it's a description of Latin language that is often used as a tool to understand other languages. No languages "have grammar". Languages exist as tools for communication and are from students analyzed with the help of grammar. Grammar isn't "discovered" realities like maths or laws of physics, grammar is invented systems for classifying phenomena in languages in a way that is considered useful. Grammar as a description of finnish language is an exellent example of where the tool (grammar) reaches its limits.
@@knuthenriksommer4982 Really appreciated your comment. Agree with everything you wrote. One problem is the word "grammar" itself and how it's viewed as a monolithic entity. Infants definitely learn grammar but it's difficult to explicate that fact in a pithy and succinct way. Why drives us to Iearn languages? I think langauges exist as tools for "tribe" bonding and identity formation first and communication second...the grammar of belonging. This invisible pillar of language is incredibly powerful but notoriously difficult to measure and operationalize as a construct. On another note, there is a deep grammar (not the explicit, arbritrary one) that scientists are searching for. Benjamin Bergen is good place to start.
Maybe a middle ground between the western system and the Asian system would be ideal. I do agree that learning does not always have to be fun. The fun part comes after you master what you want to learn.
It's the Finns who are setting the educational standard. Schools in Asia (and everywhere else) need to implement their system. Here are some numbers: Finland, pop 5.5 m, 5 Nobel Prizes; China, pop 1.4 billion, 8 Nobel Prizes; South Korea, pop 51 m, 2 NP; Taiwan, pop 23 m, 1 NP). And it was Nokia --- _not_ Steve Jobs --- who invented the smartphone.
Instead of dividing questions as Difficult or Easy Tell them as More Interesting and Less interesting.. Since after understanding the difficult question we get more happy and joyed than less interesting.
As someone from East Aisa I would enjoy going to school in Finland or any other part of the world. The school feels more like prison, the long school hours are to accommodate long working hours of parents. There's very little regard of feelings of children or teenager, they may be very well trained intellectually but pretty deprived on the emotional level.
Well done to this young lady for speaking her opinion and her truth. This to me however is a total miss of the whole point and definitely not an idea worth spreading IMO and truth.
Everyone could talk about collaboration, but if u shoved every SoundCloud rapper together, they’re not going to be able to solve simple math problems and other simple stuff. So people need to focus not only on collaboration but also each individuals performance. (Collaboration is important, but intellectually individuality needs to be required before we start to collaborate)
who cares about the a countries ranking as far as education,so long as people know what they need to to live their lives.Learning shouldnt be a contest,it should be about knowledge,bieng able to do what you need/want to and improving the quality of life for yourself and others. You shouldnt need a score of 80 to get into the Tertiary coarse you want,or any score for that matter.
All what is mentioned in this video is completely what the Finnish educational philosophy is very against I do very much love the Finnish approach to educating the child
Finland's ranking is dropping at a breakneck pace. Education had been independent in schools. Now Politicians and senior officials make themselves important and, in their own opinion now, “invent” good new methods and projects to make the system more efficient. The teaching is now mixed up. The ranking will drop drastically. Even officials sites block all comments.
Even good student have their pressure because of their family and teachers. I am a good student in class but I always have to try hard under pressure to maintain good grades. Because if I have a bad grade just once, I will be censured. I feel really bad because of this education system.
The moment you start competing with other countries, you have lost the war. If you don't be sensitive to the weak, you are weak yourself.Finland is fine, it does not need competition. the points that you gave to change are the reason for all the difficulties that is going on in asia. if you want difficulties, make them yourself, don't make a system that burn child mentality. don't impose your standards on others.
You can really tell that she is high school student with no background in teaching. The whole talk boiled down to they work harder and longer so for us to beat them we need to work as hard or even more. Also Most of the high performance Asian countries rehearse for Pisa and last point I want to make is that maybe we should extend our measurements of performance when it comes to school success I think it would be much more helpful to come out of the school with the ability and drive to keep learning through life not burned out not wanting to see whiteboard or waiting to open book ever again.
She’s privileged to have been given the benefit of both systems. But the stakes are high here. In the US huge tracts of the people are written off. The social cost is enormous. And the US is more like the Asian system she recommends.
Unhealthy competition leads to the deterioration of mental health. I’m from an Asian country and I do admit the amount of stress to strive to get the best result and meet family expectations. Life is all about learning. If I will be given the chance to study in Finland, it will be my golden opportunity. In my view, maybe if there is a combination of the Asian education system and the Finnish education system, it might be great as there is competition and collaboration. We might shape an individual who can compete healthily while being collaborative.
It sounds like this woman maybe didn't feel challenged by her own education. However, her points are very anecdotal and seem poorly researched. I wonder whether her feelings further support the argument for self-directed learning. If she wanted to learn more, she should have had the opportunity to do that, in her own way. Learning should be fun. It should be meaningful. Children should not be pushed and pushed to work harder and harder until they completely burn out. Children are not academic robots.
I think there should be cooperative competition where student don't compeete with each other as much or grade but unite for a common cause. Where they can think critically but also value hard work. So what I mean by cooperative competitiveness is to be united in solving the problems and not having just division of each man for themselves to solve a problems but each student cooperate and compeete against the most difficult problems and share ideas and thought with each other and play on each others strengths. Making them compete for a common cause against hard problems and even harder problems thus creating a common goals a huge challenges that seem impossible at first but then becomes possible. Children have to be interactive they have to be faced with a huge problems which they might not understand at first but want to overcome. Let's say we give a university complexity mathematical equation. They might not understand what those equations would mean as they might be too long and complex, but you present children with a goal or a huge problem as a goal to reach. Then give those students autonomy to communicate with each other and think how to overcome those problems. Then let the students ask questions about that formula and certain aspects of it they would like to understand and then choose topics for the next class based on what they want to understand in it thus having that complex formula as a basis for that topic by dissecting and learning pieces of it by starting to understand more and more complex concepts as they go along. All of a sudden that big unreadable formula they couldn't not understand becomes apparent to them as you do not give away the solution for it. They might come into problems but as they go along and cooperate they start to figure it out little by little and start to make sense of it. I imagine it as being a difficult final boss of a sorts which you might not defeat on a first go but as you try you start to learn more about the patterns and their moves you start to find solutions even if you fail 100 of times. You bring motivation to overcome that challenge and when you overcome it you do it not at the expense of other people but as a homogenous group of people who help each other to understand and overcome that challenge. When we are stuck on on a certain problem others can step up and help show how it's done and how they are doing it and by try to repeat it based on that they can create a new way of perceiving it. Students can then create their own problems that others can solve or try to solve as sort of changes for each others as sort of a quiz. And in other areas where people are struggling or might struggle those people can help those who helped them. Creating a teamwork and care for each other. People need to feel sense of community and unity with high and almost unreachable goals as their goals. Then they will be able to overcome or be the best in what they do. With separation people become more closed minded selfish less likely to help others or down right competitive to the point of back stabbing. If this would be combined in their school systems then probably children would not be divided to more complex and less complex levels and encourage each other and support each other more and not be satisfied with a glass ceilings. These are my thoughts.
I don't know when India would attain such mentality towards educational system. Here there is still a marathon race for high scores and even the parents have the same mindset. There is a huge competition between the schools and the best schools are the ones whose academic scores are the highest in board examinations. Students are stressed with lots of academic pressures and eventually most of the students loose interest in learning and label themselves as good for nothing. Another tendency mushrooming up is the concept of coaching institutes and dummy schools where in students are made to study 12 hours a day for the competitive examinations . The funniest part is every parent wants that their children should become an IITan or a doctor irrespective of their interest , passion and potential. It s high time for the teachers and the parents to wake up and bring a change in educational system in the country, by giving more importance to human excellence and environmental excellence than academic excellence. The eroding values in the Indian society is because of the faulty system of education prevailing here. Parents and the educators are equally responsible for this situation. Academic excellence alone does not define a person. Please try to understand....
Great! Especially the part of "having fun" - I can't agree more with you... nowadays people are so used to just have superficial fun experiences and they are trying to integrate them into education. I think that many of them are confusing the concept of "entertainment" with "art"... Leave the entertainment out of classroom, but bring the art into it.
10:35 "Talent is 99% hard work." Agree. I hate when in 9 out of 10 cases people abuse the word "talent" to explain why somebody else could achieve something and somebody else not.
Yes i agree with you we should learn from each other. I think a hybrid education system can be a batter option, actually Asian countries have large populations due to which their systems are different from European systems . Positive competition and intrinsic motivation can protect the students from depression .
China is now number 1 on the PISA scores. Asia is also rising in innovation and patents. Asia will leave Europe behind this century. Education is the final blow.
I thought I'd point this out - she talked about "not enjoying" learning English grammar as if she was grinding the theory for hours. Yes, her English isn't terrible, but I've heard Fins talk English and it's much better than hers.
edyth711 That's a good point and I agree that without effort nothing can be accomplished. I would have to add that she's speaking publicly which isn't easy, even for natives. Still it'd be interesting to see how fluent the English of a similar learner under the Finnish system would be.
Although educated in Finland she hasn't taken on board the ethos if the Finish education system in that children are given an opportunity to really understand what they are taught as opposed to the eastern education system that tries to cram in as much teaching as possible in order to get higher scores in tests.
Yep i think finnish is more need to the students to "understand" what the teacher meant not just hearing "why u dont hear me teaching!" Say teachers everytime i am not understand and asking her for help.
Absolutely loved the talk, very cogent, I don't think it is about the PISA rankings, every system has its pros and cons, we all can learn from each other, amazing points made I think what Hanna is trying to tell is Asian education isn't useless the way people think and Finnish education system is not the panacea we assume it to be, we must keep learning from each other and fine tuning things even more ( I am writing this after reading the comments, I don't think getting up on PISA was the theme of the topic, it was making Finnish education system better)
I think I understand what she is trying to say. I have heard of the same thing, one of my Belgian colleague once mentioned, that they are not given enough problem of integration or differentiation to solve for home, which Asians do normally to prepare for exams and because they dont work for more amount of problems, so it dont come to them to solve so easily in later stage when used in PhD for example.. I think asian culture stresses too much and reform would be good to get out of the utilitarian mindset but it is good in a way of practice but that's under pressure too. I dont know if ever anything is possible without feeling pressure. Why can't everything be as natural? Finnish culture actually tried to make something natural and so understanding. It should have taken immense amount of persistent work, I can imagine.
you dont even know what it feels like to be in india u just talk abt the finnish education is like it just doesn't give students pressure to read and perform
I too want such environment of learning ! But unluckily in our india, teacher's college and university from where she / he pursued masters matters MOST than teacher's interest , love and passion towards teaching
International studies once showed that Finnish student performance was below average. The Government wanted improvement and sent educators around the world to see what worked in other countries. The government decided to abolish their selective system and grammar schools were replaced with comprehensive schools. The Government decided to have mixed ability classes with no streaming or setting. The Government introduced a law so that all children have a 15 minute break after 45 minutes of teaching. This prevents cognitive overload for pupils and teachers. Pupils value their frequent breaks and are reluctant to lose any through misbehaviour.
It is very important how happy children feel at school , how many languages children speaks & how much these children consider the school as their own home. In Finland most of them able to speak 3 or 4 languages. They are belong to their own friends & teachers & entire of environment. So base of these indicators , Finland is much better.
Asians are more logical; I learned both system and I can say the best medical schools are china and I am proud of graduated from China. Competitions make perfect. Also more practical. Logical presentation and sense of humor are typical Asia’s education way. If you don’t have solid foundation of undergrad how can you proceed to research and practice? Uni and education are not only teach you how to be creative and also to memorize and understand. Apply and master the knowledge and skills are important. To think in a systematic way, logical way are the advantage of the Asians education system.
Exactly, someone finally came out and said it, also the Chinese education system seems to be very different from the vast majority in Asia, that is pretty interesting.
You highlighted the most important part of any educational system, namely, the imparting of the knowledge of the need to work diligently at a task until understanding and mastery is achieved, which if not done, will eventually impoverish the student and stunt growth and human potential.
I would like to differentiate about the understanding of context "suomisvenska" what you have derived and what i have derived of the tedx talk. Ms. Hannamiina has clearly stated that she is not appreciating the Asian education system neither is she condemning the Finnish education system. She states that how to improvise the "Finnish" education system and that too not to "win" on any program, but to produce better and evolutionary humans. She has clearly mentioned 5 points which if worked upon in a better context as is in the asian economy the "FINNISH" education system and there human resources will definitely improvise. Those are a) HARD WORK (she has mentioned when a student becomes an individual of great thoughts who needs to convert those ideas and thoughts into reality, the student will need stamina in order to do that). This stamina building process may be hurtful at times for a child but they need to go through this and thus they will be able to shape their thoughts. (b) JUST PROBLEMS (NOT THE EASY ONES) : In order to put the hard work to use they need to tell the student that they can solve the hardest problem. There may be a different route, different time, different pace and different place for every individual to solve a problem but providing them easier problems is not the solution , they need to solve all problems irrespective of their intensity. And we all know that we have the possibility to solve any problem that we choose. And our choices are something that should come from within. But, we will choose the tough ones only once we are ready for those. (c) ENCOURAGING TALENTS : Acclamation to extensive hard work, risk appetite, focus will work for more and more students, people and communities of Finland adapting to similar values. (d) COMPETITION : The competition moves us. A lot of the time in our lives we may think that what we have done is enough. It's too good. There's nothing more to achieve. This complacency is damaging. But, who tells us we are getting complacent. It's the competition. (e) PERSPECTIVE ON FUN & CREATIVITY : As explained that learning "English grammar" may not be fun today to a student. But, once this student later in life experiences the same while using "English grammar" to communicate to the world he appreciates the same.
"There is no such thing as Asian stereotype" - Now that we haven gotten that out of the way, let me say: "there is no such thing as I forgot to do my homework" in Asia... Yea, as a teacher in China for 3 years, you just stereotyped Chinese learners.
My classmate commit suicide because she couldn't handle the pressure that she needed to get into great school. Scores first is the worst education system to me.
I know what it's like to feel suicidal, nothing in world can justify something, that makes people feel this way. Like traditonal school system for example, that forces children to do things without reason, doesn't even pay them money for it, stresses them over things that doesn't matter (school makes us stressed about our marks 1000× more than about our planet or suffering of people) and they are telling them over and over: this is for your own good, you should be gratefull to us. Learning is the gratest gift, but learning does not equal to going to school. Learn about democratic school education.
Seems like Asians are statistical. Go Finland! Keep your stress free ways. Just develop it. Improve it. Think how you can make it even better. It is your trade mark. Keep on improving it. By the way, it was an interesting point of view. Thank you for your speech young lady.
at university level hard work and pushing yourself forward is important, however for elementary school children all that pressure is not helpful, it just causes stress and anxiety which does not help kids learn better or develop critical thinking.
Rambling, structureless speech populated with opinions and not facts. As a product of both education systems, this graduate doesn't exemplify the best qualities of either of them.
I'm from Japan, which is also one of the Asian countries that outperformed Finland on PISA in 2015, but I don't think this means that the Japanese education is better than that of Finland at all.
We might be better at earning higher scores on tests, but performing well on tests and possessing problem-solving skills for the real life are 2 different things.
In Japan, the competition has become so harsh that now there is a huge gap between "smart children" and "underperforming children". Sadly, those less successful children are often labeled as failures, don't get enough supports and left behind and abandoned.
And the poverty issue makes the problem even worse. The Japanese society is structured in an unfair way, where those with financial hardships are almost destined to fail.
Finland certainly used to be the best at PISA and now it is not, and it's somewhat understandable that you feel insecure because of that. But the most important thing that Finland should hold on to is "equity over competition", "cooperation over competition". Do not lose this Finnish virtue.
I don't want Finland to consider Asian countries to be a superior educational model. We Asian countries still have so much to learn from Finland.
Damn right
Hear, hear! (I hope Hannamiina Tanninen got the chance to read your comment.)
Isn't there quite of bit of suicide in Japan and Korea, because of the pressure?
Suomisvenska is from Japan? Fascinating; my first reverse weaboo.
Amen...
Education is not a competition. It is learning and human development. Not everyone needs the same information at the same time or has the same abilities in the same subject. Test scores do not fully represent this. International competition ignores cultural differences. Education is not a competition. Creativity is so important especially in many jobs in the world today. Creativity is what helps us to keep learning after school. It is skill which should be given time and space to develop not stifle. It is through creativity humanity develops not rote memorization and competition.
@Robert Lee Have you heard of private schools? They're expensive because they develop their education. It's the same for private hospitals so your comment means very little for people who do want to compete. They have options. Your comment makes it seem like they don't.
You made my day brother
Finland Education doesn't value standardized test and their ministers have said that they don't value the results of PISA, Cooperation is more important than Competition or Comparison!
That's gr8
the future is COOPERATION and not competition. Maybe she has personal reason to be number one and want to put that in the sistem . No way ! let people enjoy school, and let one who wants to compete to do that at home, not forced by the system.
Improvement is good actually.
The point on which I strongly disagree is that learning is a competition. A competition always has the focus on winning and there will always be losers. I am not against studying hard at all, but I think this can be obtained by making students aware of the merits of studying. I believe that internal motivation will work better in the long term than the external motivation of comparing oneself to others all the time.
Merits are also external to oneself. So it's disputable topic. Competition is only thing that can show you if you are in a real life advantge or not. You may think you are genius but oly compared to others you can know for sure. Science does not work on sole examples - it needs tons of evidence. It is natural competition of life facts.
There is always someone who better in something and someone who lose.
Life is all about the best working choices that have long-standing effects. Inelligence is not about rich imgination butmore about solving complex life problems. Asian countries make a lot of things Finland can't - because they tends to be effeciveness-focused, not equality-focused.
If you think you are a genius, it doesn´t matter if it is compared to others, if you think it for yourself, this will give enough motivation to continue with what you are doing. Moreover, I think merits can indeed be external, but they can certanly also be internal. For instance the motivation to reach a certain goal can be internal motivation, So studying has the merits of reaching this goal.
Your last argument is not valid. The fact that Asian countries, for instance China 'make' things does not prove that effective focussed works better. When you would scale the economy of Finland to that of China, the Finnish economy would be much larger. Equality has the benefit that every person has a change to excel, which will result in a much larger potential of human capital in an equal population.
***** Nohing is worse then self-lying person who thinks he or she is genius without any evidence tht comes from experience and fair perspective. Most people are disgusted about ones who hinks that they are equal or superior to them without doing really well in reality.
Even if they are from very equality-crazycountry. They just suppres their true feelings about untruth, unfairness and dishonour of their own society. They may be brainwashed by agressive one-sided propaganda of equaliy and @all we are genius in different things@ but it' just a lie to make person feel better nd not to fight for really good changes in their neighborhood, in their country and in the hole world..
World need good professionals - and also good and fair reaction to the results of thir activities.
Great thinking. This is why Finland is number one systematically educated nation. This is where Finland beats entire Asian education.
Yes, we should not motivate them to study by competing, we should develop curiosity in students :)
Asian here, do not think we are proud of our education system.Our education system is the worst in the world.
If u r an asian not from india u r lucky.......
Speak for yourself. Im fine with my education system. Stressing, but im happy.
*have you seen the american school system* x-x
Yes ...it is the worst
Yup. To the point that it's useless. I cant even focus on my passion.
I think a lot of Asian will tell you that there is a cost to this extreme focus on education. Is there not more to life?
Yup too much "education" sometimes bad
Lol. As an Asian you have the benefit of having too much education. In the West it's a lack of education that they're dying from.
When you don’t get successful because you didn’t study, the regret that ensues, especially when you see your friends who studied and worked hard are successful, is not good
@@danielm173 you just gotta study more on your free time lol and the Finnish system allow you to have extra time to choose what to study and hyper specialize/learn extra skills
I think *creativity is important* (in survival, problem solving you name it), and *fun* boosts creativity. The thing is, Asian education systems stifles both fun (depending on your disposition to studying) and creativity. This is because the Asian education system is a _system_ . The preoccupation of Asian edu system students becomes _hacking the system_ , not learning. Even open-ended questions have a list of 'desirable' answers. As a result, Asian students usually _can't think out of the box_ , either because they are not asked to or not allowed to. But I agree that hard work breeds endurance. And a tough system can make that happen. But in a result oriented, emotionally detached and competitive environment, you get depressed kids and suicides. We need to find a balance between the two. Creativity and exploration + hard work and attitude. Just my 2 cents.
Comments section is more useful than the video ;)
Yep because i can relate(bcs im asian lol)
Yes !
Finland's way is no stress, joy, and freedom . Asian's way is stress, strictness and hard work.
I love how the fact everyone disagree with her
Yuppp do u also disagree with her?
Obviously she doesn't have a clear idea about our education system, everyone will disagree with her.
Anyone who agree with her has been living under a rock.
I couldn't disagree more with this girl. she doesn't seem to understand what learning is all about. Learning is not a ranking list, but a beautiful and personal experience which brings the best out of you to succeed in life. PISA is just another tool for capitalist competition. Very shortsighted speech. Education can't be tainted with economical power.
Roysebastymateo Granados, yes learning is something that prepares you for life and grows you in knowledge and character, but here I think she is trying to make the point that competition is healthy, because the further we drive ourselves to improve how we learn, the faster and better it will become. Competition is just a driving factor here, which I think she was saying we should not lose sight of that.
@@averyharbison8887 Which is why you can apply for actual competitions. School isn't a competition.
Seconded.
@@averyharbison8887 Competition is not healthy.
Competition makes us egoistic, and keeps us apart from knowing ourself , our passion, our JOY.
The Planet in "her" wisdom gave us the ultimate warning, you start cooperate or you dissapear, simple as that.
@@inlumina_punctro Sure, and I'm not saying that competition doesn't do all those things. What it is healthy for, is results, which I should have clarified. I think what she's saying is that we shouldn't just sit and let idle time waste from a lack of competition. As she said, many students sat and waited around for a year, which is time lost that they could have been spent doing other things. Her point (in my interpretation) is that a joint of mental health and competition is what would be beneficial to everyone. And personally I agree with her. I think many people just liken the system she's describing, to the one that they've experienced and disliked.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. You seem to be paid or brain washed to defame Finnish Education System. At the age of just 20 Finnish students can easily communicate in more than two languages. It's a clear sign of excellence. There are certain genres and definitely certain people to be fitted in them and Finnish Educators support them to Excell in their favourite ones.
One thing I know from my personal observation is that it's not the school or university who produce an Einstein but it's the student who really wants to become an Einstein and he certainly finds time and ways to make his goal realized.
Very true. School can't make u learn. It can pique your interest to learn at best. Asian education system seems to do the opposite
Asian education standards are higher than Finnish ones. The gap gets exponentially big when you get to Britain and America. This is objectively true in terms of mathematics and other STEM related fields.
In a few decades Asia will be the global leader in science and technology.
You can have a free system but it won't match up to that of Japan.
I don't know if she is brainwashed against Finland as she's Finnish herself.
I just watched why Finland education system is the best
Yeah they are LOT better than asian
Btw im asian
she makes some interesting points, but I think we all measure things differently. she wants to get back on top. why is that so important to her? that would be my question for her
Robert Lee what's there to improve when they are the best?
Sam Lee Standardized tests aren’t the only determining factor in who is “best”. I agree that we should always strive for improvement, but standardized tests aren’t it my friend.
She gathered here quite a pile of disagreeing comments, here is one more.
- Competition is as healthy as our present society is.
- If you try to take away the fun and joy from learning, i will find you in dreams and hunt you, kidding :)
What Finland achieved is almost a miracle considering how obsessed of competition we are.
- Remember how learning is done in the nature, by PLAYing.
Who wants to perform and work hard can do this at home or go to olympics.
Some people here say that critical thinking/outside the box is not the result of stress, and hard work. (i am sorry if you were stressed when you learned english grammar, next time add some joy in it, use your imagination to do so).
If you want to make and app, just ask someone who can code and who became a good coder by studying alone at home, school is not a place for stress, we've experienced enough of that.
And guess who can do BETTER code than humans soon ? A.I. artificial inteligence.
My guess is that you are a bit frustrated (we all are after all) yourself in your private life, if you don't mind and you think you can get personal value from being on top.
Planet gave us the final warning in these recent times : IF YOU DON'T START COOPERATING TO EACHOTHER I WILL MAKE YOU DISAPPEAR
Education should become for all and remain Joy- fun -stressfree
If you think otherwise, is because you look into the past, and not the future.
😌 curiosity, imagination and social bonding and networks are the keys to success in Finland education. We all need a healthy way to explore anything not deadly hunt for success.
It's true, Asia's education system values hard work, and we really need that. At the same time, we need Finland's education system's freedom to explore, and learn what you want (not in a predetermined syllabus in Asia). How can we combine the two?
Working hard on something that you like.
@@kevinselanafiananta1879 usually if its something you like you will work hard on it.
@@kevinselanafiananta1879 The problem is how do you educate students on topics they don't like?
@@djgroopz4952
Give them a book, a paper full of 10 questions every day and use pictures daily to make them understand the topics
Unfortunately this girl is trying to undo all the good that the finnish education system has achieved...You cannot enable progressive creative thinking and problem solving if you add fear of failure into the equation. She seems to be cherry picking the worst elements of the Hong Kong education system, and suggesting the Finns should implement them back into the their education system, that thank God, they had the sense to get rid of in the education revolution of late 60ies early 70ies. What an ill informed presentation.But she is young and still has a lot to learn!!!!
I strongly disagree with this person it's not worth changing the finish education system. Happiness is more important.
If it is working without pressuring the kids keep at it. That makes no sense
Yeahhh too much school,test and homeworks sucks
What Finland's education system achieved : country with highest poverty level, the happiest country in the world etc. Finland succed in life.
Yes finland people been happier than asians because they got better life
And asians don't
@@hay0099 Is that why people in Bhutan are the happiest people in the world?
Finland is a prosperous country with a high standard of living. Just like all the other Nordic countries.
@@AndrewManook Bhutan is The happiest country in Asia.
Hannamiina, I found your talk interesting. However, I find your conclusions very worrying. There is more and more evidence to show that these constrained school systems in which myself and millions of others have passed is a massive danger to who we are. Having seen a video on the Sudbury Valley school in the USA recently I am convinced n the enormous necessity for change in how students learn. I'm more and more convinced that the best way to teach our children is to leave them alone. Who cares about PISA tests!
Criticizing students or admonishing them when they don’t do well have the opposite effect and quite often they get discouraged to try harder.Physical punishment has no place in education and students should learn without fear and the purpose of school is to learn and not to fear time sensitive tests.We have to remember that there’s variation in how each individual approach learning.What sort of circumstances they have at home , nutrition ,mental capacity plus many other things matter.
Yup i have many fears about my grades before i take my reports book
When i was in primary school my grade was always very poor because in primarg school teachers are used to punish student. But in high school my exam grade was increasing day by day because in high school teachers mitigate punishment..
Finnish Education System is awesome.. but I hope Education System would be a combination of Finnish and Japan's Education System.. for Japan, I really salute how they value morality, customs and traditions and most especially, discipline and independence...
Finally a valid opinion.
I agree we need morality in AFrica
This is better than than what she said
Customs and traditions are extremely important. I realised this after living in San Francisco. An uncultured society is doomed.
This girl is just putting good grades over good life.
Frankly, competition does not foster real learning.
SANA LIKEY LIKEY
from which country u r
Without competition... technology as we know it will be stagnant
Competition is a real aspect of life. It's probably not good to act as though it doesn't exist. They might take it out of schools but it'll be waiting for them when they get out.
Learning needs to be fun. Learning is not only for PISA exams. We shouldn't force students in a way that makes learning not fun for them because learning will happen in a life time. Who wants to keep studying their whole life thinking it is not fun? Life is much better when children understand the joy of learning.
I read some comments. Then, I noticed most of you were debating about having or not having fun. I would say there are personalities who simply hate having fun and love sitting down and memorizing. On the other hand, there are persons who can not be sitting down for more than 1 minutes without getting in trouble...
I think no education system is perfect.. We just have to take best part of each education system from various countries and put it into a single system making a world education system.. That's the best.. Hope future generation don't have to suffer like us.. Peace for students
If you beat your students to empty husks of human beings, anything is possible.
lol, ambitious girl. Studying in Asia is not as good as you think. Many student here just studying to get a good score,not to get the knowledge. You just studying in Asia when you at college degree, you should studying in Asia since primary school to know how stressful is the Asian education system is. Why did you think many students attempt suicide? because they are not good enough in several topic in school or university, but they are forced to do so and get a good result at that topic, so naturally they fell stress and want to do suicide. Maybe yes the their PISA score is higher, but the student is not fulfilling their live, they just study like a robot. Maybe you think that is a good point, maybe because you like and good at study. Recently my friend was graduated from University in Asia with "let's say good GPA" but he tell me that many precious time was gone because the education system forced him to get good score, and sometime he feel stress, and think about committing suicide.
Yup only true asians can know why the edu system sucks
I have been teaching University students in Asia for the past 4 years and when she said that "in Asia there is no such thing as forgetting to do homework or not taking an exam" I spit my milk.
I'm high school student in Finland and I personally have never been given easier problems or anything like even though I was not very good in all of the subjects.
At best we get extra tutoring on them
I'm not Finnish so I don't really count, but it seems to me that the lack of competition is what made your education system superior in the first place. There is still no good reason to insist that every child be acutely aware of their competitive existence. If you feel that more child engagement is necessary and that it is a moral imperative for your nation, then more, "mandatory fun" it is, that is not the same thing as completely changing the culture.
One should watch the movie '3 idiots' to know the current drawbacks of Asian education system. This movie is popular in India and China. May be more number of students per class prevents Asian education system from giving individual attention to students. So Asian countries prefer standardized tests. Also people choose courses often on the basis of current demand for the speciality and not on the basis of individual interest. Now the industry bodies complain that many graduates do not have necessary skills.
Yes, there's a line between good and bad competition but I think that good competition is the one you have with yourself. If you really want to excel at something, for example math, you can use your extra time after school to learn more about it than just waiting for the teacher to give you more challenging problems. In short, I believe that school can just teach the basics and promote surpassing your own challenges and learn more after school in any area in which you want to know more about.
I'm from the Philippines and I maybe a little salty for classes that start at 7am and end at 7pm and have excessive amount of homeworks that leaves me with no sleep. Even harder, I'm inclined with arts and it's sad I just can't enjoy for no time could be dedicated
I know that sash, you're from UP :D
Not a single comment that appreciates her conclusions
Please don't come and study in India. If you want to pass tests, it's the best for you. If you want to get stressed daily, do come here to study. But if you want to learn and apply what you've learnt, India ain't the place for any student.
Same here in bangladesh bro. Thou pressure would be somewhat less imo
As an asian boi I think asian schools should be the one learning something from Finland educational system
Yup asians schools need to learn something from Finland
I disagree with this lady; I am African, studied university in Asia; children commit suicide because of pressure on performance in school; unfortunately my country is also picking up on the pressure. For this reason I have chosen to put my children in very expensive European system to allow them to play and learn like I did before my country picked the pressure. Talent and time is key to creating new things not pressure.
I'm from India and I live in Finland now. So, I kind of get what you are saying.But, From the human perspective, you have completely forgotten about weather differences in Finland vs Asian countries. Asian countries have sun shining all day and people feel motivated and can handle pressure even better. I don't see if same is possible in Finland where winter days lasts for just 3-4 hours.
that indeed is true, but remember, people always work well in room temperature
Finns are famous for being persistent. In finnish "sisu".
She used a point that the best students do all of the courses in 2 years and then just hang around for the 3rd year. This is completely false and up to the students to decide. In Finland you can choose to do the High School in 2 years, 2,5 years, 3 years, 3,5 years etc.. She is generalizing and I don't think she is using good points in her speech.
Well , the grass is greener on the other side. Thats why she like the asian system
Actually the point is Life actually meant to be happy, survive and live at the fullest, and that's what Finland is doing.
Definitely work hard should be the slogan but just to be happy and not to gain fame and money.
There is no meaning of a competition which make someone feel that he is any less than the other.
We want a world where equality is at every step of life and that would only happen when we are not fighting against each other to survive rather we need to work together for the betterment.
So, FINLAND is doing great and they don't need to check the PISA results (PISA is not the CREATOR after all!!)
I believe that a better education should be built by combining the Asian and the Finland education system. A system where people learn to work hard during school while also leaning how to live and enjoy life. Seeing the beauty in everything.
Until last year I used to study in India and my school pressured us so much. Into studying, more like memorising, different stuff. I'm really thankful that I had the chance to come to US and see what their education system is like for myself. I would have loved to study in Finland but that is not possible now.
I used to hate school because of all the pressure they used to put on us but now I love it. So, schools should be made using a mix of Finnish and Asian education systems to create a better society.
As a Korean student, I think Korea has a bad education system. Many Korean students go to expensive academies after school everyday. Some students who don't have enough money can't go to academies. Going to academies makes a huge educational(?) gap between students in Korea. Most Korean people think that rich people have more chances to enter prestigious universities.(and it's true!! There are many documentaries about education inequality) Well...it's hard to explain the Korean edu system in English. If you're a Korean, u will understand what I'm saying immediately.😅
At 8:56, I disagree. You don't need to learn or memorize grammar to speak the language. Take an example of your mothertongue language.
But,for proprer understanding grammar is also needed bro🙂
Zubaer Ahmed For meta-knowledge of a language, grammar is useful. Grammar is not a description of language, it's a description of Latin language that is often used as a tool to understand other languages. No languages "have grammar". Languages exist as tools for communication and are from students analyzed with the help of grammar. Grammar isn't "discovered" realities like maths or laws of physics, grammar is invented systems for classifying phenomena in languages in a way that is considered useful. Grammar as a description of finnish language is an exellent example of where the tool (grammar) reaches its limits.
@@knuthenriksommer4982 Really appreciated your comment. Agree with everything you wrote. One problem is the word "grammar" itself and how it's viewed as a monolithic entity. Infants definitely learn grammar but it's difficult to explicate that fact in a pithy and succinct way. Why drives us to Iearn languages? I think langauges exist as tools for "tribe" bonding and identity formation first and communication second...the grammar of belonging. This invisible pillar of language is incredibly powerful but notoriously difficult to measure and operationalize as a construct. On another note, there is a deep grammar (not the explicit, arbritrary one) that scientists are searching for. Benjamin Bergen is good place to start.
Maybe a middle ground between the western system and the Asian system would be ideal. I do agree that learning does not always have to be fun. The fun part comes after you master what you want to learn.
It's the Finns who are setting the educational standard. Schools in Asia (and everywhere else) need to implement their system. Here are some numbers: Finland, pop 5.5 m, 5 Nobel Prizes; China, pop 1.4 billion, 8 Nobel Prizes; South Korea, pop 51 m, 2 NP; Taiwan, pop 23 m, 1 NP). And it was Nokia --- _not_ Steve Jobs --- who invented the smartphone.
LOL the nobel prizes...
Instead of dividing questions as Difficult or Easy
Tell them as More Interesting and Less interesting..
Since after understanding the difficult question we get more happy and joyed than less interesting.
As someone from East Aisa I would enjoy going to school in Finland or any other part of the world. The school feels more like prison, the long school hours are to accommodate long working hours of parents. There's very little regard of feelings of children or teenager, they may be very well trained intellectually but pretty deprived on the emotional level.
Well done to this young lady for speaking her opinion and her truth. This to me however is a total miss of the whole point and definitely not an idea worth spreading IMO and truth.
Everyone could talk about collaboration, but if u shoved every SoundCloud rapper together, they’re not going to be able to solve simple math problems and other simple stuff. So people need to focus not only on collaboration but also each individuals performance. (Collaboration is important, but intellectually individuality needs to be required before we start to collaborate)
who cares about the a countries ranking as far as education,so long as people know what they need to to live their lives.Learning shouldnt be a contest,it should be about knowledge,bieng able to do what you need/want to and improving the quality of life for yourself and others. You shouldnt need a score of 80 to get into the Tertiary coarse you want,or any score for that matter.
All what is mentioned in this video is completely what the Finnish educational philosophy is very against
I do very much love the Finnish approach to educating the child
Finland's ranking is dropping at a breakneck pace. Education had been independent in schools. Now Politicians and senior officials make themselves important and, in their own opinion now, “invent” good new methods and projects to make the system more efficient. The teaching is now mixed up. The ranking will drop drastically.
Even officials sites block all comments.
Even good student have their pressure because of their family and teachers. I am a good student in class but I always have to try hard under pressure to maintain good grades. Because if I have a bad grade just once, I will be censured.
I feel really bad because of this education system.
The moment you start competing with other countries, you have lost the war. If you don't be sensitive to the weak, you are weak yourself.Finland is fine, it does not need competition. the points that you gave to change are the reason for all the difficulties that is going on in asia. if you want difficulties, make them yourself, don't make a system that burn child mentality. don't impose your standards on others.
You can really tell that she is high school student with no background in teaching. The whole talk boiled down to they work harder and longer so for us to beat them we need to work as hard or even more. Also Most of the high performance Asian countries rehearse for Pisa and last point I want to make is that maybe we should extend our measurements of performance when it comes to school success I think it would be much more helpful to come out of the school with the ability and drive to keep learning through life not burned out not wanting to see whiteboard or waiting to open book ever again.
I'm from Hong Kong. numerous students in primary school suicided because HK education system. keep a balance of life is important for kids as well .
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Exactly
it's always about competition here in asia
Thank you for this video!
She’s privileged to have been given the benefit of both systems. But the stakes are high here. In the US huge tracts of the people are written off. The social cost is enormous. And the US is more like the Asian system she recommends.
The US system is far better than Asian model, but is way behind successful model.
I'm a Indian
Plz don't ruin your education system by learning from us
If you dare to change the education system of Finland, then the Finnish is finished.
U mean _finnished_ lol
Should be what can Asia learn from Finland.
Completely agree!! Well spoken, Hannamiina!
Unhealthy competition leads to the deterioration of mental health. I’m from an Asian country and I do admit the amount of stress to strive to get the best result and meet family expectations. Life is all about learning. If I will be given the chance to study in Finland, it will be my golden opportunity. In my view, maybe if there is a combination of the Asian education system and the Finnish education system, it might be great as there is competition and collaboration. We might shape an individual who can compete healthily while being collaborative.
It sounds like this woman maybe didn't feel challenged by her own education. However, her points are very anecdotal and seem poorly researched. I wonder whether her feelings further support the argument for self-directed learning. If she wanted to learn more, she should have had the opportunity to do that, in her own way. Learning should be fun. It should be meaningful. Children should not be pushed and pushed to work harder and harder until they completely burn out. Children are not academic robots.
I think there should be cooperative competition where student don't compeete with each other as much or grade but unite for a common cause. Where they can think critically but also value hard work. So what I mean by cooperative competitiveness is to be united in solving the problems and not having just division of each man for themselves to solve a problems but each student cooperate and compeete against the most difficult problems and share ideas and thought with each other and play on each others strengths. Making them compete for a common cause against hard problems and even harder problems thus creating a common goals a huge challenges that seem impossible at first but then becomes possible. Children have to be interactive they have to be faced with a huge problems which they might not understand at first but want to overcome. Let's say we give a university complexity mathematical equation. They might not understand what those equations would mean as they might be too long and complex, but you present children with a goal or a huge problem as a goal to reach. Then give those students autonomy to communicate with each other and think how to overcome those problems. Then let the students ask questions about that formula and certain aspects of it they would like to understand and then choose topics for the next class based on what they want to understand in it thus having that complex formula as a basis for that topic by dissecting and learning pieces of it by starting to understand more and more complex concepts as they go along. All of a sudden that big unreadable formula they couldn't not understand becomes apparent to them as you do not give away the solution for it. They might come into problems but as they go along and cooperate they start to figure it out little by little and start to make sense of it. I imagine it as being a difficult final boss of a sorts which you might not defeat on a first go but as you try you start to learn more about the patterns and their moves you start to find solutions even if you fail 100 of times. You bring motivation to overcome that challenge and when you overcome it you do it not at the expense of other people but as a homogenous group of people who help each other to understand and overcome that challenge. When we are stuck on on a certain problem others can step up and help show how it's done and how they are doing it and by try to repeat it based on that they can create a new way of perceiving it. Students can then create their own problems that others can solve or try to solve as sort of changes for each others as sort of a quiz. And in other areas where people are struggling or might struggle those people can help those who helped them. Creating a teamwork and care for each other. People need to feel sense of community and unity with high and almost unreachable goals as their goals. Then they will be able to overcome or be the best in what they do. With separation people become more closed minded selfish less likely to help others or down right competitive to the point of back stabbing. If this would be combined in their school systems then probably children would not be divided to more complex and less complex levels and encourage each other and support each other more and not be satisfied with a glass ceilings. These are my thoughts.
Really good idea!
I don't know when India would attain such mentality towards educational system. Here there is still a marathon race for high scores and even the parents have the same mindset. There is a huge competition between the schools and the best schools are the ones whose academic scores are the highest in board examinations. Students are stressed with lots of academic pressures and eventually most of the students loose interest in learning and label themselves as good for nothing. Another tendency mushrooming up is the concept of coaching institutes and dummy schools where in students are made to study 12 hours a day for the competitive examinations . The funniest part is every parent wants that their children should become an IITan or a doctor irrespective of their interest , passion and potential. It s high time for the teachers and the parents to wake up and bring a change in educational system in the country, by giving more importance to human excellence and environmental excellence than academic excellence. The eroding values in the Indian society is because of the faulty system of education prevailing here. Parents and the educators are equally responsible for this situation. Academic excellence alone does not define a person. Please try to understand....
I didn't know it is a competition, always thought it was a collaborative work.
Great! Especially the part of "having fun" - I can't agree more with you... nowadays people are so used to just have superficial fun experiences and they are trying to integrate them into education. I think that many of them are confusing the concept of "entertainment" with "art"... Leave the entertainment out of classroom, but bring the art into it.
Vaidoteful nothing wrong with entertainment I'm the classroom in my view.
Yeah just one of my teachers teach us but with less pressures
10:35 "Talent is 99% hard work." Agree. I hate when in 9 out of 10 cases people abuse the word "talent" to explain why somebody else could achieve something and somebody else not.
Yes i agree with you we should learn from each other. I think a hybrid education system can be a batter option, actually Asian countries have large populations due to which their systems are different from European systems . Positive competition and intrinsic motivation can protect the students from depression .
True, but she is still wrong. Just read the top comments to see why.
China is now number 1 on the PISA scores. Asia is also rising in innovation and patents. Asia will leave Europe behind this century. Education is the final blow.
I thought I'd point this out - she talked about "not enjoying" learning English grammar as if she was grinding the theory for hours. Yes, her English isn't terrible, but I've heard Fins talk English and it's much better than hers.
edyth711 That's a good point and I agree that without effort nothing can be accomplished. I would have to add that she's speaking publicly which isn't easy, even for natives. Still it'd be interesting to see how fluent the English of a similar learner under the Finnish system would be.
Although educated in Finland she hasn't taken on board the ethos if the Finish education system in that children are given an opportunity to really understand what they are taught as opposed to the eastern education system that tries to cram in as much teaching as possible in order to get higher scores in tests.
Yep i think finnish is more need to the students to "understand" what the teacher meant not just hearing "why u dont hear me teaching!" Say teachers everytime i am not understand and asking her for help.
Absolutely loved the talk, very cogent, I don't think it is about the PISA rankings, every system has its pros and cons, we all can learn from each other, amazing points made
I think what Hanna is trying to tell is Asian education isn't useless the way people think and Finnish education system is not the panacea we assume it to be, we must keep learning from each other and fine tuning things even more
( I am writing this after reading the comments, I don't think getting up on PISA was the theme of the topic, it was making Finnish education system better)
Competition is good for achieving good ranking at test which is for short term gain.
I think I understand what she is trying to say. I have heard of the same thing, one of my Belgian colleague once mentioned, that they are not given enough problem of integration or differentiation to solve for home, which Asians do normally to prepare for exams and because they dont work for more amount of problems, so it dont come to them to solve so easily in later stage when used in PhD for example..
I think asian culture stresses too much and reform would be good to get out of the utilitarian mindset but it is good in a way of practice but that's under pressure too. I dont know if ever anything is possible without feeling pressure. Why can't everything be as natural?
Finnish culture actually tried to make something natural and so understanding. It should have taken immense amount of persistent work, I can imagine.
Life is not a competition.
you dont even know what it feels like to be in india
u just talk abt the finnish education is like it just doesn't give students pressure to read and perform
I too want such environment of learning ! But unluckily in our india, teacher's college and university from where she / he pursued masters matters MOST than teacher's interest , love and passion towards teaching
International studies once showed that Finnish student performance was below average. The Government wanted improvement and sent educators around the world to see what worked in other countries. The government decided to abolish their selective system and grammar schools were replaced with comprehensive schools. The Government decided to have mixed ability classes with no streaming or setting.
The Government introduced a law so that all children have a 15 minute break after 45 minutes of teaching. This prevents cognitive overload for pupils and teachers. Pupils value their frequent breaks and are reluctant to lose any through misbehaviour.
It is very important how happy children feel at school , how many languages children speaks & how much these children consider the school as their own home. In Finland most of them able to speak 3 or 4 languages. They are belong to their own friends & teachers & entire of environment.
So base of these indicators , Finland is much better.
Asians are more logical; I learned both system and I can say the best medical schools are china and I am proud of graduated from China.
Competitions make perfect. Also more practical.
Logical presentation and sense of humor are typical Asia’s education way.
If you don’t have solid foundation of undergrad how can you proceed to research and practice? Uni and education are not only teach you how to be creative and also to memorize and understand. Apply and master the knowledge and skills are important. To think in a systematic way, logical way are the advantage of the Asians education system.
Exactly, someone finally came out and said it, also the Chinese education system seems to be very different from the vast majority in Asia, that is pretty interesting.
You highlighted the most important part of any educational system, namely, the imparting of the knowledge of the need to work diligently at a task until understanding and mastery is achieved, which if not done, will eventually impoverish the student and stunt growth and human potential.
This woman has the bias that competition is always good and intelligence can be purely measured by test scores. I blame society for this.
All that hard work just to improve your PISA ranking.
I genuinely don't think it's worth it.
I would like to differentiate about the understanding of context "suomisvenska" what you have derived and what i have derived of the tedx talk. Ms. Hannamiina has clearly stated that she is not appreciating the Asian education system neither is she condemning the Finnish education system. She states that how to improvise the "Finnish" education system and that too not to "win" on any program, but to produce better and evolutionary humans. She has clearly mentioned 5 points which if worked upon in a better context as is in the asian economy the "FINNISH" education system and there human resources will definitely improvise.
Those are a) HARD WORK (she has mentioned when a student becomes an individual of great thoughts who needs to convert those ideas and thoughts into reality, the student will need stamina in order to do that). This stamina building process may be hurtful at times for a child but they need to go through this and thus they will be able to shape their thoughts. (b) JUST PROBLEMS (NOT THE EASY ONES) : In order to put the hard work to use they need to tell the student that they can solve the hardest problem. There may be a different route, different time, different pace and different place for every individual to solve a problem but providing them easier problems is not the solution , they need to solve all problems irrespective of their intensity. And we all know that we have the possibility to solve any problem that we choose. And our choices are something that should come from within. But, we will choose the tough ones only once we are ready for those. (c) ENCOURAGING TALENTS : Acclamation to extensive hard work, risk appetite, focus will work for more and more students, people and communities of Finland adapting to similar values. (d) COMPETITION : The competition moves us. A lot of the time in our lives we may think that what we have done is enough. It's too good. There's nothing more to achieve. This complacency is damaging. But, who tells us we are getting complacent. It's the competition. (e) PERSPECTIVE ON FUN & CREATIVITY : As explained that learning "English grammar" may not be fun today to a student. But, once this student later in life experiences the same while using "English grammar" to communicate to the world he appreciates the same.
Hard work could be satisfying if we saw what is the exact, useful for us, purpose of it.
"There is no such thing as Asian stereotype" - Now that we haven gotten that out of the way, let me say: "there is no such thing as I forgot to do my homework" in Asia...
Yea, as a teacher in China for 3 years, you just stereotyped Chinese learners.
My classmate commit suicide because she couldn't handle the pressure that she needed to get into great school. Scores first is the worst education system to me.
Please don't anything from Asia!
Just by reading the title alone🤯, I can literally say, that common sense is really really uncommon.🤦♂️
I know what it's like to feel suicidal, nothing in world can justify something, that makes people feel this way. Like traditonal school system for example, that forces children to do things without reason, doesn't even pay them money for it, stresses them over things that doesn't matter (school makes us stressed about our marks 1000× more than about our planet or suffering of people) and they are telling them over and over: this is for your own good, you should be gratefull to us. Learning is the gratest gift, but learning does not equal to going to school. Learn about democratic school education.
Seems like Asians are statistical. Go Finland! Keep your stress free ways. Just develop it. Improve it. Think how you can make it even better. It is your trade mark. Keep on improving it.
By the way, it was an interesting point of view. Thank you for your speech young lady.
at university level hard work and pushing yourself forward is important, however for elementary school children all that pressure is not helpful, it just causes stress and anxiety which does not help kids learn better or develop critical thinking.
Rambling, structureless speech populated with opinions and not facts. As a product of both education systems, this graduate doesn't exemplify the best qualities of either of them.
Maybe Asia scores better, Finland are better and well rounded as people, while scoring pretty good