To answer your initial question; you’re god damn right it does. Bleach girls are cool, functional, and pretty. Yes it matters. We wanna see aesthetically pleasing characters. Male AND female
I disagree it is not important there are many male characters that aren't attractive that are intresting in different media that people have no problem not complaining about.
@@sugarzblossom8168I mean everyone likes attractive characters male or female, shows like jjk or demon slayer really show that. Not necessarily a need but I’d say it’s fairly important to make all characters somewhat aesthetically pleasing
@moneybrown6011 I would say a good design make would be more important but not everyone minds whether characters are attractive. I would say average characters are okay but people call average female characters ugly but at least average male characters are okay. There gave been some series where the main characters aren't attractive that have done well like the boys, breaking bad, big mouth.
Step 1: Be Tite Kubo. Step 2: Draw attractive women. Step 3: Give your characters depth of emotion, personal goals, and relentless determination. It's not that hard.
@@PrashasyaGautam Kukaku is annoying. Unohana is the GOAT, Jackie is annoying, Hiyori is annoying, Hikifune is boring, Senjamaru only got praise because Kubo had 10 years to think up a bankai for her. Lisa is okay? No real personality. Hallibel is great, but never used properly. Yoruichi is overrated. Roxanne from Harem in a Labyrinth > Everyone in Bleach except Nel
The best recent examples of strong women in Bleach were Nanao and Nemu assisting in and saving their respective captains in their fights. Nemu: The often silent and stoic Lieutenant who listens to Maiyuri like a dog, finally gains her own Autonomy. Paying attention to Maiyuri’s slip ups and making a game play to save him.Say what you will of how Maiyuri treated Nemu but their relationship is like Aliens they were never meant for a standard human understanding of parent and child bonds. As Nemu is Maiyuri’s child and has been growing whether obvious or not. Maiyuri knew she still had more to grow and to evolve, which makes her sacrifice all the more tragic. Maiyuri wanted her to listen but her defiance is gave them the opportunity to win, in the end it was still Nemu’s own choice not one from another. If short, she finally left her nest. And Nanao whose defining trait is her tenacity. Unlike Nemu, or even Rukia, or Yoruichi, She does not have the strength to back up physically. She’s never been hurt in battle or held a sword, it’s not in her rwepitware, and up against a godly foe she’s downright terrified. But she came back to fight anyway, her loyalty to Shunsui is what kept him going too. Swiss cheese body and all to stand behind her and helping one last time, together. It’s symbiotic. She’s not flashy as other women but still a key player in her own way and I respect that. The thing I like about Bleach women is the diversity of character personality. I don’t like how shonen fans think to be a “good” character they have to be physically strong and a fighter, completely disregarding the fact you need a personality and personal traits to be unique in your own ways. And being comfortable and true in those traits and personal beliefs is what makes a good cast. I like Bleach women not because they’re physically strong, but just because they just act like women. Different traits for every one and that’s cool.
The thing I don't understand is that Bleach has strong female characters those people are looking for but they still complain about the female cast, reducing it to Orihime (which is not even a bad female character) XD
@@pandax9949 Orihime is an actual three-dimensional character, it blows my mind people think she's not a great character. I love her, I think she's fantastic and I'm really looking forward to her big moment with Ichigo later in the next cour.
i think orihime is actually a great character for teenage girls. she has a lot of relatable qualities that i personally saw myself in while watching Bleach for the first time. a lot of the hate she gets is unjustified too. she just saw the love of her life get killed by ulquiorra, wouldn't you be in distress? i certainly would. this is coming from someone who's a diehard rukia fan (she's my favorite character of all time), and yet i can still see the absolute beauty that is orihime.
As a girl I can't help but express how much bleach female characters mean to me, even the characters people hate like orihime or momo mean so much to me, I never hated them, not even once I only ever saw them as people suffering from things similar as most girls, like momo suffering from the aftermath of aizen's betrayal, as much as I love him I can never forgive what happened to momo, poor girl's entirely world was ripped apart after it, she almost lost her will to live makes sense when you idolize someone for as long and go as far for them as she did, people dislike her for not locking in like "oh my beloved captain who made me had the worst breakdown with his death, hurt people, nearly made me lost my job as a shinigami which I loved and excelled at because of him and also made me k-word the person closest to me (toshiro) was a traitor all this time? Welp let's defeat him and call it a day" like, that just doesn't happen so easily, it never happens so easily, so seeing a sorta realistic portrayal being hurt by someone so close, where you deluded yourself to not accepting the truth about said person, is unfortunately relatable to me and others and orihime is just such a sweetie, she encourages me to stay kind no matter what life throws at me, she's so kind and considerate, she didn't get mad at the kurosaki family when her brother passed away at their clinic, (which Ichigo had a doubt she was in the start) she wants to help everyone but she lacks confidence for it, she doesn't want to get in the middle of things and disturb everyone, because she doesn't want to lose anyone and be lonely like she was when her brother first died, orihime is a realistic portrayal of a teen girl who experienced lose but still willingly to make the best of everyday and for everyone, and rukia, don't get me started on rukia, she's such a girls girl towards hime and an amazing wingman towards ichihime, one of my favorite thing about her was how she coped with the lost of lieutenant who was basically a father figure towards her (kaien Shiba) and how she was inspired to be like his wife, like a younger sister looking up to an older one, and her infatuation with cute things which every sanrio girlie can relate to, but she hides it because she wanna appear mature, responsible and not "kid-ish" , the point is rukia just genuinely feels like a real girl I would meet in real life, which is the reason why so many her aspiration, inspiration and struggles are very realistic and I'm glad she's one of the main character's of the show And of course then there's the divas like yoruichi , who was basically a mentor towards ichigo (the protagonist that's a big deal) for some time, it's so refreshing seeing a woman who's naturally confident in her skills without having to bring anyone down to show it, one of my fav things about her (not to mention she's also a dark skinned girl so there's bonus for good and natural rep) and the fact that kubo created soi fon and her relationship with the idea that they aren't many female mentor-mentee duos in shounen mangas, shows that this man knows what he's doing and cares about it The thing I really love about bleach girls is that they are great characters who don't deny their femininity to become strong, like a lot of (mostly male sometimes but women too) writers do to write a "strong/good" female characters is to strip them out of their traditional feminity, or to make them a "badass" female character, they just make everyone around them weak or an asshole (especially men) kubo avoids this Hassle by creating female characters who are character first, female second, For example, you register their pain and success from the screen first, before registering they are girls second Bleach girls are amazing while being cute, funny, hot, they don't deny their love interests or the men they value around them, Obviously bleach is not a 100% perfect series and it has its flaws like everything else, but I feel like people downfall a lot of girls, for the reason I mentioned earlier, there's more then one way of being good character who's female, a lot of people don't accept it till it's a certain way Tite Kubo is THE GOAT for his writing and you are for making this banger video :)!
@@Benihimeneko Thank you so much! I’ve heard people on both sides after making this video but reading your thoughtful comment really made this all worthwhile.
I think presently, the best written female characters in anime are from Frieren: Beyond Journey's End. Having a work that's more character focused than the vast majority of Shounen manga certainly helps, but that the character writing is so consistently high quality really puts Frieren up there in the zenith of the industry. However, I do think Kubo certainly deserves praise for developing strong dynamics between his characters, the women included. Just looking at the current cour of the TYBW, we saw two well-composed and quite neatly written vignettes with both Nemu & Nanao in succession. Both dealing with their complicated relationship with their father-figures amidst a life-or-death fight while being pretty contrasting in terms of characterization, tone, and themes. That's a display that's sadly rare in Shounen.
Since you like Sonic clearly, great choice of music by the way, having mentioned the variance in femininity makes me consider how Amy Rose and Rouge the Bat are both very feminine characters despite being vastly different characters. Amy I would argue is motivated by her feminine desires whereas Rouge uses her femininity to get what she wants.
diversity has always been one of Kubo's greatest strengths as a writer. on a side note I often find partial subversions more useful then full ones. seeing how each individual character chooses to adopt or reject various aspects of different tropes and Archetypes goes along way to making a story feel truly alive.
the fact that you appreciate orihimes girly personality and kinda happy and even if she needs help and not a fighter makes me love your channel and your intelligence as a critic even more
I adore orihime and genuinely always have, she is such an amazing example of a kind hearted and strong willed person despite her genuinely tragic history. She's just a gorgeous person.
This! I was annoyed by the Kurosaki-kun's in the anime. But in the manga, in those same scenes, Orihime wears expression of such visceral terror that it makes people want to jump through the pages, pull her out and give her a great big hug. Kubo knew how to draw out emotions from us readers
As a woman who loves Bleach I personally think this series has a lot of well written women. There are a lot of women that I can relate to/look up to which is one draw I have to the series. Orihime's character makes a lot of sense given her history and age. She does grow over time and gain some independence in a logical way. Personally I love Rangiku and Nanao. Rangiku is a lot tougher and smarter than she seems. She knows how others view her and uses to her advantage. Nanao is very focused and grows as well throughout the series.
@TheGuzeinbuick So I can't speak for everyone but I am also on the bustier side so it doesn't bother me. I do get how media in general can affect how someone feels about their body but that is an industry issue. There is actually a decent range of body types even if certain ones stick out more. Some of the gags around it can be a bit insulting but in comparison to other anime it's pretty limited (mostly Keigo and Kon). Women being intelligent and multifaceted in the series far outweighs the trope end of this anime
As a female I didn't care at all about the breast size in Bleach. In fact, I like when breasts are drawn beautifully and that was the case with Bleach so it didn't strike me as disturbing or distateful. I also enjoyed the character writing. @@TheGuzeinbuick
@@Linkfan123 Thanks for sharing. I always assumed as long as the character didn't look like a victim ("oh no, the buttons on my top popped open, kyaaa~~!") then it was all good. But yeah some of the more fanservicey jokes with Rangiku were a bit cringe now that I think of it.
@@pandax9949 Appreciate the input! Yeah I guess a lot of it depends on how the writer/author is depicting the scene. The actual appearance of the female characters doesn't seem to matter as much as the way they're presented.
Yeah, I don't get why people seem to hate her so much. I don't get how people think she's useless while characters like Chad and Renji can be written out of the story without anything changing. I understand that her ability is visually unimpressive, she looks like she's doing nothing while healing people, but saying that she's useless is just laughably wrong.
The criticism I have for the women Kibo designed are the size of their chests. Any woman with a huge chest will tell you it' s painful for your back, you won't find dresses that fit and people running into and bouncing off them hurts. It's why I adore his designs for Yoruichi and Rukia so much
Imagine being annoyed by a 15 year old orphaned girl breaking down and calling out to her crush after literally seeing his lifeless body get dropped to the ground by a nihilistic demona whose sole aim was to break her mentally! Some people's level of comprehension is baffling to say the least.
Orihime is a great character, especially in the manga. This whole "you need to be a strong fighter" mindset for what makes a good character only exsists in shonen anime communities. Its a 12 y/o boy mentality.
As much as I like the bleach girls I think Gintama has the stronger female cast. Kagura, Otae, Sa-chan, Tsukiyo, Tama, Kyubi and even the land lady are all great character. They each have their own distinct personality, backstory, fighting style and purpose in the story. No one is left behind or underutilised and all the girls are memorable even the minor ones.
I feel like bleach's female cast are very similar but the only difference is they're too many for them to have their own screen time to intrigue the audience, but Kubo's subtlety in writing makes him a master at executing this. The little screen time they get especially in their battles isn't very context heavy on who they are or what they strive for, but the symbolism they portray in that moment as women.
I think there's a tendency for combat ability to be used as the primary metric for determining the value or quality of a given character. I mean look at how people used to disregard Unohana for the majority of the series until the Kenpachi reveal
Rangiku owning her body also has a darker side to it. Depending on how far you want to say the scenario went when Aizens henchmen took the soul king fragment from her, lighter version or darker version, her body was violated. People who feel they lost control of their body in traumatic ways usually try to take ownership of their body in one way or another to compensate. It's probably another reason why she tends to drink so heavily when the opportunity arrives aside from being heart broken by Gin.
Rukia is my favorite female character in Bleach, but I love Orihime a lot, I consider her the second best female character in the show and Yoruichi in third place.💖💖💖👑👑👑
Bleach has some very amazing female characters and it’s not hard to see why and it’s also not hard to see where Yuki tabata got influenced to make his female character in black clover. Also do you think you can do another video like this but about the female characters in naruto and if kishimoto write them as good as oda or kubo or many others?
There’s a lot of great female characters in Naruto like Tsunade, Sakura, Kushina, Chiyo, Konan and Temari. The community just shits on the cast without even objectively thinking about it cus that’s just the cool thing to do now.
I feel like the biggest reasons why Orihime is hated despite her incredible character are; A: the removal of many of her scenes and even part of her backstory in the anime, as well as how the anime staff tried to make her more annoying at times (Kurosaki-kun~) to slot in Rukia as the love interest. This leaves a layer of her character behind in the manga. and B: The fact that Kubo doesn't often write out what someone's emotions are or go out of his way to point out the depth of his characters. He leaves subtext or visuals behind to do that for him and in the battle Shonen scene a lot of readers/watchers are used to or expecting to be given all the facts at a fairly surface level. So when that information isn't eagerly handed out then it might as well not be there for many, or they won't know to look for it.
Here's my 2 cents, when intaracting with anyone, fictional characters included, incite into their background usually depicts where their behaviors stem from which is something not often observed in real life by close friends to acquaintances, then when it comes to fictional character, people often follow the momentum of what's going on in the scenario and barely pay attention to the characterization of the participating characters in the ongoing scene hence we have poeple jumping to conclusions based on their personal perspectives... And that ladies and gentlemen is a common social survival traits that often overlaps into fiction meant to inspire you to be better than your situation or simply entertain and/or sometimes educate/inform you! Most characters in fiction are written well and personal perspective usually inspires your judgement on where it's good or not... The more social incite you have, the more you'll appreciate other's experiences and development same applies with limited incite stemming from limiting your own social exposure... Take in more than just your personal personal perspective and you'll enjoy a bigger, more beautiful and experience rich world, fictional or otherwise!
I don’t think there has been no bad written female character in bleach and that’s super rare and it goes to show you not only how talented Kubo is as a artist but as a writer as well. He really will go down as one of the best mangaka of our era
Happy New year. Thanks for this. Very indulgent, but I'd love to hear your take on _Miranda Lotto_ (the woman who lost the lottery of life), as a direct counterpart to _Orihime._ They have very comparable powers, with one very significant and tragic difference, that does alter how they effect the plots. TLDR: most people problem with _Rejection_ comes from not understanding that its limits come from the whole power-system, not from the ability itself, so it make perfect sense that Orihime would struggle to heal wounds caused by someone who's not yet defeated, or fail to erase anyone/thing that outweighs her energy. It is still true though that there are times where the only reason to not make use of Orihime is plot convenience, or character agency. _Revo-Dial_ has a phenomenal introduction, showcasing it's amazing potency and ability to completely change the course of battles, but also showing the inherent tragedy, that its cost and restriction is it's inherent function. There can never be a significant reason not use _Revo-Dial,_ it will never devalue any stakes, but that it itself is a burden on Miranda, especially as she's the only exorcist that has zero combat power. That the 1st time we are confronted with the true cost, we also realise that we're watching one of the best possible outcomes of using it.
Well they are one of thebest, up there with Gundam. But to me the best written female character is Balsa from Moribito, she is strong without showing physical strength, she is knows her limits and she doesnt deny she is a woman.
Like definently not in anime period but I would have them as debatably the best female battle shounen cast, there's a couple others I like more (Not including the one's where females make up the majority of the cast) but their leagues better than nearly all other popular ones.
I know im 13 days late But could you try to read Cat's Eye (1981) - 135 chapters City Hunter (1985) - 191 chapters Angel Heart (2001) - 448 chapters Hojo Tsukasa has other mangas also, like Family Compo, but being a female characters video. The mangas i put here have great female characters, the Kisugi sisters (Cat's Eye), Kaori and Miki (City Hunter), Shion (Angel Heart)
I feel like people often tend to hate the healer damsels in distress. They are often non-combatant and display a jarring amount of feminine traits for a Shonen manga. People often say that female characters never do anything but look pretty...in a manga written for the entertainment of young boys. But often times, the issue is more that the Main Character and the Main Rival power scale MUCH harder than anyone else in the show.
Sorry every female in Bleach is just a troupe character has barely any depth and doesn't hold a candle to Kagura Sango Kagome or Kikyo you know why because they have their own character Bleach females are just used for fanservice or dumb gags just proof that shonen jump authors can write the biggest failures who are basically useless and don't do anything to beat Aizen with Inuyasha every single member of the main characters get a chance to shine and Naraku couldn't have been defeated without Kagome
best anime who write women imo bleach (orihime, rukia, yoruichi, rangiku) chainsaw man (reze my beloved) eva (asuka misato) black clover (to some extent) berserk (farnese is one my faves oat)
I feel like the bleach female cast is slightly overrated by the community. I love bleach and idk how to put it other than “they don’t feel like actual people they feel like 2 dimensional characters” I think shonens like fairy tail and one piece to a better job at elaborating on some of the female characters qualities, motivations and importance
@ don’t get me wrong, bleach has some of my favorite female characters in shonen. For example Rukia, Inoue & Soi Fon but the large majority of them just feel plain to me. Like the bare minimum for a character much less a female character like Unohana, Rangiku, Nelliel, Yoruichi etc. I just don’t feel emotionally connected to them at all and they have little impact on the overall plot in my opinion
Man, my friend who recently started bleach hates orihime so much. Sadly, I can't suggest him this video because he hasn't caught up to TYBW yet, and its gonna take a long time
For my own hobby writing, i tend to take a mixture of Final Fantasy logic and Dungeons & Dragons logic. I take roughly 7 characters and split their importance equally, with the main character being a minor McGuffin. It's not that the MC power scales harder than the other 6 characters, there is just something unique about them that makes them "the key" to solving the plot. Each of the 7 characters has their own specialties and moments to shine and i avoid using any of these 7 characters for the Warf Effect. I know that this comment isn't exactly about making strong female characters, but i feel like Shonen anime like Bleach and Naruto have a weakness that people pick up on and leads them to hate the members of the Hero's party that should otherwise be likable, including the female characters.
Tatsuki could've been great. She have fun dynamic between Ichigo and Orihime. Kinda weird she didnt get into the main cast. Orihime and Chad get their power because of Ichigo's reaitsu. She knew Ichigo the longest, yet get jack shit.
I've long since said Bleach's women are the best in manga. Not just attractive but completely capable of holding their own and not wanting to lust after Ichigo. They're strong and powerful goofballs who are formidable fighters.
Personally I feel like Black Clover might excel with Bleach‘s woman a bit. But when it comes to the woman of Bleach, the heroines fight out of genuine loyalty or love for their families.
@@Atticus-Catnipp i think bleach women have better presented dynamic with the cast than bc, like orihime's dynamic with ulquiorra is my fave of the series and rukia's with ichigo or unohana's with zaraki, it feels more personal
hey i can read and Renji is still an undeserving flaky bum in the manga, and Orihime while a great character in the manga is still to much of a passive pushover in terms of personality for it to seem like Ichigo would feel i don't know "fulfilled" in their relationship. Tatsuki or Rukia would probably have to be there to coach/force them to consummate their relationship just to end up with Kazui with how Ichigo and Orihime act. plus it always bugged me the way Orihime looked at Masked ichigo with fear, and Ulquiorra with pity and understanding... Rukia never lacked confidence in him, she never looked at him like he was gonna hit her.....
THANK YOU. So many people think that a goodly written female character is one who is strong and can defend themselves. Its the most annoying thing ever. Using thise peoples logic goku and every horrible STRAIGHT TRASH written but very strong character is actually goodly written. Ive been defending Naruto women for so long but people are idiots. They only see power= writing when it doesn't. It still sucks that people focus on the Naruto wonen getting saved and viewing it as there whole character. Like Sakura, Hinata, chyo, Tsunade, temari are good written female characters.
You can also add Kushina to the list of well written female characters. Sadly tho most of the anime community is brain dead and just parrot whatever the consensus is without thinking for themselves.
@@MrBrown-q7p fr. People act like Naruto has the worst women in fiction. I literally seen people call kishimoto a misogynist, sexist, say that he hate women or see them as just healers. But they are the ones who actually see the women in the shows as useless and only healers, then they try to say he's bad at writing women because in 2004 he said he couldn't write female Characters, which is braindead because that was over 20 years ago, and If you compare the writing of Sakura in og and Shippuden you can see there's a very very clear difference. But then again, most of the hate Naruto gets is from braindead people who need everything spoonfed to them and they need stuff like Dragonball and one piece, they like there anime simple, no depth, and spoonfed to them. It due to people being braindead and wanting simple stuff, that it leads to people who have watched Naruto in years or never watched Naruto at all. To just hate on the show and say this and that is retcon and plot holes(despite the fact Naruto only has 5 plot holes and 2 retcon's) which is still impressive since Naruto has 700 chapters.
Basically this show is watched mostly by teenagers and menchildren that didn't mature, and on their heads girls being different than boys is a concept that they haven't dealt with yet. They still act on the principle that anything girly is lame, and therefore Orihime is lame. They don't consider the idea that Orihime is literally a normal human and not a century old warrior that was trained to kill and protect, though she gains those abilities eventually.
@@revenantronin8377 Cool. Karin isn't Orihime. Hell, Karin from Naruto is better written that Sakura. Orihime literally brought an arrancar back to life that Yammy killed. She has Tsubaki to fight, along with the other parts of her fullbring. Where's the training? She's still cowering away, only to have a couple instances. Her character has no growth. Nel yelled at her to cheer for Ichigo because she was somehow too scared to? Sure, she's kind hearted and adorable. She has some good moments with Ichigo. She's not a bad character like Sakura. But you can literally give Roxanne from Harem in a Labyrinth Orihime's fullbring powers, get rid of the ears (and the ecchi), and she becomes a better Orihime than Orihime is. Orihime is supposed to be Ichigo's shield. And she just sits back and sometimes does something. Like Ulquiorra said, "if you're trying to protect him, why didn't you put up your shield the first time?" Orihime does nothing but hesitate. If she got better over time, I wouldn't care. I love Orihime. But if I can replace her with another character from a different series, and make the story overall better, then there's a problem.
Would people say the same about the men though? Most of the characters men and women in the series are very attractive, but no one would ever say that about Grimmjow or Ukitake or Haschwalth
@iluvmybleach Grimmjow gets a pass because he's him and is probably Ichigo's best rival in the series but Ukitake genuinely has no character moments outside him sacrificing himself for Mimihagi and Haschwalth genuinely sucked up till his flashback with Bazz and even then I'd say it's just moreso a reason for Bazz to be mad at him and Yhwach
@@iluvmybleach You gotta be new here lol. You should have been there when Bleach was releasing weekly and every girl ever was oogling Grimmjow & Byakuya 💀💀
@Townzie xnah I been here the whole time, 13yo me had shirtless posters of the boys on my walls 😂. I know girls used to drool over the boys cause I was one, I'm saying alongside the oogling the men still get praised for their traits and parts in the series no matter how small. The girls could do similar feats, or contribute as much as the attractive men but people will still claim those same women are only here for fanservice. Its fanservice AND plot for both males and females in Bleach.
Honestly the only thing you need for a female character to be "interesting" is to make her pretty. Most female characters in western media have always been badly written but they became popular because of their looks. When ever I watch a video about how western media is makings female characters ugly they always say "she isn't interesting if she isn't beautiful". To me if all she has going for her is her appearance, she's a garbage character. Im not saying it's okay to make female characters ugly. Im an artist and I make both male and female characters attractive. But I think when writing a character you shouldn't care about their looks unless it directly ties to their story. Like being a lizard person or something.
Hate the title, but I like the vibe. I think the main reason folks believe anime may write better characters is mainly that anime is mostly made by creators from a homogeneous society. In the Western world you have a belief system that is born of the Abrahamic faith which has a monopoly of how the genders should act, _according to them._ That and it does kind of suck when all the female characters are rarely the badass ones. I kind of fell off of anime from how boring the female characters were, it just annoyed me. Now I'm not a hater of anime, just the opposite, but as I get older more distance seems to occur. Plus the male characters generally get to do all the cool stuff, it's the same in American comics. Superman & Batman come up with all the plans and the ladies just do something cool every once in a while. I don't know what the balance is, but... as the world goes forward creators are getting better at making more dynamic female characters. _Sometimes_ they overdo it, but that's to be expected because there's so much there you can mess up on. Lastly, when I finally get into an anime, the female characters tend to drop off, like the male characters become so powerful you wonder why the women are even there sometimes. I think *power* is a thing and sometimes what the character can actually do helps. It does bother me that creators feel the need to flaw their women up, otherwise folks won't _believe_ they make sense. Anyways, good video! I totally clicked on this expecting something else entirely, glad I was wrong.
Naruto also has bad female characters it's not rocket science these authors just write women to be idiots that swoon over men for no reason or to be op like yourichi no real thought put into them Mikoto Misaka and Kuroko hell any female from Railgun has got more depth then Bleach females
@@axelwinchester4220Yoruichi isn't "just OP", she has her own ideals and motives in life, and you could even say someone she admires dearly to the point where she also exiled herself from her clan. She's that kind of princess that doesn't let people dictate her life but does what she wants when she needs to, not some meathead like mirko in mha who just likes fighting and getting stronger....
While I agree that Bleach does their female characters justice, I definitely wouldn't claim they are "the best." Series like Gintama, FMAB, Chainsaw Man, One Piece, Claymore, and a couple others I'm sure I'm forgetting do their female casts much better.
If we're not just talking about Shounen, there are also these series: Monogatari Series, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Kaguya Sama, Aria the Animation, Re:Zero, Frieren, Hibike, Kara no Kyoukai, Haibane Renmei & ...
Bleach female characters are cool but to call them the best in anime is a stretch bc imo they're not even the best in the big 3, it's one piece. I like characters like Rukia and yoruichi but most bleach female characters don't have much depth, personal goals, great backstories, emotional moments, or significance to the plot as much as one piece women do.
While Bleach has one of the best depictions of women in media,I think Hideaki Sorachi and Gintama have the best representation and it can be summed up in a quote by the main character “Even women fart and poop”.
ppl devalue traditionally feminine characters like orihime bc they aren't like their male counterparts. The males are usually the main ones who fight, and while there are female characters who fight, having all of them fight would be a narrow minded decisions. Part of Orihimes arc is about her place among the chaos of battles that happen throughout the seires. Thanks to others and a lot of self-reflection, she is able to realize her purpose. She isn't a fighter. She is a defender and healer. The shield to ichigos sword. Orihime, by the end of the series, is not only OP af going up against Yuwach but also is still being true to who she is. She gets unnecessary hate for a character that actually meets all the requirements for the arbitrary reasons shounentards need to enjoy female characters. ESPECIALLY the fact that she is traditionally feminine, which is sorely lacking these days, at least in american media.
Bleach women are powerful,funny ,have different motivations and diverse story telling especially when you add in the factor of how soul society is culturally
this has nothing to do with bleach characters, BUT erza from fairy tail is definitely a feminine character. as a matter of fact that was a whole thing. she is quite feminine. she's just also a warrior.
They're hot. Its not that hard to figure out. Female characters live and die by their looks. There is a BIG reason why Orihime and Rangiku are sl popular, bro. Less than perfect look women are always an antagonist or an outright villain to the main hot female lead. There are far better ones than Bleach. Like with Ghost in the Shell or Full Metal Alchemist or Black Lagoon. As for my favorite ones, Integra from Hellsing and Balaika from Black Lagoon are top tier.
@ShonenOuji she is great character with no tropy fan service and had a respectful relation with the MC Ichigo and having multiple character arcs and development. She is my favorite character in Bleach.
Orihime gets hate because she wasn't very well-written in the Hueco Mundo arc. Plus the female member of the party being the healer is a tired cliche. Matsumoto also had a few too many fanservice moments disguised as lame "jokes." Besides that though, I'd say Kubo knocked the female characters out of the park. There is the fact that 90% of them are given megatitties, but what do you want, it's anime.
@@truthspreader1996 It is true that if Orihime didn't have huge "cupcakes" she'd probably be just as hated as Sakura. The bigger problem imo is that anime fans spend their time "hating" a fictional character instead of having a problem with the writer. This is a little offtopic but it always rubbed me the wrong way how "Kurenai tried to use genjutsu on Itachi" thing became a meme, but instead of criticising Kishimoto for his inconsistency instead the fanbase decided to put the "blame" on Kurenai... a ficitonal character... that doesn't exist.
The women of Bleach are underappreciated and wish they had more time to shine in arcs from time to time
You saw TYBW season 3 finale? Yoruichi is to the cake!!!
@cris305bleach Of course my guy and Yoruichi looked fabulous
To answer your initial question; you’re god damn right it does.
Bleach girls are cool, functional, and pretty. Yes it matters. We wanna see aesthetically pleasing characters. Male AND female
@@TimBow-r6h not needed for both genders in story
I disagree it is not important there are many male characters that aren't attractive that are intresting in different media that people have no problem not complaining about.
@@sugarzblossom8168I mean everyone likes attractive characters male or female, shows like jjk or demon slayer really show that. Not necessarily a need but I’d say it’s fairly important to make all characters somewhat aesthetically pleasing
@moneybrown6011 I would say a good design make would be more important but not everyone minds whether characters are attractive. I would say average characters are okay but people call average female characters ugly but at least average male characters are okay.
There gave been some series where the main characters aren't attractive that have done well like the boys, breaking bad, big mouth.
Step 1: Be Tite Kubo.
Step 2: Draw attractive women.
Step 3: Give your characters depth of emotion, personal goals, and relentless determination.
It's not that hard.
Everyone agree that statement
Yuki tabata! The creator of black clover!
You just have to follow the three steps.
Me:IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE!!
Dude, I can't even manage step one!
Step 3 is the most important
People who are angry at bleach woman are the same people who think that all women need to be strong independent and toxic.
Bruh that’s literally modern dating and modern women a lot of women are propagated to believe women being anti men or a-men are strong and a boss b
@@PrashasyaGautam exactly. And they all are still very feminine and beautiful.
Bingo.
@@PrashasyaGautam Kukaku is annoying. Unohana is the GOAT, Jackie is annoying, Hiyori is annoying, Hikifune is boring, Senjamaru only got praise because Kubo had 10 years to think up a bankai for her. Lisa is okay? No real personality. Hallibel is great, but never used properly. Yoruichi is overrated.
Roxanne from Harem in a Labyrinth > Everyone in Bleach except Nel
If she doesn't hate men, use custom pronouns, or have a "unique" hairstyle, that isn't a strong female.
The best recent examples of strong women in Bleach were Nanao and Nemu assisting in and saving their respective captains in their fights.
Nemu: The often silent and stoic Lieutenant who listens to Maiyuri like a dog, finally gains her own Autonomy. Paying attention to Maiyuri’s slip ups and making a game play to save him.Say what you will of how Maiyuri treated Nemu but their relationship is like Aliens they were never meant for a standard human understanding of parent and child bonds. As Nemu is Maiyuri’s child and has been growing whether obvious or not. Maiyuri knew she still had more to grow and to evolve, which makes her sacrifice all the more tragic. Maiyuri wanted her to listen but her defiance is gave them the opportunity to win, in the end it was still Nemu’s own choice not one from another. If short, she finally left her nest.
And Nanao whose defining trait is her tenacity. Unlike Nemu, or even Rukia, or Yoruichi, She does not have the strength to back up physically. She’s never been hurt in battle or held a sword, it’s not in her rwepitware, and up against a godly foe she’s downright terrified. But she came back to fight anyway, her loyalty to Shunsui is what kept him going too. Swiss cheese body and all to stand behind her and helping one last time, together. It’s symbiotic. She’s not flashy as other women but still a key player in her own way and I respect that.
The thing I like about Bleach women is the diversity of character personality. I don’t like how shonen fans think to be a “good” character they have to be physically strong and a fighter, completely disregarding the fact you need a personality and personal traits to be unique in your own ways. And being comfortable and true in those traits and personal beliefs is what makes a good cast. I like Bleach women not because they’re physically strong, but just because they just act like women. Different traits for every one and that’s cool.
Very well put my friend
The thing I don't understand is that Bleach has strong female characters those people are looking for but they still complain about the female cast, reducing it to Orihime (which is not even a bad female character) XD
@@pandax9949 Orihime is an actual three-dimensional character, it blows my mind people think she's not a great character. I love her, I think she's fantastic and I'm really looking forward to her big moment with Ichigo later in the next cour.
@@anibal5845 Yeah I am very confused by the amount of hate this character can get, I've always liked her, I find her sweet and funny.
Hell nah 💀
They both mid af
i think orihime is actually a great character for teenage girls. she has a lot of relatable qualities that i personally saw myself in while watching Bleach for the first time. a lot of the hate she gets is unjustified too. she just saw the love of her life get killed by ulquiorra, wouldn't you be in distress? i certainly would.
this is coming from someone who's a diehard rukia fan (she's my favorite character of all time), and yet i can still see the absolute beauty that is orihime.
Nah Orihime lost any self respect in Thousand Year Blood War when she dressed like a prostitute proof Kubo is a prev
agree
As a girl I can't help but express how much bleach female characters mean to me, even the characters people hate like orihime or momo mean so much to me, I never hated them, not even once I only ever saw them as people suffering from things similar as most girls, like momo suffering from the aftermath of aizen's betrayal, as much as I love him I can never forgive what happened to momo, poor girl's entirely world was ripped apart after it, she almost lost her will to live makes sense when you idolize someone for as long and go as far for them as she did, people dislike her for not locking in like "oh my beloved captain who made me had the worst breakdown with his death, hurt people, nearly made me lost my job as a shinigami which I loved and excelled at because of him and also made me k-word the person closest to me (toshiro) was a traitor all this time? Welp let's defeat him and call it a day" like, that just doesn't happen so easily, it never happens so easily, so seeing a sorta realistic portrayal being hurt by someone so close, where you deluded yourself to not accepting the truth about said person, is unfortunately relatable to me and others
and orihime is just such a sweetie, she encourages me to stay kind no matter what life throws at me, she's so kind and considerate, she didn't get mad at the kurosaki family when her brother passed away at their clinic, (which Ichigo had a doubt she was in the start) she wants to help everyone but she lacks confidence for it, she doesn't want to get in the middle of things and disturb everyone, because she doesn't want to lose anyone and be lonely like she was when her brother first died, orihime is a realistic portrayal of a teen girl who experienced lose but still willingly to make the best of everyday and for everyone,
and rukia, don't get me started on rukia, she's such a girls girl towards hime and an amazing wingman towards ichihime, one of my favorite thing about her was how she coped with the lost of lieutenant who was basically a father figure towards her (kaien Shiba) and how she was inspired to be like his wife, like a younger sister looking up to an older one, and her infatuation with cute things which every sanrio girlie can relate to, but she hides it because she wanna appear mature, responsible and not "kid-ish" , the point is rukia just genuinely feels like a real girl I would meet in real life, which is the reason why so many her aspiration, inspiration and struggles are very realistic and I'm glad she's one of the main character's of the show
And of course then there's the divas like yoruichi , who was basically a mentor towards ichigo (the protagonist that's a big deal) for some time, it's so refreshing seeing a woman who's naturally confident in her skills without having to bring anyone down to show it, one of my fav things about her (not to mention she's also a dark skinned girl so there's bonus for good and natural rep) and the fact that kubo created soi fon and her relationship with the idea that they aren't many female mentor-mentee duos in shounen mangas, shows that this man knows what he's doing and cares about it
The thing I really love about bleach girls is that they are great characters who don't deny their femininity to become strong, like a lot of (mostly male sometimes but women too) writers do to write a "strong/good" female characters is to strip them out of their traditional feminity, or to make them a "badass" female character, they just make everyone around them weak or an asshole (especially men)
kubo avoids this Hassle by creating female characters who are character first, female second,
For example, you register their pain and success from the screen first, before registering they are girls second
Bleach girls are amazing while being cute, funny, hot, they don't deny their love interests or the men they value around them,
Obviously bleach is not a 100% perfect series and it has its flaws like everything else, but I feel like people downfall a lot of girls, for the reason I mentioned earlier, there's more then one way of being good character who's female, a lot of people don't accept it till it's a certain way
Tite Kubo is THE GOAT for his writing and you are for making this banger video :)!
@@Benihimeneko Thank you so much! I’ve heard people on both sides after making this video but reading your thoughtful comment really made this all worthwhile.
I think presently, the best written female characters in anime are from Frieren: Beyond Journey's End. Having a work that's more character focused than the vast majority of Shounen manga certainly helps, but that the character writing is so consistently high quality really puts Frieren up there in the zenith of the industry. However, I do think Kubo certainly deserves praise for developing strong dynamics between his characters, the women included.
Just looking at the current cour of the TYBW, we saw two well-composed and quite neatly written vignettes with both Nemu & Nanao in succession. Both dealing with their complicated relationship with their father-figures amidst a life-or-death fight while being pretty contrasting in terms of characterization, tone, and themes. That's a display that's sadly rare in Shounen.
True. Frieren is definitely up there. The character writing is brilliant.
csm does too imo although being battle shonen, asa being a teenage autistic and seeing her deal with her overflowing emotions is so wonderful
@@bravodawgcsm female writing is so good it makes them feel more real
@@LilShiro05 yeah, I am a man and somehow I can relate like dayumm 😭😭😂
Im just here to show love to Orihime
we always here for the Orihime love.
Orihime gang
Orihime gang rise up🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Since you like Sonic clearly, great choice of music by the way, having mentioned the variance in femininity makes me consider how Amy Rose and Rouge the Bat are both very feminine characters despite being vastly different characters. Amy I would argue is motivated by her feminine desires whereas Rouge uses her femininity to get what she wants.
great analysis bleach has the best female cast in anime
diversity has always been one of Kubo's greatest strengths as a writer. on a side note I often find partial subversions more useful then full ones. seeing how each individual character chooses to adopt or reject various aspects of different tropes and Archetypes goes along way to making a story feel truly alive.
the fact that you appreciate orihimes girly personality and kinda happy and even if she needs help and not a fighter makes me love your channel and your intelligence as a critic even more
I adore orihime and genuinely always have, she is such an amazing example of a kind hearted and strong willed person despite her genuinely tragic history. She's just a gorgeous person.
Some of the hate Orihime gets is cuz of the og anime adaptation- they added way more "Kurosaki-kun"s than in the manga and cut out important scenes
This!
I was annoyed by the Kurosaki-kun's in the anime.
But in the manga, in those same scenes, Orihime wears expression of such visceral terror that it makes people want to jump through the pages, pull her out and give her a great big hug. Kubo knew how to draw out emotions from us readers
Using Bleach as your example but not putting Yoruichi in the thumbnail is diabolical work
she cooked hard today
Yoriuchi is just fanservice.
@@Nikita-Gwenjust because shes hot doesn’t mean shes fan service
@@Nikita-Gwen Just like with every Bleach woman in my opinion, except Rukia. I forgot to write that.
@@danielmejia8403 rukia is fan service?
As a woman who loves Bleach I personally think this series has a lot of well written women. There are a lot of women that I can relate to/look up to which is one draw I have to the series.
Orihime's character makes a lot of sense given her history and age. She does grow over time and gain some independence in a logical way. Personally I love Rangiku and Nanao. Rangiku is a lot tougher and smarter than she seems. She knows how others view her and uses to her advantage. Nanao is very focused and grows as well throughout the series.
Genuinely curious about the female pov: do you think it's a problem that most of the female cast have giant teedeez or is that not that big of a deal
@TheGuzeinbuick So I can't speak for everyone but I am also on the bustier side so it doesn't bother me. I do get how media in general can affect how someone feels about their body but that is an industry issue. There is actually a decent range of body types even if certain ones stick out more. Some of the gags around it can be a bit insulting but in comparison to other anime it's pretty limited (mostly Keigo and Kon). Women being intelligent and multifaceted in the series far outweighs the trope end of this anime
As a female I didn't care at all about the breast size in Bleach. In fact, I like when breasts are drawn beautifully and that was the case with Bleach so it didn't strike me as disturbing or distateful. I also enjoyed the character writing. @@TheGuzeinbuick
@@Linkfan123 Thanks for sharing. I always assumed as long as the character didn't look like a victim ("oh no, the buttons on my top popped open, kyaaa~~!") then it was all good. But yeah some of the more fanservicey jokes with Rangiku were a bit cringe now that I think of it.
@@pandax9949 Appreciate the input! Yeah I guess a lot of it depends on how the writer/author is depicting the scene. The actual appearance of the female characters doesn't seem to matter as much as the way they're presented.
I wanted Tatsuki to stay relevant... I love tomboys, so she would certainly be my favorite.
you know ball
Orhiemei isn’t a bad character
Western weebs hate it when a woman loves and is loyal to a man
@it is not always about Ships PrashasyaGautam
no she isnt
@@Nikita-Gwen yes we know and even without that she still isnt a bad character
Yeah, I don't get why people seem to hate her so much.
I don't get how people think she's useless while characters like Chad and Renji can be written out of the story without anything changing.
I understand that her ability is visually unimpressive, she looks like she's doing nothing while healing people, but saying that she's useless is just laughably wrong.
3:11 women do love food… bro
Just not as much or should I say eat anything as much as men
The criticism I have for the women Kibo designed are the size of their chests.
Any woman with a huge chest will tell you it' s painful for your back, you won't find dresses that fit and people running into and bouncing off them hurts.
It's why I adore his designs for Yoruichi and Rukia so much
Imagine being annoyed by a 15 year old orphaned girl breaking down and calling out to her crush after literally seeing his lifeless body get dropped to the ground by a nihilistic demona whose sole aim was to break her mentally!
Some people's level of comprehension is baffling to say the least.
My guy people can just find characters annoying
Bleach has masculine and handsome males
And
Feminine and beautiful females
Not the other way around
BLEACH is peak
Kubo is goated Mangaka
Orihime is a great character, especially in the manga. This whole "you need to be a strong fighter" mindset for what makes a good character only exsists in shonen anime communities. Its a 12 y/o boy mentality.
Shounen Ouji: Who's your favorite Bleach female character?
Me: Yes!
Grade: C-
"That was not the assignment"
Big fan of your work! Keep up the amazing content! 👍
Thank you so much! Honestly just made my day.
As much as I like the bleach girls I think Gintama has the stronger female cast. Kagura, Otae, Sa-chan, Tsukiyo, Tama, Kyubi and even the land lady are all great character. They each have their own distinct personality, backstory, fighting style and purpose in the story. No one is left behind or underutilised and all the girls are memorable even the minor ones.
gintama girls are close sure
I feel like bleach's female cast are very similar but the only difference is they're too many for them to have their own screen time to intrigue the audience, but Kubo's subtlety in writing makes him a master at executing this. The little screen time they get especially in their battles isn't very context heavy on who they are or what they strive for, but the symbolism they portray in that moment as women.
Personally my fav girl in bleach is Rukia
I think there's a tendency for combat ability to be used as the primary metric for determining the value or quality of a given character. I mean look at how people used to disregard Unohana for the majority of the series until the Kenpachi reveal
"rangiku is a well rounded character"
Rangiku owning her body also has a darker side to it. Depending on how far you want to say the scenario went when Aizens henchmen took the soul king fragment from her, lighter version or darker version, her body was violated. People who feel they lost control of their body in traumatic ways usually try to take ownership of their body in one way or another to compensate. It's probably another reason why she tends to drink so heavily when the opportunity arrives aside from being heart broken by Gin.
You made that up...........
@truthspreader1996 Just a character analysis. Never stated it was canon.
Rukia is my favorite female character in Bleach, but I love Orihime a lot, I consider her the second best female character in the show and Yoruichi in third place.💖💖💖👑👑👑
same
Ichigo's best friend is CHAD!!!!
Bleach has some very amazing female characters and it’s not hard to see why and it’s also not hard to see where Yuki tabata got influenced to make his female character in black clover.
Also do you think you can do another video like this but about the female characters in naruto and if kishimoto write them as good as oda or kubo or many others?
There’s a lot of great female characters in Naruto like Tsunade, Sakura, Kushina, Chiyo, Konan and Temari. The community just shits on the cast without even objectively thinking about it cus that’s just the cool thing to do now.
Gotta give it to ya, you incorporated luigi into your analysis of rangiku and it makes sense
BEST WOMAN ARE IN FULL METALL ALCHEMIST
I feel like the biggest reasons why Orihime is hated despite her incredible character are;
A: the removal of many of her scenes and even part of her backstory in the anime, as well as how the anime staff tried to make her more annoying at times (Kurosaki-kun~) to slot in Rukia as the love interest. This leaves a layer of her character behind in the manga.
and B: The fact that Kubo doesn't often write out what someone's emotions are or go out of his way to point out the depth of his characters. He leaves subtext or visuals behind to do that for him and in the battle Shonen scene a lot of readers/watchers are used to or expecting to be given all the facts at a fairly surface level. So when that information isn't eagerly handed out then it might as well not be there for many, or they won't know to look for it.
you need to make solo analysis on the bleach female characters
Here's my 2 cents, when intaracting with anyone, fictional characters included, incite into their background usually depicts where their behaviors stem from which is something not often observed in real life by close friends to acquaintances, then when it comes to fictional character, people often follow the momentum of what's going on in the scenario and barely pay attention to the characterization of the participating characters in the ongoing scene hence we have poeple jumping to conclusions based on their personal perspectives... And that ladies and gentlemen is a common social survival traits that often overlaps into fiction meant to inspire you to be better than your situation or simply entertain and/or sometimes educate/inform you!
Most characters in fiction are written well and personal perspective usually inspires your judgement on where it's good or not... The more social incite you have, the more you'll appreciate other's experiences and development same applies with limited incite stemming from limiting your own social exposure... Take in more than just your personal personal perspective and you'll enjoy a bigger, more beautiful and experience rich world, fictional or otherwise!
I don’t think there has been no bad written female character in bleach and that’s super rare and it goes to show you not only how talented Kubo is as a artist but as a writer as well. He really will go down as one of the best mangaka of our era
Happy New year. Thanks for this.
Very indulgent, but I'd love to hear your take on _Miranda Lotto_ (the woman who lost the lottery of life), as a direct counterpart to _Orihime._
They have very comparable powers, with one very significant and tragic difference, that does alter how they effect the plots.
TLDR: most people problem with _Rejection_ comes from not understanding that its limits come from the whole power-system, not from the ability itself, so it make perfect sense that Orihime would struggle to heal wounds caused by someone who's not yet defeated, or fail to erase anyone/thing that outweighs her energy.
It is still true though that there are times where the only reason to not make use of Orihime is plot convenience, or character agency.
_Revo-Dial_ has a phenomenal introduction, showcasing it's amazing potency and ability to completely change the course of battles, but also showing the inherent tragedy, that its cost and restriction is it's inherent function.
There can never be a significant reason not use _Revo-Dial,_ it will never devalue any stakes, but that it itself is a burden on Miranda, especially as she's the only exorcist that has zero combat power.
That the 1st time we are confronted with the true cost, we also realise that we're watching one of the best possible outcomes of using it.
clicked cuz i saw rukia and orihime
Well they are one of thebest, up there with Gundam.
But to me the best written female character is Balsa from Moribito, she is strong without showing physical strength, she is knows her limits and she doesnt deny she is a woman.
My favourite is rukia ❤
Like definently not in anime period but I would have them as debatably the best female battle shounen cast, there's a couple others I like more (Not including the one's where females make up the majority of the cast) but their leagues better than nearly all other popular ones.
Spot on video about bleach female characters
I know im 13 days late
But could you try to read
Cat's Eye (1981) - 135 chapters
City Hunter (1985) - 191 chapters
Angel Heart (2001) - 448 chapters
Hojo Tsukasa has other mangas also, like Family Compo, but being a female characters video. The mangas i put here have great female characters, the Kisugi sisters (Cat's Eye), Kaori and Miki (City Hunter), Shion (Angel Heart)
I feel like people often tend to hate the healer damsels in distress.
They are often non-combatant and display a jarring amount of feminine traits for a Shonen manga.
People often say that female characters never do anything but look pretty...in a manga written for the entertainment of young boys.
But often times, the issue is more that the Main Character and the Main Rival power scale MUCH harder than anyone else in the show.
Sorry every female in Bleach is just a troupe character has barely any depth and doesn't hold a candle to Kagura Sango Kagome or Kikyo you know why because they have their own character Bleach females are just used for fanservice or dumb gags just proof that shonen jump authors can write the biggest failures who are basically useless and don't do anything to beat Aizen with Inuyasha every single member of the main characters get a chance to shine and Naraku couldn't have been defeated without Kagome
best anime who write women imo
bleach (orihime, rukia, yoruichi, rangiku)
chainsaw man (reze my beloved)
eva (asuka misato)
black clover (to some extent)
berserk (farnese is one my faves oat)
I feel like the bleach female cast is slightly overrated by the community. I love bleach and idk how to put it other than “they don’t feel like actual people they feel like 2 dimensional characters” I think shonens like fairy tail and one piece to a better job at elaborating on some of the female characters qualities, motivations and importance
What would you say makes them feel 2 dimensional?
@ don’t get me wrong, bleach has some of my favorite female characters in shonen. For example Rukia, Inoue & Soi Fon but the large majority of them just feel plain to me. Like the bare minimum for a character much less a female character like Unohana, Rangiku, Nelliel, Yoruichi etc. I just don’t feel emotionally connected to them at all and they have little impact on the overall plot in my opinion
@@WakaDior I can definitely see what you mean. Thanks for sharing your take!
@@ShonenOuji no problem, keep uploading I appreciate your content
Nah rangiku is well written😭😭 i harshly disagree with you reread bleach@WakaDior
Man, my friend who recently started bleach hates orihime so much. Sadly, I can't suggest him this video because he hasn't caught up to TYBW yet, and its gonna take a long time
Well I doubt he'll change his mind since Orihime is really annoying in Hueco Mundo
Please stop writing whinny women 🙏don’t care how strong they are they still whinny and annoying. Makes them look like literal children 😭
For my own hobby writing, i tend to take a mixture of Final Fantasy logic and Dungeons & Dragons logic.
I take roughly 7 characters and split their importance equally, with the main character being a minor McGuffin. It's not that the MC power scales harder than the other 6 characters, there is just something unique about them that makes them "the key" to solving the plot.
Each of the 7 characters has their own specialties and moments to shine and i avoid using any of these 7 characters for the Warf Effect.
I know that this comment isn't exactly about making strong female characters, but i feel like Shonen anime like Bleach and Naruto have a weakness that people pick up on and leads them to hate the members of the Hero's party that should otherwise be likable, including the female characters.
Step - 1 childish
Step - 2 unreasonable
Gege could NEVER!
Hands down the most beautiful cast in Bleach
TYBW Nemu has the best curve ratio.
This is an interesting look into the woman characters in bleach.
clicked the video because of the thumbnail
all Bleach girls are, and always will be my favourite, especially Rukia.
Orihime lives up to her name "princess "
I definitely see a bit of momo
Tatsuki could've been great. She have fun dynamic between Ichigo and Orihime. Kinda weird she didnt get into the main cast. Orihime and Chad get their power because of Ichigo's reaitsu. She knew Ichigo the longest, yet get jack shit.
Poor Orihime is such a great character, but she’s in a battle shonen and made for an audience who want no depth and only characters piling up bodies.
My niece hates Rukia. Her favorite character is Kenpachi Zaraki 🤣
I've long since said Bleach's women are the best in manga. Not just attractive but completely capable of holding their own and not wanting to lust after Ichigo. They're strong and powerful goofballs who are formidable fighters.
Personally I feel like Black Clover might excel with Bleach‘s woman a bit.
But when it comes to the woman of Bleach, the heroines fight out of genuine loyalty or love for their families.
So would you say Black Clover has better female characters than Bleach?
@ equally good females
@@Atticus-Catnipp i think bleach women have better presented dynamic with the cast than bc, like orihime's dynamic with ulquiorra is my fave of the series and rukia's with ichigo or unohana's with zaraki, it feels more personal
@ yeah I know still Black clover woman are also cool
Definitely not. They dope tho.
Femininity, confidence, Charm great Trinity
hey i can read and Renji is still an undeserving flaky bum in the manga, and Orihime while a great character in the manga is still to much of a passive pushover in terms of personality for it to seem like Ichigo would feel i don't know "fulfilled" in their relationship. Tatsuki or Rukia would probably have to be there to coach/force them to consummate their relationship just to end up with Kazui with how Ichigo and Orihime act. plus it always bugged me the way Orihime looked at Masked ichigo with fear, and Ulquiorra with pity and understanding... Rukia never lacked confidence in him, she never looked at him like he was gonna hit her.....
THANK YOU. So many people think that a goodly written female character is one who is strong and can defend themselves. Its the most annoying thing ever. Using thise peoples logic goku and every horrible STRAIGHT TRASH written but very strong character is actually goodly written.
Ive been defending Naruto women for so long but people are idiots. They only see power= writing when it doesn't.
It still sucks that people focus on the Naruto wonen getting saved and viewing it as there whole character. Like Sakura, Hinata, chyo, Tsunade, temari are good written female characters.
You can also add Kushina to the list of well written female characters. Sadly tho most of the anime community is brain dead and just parrot whatever the consensus is without thinking for themselves.
@@MrBrown-q7p fr. People act like Naruto has the worst women in fiction. I literally seen people call kishimoto a misogynist, sexist, say that he hate women or see them as just healers.
But they are the ones who actually see the women in the shows as useless and only healers, then they try to say he's bad at writing women because in 2004 he said he couldn't write female Characters, which is braindead because that was over 20 years ago, and If you compare the writing of Sakura in og and Shippuden you can see there's a very very clear difference.
But then again, most of the hate Naruto gets is from braindead people who need everything spoonfed to them and they need stuff like Dragonball and one piece, they like there anime simple, no depth, and spoonfed to them.
It due to people being braindead and wanting simple stuff, that it leads to people who have watched Naruto in years or never watched Naruto at all. To just hate on the show and say this and that is retcon and plot holes(despite the fact Naruto only has 5 plot holes and 2 retcon's) which is still impressive since Naruto has 700 chapters.
How tf are you going to diss goku and defend naruto female characters?
@@Burst644 ? I didn't diss Goku. I meant Goku as separate and that straight trash isekai characters not together
@@Burst644 I love dbz but what depth does Goku have other than wanting to fight someone strong and protect the earth??
Basically this show is watched mostly by teenagers and menchildren that didn't mature, and on their heads girls being different than boys is a concept that they haven't dealt with yet. They still act on the principle that anything girly is lame, and therefore Orihime is lame. They don't consider the idea that Orihime is literally a normal human and not a century old warrior that was trained to kill and protect, though she gains those abilities eventually.
Meanwhile, Sakura spent the entire story lusting after "Sasuke-kun" even after he tried to kill her.
What's Orihime doing again...? Still calling out "Kurosaki-kun!".
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@@nobushidono9897 Dude, Karin is a better written character in Bleach Filler (not even main Bleach) than canon Sakura, don't even compare lol.
@@revenantronin8377 Cool. Karin isn't Orihime. Hell, Karin from Naruto is better written that Sakura. Orihime literally brought an arrancar back to life that Yammy killed. She has Tsubaki to fight, along with the other parts of her fullbring. Where's the training? She's still cowering away, only to have a couple instances. Her character has no growth. Nel yelled at her to cheer for Ichigo because she was somehow too scared to?
Sure, she's kind hearted and adorable. She has some good moments with Ichigo. She's not a bad character like Sakura.
But you can literally give Roxanne from Harem in a Labyrinth Orihime's fullbring powers, get rid of the ears (and the ecchi), and she becomes a better Orihime than Orihime is.
Orihime is supposed to be Ichigo's shield. And she just sits back and sometimes does something. Like Ulquiorra said, "if you're trying to protect him, why didn't you put up your shield the first time?" Orihime does nothing but hesitate.
If she got better over time, I wouldn't care. I love Orihime. But if I can replace her with another character from a different series, and make the story overall better, then there's a problem.
@@nobushidono9897 there is a problem with your brain, if you replace orihime the story does not get better ignorant
man i love the femininity in bleach❤️
Ngl outside of a few, bleach women just feel eye candy
That's what happens when you focus on looking at titties instead of looking at the words attached. Focus up big dawg, Sonic wouldn't be proud.
Would people say the same about the men though? Most of the characters men and women in the series are very attractive, but no one would ever say that about Grimmjow or Ukitake or Haschwalth
@iluvmybleach Grimmjow gets a pass because he's him and is probably Ichigo's best rival in the series but Ukitake genuinely has no character moments outside him sacrificing himself for Mimihagi and Haschwalth genuinely sucked up till his flashback with Bazz and even then I'd say it's just moreso a reason for Bazz to be mad at him and Yhwach
@@iluvmybleach You gotta be new here lol. You should have been there when Bleach was releasing weekly and every girl ever was oogling Grimmjow & Byakuya 💀💀
@Townzie xnah I been here the whole time, 13yo me had shirtless posters of the boys on my walls 😂. I know girls used to drool over the boys cause I was one, I'm saying alongside the oogling the men still get praised for their traits and parts in the series no matter how small. The girls could do similar feats, or contribute as much as the attractive men but people will still claim those same women are only here for fanservice. Its fanservice AND plot for both males and females in Bleach.
Honestly the only thing you need for a female character to be "interesting" is to make her pretty. Most female characters in western media have always been badly written but they became popular because of their looks. When ever I watch a video about how western media is makings female characters ugly they always say "she isn't interesting if she isn't beautiful". To me if all she has going for her is her appearance, she's a garbage character. Im not saying it's okay to make female characters ugly. Im an artist and I make both male and female characters attractive. But I think when writing a character you shouldn't care about their looks unless it directly ties to their story. Like being a lizard person or something.
Nico Robin by a long shot. I just adore her.
Great video
Thank you!
Hate the title, but I like the vibe. I think the main reason folks believe anime may write better characters is mainly that anime is mostly made by creators from a homogeneous society. In the Western world you have a belief system that is born of the Abrahamic faith which has a monopoly of how the genders should act, _according to them._ That and it does kind of suck when all the female characters are rarely the badass ones. I kind of fell off of anime from how boring the female characters were, it just annoyed me. Now I'm not a hater of anime, just the opposite, but as I get older more distance seems to occur.
Plus the male characters generally get to do all the cool stuff, it's the same in American comics. Superman & Batman come up with all the plans and the ladies just do something cool every once in a while. I don't know what the balance is, but... as the world goes forward creators are getting better at making more dynamic female characters. _Sometimes_ they overdo it, but that's to be expected because there's so much there you can mess up on. Lastly, when I finally get into an anime, the female characters tend to drop off, like the male characters become so powerful you wonder why the women are even there sometimes.
I think *power* is a thing and sometimes what the character can actually do helps. It does bother me that creators feel the need to flaw their women up, otherwise folks won't _believe_ they make sense. Anyways, good video! I totally clicked on this expecting something else entirely, glad I was wrong.
I think Bleach is only topped by One Piece in terms of how written their female characters are.
Rengiku is the hot one out of all the female characters in bleach😍😎👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🏅🏆💐❤️🔥
Orihime is super well written i dont get the hate
The reason why get so much hate is because they're Bleach characters that's just how I see it.
Naruto also has bad female characters it's not rocket science these authors just write women to be idiots that swoon over men for no reason or to be op like yourichi no real thought put into them Mikoto Misaka and Kuroko hell any female from Railgun has got more depth then Bleach females
@@axelwinchester4220Yoruichi isn't "just OP", she has her own ideals and motives in life, and you could even say someone she admires dearly to the point where she also exiled herself from her clan.
She's that kind of princess that doesn't let people dictate her life but does what she wants when she needs to, not some meathead like mirko in mha who just likes fighting and getting stronger....
Yu missed one point. Kubo wrote female charecters freemindedly instead of inspiring from his wife🤣🤣🤣🤣
While I agree that Bleach does their female characters justice, I definitely wouldn't claim they are "the best." Series like Gintama, FMAB, Chainsaw Man, One Piece, Claymore, and a couple others I'm sure I'm forgetting do their female casts much better.
If we're not just talking about Shounen, there are also these series: Monogatari Series, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Kaguya Sama, Aria the Animation, Re:Zero, Frieren, Hibike, Kara no Kyoukai, Haibane Renmei & ...
Bleach female characters are cool but to call them the best in anime is a stretch bc imo they're not even the best in the big 3, it's one piece. I like characters like Rukia and yoruichi but most bleach female characters don't have much depth, personal goals, great backstories, emotional moments, or significance to the plot as much as one piece women do.
While Bleach has one of the best depictions of women in media,I think Hideaki Sorachi and Gintama have the best representation and it can be summed up in a quote by the main character “Even women fart and poop”.
ppl devalue traditionally feminine characters like orihime bc they aren't like their male counterparts. The males are usually the main ones who fight, and while there are female characters who fight, having all of them fight would be a narrow minded decisions. Part of Orihimes arc is about her place among the chaos of battles that happen throughout the seires. Thanks to others and a lot of self-reflection, she is able to realize her purpose. She isn't a fighter. She is a defender and healer. The shield to ichigos sword.
Orihime, by the end of the series, is not only OP af going up against Yuwach but also is still being true to who she is. She gets unnecessary hate for a character that actually meets all the requirements for the arbitrary reasons shounentards need to enjoy female characters. ESPECIALLY the fact that she is traditionally feminine, which is sorely lacking these days, at least in american media.
Orihime was at her best in the SS arc. She became annoying the moment 90% of her character became centered on Ichigo.
Bleach women are powerful,funny ,have different motivations and diverse story telling especially when you add in the factor of how soul society is culturally
Even Tia Halibel Neliel amd Soi Fon are written Well
Soi Fon, yes. I always found Hallibel a bit bland personally. :/
@@TheGuzeinbuickAnd Nel?
Senjumaru is my favorite
this has nothing to do with bleach characters, BUT
erza from fairy tail is definitely a feminine character. as a matter of fact that was a whole thing. she is quite feminine. she's just also a warrior.
I damn love Inoue
They're hot. Its not that hard to figure out. Female characters live and die by their looks. There is a BIG reason why Orihime and Rangiku are sl popular, bro.
Less than perfect look women are always an antagonist or an outright villain to the main hot female lead.
There are far better ones than Bleach. Like with Ghost in the Shell or Full Metal Alchemist or Black Lagoon.
As for my favorite ones, Integra from Hellsing and Balaika from Black Lagoon are top tier.
Rukia is way better than the rest of bleach female cast
What would you say gives Rukia the edge?
@ShonenOuji she is great character with no tropy fan service and had a respectful relation with the MC Ichigo and having multiple character arcs and development. She is my favorite character in Bleach.
@PrashasyaGautam she did nothing in the entirety of OG bleach ,she was good in TYBW P1 but that it , a small contribution to the story.
@aissaaissa3080 Pretty much. Rukia has her moments and is still great I have to admit that she was underutilised most of the time.
orihime is her equal
Gintama too
Best girls in the big 3
One Piece
Last is Naruto
It is between bleach and one piece depending on preference i will not argue either way is understandable
But we all agree naruto dead last
w great video
you forgot sailor moon and plus sailor moon bleach are kinda the same show anyway
we need more bleach videos
Orihime gets hate because she wasn't very well-written in the Hueco Mundo arc. Plus the female member of the party being the healer is a tired cliche. Matsumoto also had a few too many fanservice moments disguised as lame "jokes." Besides that though, I'd say Kubo knocked the female characters out of the park. There is the fact that 90% of them are given megatitties, but what do you want, it's anime.
We want better!
Don't make excuses for the writer when they can't think of anything besides giving her large cupcakes to make them likable.
@@truthspreader1996 It is true that if Orihime didn't have huge "cupcakes" she'd probably be just as hated as Sakura.
The bigger problem imo is that anime fans spend their time "hating" a fictional character instead of having a problem with the writer. This is a little offtopic but it always rubbed me the wrong way how "Kurenai tried to use genjutsu on Itachi" thing became a meme, but instead of criticising Kishimoto for his inconsistency instead the fanbase decided to put the "blame" on Kurenai... a ficitonal character... that doesn't exist.