Sega Saturn Collecting Is A Nightmare .... And this is why !
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- Sega Saturn Collecting is a great piece of gaming history to collect. Only part of it is a freaking nightmare. Let's talk about the pros and cons today.
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I was the only kid in my friendgroup that went with the Saturn instead of the playstation. Being a sega fanboy I refused to switch to another brand of gaming. As we all know the Saturn bummed (at least in the Netherlands) and even the mighty Dreamcast couldn`t save Sega. I still loved it though. So many awesome games! Back then I even bought some games that are considered extremely rare these days. Dragon Force, Shining Force 3 and even Panzer Dragoon Saga. I keep on to these and play them once in a while for nostalgia (even though I prefer playing modern games). I`d only sell them if I`d be rock bottom financialy. I really wish my good`ol Saturn lightguns would work on my modern TV so my daughter and me could should some zombies in House of the Dead.
A guy from Coventry England invented lightgun's that actually work on modern TV's!
Called the Sinden Lightgun you can find them online. However they only work with pc and raspberry pi's (and a few mini classic consoles I believe?!) currently.
Maybe picking up a couple and getting down the awesome Sega model 2 emulator and some roms is the way to go buddy!
One model he makes even have recoil!
...and criminals in Virtua Cop 1 and 2...
I picked up a crt for $20 from someone local specifically to play light gun games…..though all those old games look better on them.
Hier ook een die hard sega fan. Nooit spijt van gehad!
Get a decent CRT, that way you can shoot not only in Virtua Cop and House of the dead but even in Time Crisis.
Got a Japanese console and Japanese games and saved a ton. Just get that cart that lets you play any region.
Ditto. Doing the same thing right now. Not only that but google translate on your phone can help play those games that you need to read Japanese text. Works pretty good. Not perfect. But it's better than having no idea what you're looking at.
The Sega Saturn... Such an underrated system.
Should have stuck with improving it, instead of wasting resources on the SEGA 32X.
@@luisreyes1963 you mean the sega neptune lol
OverRATed system ever and ever
@@zulutgseta8276 only in peasants eyes who cannot afford collecting for it ❤️
I only have a Saturn because it was on clearance at Target in 1998 for $20. I got the system plus games for $2-$5 apiece. I never got a PlayStation so I LOVED my Saturn. NiGHTS, Croc, Last Gladiators digital pinball… my system was wonderful for me, especially because we were anything but rich. I still have my Saturn with its box, though I don’t have most of the boxes for the games, I do have the inserts. I think I’ll go play NiGHTS right now!
Same as you, I didn't even know it existed till I went down someone elses house. I genuinely cannot remember any kind of advertising on tv or in stores, it was all PlayStation
A friend of mine who passed away in 2017 had a Saturn and we had a lot of fun with it. Now it's his son's of course. I never managed to get a Saturn as I was still collecting for other systems. Here in USA the Saturn's games have gotten ridiculously expensive almost unbuyable so collectors do the same they buy Japanese. Good review and cool video Wicked!👍
You got the 3D controller! It was me who mentioned it to you a few weeks ago. I hope you enjoy it.
I still own my original black PAL Sega Saturn and I'm so proud of it! It is still in his original box and almost unused and from 1996, mine from the very first day of it's life! I have to grab it out one day soon and play some games again with it! Thank you so much for this video!
Awesome collection
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Japanese collecting is definitely the way to go . The new blue shell looks awesome. Great upload wicked as always 👍😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 and yeah I regret selling my 3 saturns when I was younger 😥.
In my region, Sega Saturn was just nowhere to be found. Even on a gaming show (local tv channel) they couldn't found a PAL version, but had to use Japanese one. When I was doing some digging around on how one can get his hands on one (~1997), the dealers would just shrug their shoulders, told me to pick up my passport and fly to Japan!
I saw PAL Saturn once. Only once. November 2021. And that was on the on-line auction site. Just a console. No controller. Broken case. Cover for the save game battery is missing. Asking price: ~€100. Even the seller couldn't verify does the console actually work, since he didn't had a game for it!
Addendum: few years ago, a copy of Symphony of the Night for PS1 was on auction site. Auction started with €5. It was eventually sold for €99!
Sega saturn got a lot of good games
Japanese ones, mostly.
@@luisreyes1963 no
It's a real pain in the wallet but if it's worth it to you to get after it
Great video. I love the Saturn as its one of those consoles that passed me by. I picked up a PAL machine for dirt cheap years ago and still have it today with a few original games. The PAL boxes are horrible though. I mainly scour for Japanese software and machines nowadays and will probably keep two machines as I would like an original and one with an ODE of some kind, ideally the MODE but i'm not ready to shell out MODE money right now. I would also like to do a shell project at some point. Keep up the great vids.
Loved the Saturn, still have mine in the original box in a cupboard, was my first ever console
The Saturn, Neo Geo and the PC-Engine are probably my favourite retro consoles (Saturn still being #1); as I grew up mainly playing in the arcade. Owning them really brings the arcade experience home. I have owned the original Japanese system and games from launch in the '90s, so I don't have to worry about modern pricing (though I do regret selling some titles); but at this point I think playing burned disks is pretty much fine (rather than spending the ludicrous pricingf for originals). I would recommend checking out the mission stick peripheral if you don't already have one - Space Harrier and Panzer Dragoon are really excellent with it.
I'm personally very fussy with control pads (there are many terrible ones out there). But the retro-bit controllers are pretty much 1:1 with the original Saturn pad (best pad ever made IMHO) and the 2.4GHz wireless ones are great -- they come with USB dongles for use on MisterFPGA/PC and the original hardware. I use them on my supergun and with MAME.
Je moet eens Belgische marktplaatsen bekijken, daar kan je soms veel Saturn spullen voor minder dan niks kopen. Moet je na gaan als je daar naar kringloopwinkels/rommelmarkten gaat.
Heb een kennis in Belgie die soms ongelofelijke deals maakt met GameCube (de bekende dure Nintendo titels) games voor 10/15 euro max die hier voor 40 en meer weg gaan.
Thanks voor uw tip ga dat eens doen.
Want hier in NL is het echt gekkenwerk. 😅
Collecting Can Be A Nightmare, Because It Can Make You Look Like A Hoarder.
Maybe... i only buy a game i want to play.
15 years ago I bought everything I wanted it all ... The Hoard Mode 😂
Doesn't make you happy because in the end you where hoarding and not playing 😅
Great review as always 👍👍.
I used to have one almost day one , a japonese grey version and man I loved it with Daytona using the racing wheel ❤️. Also a great game was Clockwork Knight, the music was so epic 😁.
I sold it but I bought another one last year, the japonese white one with action replay, racing wheel and alot of games, even Gale Racer 😅🤩. Man this console is so awesome, I wish I could get my hands on a cheap version of Guardian Heroes ❤️.
Nice collection to be fair 💪
I managed to get a Sega Saturn this past year and I cant believe it passed me by. Its definetely a great console to have
I always appreciate some PAL coverage. I want a Saturn so badly, but it is so hard to find one in the condition I want. Plus the FRAM mod is something I really want to add to it.
I'm glad I started collecting for the sega saturn in 2010 when it was much more affordable.
Wow, nice collection !
Kun je met die all in one card ook backups spelen? Zoiets zoek ik namelijk. Mooie console en bedankt voor de uitgebreide informatie!
I started collecting Japanese gameboy. Same game most of the time and amazing box art.
I am in America and Saturn collecting for many years. In the last couple of years everything has went through the roof. I am thinking about stopping if they do not stabilize. Thanks for the video
I just bought a Japanese Sega Saturn from sendico with 25 games for around $70. Must cheaper than what US sellers want for the same thing at $100+ just for the console. I'm just hoping to arrives in 1 piece 🙏
The real problem with collecting for Saturn is that it isn't the '90s anymore. Saturn was one of the first systems to really blow up in collecting circles price-wise, and there was only a relatively short window in which it was fairly cheap. If I hadn't been buying back then, I'd be priced out now.
I still have my sega Saturn from back in the day :)
I verzamel ik voor de Saturn. Geweldig systeem.
Another advantage of the JP Saturn is that the case artwork is usually way better
Love my Japanese Saturn and I have about 50 games including some rares, but most of my collecting was done years ago: prices are insane now if you’re just getting into SEGA your wallet is going to take a serious beating….
I still own my imported Saturn from back in the day. I bought it back in 1996. It's a USA version, with a cheat/region cart so I could play PAL games as well. I do like your suggestions for the upscaler and powersupply replacements. I will look into those...
So, you're basically sitting on a gold mine! Pays to know people! Cool vid!
I had a Sega Saturn back in the day and it was a big part of my childhood growing up. It seems to be a really popular console among retro collectors and that's a good thing.
Didn't know what it is till now. ;-)
When it comes to collecting for Sega saturn, my rule is to just stick to what I used to have back in the day (or had rented and enjoyed). So far I have everything that I like however, I used to have King of Fighters 95.... so this is the nightmare for me, there are so many different conditions to find it in (without ram cart, without the outer sleeve).. complete it is silly expensive :(
btw really nice crt tv you have to use the lightguns with!! :)
I have a original Saturn with all the cool controllers and light gun because it came with corpse killer i have had them since the beginning. my system is ntsc,American... it is one of my favorite systems to still play
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The only Sega system I ever had was a Saturn. The snes was always our console. Then we got the PlayStation and that was pretty much that. Got a Saturn round about 1999 or so and I actually really enjoyed the few games we had.
I never had a Saturn in their time, I get one aroun 15 years ago. It surprised me causethe games were really great, although I only had a few in my collection. Like you say find PAL games could be really expensive, last week I see the spanish Deep Fear version sell for 400 euros!!!! The 4 in 1 cartrifge is great, is one of the best solutions at the present time. For SD we han now the Satiator, but its 250$ expensive, hope some companies will make a clone soon for aliexpress. You had an awesome collection, thanks for share it
I was thinking of getting into Saturn due to all the arcade ports. Also saw really cheap consoles. Definitely gonna hold off till the SD card reader supply increases
Great video.
Do your 3D controller works "alone"?
I could get the white JP version recently, and tried with either the Model 1/3 consoles, but mine only works properly if I connect another controller on the other slot.
Oddly enouth it works just fine with the Mayflash USB dual adapter.
I were collecting games and hardware on CD32 console and CDTV Console while they still were for sale. Today it's very hard to collect any of those.
There already is a plug and play solution
the Satiator. You can plug it into the video expansion port in the back. It plays games from sd. It is expensive though. About 250 bucks i think.
My humble opinion is: players used to modchip their consoles, so the lens wrecked earlier than expected. Instead of repairing, it became waste. Never modchip the console. To play backups, the cartridge pseudo it is ok
I have a whole Sega Saturn set up with the mission stick and the venture cop game and gun all un opened
Love the Sega Saturn, it has so many exclusives that still haven’t released anywhere else
I wanted to know how the saturn light gun works with scart , is it like the ps1 where you need a composite connector.
I bought a saturn at launch and kept it 30 days and returned it and got a playstation. The saturn was $399 and the ps1 was $299
I had a Saturn for years but never collected any games for it and two years ago I got the retro bug and decided to connect all my 21 consoles to one TV and the Saturn was one of them and when I saw the prices for the games, I saved enough to get a Mode and recap the console and bought the 3d control pad, and a Virtua stick and a brook wingman and now it's one of my favorite consoles
Is keeping the gray one out of sunlight enough to keep it from yellowing/browning?
Have you checked out the V-CD cards for the few Japanese Saturn games that support it for the FMV? There's several to choose from. Victor V3 seems to be the best & also the priciest option.
I've taken the easy way for Saturn collecting: get the console, a rad2x cable, some Brooks controller adapter, and a fenrir.
The only thing that was hard to get was the mythical Dual Mission Sticks.
Make sure to play the game crime wave. It’s interesting top down car shooter kind of like an old school gta but only in car
one of the few systems i never bought
I bought a Saturn in 97 and I still have it. Terraonion is where it's at.
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that twin stick is pretty cool
I still have my OG one and it still works.
I bought a Action Replay and installed a Modchip years ago. Unlike my Sega CD and Dreamcast the disc drive still works.
Great system, probably by fav after MD. Started importing in 1995, finished the Japanese set in 2003. A lot of the games are simply unreasonably priced now. :/
Amazing man! You have the all Japanese games?!😳
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Yes...except for some variants, re-releases and special/limited editions
I built my collection in the 90's as I had the console at launch. Games got cheap in the early 2000's so I bought up quite a bit back then. Now I'm just getting all the Japanese releases we didn't get in the west. But even some of those are getting stupid expensive.
I bought a Saturn, but then a week later my disk drive failed to read games. Ugh... I ended up ordering a Saroo.
Ik had wel een saturn , ik noemde playstation kutstation omdat ik toen doorkreeg dat levenslang een half uurtje arcade fun zou veranderen in verslaafd nachten doorgaan , en spellen hun replay zouden verliezen , daytona en sega rally kun je levenslang half uurtje doen , lara croft niet behalve steeds een nieuwe .
And here is my collection 😂
Thank God I got most of my sega saturn games while working at Electronics boutique on sale.
I just started collecting for the saturn myself.
I don't know where you live only here in The Netherlands it's crazy expensive 🤣
@@WickedGamerCollector very. Especially for certain rare games. I'm in Florida.
So many of my friends with their disc have rot happening. When when stored in dry safe places. :-( makes me nervous.
How Much cost Panzer Dragoon Saga and Shining Force 3 sealed in Pal region?
I am surprised that you haven't heard of the Satiator ODE solution which uses the video expansion port instead of replacing the drive.
Aaah, you bought that Twin stick 9n MP 😀 I'm still hanging in there for more ODE option are coming or getting cloned by the chinese. Phoebe is never coming down in price and MODE is nice but even more expensive. I've completely frankensteined one of my dreamcasts (gd3mu, psu, hdmi) and I want to do this with my Saturn with a stuck cdrom spindle too. But the whole Fenir/phoebe/MODE supply and price situation makes me disgruntled to say the least.
How Much cost Panzer Dragoon Saga and Shining Force sealed in Pal region?
The Sega Saturn is not only a nightmare to collect for but it has become almost expensive as collecting for the Neo Geo AES. I know because I have a substantial collection of both. I got supremely lucky with my Saturn games as I bought one the same day I picked up my PlayStation the day it launched. I never got rid of any of my games and they're all in perfect order. I have all three Panzer Dragoon games, Burning Rangers, Dragon Force, Die Hard Arcade, ect...
Addendum- I wish Everdrive created a cart for the Saturn so I can save my games from wear and tear. We (fiancee and I) play our games here so we would definitely take advantage of it if one existed.
I bought all of my Saturn stuff back in 96 to 99.
I own 5 pal Sega Saturn's from 1995 onwards and none have ever broken. If the disc doesn't read just use silicon spray on the rails that move the lens and it's done. Best hardware and most sturdy as well. Not like dreamcast which is terrible. Owned about 8 and none have a working disc drive, so now use gdemu.
I still have one somewhere i think... not sure if i sold it or not. But i made the mistake of selling most consoles in my childhood, just to buy the next generations of them. However i regret it big time. I even sold the commodore 64 🤦♂🤦♂. However buying them all again, no its not worth it, cos if your really honest, it will be more for just owning them then you will actually play games on them, cos the fact is, you wont. At the time we wore out every console we owned with hours of playtime till our fingers hurt 😂. But just for collecting them so you own them, in my opinion its not worth it at all. Not to mention the huge amount it will cost you to get the consoles, controllers, accessories and not to forget games. So i prefer emulation myself, so you can still play some of those oldies when you may want to. It were certainly the golden years 😍😍😍😍
Guardian heroes, that game made me jealous of my friends Saturn..... Next day went and purchased one, best 2d games system of its gen.
I was collecting Sega Saturn maybe 10yrs ago but i got SICK of it and sold everything away... it really was a nightmare... you think the boxes in Europe are cheap and break easily? You havent seen the ones from the US/CAN. Then there's the Price gouging... then the resellers which puts way higher prices than they're worth... but it was also SUPER CRAZY HARD to find ANYTHING... collecting US games is not so bad at start... the common games are... pretty common... but then you get to the rare stuff and by god they are EXCESSIVELY RARE and COST SO MUCH and chances are they are in bad shapes too if you ever find them. I had the original Cart that goes in the back of the console... the original was a piece of Sh!#... kept corrupting my saves non-stop... so now even playing games became dreadfull. the 3D Controller was ma favorite but it's cheaply made and the L/R triggers breaks so damn easy! The fight pad tho is still to this day, one of the better gamepad ever created.
I never had an issue with the first party memory carts. But always had an issue with the interact ones. Those things wouldn't even save my shit. I return so many when I was younger.
💯!! *Mark2 Sega Saturn controller is the best fighting game controller ever made!*
I'm in America.
Saturn games are not that easy to get. Well, Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter 1 and 2, Virtua Cop 1 and 2, and Sega Touring Championship are few of those that are easy to get.
(sigh) One day, I'll get the Satiator.
Japanese Saturn games are just the way to go.
Man, those cases are pretty bad, but the US cases break just by looking at them funny. The Poly-carbonate material has just not aged well. I remember for a while, people were buying the terrible titles just for the cases for less than $10 USD in most cases, prompting even those to spike up in price eventually. At least more than one option is available these days to replace them with an OEM quality alternative. I'm surprised no one has tried to recreate the PAL region ones, given that at least they could conceivably be manufactured from more durable materials now.
Anyway, Saturn game prices are ridiculous now - I've only got about a dozen titles, thanks to the fact that I started collecting about 7 years ago. I got a few gems in there, like the Nights bundle complete in box with the analog controller, Galactic Attack, Both Virtua Fighters, and Daytona USA CE... OH, and I was able to get a copy of Tomb Raider, which ironically is the game I was able to see side by side in store running next to the PlayStation. I decided to buy a PlayStation based on that comparison, lol.
Japanese games are not bad, but if you're a fan of fighting games or shmups, forget about it. If only I could read Japanese... 😔Anyway, I gave up and purchased a Satiator last year - Sure, it's the most expensive ODE on the market at about $250, but I see it as 1/4 of the cost of Panzer Dragoon Saga. If you ask me, TOTALLY WORTH IT!!!
I dunno here. Maybe it's just me, but I'm a gamer 1st, collector 2nd. I'm not concerned with a case or manual, but more concerned with a good condition disc. I put them all in a DVD binder for saving space and convenience anyhow.
Blue and red are my favorite colors
Buy a Psuedo Saturn Kai to play burned games if you just wanna play the games.
That particular ram cart has the 4mb of ram and a region unlocker to play imports. You think I'm paying $300 dollars for Policenauts?!! 🤣🤣🤣
And if you really want official games, buy Japanese games since they are WAY cheaper since the Saturn was massively popular there.
I know I’m dreaming but I still hope Sega releases a Saturn Mini console.
“The nightmare before Saturn 🪐 “
Yep the Saturn collection is a nightmare for newbies. I started in ….1995 so I don’t have any trouble now except for some rare and very obscure consoles like the SGX , almost impossible to find even back in early 2000
Great video! Very helpful for people new to the Saturn system! Good job!
I still have all of my original Sega Saturn pal collection including gems like Panzer Dragoon saga and Burning Rangers! Brought a Japanese Model 2 (white) system about 12 years ago and have loved it ever since. Incredibly easy to mod!
The Pal model 1 (mark1) console you have is an absolute Nightmare to mod due to the main board being a pain in terms of fitting a 50/60hrtz switch.
My advice if you want a Saturn? Buy a cheap Japanese model 2. Pick up a Phantom mod chip cheap (I got mine from the guy that actually invented the thing for £15!) And get an action replay +4mb all in one memory cart and *cough* obtain the games you want! 😉
Don't try and play a pal version of Panzer Dragoon saga on a Japanese machine with an action replay cart as you will KILL IT! (The action replay that is!) Download an American ROM and change the region to Japanese with a region patcher. It takes 2 seconds 🙂
Obviously that's if you want to use CDs.
SD is probably the best way to go but damn it's crazy expensive! It will get cheaper over time though I'm sure.
Oh and the Virtua stick you have is the Japanese version which is the only one that includes microswitches. The Pal and NTSC A versions do not! (I also have one and it's great!)
I love the Sega Saturn. It was a 2d powerhouse and the fact that the fan translation scene is really great means that I'm still playing new games (to me!) Every couple of years!
Every retro gamer should own a Sega Saturn. Sega's best console by far!
Hey, you're saying playing Pal PD Saga on a JP console damages it, How? I've never heard about this, I've already done a few playthroughs with it. my AR card sometime ago strangely crashed and lost all of my saves, was that related?
@@JetWolfEX Panzer Dragoon is the only game that uses a copy protection purely to combat action replays! Download an American ROM and region patch it to Japanese mate! I killed the memory and the action replay part of my first cart just from trying to play my Panzer Dragoon saga PAL on my JPN machine. You're lucky you just lost your saves buddy!
Edit: My twin brother got my old cart purely for the 1-4mb upgrade. Rest of it was dead!
@@johnboydojo Good to know, thanks for the info!
I already have ways to play without a real copy, or I could get a pal system and convertor if I had to.
I used a fan code to bypass the copy protection, but no one has mentioned what you just told me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that plays it that way, could be a lot of people that bricked their AR that way.
@@JetWolfEX Yeah after I killed my first cart I went and had a Google and found a Reddit post with people discussing it. Also found old articles that mentioned the copy protection too. Shame I found out the hard way! Hahaha
Sega Saturn region patcher is easy to find and use. I did all my brother's games for him JPN region and they're all still in English, bar Die Hard Arcade! You have to patch that one as it switches language depending on the region machine you're playing on. Much like the Neo Geo CD
I bought a Saturn on the day it was released in the UK, several of my friends also had Saturns, infact I only knew 1 guy who had a Playstation back then, how strange is that ?
I sold my Saturn when I got my first gaming PC back in '97, I kind of regret that now, I have thought about getting another from time to time, if I ever do I'll probably go for a Japanese model.
The cost is a little prohibitive though so I'll probably stick to collecting for my Megadrive for the time being , with all the new Megadrive games being made now it's more than enough to keep me occupied.
Those systems sold for 400$ brand new in the 90s. More than a new Playstation!
I love the Saturn... but I have given up on getting any of the REALLY cool games... what I have is what I have :) Buuut... I don't play it enough... I am still playing my Gamecube too much :P
Pal ended up with way more games than US. Japan is obviously the best. Pal versions of all the games I'm interested in end up being cheaper than US, I replaced my laser twice.
The Action Reply 4M Plus is half the price of the All in One and still comes with region unlocking, 1-4MB RAM upgrades (which are mostly only used in fighting games, it seems), includes 4MB of memory, and allows you to cheat in games.
I love that controllers and peripherals for the Saturn are really cheap. Shame that games are not. Wish people could reproduce discs. Once people are able to do that, prices won't be so bad. Like, am I going to care if my copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga is not an official copy if the thing works? No. No I am not. Get to it nerds.
I'm pretty sure they are reproduced discs on the market, 25% of my collection are from repo’s. Blank CD-R printed + case customized. There are some groups that still resells them on Etsy especially. Mad Box Production was a giant producer, and made the jewel case and box gorgeous with their creativity.
Fun fact: The Sega Saturn outsold the PS1 in Japan. But not in the U.S
Here in my country it is difficult to find it because everybody went for a PS1 back then 😅
@@WickedGamerCollector I believe it too. Also thank you for replying. I enjoy all your videos. Keep up the informative videos and content.
remember it was mostly n64 and ps here i tried the dreamcat my cussin had one time never seen a saturn
i loved my plastic cases here in the usa
I want to know which version of the Saturn is the rarest & most expensive. By that I meant those made by other brands for SEGA.
I miss my saturn alot