“Take your points” works when you are up or have time to your advantage, but if you are lacking the possession, and the game breaks down to the madden back and forth scoring it so often does, you need the TD to keep up. It depends on how defense goes is all
I like how every time someone talks about top madden players it's always about how they play offense. Like the game is not made to allow for you to flourish defensively (at least against passes). If you lose it's because the other person knows how to break defenses better than you. Like obviously defensive play calling can make it more difficult but there is never a defensive play that will break up a passing play every time
This is what i said, then we can avoid this whole "the only adjustments are to put your halfback on a swing route, your TE on a seam, cook your linemen dinner, and tell the opposing safety a night-night story" 😂
@arthurllongjr382 The tournaments are in MUT, so everyone is using the best MUT team possible. EA decided to have all the tournaments be MUT because it's free advertising for MUT which makes them tons of money. I wish it were different, but that's just the way it is.
@@SpruceGooseTV mut has been terrible for madden, it's the whole reason why other aspects of the game have been taken out or just ignored, really wish ea had some competition to try and change that
See this doesn't impress me. These players use programming shortfalls and exploits to gain advantages. The funny part is EA pays these people money for showing how flawed their game is. 😂
If Henry had the 95 ovr Derrick Henry qb card, he could’ve drawn a qb spy while having one of his recivers on a dig wide open and possession catch it for a free 15-20 yds
That last pass by Wesley with 48 seconds left was pain. The amount of times I’ve thrown a ball like that and it’s picked kills me, then my opponent does it then proceeds to truck me then gets a td
The fact a kid who cheeses the cheese with more cheese is considered the goat is ridiculous. Imagine spending the most money on something and considering yourself great….HHHHHHHHHHAAAHAHSHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
This just shows how bad of a game madden is. Like if you can run the same play against the same defensive play, and get the same result every time then something is wrong with your AI. It's not AI then, it's hard code
For a competitive game, what you described (the same thing happens every time) is ideal. It allows for intelligent adjustments on both sides and makes it more of a chess match.
@@SpruceGooseTVTakes away the fun of the game imo. Players are forced to run the same 2-3 defenses against the same trips formations all game. It gets repetitive, takes little to no skill to do, and it just comes down to who can manipulate the AI more and limit mistakes. Not to mention not everyone likes that style of play. Appreciate the knowledge on your channel btw.
@@Huntman1103 As I mentioned in the previous comment, it actually requires more skill this way. If the AI just adapted to guard certain routes for you, how are you playing skillfully? There is a knowledge gap that goes on about how to guard different routes and also how to beat the different zones that are on the field. It really is a chess match going on, both players are making calculated educated guesses on what they think their opponent is doing and then executing based on that plan. The more the AI plays the game for you, the less of your own skill is involved.
@@SpruceGooseTV I’m sorry, but there’s nothing skillful about finding a set of plays (specifically trips plays) that can manipulate AI and get a guaranteed receiver open every play. Smart yes, but skillful? Not in the slightest. Skillful would be running a set of different plays (coach suggestions for example) and switching it up accordingly to the defense that is present. Not the spamming of trips formations which has been copy and pasted by 90% of Madden players at this point (further proving that it takes little to no skill to do). It’s not realistic and takes away the challenge of playing a game in general. The only thing “challenging” is not forcing a mistake or switching up your play just to go back to the previous one later on down the stretch. It’s all fun and games offensively but becomes a headache once it’s your turn to play defense. The animations and idiotic AI only make it worse. Making adjustments out of the same 5-6 plays every game is not fun, it’s just a repetitive mess that gets boring to play (in my opinion) and lets even the worst players compete with the best. It’s not so much about outsmarting your opponent but rather who knows Madden (not football) better. 100+ plays to run in this game yet 4-5 plays is what separates the “best” Madden players from the normal ones. Sorry for the lengthy comment, but EA has to at least nerf these plays or make defense more realistic.
@@Huntman1103 What you're describing makes sense if you're playing offline against the computer. These plays are great vs the computer, but the pros also know how to stop those plays. That's where the chess match comes in. There is so much thinking go on from both players. The mental challenge of out thinking and outsmarting your opponent makes for a MASSIVE skill gap. I'm not trying to be rude, but if you don't think these guys are highly skilled and critically thinking/processing tons of information at an extremely high level, then you simply don't know what you're talking about. I'm guessing the frustration comes from the fact that it's not a realistic football simulation. EA does players the disservice of calling the game a realistic football simulation when it's obviously not. When you can accept that it's not a football simulation and play it for what it is (a video game), then I think you can appreciate the chess match aspect of competitive Madden.
Ill give you the ability thing makes me feel like it's rng but the manipulation of cpu requires skill. Pair that with the skill of manipulation of the user... Skill bro. For what its worth I was borderline pro when I could play 10 hours a day. Now I get 2 games when I can get on once in a while. I win one maybe
@@MrCustomabstract it wasn’t BS. Wes pass lead with a bullet up when it should’ve been to the inside of the WR. Hence the direction where the pass went. It’s an easy mistake when you’ve been doing pass lead heavy plays all game and with anxiety building up.
But to add to that even without knockout I’ve seen my WR get blasted all the time on that pass lead to drop the ball. Pretty sure the animation with knockout would’ve done the same.
I won’t lie I used to use placement & power but after I found out that placement & accuracy is so much more broken I was able to tear up every defensive I went up against
First of all mentioning offensive adjustments without mentioning that they were made based on the read defence is not very precise. New players can listen to you and start make the same adjustments without realising there were made at that particular read of the defence by Henry. Second of all, mentioning that "precise passing" is one of his hidden secrets is if Counter Strike pro player would advice "just aim and shoot better". It's a well known fact you will be better at passing if you time it perfectly, it's just difficult to do.
Offensively i used to kill ppl with prime cam newton or mike vick..didnt matter who my teammates were. I could pick anyone apart with prime brady and trash recievers. One year i literally ran every play with derrick henry and it wasnt even close. If you know timing, blocking schemes, and audible, hot routes, etc its so easy.
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u have the best channel on madden on youtube for casual gammers! thank you so much for your production and in depth analysis amazing work
I remember playing 06 Madden they had a feature called playmaker I use that and it was unstoppable with vick I would send my end receiver on a curl then I would scramble to the same side as the receiver on a curl one he ran that route I hit the playmaker send him on a streak and score every single time I did it playmaker feature was nasty if you did right haven't played Madden since 😂
@@SpruceGooseTV yes you can I’ve been playing madden for forever I can make any pass you all make on free form use the left stick, sounds like a skill issue
I miss the days of madden where everyone wasn’t running bunch. Every y’all make a video of the best offense like it hasn’t been the same for the past 5 years
🤣🤣🤣madden community so sad. I remember drawing up schemes in practice mode creating my own wave. Now they just buy E books , watch TH-cam and learn the new weekly glitch smh
my rosters and playbooks don’t save in h2h when i edit them in my settings and im on ps4 does that have anything to do with it same with free form passing settings
so IND/PHI best offensive playbook in the game? It sucks if you like to run the ball though (ironically IND scheme is called "power run" but I don't see how a lack of FB is a power run...)
So here is where we are at… people think using gaming exploits makes you an expert and people really think these guys know the game even though they play make-believe.
I agree. It’s not how much you know about football or how well you can translate it into a football simulator. It’s about finding gaming exploits or ways to manipulate the dumb a** AI in this game repeatedly. If Madden was any way accurate to football, these would not be the top Madden players. You can literally lose against someone spamming a few busted Trips formations all game. The busted defenses are just as bad. There’s no way in hell I can’t run the ball up the middle (plus a TE on the line) against a 3-3 Dollar defense.
They would never do it, but EA needs to limit the number of hot routes you can do pre-snap. It's completely ridiculous what you can do pre-snap and is nothing close to simulation football.
These dudes are not good. They all run bunch and all run the same shit because they can’t play. Show people someone who is actually good and runs their own O.
So the "blue" in Madden is like the "green" in 2k huh? I'm 99% strictly offline Franchise player, so this isn't my lane. No hate for the competitive players though. Do your thing!
Game so broken, cant even play the regular way and have a chance. Got ppl thinking they the best with alot superstars and x fasters with madden having momentum and now free form passing and more to give bums a chance 😒 need to make real football game without all the extras
Dope video 🔥 about to drop a full breakdown on my channel 👀🐐💍
Real Henry 👀👀👀👀
“Take your points” works when you are up or have time to your advantage, but if you are lacking the possession, and the game breaks down to the madden back and forth scoring it so often does, you need the TD to keep up. It depends on how defense goes is all
@@OvertIntelligence field goal is
I like how every time someone talks about top madden players it's always about how they play offense. Like the game is not made to allow for you to flourish defensively (at least against passes). If you lose it's because the other person knows how to break defenses better than you. Like obviously defensive play calling can make it more difficult but there is never a defensive play that will break up a passing play every time
having really good players with 0 or 1 AP abilities is my only salvation on defense lmao
If you don’t know how to stop someone, then jus blitz and hope for the best lmao
You gotta learn how to read offenses. Most really good madden players especially the ones on TH-cam like TDBarrett can read offenses.
@@jonnygobang87nothing about madden is reading plays 😂😂 Its all about exploiting the game. Its to animation based
Yes there is, a decent double blitz. Long routes cannot develop.
Imagine if madden still had the feature of making your own plays
This is what i said, then we can avoid this whole "the only adjustments are to put your halfback on a swing route, your TE on a seam, cook your linemen dinner, and tell the opposing safety a night-night story" 😂
0:41 2:56 3:54 5:42 6:53 8:16
Blue passing is such a must now
How you blue pass
@@justslime7417 7:37
@@justslime7417just get Doug Williams and get roaming deadeye
@@justslime7417been wondering this myself
Just put your free form speed to 12/20
Interesting how good you play when you stack your team with all the best players in the league.
Everyone in the tournament has a good team, it's an even playing field.
@@SpruceGooseTV no criticism of the players , why not use the real teams players, I.e like a regular season?
@arthurllongjr382 The tournaments are in MUT, so everyone is using the best MUT team possible. EA decided to have all the tournaments be MUT because it's free advertising for MUT which makes them tons of money. I wish it were different, but that's just the way it is.
@@SpruceGooseTV mut has been terrible for madden, it's the whole reason why other aspects of the game have been taken out or just ignored, really wish ea had some competition to try and change that
Having not played this game in years I see that’s it’s still mostly cheese to this day. Both players have Gronk on defense lol.
Nah this just m.u.t. I love 32 man franchises
Did not know the outside deep zones will guard the wheel route over the corner route and blue passing....sheesh. Good to know
I've been using those plays since Joe Montana football on Sega genesis
😂😂 the good days
I've been doing it since WWII because I invented video games.
Tecmo bowl respectfully.
I want to see him do this stuff with a 85 throwing power and no X factors everywhere
Why 💀
that's what I did when I was a tournament player. 04 05 had to work with holes on your team.
@@greglewia616020 years ago LOL okay old man go and dust off your mega drive n blow on some cartridges
See this doesn't impress me. These players use programming shortfalls and exploits to gain advantages. The funny part is EA pays these people money for showing how flawed their game is. 😂
Ong😂😂😂
lol never thought of it like tgat
Yeah the dude might be the best in the world exploiting a broken game ... But still is the best in the world.
If Henry had the 95 ovr Derrick Henry qb card, he could’ve drawn a qb spy while having one of his recivers on a dig wide open and possession catch it for a free 15-20 yds
That last pass by Wesley with 48 seconds left was pain. The amount of times I’ve thrown a ball like that and it’s picked kills me, then my opponent does it then proceeds to truck me then gets a td
TY BROTHER NEEDED THIS
6:53 that play is also in the NYJ playbook
Eagles ebook you dropped has been feeding families
How do you get low passes like that with free form? Every time I try it’s just thrown behind the wr or picked/batted down
Henry is the goat he never stops learning and evolving which is why he’s the best
The fact a kid who cheeses the cheese with more cheese is considered the goat is ridiculous. Imagine spending the most money on something and considering yourself great….HHHHHHHHHHAAAHAHSHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Spruce always coming in clutch
Getting into American football and this is a bit overwhelming 😅
This just shows how bad of a game madden is. Like if you can run the same play against the same defensive play, and get the same result every time then something is wrong with your AI. It's not AI then, it's hard code
For a competitive game, what you described (the same thing happens every time) is ideal. It allows for intelligent adjustments on both sides and makes it more of a chess match.
@@SpruceGooseTVTakes away the fun of the game imo. Players are forced to run the same 2-3 defenses against the same trips formations all game. It gets repetitive, takes little to no skill to do, and it just comes down to who can manipulate the AI more and limit mistakes. Not to mention not everyone likes that style of play. Appreciate the knowledge on your channel btw.
@@Huntman1103 As I mentioned in the previous comment, it actually requires more skill this way. If the AI just adapted to guard certain routes for you, how are you playing skillfully? There is a knowledge gap that goes on about how to guard different routes and also how to beat the different zones that are on the field. It really is a chess match going on, both players are making calculated educated guesses on what they think their opponent is doing and then executing based on that plan. The more the AI plays the game for you, the less of your own skill is involved.
@@SpruceGooseTV I’m sorry, but there’s nothing skillful about finding a set of plays (specifically trips plays) that can manipulate AI and get a guaranteed receiver open every play. Smart yes, but skillful? Not in the slightest. Skillful would be running a set of different plays (coach suggestions for example) and switching it up accordingly to the defense that is present. Not the spamming of trips formations which has been copy and pasted by 90% of Madden players at this point (further proving that it takes little to no skill to do). It’s not realistic and takes away the challenge of playing a game in general. The only thing “challenging” is not forcing a mistake or switching up your play just to go back to the previous one later on down the stretch. It’s all fun and games offensively but becomes a headache once it’s your turn to play defense. The animations and idiotic AI only make it worse. Making adjustments out of the same 5-6 plays every game is not fun, it’s just a repetitive mess that gets boring to play (in my opinion) and lets even the worst players compete with the best. It’s not so much about outsmarting your opponent but rather who knows Madden (not football) better. 100+ plays to run in this game yet 4-5 plays is what separates the “best” Madden players from the normal ones. Sorry for the lengthy comment, but EA has to at least nerf these plays or make defense more realistic.
@@Huntman1103 What you're describing makes sense if you're playing offline against the computer. These plays are great vs the computer, but the pros also know how to stop those plays. That's where the chess match comes in. There is so much thinking go on from both players. The mental challenge of out thinking and outsmarting your opponent makes for a MASSIVE skill gap. I'm not trying to be rude, but if you don't think these guys are highly skilled and critically thinking/processing tons of information at an extremely high level, then you simply don't know what you're talking about.
I'm guessing the frustration comes from the fact that it's not a realistic football simulation. EA does players the disservice of calling the game a realistic football simulation when it's obviously not. When you can accept that it's not a football simulation and play it for what it is (a video game), then I think you can appreciate the chess match aspect of competitive Madden.
Madden use to take skill back in the day now it’s nothing but abilities on players and who can manipulate the cpu better
Facts
Sounds like a skill issue
@@sethbroughton3651 no game use to take skills now it’s nothing but abilities on guys and who can manipulate cpu best
Ill give you the ability thing makes me feel like it's rng but the manipulation of cpu requires skill. Pair that with the skill of manipulation of the user... Skill bro. For what its worth I was borderline pro when I could play 10 hours a day. Now I get 2 games when I can get on once in a while. I win one maybe
I just beat the hell out of a old head who called me out to regs not abilities to save me he said 7 to 28 said different
I want to see a madden tournament where theu have to do a snake draft of players.
The new generation of Madden is depressing to watch.
The kids aren’t even playing on your lawn, paw paw.
2:31 ..X WAS WIDE OPEN!!
This guy is a Madden savant!
Makes no sense how that last int happened the ball goes right across his wr's face
Just the animations of Madden there but they’ll just say the defense stepped up
@@rustytrigz yeah it's really cringe how nobody is acknowledging that pick was bs
@@MrCustomabstract it wasn’t BS. Wes pass lead with a bullet up when it should’ve been to the inside of the WR. Hence the direction where the pass went. It’s an easy mistake when you’ve been doing pass lead heavy plays all game and with anxiety building up.
But to add to that even without knockout I’ve seen my WR get blasted all the time on that pass lead to drop the ball. Pretty sure the animation with knockout would’ve done the same.
I won’t lie I used to use placement & power but after I found out that placement & accuracy is so much more broken I was able to tear up every defensive I went up against
So he runs either phi or Indy playbook which one is it
Philly
While everyone praises Henry Offense it’s his defense that won him the championship.
Modern era doesn’t care about defensel
First of all mentioning offensive adjustments without mentioning that they were made based on the read defence is not very precise. New players can listen to you and start make the same adjustments without realising there were made at that particular read of the defence by Henry. Second of all, mentioning that "precise passing" is one of his hidden secrets is if Counter Strike pro player would advice "just aim and shoot better". It's a well known fact you will be better at passing if you time it perfectly, it's just difficult to do.
All hail King Henry The 1st! Hear ye hear ye! 😂
Speed dig is my like my favorite play
Ur the best man great vid thank you your channel has helped me grow so much as a madden player keep doing what your doing🔥🔥🔥
How do you make your wrs fall down after catching like he did?
Possession catch. Hold A on Xbox or X on PlayStation.
Henry is the goat
I been MIA for 2 years still watching twitch tho... is it possible to user catch with the free form passing
Every time I try to user catch my WR doesn’t move , it switches on to my player but it doesn’t make the movements I need him to
Yes but it’s madden so it’s not gonna work everytime
Offensively i used to kill ppl with prime cam newton or mike vick..didnt matter who my teammates were. I could pick anyone apart with prime brady and trash recievers. One year i literally ran every play with derrick henry and it wasnt even close. If you know timing, blocking schemes, and audible, hot routes, etc its so easy.
u have the best channel on madden on youtube for casual gammers! thank you so much for your production and in depth analysis
amazing work
I appreciate it man! That really does mean a lot :)
Drive Corner with Tyreek on a Corner route is 🔥. Works 90% of the time. Giants playbook - Gun Tight
The wheel corner route glitch has been a thing for years yet nothing fixed.
i throw any of these passes and someone is jumping 10 yards over their head to pick them
What playbook does he use
It's in the first 15 seconds of the video 🤷🏻♂️
How to I change my passing, whenever I go to where people tell me to, I don’t see anything about the passing setting.
Are you on old gen?
@@SpruceGooseTV Yeah, I think that’s why
hey spruce a lot of the time when i try to freeform it low balls how do i fix that
Change your passing type to Placement & Power or Placement & Accuracy. It'll only work if you're on next gen
What team does Henry have
True champs should have zero audibles once a play is used its dead and 3 random plays should pop up each down then you must choose 1 of them
I remember playing 06 Madden they had a feature called playmaker I use that and it was unstoppable with vick I would send my end receiver on a curl then I would scramble to the same side as the receiver on a curl one he ran that route I hit the playmaker send him on a streak and score every single time I did it playmaker feature was nasty if you did right haven't played Madden since 😂
You can make that pass with classic passing and the stick 😂 people swear free form is groundbreaking and it’s not
@@Mister2slippery Free form is a major game changer... you can't make that pass with classic
@@SpruceGooseTV yes you can I’ve been playing madden for forever I can make any pass you all make on free form use the left stick, sounds like a skill issue
“After h the ey traded blows back and forth”
If Youn mind me Asking why do they have Gronk on Defense
It's Madden Ultimate Team, there are out of position player cards
I miss the days of madden where everyone wasn’t running bunch. Every y’all make a video of the best offense like it hasn’t been the same for the past 5 years
He Henry got this from TH-cam yall all watch TH-cam to get madden plays that’s crazy
🤣🤣🤣madden community so sad. I remember drawing up schemes in practice mode creating my own wave. Now they just buy E books , watch TH-cam and learn the new weekly glitch smh
"Henry got this from TH-cam" you mean he created this on TH-cam. 😂
my rosters and playbooks don’t save in h2h when i edit them in my settings and im on ps4 does that have anything to do with it same with free form passing settings
No free form on ps4. Also, the save in H2H for rosters and playbooks is also broken on ps5. It's a little more consistent on custom game.
Great breakdown!
so IND/PHI best offensive playbook in the game? It sucks if you like to run the ball though (ironically IND scheme is called "power run" but I don't see how a lack of FB is a power run...)
Do our have to be on next gen
Nice video, thx for the tips as a new player, but also can u do a defense play from Henry, or any other good defense plays/routes thx 🙏 🔥
So here is where we are at… people think using gaming exploits makes you an expert and people really think these guys know the game even though they play make-believe.
Exactly man have of this shit ain’t nowhere near close to real football 😂it’s more exploring then knowledge of the game and i played ball for 15 years
I agree. It’s not how much you know about football or how well you can translate it into a football simulator. It’s about finding gaming exploits or ways to manipulate the dumb a** AI in this game repeatedly. If Madden was any way accurate to football, these would not be the top Madden players. You can literally lose against someone spamming a few busted Trips formations all game. The busted defenses are just as bad. There’s no way in hell I can’t run the ball up the middle (plus a TE on the line) against a 3-3 Dollar defense.
Couldn’t have been said any better
@@Huntman1103 3-2 Dollar* its even easier than than 3-3 lmfaooo
On setup 2, do you think that using a HB streak would work also because the trail pulls zones inside
Is that gronk at MLB?
Why he biting his cheeks in the thumbnail 😂
Is the the same playbook on current gen ?
I don't believe so unfortunately
These are Ultimate Teams which means their teams are usually like 99. So that says alot too......
When both teams are 99, then the skill of the players is what determines the outcome...
Nah we gotta see him vs wes again
Imagine old gen not being able to use these mechanics
What’s his playbook
Did you watch the first 15 seconds of the video?
No blitzes?
2k: GREEN
Madden: BLUE
Never use the Dallas Cowboys team. You will lose just like they do in the real world.
Bros the madden Tom Brady
FINALLY 😭
Play chibatta Mitch and I’ll believe it bro. No cap
Chibatta Mitch is an entertainer.... he's nowhere close to the same league as Henry lol
Even he didn't spam it every play tho
IMAGINE THE LOSERS MAD.CUZ YOU KICKING A FIELD GOAL 😢😢😢 NO WONDER WHY THEY WATCHING 😂😂
Damn how many times yu gone say Henry damn 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Damn how many times you gonna say damn 🤦🏻♂️
I’ve never been this early to a video holy crap
Pick this play and hot route every route so the picked play is no longer the play picked…
They would never do it, but EA needs to limit the number of hot routes you can do pre-snap. It's completely ridiculous what you can do pre-snap and is nothing close to simulation football.
@@brandondinshaw3112they do, there’s already a limit. If you make too many adjustments, your offensive line false starts.
@@wheeler116 happens with hot routes too, I’ve done it enough times
So wack Madden tournaments are with MUT teams
i dont know shit abt football, but this video is good
Great vid
Spruce has 4,000 IQ
Henry is nasty
Blue passing should be default
Its the same game every year. Why is it a surprise he did essentially the same stuff.
Gameplay changes a ton every year
These dudes are not good. They all run bunch and all run the same shit because they can’t play. Show people someone who is actually good and runs their own O.
Bro this ain’t Chibatta
WTF is "Hot Route Master"?
An ability in the game...
Their good players💯 .. but does playing with the Meter on.. letting you know when it’s time to release the ball .. make you the best in the world🤔
Yes
So the "blue" in Madden is like the "green" in 2k huh? I'm 99% strictly offline Franchise player, so this isn't my lane. No hate for the competitive players though. Do your thing!
this is absolutely killing this video game and franchise. I wish I can get rid of TH-cam Madden.
🤷🏻♂️
all of these plays are in NO playbook
Does this mean none or New Orleans?
Tournaments is about who can cheese the best.
Wesley got cheated at the end
Millionaire after taxes ?
Flaws in the game allow players to exploit #maddentrash
So the same play again for the entire year? 💀
Nvrmind. He actually used a different plays. Kudos and my bad
Bro is doing tricks on it! This is basic stuff 🤣🤣
Game so broken, cant even play the regular way and have a chance. Got ppl thinking they the best with alot superstars and x fasters with madden having momentum and now free form passing and more to give bums a chance 😒 need to make real football game without all the extras