Even as a veteran player, if you take a break for just a couple seasons, when you come back it's VERY difficult to understand what to do and in what order to do it.
Absolutely. When I stopped playing for half a year when Shadowkeep launched all the way up to Arrivals, there was so much shit added that overly-convoluted things that for the first few weeks I was a chicken with my head cut off.
I don't ever play the middle two season until I come back 2-3 weeks before expansion. It's pretty straight forward to grab the seasonal questlines and play through them. Not saying the system doesn't need changes. But if you are getting lost as a veteran I dunno what to tell you. We been doing the same EXACT shit for 3 damn years. Apparently that changes this coming season though. So it might actually catch us out.
They need MyNameIsByf’s lore video (the one that’s 4hr’s long) as apart of the lore tab. A lot of new players don’t know about him who’d probably really end up loving the lore if they knew they could get an “all in one” video for it whenever they’d want that, without having to read it all from lore/items. Could even just have a link to his TH-cam vid or something. I know I didn’t get into the lore at all until a friend of mine told me about him, I ended up watching the video because all I had to do was listen and I’d get all of the important lore in one video. His video gave me all I needed to know to enjoy the game’s story and know where it was going. This is an idea under the assumption that Bungie won’t make the lore easy to understand and follow for a new player. Which I don’t blame them, I don’t know what they should do to make the lore easy to be brought up to speed and follow.
@nephlive it's a jumbled mess but he's right that I've been playing for so long that I've never noticed how jarring it can be for new lights. Funny that the 2 live games I play, Destiny and For Honor, have the worst new player experience to date
@@drakusmero104 You and me are in deep my friend. And I spend all this time making videos on how to think about solutions differently and know that it more than likely will not ever be addressed. It's like a faith or cult even lol.
14:16 if the TWID/TWAB was available on the home page like he is describing then a lot more players would read it because the current problem is that the TWAB is not presented in game, most players don't have any indication that one was posted and where unless they watch people like Cross or Datto that cover it.
I disagree here. I have played Destiny since Forsaken King. I watch the TWAB every week Cross does it. I know where the TWID is and if Cross stopped doing videos I would never go read that on my own.
I'm on the fence on this personally. I think it would help, but then again - not so much. I do read TWABs myself all the time unless I'm really lazy, but I don't think it would change the situation that much, the number probs would increase but not much. People would see a lot of text and nope out.
I actually love this. I had a friend start playing and he was so overwhelmed and had NO idea what to do. The current system seems to assume players know where to go.
d2 interface has always been a mess. destiny as a whole to a new player is the most confusing game out there I think as it tells you nothing. I played d1 right up until around 2019 and spent so long in game on d2 having to grab my phone and google "where is.." what is" "how to.." where to find..." etc
even if the timer isn't for when it goes offline they should have ones for daily and weekly reset and when xur comes and goes. they need a community area at the tower where you can read the twabs and other relative community info
@@nephflix exactly. in Warframe for example in your ship next to navigation theres a little community page where you can see when DE is doing Dev streams , changes, updates, reminders. pretty much anything that involves the community
@@chronodis that's true but a lot of people don't realize for example that banshee has a daily and weekly reset on weapons and though it's super obvious to vets to new lights not so much
The side-pane on destiny 1 showing weekly activities would do such a good job in D2 if it was extended to handle a few additional things and you could press entries to quick-launch.
We actually used to have this. I'm not sure what button it is on MKB, but on controller if you hold the left trigger you'll pull up a mostly empty and useless menu. Years ago it had current events, like the Flashpoint, to tell you where to go to do these things. They reaaaally gutted this game in every way with Beyond Light's sunsetting lmao
I don’t know what the double escape to swap characters thing is, but on console you do you need to go into the settings tab and scroll down to the general options to find the log out or change character buttons. Having a character swap easily and quickly accessible on console would be amazing
On pc you can press ESC and a small menu comes up with a few options one of which is to swap character, so you can actually immediately swap characters anytime in less than a second on pc
@@SycloneDx2 ohhh that’s actually awesome. I’m glad you guys have that. The guy who designed the UI mentioned he plays on console, so that was most likely why he included the character swap button on the home page
@@FlyyKaRizZmAbruh the amount of menus you're shown as a new player, I've seen how it just drives players away cause it's unappealing, also with the lore first time playing as a new player I have no idea who these people are and they are just people
I think it would be cool if we loaded into our ships. Have areas in the ship to load all these things. Kinda like a helm 2.0 with more customizable options (like star fields ship builder). A star chart for exploring plants. A radio for LFG. A library for lore books (And pay someone to have them be audiobooks). A storage locker for your vault. A mission computer for getting all available quests and bounties. A trophy/relic room to show off/ work on all triumphs. And a terminal to quick access all the core playlists.
I think this is a good idea 2, and it could be added with the character customtion section, also the sparrow customtion, the sparrow could carry weapons or unique perks instead of just the look.
I've felt for a while that the ships are under utilised in the game. I really want to make it one of my next videos as theres so many possibilities to try.
Wow, that's the reason often times for a bit when starting Destiny I feel aimless. There's no starting point, or home. Your starting point is always kind of just.. Floating between things, literally in limbo between destinations. If you want hear about the perspective from new players, I've had several who have played actively for months and get constantly lost been menus on where things are still. I've noticed personally that some of the UI is extremely.. Weird. One of the main places starts you in the character screen and you can go right or left, instead of being on a left to right or right to left format. On top of that, character is split from your quests. Which is the most common thing you'd want to get between. So you have to get out of character, open the other set of menus to scroll AWAY from destinations or even starting from map if you're at a location, just to get to the quests tab. You don't go to your inventory too often, but for some reason it's right next to your character? There's so many menus to sift through and it DEFINITELY is convoluted for new players.
@@h13n12 same, They'll be times where im not paying attention and suddenly forget where something is for a second and opening the wrong screen and have to concentrate and start again
I quit destiny 2 because i got too high one time and tried to play the game and got completely lost in my mind lol To this day when i think of wanting to play it again its this uneasy feeling of aimlessness and this video sorta perfectly captured why i think my stoned ass got put into that predicament xD
Loved the ideas this guy presents. One of the problems I have with destiny is it seeming like there is a lot of content on the director but come to find out it’s mostly filler. His way of grouping all the activities so it doesn’t overwhelm new players would be a good change. As far as your question about weather new players are reading the TWAB, I don’t think they even know such a thing exists. When I stared playing I had no understanding of what destiny even was. I only know about and keep up with the TWABs because of the videos you guys put out. So if they could add a way for people to even know such a thing exists it would be a great addition.
Two things 1st I would have the same lobby type of screen for The Home screen so you do get to view your ship in orbit just listening to the background music because that is honestly a relaxing feature. So when you start the game it could show the ship fly in and then on the bottom it has Journeys tab which could take you to a larger version of what was shown and then a Guardian tab which would also be a larger version. Opacity could be an option to view the destination background or your emblem background. 2nd I would say it should be more like. Home, Store, Vault, Lore, News. If it’s the news tab it’d probably get viewed at more since it’s right there rather than off to the side and it’d still show all things Destiny Related For the month/season, Updates, TWIDs, Upcoming sales, and whatever else is Bungie official. In the top left of the news tab is a link that takes you to the Bungie site to see all past Destiny news.
I like the design but I think the game is built this way because of the RPG feel they are trying capture. They might never do it because this is essentially putting everything into a start menu like Halo. Their vision from the start was obviously that you fly onto a planet and access the activities that are on the planet like an MMO. Although, they did this weird thing where they put everything into playlists now so the planets don’t matter. Which means this could probably work.
Alot of how they organize it is really to better optimize. These kind of videos are not good in my opinion because it's not that realistic on a game as big as Destiny. Hes comparing features that smaller games have and thinking he can just boggle them all down into an already massively loaded server. These kinds of videos in my opinion spread unrealistic ideas and it's quite disrespectful to the actual developing team as a whole.
@@tqueen7131 Giving his educated opinion is disrespectful? Come on. Even if his ideas wouldn't work within the Destiny infrastructure, he does a fantastic job of highlighting how cumbersome the menus in Destiny are to navigate through - especially for new players. Only the devs truly know if something like this could be implemented, and I'd really hope they'd be open to constructive criticism like this, because it's not a well guarded secret, a minor flaw, or just a preference. New players are literally quitting due to the time investment of simply learning the menus, while veteran players often forget locations and lore. It's poorly streamlined.
@@illimitabilities he isnt a developer of video games and so no it's not an educated opinion. It's an armchair opinion. That's like saying if someone goes to college to be a teacher but gives Medical advice and calls it an educated opinion. No it's just an opinion. I develop mods and can write code and I'd never dream to sit around and armchair develop a video game. Hes also comparing games that arent even relevant to it as they arent live service with massive worlds like Destiny operating on all that. It's like decorating your home to have someone come in and tell you they would have done this that or the other and telling you how to decorate your home. Noone likes that kind of thing unless you asked them for it.
@@tqueen7131 I'm not sure if you listened to him, but he explicitly stated he is a user interface designer and everything he directly commented on is strictly UI related. There wasn't a single opinion/suggestion about anything involving gameplay, level design, economy, pacing, music... just simply how cumbersome it is to navigate the menu's, and offered his professional opinion on how he'd streamline it. It may not work within Destiny's infrastructure, but that's not the point. Only Bungie knows if it would or wouldn't. Ideas like this are how people brainstorm and workshop a new, finalized idea. He was literally as respectful as it gets, offered his background, and examples of his changes, only for you to call him rude, and make it seem like he's so far removed from knowing what he's talking about - he might as well be a gas station employee telling Nasa how to build a rocket. You must be defensive for a reason...
The active lore idea is basically what Amazon Prime offers for videos. And that is a damn good idea; it would give people a good idea of the amazing story behind characters. It's wild how basic ideas could really freshen things up for the game.
12:31 i just wanna point out, if you're a console player, or a PC player with a controller, you dont even have access to the quick tab unless you're in orbit and press B/circle. whereas if you're on PC with board/mouse, you can press ESC anywhere, so this is such a non-argument.
I think the destinations page helps the overall feel of the game and taking away all the planets we can go to from that page would make it feel too clean. I think having pop ups when you hover over each planet to launch a dungeon, raid, or exotic quest tied to each planet would help while keeping the feel of Destiny around. But also having a node specifically for raids or dungeons would be amazing and have the option to just pick and choose what raid you want from there.
Just people appreciating the ideas is good enough for me. Plus sharing new ideas and changes is the best part. If Bungie hired me I'd assume I couldn't even do that
It's a really good and informative video. Not taking anything away from the original creator, but the thing is, none of what he's presenting is genius or revolutionary. Most of the information he presents is basic design philosophy and best practice. I don't say that to shit on the creator, it's all good information. My main point is that any designer worth their weight in dog crap knows these things. Designers care about this stuff. High level executives who are totally disconnected from the experience and base most of their decisions of four or five metrics based on player engagement, retention and dollars spent in-game don't give a flying fuck about best practices surrounding UX. They don't care if you're spending time in menus or spending time playing the game, as long as they see that they're getting opportunities to advertise their wares to you and those ads are converting. That's it.
The goal should be player retention. If players can access the activities that they want to play easier, they'll play it more frequently. They should also be guided to "what's next." That being said, I agree that the goal seems to be keeping players in the game and not necessarily playing the game.
See this is my thought exactly. As much as these changes are good quality of life it doesn't do anything to address the biggest problem with D2. Namely Bungie's refusal to allow the developers to make a good or even great product.
I think a good idea is to have all the tabs from the director on the left side of a home page and the tabs of the character screen on the right side. This way, you don't have to scroll through them and you would have access to all of them on a home page immediately.
nothing hurt me more than my friends losing interest in the game after only a few weeks because the game was so confusing to them :( i'm like bro just level your character first then we can do the fun pve content but they can't even get past that stage because all of that is extremely boring to the average person. I guess i'll just forever be a solo player from D1 to D2 until the game finally crumples after final shape... then I will just be heartbroken and alone.
@@ThePresidentofMarsbeing asked to run through an obstacle course as convoluted as current D2 is, not to mention the monetary investment to be ‘up to date’, you really wanna be up on that ivory tower scoffing at the peasants?
@@Wrld_of_Shy As someone who has the opposite of gamer A.D.D. I play games till they die. After college started with Far Cry 2(Ubisoft killed it when they dropped punk buster) then Bad Company 2(EA killed the servers), then hopped around a bit trying to find something and tried Destiny 2 when Shadowkeep became FTP. Bought every expansion since. What I think Riley is saying is sometimes a single game becomes our hobby not "just a game" Could be wrong but that's my take.
I remember when I took a long break last year, when the Taken King Raid Re-released. When I cam back the Glaives were new to me. I was very confused on a few things, like weapon crafting and how it worked, along with some of the Leveling with the armor, and how to apply mods to the armor like Barrier, unstoppable, etc. I’ve played since Destiny 1 Beta. Love the game, but definitely need breaks for other games, etc.
There are some good ideas here for sure. I work mostly in databases and on the backend so am not in a position to say what to constitutes "good design" but I'd say the gameplay itself needs more attention prior to any UI overhaul.
As UX/UI designer, he understands UX and I agree on issues he pointed. But design he did is not AAA level, I’d take it as an OK for a concept. Also his version is not explanatory without him explaining it.
Idk about you guys but my favorite part of a new video game is being completely lost and overwhelmed. Slowly you start to grasp and put it all together in your mind. I remember my dad brought home a bunch of games from a guy at work. I saw this game Elder Scrolls Morrowind. I was at the first little town with that lost and scared feeling. I almost turned it off and said thats too much i cant figure all that out. But i didnt. I pushed through and a year later i found myself wishing i could have that feeling back. I found it with a few games. Then came destiny. Crota just came out and i got it and did the first little area. I walked out to the cosmodrome and the spider tank fell and the fallen ship flew overhead. I was like yep this is it. This is my game. I had that same overwhelming feeling and it was great. That's how life is btw. Everyone is lost and the best feeling in the world is finding your way through the darkness. Its beautiful and what it means to be alive.
It would be cool if they could implement a way to start activities while in patrol that way u can run around while in que for things like strikes and crucible and raise the fireteam to 6 in patrol for raids
2:50 I was a new player for Witch Queen. Absolutely it was hell to try and understand ANYTHING going on, story or endgame progression or getting gear/exotics. None of it is ever explained and everything is just constant convoluted menu's. I gave it an honest try and got myself up to the season's pinnacle gear light level, but I just dropped it after awhile when I realized I still had no idea what to do next and I was just grinding weekly pinnacle gear and logging off. Story cutscenes from multiple expansions would play one after the other when I would just visit the tower or a planet. All the hidden exotics were just meh when it took so long to grind the catalyst only to need weeks of grinding to unlock the catalyst to use it. Stasis literally still took WEEKS to unlock and grind, which was only available AFTER doing the story quests, something the game never tells you. And dungeons were basically just me getting carried because there is no in game explanation for ANY of it, not even a dungeon journal.
would also be nice to have an audiobook style of content connected to the lore as well as having that lore show randomly on related loading screens, similar to the hints at the bottom. the vault should be part of character options: inventories
you know i think loading screens are under untilised too. we literally sit there and just wait for things all the time in the game. When going to locations, activities or even when waiting to match in PvP. Surely this can be a time to show lore or more insights than what has been there for years at this stage. Good idea.
It's not just new lights that get lost. I'm a casual player and every time I come back from a hiatus, it's a bit of an ordeal to remember what I'm trying to do and how to start that activity.
What I also think it will give us the feeling of a new game would be the ability to use our ship as our central node, similar to what warframe has been always doing, that will even give our ship a purpose, we could have crafting in there, navigation, vault, bounties, etc... and we can still go to the tower for other stuff like events or specific quests, selling/buying, etc. I think it would be great to have different interiors or modules that you can upgrade, modify, and whatever else we can imagine. If you have played Warframe you probably know what I mean. it will save us from those eternal loading times, having to go to a different place for crafting, to another place for specific bounties, etc.
I might be biased, but to me, seeing and hearing the ship flying in once you load in brings a greater feeling of life to the game. Orbit. Free floating and ready to go wherever you want. Paired with the orbit soundtrack, it's a good feeling I'm not sure how to describe. Seeing your friend's ships fly in, and once your activity loads you all fly off and warpdrive... Improvements can be made, but I do still prefer the current destination layout, as deciding what to do is navigating a map, rather than simply text. It feels more organic, since we're navigating spaces, not just menus with lists of game modes. How I see it, we're fast travelling to destinations, going "here" to do "this". Let that sink in. I do agree that for newer players, finding dungeons and raids is tricky since they'll need to locate them on the respective destination, but it reinforces associating the activity to said destination. It gives a greater sense of world building, rather than just activities with a themed "setting". Do it once or twice, and they'll know it's on "this" planet. Find it on the map, instead of search for it in the list. Again, let that sink in.
After watching so many of your videos and having fun on your channel over the years, I decided to try opening a channel myself to share the joys of gaming. Thanks always for your videos❤️
2:26 these are both flat-out wrong unless you count loading times (in the case of the 35 seconds to reach the destination screen). You press a button to enter the game, choose your character, load into orbit, and Destinations is right there. From there, there is a maximum of two screens and 3 button presses required to begin an activity. Those buttons absolutely do not take 35 seconds to press.
Sadly I think a reason why they hide all the content and spread it around like they do is because if they have it all in one place New lights will look at it and see all these greyed out activities that they can't do because they have to pay for them and it's a bad look.
If you’re a new light when you open the current menu all the dlc planets are covered by their logo and prompt you to buy them to play it. It’s already pretty much greyed out
If you want your business to grow you give the customers what they want! When they ask for a hammer you don’t give them a chainsaw! Simplicity = happy customers. Happy customers = Telling friends and family = $$$$$ This dude is spot on with the new design!
The esc key isnt so accessible on controller. The back button is ghost and the start menu is character, so to swap character on controller, that quick swap option would still be very nice.
not gonna lie i quit this game the first time my friend introduced it to me and i was lost of the amount of shit on my screen. i was lost for a long while. this is some revolutionary shit were talking about for pulling in more players. something that does not overwhelm players is what this game need right now.
What if the “home page” was inside of your ship. Kind of like your own personal tower. A small space for quickly moving around. A closet location for character customization. An armory location for the vault where you can organize weapons based on type, and maybe even have your ten most used/favorites displayed. The current director page would appear on the ships front facing window when you sit in the captains seat. You then select where you want to go and you take off. And whatever else you want to add to the “home page” could simply be added inside of the ship. A journey book could be somewhere in there. An eververse computer where you can shop. You could invite friends onto your ship, customize it with items from eververse. I would spend gobs. The possibilities are endless. This would be an excellent compliment in game to the tower and would maintain destiny’s vibe while making things easier to access.
I can’t imagine being new to D2 and trying to figure it all out. It would be an absolute nightmare. Bungie needs to hire this guy, a lot of great ideas and features.
Mr Cross - big up to you for having the open mindedness to air this type of content to the masses. This person has got it totally correct - it would be a very refreshing and a huge benefit to all players - new and old....awesome
Give this man a job, these are awesome ideas. I've had around 5 friends just give up trying to enter the game over the last year due to being overwhelmed, not knowing what to do unless I was there curating things and providing an overview.
I returned to destiny around 3 months ago from a break of around 4 years. Last dlc i played was osiris. When i got back to destiny it took me probably 2 weeks of daily playing until i fully understood where i was in the game and what things i needed to get on with. For someone that is conpeltely new, it must be an absolute nightmare to enjoy the game and follow along with whats happening.
its really not that hard to find things each destination other than i think 2 have 1 raid and 1-2 dungeons and all of them have a patrol location other than that thr is nothing to click in each destination even if this game had this you wouldnt play because the issue clearly isnt that you cant find stuff its that you give no effort to learn it which wouldnt take long
@@GKelpyshould things that you paid for be harder to find? "Oh no don't whine and complain about an obviously bad and convoluted ui design. It's been like that for years. Just accept it and don't bother asking for a good change. " We're not massive tools, bro.
@@justiron2999 Going to each planet and having different activities in each planet makes destiny destiny why not just have a list of everything to do and not have planets then. People like you are just reaching for anything to complain about keep reaching everything in d2 made sense to me in the first 20-50 hours of playing if you need to understand everything in 1 hour i suggest you play a different game sry
I convinced one of my friends to try out d2 and ive been helping him learn the game. 2.30 its been pretty difficult for him to navigate through all the pages. More than half the time he would get lost switching between the destinations, quests, character bulids and customization, collections, journey and seasonal pages. I had to describe to him in exact detail evertime he had to do anything. He's getting the hang of it now, but i can only imagine the amount of frustration someone would go through by themselves. A home page screen, would really help.
I've not been back since I left before the new classes and the idea of jumping back into D2 seems daunting and is the #1 reason that stops me from returning.
• I never understood the "press X to Play" screen. I started the app. Of course I want to play it. Just get me to the character selection screen. • Also, yes, combine the destinations screen and tabs with the character screen and tabs. Why are they separate? That was one of the most confusing things to me when I started playing. Just make one screen with all 10 tabs. • H.E.L.M....why is it separate from the tower??? When it was first introduced my immediate thought was, "Why didn't they just park the ship in one of the bays by Saint-14?" Rather, you have to navigate and wait for even more loading screens to get to the HELM. Absolutely unnecessary.
To give you an idea of the new player experience, my friends and I were playing a new light the other day: New Light: "How do I turn in a bounty?" Friend: "Go to the quests tab and just click on it." NL: "How do I get to quest tab?" Friend: "Tab." NL: "I don't see a quest tab." Me: "Hold tab down instead of tapping it." NL: "OOOOOH, there it is."
I think the idea is fantastic but I would limit it to a progress line. So you would not be able to launch into a raid from home until you complete it maybe 5 times or something. Hovering over the icon would make you aware of this and tell you where to find the raid until that point. This way there is still a sense of the world building that Destiny has.
I gotta say, the ideas he has are very good and I love the new layout proposal. I don't know how much of this will ever happen but I love seeing fresh takes on improving the Destiny 2 experience.
Great ideas, but if he's actually a UI designer then he should know that redesign is very crowded. It's certainly better than what's in game now, but he improved on the access to activities not on the cluttered main screen.
I think it’d be even cooler that the first screen you see is the cockpit of your ship, with all the menus built into the screens of your cockpit. The design of cockpit changes also as you change your ship. You see your ghost and it gives random voice prompts on what you can do or just some lore related chitchat. Or if you collected some trinkets from missions you can have it on your dash, with the ghost having related comments like, “we really ought to return that rock to Eris morn”… Also as you change gear/loadout, you also get to see it in the ship. So you see cool effects and armor details. The menu consolidation can still happen, but it’ll be cool to be presented like what I described so the immersion is a lot stronger. We always only see the ship from third person POV, and that kinda sucks. If bungie really wants to charge money for ships, I think it’s not too much to ask for them to create the cockpit too.
When I first started destiny 2 a couple years ago, I almost gave up cuz I couldn't figure out where to go, it doesn't walk you along enough. Luckily my friend who lived with me knew the game and helped but even then it was Hella annoying to deal with
Strongly support this idea! As a veteran player I still find it overwhelming to how many pages I work through to get my destination. It also is a large deterrent to new players that don't know anything about the game. Big gripe of mine is access to pre saved builds to quick swap to without the need of (guardian rank up)
To add something, the orbit screen has always been in view of our ship. I feel like it should keep that but in a different pov, in first person itll make more sense to have his idea of the menu overlayed similarly to warframe. if that makes sense lol
Changes suck when the wrong things are changed. The clutter needs to be removed so new players don't feel overwhelmed, but the UI needs to feel like Destiny. I think the destinations tab should remain, but maybe make a tab meant to guide new players or store bounties. Adding character customization and loadout swap to another screen absolutely does not work. I like the ability to press one button to open my character.
There are quite a few good ideas here, the naming he used generally needs to be scraped and replaced with “Freeroam Locations”, “Activities”, “Character”, etc. but the concepts are good. I definitely have found that the layout of some of the menus is somewhat confusing and elaborate and often find that it’s annoying to swap between the character/collection/triumph screen and the director/quest/friends screen. I think bundling character, vault, lore, and collections to one screen and an updated director/quest/journey/friends/store would be a good overhaul
I just started a few weeks ago. Played D1 back in the day. But coming back the UI drive me nuts! I didn’t know where to look for things, how to find something, there are multiple branches of menus. So many things that aren’t competing for your attention and no idea what matters
My wife has watched me play for years. She decided to give it a go a couple months ago. Immediately it was "where am I supposed to go" and "what am I supposed to do ". Navigating the menus was so confusing to her. I mentioned she's watched me for so long, I'd imagine shed picked up on the screens, but she only noticed when I was killing, and not navigating the screens, cause in her words, "you always go so fast, it's natural to you, but I'm so lost". I felt so bad, and have spent so much time with her, patiently guiding her, and her excitement at ANY accomplishment is awesome, but I know it's because she is confused, and honestly half the time she doesn't really understand what it was she did other than "mission complete". Which is a little heartbreaking.
I was just talking about this with a friend of mine, putting all the dungeons whether you have a key from said expansion, all into a playlist on the director map, and clear the clutter in the helm before you land in the helm.
I think we change the twid or twab info in the top right and set a icon that show the vex strike force event and when its active. Thats really the only rhing i would like to see
The UI in Destiny definitely works in some way to make sure you value your monetisation. The reason the first screen is the way it is, is because it shows you your eververse ship or your fireteam's eververse ship to confirm or reinforce your purchase (or RNG). The reason why the tower exists the way it does is so you show off eververse (or raid/dungeon) items to everyone. It's crazy to see that they are finally adding Vault in the main menu after all these years and after all this community demand. It's a huge win for non DIM users. Now we wait to see if they are going to move bounties there also, but then, the micro-transaction positive reinforcement chamber will no longer be of use and will be relegated to regular activities where it's rare you go above 6players. Same reasoning for why Store and season pass rank are layed out the way it is. The question now is, how much of it is fundamental to the structure of the game and how much of the UI can be changed without overlapping changes to the whole overarching system?
I've started playing like 6 weeks ago. Never played before. And destiny is, in my opinion, the most noob unfriendly game i have ever played. The menus are absolutely horrible, and nothing is explained. 1 or 2 weeks in was very near to giving up. Simply because of the horrible experience. Not only because of the menus but so much more, no explanations of anything! No guide, nothing! Only the gameplay just kept me in. With a little help of a friend, it slowly started to make sense, and now, a month beyond that point. I am completely hooked on destiny! It's an amazing game once you know what you are doing. I have been gaming for 37 years, and this is by far the most beginner unfriendly game i ever played! But eventually, also one of the best games i ever played! I think many potentially new players never go beyond 2 weeks and then walk away. I am glad i didn't! Bungie needs to try and fix this. They are shooting themselves in the foot!
Les how does hitting esc twice work when you are in the end match screen for PVP? In those cases you need to return to orbit before changing character. You need to put more thought into when people are going to change character.
An Active Lore screen would be incredible. Ive had more than one person I tried (and failed) to introduce to D2 only to have them think that Zavala, for instance, is just some random vendor. :O
This sounds counterintuitive, but a BIG problem for players trying to navigate things for the first time is having the same thing in multiple places. Seasonal Challenges, for example, have three separate ways to access them. You can go from the Journey screen, the quest screen, and the Season screen. If you navigate by *landmarks*, it is harder to learn where things are if your landmark shows up in different ways, in different places. And then, there is also the illogical grouping, where those seasonal challenges land in BOTH branches of the menu. Triumphs, on the other hand, are like quests, but they're not on the same branch as quests, but rather next to your character's equipment and drip, the latter of which you can buy from the Store, which is over with the maps. I also like the menus being framed as simple questions instead of vague categories. Does Journey mean where you travel to other places? No, that's Destinations, which is not even in that menu branch. By the way, that also isn't the same as the Map tab. That is for the planetary map, rather than the Solar System.
I would love that Home Screen idea except for one thing: I love staring at my ship and my compatriots' ships. Maybe instead of using the existing director's background, have his new UI simply be a transparent overlay over the orbit screen. Or maybe an option to toggle between.
This is all you have to do. Add a zoom in and zoom out to the content in the planets. Zooming out will give you a better perspective on what content is on the planet. Once that is implemented add a way to see where real players are at on the map. This will make other players try to play world content, allow other players to play the content with you, similar to lost sectors. Have more animated icons that let the player know “try this in this planet”. Also allow the option to see where your friends are on the planets, have a blinking icon per player. When in a group also have a blinking icon to show where your teammates are on the map.
I get what he's pitching about the character section. As it stands, we have to go through half a dozen screens to change char/view loadout/change lo/mods/appearance, etc. His vision consolidates everything into one space, which is conveniently located in the home section where we will also have access to our vaults, thankfully. The last thing I want to do is load into half a dozen different pages and THEN have to pick a social space where I can finally go to the vault to get my inventory in check..where I will have to re-enter on the subsequent character before I can even boot up an activity. It's genius. I share the sentiment of it needing more love. We also could use a larger, and universal post master, for that matter..for the same reason the character/vault interaction needs change.
For the Character Change Screen, i think it would be nice if you were already logged onto one Character, if you could change WITHOUT having to go back to the login screen, and then have another load screen to load into the selected Character, and instead just get a popup when clicking on Change Character that asks you what Character you wish to swap to
This guy brings up such a good point. I know all the screens and how to get around, but there are just so many of them it isn't anything like sensible or convenient. And amidst traversing a dozen screens to get to what I want, I do make misclicks and end up adding to my trip. It must be such a wall to a new person who doesn't know it in the first place.
I LOVE this guy. This is what a good perspective of change looks like. And I’ve been trying to put into words what this game could really do with. This guy did that, flawlessly.
I'm a long time veteran and this has really started to stand out to me from starting to play warframe and seeing how fast it is to get into content It's also pretty easy to see less-destiny focused players getting bored in these screens and interacting with things like the helm
Trying to tell my new light friend how to simply mark a quest to track, was one of the hardest experiences I've had in a while. Telling them which tab to shuffle to, and how to navigate there was just tough for no reason.
How hard would it be to have the twab text in game somewhere? I was punished for not reading the twab and over 3,000 Iron Banner tokens were removed from my inventory. At no point in time anywhere IN GAME did it state these would be removed. You had to read the twab to know this was happening.
i'm in a discord server with someone who tried playing D2 for the first time this weekend, no experience with D1, last bungie game was Reach, etc. The experience for them, in trying to figure out anything is a nightmare. They regularly had to use their phone to search up basic functions of the game because there's little in the way of ingame explanation.
I would add a tab for clan/social up top, delete the customize character options (it’s only one click already so adding cursor movement makes this option worse) but keep a small swap character button in the bottom right. Pinned quest information could be shown in the bottom left and the what’s to play/what can i do should basically look like the vanguard, crucible, gambit, and legends icons except I would do vanguard, crucible, planets/locations, and legends: containing all the raids/dungeons. Have them orbit around the traveler and you could add another for seasonal content as well
Overwatch 2 puts their 'patch notes' on a menu selection screen when you push start. They have the whole patch note breakdown readable in game. Really dope.
the new ui changes proposed would be amazing, i've had multiple friends who started destiny and quit before they even reached the tower because of how much shit bungie throws at them right from the start, by the end you have 0 idea what to do
I think it's a good brainstorming idea, but not sure clustering information is any more or less overwhelming for new players. This menu is not any more intuitive than the current system, but it is less screens. I think it's a start
I agree with this 💯 another cool QOL update would be to be able to see what buffs/debuffs you can apply with the current equipped loadout on your character customization screen.
I'd add more to the "Lore Archive" tab. Say, call it the "Forge Lore" tab. And the whole of its contents is every weapon and armor piece that the player has collected, that has Lore tied to it (ex. Ace of Spades or Cromatic Fire). Also each having their respective sub-tabs to indicate specific items and what grade of item (ex. Forge Lore- Weapons- Exotic- Hand Cannons- The Last Word). Then Click on PC, or press Selection Button on Controller, and you will be presented with a fully rendered image of the item you're looking at, and the full passage of the selected item's Lore.
A “what to do” suggestion tab for story and content makes a lot of sense and something I’ve been saying for years that D2 has needed. After the new light campaign the next story related content a player is missing is paid DLC, I’m really surprised Bungie doesn’t try to guide a player into the opening mission (that’s been free in recent DLC) as a chance to get the new player to buy the rest of that expansion. And keep guiding them through. Just as suggestions. Not that they can’t access anything else, like the newest expansion campaign first, but that if they wanted an idea of “what next?” After reaching the Tower they have some idea.
Even as a veteran player, if you take a break for just a couple seasons, when you come back it's VERY difficult to understand what to do and in what order to do it.
Facts I am mostly lost after a new season drops for the first week even though been playing for five years.
Absolutely. When I stopped playing for half a year when Shadowkeep launched all the way up to Arrivals, there was so much shit added that overly-convoluted things that for the first few weeks I was a chicken with my head cut off.
this is a problem when a game is designed by people who dont play it
Honestly ever since waaaay back when the first D1 store was .. made up after the lead writer quit. I have not really followed the story at all. 😮😮😮
I don't ever play the middle two season until I come back 2-3 weeks before expansion. It's pretty straight forward to grab the seasonal questlines and play through them. Not saying the system doesn't need changes. But if you are getting lost as a veteran I dunno what to tell you. We been doing the same EXACT shit for 3 damn years. Apparently that changes this coming season though. So it might actually catch us out.
That lore one is BIG. A lot of new players arrived at Lightfall and they had no idea who Osiris, Caiatl, Calus were at all
Yes! I'm one of them, joined 2 months ago and the lore cutscenes are complete gibberish to me lol
Started with Season of the Haunted, and had it not been for Byf I wouldn't have understood anything honestly lol
They need MyNameIsByf’s lore video (the one that’s 4hr’s long) as apart of the lore tab. A lot of new players don’t know about him who’d probably really end up loving the lore if they knew they could get an “all in one” video for it whenever they’d want that, without having to read it all from lore/items. Could even just have a link to his TH-cam vid or something. I know I didn’t get into the lore at all until a friend of mine told me about him, I ended up watching the video because all I had to do was listen and I’d get all of the important lore in one video. His video gave me all I needed to know to enjoy the game’s story and know where it was going.
This is an idea under the assumption that Bungie won’t make the lore easy to understand and follow for a new player. Which I don’t blame them, I don’t know what they should do to make the lore easy to be brought up to speed and follow.
I know right?? I love my lore addition but it gets looked over. I really think lore needs to be more appreciated. But I've said this many times. lol
Nor do I give AF
I am today years old learning that the GoA dungeon actually has a node in the Cosmodrome. I always use the one found in the Eternity node
same bro
It’s faster to go to the Eternity node anyway imo
see. things are just buried in destinations and need to be made clear to players.
@nephlive it's a jumbled mess but he's right that I've been playing for so long that I've never noticed how jarring it can be for new lights. Funny that the 2 live games I play, Destiny and For Honor, have the worst new player experience to date
@@drakusmero104 You and me are in deep my friend. And I spend all this time making videos on how to think about solutions differently and know that it more than likely will not ever be addressed. It's like a faith or cult even lol.
14:16 if the TWID/TWAB was available on the home page like he is describing then a lot more players would read it because the current problem is that the TWAB is not presented in game, most players don't have any indication that one was posted and where unless they watch people like Cross or Datto that cover it.
100% most players don't go looking for it. Something in game like a banner even needs to tell them at the very very least
I disagree here. I have played Destiny since Forsaken King. I watch the TWAB every week Cross does it. I know where the TWID is and if Cross stopped doing videos I would never go read that on my own.
@@rtrichar thats you okay but i dont think this is the majority in of players for what ive experienced
@@rtrichar majority of people dont
I'm on the fence on this personally. I think it would help, but then again - not so much. I do read TWABs myself all the time unless I'm really lazy, but I don't think it would change the situation that much, the number probs would increase but not much. People would see a lot of text and nope out.
I actually love this. I had a friend start playing and he was so overwhelmed and had NO idea what to do. The current system seems to assume players know where to go.
That's just video games in general these days. They assume you just know what to do already
Returning player and it took me a solid week to get used to it again but even then I still sometimes open the wrong page lol
Its not hard to learn lol tell ur friend to use his brain 🙄
d2 interface has always been a mess. destiny as a whole to a new player is the most confusing game out there I think as it tells you nothing. I played d1 right up until around 2019 and spent so long in game on d2 having to grab my phone and google "where is.." what is" "how to.." where to find..." etc
Exactly, you really have to pay attention to “quests” and research info to keep up (lightgg is your best friend)
even if the timer isn't for when it goes offline they should have ones for daily and weekly reset and when xur comes and goes. they need a community area at the tower where you can read the twabs and other relative community info
Maybe not for Xur i have a feeling he always was a little like "go find me little guardians if you want your exotics"
they do, shop timers are weekly reset
even a community banner/kiosk something to just let people know about changes.
@@nephflix exactly. in Warframe for example in your ship next to navigation theres a little community page where you can see when DE is doing Dev streams , changes, updates, reminders. pretty much anything that involves the community
@@chronodis that's true but a lot of people don't realize for example that banshee has a daily and weekly reset on weapons and though it's super obvious to vets to new lights not so much
The side-pane on destiny 1 showing weekly activities would do such a good job in D2 if it was extended to handle a few additional things and you could press entries to quick-launch.
We actually used to have this. I'm not sure what button it is on MKB, but on controller if you hold the left trigger you'll pull up a mostly empty and useless menu. Years ago it had current events, like the Flashpoint, to tell you where to go to do these things. They reaaaally gutted this game in every way with Beyond Light's sunsetting lmao
It's almost as if D1 had a lot of really nice features that were removed with the launch of D2 🤔
I don’t know what the double escape to swap characters thing is, but on console you do you need to go into the settings tab and scroll down to the general options to find the log out or change character buttons. Having a character swap easily and quickly accessible on console would be amazing
On pc you can press ESC and a small menu comes up with a few options one of which is to swap character, so you can actually immediately swap characters anytime in less than a second on pc
@@SycloneDx2 ohhh that’s actually awesome. I’m glad you guys have that. The guy who designed the UI mentioned he plays on console, so that was most likely why he included the character swap button on the home page
@@SycloneDx2it is fast ur just slow skill issue
@@charlez1174 what are you talking about?
@@SycloneDx2dude can't even figure out how to reply to the right person and he says swapping characters is a skill issue
Yeah this man literally explained the whole situation of what i was trying to say to all my friends.
Gotta luv when you get smooth brains in convos.
@@FlyyKaRizZmAbruh the amount of menus you're shown as a new player, I've seen how it just drives players away cause it's unappealing, also with the lore first time playing as a new player I have no idea who these people are and they are just people
Thanks I try and find problems and offer at least my solution to them. Good or bad ;)
I think it would be cool if we loaded into our ships. Have areas in the ship to load all these things. Kinda like a helm 2.0 with more customizable options (like star fields ship builder). A star chart for exploring plants. A radio for LFG. A library for lore books (And pay someone to have them be audiobooks). A storage locker for your vault. A mission computer for getting all available quests and bounties. A trophy/relic room to show off/ work on all triumphs. And a terminal to quick access all the core playlists.
I think this is a good idea 2, and it could be added with the character customtion section, also the sparrow customtion, the sparrow could carry weapons or unique perks instead of just the look.
Sounds incredible honestly
damn, sounds like warframe lol
u mean like warframe? but that technology is to difficult for bungie
I've felt for a while that the ships are under utilised in the game. I really want to make it one of my next videos as theres so many possibilities to try.
Wow, that's the reason often times for a bit when starting Destiny I feel aimless. There's no starting point, or home. Your starting point is always kind of just.. Floating between things, literally in limbo between destinations.
If you want hear about the perspective from new players, I've had several who have played actively for months and get constantly lost been menus on where things are still. I've noticed personally that some of the UI is extremely.. Weird. One of the main places starts you in the character screen and you can go right or left, instead of being on a left to right or right to left format. On top of that, character is split from your quests. Which is the most common thing you'd want to get between. So you have to get out of character, open the other set of menus to scroll AWAY from destinations or even starting from map if you're at a location, just to get to the quests tab.
You don't go to your inventory too often, but for some reason it's right next to your character? There's so many menus to sift through and it DEFINITELY is convoluted for new players.
i'm 3000 hours into the game and i still get lost in the menu sometime.
@@h13n12 same, They'll be times where im not paying attention and suddenly forget where something is for a second and opening the wrong screen and have to concentrate and start again
I quit destiny 2 because i got too high one time and tried to play the game and got completely lost in my mind lol To this day when i think of wanting to play it again its this uneasy feeling of aimlessness and this video sorta perfectly captured why i think my stoned ass got put into that predicament xD
Loved the ideas this guy presents. One of the problems I have with destiny is it seeming like there is a lot of content on the director but come to find out it’s mostly filler. His way of grouping all the activities so it doesn’t overwhelm new players would be a good change. As far as your question about weather new players are reading the TWAB, I don’t think they even know such a thing exists. When I stared playing I had no understanding of what destiny even was. I only know about and keep up with the TWABs because of the videos you guys put out. So if they could add a way for people to even know such a thing exists it would be a great addition.
Right! we need to make activities more accessible and less hidden but in the right way. I still think most don't even see TWIDS.
A huge new UI update would definitely feel refreshing. Especially being able to bring up character lore/background on the fly like that.
Two things 1st I would have the same lobby type of screen for The Home screen so you do get to view your ship in orbit just listening to the background music because that is honestly a relaxing feature. So when you start the game it could show the ship fly in and then on the bottom it has Journeys tab which could take you to a larger version of what was shown and then a Guardian tab which would also be a larger version. Opacity could be an option to view the destination background or your emblem background.
2nd I would say it should be more like.
Home, Store, Vault, Lore, News.
If it’s the news tab it’d probably get viewed at more since it’s right there rather than off to the side and it’d still show all things Destiny Related For the month/season, Updates, TWIDs, Upcoming sales, and whatever else is Bungie official. In the top left of the news tab is a link that takes you to the Bungie site to see all past Destiny news.
This game could really use a good streamlining. I like this idea
Tell me about it. I've dedicated a whole channel to this thinking.
I like the design but I think the game is built this way because of the RPG feel they are trying capture. They might never do it because this is essentially putting everything into a start menu like Halo. Their vision from the start was obviously that you fly onto a planet and access the activities that are on the planet like an MMO. Although, they did this weird thing where they put everything into playlists now so the planets don’t matter. Which means this could probably work.
Alot of how they organize it is really to better optimize. These kind of videos are not good in my opinion because it's not that realistic on a game as big as Destiny. Hes comparing features that smaller games have and thinking he can just boggle them all down into an already massively loaded server. These kinds of videos in my opinion spread unrealistic ideas and it's quite disrespectful to the actual developing team as a whole.
@@tqueen7131 Giving his educated opinion is disrespectful? Come on. Even if his ideas wouldn't work within the Destiny infrastructure, he does a fantastic job of highlighting how cumbersome the menus in Destiny are to navigate through - especially for new players. Only the devs truly know if something like this could be implemented, and I'd really hope they'd be open to constructive criticism like this, because it's not a well guarded secret, a minor flaw, or just a preference. New players are literally quitting due to the time investment of simply learning the menus, while veteran players often forget locations and lore. It's poorly streamlined.
@@illimitabilities he isnt a developer of video games and so no it's not an educated opinion. It's an armchair opinion. That's like saying if someone goes to college to be a teacher but gives Medical advice and calls it an educated opinion. No it's just an opinion. I develop mods and can write code and I'd never dream to sit around and armchair develop a video game. Hes also comparing games that arent even relevant to it as they arent live service with massive worlds like Destiny operating on all that. It's like decorating your home to have someone come in and tell you they would have done this that or the other and telling you how to decorate your home. Noone likes that kind of thing unless you asked them for it.
@@tqueen7131 I'm not sure if you listened to him, but he explicitly stated he is a user interface designer and everything he directly commented on is strictly UI related. There wasn't a single opinion/suggestion about anything involving gameplay, level design, economy, pacing, music... just simply how cumbersome it is to navigate the menu's, and offered his professional opinion on how he'd streamline it. It may not work within Destiny's infrastructure, but that's not the point. Only Bungie knows if it would or wouldn't. Ideas like this are how people brainstorm and workshop a new, finalized idea.
He was literally as respectful as it gets, offered his background, and examples of his changes, only for you to call him rude, and make it seem like he's so far removed from knowing what he's talking about - he might as well be a gas station employee telling Nasa how to build a rocket. You must be defensive for a reason...
The active lore idea is basically what Amazon Prime offers for videos. And that is a damn good idea; it would give people a good idea of the amazing story behind characters. It's wild how basic ideas could really freshen things up for the game.
We badly need something to let new players get into lore. It's so good and so under appreciated!
12:31 i just wanna point out, if you're a console player, or a PC player with a controller, you dont even have access to the quick tab unless you're in orbit and press B/circle. whereas if you're on PC with board/mouse, you can press ESC anywhere, so this is such a non-argument.
I think the destinations page helps the overall feel of the game and taking away all the planets we can go to from that page would make it feel too clean. I think having pop ups when you hover over each planet to launch a dungeon, raid, or exotic quest tied to each planet would help while keeping the feel of Destiny around. But also having a node specifically for raids or dungeons would be amazing and have the option to just pick and choose what raid you want from there.
I genuinely hope Bungie hires this guy because this is genius
Just people appreciating the ideas is good enough for me. Plus sharing new ideas and changes is the best part. If Bungie hired me I'd assume I couldn't even do that
lmao
It's a really good and informative video. Not taking anything away from the original creator, but the thing is, none of what he's presenting is genius or revolutionary. Most of the information he presents is basic design philosophy and best practice.
I don't say that to shit on the creator, it's all good information. My main point is that any designer worth their weight in dog crap knows these things. Designers care about this stuff. High level executives who are totally disconnected from the experience and base most of their decisions of four or five metrics based on player engagement, retention and dollars spent in-game don't give a flying fuck about best practices surrounding UX. They don't care if you're spending time in menus or spending time playing the game, as long as they see that they're getting opportunities to advertise their wares to you and those ads are converting. That's it.
Bungie's goal is to keep us on the game for the longest time possible, they don't care about optimising our time
The goal should be player retention. If players can access the activities that they want to play easier, they'll play it more frequently. They should also be guided to "what's next." That being said, I agree that the goal seems to be keeping players in the game and not necessarily playing the game.
@@kleblanc1124 I totally agree on your point !
Literally this, they even hire people for that...
See this is my thought exactly. As much as these changes are good quality of life it doesn't do anything to address the biggest problem with D2. Namely Bungie's refusal to allow the developers to make a good or even great product.
I think a good idea is to have all the tabs from the director on the left side of a home page and the tabs of the character screen on the right side. This way, you don't have to scroll through them and you would have access to all of them on a home page immediately.
nothing hurt me more than my friends losing interest in the game after only a few weeks because the game was so confusing to them :( i'm like bro just level your character first then we can do the fun pve content but they can't even get past that stage because all of that is extremely boring to the average person. I guess i'll just forever be a solo player from D1 to D2 until the game finally crumples after final shape... then I will just be heartbroken and alone.
I struggle to believe they would enjoy any game if they cant be asked to get the character up to spec
@@ThePresidentofMarsbeing asked to run through an obstacle course as convoluted as current D2 is, not to mention the monetary investment to be ‘up to date’, you really wanna be up on that ivory tower scoffing at the peasants?
You'll still have me 😢❤
“Then I will just be heartbroken and alone” bro its just a game are you good?
@@Wrld_of_Shy As someone who has the opposite of gamer A.D.D. I play games till they die. After college started with Far Cry 2(Ubisoft killed it when they dropped punk buster) then Bad Company 2(EA killed the servers), then hopped around a bit trying to find something and tried Destiny 2 when Shadowkeep became FTP. Bought every expansion since. What I think Riley is saying is sometimes a single game becomes our hobby not "just a game" Could be wrong but that's my take.
I remember when I took a long break last year, when the Taken King Raid Re-released. When I cam back the Glaives were new to me. I was very confused on a few things, like weapon crafting and how it worked, along with some of the Leveling with the armor, and how to apply mods to the armor like Barrier, unstoppable, etc. I’ve played since Destiny 1 Beta. Love the game, but definitely need breaks for other games, etc.
There are some good ideas here for sure. I work mostly in databases and on the backend so am not in a position to say what to constitutes "good design" but I'd say the gameplay itself needs more attention prior to any UI overhaul.
As UX/UI designer, he understands UX and I agree on issues he pointed. But design he did is not AAA level, I’d take it as an OK for a concept. Also his version is not explanatory without him explaining it.
Idk about you guys but my favorite part of a new video game is being completely lost and overwhelmed. Slowly you start to grasp and put it all together in your mind. I remember my dad brought home a bunch of games from a guy at work. I saw this game Elder Scrolls Morrowind. I was at the first little town with that lost and scared feeling. I almost turned it off and said thats too much i cant figure all that out. But i didnt. I pushed through and a year later i found myself wishing i could have that feeling back.
I found it with a few games. Then came destiny. Crota just came out and i got it and did the first little area. I walked out to the cosmodrome and the spider tank fell and the fallen ship flew overhead. I was like yep this is it. This is my game. I had that same overwhelming feeling and it was great.
That's how life is btw. Everyone is lost and the best feeling in the world is finding your way through the darkness. Its beautiful and what it means to be alive.
It would be cool if they could implement a way to start activities while in patrol that way u can run around while in que for things like strikes and crucible and raise the fireteam to 6 in patrol for raids
Destinations with a raid already have it loaded in, just behind barriers and doors. People literally glitch into them by going out of bounds lol.
2:50 I was a new player for Witch Queen. Absolutely it was hell to try and understand ANYTHING going on, story or endgame progression or getting gear/exotics. None of it is ever explained and everything is just constant convoluted menu's. I gave it an honest try and got myself up to the season's pinnacle gear light level, but I just dropped it after awhile when I realized I still had no idea what to do next and I was just grinding weekly pinnacle gear and logging off.
Story cutscenes from multiple expansions would play one after the other when I would just visit the tower or a planet.
All the hidden exotics were just meh when it took so long to grind the catalyst only to need weeks of grinding to unlock the catalyst to use it.
Stasis literally still took WEEKS to unlock and grind, which was only available AFTER doing the story quests, something the game never tells you.
And dungeons were basically just me getting carried because there is no in game explanation for ANY of it, not even a dungeon journal.
would also be nice to have an audiobook style of content connected to the lore as well as having that lore show randomly on related loading screens, similar to the hints at the bottom. the vault should be part of character options: inventories
you know i think loading screens are under untilised too. we literally sit there and just wait for things all the time in the game. When going to locations, activities or even when waiting to match in PvP. Surely this can be a time to show lore or more insights than what has been there for years at this stage. Good idea.
It's not just new lights that get lost. I'm a casual player and every time I come back from a hiatus, it's a bit of an ordeal to remember what I'm trying to do and how to start that activity.
What I also think it will give us the feeling of a new game would be the ability to use our ship as our central node, similar to what warframe has been always doing, that will even give our ship a purpose, we could have crafting in there, navigation, vault, bounties, etc... and we can still go to the tower for other stuff like events or specific quests, selling/buying, etc.
I think it would be great to have different interiors or modules that you can upgrade, modify, and whatever else we can imagine. If you have played Warframe you probably know what I mean. it will save us from those eternal loading times, having to go to a different place for crafting, to another place for specific bounties, etc.
I might be biased, but to me, seeing and hearing the ship flying in once you load in brings a greater feeling of life to the game. Orbit. Free floating and ready to go wherever you want. Paired with the orbit soundtrack, it's a good feeling I'm not sure how to describe. Seeing your friend's ships fly in, and once your activity loads you all fly off and warpdrive...
Improvements can be made, but I do still prefer the current destination layout, as deciding what to do is navigating a map, rather than simply text. It feels more organic, since we're navigating spaces, not just menus with lists of game modes. How I see it, we're fast travelling to destinations, going "here" to do "this". Let that sink in.
I do agree that for newer players, finding dungeons and raids is tricky since they'll need to locate them on the respective destination, but it reinforces associating the activity to said destination. It gives a greater sense of world building, rather than just activities with a themed "setting". Do it once or twice, and they'll know it's on "this" planet. Find it on the map, instead of search for it in the list. Again, let that sink in.
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2:26 these are both flat-out wrong unless you count loading times (in the case of the 35 seconds to reach the destination screen). You press a button to enter the game, choose your character, load into orbit, and Destinations is right there. From there, there is a maximum of two screens and 3 button presses required to begin an activity. Those buttons absolutely do not take 35 seconds to press.
Sadly I think a reason why they hide all the content and spread it around like they do is because if they have it all in one place New lights will look at it and see all these greyed out activities that they can't do because they have to pay for them and it's a bad look.
Maybe they try a free for all week to give New Lights a taster of fresh content. I dunno.
If you’re a new light when you open the current menu all the dlc planets are covered by their logo and prompt you to buy them to play it. It’s already pretty much greyed out
@@nicholasrueda321 oeff, okay thats tough
If you want your business to grow you give the customers what they want! When they ask for a hammer you don’t give them a chainsaw! Simplicity = happy customers. Happy customers = Telling friends and family = $$$$$ This dude is spot on with the new design!
The esc key isnt so accessible on controller. The back button is ghost and the start menu is character, so to swap character on controller, that quick swap option would still be very nice.
Unpopular opinion: Sunsetting was the best thing introduced to the game in terms of balancing and it needs brought back.
not gonna lie i quit this game the first time my friend introduced it to me and i was lost of the amount of shit on my screen. i was lost for a long while. this is some revolutionary shit were talking about for pulling in more players. something that does not overwhelm players is what this game need right now.
I think so too. It's good to throw these ideas out there and see what resonates with players. I have lots of these ideas rumbling around my head.
What if the “home page” was inside of your ship. Kind of like your own personal tower. A small space for quickly moving around. A closet location for character customization. An armory location for the vault where you can organize weapons based on type, and maybe even have your ten most used/favorites displayed. The current director page would appear on the ships front facing window when you sit in the captains seat. You then select where you want to go and you take off. And whatever else you want to add to the “home page” could simply be added inside of the ship. A journey book could be somewhere in there. An eververse computer where you can shop. You could invite friends onto your ship, customize it with items from eververse. I would spend gobs. The possibilities are endless. This would be an excellent compliment in game to the tower and would maintain destiny’s vibe while making things easier to access.
is this like, warframe?
I can’t imagine being new to D2 and trying to figure it all out. It would be an absolute nightmare. Bungie needs to hire this guy, a lot of great ideas and features.
Mr Cross - big up to you for having the open mindedness to air this type of content to the masses. This person has got it totally correct - it would be a very refreshing and a huge benefit to all players - new and old....awesome
Aztecross for president 2024
Give this man a job, these are awesome ideas. I've had around 5 friends just give up trying to enter the game over the last year due to being overwhelmed, not knowing what to do unless I was there curating things and providing an overview.
Assuming we get passed The Final Shape
I returned to destiny around 3 months ago from a break of around 4 years. Last dlc i played was osiris. When i got back to destiny it took me probably 2 weeks of daily playing until i fully understood where i was in the game and what things i needed to get on with. For someone that is conpeltely new, it must be an absolute nightmare to enjoy the game and follow along with whats happening.
What he is proposing as a new player will be helpful for many newcomers, if D2 can make these changes I’ll buy all expansion packs
its really not that hard to find things each destination other than i think 2 have 1 raid and 1-2 dungeons and all of them have a patrol location other than that thr is nothing to click in each destination even if this game had this you wouldnt play because the issue clearly isnt that you cant find stuff its that you give no effort to learn it which wouldnt take long
@@GKelpyshould things that you paid for be harder to find? "Oh no don't whine and complain about an obviously bad and convoluted ui design. It's been like that for years. Just accept it and don't bother asking for a good change. " We're not massive tools, bro.
@@justiron2999 Going to each planet and having different activities in each planet makes destiny destiny why not just have a list of everything to do and not have planets then. People like you are just reaching for anything to complain about keep reaching everything in d2 made sense to me in the first 20-50 hours of playing if you need to understand everything in 1 hour i suggest you play a different game sry
I convinced one of my friends to try out d2 and ive been helping him learn the game. 2.30 its been pretty difficult for him to navigate through all the pages. More than half the time he would get lost switching between the destinations, quests, character bulids and customization, collections, journey and seasonal pages. I had to describe to him in exact detail evertime he had to do anything. He's getting the hang of it now, but i can only imagine the amount of frustration someone would go through by themselves. A home page screen, would really help.
i have to say i think so too. But then i am biased ;)
I've not been back since I left before the new classes and the idea of jumping back into D2 seems daunting and is the #1 reason that stops me from returning.
• I never understood the "press X to Play" screen. I started the app. Of course I want to play it. Just get me to the character selection screen.
• Also, yes, combine the destinations screen and tabs with the character screen and tabs. Why are they separate? That was one of the most confusing things to me when I started playing. Just make one screen with all 10 tabs.
• H.E.L.M....why is it separate from the tower??? When it was first introduced my immediate thought was, "Why didn't they just park the ship in one of the bays by Saint-14?" Rather, you have to navigate and wait for even more loading screens to get to the HELM. Absolutely unnecessary.
To give you an idea of the new player experience, my friends and I were playing a new light the other day:
New Light: "How do I turn in a bounty?"
Friend: "Go to the quests tab and just click on it."
NL: "How do I get to quest tab?"
Friend: "Tab."
NL: "I don't see a quest tab."
Me: "Hold tab down instead of tapping it."
NL: "OOOOOH, there it is."
I think the idea is fantastic but I would limit it to a progress line. So you would not be able to launch into a raid from home until you complete it maybe 5 times or something. Hovering over the icon would make you aware of this and tell you where to find the raid until that point. This way there is still a sense of the world building that Destiny has.
counter offer: have a right click on stuff to open a drop menu instead of so many menus on the way
I gotta say, the ideas he has are very good and I love the new layout proposal. I don't know how much of this will ever happen but I love seeing fresh takes on improving the Destiny 2 experience.
Great ideas, but if he's actually a UI designer then he should know that redesign is very crowded. It's certainly better than what's in game now, but he improved on the access to activities not on the cluttered main screen.
I think it’d be even cooler that the first screen you see is the cockpit of your ship, with all the menus built into the screens of your cockpit. The design of cockpit changes also as you change your ship. You see your ghost and it gives random voice prompts on what you can do or just some lore related chitchat. Or if you collected some trinkets from missions you can have it on your dash, with the ghost having related comments like, “we really ought to return that rock to Eris morn”… Also as you change gear/loadout, you also get to see it in the ship. So you see cool effects and armor details. The menu consolidation can still happen, but it’ll be cool to be presented like what I described so the immersion is a lot stronger. We always only see the ship from third person POV, and that kinda sucks. If bungie really wants to charge money for ships, I think it’s not too much to ask for them to create the cockpit too.
I love the idea, we really do need a UI refresh to make it easier to jump into the activity you want
I would add a Catchup page where you get a summary of the most important key events and characters that are relevant to The Light and Darkness Saga.
I started with arrivals and was so dependant on creators explaing how everything in the game works
When I first started destiny 2 a couple years ago, I almost gave up cuz I couldn't figure out where to go, it doesn't walk you along enough. Luckily my friend who lived with me knew the game and helped but even then it was Hella annoying to deal with
Strongly support this idea! As a veteran player I still find it overwhelming to how many pages I work through to get my destination. It also is a large deterrent to new players that don't know anything about the game. Big gripe of mine is access to pre saved builds to quick swap to without the need of (guardian rank up)
To add something, the orbit screen has always been in view of our ship. I feel like it should keep that but in a different pov, in first person itll make more sense to have his idea of the menu overlayed similarly to warframe. if that makes sense lol
Idk much about UI/UX fundamentals but this design has a mobile game vibe
Changes suck when the wrong things are changed. The clutter needs to be removed so new players don't feel overwhelmed, but the UI needs to feel like Destiny. I think the destinations tab should remain, but maybe make a tab meant to guide new players or store bounties. Adding character customization and loadout swap to another screen absolutely does not work. I like the ability to press one button to open my character.
There are quite a few good ideas here, the naming he used generally needs to be scraped and replaced with “Freeroam Locations”, “Activities”, “Character”, etc. but the concepts are good. I definitely have found that the layout of some of the menus is somewhat confusing and elaborate and often find that it’s annoying to swap between the character/collection/triumph screen and the director/quest/friends screen. I think bundling character, vault, lore, and collections to one screen and an updated director/quest/journey/friends/store would be a good overhaul
Imagine playing the DLC content THAT WE PAID FOR, thats apparently locked behind someones flash drive
I just started a few weeks ago. Played D1 back in the day. But coming back the UI drive me nuts! I didn’t know where to look for things, how to find something, there are multiple branches of menus. So many things that aren’t competing for your attention and no idea what matters
My wife has watched me play for years. She decided to give it a go a couple months ago. Immediately it was "where am I supposed to go" and "what am I supposed to do ". Navigating the menus was so confusing to her. I mentioned she's watched me for so long, I'd imagine shed picked up on the screens, but she only noticed when I was killing, and not navigating the screens, cause in her words, "you always go so fast, it's natural to you, but I'm so lost". I felt so bad, and have spent so much time with her, patiently guiding her, and her excitement at ANY accomplishment is awesome, but I know it's because she is confused, and honestly half the time she doesn't really understand what it was she did other than "mission complete". Which is a little heartbreaking.
I was just talking about this with a friend of mine, putting all the dungeons whether you have a key from said expansion, all into a playlist on the director map, and clear the clutter in the helm before you land in the helm.
I think we change the twid or twab info in the top right and set a icon that show the vex strike force event and when its active. Thats really the only rhing i would like to see
The UI in Destiny definitely works in some way to make sure you value your monetisation.
The reason the first screen is the way it is, is because it shows you your eververse ship or your fireteam's eververse ship to confirm or reinforce your purchase (or RNG).
The reason why the tower exists the way it does is so you show off eververse (or raid/dungeon) items to everyone.
It's crazy to see that they are finally adding Vault in the main menu after all these years and after all this community demand. It's a huge win for non DIM users. Now we wait to see if they are going to move bounties there also, but then, the micro-transaction positive reinforcement chamber will no longer be of use and will be relegated to regular activities where it's rare you go above 6players.
Same reasoning for why Store and season pass rank are layed out the way it is. The question now is, how much of it is fundamental to the structure of the game and how much of the UI can be changed without overlapping changes to the whole overarching system?
I've started playing like 6 weeks ago. Never played before. And destiny is, in my opinion, the most noob unfriendly game i have ever played. The menus are absolutely horrible, and nothing is explained. 1 or 2 weeks in was very near to giving up. Simply because of the horrible experience. Not only because of the menus but so much more, no explanations of anything! No guide, nothing!
Only the gameplay just kept me in.
With a little help of a friend, it slowly started to make sense, and now, a month beyond that point.
I am completely hooked on destiny! It's an amazing game once you know what you are doing. I have been gaming for 37 years, and this is by far the most beginner unfriendly game i ever played! But eventually, also one of the best games i ever played!
I think many potentially new players never go beyond 2 weeks and then walk away.
I am glad i didn't!
Bungie needs to try and fix this.
They are shooting themselves in the foot!
14:41 what ghost shell is that?
Phalanx shell I believe, it that’s not it look up “cabal ghost shell”
Dude was spot on when he said the lore is "underserved." I wish the lore wasn't in the back seat, because it's truly amazing.
A lot of great ideas and the interface is clean. Best part is the Lore section. Bungie should pay him and implement his ideas as is.
Les how does hitting esc twice work when you are in the end match screen for PVP? In those cases you need to return to orbit before changing character. You need to put more thought into when people are going to change character.
An Active Lore screen would be incredible. Ive had more than one person I tried (and failed) to introduce to D2 only to have them think that Zavala, for instance, is just some random vendor. :O
This sounds counterintuitive, but a BIG problem for players trying to navigate things for the first time is having the same thing in multiple places. Seasonal Challenges, for example, have three separate ways to access them. You can go from the Journey screen, the quest screen, and the Season screen. If you navigate by *landmarks*, it is harder to learn where things are if your landmark shows up in different ways, in different places. And then, there is also the illogical grouping, where those seasonal challenges land in BOTH branches of the menu. Triumphs, on the other hand, are like quests, but they're not on the same branch as quests, but rather next to your character's equipment and drip, the latter of which you can buy from the Store, which is over with the maps.
I also like the menus being framed as simple questions instead of vague categories. Does Journey mean where you travel to other places? No, that's Destinations, which is not even in that menu branch. By the way, that also isn't the same as the Map tab. That is for the planetary map, rather than the Solar System.
I would love that Home Screen idea except for one thing: I love staring at my ship and my compatriots' ships. Maybe instead of using the existing director's background, have his new UI simply be a transparent overlay over the orbit screen. Or maybe an option to toggle between.
yeah thats an option. I just wanted to use familiar screens and not make it mad crazy different.
This is all you have to do. Add a zoom in and zoom out to the content in the planets. Zooming out will give you a better perspective on what content is on the planet. Once that is implemented add a way to see where real players are at on the map. This will make other players try to play world content, allow other players to play the content with you, similar to lost sectors. Have more animated icons that let the player know “try this in this planet”. Also allow the option to see where your friends are on the planets, have a blinking icon per player. When in a group also have a blinking icon to show where your teammates are on the map.
I am 100% behind a massive UI and menu overhaul but I don't think this is what we need.
Feels more like a PS5 homepage than a game homepage.
I get what he's pitching about the character section. As it stands, we have to go through half a dozen screens to change char/view loadout/change lo/mods/appearance, etc. His vision consolidates everything into one space, which is conveniently located in the home section where we will also have access to our vaults, thankfully. The last thing I want to do is load into half a dozen different pages and THEN have to pick a social space where I can finally go to the vault to get my inventory in check..where I will have to re-enter on the subsequent character before I can even boot up an activity. It's genius. I share the sentiment of it needing more love.
We also could use a larger, and universal post master, for that matter..for the same reason the character/vault interaction needs change.
Destiny 1, i still play and it just fucking slaps. It fucking slaps
Destiny 2, is a fucking nightmare
For the Character Change Screen, i think it would be nice if you were already logged onto one Character, if you could change WITHOUT having to go back to the login screen, and then have another load screen to load into the selected Character, and instead just get a popup when clicking on Change Character that asks you what Character you wish to swap to
Instead of a character menu on the right I think a tracker of what you’ve done in a given timeframe would be nice. Such as daily-weekly-seasonally
This guy brings up such a good point. I know all the screens and how to get around, but there are just so many of them it isn't anything like sensible or convenient. And amidst traversing a dozen screens to get to what I want, I do make misclicks and end up adding to my trip. It must be such a wall to a new person who doesn't know it in the first place.
I LOVE this guy. This is what a good perspective of change looks like. And I’ve been trying to put into words what this game could really do with. This guy did that, flawlessly.
What’s wrong with gambit? I like pvp. But when I want a break from hardcore I do gambit. What are some good suggestions to replace it with?
I'm a long time veteran and this has really started to stand out to me from starting to play warframe and seeing how fast it is to get into content
It's also pretty easy to see less-destiny focused players getting bored in these screens and interacting with things like the helm
Trying to tell my new light friend how to simply mark a quest to track, was one of the hardest experiences I've had in a while. Telling them which tab to shuffle to, and how to navigate there was just tough for no reason.
How hard would it be to have the twab text in game somewhere? I was punished for not reading the twab and over 3,000 Iron Banner tokens were removed from my inventory. At no point in time anywhere IN GAME did it state these would be removed. You had to read the twab to know this was happening.
i'm in a discord server with someone who tried playing D2 for the first time this weekend, no experience with D1, last bungie game was Reach, etc. The experience for them, in trying to figure out anything is a nightmare. They regularly had to use their phone to search up basic functions of the game because there's little in the way of ingame explanation.
I would add a tab for clan/social up top, delete the customize character options (it’s only one click already so adding cursor movement makes this option worse) but keep a small swap character button in the bottom right. Pinned quest information could be shown in the bottom left and the what’s to play/what can i do should basically look like the vanguard, crucible, gambit, and legends icons except I would do vanguard, crucible, planets/locations, and legends: containing all the raids/dungeons. Have them orbit around the traveler and you could add another for seasonal content as well
Overwatch 2 puts their 'patch notes' on a menu selection screen when you push start. They have the whole patch note breakdown readable in game. Really dope.
the new ui changes proposed would be amazing, i've had multiple friends who started destiny and quit before they even reached the tower because of how much shit bungie throws at them right from the start, by the end you have 0 idea what to do
I think it's a good brainstorming idea, but not sure clustering information is any more or less overwhelming for new players. This menu is not any more intuitive than the current system, but it is less screens. I think it's a start
I agree with this 💯 another cool QOL update would be to be able to see what buffs/debuffs you can apply with the current equipped loadout on your character customization screen.
I'd add more to the "Lore Archive" tab. Say, call it the "Forge Lore" tab. And the whole of its contents is every weapon and armor piece that the player has collected, that has Lore tied to it (ex. Ace of Spades or Cromatic Fire). Also each having their respective sub-tabs to indicate specific items and what grade of item (ex. Forge Lore- Weapons- Exotic- Hand Cannons- The Last Word). Then Click on PC, or press Selection Button on Controller, and you will be presented with a fully rendered image of the item you're looking at, and the full passage of the selected item's Lore.
NGL I love how he layed out the home page and I would love to see it implemented.
A “what to do” suggestion tab for story and content makes a lot of sense and something I’ve been saying for years that D2 has needed.
After the new light campaign the next story related content a player is missing is paid DLC, I’m really surprised Bungie doesn’t try to guide a player into the opening mission (that’s been free in recent DLC) as a chance to get the new player to buy the rest of that expansion. And keep guiding them through. Just as suggestions. Not that they can’t access anything else, like the newest expansion campaign first, but that if they wanted an idea of “what next?” After reaching the Tower they have some idea.