holy...i've forgotten this movie exists! These are some very confusing and weird replies but at least u reminded me to finally watch this movie. also, quick aside, this was apparently based on a novel that's about a _fictional_ account of Marie Antoinette's last days in power. So maybe it's ok if the filmmakers have some lee-way when it comes to historical revisionism.
I loved this one. You can almost smell the body odor and bad breath. This film really captured the panic, confusion, and non information swirling around during the early stages of the Revolution.
same! That was what i was thinking when i saw the proximity between the characters lol But NOOOO, cause i cant unsee it now, it seems less romantic and im getting 2nd hand embarrassment
This makes me think of a writer I used to read who had exclusively sad stories where the leads always died. I had about 18-20 of her books and a box of tissues and some Hershey bars (or Mr. Goodbars, depending on the phase) on that shelf, because I knew if I was reaching for one of those books, I’d need to have comfort chocolate and a full box of tissues to cry into. Tylenol also helps the dehydration cry-headaches. 😂 Sometimes you’ve just gotta watch/read stuff you know will make you cry. 🤷🏻♀️
i only understood: Merci, s'il vou plait, allez-vous en, pardonnez-moi, cafe, je mon nom Sidone and oui. I guess your right. Cause usually i just understand merci, bonjour and oui :) The story was different from what i expected, maybe cause of the trailer
This movie is exquisite, a real pearl, highly recommended. Made apparently for French audience, so for the other nations it was possible to see it at French film festivals, etc. Not only that Leas Seydoux has showed here she is amazing actress, even before Blue is the warmest color, but also Diane Kruger impressed me, gave a different view on Marie Antoinette, showed her as a real member of high class, destined to disappear, tragic not only for her tragic death, but also for her tragic private life. The script is unbelievable intriguing, and its really worth seeing.
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This is an interpolation...we don't necessarily think for sure she had this, but this is trying to explain how women were with each other in this period. Much like Tipping the Velvet, this is trying understand sexuality, this could be real. There are documents and evidence that could somewhat support this but in closed doors what do we know when it's not written? I saw this and it was a brilliantly acted period piece and very authentic to some of the details.
oh so you consider german, french and english as "all languages" ? many europians speak different languages, its not special or unique... maybe for americans, yeah ...
Andrea Prince Do you know the word "hyperbole" ? Also I'm not American, I'm from Europe. An no, speaking french, german and english fluently is not just standard in Europe.
Andrea Prince it's a gift I must say...I,myself speaks English,Norwegian and Spanish...and I'm a Filipino...in my country we have english as our second language.Learning another language and being fluent with it would be delightful ability for most of us.
+Frida Trolle In the Netherlands is it very normal to speak three to four langauges. The languages you get to learn in High School are: German, Dutch, English and French. If you want, you can choose to learn in high school in the Netherlands are: Spanish, Manderin and Japanese.
I saw this today. Excellent excellent performances by Diane Kruger specifically. Wow. And she is just drop dead gorgeous. The film was intense. Very well shot. Amazing film, this.
She's amazing. I'm embarrassed, because I had never seen her til I played the game "Death Stranding". 🤦🏻♀️🥴🎮 But I absolutely LOVED her character in that.
This was actually a good movie. I didn't know what I was getting into when started. But the tension was great as well as the longing of the main character. Really fun watch.
sexuality is not a box, there's not need to label it and Marie Antoniette's sexual orientantion is uncertain, as a human, she is capable of loving and maybe, she loved a woman and she loved a man, does that make her bisexual? we'll never know, she is the only one who could have answer that question and she died in 1793. Stop arguing about her sexuality, it doesn't matter, remember her as the intelligent and special woman she was, not who she loved.
She is remembered as the intelligent and special woman. But there's nothing bad in being interested in historical character's life. And no one has a problem with her sexuality, they just want to show the less known facts about her. That's of course bcoz she was an interesting and remarkable character.
Im a huge admirer of Marie Antoinette and she is not remember for her intelligence in any way shape of form. Her resolve was strong in her last days but she was also a firm believer in the divine right of kings. An idea which had been abandoned by most developed monarchies even by the late 18th century. She was a scapegoat and a tragic figure of the revolution and hugely misunderstood.
Lea Seydoux deserves a Cesar and an Oscar nod for this movie. The Oscar is an elusive fantasy at this point, but the Cesar is a possibility. She's wonderful.
Isn't it fine to just watch this for entertainment and a good story. Is a discussion on her actual sexual orientation really necessary？ and does it matter? not only is it something personal for her, she's also dead.
In order to have a deeper view of a person, sometimes you have to examine the types of relationships they had, whether platonic or sexual; it can add another dimension to a character that has been mainly viewed and judged by her notoriety. Also, it can be used to present culture and morality of that time more clearly
Loved that film even if the reality is Marie-Antoinette was in love with Axel Von Fersen (their letters are so sweet and you can feel the love and adoration they had for each other)
she was in love with her best friend, there’s a bunch of letters between them also during her execution, the streets were full of drawings of them having sexual relationships to be seen as something shameful (which is not but yknow those were different times). she loved both of them, but her “best friend” was something more intimate
*curious why TH-cam suggested me this Now like after this many years* ;-;. But I'm glad to see the girl from Blue us the warmest color but I'm yet not ready to be sad again
Um guys, movies are made up. If it wants to have her riding dragons, not dying and being gay well it's called imagination. Since when does art have to reflect reality 100%? It's just an interesting story someone thought would be cool as a movie. I don't see based on a true story anywhere.
That was in reply to people complaining about historical inaccuracies and Yes. Yes I do. And the queen is clearly interested in girls. At the very least she's not straight.
+sockester234 This isn't exactly "historically inaccurate" as there were pornographic pamphlets distributed at the time depicting Marie Antoinette and Duchess de Polignac's "lesbian activities". Though they were entirely baseless, and no proof existed besides the fact that Polignac was Marie's favourite. So... though it doesn't say "based on a true story", there is some real-life ties to the story and it's origins (even tho they were made up from someones imagination at the time as well lmao)
+Onism I know what you mean and you do have a point!!! But, I believe he uses 'gay' as the same way as people could use 'guys' in a group of friends, even though there are girls in the group. He should have used Lesbian, bi, pan or homoseksual, but he used gay. Not really a big deal, because he just meant 'same-sex attrection', not 'she is a man and is attracted to man'. so, for short; It doesn't matter how people uses the term gay, as long as it is not ignorant or hurtfull. Besides; gay also means happy..... maybe he meant that she could have been happy! But, I doubt that, because this movie seems like a drama. In drama's people are never truly happy/gay
Because sexuality is not defined by whom you have sex with, but by whom you're attracted to. People who have threesomes or go to orgies, are not necessarily gay or bisexual, but they go there just for the sake of sex. On the other hand, if you "love another woman" then you can't define yourself as heterosexual (and there's nothing wrong with that).
+Like a Jo Bo Not many people understand this, unfortunately. The world is infatuated with the concept of "turning" gay when it is convenient for them to or when they wish to denounce a previous relationship. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to just come out and say they're bisexual. Maybe because they believe they won't be trusted by either sex as a dating option. Who knows.
+Catartist154321 thank you so much for understanding and replying. I identify as lesbian and when I came out my mom demanded me to "just change then" . It's also because of that, that comments like that upset me. If one could choose to be gay or straight, why would they be gay then and face all the violence and struggle that comes with it... 💕
Like a Jo Bo Because now it isn't such a struggle anymore. Yes, there are people fighting for the right to hold their heads high in public after telling those close to them about their homosexuality. But that's the small percentage that can truly tell you "I am literally not attracted in the least to the opposite sex." The rest of the percentage runs around demanding everything. No offense to anyone, but the LGBT group has absolutely destroyed the image of homosexuals. They demand and parade themselves around like lords and impose this idea of superiority on the young children. I can comprehend seeing a difference in your child and paying close attention if he/she is acting a particular way to the same sex. I can't comprehend teaching 5 years olds about it (or any other sexual matter, for that fact) and imposing this idea that you almost... need to try to be gay in order to make sure that you're not.
I guess there are very few of us :/... anyway, I really wanna see it, I always enjoy a good french film and Virginie Ledoyen and Diane Kruger are such good actresses ^^
Okay I have both a Neg/Pos point about movies like this. The Negative - it makes me question my knowledge of history and the Positive - it makes me research my knowledge of history. That means I have turned a Negative into a Positive. Love it.
I always like france revolution based story especially about marie antoinette. This caught my heart when i read japanese comic named rose of versailles tht i seached history books about it. This story told about other side of marie antoinette's with madame polignac i think? 🤔
Absolutely! I put my words very bluntly in my previous reaction, I did not mean that sexuality is defined ONLY by how you act - however most people do define it like that (I think). For example, when a man and a woman are in a relationship, people will assume they are both heterosexual, while one or both can just as well be bisexual.
a selfish indulgent woman of her time and molded to fit in Marie was classic in history. Kirsten Dunst isnt in this version but Diana Kruger who is in fact german. looks like a good piece. set to the music of the wedding-end titles in 1997's "Elizabeth"
sorry i will speak on behalf of the people of france and the gay community , this film is inspired by a novel of chantal thomas and will therefore be somewhat true story of france and even if marie antoinette was the lesbian , judge on what she could do and not on her sexual orientation
stephane saliques I read her biography by the famous historian Antonia Fraser. Marie Antoinette did only have one affair and that was with Count Fersen. Anything else was put about by her enemies
@MyMoravia No she wasn't. It was rumored she was due to her close relationship with woman of the court, and she was also first queen ever to wear pants.
It was not uncommon in that time period. It was only taboo to be open about it, not to engage in it privately. And for the aristocracy everything was permittable. Rampant homophobia came later in the Victorian Era when there was a new obsession with hygiene and 'bodily fluids'. And then of course in the 1950s when it was seen a s a mental illness like schizophrenia.
I'm gay and of course have no problem with it, but this isn't for the gay community or gay filmmakers to 'Find their moment' like sit down... don't take a legend of history and display her to the whole world that she was something she was not just so you can make a buck. I've become a HUGE fan and admirer of Marie and have learned quite a great deal about her amazing life and story. I'm not mad that this plain movie is just simply all about the idea of her being a lesbian, but that its horribly untrue to her real life's remarkable story. Such a disgrace and dishonor. Somewhere in France Marie is turning over in her grave.
+Travis Woodbeck "HUGE fan and admirer of Marie and have learned quite a great deal about her amazing life and story" "I'm not mad that this plain movie is just simply all about the idea of her being a lesbian, but that its horribly untrue to her real life's remarkable story" * This movie is based on REAL pamphlets (though created baselessly at the time, and only using the fact that the Duchess de Polignac was Marie's favourite ) used to "slander" Marie Antoinette, and this you would know if you've learnt about her as thoroughly as one would believe you would if you were, quote, such a "HUGE fan and admirer" * This movie isn't entirely baseless as you think, Please see below: By the late 1780s, thousands of pornographic pamphlets alleged that Gabrielle (Duchess de Polignac) was the queen's lesbian lover, and, although there was no evidence to back up these accusations, they did immeasurable damage to the prestige of the monarchy, especially given the deep-rooted suspicion of homosexuality held by the bourgeoisie and urban working-classes at the time.
So your telling me, just because marie was so close with Gabrielle Du Polignac (which I'm highly aware of, thank you) and that idiotic and mindless pamphlets that were pretty much the equivalent of trashy magazines of today (lies and rumors) that it's possible this whole things is true? Please, take many seats. That doesn't say anything or give any sort of logical back up that Marie Antoinette was gay in the slightest. Most times than not when someone sees a historical film about a historical figure that they know nothing about its usually the only information they hold about that person afterwards. So making a film like this with no logical base or any sort of real facts is wreck less and sad, all for a buck and to inflame some directors ego who really has no idea what was going on and did absolutely no research
Travis Woodbeck and I quote: "(though created baselessly at the time, and only using the fact that the Duchess de Polignac was Marie's favourite)" I have, myself, stated that it was baselessly made, and simply used as slander against Marie Antoinette. I'm telling you that the movie isn't entirely baseless historically or just something someone pulled out of their "imagination" (meaning the writer or whomever came up with this film, as I've already stated the original pamphlets were baseless) The director/whomever obviously did enough research to know about the pamphlets, as if he/she didn't, the idea that "Marie is gay for Polignac" would really have been sprouted from nowhere. This movie is based off the "idea" from those trashy pamphlets that Marie and Polignac were a fling. Those pamphlets historically exist, and so therefore this story has some historical basis wether or not the base was originally right or wrong to begin. Thanks for shooting over the points I had originally made only for you to pretty much repeat what I said, still avoiding the original point, and then me having to repeat it all. TLDR; There is a historical basis for the idea of this movie. Thanks.
No.. Try the handmaiden.. Both the Korean film and English film. Both are amazing. I'm afraid I can't choose which I like best. There's more in that time period just can't think of the names.
I´m very used to read serious biografies of Marie Antoniette. Evelyne Lever, Jean Plaidy and others. None of them even suggested lesbianism with Madame Polignac! It´s a pity a movie with that gorgeous art direction, figurines and mainly location (Versailles and Petit Trianon themselves!) instead of approaching true or at least interesting aspects of that crazy period of France, spend time with unbelievable theories for intimate aspects of Antoniette's life. I don't think the french people will appreciate it.
actually at the time there were pamphlets that suggested a relationship between the queen and the duchess, though it was probably a lie to ruin her reputation ( like the necklace incident and the "eat cake" thing) and didn't you found this movie interesting? besides the lesbian relationship i really though the point of view it shows ( of the servants) was its biggest score, showing how the life in the palace was and all, i believe the romance was the less important point
rarifica Paris was and is very loose sexually and the people wanted to go after her. They did porn about her fucking everyone probably her brother too.
This movie never actually claims the Queen was a lesbian. Obviously it is heavily suggested, but it could also be inferred that the Queen was so infatuated because she lacked close relationships at court. Polignac offered a glimpse at a life without the burdens of royalty, and she was in love with the idea that the Duchess didn't treat her as a Queen. I hope people can see the complexity of the situation.
She had a serious lover though, it was heavily documented, they even try to say that that guy fathered her son. They theorize that she might have been a lesbian because there was alot of sexual licentious in her court, and you are what your court does.She picked the court that she did because of the way they treated her if you actually watch the MA movie they show that. She is more of a tragic historical figure that the directors all refuse to take seriously so they put her in these things.
Literally France couldn't care less if she was bi or not. I'm French and really happy to see a film taking place in that period of time featuring two women attracted to each other. Is it historically accurate? Maybe it is, maybe it's not! But was every historical film ever made historically accurate? Of course not! Even film like "Troy", based on a fiction, erase gay characters, like Achilles and Patroclus, for the sake of erasing them. Just say you're uncomfortable with two women loving each other and go
It's only recently (well, the past 50 years) that art historians have been making a distinction between the two. the art of say 1760 is too different from the one in say 1700, not just esthatically, but also in the thinking behind it.
would really love to watch this movie sadly however i do not speak french so if anyone knows any site in which i could watch this in english sub perhaps? It would be much obliged cheers.
a movie about the french that's ACTUALLY french??? count me in!
Pink Diamond But it's about the French Revolution
Diane Kruger is German, Marie Antoinette is Austrian. Have you not known history? or you make movies as your source? lol
holy...i've forgotten this movie exists! These are some very confusing and weird replies but at least u reminded me to finally watch this movie. also, quick aside, this was apparently based on a novel that's about a _fictional_ account of Marie Antoinette's last days in power. So maybe it's ok if the filmmakers have some lee-way when it comes to historical revisionism.
I loved this one. You can almost smell the body odor and bad breath.
This film really captured the panic, confusion, and non information swirling around during the early stages of the Revolution.
same! That was what i was thinking when i saw the proximity between the characters lol
But NOOOO, cause i cant unsee it now, it seems less romantic and im getting 2nd hand embarrassment
Why u say that ?bad breath??
I'm probably gonna cry for this one-sided love affair film but its ok, i have my blanket, my stuffed animal and plenty of water to refill my tears.
This makes me think of a writer I used to read who had exclusively sad stories where the leads always died. I had about 18-20 of her books and a box of tissues and some Hershey bars (or Mr. Goodbars, depending on the phase) on that shelf, because I knew if I was reaching for one of those books, I’d need to have comfort chocolate and a full box of tissues to cry into. Tylenol also helps the dehydration cry-headaches. 😂 Sometimes you’ve just gotta watch/read stuff you know will make you cry. 🤷🏻♀️
@@SunflowerSpotlight May I ask which author you mean? Sounds interesting to me
@@blue-grey6656 maybe it's Catherine Cookson.
@@irenedevilliers1674 Thank you. Totally forgot about that comment :)
been watching a lot of french movies and for once i thought i understood french, but didnt realize i was reading the subtitles T-T
It was a lot clearer than usual stuff. They speak so fast and abbreviate words. This was proper and slower, probs cause Kruger is German.
i only understood: Merci, s'il vou plait, allez-vous en, pardonnez-moi, cafe, je mon nom Sidone and oui. I guess your right. Cause usually i just understand merci, bonjour and oui :) The story was different from what i expected, maybe cause of the trailer
very cute and funny
Oh you slow
🤣🤣🤣🤣 same here
This movie is exquisite, a real pearl, highly recommended. Made apparently for French audience, so for the other nations it was possible to see it at French film festivals, etc. Not only that Leas Seydoux has showed here she is amazing actress, even before Blue is the warmest color, but also Diane Kruger impressed me, gave a different view on Marie Antoinette, showed her as a real member of high class, destined to disappear, tragic not only for her tragic death, but also for her tragic private life. The script is unbelievable intriguing, and its really worth seeing.
scrolling through the comment section like.... d'you guys even know the B in LGBT?
tip: its not bees.
*BIBRAIN!*
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pretty damn sure it's bees
WasteLand it's bisexual
B stands for bisexual
This is an interpolation...we don't necessarily think for sure she had this, but this is trying to explain how women were with each other in this period. Much like Tipping the Velvet, this is trying understand sexuality, this could be real. There are documents and evidence that could somewhat support this but in closed doors what do we know when it's not written? I saw this and it was a brilliantly acted period piece and very authentic to some of the details.
So Diane Kruger just speaks ALL languages????
she was born in Germany but moved to England for an exchange program and after that moved to France for modelling.
oh so you consider german, french and english as "all languages" ? many europians speak different languages, its not special or unique... maybe for americans, yeah ...
Andrea Prince Do you know the word "hyperbole" ? Also I'm not American, I'm from Europe. An no, speaking french, german and english fluently is not just standard in Europe.
Andrea Prince it's a gift I must say...I,myself speaks English,Norwegian and Spanish...and I'm a Filipino...in my country we have english as our second language.Learning another language and being fluent with it would be delightful ability for most of us.
+Frida Trolle In the Netherlands is it very normal to speak three to four langauges. The languages you get to learn in High School are: German, Dutch, English and French. If you want, you can choose to learn in high school in the Netherlands are: Spanish, Manderin and Japanese.
I saw this today. Excellent excellent performances by Diane Kruger specifically. Wow. And she is just drop dead gorgeous. The film was intense. Very well shot. Amazing film, this.
For those asking about the music towards the end of the trailer: that's Mozart's Requiem ;-)
The movie looks great, but I'm actually just here for Léa, I have a huge crush on her 🙈💕
Same. She's bae
same
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Andrea Araiza same here hahaahaa after i watch the blue is warmest colour😃😃😂😂😂😂
She's amazing. I'm embarrassed, because I had never seen her til I played the game "Death Stranding". 🤦🏻♀️🥴🎮 But I absolutely LOVED her character in that.
This was actually a good movie. I didn't know what I was getting into when started. But the tension was great as well as the longing of the main character. Really fun watch.
Why do I feel like this was the favorite before the favorite
sexuality is not a box, there's not need to label it and Marie Antoniette's sexual orientantion is uncertain, as a human, she is capable of loving and maybe, she loved a woman and she loved a man, does that make her bisexual? we'll never know, she is the only one who could have answer that question and she died in 1793. Stop arguing about her sexuality, it doesn't matter, remember her as the intelligent and special woman she was, not who she loved.
She is remembered as the intelligent and special woman. But there's nothing bad in being interested in historical character's life. And no one has a problem with her sexuality, they just want to show the less known facts about her. That's of course bcoz she was an interesting and remarkable character.
boi i shipp her with Fersen ;^;
@@shramanamondal4624 Less known "facts"? That's a stretch.
Im a huge admirer of Marie Antoinette and she is not remember for her intelligence in any way shape of form. Her resolve was strong in her last days but she was also a firm believer in the divine right of kings. An idea which had been abandoned by most developed monarchies even by the late 18th century. She was a scapegoat and a tragic figure of the revolution and hugely misunderstood.
i just love this type of time settings.
Ah, I've been waiting for this movie for so long. I can't wait!
I saw this and it was a brilliantly acted period piece and very authentic to some of the details. Saw movie using boxy software...
Lea Seydoux deserves a Cesar and an Oscar nod for this movie. The Oscar is an elusive fantasy at this point, but the Cesar is a possibility. She's wonderful.
It’s funny how a king can have up to 5 women as misters
But a woman could have a girl as a best friend!
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There are a lot of rumors about her having mistresses and secret relationships with women such as Yolande-Gabrielle de Polignac, though.
Isn't it fine to just watch this for entertainment and a good story.
Is a discussion on her actual sexual orientation really necessary？ and does it matter? not only is it something personal for her, she's also dead.
Good comment
Julie Chen she was a person not a movie charcter. Shall we do the same for your dead great great great grandmother?
So by that logic it would be perfectly fine if someone made a movie about Eleanor Roosevelt as a furrie?
Yes. It is neccesary, as it was a lie conceived deliberately to tarnish Her and the Royal Court. She was not a postmodern minded zombie, you know?
In order to have a deeper view of a person, sometimes you have to examine the types of relationships they had, whether platonic or sexual; it can add another dimension to a character that has been mainly viewed and judged by her notoriety. Also, it can be used to present culture and morality of that time more clearly
i love this movie lea is my fave french actress
this actually seems like a very interesting movie, with a great story, i would honestly prefer to read the book if i find it.
The poor servant girl was conned into wearing the Duchess green dress. Imagine what they did to her?
Diane was born for this type of movies, she looks stunning as Marie Antoniette
Such massive usage of extras ... remarkable. Looks like they shooting on location, as well
OMG???!!! HOW COME I'VE ONLY SEEN THIS NOW?????
Loved that film even if the reality is Marie-Antoinette was in love with Axel Von Fersen (their letters are so sweet and you can feel the love and adoration they had for each other)
She could have loved both.
she was in love with her best friend, there’s a bunch of letters between them also during her execution, the streets were full of drawings of them having sexual relationships to be seen as something shameful (which is not but yknow those were different times). she loved both of them, but her “best friend” was something more intimate
Oh my God. I have to see it. This looks fantastic.
I love Lea Seydoux
Well add this to my list of movies to watch
Le film a vraiment l'air super😍 je vais immédiatement aller le voir j'espère qu'il sera à la hauteur de la bande annonce
Wow! This actually looks really good and it looks like it has some great acting!! I think I might see it :)
this movie looks awesomeeeee!!!! i wanna see it so bad!!
WHY HAVENT I SEEN THIS MOVIE??? AND WHY DO I LOVE DIANE KRUGER SO MUCH...OH YEAH, CHANEL MUSE AND BEAUTIFUL.
How can i watch
OHH MY GOD. This looks so good.
Diane Kruger is just so gorgeous, it's unfair!!
Why am I just being informed of this movie? Heads will roll!
*curious why TH-cam suggested me this Now like after this many years* ;-;. But I'm glad to see the girl from Blue us the warmest color but I'm yet not ready to be sad again
Thank you!! :D very much! I'll try to get the book as well.
Oh my god, thank you! This would have been a much better answer to my first stupid question :)
Um guys, movies are made up. If it wants to have her riding dragons, not dying and being gay well it's called imagination. Since when does art have to reflect reality 100%? It's just an interesting story someone thought would be cool as a movie. I don't see based on a true story anywhere.
sockester234 Do you even know what gay means...
That was in reply to people complaining about historical inaccuracies and Yes. Yes I do. And the queen is clearly interested in girls. At the very least she's not straight.
+sockester234 This isn't exactly "historically inaccurate" as there were pornographic pamphlets distributed at the time depicting Marie Antoinette and Duchess de Polignac's "lesbian activities". Though they were entirely baseless, and no proof existed besides the fact that Polignac was Marie's favourite. So... though it doesn't say "based on a true story", there is some real-life ties to the story and it's origins (even tho they were made up from someones imagination at the time as well lmao)
+sockester234 If she's interested in girls that would make her pan, bi, lesbian, etc. Not gay.
+Onism I know what you mean and you do have a point!!! But, I believe he uses 'gay' as the same way as people could use 'guys' in a group of friends, even though there are girls in the group. He should have used Lesbian, bi, pan or homoseksual, but he used gay. Not really a big deal, because he just meant 'same-sex attrection', not 'she is a man and is attracted to man'.
so, for short;
It doesn't matter how people uses the term gay, as long as it is not ignorant or hurtfull.
Besides; gay also means happy..... maybe he meant that she could have been happy! But, I doubt that, because this movie seems like a drama. In drama's people are never truly happy/gay
Good to see Kruger getting some meaty lead roles. She's not just a pretty face.
saw this movie a couple of years ago, it's actually very good.
Where i can watch this?
Because sexuality is not defined by whom you have sex with, but by whom you're attracted to.
People who have threesomes or go to orgies, are not necessarily gay or bisexual, but they go there just for the sake of sex.
On the other hand, if you "love another woman" then you can't define yourself as heterosexual (and there's nothing wrong with that).
Cannot wait to watch this!
Damn, I'd go lesbian for Lea. She's smoking hot.
You don't just decide to be a lesbian one day. You're born with it lol
+Jenny Taborda Dont listen to him/her. You can be whatever you want to be. Even a lesbian :)
+Like a Jo Bo Not many people understand this, unfortunately. The world is infatuated with the concept of "turning" gay when it is convenient for them to or when they wish to denounce a previous relationship. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to just come out and say they're bisexual. Maybe because they believe they won't be trusted by either sex as a dating option. Who knows.
+Catartist154321 thank you so much for understanding and replying. I identify as lesbian and when I came out my mom demanded me to "just change then" . It's also because of that, that comments like that upset me. If one could choose to be gay or straight, why would they be gay then and face all the violence and struggle that comes with it... 💕
Like a Jo Bo
Because now it isn't such a struggle anymore. Yes, there are people fighting for the right to hold their heads high in public after telling those close to them about their homosexuality. But that's the small percentage that can truly tell you "I am literally not attracted in the least to the opposite sex." The rest of the percentage runs around demanding everything. No offense to anyone, but the LGBT group has absolutely destroyed the image of homosexuals. They demand and parade themselves around like lords and impose this idea of superiority on the young children. I can comprehend seeing a difference in your child and paying close attention if he/she is acting a particular way to the same sex. I can't comprehend teaching 5 years olds about it (or any other sexual matter, for that fact) and imposing this idea that you almost... need to try to be gay in order to make sure that you're not.
I guess there are very few of us :/... anyway, I really wanna see it, I always enjoy a good french film and Virginie Ledoyen and Diane Kruger are such good actresses ^^
Leas been stunning since The Beautiful Person
Okay I have both a Neg/Pos point about movies like this. The Negative - it makes me question my knowledge of history and the Positive - it makes me research my knowledge of history. That means I have turned a Negative into a Positive. Love it.
I always like france revolution based story especially about marie antoinette. This caught my heart when i read japanese comic named rose of versailles tht i seached history books about it.
This story told about other side of marie antoinette's with madame polignac i think? 🤔
Where can i watch it?
This looks incredibly interesting !
Léa Seydoux ♥
Absolutely! I put my words very bluntly in my previous reaction, I did not mean that sexuality is defined ONLY by how you act - however most people do define it like that (I think). For example, when a man and a woman are in a relationship, people will assume they are both heterosexual, while one or both can just as well be bisexual.
Beautiful
this is a dream come true
I saw this film. Although I'm not complaining about the scene, I still don't understand the point in her starring at the Duchess nude the way she did.
She was jealous. She literally says to the Queen in their talk right before that scene that she is envious that Polignac was the target of such love,
a selfish indulgent woman of her time and molded to fit in Marie was classic in history. Kirsten Dunst isnt in this version but Diana Kruger who is in fact german. looks like a good piece. set to the music of the wedding-end titles in 1997's "Elizabeth"
Wtf? Why am missing out on this? I didn’t even know movies like this existed.
Does anyone knows where can I watch it? Please!
Pls what's the name of this series
I am way too excited for a movie that I just found out about.
sorry i will speak on behalf of the people of france and the gay community , this film is inspired by a novel of chantal thomas and will therefore be somewhat true story of france and even if marie antoinette was the lesbian , judge on what she could do and not on her sexual orientation
It was true that she had trouble with her husband and had many affairs with other men and I blive a few woman
freya Enright false just with fersen i will board her biography by stefan sweig
freya Enright She was never a lesbian and she only ever had one affair, with Count Fersen. Everything else was made up by her enemies.
stephane saliques I read her biography by the famous historian Antonia Fraser. Marie Antoinette did only have one affair and that was with Count Fersen. Anything else was put about by her enemies
stephane saliques She was not gay - that was all based on false rumours put about by her enemies.
This looks beautiful !!
Portrait of A Lady on Fire brought me here..
Netflix should bring this movie instead of this one in the trailer
Beautiful Léa!
looks amazing!!
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@MyMoravia No she wasn't. It was rumored she was due to her close relationship with woman of the court, and she was also first queen ever to wear pants.
I love how casually everyone talks about the fact that those two are having an affair especially given the time period
It was not uncommon in that time period. It was only taboo to be open about it, not to engage in it privately. And for the aristocracy everything was permittable. Rampant homophobia came later in the Victorian Era when there was a new obsession with hygiene and 'bodily fluids'. And then of course in the 1950s when it was seen a s a mental illness like schizophrenia.
where can i see this movie?
I wish there were more gay (male) movies like this, not that there isn't, but I would love to see more dramatic stories such as this.
I'm gay and of course have no problem with it, but this isn't for the gay community or gay filmmakers to 'Find their moment' like sit down... don't take a legend of history and display her to the whole world that she was something she was not just so you can make a buck. I've become a HUGE fan and admirer of Marie and have learned quite a great deal about her amazing life and story. I'm not mad that this plain movie is just simply all about the idea of her being a lesbian, but that its horribly untrue to her real life's remarkable story. Such a disgrace and dishonor. Somewhere in France Marie is turning over in her grave.
+Travis Woodbeck
"HUGE fan and admirer of Marie and have learned quite a great deal about her amazing life and story"
"I'm not mad that this plain movie is just simply all about the idea of her being a lesbian, but that its horribly untrue to her real life's remarkable story"
* This movie is based on REAL pamphlets (though created baselessly at the time, and only using the fact that the Duchess de Polignac was Marie's favourite ) used to "slander" Marie Antoinette, and this you would know if you've learnt about her as thoroughly as one would believe you would if you were, quote, such a "HUGE fan and admirer" *
This movie isn't entirely baseless as you think,
Please see below:
By the late 1780s, thousands of pornographic pamphlets alleged that Gabrielle (Duchess de Polignac) was the queen's lesbian lover, and, although there was no evidence to back up these accusations, they did immeasurable damage to the prestige of the monarchy, especially given the deep-rooted suspicion of homosexuality held by the bourgeoisie and urban working-classes at the time.
So your telling me, just because marie was so close with Gabrielle Du Polignac (which I'm highly aware of, thank you) and that idiotic and mindless pamphlets that were pretty much the equivalent of trashy magazines of today (lies and rumors) that it's possible this whole things is true? Please, take many seats. That doesn't say anything or give any sort of logical back up that Marie Antoinette was gay in the slightest. Most times than not when someone sees a historical film about a historical figure that they know nothing about its usually the only information they hold about that person afterwards. So making a film like this with no logical base or any sort of real facts is wreck less and sad, all for a buck and to inflame some directors ego who really has no idea what was going on and did absolutely no research
Travis Woodbeck and I quote: "(though created baselessly at the time, and only using the fact that the Duchess de Polignac was Marie's favourite)"
I have, myself, stated that it was baselessly made, and simply used as slander against Marie Antoinette.
I'm telling you that the movie isn't entirely baseless historically or just something someone pulled out of their "imagination" (meaning the writer or whomever came up with this film, as I've already stated the original pamphlets were baseless)
The director/whomever obviously did enough research to know about the pamphlets, as if he/she didn't, the idea that "Marie is gay for Polignac" would really have been sprouted from nowhere.
This movie is based off the "idea" from those trashy pamphlets that Marie and Polignac were a fling. Those pamphlets historically exist, and so therefore this story has some historical basis wether or not the base was originally right or wrong to begin.
Thanks for shooting over the points I had originally made only for you to pretty much repeat what I said, still avoiding the original point, and then me having to repeat it all.
TLDR; There is a historical basis for the idea of this movie.
Thanks.
You are such a disgusting person, what is wrong with you? You're such a fucking homophobe
Chloe Stevens what
Eva Green was originally set to play Marie Antoinette.
Oh that would've been an absolute treat
I only saw the last half hour on Starz the other day. What I saw of it was good.
can someone explain what this movie is about the storyline confused me
woah i think this is the first lesbian movie in royal time
There's also The Girl King (2015)
The movie the favorite that came out in 2018
It's not the first. Fingersmith (2005) and
Tipping the Velvet, are some that came out before this one.
No.. Try the handmaiden.. Both the Korean film and English film. Both are amazing. I'm afraid I can't choose which I like best. There's more in that time period just can't think of the names.
I thought this was a joke at first
Can anybody tell me where to watch a version in English, subtitles or duplicated? My Mandarin is not good enough. Russian would do too.
this looks really good
how did i not know this existed??
Marie antoinette? Wha!? Wow I gotta see this movie!
finally, another movie about lesbians. There just needs to be more out there
Where can I watch this with subtitles free online? Can someone sent link pls?
Can someone tell me where i can watch this with english subtitles please???
Sexy Mochi I just watched it on either Netflix or Amazon. I can't remember which. I didn't even realize this was Diane Kruger, she did very well
If you have Amazon Prime. It's free on Fire TV.
Reminds me of the favourite..maybe the favourite took some notes here..
Ah qu'elles sont belles! J'ai hate de voir ce merveilleux filme. it needs to be on dvd in australia!
I´m very used to read serious biografies of Marie Antoniette. Evelyne Lever, Jean Plaidy and others. None of them even suggested lesbianism with Madame Polignac! It´s a pity a movie with that gorgeous art direction, figurines and mainly location (Versailles and Petit Trianon themselves!) instead of approaching true or at least interesting aspects of that crazy period of France, spend time with unbelievable theories for intimate aspects of Antoniette's life. I don't think the french people will appreciate it.
actually at the time there were pamphlets that suggested a relationship between the queen and the duchess, though it was probably a lie to ruin her reputation ( like the necklace incident and the "eat cake" thing) and didn't you found this movie interesting? besides the lesbian relationship i really though the point of view it shows ( of the servants) was its biggest score, showing how the life in the palace was and all, i believe the romance was the less important point
rarifica Paris was and is very loose sexually and the people wanted to go after her. They did porn about her fucking everyone probably her brother too.
This movie never actually claims the Queen was a lesbian. Obviously it is heavily suggested, but it could also be inferred that the Queen was so infatuated because she lacked close relationships at court. Polignac offered a glimpse at a life without the burdens of royalty, and she was in love with the idea that the Duchess didn't treat her as a Queen. I hope people can see the complexity of the situation.
She had a serious lover though, it was heavily documented, they even try to say that that guy fathered her son. They theorize that she might have been a lesbian because there was alot of sexual licentious in her court, and you are what your court does.She picked the court that she did because of the way they treated her if you actually watch the MA movie they show that. She is more of a tragic historical figure that the directors all refuse to take seriously so they put her in these things.
Literally France couldn't care less if she was bi or not. I'm French and really happy to see a film taking place in that period of time featuring two women attracted to each other. Is it historically accurate? Maybe it is, maybe it's not! But was every historical film ever made historically accurate? Of course not! Even film like "Troy", based on a fiction, erase gay characters, like Achilles and Patroclus, for the sake of erasing them. Just say you're uncomfortable with two women loving each other and go
awesome!!
I love Diane Kruger in the 2006 film Marie Antionette
Historians: Ahh, what a beautiful _heterosexual_ friendship! Just gals being pals! Like they always have! Sappho? Don't know her.
Me is READY
It's only recently (well, the past 50 years) that art historians have been making a distinction between the two. the art of say 1760 is too different from the one in say 1700, not just esthatically, but also in the thinking behind it.
I'm just interested in the final music if anyone knows the name.
Requiem (I think by Mozart?)
+Grace Morrison thanks!
Mozart requiem "introitus"
I'm a simple person : Is this movie have a happy ending?
No.
Lea seydoux is blowing my mind ane making me going insane ..
Now i relase blue is not ths warmest color lea is the warmest girl ..
I love her
what's the title of the soundtract 1:40 onwards?
would really love to watch this movie sadly however i do not speak french so if anyone knows any site in which i could watch this in english sub perhaps? It would be much obliged cheers.
If only my parents weren't homophones and I could go see this
If your parents trusted you, they'd let you see any movie, knowing that you have enough judgement to think for yourself.
@@VixxKong2 that's the thing. They don't trust me. I'm not even allowed to walk to the bus by myself. It's dumb.