You do great work. Thanks for a lesson. Way you pulled out a stump without hurting something shows you you're doing it right! Thanks for putting it out there. Do it right or loose a life.
People talk about synthetic rope being safer than steel cable. But that only applies to winch ropes. It doesn’t apply to kinetic ropes. That’s where the blankets or other things
damm, You have no idea how many times I have cried at some recoverys on YT (& whilst doing off-road competition). Its very common that 99% of winch owners don't know what they are doing with them. As you commented, training is everything. Keep it up - awesome explanations.
we hear this a lot, we constantly have equipment companies asking us to use their gear and switch to their brand because most people on YT just send it and hope for the best, and we are trying to look at the situation plan and do it right the first time. So they want people like us backing their products
I appreciate you taking time to explain on this recovery methods. I've identified a few things I have been doing wrong and taking steps to add some items the ensure a safer pull out. Thank you for taking time to show how to do so correct.
I can see one thing a winch blanket is useful for, and that's as a warning flag, e.g., if the line runs across a footpath. However, then the blanket needs to be a bright colour, such as yellow or orange, for it to be of any use. A black one is nearly useless under such circumstances. I keep a bright yellow one in my bag just for this purpose.
Most negative commenters are parking lot posers that have low self-esteem and little peckers. Just ignore them and leave a smiley face next to their comment. You D Man!!!
For those who ask these kinds of questions How many times have you seen a tow truck using a winch blanket?? The answer is none I have recovered and winched all kinds of vehicles is all kinds of predicaments.. And not once have I used a blanket or even snapped a cable.. Like Matt said if you know what your doing you will be the safest and won't need a blanket.. The only time you need a blanket is to keep the individuals warm that don't dress properly for the weather they are driving in..
I have seen videos of tow trucks and cranes snapping cables. One had two big wreckers attempting to set up a semi laying on its side. The cable on one wrecker broke, and the semi fell back down.
Really enjoy the content and info. I stumbled across one of your videos and have watched a good bit since. The info provided is excellent and thorough! Thanks for the videos and keep up the good work. Be nice to see you offer some kind of class for this. Especially since I’m in your area. I’d be up for taking a class and finding out how you calculate your loads on a winch pull.
I THINK I CAN SEE WHERE YOUR HEART IS IN THIS MATTER...but, wearing the 'White Hat' requires you to 'STICK TO THE FACTS'...you have basically but when you mix the FACTS with OPINION you muddy the water. Wearing the White Hat means staying on the High Ground & using Common Sense (a rare thing today). Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side until I am not, I'll tell you when that happens. Show your formulas when making up diagrams so others may learn on the spot...give them links to further their skill set in figuring their working loads. Don't leave yourself open to all the 'ARMCHAIR EXPERTS on the WEB'. Point out mistakes with your math, math is fact based but include all the load points, ie. that tree...there's a new discussion all by itself...the 'WLL' of Anchors. I admire what your doing and this is my first time watching, I just subbed...remember..."If your going to take the High Ground, stick with the FACTS and COMMON SENSE." (PS...[my opinion]...loose the T-Shirt, it doesn't look good under a White Hat.)
Good info.... I'm sorry but I had to laugh when the first ad to play for me was for a traction board by.....Rhino. I believe the ad targets users and isn't actually targeting your video directly. "Algorithms"
Yes. I mite be the only person around with blocks for an outlander… but a 3500 line to stuck, to tree, or back to stuck. Is so much better than trying to pull apart my little tube frame of a four wheeler… and it’ll pull out a pickup and nothing breaks. I almost never double up unless I’m only pulling myself and obviously not with my blocks. Which are just two pieces of 5x5” aluminum about 12” long. And that’s just enough to stall out 3500… no need to test it at 7000. And I never anchor the bike to anything. That’s what blocks are for. This video is gold if you never did towing for a living. Or at least had a class I guess.
I run a HF 5000lb winch on my YJ. Not because it has incredible pulling power, not because its a famous brand name, and not because my friends will be jealous. I run it because it only draws 25 amps of current, I never the jeep stuck so bad two people pushing couldnt get it out, it will load the jeep on my trailer, it doesnt kill batteries or alternators and I do not help Furds get unstuck. And I ALWAYS use the hairy snatch block! as per directions. lol
I was using recovery straps in the 1970's without training. All it takes is common sense which there is little of these days. I rescued plenty of people in vehicles larger than mine.
Thank you for the entertainment and lessons! You do an amazing job educating beginners like myself. I'm not interested in making a career out of this but can you recommend a class to take so I can safely get myself or others out? Thanks and keep up the good work!
I learn the most from crane classes that’s where they break down rigging the most, different configurations of one chain set up will blow your mind of how weak one set up is vs how strong a different one is
Good video! Lot better than what I learned at "Hold My Beer U"! I'm learning to leave my hard shackles and steel snatch blocks in the storage case. Most of my recoveries are me wheeling, so the lessons on compound rigging hit home. I installed a forward-looking camera and can now keep the hood raised so it helps watching what the rigging is doing, or if the tree is starting to give way. Thanks for the schooling.
This video was the first one of yours I came across and watched. Wow, what an eye opener. I learned a lot and adjusted a few things I did in the past, to get myself unstuck safely. I also bought some more Factor 55 stuff, however, I still own some of the cheaper stuff. Now, I have watched and enjoyed many of your recovery videos. I stopped watching the other Matt as he really doesn’t teach and I wouldn’t tug like that with my Jeep anyway. With proper planning feel more confident that I could recover a fellow jeeper, safely. And yes, I did weld up a pair of Scotch Blocks. Simple little weld job. Actually can’t wait to try them. Please keep up the good work with the videos and keep them coming. Thanks!!!!!
i have never broke a cable with a electric winch but my Holmes 500 with PTO twin 20,000lb winches if you foul them they will brake well before the winch will stall usually cable brakes first.
@@matt.mckinzie i also don't use soft shackles i buy the large steel shackles that are stronger than anything else in the system i saw a soft shackle almost go thru a truck fender. i don't have a snatch strap i either wench or slow controlled pull. there is simply to many parts stressed in a snatch pull. i know everyone loves it but not for me.
Thank you so much Matt for your critical thinking in 4x4 off road recovery. What you discussed in the video is of utmost importance for all 4x4 communities. Before going on a 4x4 off road adventure it is absolutely critical for all newcomers (and maybe also not-so-newcomers) to get training at a proper (accredited) 4x4 training centre. Why? Learning the safest and most effective & efficient techniques helps to increase human, vehicle and recovery gear [safety], and decreases off road recovery time and expenses! If you don't have to go through an obstacle, go around it. 3 Rules of off road recovery: Safety, Safety, Safety! Keep going, Matt - love your approach to 4x4 recovery - you are doing a sterling job. Kind regards,Joseph (Cape Town, South Africa).
But if someone that’s never done any kind of recovery work ever that has absolutely no knowledge and all you shove in his head is break strength And nothing about WLL He’s going to assume break strength is the golden ticket
with the reduction of safe working load going down with each use in sythetic..... thus requiring replacement more often....... begins to look like wire rope is better cost over time?? (assuming wire rope's safe load limit does not reduce as fast as synthetic with each use. Maybe it does?
I take issue with “you don’t need winch blankets if you do everything else correctly”. You can do everything right and still experience an unexpected failure due to any number of possible equipment failures. I worked industrial maintenance, you do everything correctly and still follow safety protocols even when it’s inconvenient because you never know when something will fail. I don’t expect the press cylinder to fail catastrophically while I’m laying in there working on a tool but I still put the safety posts in to stop it crushing me to death if it did free fall.
@@matt.mckinzie Not taking sides, but when you use poor grammar and incorrect spelling in your posts it really detracts from your message. If you're trying to make a logical point about an inferior product but don't even take time to run your posts through spell/grammar check, then you have lost that argument. Using not useing Dollie is a girl's toy; dolly is a two wheeled hand truck. Supposed; suppose means to assume something to be true.
So instead of contacting the guy you believe is doing something unsafe you troll him on TH-cam like a child? Why is that? Probably because the company that sponsors you is not the company that he works for huh? Very professional! 🤔
So let talk about your comment, I am suppose to contact a recovery equipment company who I might add is much bigger then our company, to notify them that their equipment is a reseller item found at 27 other companies and not their own, that their tagging and testing tags/certifications are missing or have wrong info on them? Also notify them that their training professional is out doing illegal recovery work without insurance or license. And says “I’m a volunteer” I’m voided from needing those. And I’m creating many other inexperienced untrained recovery equipment salesmen to sell someone else’s products with our name on it. Also I’m suppose to notify them that their guy is useing wrong equipment for the wrong thing to push sales? Also suppose to notify them of dangerous recovery videos he himself posted?? And I should contact him?? For your information Wes and myself have been in contact He stuck on I’m free I’m going to run every professional out of business And Create a million rookies with our gear I’m also not going to do things right I’m here to sell equipment Also offered me a sponsorship by the way which I declined Now for the trolling part? Showing videos where Mr Rhino the expert recovery guy is useing as “training” videos which he posted himself And going into detail of why they are wrong is trolling? 🤔 Now being a professional recovery guy I run into situations all the time where people who were trained by these guys have gone out and damaged peoples stuff and said tough shit bye Felecia Because rhino tells them your not a professional so when you do damage people stuff throw out Good Samaritan and leave Good policy Also people have died by these guys by the way Because they don’t know what they are doing period They are 100 percent guessing and getting lucky
@@matt.mckinzie you know what you’re doing is childish and unprofessional. I have no dog in this fight other than seeing when somebody like yourself that apparently thinks he’s a professional and nobody else is is being unprofessional on social media. If Factor 55 things you wearing childish shirts and making ridiculous videos on TH-cam is the image they want then you’re golden! Personally I’d never buy anything from them if your attitude represents their business model.
@@istinklikebutt45 also if you are ok with another company Pushing unsafe practices and potentially killing people and running illegal business You were never a Factor55 customer anyway
You do great work. Thanks for a lesson. Way you pulled out a stump without hurting something shows you you're doing it right! Thanks for putting it out there. Do it right or loose a life.
Glad to see someone schooling ppl properly. Great channel. Hopefully this will help many.
We have been asked repeatedly about doing it, we are just starting to do more education videos
Thank you for your videos. Hope you keep making more educational recovery videos!
People talk about synthetic rope being safer than steel cable. But that only applies to winch ropes. It doesn’t apply to kinetic ropes. That’s where the blankets or other things
damm, You have no idea how many times I have cried at some recoverys on YT (& whilst doing off-road competition). Its very common that 99% of winch owners don't know what they are doing with them. As you commented, training is everything. Keep it up - awesome explanations.
we hear this a lot, we constantly have equipment companies asking us to use their gear and switch to their brand because most people on YT just send it and hope for the best, and we are trying to look at the situation plan and do it right the first time. So they want people like us backing their products
I wish you could teach this to every off-road group out there.
We are trying we have our first event in april
Fantastic information! Sales people usually have no clue on how to use their own products in the real world 😂
Knowledge and science always wins 😎👍
I appreciate you taking time to explain on this recovery methods. I've identified a few things I have been doing wrong and taking steps to add some items the ensure a safer pull out. Thank you for taking time to show how to do so correct.
You rock. Safety first aways.
I can see one thing a winch blanket is useful for, and that's as a warning flag, e.g., if the line runs across a footpath. However, then the blanket needs to be a bright colour, such as yellow or orange, for it to be of any use. A black one is nearly useless under such circumstances. I keep a bright yellow one in my bag just for this purpose.
Absolutely
You are responsible for the path of lines
We see accidents all the time from tow trucks across roads
How do you rate the tree ? Where is the numbers for it ?
Most negative commenters are parking lot posers that have low self-esteem and little peckers. Just ignore them and leave a smiley face next to their comment. You D Man!!!
For those who ask these kinds of questions
How many times have you seen a tow truck using a winch blanket??
The answer is none
I have recovered and winched all kinds of vehicles is all kinds of predicaments.. And not once have I used a blanket or even snapped a cable..
Like Matt said if you know what your doing you will be the safest and won't need a blanket..
The only time you need a blanket is to keep the individuals warm that don't dress properly for the weather they are driving in..
They are a piece of mind for people with no understanding
I have seen videos of tow trucks and cranes snapping cables. One had two big wreckers attempting to set up a semi laying on its side. The cable on one wrecker broke, and the semi fell back down.
Really enjoy the content and info. I stumbled across one of your videos and have watched a good bit since. The info provided is excellent and thorough! Thanks for the videos and keep up the good work. Be nice to see you offer some kind of class for this. Especially since I’m in your area. I’d be up for taking a class and finding out how you calculate your loads on a winch pull.
I THINK I CAN SEE WHERE YOUR HEART IS IN THIS MATTER...but, wearing the 'White Hat' requires you to 'STICK TO THE FACTS'...you have basically but when you mix the FACTS with OPINION you muddy the water. Wearing the White Hat means staying on the High Ground & using Common Sense (a rare thing today).
Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side until I am not, I'll tell you when that happens.
Show your formulas when making up diagrams so others may learn on the spot...give them links to further their skill set in figuring their working loads. Don't leave yourself open to all the 'ARMCHAIR EXPERTS on the WEB'.
Point out mistakes with your math, math is fact based but include all the load points, ie. that tree...there's a new discussion all by itself...the 'WLL' of Anchors.
I admire what your doing and this is my first time watching, I just subbed...remember..."If your going to take the High Ground, stick with the FACTS and COMMON SENSE."
(PS...[my opinion]...loose the T-Shirt, it doesn't look good under a White Hat.)
Excellent video. I’d love to chat about some of the elements you discussed. One day we may get the chance to do that.
Good info.... I'm sorry but I had to laugh when the first ad to play for me was for a traction board by.....Rhino. I believe the ad targets users and isn't actually targeting your video directly. "Algorithms"
Yes. I mite be the only person around with blocks for an outlander… but a 3500 line to stuck, to tree, or back to stuck. Is so much better than trying to pull apart my little tube frame of a four wheeler… and it’ll pull out a pickup and nothing breaks. I almost never double up unless I’m only pulling myself and obviously not with my blocks. Which are just two pieces of 5x5” aluminum about 12” long. And that’s just enough to stall out 3500… no need to test it at 7000. And I never anchor the bike to anything. That’s what blocks are for. This video is gold if you never did towing for a living. Or at least had a class I guess.
I run a HF 5000lb winch on my YJ. Not because it has incredible pulling power, not because its a famous brand name, and not because my friends will be jealous. I run it because it only draws 25 amps of current, I never the jeep stuck so bad two people pushing couldnt get it out, it will load the jeep on my trailer, it doesnt kill batteries or alternators and I do not help Furds get unstuck. And I ALWAYS use the hairy snatch block! as per directions. lol
I love your green t-shirt especially the figure IN front of it 🤣. It's so true.
I was using recovery straps in the 1970's without training. All it takes is common sense which there is little of these days. I rescued plenty of people in vehicles larger than mine.
Where is there school in what state
Thank you for the entertainment and lessons! You do an amazing job educating beginners like myself. I'm not interested in making a career out of this but can you recommend a class to take so I can safely get myself or others out? Thanks and keep up the good work!
Great Information! I have not seen any Rhino China videos - sounds like I would not like them!!
What recovery course would you recommend?
I am building a Jeep gladiator and would like to learn the proper way of rig up / snatch blocks / math etc.
I learn the most from crane classes that’s where they break down rigging the most, different configurations of one chain set up will blow your mind of how weak one set up is vs how strong a different one is
Good video! Lot better than what I learned at "Hold My Beer U"! I'm learning to leave my hard shackles and steel snatch blocks in the storage case. Most of my recoveries are me wheeling, so the lessons on compound rigging hit home. I installed a forward-looking camera and can now keep the hood raised so it helps watching what the rigging is doing, or if the tree is starting to give way. Thanks for the schooling.
This video was the first one of yours I came across and watched.
Wow, what an eye opener.
I learned a lot and adjusted a few things I did in the past, to get myself unstuck safely.
I also bought some more Factor 55 stuff, however, I still own some of the cheaper stuff.
Now, I have watched and enjoyed many of your recovery videos.
I stopped watching the other Matt as he really doesn’t teach and I wouldn’t tug like that with my Jeep anyway.
With proper planning feel more confident that I could recover a fellow jeeper, safely.
And yes, I did weld up a pair of Scotch Blocks.
Simple little weld job.
Actually can’t wait to try them.
Please keep up the good work with the videos and keep them coming.
Thanks!!!!!
No problem, we should really redo this video it’s kinda old
And yea we will continue, recovery season starts here next month
Anyone know of a good book on general recovery, rigging and winch use? Would be awesome to have all this information compiled and portable.
Yes I’ll send you a link
offroadrecovery.info
On the main page of our website
Almost at the bottom of first page
@@matt.mckinzie Thanks man I appreciate you putting this knowledge out there. Going to try to get this book on my Xmas list before it's too late lol
Are there any schools for off-road recovery in the state of Illinois
Are you saying I should not use a (1) blanket if I have it available ? Is there any negative effect ?
Calculate the loads. You don’t need the blanket.
i have never broke a cable with a electric winch but my Holmes 500 with PTO twin 20,000lb winches if you foul them they will brake well before the winch will stall usually cable brakes first.
Hydraulic winches are stronger but slower
Electric is faster but tend to be weaker
We have seen cables broke on both
All depends on operator
@@matt.mckinzie i also don't use soft shackles i buy the large steel shackles that are stronger than anything else in the system i saw a soft shackle almost go thru a truck fender. i don't have a snatch strap i either wench or slow controlled pull. there is simply to many parts stressed in a snatch pull. i know everyone loves it but not for me.
@@DependableAutoTruck snatching is the most dangerous and should be a last resort in our opinion
Axle strap is more for securement not recovery.
What is the load limit on the tree itself,lol. Does it have a tag.
Depends on the tree 🌳
Thank you 👍
Thank you so much Matt for your critical thinking in 4x4 off road recovery. What you discussed in the video is of utmost importance for all 4x4 communities.
Before going on a 4x4 off road adventure it is absolutely critical for all newcomers (and maybe also not-so-newcomers) to get training at a proper (accredited) 4x4 training centre. Why?
Learning the safest and most effective & efficient techniques helps to increase human, vehicle and recovery gear [safety], and decreases off road recovery time and expenses!
If you don't have to go through an obstacle, go around it. 3 Rules of off road recovery: Safety, Safety, Safety!
Keep going, Matt - love your approach to 4x4 recovery - you are doing a sterling job. Kind regards,Joseph (Cape Town, South Africa).
Not always but mostly the break strength is usually about 3 times safe working load limits. You can usually use those numbers for rough WLL specs.
Correct, but some manufacturers will use 3-1 some will use 4-1 and some use 5-1
But all of them are safer then 0-1
But if someone that’s never done any kind of recovery work ever that has absolutely no knowledge and all you shove in his head is break strength
And nothing about WLL
He’s going to assume break strength is the golden ticket
with the reduction of safe working load going down with each use in sythetic..... thus requiring replacement more often....... begins to look like wire rope is better cost over time?? (assuming wire rope's safe load limit does not reduce as fast as synthetic with each use. Maybe it does?
So how do you learn how to get into off-road recovery if you never done it before and nobody will show you
This guy loves that piece of rope. He cant keep his hands off of it.
Sorry just found this
Thank you for the lesson
yeah
*GO ASTROS! Air Yordan!*
I take issue with “you don’t need winch blankets if you do everything else correctly”. You can do everything right and still experience an unexpected failure due to any number of possible equipment failures. I worked industrial maintenance, you do everything correctly and still follow safety protocols even when it’s inconvenient because you never know when something will fail. I don’t expect the press cylinder to fail catastrophically while I’m laying in there working on a tool but I still put the safety posts in to stop it crushing me to death if it did free fall.
..... for the same reason we didn't learn grammar in elementary school.... Check your spelling in your video title bro.
Oh my bad, please show me on the dolly where my poor spelling hurt you
@@matt.mckinzie Not taking sides, but when you use poor grammar and incorrect spelling in your posts it really detracts from your message. If you're trying to make a logical point about an inferior product but don't even take time to run your posts through spell/grammar check, then you have lost that argument.
Using not useing
Dollie is a girl's toy; dolly is a two wheeled hand truck.
Supposed; suppose means to assume something to be true.
So instead of contacting the guy you believe is doing something unsafe you troll him on TH-cam like a child? Why is that? Probably because the company that sponsors you is not the company that he works for huh? Very professional! 🤔
No, I have contacted him several times
So let talk about your comment, I am suppose to contact a recovery equipment company who I might add is much bigger then our company, to notify them that their equipment is a reseller item found at 27 other companies and not their own, that their tagging and testing tags/certifications are missing or have wrong info on them? Also notify them that their training professional is out doing illegal recovery work without insurance or license. And says “I’m a volunteer” I’m voided from needing those. And I’m creating many other inexperienced untrained recovery equipment salesmen to sell someone else’s products with our name on it.
Also I’m suppose to notify them that their guy is useing wrong equipment for the wrong thing to push sales?
Also suppose to notify them of dangerous recovery videos he himself posted??
And I should contact him??
For your information Wes and myself have been in contact
He stuck on I’m free I’m going to run every professional out of business
And Create a million rookies with our gear
I’m also not going to do things right I’m here to sell equipment
Also offered me a sponsorship by the way which I declined
Now for the trolling part?
Showing videos where Mr Rhino the expert recovery guy is useing as “training” videos which he posted himself
And going into detail of why they are wrong is trolling? 🤔
Now being a professional recovery guy I run into situations all the time where people who were trained by these guys have gone out and damaged peoples stuff and said tough shit bye Felecia
Because rhino tells them your not a professional so when you do damage people stuff throw out Good Samaritan and leave
Good policy
Also people have died by these guys by the way
Because they don’t know what they are doing period
They are 100 percent guessing and getting lucky
@@matt.mckinzie you know what you’re doing is childish and unprofessional. I have no dog in this fight other than seeing when somebody like yourself that apparently thinks he’s a professional and nobody else is is being unprofessional on social media. If Factor 55 things you wearing childish shirts and making ridiculous videos on TH-cam is the image they want then you’re golden! Personally I’d never buy anything from them if your attitude represents their business model.
@@istinklikebutt45 so you do agree, if someone is doing something you don’t like you have a right to not like them. Got it
@@istinklikebutt45 also if you are ok with another company Pushing unsafe practices and potentially killing people and running illegal business
You were never a Factor55 customer anyway
So on some of your videos i see you not using any blankets and people wrigth nextvthe cables 🥱🥱