I got my CCNA and almost immediately went from NOC to Network Engineer. Before NOC, I landed help desk role with 0 certs. I think it’s hard to strictly define exactly what CCNA is worth, since individual’s results vary so drastically.
Coming from a person that failed the CCNA exam twice with previous experience in the industry, I still think highly of Cisco exams out there. You can’t see that many dumps on Cisco and the question are similar but not identical. I have other Certs that I passed on first try but Cisco took me long I can’t wait to clear my CCNP.
Losing its value in a sense that most companies in the Philippines want or most notably prefer you to have a CCNP or higher now. I've had multiple HR and recruiters in LinkedIn connect with me because I have a CCNA, but the moment I told them I don't have a CCNP after they asked if I had one, they started ghosting or backed down from their interest.
One thing I notice here in the Philippines when they are looking for Network engineers is that they often mix System administrator role requirements with Networks, but in the end, you will only handle networks, not the overall systems. Perhaps some HR personnel are unaware of the difference, which is why some job hunters doubt themselves due to the mixed and matched requirements for the specific role. For example, I saw a "Network Engineer" job posting that required: * CCNA or CCNP certification with Knowledge of Cisco / Firewall and Etc.. * Knowledge and certifications in Cloud and Microsoft/ AD This is an example of a mixed requirement. They should look for NOC engineers or IT support if that is the requirements.
@@monricochu8879 Exactly, the certs are also losing value as these companies move towards cloud computing while in-house Network Engineers, recruiters demand them to have higher certification requirements but don't know why they need them in the first place just so they can keep up with the business trends. As a former NOC myself here in the Philippines, we never even touched on Servers and Systems, dedicating most of our work and responsibilities on the client's Network Infrastructure alone. It's like they (Company recruiters) don't even know what they want to fill those available job openings other than just the thought of "Oh hey, competitor B is looking for this, so we should be looking for it as well." Kind of mentality. I myself am moving towards Red Team certifications now, but the CCNA definitely helped pave the path towards it, so I'm still very proud of accomplishing and maintaining it, even having recently renewed the certification even if I can't find a job for this particular role in today's market (Also due to so many ghost jobs being posted out there, it's ridiculous).
The problem is that there isn’t as much demand for network engineers as there used to be. Cloud and automation (and now AI) have made it possible for 1 engineer to do the job of several. That 1 network engineer will still need CCNA, so it’s not the case that CCNA isn’t needed anymore. It’s just that it is now merely a foundation to several other skills that are necessary stay competitive.
In my opinion, like a CCNA certified 3 months ago with a strong experience and knowledge managing Linux servers. It becomes easier like a CCNA learning about cloud vendors, and from other networking hardware vendors like Juniper,HPE Aruba,Huawei , Mikrotik .
When I first started, I applied for short term contract, as a Network Analyst, you can even try deployment tech too which can you get you to the door. Wish you all the best.
This is a verified fact. The bar for entry is become all the more higher in recent years. I feel as though there are a lot of people that are studying brain dumps to get through the exam. P.S I'm waiting for that Encc course!!
As someone who has hired people for years in tech, it doesn't work with any competent employer. We will always spot people who earned their cert fraudulently.
@@shameermulji in my area, Cisco certs standout. All the way from help desk to senior roles, most directors/hiring managers from my experience are interested in talking to people with CCNA/NP/IE over other certs.
I got CCNA about 3 weeks ago, and yeah, can't even land a helpdesk interview, applied to 200 places ,I assume there's shit ton of ghost jobs aswell, got like 20 "we won't move forward with your application" assuming that those r pretty much bot replies since I might not have buzzwords they looking for on my CV ,but Yeh, hurts to apply for 35k helpdesk job in NYC and not even be called for an interview, I guess those are the "many" doors that CCNA opens up for us LOL
The economy is pretty bad now too, but I would tailor the resume with key words to align with the JD, if you don’t know it at least study for it for the interview and tel them what you can do. Sadly being too honest now that and say you’re new to the field without adding keywords they’re looking for won’t pass their search engine when they received 100 applicants l.
@@StyxShow Just CCNA for now ,thinking to grab a quick AWS CCP since I'm sure it's super easy to nail ,maybe around a week of studying ,but anyway since I'm jobless atm ,I'm telling u I can't land even super low paid helpdesk role with my ccna ,so I can understand why people say CCNA is useless these days since it's been forced in highschools and wherever,I'm kinda positive that Azure-900 has bigger credibility these days LOL :D
@@StyxShow Oh I know all that, I've watched all your videos with Neil, He's the one who helped me a lot on my journey, I'm just thinking that these days u got to stack 5 certs to be seen, but stacking them takes time, if you are jobless you have a pressure that you need to take anything, and when you aren't getting anything (including helpdesk roles) with your CCNA you question your existance LOL :D
Hey Dean, there are many network engineers with no jobs right now. Companies continue to lay off the remaining one in the field. Overhiring, that's BS.
@@shameermulji still needed but you are forgoing better prospects in other areas like cloud, cybersecurity, etc if you join networking since the demand for network engineer will only get weaker. It is akin to saying bank teller is still needed although digital banking has massively reduced their headcount.
Not sure where the Reddit people are getting their info but I just want on LinkedIn while listening to the video and I have not seen any requiring a CCNA. One said it would beneficial but not a mandatory requirement. As for the Cloud, I am following your advice and pivoting to the cloud however the problem with the rush to cloud is that the Business people and the HR people don't seem to grasp that you need the network to connect to the cloud. That requires someone that knows the equipment which is a CCNA at a minimum.
As a Network engineer with over 5 years of experience. I really don't rate CCNA or even CCNP highly at the moment. CCIE is quite difficult to achieve but CCNP is very easy. During my years of working, I have met people who have CCNP and CCIE but they only know theory. Many people accept to stay out of new trends and technologies such as VxLAN and Spine Leaf, Network Automation, Network Virtualization... A Network engineer with knowledge of System, DevOps is always a priority.
How would you recommend for someone to learn networking as a skill. Not just a theory, but the actual skill. I am almost through network plus and I feel I can pass the test but honestly do not feel like I know how to troubleshoot a network
@@phonefamoustv7930 In the first 6 months of work, when you are not assigned much work, focus maximum time on LAB. Practice simple LAB exercises with standard and popular technologies such as VLAN Trunking, LACP, Static Route, VRRP, VPC/VLT/MLAG/IRF, OSPF, BGP... Then do LAB exercises on 2-tier campus network model within/without Next Generation Firewall.
@@phonefamoustv7930 Continue to study the CCNA and if you can get the CCNP. CCNA is the foundation. CCNP builds on that. You will then need to get experience. But don't dismiss these two certs.
@@phonefamoustv7930 Your goal from getting a cert should not be getting a cert just to get a cert, but to gain knowledge you can use in real world situations. I made a mistake by getting colledge degree my priority instead of learning. I literally cheated my way to get a colledge degree and ended up knowing maybe 2% of what I learned. I gained more knowledge in 2 weeks studying CCNA than I did during my entire colledge. Combined with one year work as helpdesk/it support? Great. I get response from maybe 4/10 jobs I applicate. People are more interested in me. Because CCNA is still needed and wanted! Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying. Just keep studying. Take CCNA first and then in 2, 3, maybe 5 or even 10 years you can take CCNP or CCIE. It's not like you have to get it all at once. Maybe you'll end up in another field. Who knows. Just do what seems smart to you! Good luck
People say that networking jobs will always be around so long as there are networks. But that’s like saying there will always be milk men so long as dairies sell milk.
I would say networking jobs are more analogous to construction. But ofcourse more complex and there are tech refresh. Plus heavily integrated to security.
@@StyxShow I’m not making an analogy to describe the job itself. The analogy is to illustrate the relationship between a product/service existing and the personnel needed to support it. I.e. the existence of networks and routers and switches doesn’t, by definition, result in the networking industry of the last 20 - 30 years…
I would argue that ccna was never useful. It was a stepping stone. I only really learnt networking during my ccnp journey. Even after doing multiple ccie's, my knowledge learnt during my ccnp stays with me 20 years later. So should you do ccna? Sure, it gives you broad understanding of networking. But don't stop there.
You people are coping really hard. Go and get your CCNA then if it's that easy lol Becoming a pilot is really easy. Anyone can get a license today! Becoming a boxer is so easy. Anyone can get licensed these days! Getting toned body is really easy. Why do people bother training so hard? Why do people even make stupid claims like these? Seriously, what is the point of even saying something like that? I know I'm not the most intelligent person in the world, but when I see how people write and type nonsense in youtube comments, I only then realize I'm not as d**b as I sometimes tell myself I am.
Yes. Everything is moving to cloud and automation. You still need the foundation of Networking. But I wouldn’t waste my money on CCNA certification. I would learn the material, but spend my money on CCNP.
@@StyxShow Deceiving thumbnails are kind of standard on TH-cam… almost everyone does it, and viewers accept that as part of TH-cam culture. If I’m being honest, your thumbnails are no different… There’s nothing controversial about that, in my opinion, but also… there’s no need to be an a-hole about it to your viewers who call you out on it. Just ignore it and move on.
@@StyxShow If 100 people think CCNA is losing value, it doesn't mean it is. So did millions of people, who never passed primary school think about Covid. That it's not real and that the virus doesn't exist. Doesn't mean it never existed. It just showed how stu**d and ignorant some people are. And judging by the way you make your videos and reply to comments, you seem kinda ignorant too
@@StyxShow experienced people used braindumps also especially when they are renewing their certs. It will be a challenge or close to no chance for you to catch an experience guy to know if he passed his certs legitly or via a braindump. Only ones you can catch are those no experience at all and passed the exam using braindumps.
@@StyxShow Dude, it’s not HR’s job to worry about braindumps. They just get you in the door. It’s the hiring manager’s job to grill you in the technical interview and see if you actually know your stuff, heck even if the hiring manager does a technical interview, you're not going to catch an experienced person if they used braindumps or not. Those folks have been around long enough to back up their certs with real-world skills. The cert just gets them in the door, but their experience speaks for itself. It's the fresh candidates with no experience that you might catch, but anyone who's been in the field for a while? Good luck telling if their certs are 'legit' or not.
I got my CCNA and almost immediately went from NOC to Network Engineer.
Before NOC, I landed help desk role with 0 certs. I think it’s hard to strictly define exactly what CCNA is worth, since individual’s results vary so drastically.
CCNA is one of the best certifications I’ve gotten. Learned tons and got me genuinely excited about Networking.
Coming from a person that failed the CCNA exam twice with previous experience in the industry, I still think highly of Cisco exams out there. You can’t see that many dumps on Cisco and the question are similar but not identical. I have other Certs that I passed on first try but Cisco took me long I can’t wait to clear my CCNP.
Losing its value in a sense that most companies in the Philippines want or most notably prefer you to have a CCNP or higher now. I've had multiple HR and recruiters in LinkedIn connect with me because I have a CCNA, but the moment I told them I don't have a CCNP after they asked if I had one, they started ghosting or backed down from their interest.
One thing I notice here in the Philippines when they are looking for Network engineers is that they often mix System administrator role requirements with Networks, but in the end, you will only handle networks, not the overall systems. Perhaps some HR personnel are unaware of the difference, which is why some job hunters doubt themselves due to the mixed and matched requirements for the specific role.
For example, I saw a "Network Engineer" job posting that required:
* CCNA or CCNP certification with Knowledge of Cisco / Firewall and Etc..
* Knowledge and certifications in Cloud and Microsoft/ AD
This is an example of a mixed requirement.
They should look for NOC engineers or IT support if that is the requirements.
@@monricochu8879 Exactly, the certs are also losing value as these companies move towards cloud computing while in-house Network Engineers, recruiters demand them to have higher certification requirements but don't know why they need them in the first place just so they can keep up with the business trends. As a former NOC myself here in the Philippines, we never even touched on Servers and Systems, dedicating most of our work and responsibilities on the client's Network Infrastructure alone. It's like they (Company recruiters) don't even know what they want to fill those available job openings other than just the thought of "Oh hey, competitor B is looking for this, so we should be looking for it as well." Kind of mentality. I myself am moving towards Red Team certifications now, but the CCNA definitely helped pave the path towards it, so I'm still very proud of accomplishing and maintaining it, even having recently renewed the certification even if I can't find a job for this particular role in today's market (Also due to so many ghost jobs being posted out there, it's ridiculous).
The problem is that there isn’t as much demand for network engineers as there used to be. Cloud and automation (and now AI) have made it possible for 1 engineer to do the job of several. That 1 network engineer will still need CCNA, so it’s not the case that CCNA isn’t needed anymore. It’s just that it is now merely a foundation to several other skills that are necessary stay competitive.
True, we mentioned that in the video. But thanks for sharing
I think CCNA is still the foundation to start working in networking and understanding how it works ...
Not anymore, consolidating all the technologies into one cert was a bad idea. Bring back the Routing and Switching.
@@lalosalamanca7131 I think that ccna teach you to think like a networker ...
In my opinion, like a CCNA certified 3 months ago with a strong experience and knowledge managing Linux servers. It becomes easier like a CCNA learning about cloud vendors, and from other networking hardware vendors like Juniper,HPE Aruba,Huawei , Mikrotik .
I agree with your opinion.
I think even have to use cloud, should have a basic knowledge about ACL, Routing etc.
Value? CCNA gets you a great understanding of Networking, I would say it's a needed stepping stone. It's not about how far it can take you in itself.
Well coming from someone who just passed their CCNA and actively looking for a job and struggling to even get a call I can see why this is being said.
Don't worry -- many, many firms are still using dated hardware and this will ALWAYS be the case. In 10 years, CCNA will still be needed.
When I first started, I applied for short term contract, as a Network Analyst, you can even try deployment tech too which can you get you to the door.
Wish you all the best.
Good video. CCNA is a foundation. Enabling one to branch out with a ggod base. Fewer opportunities, not less opportunities.
This is a verified fact. The bar for entry is become all the more higher in recent years. I feel as though there are a lot of people that are studying brain dumps to get through the exam.
P.S I'm waiting for that Encc course!!
As someone who has hired people for years in tech, it doesn't work with any competent employer. We will always spot people who earned their cert fraudulently.
@Frissdas1207 that's good news for sure😊
@@Frissdas1207 some experienced people also used braindumps to renew their certs. I doubt you can spot them in actual interview.
@@Frissdas1207 From your perspective, what are your thoughts on Cisco Certification? Worth it or losing its value?
@@shameermulji in my area, Cisco certs standout. All the way from help desk to senior roles, most directors/hiring managers from my experience are interested in talking to people with CCNA/NP/IE over other certs.
I got CCNA about 3 weeks ago, and yeah, can't even land a helpdesk interview, applied to 200 places ,I assume there's shit ton of ghost jobs aswell, got like 20 "we won't move forward with your application" assuming that those r pretty much bot replies since I might not have buzzwords they looking for on my CV ,but Yeh, hurts to apply for 35k helpdesk job in NYC and not even be called for an interview, I guess those are the "many" doors that CCNA opens up for us LOL
The economy is pretty bad now too, but I would tailor the resume with key words to align with the JD, if you don’t know it at least study for it for the interview and tel them what you can do. Sadly being too honest now that and say you’re new to the field without adding keywords they’re looking for won’t pass their search engine when they received 100 applicants l.
How many certs you have?
@@StyxShow Just CCNA for now ,thinking to grab a quick AWS CCP since I'm sure it's super easy to nail ,maybe around a week of studying ,but anyway since I'm jobless atm ,I'm telling u I can't land even super low paid helpdesk role with my ccna ,so I can understand why people say CCNA is useless these days since it's been forced in highschools and wherever,I'm kinda positive that Azure-900 has bigger credibility these days LOL :D
Here’s a video that may help you:
CCNA is not enough! CCNP, F5, AWS Certs?
th-cam.com/video/_0ls1pMKE9k/w-d-xo.html
@@StyxShow Oh I know all that, I've watched all your videos with Neil, He's the one who helped me a lot on my journey, I'm just thinking that these days u got to stack 5 certs to be seen, but stacking them takes time, if you are jobless you have a pressure that you need to take anything, and when you aren't getting anything (including helpdesk roles) with your CCNA you question your existance LOL :D
People have been telling me this for nearly 30 years now. And this is still 1 of the most inaccurate statements I have ever heard.
it will never lose its value. Unless Cisco goes out of business.
Hey Dean, there are many network engineers with no jobs right now. Companies continue to lay off the remaining one in the field. Overhiring, that's BS.
If companies are laying off network engineers, who's looking after the physical infrastructure?
@@shameermulji Automation and consolidation of resources in cloud massively reduce the demand for network engineer..
@@HoneyLemon27 Fair enough but I reckon cloud providers and ISP's still need network engineers.
@@shameermulji still needed but you are forgoing better prospects in other areas like cloud, cybersecurity, etc if you join networking since the demand for network engineer will only get weaker.
It is akin to saying bank teller is still needed although digital banking has massively reduced their headcount.
@@HoneyLemon27 good point
thats why i shift into cloud with ccna knowledge
Good choice! Do feel more comfortable working on VPCs than switching?
Not sure where the Reddit people are getting their info but I just want on LinkedIn while listening to the video and I have not seen any requiring a CCNA. One said it would beneficial but not a mandatory requirement. As for the Cloud, I am following your advice and pivoting to the cloud however the problem with the rush to cloud is that the Business people and the HR people don't seem to grasp that you need the network to connect to the cloud. That requires someone that knows the equipment which is a CCNA at a minimum.
Thanks for sharing. You have to watch this video:
Best way to start your Cloud Career, Skip helpdesk job!
th-cam.com/video/yWj-KnokUdI/w-d-xo.html
Is network engineering becoming a lost cause? I'm currently studying for network+ and really enjoy it so far
Short answer No! Too many opportunities in past and fewer opportunities now doesnt mean it’s a lost cause.
So why are you not taking CCNA instead?
As a Network engineer with over 5 years of experience. I really don't rate CCNA or even CCNP highly at the moment. CCIE is quite difficult to achieve but CCNP is very easy. During my years of working, I have met people who have CCNP and CCIE but they only know theory. Many people accept to stay out of new trends and technologies such as VxLAN and Spine Leaf, Network Automation, Network Virtualization... A Network engineer with knowledge of System, DevOps is always a priority.
How would you recommend for someone to learn networking as a skill. Not just a theory, but the actual skill. I am almost through network plus and I feel I can pass the test but honestly do not feel like I know how to troubleshoot a network
@@phonefamoustv7930 In the first 6 months of work, when you are not assigned much work, focus maximum time on LAB. Practice simple LAB exercises with standard and popular technologies such as VLAN Trunking, LACP, Static Route, VRRP, VPC/VLT/MLAG/IRF, OSPF, BGP... Then do LAB exercises on 2-tier campus network model within/without Next Generation Firewall.
@@phonefamoustv7930 I don't why i can't reply. I think that because of long message
@@phonefamoustv7930 Continue to study the CCNA and if you can get the CCNP. CCNA is the foundation. CCNP builds on that. You will then need to get experience. But don't dismiss these two certs.
@@phonefamoustv7930 Your goal from getting a cert should not be getting a cert just to get a cert, but to gain knowledge you can use in real world situations. I made a mistake by getting colledge degree my priority instead of learning. I literally cheated my way to get a colledge degree and ended up knowing maybe 2% of what I learned. I gained more knowledge in 2 weeks studying CCNA than I did during my entire colledge.
Combined with one year work as helpdesk/it support? Great. I get response from maybe 4/10 jobs I applicate. People are more interested in me. Because CCNA is still needed and wanted! Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying. Just keep studying. Take CCNA first and then in 2, 3, maybe 5 or even 10 years you can take CCNP or CCIE. It's not like you have to get it all at once. Maybe you'll end up in another field. Who knows. Just do what seems smart to you! Good luck
People say that networking jobs will always be around so long as there are networks. But that’s like saying there will always be milk men so long as dairies sell milk.
What are you on about?
I would say networking jobs are more analogous to construction.
But ofcourse more complex and there are tech refresh. Plus heavily integrated to security.
@@StyxShow I’m not making an analogy to describe the job itself. The analogy is to illustrate the relationship between a product/service existing and the personnel needed to support it. I.e. the existence of networks and routers and switches doesn’t, by definition, result in the networking industry of the last 20 - 30 years…
The less people get it & pursue it, the more valuable it becomes & the more jobs open up (imo). The cycle continues.
There are too many CCNAs. Its not less people going for it.
CCNA is not loosing its value.
Many people think it does though.
I would argue that ccna was never useful. It was a stepping stone. I only really learnt networking during my ccnp journey. Even after doing multiple ccie's, my knowledge learnt during my ccnp stays with me 20 years later.
So should you do ccna? Sure, it gives you broad understanding of networking. But don't stop there.
it is losing its value. First of all, it is too easy anybody can get a CCNA nowadays and I mean anybody
Not anybody!
Anybody can get anything. Doesn't make it easy. The CCNA is not easy.
You people are coping really hard. Go and get your CCNA then if it's that easy lol
Becoming a pilot is really easy. Anyone can get a license today!
Becoming a boxer is so easy. Anyone can get licensed these days!
Getting toned body is really easy. Why do people bother training so hard?
Why do people even make stupid claims like these? Seriously, what is the point of even saying something like that? I know I'm not the most intelligent person in the world, but when I see how people write and type nonsense in youtube comments, I only then realize I'm not as d**b as I sometimes tell myself I am.
@@marko514 bruh i had CCNA since back in 2009 and it was way harder than the current and FYI I am a CCNP Enterprise
the curent CCNA is muddafuckin easy
I don’t think it losing its value I think no one cares beside HR
Nice
Yes. Everything is moving to cloud and automation. You still need the foundation of Networking. But I wouldn’t waste my money on CCNA certification. I would learn the material, but spend my money on CCNP.
Depends on who you talk to. I see a high amount of cloud repatriation going on. DC/private cloud is still as relevant as ever.
You would have a lot more followers if your thumbnails were less deceiving
Yeh? Prove it!
@@StyxShow Deceiving thumbnails are kind of standard on TH-cam… almost everyone does it, and viewers accept that as part of TH-cam culture. If I’m being honest, your thumbnails are no different… There’s nothing controversial about that, in my opinion, but also… there’s no need to be an a-hole about it to your viewers who call you out on it. Just ignore it and move on.
no it's not. you're just losing views and need clickbait.
Many people think it does, check the comments. This is also the reason I created this video
@@StyxShow If 100 people think CCNA is losing value, it doesn't mean it is.
So did millions of people, who never passed primary school think about Covid. That it's not real and that the virus doesn't exist. Doesn't mean it never existed. It just showed how stu**d and ignorant some people are. And judging by the way you make your videos and reply to comments, you seem kinda ignorant too
It seems like you think “CCNA is losing its value” is my statement.
I suggest you watch the content first.
This guy is just wrong.
Watch the video! This is a discussion and for the record, I never said “CCNA is losing its value”
After a+ and network + whats better to get.. CCNA or cloud or linux +?
CCNA
CCNA is a gateway and very important if you want to enter into network engineer. It is the passport and your career will start from hete
Nothing new. Every IT certification is losing its value because of braindumps
What's that
Do all IT Recruiters and HRs know there are brain dumps?
You know there still a technical interview process?
@@StyxShow experienced people used braindumps also especially when they are renewing their certs. It will be a challenge or close to no chance for you to catch an experience guy to know if he passed his certs legitly or via a braindump.
Only ones you can catch are those no experience at all and passed the exam using braindumps.
@@tsuyax6054 not the point. Answer my Qs.
@@StyxShow Dude, it’s not HR’s job to worry about braindumps. They just get you in the door. It’s the hiring manager’s job to grill you in the technical interview and see if you actually know your stuff, heck even if the hiring manager does a technical interview, you're not going to catch an experienced person if they used braindumps or not. Those folks have been around long enough to back up their certs with real-world skills. The cert just gets them in the door, but their experience speaks for itself. It's the fresh candidates with no experience that you might catch, but anyone who's been in the field for a while? Good luck telling if their certs are 'legit' or not.
If you going for CCNA - just keep going to CCNP. Plan for it.
There is a discussion about this. Check it out:
CCNA is not enough! CCNP, F5, AWS Certs?
th-cam.com/video/_0ls1pMKE9k/w-d-xo.html