If you disagree with Alastor > the Sins, it’s because they have no feats and no statements (that I can find) that places them above anyone, if you disagree provide me with statements and link the proof, don’t just say them with no proof Edit: here’s some more things 1. Vox, Statement is too vague, we don’t know what happened during that fight or if it was even a fight at all 2. Charlie, fodder, literally a Vaggie victim, alastor is a speed blitz above her and has a lot of narrative above her 3. Stolas, hierarchy ≠ power, vivzi said she doesn’t know who wins, alastor has more concrete showings of his abilities (don’t need to assume) and Alastor actually knows how the fight 4. Zestial and carmillia are featless 5. Piamon is featless, only high diff due to the grimoire
me personally, as carmilla says to vaggie, you have no hope of killing the exterminators as long as you fight for yourself, which is the main reason alastor lost against adam, he was being cocky and wasn't fighting for the safety of others but because he thought he would win (sorry if i seem annoying) :}
@@DiamondHearted Well, the problem with relying solely on feats is that HH is a musical drama, not a shonen. That being said: It should be obvious that a single overlord isn't gonna beat literal rulers of hell. I know you said hierarchy ≠ power but that's only half-true imo. I think power is only a minor factor. Yeah sure, other characters have vague statements and lacking feats, but in that case, the comparison in nature is unfair.
@@red_eyeTM my scales are certainly going to change as both shows are still ongoing, but right now I have no reason to put the sins above alastor as they lack anything, yeah it’s a musical drama and not a shonen, but with no feats, no statements and not even a narrative to go off of, I can’t justify putting them above alastor
@@DiamondHearted in Vivs patreon she stated that the sins draw power from the rings each ring's have stars in them which you can see in the background they also have there own space time continuem which is universal Alastor gets Negged by them
@user-rv1lr9cn6z ok..I want to be clear that while alastor may not be as powerful as the scale suggests..the creator GAVE SOLID EVIDENCE FROM THE SHOW, and ima believe that over people just saying meatriding
Vivienne said that sins>any sinner, also Goetia is stronger than any sinner. Also, many sinners are afraid of Zestial, which is an indicator that Zestial is much stronger than many overlords, including Alastor. I've never seen Alastor's strength so overstated.
You know, the whole Adam fight seems rather dubious. It almost feels like Alastor threw the fight on purpose, especially when I can easily see him winning handily against the chief of the exorcists. His power set is more than sufficient to best Adam, he just didn't use it for whatever reason. Think about it. Alastor could have: 1. Snapped his fingers and opened up numerous combat applicable portals to simply banish and absorb all of Adam's holy light blasts. Who knows, it might have even been possible for him to redirect holy light energy via portal reversal. That's one way to nullify all of Adam's blasts, as well as his holy light guitar slash. 2. Conjured building-sized dark tendrils to ensnare and hold adam in place, (like he did in tandem with his barrier earlier) completely immobilizing him in the process. With that done, one of the tendrils could have wrenched the angelic steel guitar out of a helpless Adam's hands and finished him off with it. 3. May I remind you that Alastor's dark barrier was impenetrable to angelic steel. That's right. None of the angels could break through it, even with their holy arms. This feat in particular makes me believe Alastor is actually more powerful than even the Ars Goetia AND 6 out of the 7 deadly sins! It took someone like Adam, a contemporary of Lilith in terms of power, to bring down Alastor's shield with a holy light-powered punch! Adam = Lilith > 6 deadly sins and Ars Goetia In conclusion, Alastor is easily the strongest overlord, sinner, and the 3rd most powerful entity in hell; right behind Charlie and Lucifer, since Lilith and Eve aren't in hell and it's debatable whether Alastor can take on Charlie or Lilith. (I believe he can, but not without great difficulty.)
@@TheTruthWillSetYouFree1881 I’m not denying that alastor was holding back, but so was Adam, alastor has no win con, everything he does will just delay his inevitable loss
I would have the diff between Adam and Alastor be a lot closer (same with Lilith as well) though I agree with almost everything else there, good edit 👍
Strength hierarchy (not power/political) in my opinion: 1. God 2. Roo (if the theory that she is the embodiment of evil is true) 3. Seraphim (Elders/Seven Virtues) and Seven Deadly Sins (Elders are seraphim. They all have six wings like Emily, Sera, Lucifer. They are six and Lucifer is shown like 7th. He was a virtue and Emily replaced him. Seven Deadly Sins are antipodes to Seven Virtues so they may be equals) 4. Archangels (Adam) and Kings of Ars Goetia (Paimon) 5. Strongest Overlords (Alastor, Vox, Zestial) and Princes/Marquises of Ars Goetia (Stolas, Vassago, Andrealphus) (Viv said that Stolas MIGHT win Alastor. She said she never thought about that. So they are equals. It follows from this that Vox is also close in strength to Stolas, for he is Alastor's equal. Zestial survived Alastor's carnage of old Overlords so he may be stronger than Alastor, though stronger than Stolas) 6. Middle Overlords (Carmilla, Zizie, Rosie) and counts/barons of Goetia 7. Weakest Overlords (Valentino, Velvet, Husk) and nobles of Goetia like Stella
Alot of charatars shown in this edit ( great edit btw I agree on alot of it ) have not been shown woth there powers or full powers so its hard to make a final judgement on how they'd fight against alastor
Stolas>Alastor Extreme Diff (Stolas outscales badly plus has better Powers and Ap but it'll be close due to Alastor having combat exp) Piamon>Alastor Mid-High Diff (Same as Stolas he outscales badly+he is Stolas father so he is stronger than Stolas and has more experience) Asmodeous, Mammon and Beelzebub>Alastor Low Diff (Doesnt matter at all if they dont have feats, They have the power to rule an entire ring which is a better feat and statement than all of Alastor's) Charlie>Alastor No-Low Diff (Yes I get it bro Alastor is more experienced and skilled than Charlie but she has too much Durability and Endurance to be hurt by Alastor so he'll do not alot of damage and Charlie has too much strength and power so if she was done with Alastor she can basically one shot him due to having equal strength than Adam and we saw what Adam did to Alastor) Honerable Mentions Are That Feats dont matter because Lilith has no feats at all and u over here saying She does diffs Alastor(She does tho) and u say that the Sins lose to Alastor, also another mention is Hirrachy=Power because we saw that Lucifer and Lilith are king and queen, the Sins are ruling an entire ring, Charlie is a Neliphim due to her Parents being an Angel and Human, and Stolas and Piamom have the grimrore scaling them higher than Alastor 1-Lucifer 2-Sera 3-Adam 4-Charlie(Currently) 5-Beelzebub 6-Mammon 7-Asmodeous 8-Piamon 9-Stolas 10-Alastor Alastor is 10th in the verse so far buddy
@@Thazeldadebatertiktok69 1. What feats does Stolas have to outscale Alastor (I swear if you pull the loo loo land “feats”) 2. The only reason I have him at high diff is because of the grimoure, other than that he’s utterly featless 3. Ruling a ring ≠ power, would Henry VIII be above all of England because he ruled it? 4. While I can see where you’re going with that, as strength wise she would be equal to an injured Adam, Alastor is MASSIVELY faster then her and would just disarm her and use her own weapon against her 5. Lilith is at that diff because of a statement saying she’s equal to Adam (who obviously no diffs Alastor) 6. There is no evidence or statements saying that the hierarchy = power 7. Having Charlie at FOURTH is crazy 😭🙏
@@DiamondHearted 1-Yes its the Loo Loo land one but it did happen because in the episode that introduced he did something similar 2-Piamon destroys Alastor with the Grimoure plus Grimoure was stated to be "Unlimited Power" or something like that in the episode that, so Grimoure is about High Solar System Lvl or a bit higher 3 and 4: Charlie and The Sins are higher they have alot more Strength, Durability, and Power, they didnt show cause of writing 5: Hirrachy does mean Power for the love of God, look it up on the Hazbin Hotel Wiki and the Wiki is accurate lore, dont believe me idk what to tell u buddy
@@Thazeldadebatertiktok69 1. The loo loo land “feats” are invalid as there are NO INDICATIONS that stolas used his powers there, just a naturally occurring phenomenon 2. The grimoure doesn’t have infinite power, it’s a hyperbolic statement that contradicts Hazbin hotel narrative, so it’s invalid 3. “They are stronger but I have no feats to show they are!” So your point is irrelevant then 4. FAN WIKIS are not reliable sources as they are NOT official sources, only fanmade, so they are utterly irrelevant to use for evidence
Glad you put questions marks for the sins, because they have basically no feats. Hierarchy doesn’t equal power as you explain, and I love that idea in this. As a basis, I like to say Alastor can beat the three weakest sins, but can’t beat the top four. I also agree that Alastor beats Stolas, it’s sort of like an Alastor vs Charlie scenario imo. In other words: both of his opponents definitely have the power to beat him, but due to their lack of ability control and little battle experience, Alastor would win. Some of the feats that people bring up for stolas is “He flew as fast as a rocket,” or “He tanked a supernova,” which is just not true because it’s in a song. If we’re going by that logic, then Husk and Angel Dust can summon spotlights and signs out of nowhere, and we know that isn’t true because it’s PART OF THE SONG. Would you rather have a song where Stolas just flies around the room? No! Because you want cool visuals
Sometimes I think alastor fans and alastor has a way to big ego Stolas and the other goetias + deadly sins can basically one tap him,especially lucifer
For anybody who says stuff like “Stolas could tank a supernova,” or “Stolas could fly the same speed as a rocket ship,” it’s all special effects to make the song cooler. I mean if we’re going off that, then Husker and Angeldust can randomly summon signs out of f*cking nowhere. Songs are meant to look cool and highlight a key part of the song, not for power scaling. Also the fact that Stolas pretty much has no battle experience, and very little control over his power compared to Alastor. Here’s how the fight in general goes. *Stolas definitely has the power to defeat Alastor even without too many feats, but he lacks the skill and fighting experience to actually take Alastor down.* There are also those who bring up the podcast, in which in states “I think Stolas is stronger,” or something along the lines of that. Many people forget the fact though that this statement was an opinion, and the fact that right afterwards she said something along the lines of “I’m not sure though,” meaning they’re likely close in power. If Stolas was so unbelievably strong, there wouldn’t be a question of “not sure though,” it’d be a 100% fact. THATS my take on Stolas vs Alastor
It seriously surprises me how overrated Asta Storlas is and the Goetias are already at a level higher than star levels, things that no character in the Super Hotel at that time
Also the fact that they are comparing it to the deadly sins they are seriously buying a simple overlord with the reincarnations of sin is that it is seriously very overrated😂😂😂
shit, not a comparison of forces. Alastor is simply a sinner compared to the princes of hell and Goetia. In hell, hierarchy is an indicator of strength, since without strength it is impossible to control hell. Alastor fans are
I found it absurd, I'm an Alastor fanboy and I think he would win the entire Goetia family, except for Stolas, according to Vizzie's confirmations, since Stolas is declared to be one or the strongest Goetia thanks to the grimore
Adam is no diff though, he wasn’t using his abilities at all during the fight, but when he did he one shot him, is he opens up the fight with a holy light beam, alastor is gonna die like pentious did
@@DiamondHearted I mean at the same time alastor wasn't taking adam seriously either and was arguably holding back even more, plus he wasn't using angelic weapons unlike everyone else
We all know that stolas could grab alastor and put his head on a wood board like they have in wooden huts and its the same with husk. He just never uses his full power in the series (i think he does like once but its probably not all of his power)
I feel like just because we dont see them fight doesn't mean their weaker. The 7 deadly sins are more powerful in my opinion but there is a chance Alastor can overthrow Zestial despite the small indications hes scared of him.
W ❤ but Adam> Alastor hard diff, because Alastor did not have an angelic weapon and he could not inflict anything on Adam, otherwise they would have fought almost on equal terms...
For the sins it's just cap. The sins scaling above pretty much everyone below them in their Hierarchy and 2ndly they scale above their own rings easily. Also you did Andreplahus dirty 😭
alright some of this was right until he got to stolas because stolas stomps alastor possibly mid diff and his father stomps alastor low diff the sins all stomp him no diff and the rest is fax
I love how so many people are saying “FINALLY ALASTOR GETTING THE RESPECT HE DESERVES” When in reality, he gets the most glaze and fanboy/girling out of ANY Hazbin character. Prove me wrong I’d like to see you try 😭
@@ExoticSshadow all my proof is in the pinned comment but since you’ve disregarded and haven’t given any evidence yourself, I’ll say it here, Alastor no diffs all the sins (except lucifer because he actually HAS scaling) as their feats do not compare to Alastors, they have no statements that put them above him and no narrative to, the hierarchy isn’t based on power, there are no statements or anything saying it does, and the definition of a hierarchy is one of political and social power, so by default it would be this type of hierarchy until stated otherwise by either a character or vivzi
@@DiamondHearted Everything you just said had absolutely nothing to do with people saying that Alastor gets no respect but that’s for the sentence anyway?
@@ExoticSshadow people say he’s a Stolas victim (even vivzi herself says she doesn’t know who wins 😭🙏) people saying CARMILLIA AND ZESTIAL beat him when they either have no good feats (Carmilla) or no feats at all (Zestial) so people are right as he’s massively underrated by way too many people
its crazy to me how many people are saying shit like ''sins > alastor'' ''zestial > alastor'' ''vox > alastor'' like bro Alastor not only has narative but he has feats aswell, bro was dominating adam in first half of their fight, and he has overlod position only cuz of his power
@@amirahalizamagicalworld114 she didn’t? She also fought an Adam who had no weapons a weaker Adam and did worse, the only hit she got off Adam was an offguard attack, she did significantly worse
@@amirahalizamagicalworld114 Alastor did get offguard attacks, but he used another one of his abilities (shadow minions) to make those openings, Charlie only got her attack off because Adam was yapping, after that, an injured and unarmed Adam no diffed her, Charlie couldn’t dodge his attacks, Alastor can, it’s clear as day who did better against Adam
"Hiecharcy is not same as power" they say... To be honest this is why he is overrated...(Sorry but not sorry) Dont get me wrong, Alastor is my favorite character too but.... this is a bit....yeah no..
Y es ridículo, porque no se ha visto nada del poder goetia, pecado o de la familia real en todo su esplendor Charlie es la protagonista, es obvio que no sería todo poderosa en la primera temporada, ella ni siquiera sabe manejar su poder, y los pecados deben estar mínimo superior a Adam ya que solo están por debajo de la familia Real Al único con que Alastor estaría más igualado es stolas, pero Paimon se lo sigue soleando ( Conoce todos los secretos goetia) Y ni siquiera es el overlord más fuerte, que quede claro, no es lo mismo acabar con un montón de overlords que con la Realeza del infierno...
Ngl this edit is too old, the IMP managed to fck with a goetic demon, alastor's not even the strongest overlord, with a feat like that I'd say Alastor's hopes are fucked.
at full potential negs everyone except Lucifer and possibly sera (low diff for sins and adam) A full potential Alastor means she made a deal with everyone in Hell, including Lucifer, and became even more powerful.
Bro Alastor can not beat Charlie at full power even if Alastor is full power… Adam pretty much negs diff him… He nearly took Alastor out… The fight was short and was only abo ur a minute than Alastor retreats… Zestial wins Alastor is literally scared of him and acts super polite around him… Carmilla can beat him for obvious reasons she is the leader of the overlords… Asmodeus easily wins he’s literally the king of hell… Many people around the world say Asmodeus is the king of hell some say Lucifer is king or sometimes emperor… So Asmo wins… Why is this even a question… And Mammon, Stolas, Paimon and, Beelzebub easily wins like why is this even a question…
@@khoapham1438 Jesus Christ what is this abundance of misinformation you’ve spouting out? Charlie did WORSE against Adam, you have no way of proving Zestial wins, Alastor widening his eyes isn’t evidence, it could just mean he’s surprised to see him, and him being polite doesn’t mean he’s scared 😭🙏 he’s nice to Rosie, does that mean she’s stronger? No of course not, it’s stupid logic, Ozzie isn’t the king of hell, that’s objectively incorrect, Lucifer is, and Ozzie (and the rest of the sins except lucifer) have NO SCALING, they get bodied by Alastor currently
I would assume both are on the same lvl because alastor nedds angelic weapons to damge or hurt stolas in anyway but stolas has no visible statements he'd win alastor has more fighting experiance and statements but its a 50/50 chance either way☠️
Do you guys think stolas is used as an example that the hiarcy (Can't spell) isn't based on power, as without his book he's defenseless, like when striker ambushed him his first instinct was to flee instead of attacking the imp that he's never heard of (i know striker had angelic weapons but if i remember correctly stolas didn't notice and striker explained about the lasso or something like that and stolas was bamboozled. Or am i just overthinking this and I'm no where near
HOW IS ALASTOR VS CHARLIE NO DIFF? HOW? Charlie is Lucifer's Daughter and she showed a bit of power defeating Adam in the end Do you remember who beated Alastor? YES ADAM Charlie has much more power than Alastor Also the Sins would wipe the floor with him like Adam did
Будем объективны: Аластор, несмотря на свою пиздатость, всё-таки смертный грешник. Он точно не вытягивает Адама, слишком "толстокожего" и мощного; Люцифера, протёршего пол Адамом; Сэры, которая является древним серафимом. Противники уровнем ниже, чем Адам, должны объединиться. Например, у "V" есть шансы при использовании всех доступных резервов, хотя Аластор сможет ускользнуть в случае поражения.
W edit 👌 But maybe just little details for me that doesn’t fit very well. If we are talking about Full Power Alastor, then its more like : -Lilith wins - Neg diff (she’s literaly the Queen of Hell) -Adam wins - Low or Mid diff (again its Full Power Alastor) -Sera wins - No diff (She’s less powerful than Lucifer, but more than Adam, so its between them)
Paimon is the strongest goetia besides bael, and a few others, who sre practically actual gods, and according to the lesser key of Solomon is pretty much Lucifers direct fucking right hand. Al loses to him, Every single sin bodies him As of now we know al "almost" beat vox that one time, the best way you can make that look for Al is that he lost to all 3 of the vs at once if val and vel helped vox, Andre probably does lose, he doesn't seem all too strong for a goetia, so that ill let slide. Zestial and carmine both have the potential to be above him, based on the fact that zestial intimidated alastor in the scene they shared together, I assume that zestial logically wins, it wouldn't make sense otherwise, carmine is debatable, Saying your gonna give him the win due to lack of feats is delusional though , Viv may suck at power scaling, but she basically said al vs stolas would be a close fight, saying al beats sins is saying stolas does, and stolas doesn't fucking beat any sins lmao, the lack of feats argument isnt gonna hold up ever, viv may suck at powerscaling but even she wouldnt have an overlord beat a sin 💀 Goofy ahh takes
Stolas and Charlie and seven deadly sins IS superior than alastor because Charlie are injured Adam and stolas IS ars goetia and the ars goetia>>>overlord
Saying Adam beats Alastor no diff feels wrong bc he almost beat him in the show. Adam still wins, but I’d say it’s closer to mid or high diff. Alastor held his own for a while.
If you disagree with Alastor > the Sins, it’s because they have no feats and no statements (that I can find) that places them above anyone, if you disagree provide me with statements and link the proof, don’t just say them with no proof
Edit: here’s some more things
1. Vox, Statement is too vague, we don’t know what happened during that fight or if it was even a fight at all
2. Charlie, fodder, literally a Vaggie victim, alastor is a speed blitz above her and has a lot of narrative above her
3. Stolas, hierarchy ≠ power, vivzi said she doesn’t know who wins, alastor has more concrete showings of his abilities (don’t need to assume) and Alastor actually knows how the fight
4. Zestial and carmillia are featless
5. Piamon is featless, only high diff due to the grimoire
There is hell’s hierarchy
@@ringmake prove it’s based on power
It’s said by the creator sorry but I can’t spell that the sins are more powerful than the overlords
@@DiamondHearted I cant exactly prove that it is based on power but more on control then considering that the higher the rank the more they control
@@Hazbin-lover83 link where
me personally, as carmilla says to vaggie, you have no hope of killing the exterminators as long as you fight for yourself, which is the main reason alastor lost against adam, he was being cocky and wasn't fighting for the safety of others but because he thought he would win
(sorry if i seem annoying) :}
I think he wanted Adam's soul to get his powers and broadcast his screams to show Hell that he is the true king of Pride Ring.
@@zeleeba8774 that actually makes so much sense, i never even thought of it like that, thanks!
@@zeleeba8774Ye bc he said it is ending the broadcast!
Oml ppl who actually have a brain and don't meat ride adam
This is some wild mental gymnastics, but the edit as usual is high quality.
Pinned comment if you disagree with anything
@@DiamondHearted Well, the problem with relying solely on feats is that HH is a musical drama, not a shonen. That being said: It should be obvious that a single overlord isn't gonna beat literal rulers of hell. I know you said hierarchy ≠ power but that's only half-true imo. I think power is only a minor factor.
Yeah sure, other characters have vague statements and lacking feats, but in that case, the comparison in nature is unfair.
@@red_eyeTM my scales are certainly going to change as both shows are still ongoing, but right now I have no reason to put the sins above alastor as they lack anything, yeah it’s a musical drama and not a shonen, but with no feats, no statements and not even a narrative to go off of, I can’t justify putting them above alastor
Stolas could wipe the floor with alastor, lets be honest
Same with the deadly sins. Ppl seem to wayyyy overestimate him
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Given alastors battle experience it's hard to give stoles the win bc he's not shown any Feats in a fight
@@alyssawhalley858 meh i feel like alastor would win
How much do you want to overrate Alastor?
This guy: Yes
@@ghonnh20 pinned comment
He's a sinner so he could gain infinite power and vs other overlords he has made the most deals in the quickest time
@@Suchorex don’t they stop gaining power at being an overlord?
@Charcoal_dust no they can keep growing more powerfully but when a sinner gets enough power or takes over an industry, they are classed as an overlord
Real
Putting Alastor above the sins is crazy
No feats and statements (that I can find) if you’ve got them, link where you found them
@@DiamondHearted in Vivs patreon she stated that the sins draw power from the rings each ring's have stars in them which you can see in the background they also have there own space time continuem which is universal Alastor gets Negged by them
@@Helluva_Shorts unless you can provide me with a screenshot of this statement, I have no reason to believe you
@@Adrasfr he no diffs all the sins rn because they have no feats or statements, they don’t scale anywhere
@@Helluva_Shorts Can you send proof of this statement?
Finally someone who can actually give alastor a fair rating with concrete evidence to back it up..youve earned a sub my friend
The alastor meat riding is crazy
Did the editor not give believable evidence to support their claim?
Alastor meat riding is crazy
@user-rv1lr9cn6z ok..I want to be clear that while alastor may not be as powerful as the scale suggests..the creator GAVE SOLID EVIDENCE FROM THE SHOW, and ima believe that over people just saying meatriding
Vivienne said that sins>any sinner, also Goetia is stronger than any sinner. Also, many sinners are afraid of Zestial, which is an indicator that Zestial is much stronger than many overlords, including Alastor. I've never seen Alastor's strength so overstated.
@@Fishronchik she’s never said that and read the pinned comment
@@DiamondHearted yes she did said that sins>>>>>>>>>>>sinners and overlords, your pinned comment only proves that you are Alastor fangay
@@Melkorsolostheverse link where she said this
@@DiamondHearted And they will just ignore this and wont link anything sm convinced vox is the one running their accounts
@@DiamondHearted just because we didn't see sins fight that doesn't mean alastor wins
There is a fucking statement saying the sins> overlords
Where?
@@DiamondHeartednigga he literally made a tier of every demon in hell are fucking high
@@DiamondHeartedin official hierarchy of vivziepop
@@roccopezone8031 that has no statements saying it’s based on power
@@DiamondHeartedsomeone who understands what political status is
Finally
Endlich eine Person die meine Meinung mit diesem short geschildert hat, gut gemacht, pal :)
Fax, Alastor is one of the few in the verse with both feats and statements that actually show his power
Yo what editing app do you use? Alightmotion or CapCut? Nice edit ❤️
@@SlayerEdits_0 both
You know, the whole Adam fight seems rather dubious. It almost feels like Alastor threw the fight on purpose, especially when I can easily see him winning handily against the chief of the exorcists. His power set is more than sufficient to best Adam, he just didn't use it for whatever reason. Think about it.
Alastor could have:
1. Snapped his fingers and opened up numerous combat applicable portals to simply banish and absorb all of Adam's holy light blasts. Who knows, it might have even been possible for him to redirect holy light energy via portal reversal. That's one way to nullify all of Adam's blasts, as well as his holy light guitar slash.
2. Conjured building-sized dark tendrils to ensnare and hold adam in place, (like he did in tandem with his barrier earlier) completely immobilizing him in the process. With that done, one of the tendrils could have wrenched the angelic steel guitar out of a helpless Adam's hands and finished him off with it.
3. May I remind you that Alastor's dark barrier was impenetrable to angelic steel. That's right. None of the angels could break through it, even with their holy arms. This feat in particular makes me believe Alastor is actually more powerful than even the Ars Goetia AND 6 out of the 7 deadly sins! It took someone like Adam, a contemporary of Lilith in terms of power, to bring down Alastor's shield with a holy light-powered punch!
Adam = Lilith > 6 deadly sins and Ars Goetia
In conclusion, Alastor is easily the strongest overlord, sinner, and the 3rd most powerful entity in hell; right behind Charlie and Lucifer, since Lilith and Eve aren't in hell and it's debatable whether Alastor can take on Charlie or Lilith. (I believe he can, but not without great difficulty.)
Alastor loses to Adam 10 out of 10 times, he has no answer to a holy light beam, one of those and he dies, immediately
@@TheTruthWillSetYouFree1881 I’m not denying that alastor was holding back, but so was Adam, alastor has no win con, everything he does will just delay his inevitable loss
Alastor High-Extreme Diff (Asmodeus)
Alastor High-Extreme Diff (Mammon)
Alastor Extreme Diff (Beelzebub)
Nahh bro is obsessed with alastor💀💀💀
NO HATE BUT LMAO I LAUGHTED OUT WHEN ALASTOR WINNED OVER GOETIA, SINS, ANGELS AND EVEN LUCIFER💀😭😭
@@craniypsebdonim read pinned comment and actually watch the video, I never made Alastor beat lucifer 😭
@@craniypsebdonim Alastor beats all of them due to better feats
Feats>Statements
I would have the diff between Adam and Alastor be a lot closer (same with Lilith as well) though I agree with almost everything else there, good edit 👍
Strength hierarchy (not power/political) in my opinion:
1. God
2. Roo (if the theory that she is the embodiment of evil is true)
3. Seraphim (Elders/Seven Virtues) and Seven Deadly Sins
(Elders are seraphim. They all have six wings like Emily, Sera, Lucifer. They are six and Lucifer is shown like 7th. He was a virtue and Emily replaced him. Seven Deadly Sins are antipodes to Seven Virtues so they may be equals)
4. Archangels (Adam) and Kings of Ars Goetia (Paimon)
5. Strongest Overlords (Alastor, Vox, Zestial) and Princes/Marquises of Ars Goetia (Stolas, Vassago, Andrealphus)
(Viv said that Stolas MIGHT win Alastor. She said she never thought about that. So they are equals. It follows from this that Vox is also close in strength to Stolas, for he is Alastor's equal. Zestial survived Alastor's carnage of old Overlords so he may be stronger than Alastor, though stronger than Stolas)
6. Middle Overlords (Carmilla, Zizie, Rosie) and counts/barons of Goetia
7. Weakest Overlords (Valentino, Velvet, Husk) and nobles of Goetia like Stella
Alot of charatars shown in this edit ( great edit btw I agree on alot of it ) have not been shown woth there powers or full powers so its hard to make a final judgement on how they'd fight against alastor
Yeah, takes in this edit are subject to change as both shows progress
Stolas>Alastor Extreme Diff
(Stolas outscales badly plus has better Powers and Ap but it'll be close due to Alastor having combat exp)
Piamon>Alastor Mid-High Diff
(Same as Stolas he outscales badly+he is Stolas father so he is stronger than Stolas and has more experience)
Asmodeous, Mammon and Beelzebub>Alastor Low Diff
(Doesnt matter at all if they dont have feats, They have the power to rule an entire ring which is a better feat and statement than all of Alastor's)
Charlie>Alastor No-Low Diff
(Yes I get it bro Alastor is more experienced and skilled than Charlie but she has too much Durability and Endurance to be hurt by Alastor so he'll do not alot of damage and Charlie has too much strength and power so if she was done with Alastor she can basically one shot him due to having equal strength than Adam and we saw what Adam did to Alastor)
Honerable Mentions Are That Feats dont matter because Lilith has no feats at all and u over here saying She does diffs Alastor(She does tho) and u say that the Sins lose to Alastor, also another mention is Hirrachy=Power because we saw that Lucifer and Lilith are king and queen, the Sins are ruling an entire ring, Charlie is a Neliphim due to her Parents being an Angel and Human, and Stolas and Piamom have the grimrore scaling them higher than Alastor
1-Lucifer
2-Sera
3-Adam
4-Charlie(Currently)
5-Beelzebub
6-Mammon
7-Asmodeous
8-Piamon
9-Stolas
10-Alastor
Alastor is 10th in the verse so far buddy
@@Thazeldadebatertiktok69
1. What feats does Stolas have to outscale Alastor (I swear if you pull the loo loo land “feats”)
2. The only reason I have him at high diff is because of the grimoure, other than that he’s utterly featless
3. Ruling a ring ≠ power, would Henry VIII be above all of England because he ruled it?
4. While I can see where you’re going with that, as strength wise she would be equal to an injured Adam, Alastor is MASSIVELY faster then her and would just disarm her and use her own weapon against her
5. Lilith is at that diff because of a statement saying she’s equal to Adam (who obviously no diffs Alastor)
6. There is no evidence or statements saying that the hierarchy = power
7. Having Charlie at FOURTH is crazy 😭🙏
@@DiamondHearted 1-Yes its the Loo Loo land one but it did happen because in the episode that introduced he did something similar
2-Piamon destroys Alastor with the Grimoure plus Grimoure was stated to be "Unlimited Power" or something like that in the episode that, so Grimoure is about High Solar System Lvl or a bit higher
3 and 4: Charlie and The Sins are higher they have alot more Strength, Durability, and Power, they didnt show cause of writing
5: Hirrachy does mean Power for the love of God, look it up on the Hazbin Hotel Wiki and the Wiki is accurate lore, dont believe me idk what to tell u buddy
@@Thazeldadebatertiktok69
1. The loo loo land “feats” are invalid as there are NO INDICATIONS that stolas used his powers there, just a naturally occurring phenomenon
2. The grimoure doesn’t have infinite power, it’s a hyperbolic statement that contradicts Hazbin hotel narrative, so it’s invalid
3. “They are stronger but I have no feats to show they are!” So your point is irrelevant then
4. FAN WIKIS are not reliable sources as they are NOT official sources, only fanmade, so they are utterly irrelevant to use for evidence
Alastor really saying *f- the hierarchy*
Glad you put questions marks for the sins, because they have basically no feats. Hierarchy doesn’t equal power as you explain, and I love that idea in this. As a basis, I like to say Alastor can beat the three weakest sins, but can’t beat the top four.
I also agree that Alastor beats Stolas, it’s sort of like an Alastor vs Charlie scenario imo. In other words: both of his opponents definitely have the power to beat him, but due to their lack of ability control and little battle experience, Alastor would win.
Some of the feats that people bring up for stolas is “He flew as fast as a rocket,” or “He tanked a supernova,” which is just not true because it’s in a song. If we’re going by that logic, then Husk and Angel Dust can summon spotlights and signs out of nowhere, and we know that isn’t true because it’s PART OF THE SONG. Would you rather have a song where Stolas just flies around the room? No! Because you want cool visuals
Sometimes I think alastor fans and alastor has a way to big ego
Stolas and the other goetias + deadly sins can basically one tap him,especially lucifer
@@d4wn1ngdusk read the pinned comment
@@DiamondHearted 🤡🤓
@@Melkorsolostheverse no argument is crazy
@@DiamondHearted you're the one with no arguments and even if you have all of them are false
@@Melkorsolostheverse read the pinned comment you illiterate Neanderthal
For anybody who says stuff like “Stolas could tank a supernova,” or “Stolas could fly the same speed as a rocket ship,” it’s all special effects to make the song cooler. I mean if we’re going off that, then Husker and Angeldust can randomly summon signs out of f*cking nowhere. Songs are meant to look cool and highlight a key part of the song, not for power scaling. Also the fact that Stolas pretty much has no battle experience, and very little control over his power compared to Alastor. Here’s how the fight in general goes. *Stolas definitely has the power to defeat Alastor even without too many feats, but he lacks the skill and fighting experience to actually take Alastor down.* There are also those who bring up the podcast, in which in states “I think Stolas is stronger,” or something along the lines of that. Many people forget the fact though that this statement was an opinion, and the fact that right afterwards she said something along the lines of “I’m not sure though,” meaning they’re likely close in power. If Stolas was so unbelievably strong, there wouldn’t be a question of “not sure though,” it’d be a 100% fact. THATS my take on Stolas vs Alastor
Alastor can never beat the sins
@@NayaraMei-k7q pinned comment
@@DiamondHearted can’t handle criticism
@@Skeleton_Dustification ???
Stolas would 100 percent beat Alastor, his full form is TERRIFYING.
Man really thinks that Alostor is the most rural of all.
All deadly sins and charlies wins easy against alastor
Tbh,even stolas and andrealphus
It seriously surprises me how overrated Asta Storlas is and the Goetias are already at a level higher than star levels, things that no character in the Super Hotel at that time
Also the fact that they are comparing it to the deadly sins they are seriously buying a simple overlord with the reincarnations of sin is that it is seriously very overrated😂😂😂
The Deadly Sins win, THEY ARE THE DEADLY SINS AND ALASTOR IS A MORTAL SOUL
@@FlamesOfChoas12 read pinned comment
@@DiamondHeartedPinned coment my ass
I doubt Alastor can beat Stolas or Andrealphus, even Paimon and the Seven Deadly Sins, I see it difficult there.
He's definitely beating andre
Stolas Piamon Sins and Charlie>Alastor Buddy
Homelander victims
What
Fr almost all of em die to homelander
I love Alastor but Goetias ( Andrealphus Stolas etc... ) and sin prince take his tongue for wash the floor
And same for Charlie she just too kind for use his totally power attack
@@bluecapic pinned comment
shit, not a comparison of forces. Alastor is simply a sinner compared to the princes of hell and Goetia. In hell, hierarchy is an indicator of strength, since without strength it is impossible to control hell. Alastor fans are
Silly
@@MrBigshot-re3it pinned comment
🔥 edit man one of my favorites right now
All sins >>> Alastor
I found it absurd, I'm an Alastor fanboy and I think he would win the entire Goetia family, except for Stolas, according to Vizzie's confirmations, since Stolas is declared to be one or the strongest Goetia thanks to the grimore
FINALLY AN ALASTOR VS THE VERSE THAT IS ACTUALLY ACCURATE THANK GOD(ADAM IS MID-HIGH DIFF THOUGH)
Adam is no diff though, he wasn’t using his abilities at all during the fight, but when he did he one shot him, is he opens up the fight with a holy light beam, alastor is gonna die like pentious did
@@DiamondHearted I mean at the same time alastor wasn't taking adam seriously either and was arguably holding back even more, plus he wasn't using angelic weapons unlike everyone else
@@hyperkl1219 yeah but holy light beams are light speed, and Alastor can’t dodge that, so if Adam just opens up with one, he just one shots
@@DiamondHearted yeah but you could make the same argument for alastor
@@hyperkl1219 you really can’t, alastor is faster yeah, but he’s not blitzing Adam
Аластор ещё максимально не раскрытый персонаж и пока рано судить кого он может победить а кого нет.
We all know that stolas could grab alastor and put his head on a wood board like they have in wooden huts and its the same with husk. He just never uses his full power in the series (i think he does like once but its probably not all of his power)
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This sad bc Alastor had no feats that prove he can beat anything higher than a sinner😔
In my opinion Stolas and the sins > Alastor
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@@DiamondHearted I know but with their rank, potential, abilities, and weapons still makes me think that they are stronger
@@SnoopHoopEditz their rank doesn’t mean anything
Man we don't even know how strong full power Alastor is 😭 🙏
sins>Alastor
My opinion
it's a fact
This goes insanely hard. The transitions are great
Biggest Alastor fanatic
I feel like just because we dont see them fight doesn't mean their weaker. The 7 deadly sins are more powerful in my opinion but there is a chance Alastor can overthrow Zestial despite the small indications hes scared of him.
W ❤ but Adam> Alastor hard diff, because Alastor did not have an angelic weapon and he could not inflict anything on Adam, otherwise they would have fought almost on equal terms...
Holy light beams one shot
Low diff
Negative diff
Adam slams stop meat riding
For the sins it's just cap.
The sins scaling above pretty much everyone below them in their Hierarchy and 2ndly they scale above their own rings easily.
Also you did Andreplahus dirty 😭
Family goetia and family lucifer + seven deaddly sins VS alastor = dont win Alastor
@@Il_Piccone read pinned comment
@@DiamondHearted ok
The fandom overvalues Alastor so much💀
Srry but Stolas wins against Alastor
yeah
Sins is the strongest characters
alright some of this was right until he got to stolas because stolas stomps alastor possibly mid diff and his father stomps alastor low diff the sins all stomp him no diff and the rest is fax
@@SiylesALs read pinned comment
I love how so many people are saying “FINALLY ALASTOR GETTING THE RESPECT HE DESERVES” When in reality, he gets the most glaze and fanboy/girling out of ANY Hazbin character. Prove me wrong I’d like to see you try 😭
@@ExoticSshadow all my proof is in the pinned comment but since you’ve disregarded and haven’t given any evidence yourself, I’ll say it here, Alastor no diffs all the sins (except lucifer because he actually HAS scaling) as their feats do not compare to Alastors, they have no statements that put them above him and no narrative to, the hierarchy isn’t based on power, there are no statements or anything saying it does, and the definition of a hierarchy is one of political and social power, so by default it would be this type of hierarchy until stated otherwise by either a character or vivzi
@@DiamondHearted Everything you just said had absolutely nothing to do with people saying that Alastor gets no respect but that’s for the sentence anyway?
@@ExoticSshadow people say he’s a Stolas victim (even vivzi herself says she doesn’t know who wins 😭🙏) people saying CARMILLIA AND ZESTIAL beat him when they either have no good feats (Carmilla) or no feats at all (Zestial) so people are right as he’s massively underrated by way too many people
@@DiamondHearted when looking at the show, I guess but at the fan base, Alastor get a LOT of recognition for sure
A mortal soul cannot defeat the sins or the hoethia
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mamoon and beelze>alastor
Charlie>Alastor
In my opinion, I think Charlie would be Alastor in a battle
Alastor cant defeat 7 deadly sins and goethia family
@@DemoCan2 read the pinned comment
Full power ❌ full potential and with angelic weapons ✔️✔️
Charile is the princess of hell. She's high diff to alastor. Not an opinion a fact.
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I guess mid to high dif since she doesn't have much experience in combat and she is naive
AAAAAA ALASTR ❤❤❤❤
adam would lose because if alastor had used some angelic weapon adam would have died
Adam points a finger at Alastor and he dies, Alastor can’t beat Adam
@@DiamondHeartedglad this is the only sense you seem to be making in this comment
@@ArtisHicks-st6hm read pinned comment if you disagree with anything
@@DiamondHearted I been read it and I say everything is bullshit
@@ArtisHicks-st6hm tell me why you think that
Так даже Вивьен говорила, что Астер намного слабее грехов.
HOW MUCH DO PEOPLE HAVE TO MEAT RIDE ALASTOR
I BET THERE IS GOING TO BE A SHORT THAT SAYS HE CAN BEAT GOKU AND VEGETA EASILY
Icl I used to wank him but now I know his like city level maybe higher in the future but for now city level
Saw one that he says beats Kratos💀
Great edit but Stolas, Andrealphus, the Sins beat Alastor ❤
its crazy to me how many people are saying shit like ''sins > alastor'' ''zestial > alastor'' ''vox > alastor'' like bro Alastor not only has narative but he has feats aswell, bro was dominating adam in first half of their fight, and he has overlod position only cuz of his power
Just because Alastor doesn't let him release his full power because of the treatment he is
Adam literally beat Alastor, Charlie fought LONGER so she would beat Alastor.
@@amirahalizamagicalworld114 she didn’t fight longer, she did significantly worse
@@DiamondHearted but Charlie lasted longer. That’s what I mean.
@@amirahalizamagicalworld114 she didn’t? She also fought an Adam who had no weapons a weaker Adam and did worse, the only hit she got off Adam was an offguard attack, she did significantly worse
@@DiamondHearted and Alastor also got an off guard hit too. They both got the same attack, yet Charlie still lasted longer than alastor
@@amirahalizamagicalworld114 Alastor did get offguard attacks, but he used another one of his abilities (shadow minions) to make those openings, Charlie only got her attack off because Adam was yapping, after that, an injured and unarmed Adam no diffed her, Charlie couldn’t dodge his attacks, Alastor can, it’s clear as day who did better against Adam
Stolas is kinda more powerful then alastor😊
@@juliemaxine pinned comment
La justificación de este tipo es: Es que los otros no tienen hazañas 🗿
"Hiecharcy is not same as power" they say...
To be honest this is why he is overrated...(Sorry but not sorry) Dont get me wrong, Alastor is my favorite character too but.... this is a bit....yeah no..
Y es ridículo, porque no se ha visto nada del poder goetia, pecado o de la familia real en todo su esplendor
Charlie es la protagonista, es obvio que no sería todo poderosa en la primera temporada, ella ni siquiera sabe manejar su poder, y los pecados deben estar mínimo superior a Adam ya que solo están por debajo de la familia Real
Al único con que Alastor estaría más igualado es stolas, pero Paimon se lo sigue soleando ( Conoce todos los secretos goetia)
Y ni siquiera es el overlord más fuerte, que quede claro, no es lo mismo acabar con un montón de overlords que con la Realeza del infierno...
This is probably the most factual opinion on Alastor I've ever seen AND one of the best edits you've ever done, W as usual🔥🔥🔥
Ah yes. Alastor, who does not have the means to harm angels, goetia or sins, would beat them in a fight 😌
@@borderjay1758 he has access to angelic weapons and has hurt exorcists without them
Alastor is a radio demon, if he almost defeated the angelic army what more in the future
Ngl this edit is too old, the IMP managed to fck with a goetic demon, alastor's not even the strongest overlord, with a feat like that I'd say Alastor's hopes are fucked.
@HeindrichClarenzeAlanis Alastor slams andfraudus
@HeindrichClarenzeAlanis and Alastor is the strongest overlord, or at worst for him second strongest
I feel like it was mid diff for Adam, based off of the fact that Charlie did just as well and Alastor low diffs her.
at full potential negs everyone except Lucifer and possibly sera (low diff for sins and adam)
A full potential Alastor means she made a deal with everyone in Hell, including Lucifer, and became even more powerful.
The meat riding is absolutely insane
Honestly Adam Smasher victim Ngl
@@ArtisHicks-st6hmbla bla 🥱🥱shut up
Low diff Carmilla is crazy 😭😂 she’s more powerful than him sorry
I love this type of edits
Bro Alastor can not beat Charlie at full power even if Alastor is full power… Adam pretty much negs diff him… He nearly took Alastor out… The fight was short and was only abo ur a minute than Alastor retreats… Zestial wins Alastor is literally scared of him and acts super polite around him… Carmilla can beat him for obvious reasons she is the leader of the overlords… Asmodeus easily wins he’s literally the king of hell… Many people around the world say Asmodeus is the king of hell some say Lucifer is king or sometimes emperor… So Asmo wins… Why is this even a question… And Mammon, Stolas, Paimon and, Beelzebub easily wins like why is this even a question…
Overall this guy is an Alastor fan like almost any other average Hazbin Hotel fan… Most of them like Alastor…
@@khoapham1438 Jesus Christ what is this abundance of misinformation you’ve spouting out? Charlie did WORSE against Adam, you have no way of proving Zestial wins, Alastor widening his eyes isn’t evidence, it could just mean he’s surprised to see him, and him being polite doesn’t mean he’s scared 😭🙏 he’s nice to Rosie, does that mean she’s stronger? No of course not, it’s stupid logic, Ozzie isn’t the king of hell, that’s objectively incorrect, Lucifer is, and Ozzie (and the rest of the sins except lucifer) have NO SCALING, they get bodied by Alastor currently
Tbh i feel like millie could stand a chance.
Obviously alastor would win, but i feel like millie could scuff him up a bit
@@Someonethathastoexist Millie dies immediately
I would assume both are on the same lvl because alastor nedds angelic weapons to damge or hurt stolas in anyway but stolas has no visible statements he'd win alastor has more fighting experiance and statements but its a 50/50 chance either way☠️
Do you guys think stolas is used as an example that the hiarcy (Can't spell) isn't based on power, as without his book he's defenseless, like when striker ambushed him his first instinct was to flee instead of attacking the imp that he's never heard of (i know striker had angelic weapons but if i remember correctly stolas didn't notice and striker explained about the lasso or something like that and stolas was bamboozled. Or am i just overthinking this and I'm no where near
hey bro, did you know that someone copied your edit without you realizing it?
@@Simputterfly wait really? Can you link the video please?
@@DiamondHearted th-cam.com/users/shortsHmI2qvrNUzA?si=bUdsv0TrsDJzIhBd
@@DiamondHearted here it is. (If it doesn't appear, press the most recent comments button to see if the link appears
th-cam.com/users/shortsHmI2qvrNUzA?si=bUdsv0TrsDJzIhBd
HOW IS ALASTOR VS CHARLIE NO DIFF? HOW?
Charlie is Lucifer's Daughter and she showed a bit of power defeating Adam in the end
Do you remember who beated Alastor? YES ADAM
Charlie has much more power than Alastor
Also the Sins would wipe the floor with him like Adam did
@@ghonnh20 please rewatch the show, Charlie didn’t beat adam, she did worse against him
Erm….. stolas Charlie Lucifer Carmilla zestial and every SDS > Alastor……I swear Alastor gets favored so baddd
@@ExoticSshadow read the pinned comment
@@DiamondHeartedit still doesn’t really make sense to be honest
The glazing was actually crazy in this video back then
I see you everywhere now bro 💀
@@SpaceGfan 💀💀💀
Me re encanta estos videos y mas cuando gana el papucho de alastor
THE GLAZING IS INSANE
It was actually proven by vivsypop that Charlie and stolas are more powerful than Alastor :/
@@Allen_Alastor_Simp pinned comment
Будем объективны: Аластор, несмотря на свою пиздатость, всё-таки смертный грешник. Он точно не вытягивает Адама, слишком "толстокожего" и мощного; Люцифера, протёршего пол Адамом; Сэры, которая является древним серафимом. Противники уровнем ниже, чем Адам, должны объединиться. Например, у "V" есть шансы при использовании всех доступных резервов, хотя Аластор сможет ускользнуть в случае поражения.
W edit 👌
But maybe just little details for me that doesn’t fit very well. If we are talking about Full Power Alastor, then its more like :
-Lilith wins - Neg diff (she’s literaly the Queen of Hell)
-Adam wins - Low or Mid diff (again its Full Power Alastor)
-Sera wins - No diff (She’s less powerful than Lucifer, but more than Adam, so its between them)
Stand! Charlie is stronger than Alastor! She's the princess of hell! And Alastor is simply an overlord! Hello!!! Where are your brains?!!!
@@Анджела-ю33 instead of insults, how about you justify your take?
Paimon is the strongest goetia besides bael, and a few others, who sre practically actual gods, and according to the lesser key of Solomon is pretty much Lucifers direct fucking right hand. Al loses to him,
Every single sin bodies him
As of now we know al "almost" beat vox that one time, the best way you can make that look for Al is that he lost to all 3 of the vs at once if val and vel helped vox,
Andre probably does lose, he doesn't seem all too strong for a goetia, so that ill let slide.
Zestial and carmine both have the potential to be above him, based on the fact that zestial intimidated alastor in the scene they shared together, I assume that zestial logically wins, it wouldn't make sense otherwise, carmine is debatable,
Saying your gonna give him the win due to lack of feats is delusional though , Viv may suck at power scaling, but she basically said al vs stolas would be a close fight, saying al beats sins is saying stolas does, and stolas doesn't fucking beat any sins lmao, the lack of feats argument isnt gonna hold up ever, viv may suck at powerscaling but even she wouldnt have an overlord beat a sin 💀
Goofy ahh takes
I think everyone knows that sins and goetia can wash a floor wigh any sinner
Stolas and Charlie and seven deadly sins IS superior than alastor because Charlie are injured Adam and stolas IS ars goetia and the ars goetia>>>overlord
@@KurosakiChannel7026 read pinned comment
Saying Adam beats Alastor no diff feels wrong bc he almost beat him in the show. Adam still wins, but I’d say it’s closer to mid or high diff. Alastor held his own for a while.
Alastor beats Lilith and Adam in 1v2
Algo qué la gente tiene que aceptar es que alastor no llega ni al top 30 de los mas fuertes
HELLURA BoSS❤️❤️❤️