I recently beat a New Game on CF and I definitely did not have the ability to change back the appearance to pre-timeskip. Unless it's a DLC feature? I own it but I don't have it installed. I know of the extra outfits including Academy uniforms but I that doesn't change their actual appearance.
Very late to the party, but a few things: You didn't really mention Bernadetta with Vengeance. This single-handedly makes her as good as the other brave art users. The damage scales one-to-one with how much hp the unit lost, so...even if Bernie got screwed in the a- with strength, she would still be outdamaging the majority of the cast. Your opinions on petra and Leonie...are exactly my opinions on Hilda. Like, her stats are fine, basically the same as Ferdinand and Sylvain, but get screwed with a stat like speed or strength, and she really feels it. She doesn't have anything that makes her stand out and at best is just a good Wyvern Lord (which is still pretty damn good, mind you). Idk, she's easily the most overrated unit in 3H in comparison to how good people say she is vs how good she actually is. I'd bump her down to A tier if I'm being honest, maybe even bottom of A. Yeah, Hilda gets that axe, but anyone can use it to good extent, whether they have a crest or not. I mean, a lot of my strategies involve point-blank Volleying with Failnaught. Speaking of PBV, did you forget Leonie has that? Because it didn't seem like you took that into consideration when evaluating her. That in an of itself, along with her growths and bases, should make her at least where Ferdinand is. Like really, she doesn't need all that much to stay relevant in playthroughs, and PBV alone deals with the most dangerous foes easily (like Assassins and flyers).
Hilda is good if you put her in the right classes. I'm mean yes Hilda is slow but she is a freaking tank and I have never had a problem with her. If you make her a great knight and give her the Hexlock shield sis is basically invincible. But I also respect your opinion.
I do see where you're coming from, but I think Mercedes is slept on. Yes she dies to Archers and Melees, but if you place her carefully, she great scaling on Mag/Spd/Res (50%/40%/45% respectively) and Fortify. She can easily bait/tank mages while returning with Bolganone. Yes, her passive is a bit redundant most of the time since she'll be at 100% or 0% HP, but I've had it be useful in some skirmishes here and there. Personally I would put her in Mid/Bottom A+ tier. Aside from that, I agree with the placement of every other character. Keep up the content!
Yuri and Felix are easily S-Tier, while Hapi might only be A or A+ imo. Constance and Jeritza could be S-Tier candidates too, and you underrate Mercedes, she‘s the best healer ig atm
Constance is definitely S tier. Flying mage is stupid good, and she has an insane black magic spell list with Agneas Arrow, Bolting, and Fimbulvnter. As well as being tied with *Lysithea* for the highest magic growth in the game.
Dorian L The reason Petra is best is because of her unique ability. The extra crit on a character with practically limitless range is crazy. She can have 100% crit rating with the crit ring equipped.
In all 3 of the CF playthroughs I've done, Jeritza has easily been the best unit every time. It's a shame his availability is so bad, he's extremely fun to use.
Yes. He literally critted the final boss twice in a row (he doubled with the Scythe of Sariel) and finished it off. I think it was on its last bar with full HP. I got him a bit after the update he was added (i was in the middle of a CF run) and he was easily my best unit. I just regret putting him to the right in Endgame. He took so long to catch up, and he needed to be on foot. But yes, Jeritza is amazing, a shame he's only available on CF. Maybe you could talk to the Death Knight in an early Timeskip chapter with Mercedes and recruit him.
Jet_seT Yeah I had a similar experience, on my maddening run he literally solo’d the Immaculate One- it was pretty funny. I’ve always thought 3 houses had a sort of sandbox mode where you can play through any route with any character on your side, would be fun as hell to have Jeritza on the same team as Dimitri and watch them two-man entire armies.
I had just started Crimson Flower when he was added, and he was as much of a beast as you would expect. The highlight is him getting crit by Seiros on the Dimitri map and one shotting her with a critical of his own
FED id say he should be the same tier as Alois. They both basically have similar stats, availability, and proficiency. Sure his spd is a lot worse but if you reclass him to a diff class his base spd will go up.
Bob Fan in my opinion his speed is beyond repair. By the time you get him you’ll have far better units for a spot on the battlefield. The only reason I’d see using Gilbert is to get a c support with him so you can get Annette’s magic axe. But I guess if you put a lot of work into him he could be good but that goes for every unit in the game.
@@justinevans3999 yeah but Alois's spd is bad as well. He isn't double anything. Im saying that he is just as good as Alois. So either move Alois down or Gilbert up.
One problem I really had with Anna is that she has *NO* supports with anyone so it makes her instantly less useful to not synergize with any characters for link attacks
I regretted recruiting her until I got to her paralogue, which I think is really the only reason you would ever have to recruit her in the first place since she's a sub par unit with no supports
It's true, but the major problem is her base stat and growth rate just so fckn bad. If i have a stat & growth rate like jeritza i dont't believe support is very needed (S=10 hit& 10 avo). She is meant to be useless.
Flying lockpick Ashe is something you never know you needed. I sure damn miss him opening chests without wasting his, or other units’ inventory for a chest key whenever I didn’t recruit him.
@@pearsemolloy9656 it's imo his best way to go, if you give him reposition he also helps save time on chapter 21 of the blue lions route, because soon after you start you'll reach a fence on the right side, which reposition on him and any other flying unit will save a lot of time
Pearse Molloy Well his weakness to archers sucks, but the movement tradeoff is a BIG plus, and you also get canto. Definitely worth, unless you need hunter's volley for the damage.
I honestly think Felix and Yuri are easy S tier. Felix is a dodge-tank that crits a lot and pops his crest almost every turn, player turn and enemy turn. He's incredibly flexible also but from my experience he makes an amazing trickster. Granted, my Felix has Death Blow and Fiendish Blow to help him out. Yuri, I haven't used him much but he's amazing.
Seems like a lot of unnecessary work to get those class abilities for Felix especially since you have to train him in axes so he can get certified for brigand
@@pearsemolloy9656 it's fairly easy on multiple playthroughs. It really depends on how much you want to get out of the game. Felix is a really flexible unit and can use bows, swords, and fists really effectively. He's one of the best war masters/grapplers in the game so its really easy to raise his axes if you want to go that route. It can definitely be a problem if you only want to use him on one playthrough though and not use your renown to get the past skills in ng+
Sebastian Charles I see what you mean but I don’t really do those kinds of things because I never really play new game plus I don’t really like having all those OP battalions and class abilities from the beginning of the game. I like to keep the progression system in tact
I did the same, its great flipping around to see the chance of enemy hits on him and seeing 0%, 0%, 0%. Dancer Yuri is hands down my best dodgetank in maddening.
@Merciless Freak lol nope. 40% dex growth and 45% luck make him great for archery, especially getting dead eye as a budding talent. 40% strength is average, so not too bad on that front. He can be either a support trickster or the best assassin in the game, since assassin will give him 60% dex and 85% speed, meaning he will crit often and double literally everything, even on maddening. His decently high luck and insane speed will make him dodge almost everything, even on maddening.
Dimitri post time skip. His attack stat is insane, the dude does HUGE damage if you trained him properly. It’s honestly frightening, and also in line to how he turned out story wise: a ruthless killer.
Let’s also add that Sylvain gets his Hero’s Relic stupid early in the game (1 chapter after Byleth) and is simply the easiest character to recruit in the game because of your gender. I always go Female Byleth to get Sylvain.
I never used Battalion Wrath and Battalion Vantage until I resorted to try that strategy for Azure Moon final map after 59 resets and witnessed the already strong Dimitri annihilate half of the map with 100% crit using Scythe of Sariel.
@@yallom_nayr5602 Eh, actually out of the 3 lords I think he's the weakest. Claude gets free Wyvern lord and bow combo, which is amazing. Edelgard has slightly lower growths than Dmitri, but her personal weapon/combat art is 10x better. Raging storm can let you solo entire maps. Dmitri's probably the strongest if you just walk up at smack people in the face. He wins in raw stats but Edelgard and Claude bring more with their personal class/combat art. If you give Dmitri the DLC chalice though...then oh boy. He's Jeritza on steroids and it's pretty fun to see.
@@somethingbesidesmyrealname5389 Claude's good but idk Edel's combat art is broken but not useful? You don't want her weapon to break much cause its hard to fix so you have to be careful with it. I only felt comfortable saving it for really hard situations and the last map. Maybe with warping it would be better (but I didn't like warp cheese lol)
@@owenskalvalki3057 It's only 5% lower than Yuri's. Yes her strength is bad I was just pointing out that her growth rate total is the same as Anna Yuri and Claude.
Yes. Put him in the White Heron Cup for the skills it gives. He has high Charm so he'll win no contest. Fetters of Dromi exist and Trickster mastery gives Duelist Blow. He has access to Aura, Excalibur, Silence, and Recover, which is amazing. He gets Windsweep and Finesse Blade, which ges well with his decent Skill. His Battalion you get from his paralogue is very good on him, and gives him even MORE avoid. If you recruit him late, he starts with a high Authority ranking, so getting his battalion on him won't be a problem.
Constance should be S Tier She has Bolting which automatically moves her up in my book. Her crest is also amazing. It makes her spells sometimes not take up a use which is really helpful when it happens on Bolting. I’ve used Bolting four times before on a map because of that crest
Her crest and bolting are super strong, and she’s also the best rescue user as well. I tend to make her a war cleric, because mystic blow is just too good on her to go to waste (and she can get to aura knuckles p easily) and that build’s served me very well, as she’s an incredibly versatile unit. I don’t know if it’s optimal, but it’s been performing incredibly well for me.
Joshua Gaspar combat art only byleth and one other non dlc unit learn, it’s a magic brawl attack (mt based on units mag) that gives +10 mt. One shots most units early and midgame, and by late game you can have aura knuckles for the enemies mystic blow doesn’t kill. Constance gets it as her budding talent in brawl
It boggles my mind when people rank Dedue low. I must have won the lottery with him because he's an absolute monster and can't even be killed by magic.
It really triggers me when people put him low he is an absolute god send for early game maddening and in regards to this tier list I feel he should at least be above Flayne at the top of B+ tier. Ingrid should also be in A+ tier she’s one of the best dodge tanks in the game and she is the ultimate mage bane.
Pearse Molloy the problem with dedue is while he is excellent on paper post time skip by the time you get him even the church units would be better in that slot cuz of how far behind he has fallen.
keep ashe and bows 71839 feet away from eachother and chuck that boy on a wyvern. the guy has insane crits and he has an advantage in axes. hes always one of my insanely great units and on maddening, has an even higher total than claude. also freckles so sss tier.
abf I agree! It took a lot of work to get him to keep up with the others, but I gave made him a wyvern master, gave him killer axe and bow, and he’s all good! I’d put him at B+ at least. But persona wise, S+++
Giant Caliber Ngl Ashe wasn’t a super awesome unit for me but I gave him killer bow and axe, put him on a wyvern, gave him crit ring and he was my go to when I had a weak unit like a magic or sniper to take out.
Gabrielle Craft I know that amazing feeling of making a garbage unit all the sudden the mvp in the team. Got a good number of cheese kills with Warp+Crit Rerolls in late game maps
Cyril is only really bad on the church route because he comes so late. He's meant to be played similar to Claude as a flying bow user that uses point blank volley. Yes he has bad bases and is auto leveled as a commoner, but that is more than made up for by his weapon skills and point blank volley. It takes no effort to promote him to armor knight to get his defense up. From there he can go brigand; again with no axe training necessary; to eventually get death blow. Again point blank volley cannot be understated. He gets it way earlier than any other unit gets their version of it. He's the only unit that guarantees a double from early to late game. Catherine is a better combat unit than everyone in A tier. She's arguably better than a good half of the A+ tier as well.
David Jaye heck Point Black Volley only learned by Leonie and Cyril and Cyril got it on C+ while Leonie is in A. Cyril stats also easily make up since he easily boost his way to Brigand and then become a dual wield axe x bow Wyvern Lord
MaN 15 too much work? maybe it's investing too many seals on one unit when they're limited without NG+, but really every stated by OP is all stuff Cyril can do with absolutely zero investment besides gold for seals to take exams
I got Cyril super early on my BL run and he was one of my best units, but I've heard the longer you wait to recruit him the worse he is/the harder it is to get him up to speed. (I was also on normal difficulty which probably helped make him better)
Hello FED. Love your tier lists, and I mostly agree with what you have. Changes i would personally make for my own take: Before ashen wolves, dorothea was good because charm and meteor. Constance existing makes dorothea obsolete since she is better, meaning dorothea only has unique utility as early game sustain. Move her to the top of b+. Yuri has windsweep. That alone would put him in A+, but he has great stats on top of it. Bottom of s tier, behind byleth.
kingslayer86 charm and meteor are still really good tho, plus she has thoron for early 3 range and physic. I don’t think Constance being good at her role makes Dorothea worse
@@notfabio9858 Constance is instantly recruitable and dorothea requires resources to recruit, that automatically makes Dorothea go down a tier in my book
Tbh I find Caspar super easy to recruit. Byleth has a boon in brawling, and with a C+ Support, you only need to get it to D+, with the strength requirement being a non-issue entirely. Whether that makes it worth it is debatable, but idk, the recruitment was never a huge deal
The recruitment is a big deal because of ch13; if that chapter wasn't such a pain it wouldn't be almost necessary to get Byleth to Wyvern Rider, which means he has to switch focus from brawling to axes and flying, especially considering that gauntlets can only be used when dismounted, which a Wyvern rider doesn't want to do except against fliers in enemy phase, in which gautlets aren't good
Hapi has the same magic growth as Linhardt and her base is only higher by 1. Obviously she's still a lot better because of her dark magic spells and genderlocked magic classes, but she shouldn't be 2 whole tiers above him
Ingrid absolutely and objectively belongs with her contemporaries Petra and Leonie in A+, in fact I would dare say between the two of them (because let's be frank, the *real* benefit to recruiting Petra is not fighting enemy Petra). "But her Strength," you might start, to which I would finish, "is only one point behind theirs at base and one point behind theirs in growths." I know you made that point about splitting hairs at the start of the video, but a whole letter grade just for two points of Strength and one-to-two points of Speed total is utterly ridiculous. Besides, I've not even gone into what she gets in exchange for those small stat drawbacks yet: First of all, she has a Crest, the Minor Crest of Daphnel, which, sure, it's not a lot, and you might say it's not consistent, but it does allow her damage output long-term to stay plenty competitive with Petra and Leonie, as you're usually spamming Combat Arts in Maddening anyway. Speaking of Combat Arts, her Crest also gives her access to Lúin's unique Combat Art, which damages enemies based off her massive Speed stat. Secondly, if you're concerned about her stats, then what about the fact that she has one of the best Charm stats in the game, behind only the Three Lords, Flayn, Seteth, and Yuri? Combined with her personal, this makes her one of the most consistent offensive Gambit users in the game, certainly ahead of Leonie and *far* ahead of Petra. Finally, on top of all else she has to offer, she actually makes for the best Dancer in the game, believe it or not! Her massive Charm stat not only makes it easy for her to get into the class, but also synergizes with her proficiency in Swords for some respectable Sword Dance damage, if you're into that sort of thing. Moreover, her proficiency in Riding lets her get the coveted Movement +1 even outside of a mounted class route (though, if you intend on going the Dancer Ingrid route, putting her in Cavalier early game certainly couldn't hurt). Lastly, while her Magic stat is nothing to write home about, she does get the respectable ranged magics Thoron and Physic among her spell lists, allowing her yet more options for utility, should you so desire. In conclusion, you were absolutely biased with your prior experiences with Ingrid, as she brings more than enough to the table to be among the best units in the game; certainly far above where you put her, and at least among her comparable counterparts in Petra and Leonie. . . . Anyway, here is a less objective minor nitpick: I know that you didn't take this into account when rating, but Caspar is not difficult at all to recruit in other houses. He requires Strength that Byleth has *at base* and a mere C in Gauntlets, which Byleth is proficient in. Calling him "difficult to recruit" is simply misinformation at this point, especially in direct comparison to Ferdinand who requires freaking Heavy Armor.
imo she should be just a tier higher, not A+ with Petra and Leonie Crest of Daphel: You are overrating it. It is only a 40% activation rate on combat arts. Sure 5 more mt is nice, but still inconsistent. When you are 1-2 pts away from killing, you shouldn't rely on a 40% to kill. Also in maddening you are not spamming combat art. Sure more compared to hard since nobody doubles early game, but if we think about it. Her crest is letting her do 2 more dmg when using combat arts on average. Then mid to late game you aren't using combat arts that much, unless you have brave effect arts. Stats: Lol charm isn't that great. It gives you more mt and hit for gambits that you can only use max twice per map. You can't spam gambits like you can spam combat arts. Sure she does more damage when using gambits, but petra and leonie in regular combat(which matters much more). Also, she has lower spd. Early game, one point of spd is really important. Not to mention Petra and Leonie has 9 str at base. Just one more str will bump their AS by one(they only need 2.2 lvls on avg). Ingrid needs 2 more str to bump her AS spd by one(which she needs ~5.71 lvl on avg). It may seem one or 2 pts but still it matters a lot more than you think. Dancer: Dancers should never be attacking. They are meant to dance, not attack. Ideally, a dancer should always be dancing every turn cause their combat most likely will be worse than your other students(because you should always have one of ur worst unit be a dancer). Also every student can become a dancer and be as good. Her riding bane does make her better as a dancer than other students, but its not that much better(especially since +1 mov only will come in play late game). The gap between an average dancer and the best dancer is a lot smaller than the gap of an average combat unit and the best combat unit. Her magic stat actually sucks. She starts with base 6 mag vs other mages that have at least 10. Not to mention she has a lower growth rate than them too. Her physics range is going to be very small. Every 10 levels her range only increases by 1.75. Also Marianne imo is the best dancer. Does everything Ingrid could do but better(even combat using levin sword) Something I would like to add is about proficiency. Leonie and Petra have a better spread since they are proficient in the best weapon in the game, bows, while Ingrid is neutral. Flying+bow is amazing.
You make a point about how Leonie's and Petra's atk are just a point higher than Ingrinds, and therefore irrelevant, but then you go on to say how much better her charm is than Leonie's? Don't get me wrong, Ingrid is a good unit, but she doesn't compare to Petra and Leonie. While Ingrid's high growths are great, she doesn't have any particularly high growths in anything but speed. She just becomes literally any other pegasus knight. Sure, she's great, but anyone is great in a flier class. What Leonie and Petra have above her are their strength, skill, and defense in Leonie's case. These stats allow them to accel in more than just a flier class. Both are great assassins, or any bow class, and Leonie can actually make use of cavalary classes with her higher defenses. Ingrid's growths just don't allow her to stand out like Petra and Leonie. Aside from an unused res stat and a relatively useless crest, she's got nothing on them.
Ingrid can be good. But the mistake a lot of people make ( and that I made in my 1st playthrough ) is having her go soldier->pegasus knight->falcon knight. 9 times out of ten, she'll end up with 13 strength when you get to endgame ( that actually happened to me once ). What you should do instead is go fighter->brigand->wyvern rider-> wyvern lord. This improves her poor strength growth by quite a bit. Brigand can also give her death blow.
What you're all missing out here, is that she has the best resistance in the game. Well noone uses her to be petra-like to kill everyone, but based on her outstanding resistance and speed, she makes a great mage killer and dodgetank. Also I recommend you guys to make her dancer and grab that sword eva 20 and give all your speed carrots to her. Rapier+ is also great to finish off low units. She really should be a sword girl, not a spear girl
I've only done Blue Lions Maddening. I'd give Dedue more credit. He misses chapters, sure, but he can still tank really well when he comes back, especially with the Duscur Battalion. Getting him QR just makes him a nightmare for physical units on enemy phase. I'd say he's mid A tier. Definitely above Catherine, maybe Shamir
I made mine flier so he didn't had that one, but he carries so hard in part 1 that when he comes back he wasn't that behind, except from the mages because no exp penalty from healing
Hey FED, here is my live response to your video. Sorry if this is long, I just really disagree with some of your placements. - You overrate Hubert far too much. He isn't better than Dorothea and might not even be better than Bernadetta. I would argue hes only redeeming trait is his 3 range spells combined with his somewhat decent charm growth. Other than that he is frail and slow just like the other 3H mages, but hes a male and also dark magic locked giving him zero good endgame classes. The only useful white magic he learns is recover, but he has a bane in faith making it slower and more tedious to level up. Dorothea also gets a three range spell in Thoron, has a good charm growth, meteor + has access to Gremory and can actually make use of the skills from Warlock & Dark Knight. Plus she also gets Physic, shes a far superior unit. At this point in the video I don't think you've mentioned perf. skills at all, Bernadetta's perf in the early game makes her actually one of the most useful units in very early game maddening. You could still argue that Hubert is a better overall unit than her though. - Annette is, in my opinion, the worst student unit in the game. Her spell list is dreadful relative to her growths distribution. Excalibur is good, but she gets no 3 range spells, no special effectiveness (with the exception of Excalibur) and all are tomes are mostly wind tomes that are light but hit lesser. She can't make use of the low weight tomes because she isn't a fast unit in the first place. But she can't hit hard enough to OHKO like Lysithea/Constance. Her growths are all over the place, but they still made her Lysithea levels of frail. I guess I just disagree with you on the usefulness of Rallies. I do not think they are useful at all past early game. - Dedue is so underrated! I totally understand your points, this game is very player phase central. But still, there is an avenue for enemy phase play in this game, and even without Dedue's perf he is a banky boy. Losing out on him for a few chapters does suck, but he definitely is way too low imo. - Holy shit you put Ingrid so low. She is worse on Maddening for sure, and she is pretty bad at base. One of the things you have not talked about at all (to my knowledge) up to this point is the value of the charm stat. Ingrid does have shit Str but her good Speed, Res, and Charm + Useful perf. skill and Flying boon make her seriously one of the best dodge tanks in the game. She also gets access to the Luin and the relic combart art really early, and can even make a good mage if you decide that for her. She gets Physic, Thoron and Seraphim. Shes also very good in endgame Blue Lion specifically because of the spike in mages/siege tomes compared to the other routes. You also put Mercedes way too low. Fortify is amazing and her spell list isn't actually that bad to deal some good damage. Also useful perf. skill and crest. You're right about Ashe, is is very lackluster relatively. - Since I guess your list is ordered, putting Sylvain over Ferdinand really makes no sense. They both get Swift Strikes and have pretty similar bases/growths. But Ferdinand's perf skill is arguably the best in the game. Sylvain is just a slightly worse Ferdinand imo. IGNATZ. You severely underrate him. Hes far better than many charas you have above him. Hit +20 as a personal skill and his authority boon already make him the best out of the canon archer trio. But hes also better than many other units because of those traits, maddenings hit penalty is pretty brutal, and he completely undermines that. Leonie is also far too low. I'd argue that she might deserve a spot in S tier. You don't mention the fact that she has one of the better defense growths in the game, combined with her top tier speed growth, good dex and decent charm growth. She also gets access to Point Blank Volley. One of the most reliable units in the game. Shes one of the only units who is legitimately tanky AND can double on maddening. - Seteth does not 'fall off' lol. He actually only gets better. He doesn't join with Swift Strikes and he is really close to a A rank in authority. He might have the most useful crest in the game, which you didn't even mention at all. It procs almost every time he uses a combat art, and it has 2 chances to proc if he is using Swift Strikes. He also has an amazing defense/HP base. He's far better than Catherine. Oh man, your DLC unit placements. I agree Balthus is pretty good, but I was confused you didn't even mention his personal skill at all. Its literally the only reason he is better than Raph, Caspar and similar other types of characters. Without it he would be just as lackluster as them. War Monk really isn't that useful because his magic stat is garbo. He won't be a very good healer at all. Hapi man. I think you overvalue Warp a bit too much. She is Lysithea levels of frail with a mediocre speed growth. She also has the same magic growth as Lindhardt, meaning her warp range is going to be about similar to his. 3 range + Warp and Physic is nice, but honestly she is such a liability on enemy phase and doesn't have the same type of player phase potential Lysithea has to make up for that completely. Yuri is statistically the fastest unit in the game, authority boon and good charm growth. He gets Windsweep and learns some good spells if you wanted to make him a trickster. He also has a budding talent in bows that gives him deadeye. I would put him No. 1 in terms of the DLC units, then Constance then Hapi. Anyways, thanks for sharing your opinion. I think my main criticism with this list in the undervaluing of personal skills and the usefulness of the charm stat. Anything I didn't mention about I probably agreed with you. Sorry for the length of this, if you read it all thanks
Hapi is, in my opinion, the best magic unit, even better than Lysithea, because she has the Death spell, which has crit and extra range. Lysithea’s max range is 6 (Valkyrie, Thyrsus, S rank reason), and Hapi’s max is 7. Both can hit like a nuke and canto away, and both can use warp, but Hapi gets Physic on top of that. Her stats are worse, but it’s not a big enough difference to put her down.
@@elijah7744s Death is certainly good, 3 range and 20 crit is nothing to be slept on. But it has 6 Mt. And Hapi has a 45 percent magic growth, whilst Lysithea has a 60. 15 percent is a huge difference when we are talking about the potential 40 levels you can get on an average playthrough. They both learn Hades at A reason, but Lysithea hits so much harder so much earlier because of Dark Spikes at B. Also, there is an important distinction between Lysthiea and Hapi, Lysithea has a boon in authority + mastermind and Hapi has a bane in authority. Both of their hit rates are useless if they don't have a batallion or item/ability that gives them hit. This is far easier for Lysithea to get B/A rank authority to equip some of the great Magic based batallions that give +15, +20, or +30 hit. Uncanny Blow is an option for the both of them, but that still would take a while, at that point in the game Lysithea could easily be pushing A rank authority and wouldn't have to give up an ability slot. Hapi doesn't hit even as close to as hard, but is just the same liability on enemy phase. She requires far more investment for a shorter warp range and inferior damage. 3 range and physic doesn't make up for this, imo.
NGL, Ignatz is extremely useful in early game maddening mode, which is definitely the hardest part of lunatic. With his personal ability Hit+20, he is one of the only characters that can reliably chip down the plethora of high Avo enemies. And of course, as you mentioned, brining him into sniper for Hunter’s Volley ensures he doesn’t drop off mid-late game. He may not have the best strength, sure, but I think he deserves to be jn at least A tier for his fantastic maddening early game utility.
Nah, she sees him as not worthy of Jeralt's heritage. You get Sylvain because he is a womanizer. By that logic, Manuela is the best female equivalent. When she intoduces herself at the beginning, she says that she is available in her first dialogue box.
The best way you can convey how mediocre Caspar is simply by realizing that at base Petra doubles Base Caspar. Then add his 45% Speed growth, and without getting blessed he just gets doubled even in later stages of hard, and pretty much all of maddening without boosters.
Caspar is pretty bad until late game, but if you get him into War Master and give him the killer gauntlets, he’s hitting 4 times with a 90% crit rate. Basically single-handedly cleared Tailtean for me
I think Constance is S tier given she can one shot so many enemies with Bolting - plus she has 4 uses in the Gremory class. Along with her crest sometimes giving her more uses of bolting she can do amazing chip damage on the whole map through the entire chapter
Yes Constance is definitely S tier.. her bolting can one shot Archers/assassins and make encounters much easier. She along with Lysithea can do a Warp/Rescue combo from long distance to essentially stop annoyances like Infinite reinforcements or protect a character stuck in a bad situation. Hapi and Benadetta have moves that limit enemy moments which is godly especially against beast monsters since they can hit them from three squares away and buy you time to regroup and get in better position.
To those people who are saying it would be better to just kill an enemy than to debuff them: could you please direct me to the button that automatically kills whatever unit you want? I can't seem to find it, but if it didn't exist then your argument would hold less weight than soaking toilet paper from a high school bathroom.
Most enemies die to two units one chipper and the other to clean up. By end game maddening I was one rounding everything except War Masters with either swift strikes, or brave weapons. And I don't use status boosters. Now I'm not saying this will happen for everyone or every unit but even so usually one round of chip and another unit can kill so what the point of a debuff. Now early game debuffs can be nice I find break shot to be really good as well as swarm z. And if you notice these debuffs are attached to things that would be used to do chip damage. I think that most people view debuffs as things to set up to kill on enemy phase rather than things you set up to kill on player phase.
@@dameiperkins only after some stat snowballing. In the beginning she cant quite one round a lot of things. However, after a handful of levels of snowballing her offensive stats she becomes the nuke she is on lower than maddening mode difficulties
Dimitri with battalion wrath and vantage is the most OP thing in the entire game it is so fun to just throw him int 10 melee units and he 1 shots all of them with no counter
Ingrid is way too low. If strength is the issue then just make her a brigand like you would for Petra. There's practically no difference between Ingrid, Petra and Leonie as brigand early game. Ingrid also has great res and charm that allows her to hit gambits better on maddening mode than most units. She's definitely A tier, probably A+ if that's where Petra and Leonie are simply because they can play similar roles well. Seteth and Catherine are also way too low. They should be top of A tier. Maybe even low A+ tier. Mercedes also should be higher than every other healer. Fortify + physic is better combination than anything Linhardt, Marianne or Dorothea have. She's the best healer in the game. Also as someone who loves Lorenz, I can't justify him anywhere higher than B or C. He leaves your team post time skip temporarily on silver snow and azure moon, which means verdant wind is the only route where he's usable long term. His growths are too average and his reason and faith spell list can't compare to the competition. It's a shame but it's hard to place him anywhere else.
Linhardt has Warp. Unlike the other two. Sorry but Linhardt is objective the best healer out of the three. Seteth should be lower as his bases aren't that amazing and he get destroyed by fast units like the Falcon Knights and Assassins.
@@royalhistorian5109 Seteth‘s growth is not bad, he only struggles in ch13 in church route because he can't get Swift Strike. After he get it, he can easily one-shot Falcon Knights and Assassins. Besides, Spear of Assal and Ochain Shield provide insane HP restoration.
@@royalhistorian5109 Sorry but objectively you're wrong. His magic isn't even that good, so his warp range isn't that great compared to Lysithea. FED overrated warp all the time And if warp and physic alone were all you need, then Hapi is better than Linhardt as well because she can do more than that. Mercedes is still better as a healer.
@@l.n.3372 It still Warp...and it still good, so Linhardt is objective better then Mercedes due to having warp. Sure his magic is actually solid 10 base magic and 45% growth rate on Magic is overall solid actually but he can still warp to Speed runs. As for Seteth, the problem is his availability alongside not so impressive base stats besides strength and maybe defence but other then that...they are not that impressive, also his speed and really carpy resistance does bite him in the ass in Maddening. His growth...look good but if you take his Wyvern growths...they look mediocre. Sure he a Wyvern rider but...anyone can be Wyvern Rider. So he not that special.
@@royalhistorian5109 I think you're missing the word objective here. You're not proving why Linhardt is better than Lysithea or Hapi simply for having warp. He's not objectively the best warper so no, I heavily disagree. Mercedes can also play roles that Linhardt can't simply because of gender locked class. Again Linhardt is not objectively better because of this too: it's a sad fact but a true fact that male mages are worse off than their female counterparts in this game. Hubert, Linhardt and Lorenz suffer as a result. Mercedes has better classes available than Linhardt does, so he's not better than her. Warp alone doesn't make him better and he's not the best warper, combined with fewer class options than the girls. That adds up to not better than them. Seteth can be worse than a trained Hilda, Ferdinand or Sylvain when all are wyvern. However, Seteth is not that low. If you search videos you can see how a 0% growths run of 3H takes advantage of Seteth despite his availability issues: he's immediately useful when he joins, and his bases are fine then. If you continue to use him in a run, his good growths will only make him better. He's also got easy access to the best class line in the game. Hence why he's pretty damn good.
I’ve played maddening classic of all the routes and I agree with most of it except Dimitri is definitely better than edelgard because of the strength of Avoid tanks for the same reason I’d actually move Felix to just past Lysithea as you can give him sword Avoid and he’ll solo the game on maddening it’s insane. I can’t say much about the DLC characters since I’ve only done one play through with them
@@CrazyHand196 Wyvern. But I also had Dimitri and Claude as Wyvern/Barbarossa and she didn't compare for me. Maybe I got RNG screwed but my Edie was fast and she was strong. But, my Dimi just did it better.
Edelgard is usually the hardest Lord to kill, given her strong defenses and solid offense. Dimitri pairs solid defense with overkill offense for a beast of the battlefield, and Claude's in between both with great stats all around. Just like their Smash Ultimate spirits... Edelgard is extremely defensive but not that flexible (one spirit slot), Dimitri is heavily offensive and can change things up a little (two slots), Claude is balanced and ripe for scheming (three slots).
@@browncoatkevin claude also gets stupid arts and abilities. Can easily be taken down both archer and brigand lines, falling star makes you dodge all attacks for a round, and wind god is a 2-5 range art. As well as having the strongest bow in the game, excluding maybe Inexhaustible. My Claudes current skills are Close Counter, Bowfaire, Bow Proficiency, Bow crit +10, death blow, so he hits stupid hard, and crits often. And, people think it's so spectacular wyvern Edelgard can clear kill the boss maps solo, when any flier can if you stride them and have Lysithea yeet them with the warp staff.
FED mentioned that Petra's value falls off in Maddening, but it's the opposite for me. In the lower difficulties, she's like a budget Felix who does the same thing as him, but not as well. In Maddening, her value skyrockets as one of, if not the, best dodge tanks in the game. The very concept of def/res tanking becomes moot later in Maddening, when even the tankiest units will have trouble surviving more than 2 rounds of combat in enemy phase. The only viable tanks are dodge tanks, and Petra as FK or WL can maintain Avo in the 80-90's against most enemies even in the end game of Maddening, if you go for an all-in Avo build. It doesn't matter that she will likely have subpar damage output because just having a unit that is practically unkillable is obviously invaluable and gives you so much flexibility in how you approach the situation.
Why are you putting Catherine so low? She's almost as good as Felix with almost no effort, and stays that way in the late game. Look at her growths. She's consistently been a slightly above average unit on my final team of ~15 units (~#6 after Lord, Lysithea, Felix, Byleth, and Hilda). She also has access to the darting blow and death blow combination, and uses it very well. I would put her just above Hubert.
Agreed. Catherine is a God. So is Seteth but he has a great class to start plus swift strikes. Catherine's only disadvantage is that if you want her in another class, she doesn't have good options since her weapon ranks don't help her beyond swordmaster. Which is a great class but it takes some extra effort to get her into falcon knight, which I've used in the past for her. Her secondary weapon rank of brawling is wasted which IMO is her only downside since she can't transition easily into a flying or mounted class if you want movement. But if movement isn't valuable to you, then she's amazing as a swordmaster.
Because you get late access, the rest of the skills she gets such as authority and bow skill are almost nonexistent, making her half a unit until you decide to invest in her. And even if you do, she can't catch up to your other units, skill wise. For example, the weight -5 skill is detrimental to gain attack speed on better weapons. Even though her speed is pretty high, her attack speed takes a hit because of her not having access to this skill unless you train her armored unit skill, which starts at E at around chapter 14.
@@sympathismYou have quick access to pegasus knight to get darting blow to make up for that. Plus, her speed growth is already fantastic. You don't go for weight -5 anyway, at least not on NG. Maybe NG+, at which point, you can instantly get it up if you've done it before. You can do it step-wise over multiple playthroughs prior to it if you want to, even just benching her and focusing her weapon ranks where you want them. Plus, weight -5 just isn't necessary when she performs excellently with lower weight weapons as is. Darting blow for strong player phase is more than enough speed support for her.
@@jonathandwilliams2885 Maybe on lower difficulties. On maddening the enemy units are so overstatted that weight -5 on a swordmaster unit is almost required, or you'll only double armored units. Unless you want to use iron weapons. Also, how do you have quick access to pegasus knight? I thought her flying and lance skill both start in E tier.
@@sympathism You're crazy. I beat Blue Lions Maddening and swordmaster Catherine/Felix have no issue doubling anything beyond enemy war masters/swordmaster/assassin. You absolutely do not need weight -5 on anyone. Edit: if you recruit her early, just train up her flying and Lance rank. She can probably pass the test as early as D rank flying and D rank Lance.
Some thoughts: - Anna suffers a bit because of her lack of supports, but her high dex + luck (with her +5 luck from her personal ability) makes her crit more than anyone in the game except Ashe maybe? That combined with her amazing speed and her crest (sometimes prevents counterattacks) makes her one of the best assassins. She's also got great resist which makes her an amazing mage killer, and also soulblade/hexblade - Marianne is being underrated here, she's probably the most offensively inclined "healer" archetype and can one shot almost anything with Blutgang + beast fang, or just soul blade in general. Does great with a Levin sword and also gets Silence which is getting super underrated here too. She's the only character in the game that I'd make a Holy Knight (Dark Knight works too but Dorte valkyrie->emperor IMO. You'll lose some strength but end up doing just as much, if not more damage with Lightning axe spam. Uncanny blow is amazing for an axe user as well. I wish emperor was able to use magic because she'd be one of the best units in any fire emblem game ever if that was the case - Yuri is underrated here and definitely the best trickster. You mentioned foul play and Fetters of Dromi but he also has a great personal ability (especially for a character with Stealth), he has Windsweep which is great for a support character who isn't necessarily trying to one shot everything, and he has Silence and Recover which are amazing and just more reasons that making him another, non-magic class would be a horrible waste. Great resist too. S tier easy - I do agree that Ingrid suffers on Maddening, but I still think you underrated her. Her high Res makes her perhaps the best mage killer in the game as a Falcon Knight, which has its own great resist bonus. She can just fly around the map killing mages that your other units don't want to deal with, which is something very few other characters can do. Also Luin + burning quake (which you get early in the game) does a pretty decent job of covering her low strength when you need it, and weighs very little so she can still double with it.
Dimitri is just as good as Ferdinand on avoid ( his skill also grants avoid to reach up to 100 avoid with skills alone) and dimitri is also a better unit in combat assuming your go maxed out avoid on both ( which ends up putting both in a class that gets avoid plus ten like wyvern lord) and dimitri just has better growths.
Harold Duggan I mean usually I just recruit him to get Thyrsus and leave him in the back of the box. If I’m on Blue Lions Route, I usually recruit and kill him afterwards in the Time Skip.
@@weebboi9457 Sure but he still got you one of the best relics in the game. Since you recruit him for that I'd say he's a high tier character, even if his strength might not be his combat strength. Also you kill Lorenz after her gets hot? You crazy.
@@faceyfacefaceface I disagree. By that logic theives are S tier units because they can get you some of the best weapons in the game. I definitely see what you are saying, but i feel like that's not enough to call a unit good
@@fillercontent9271 I mean I'd rank them c tier at best for saving you money on chest keys. Also I'd say this character tier list shouldn't just consider their merits as a unit, I'd argue granting you the best piece of gear in the game (arguably) in thyrus is just as important and rankable as proficiencies and stats. Also in many games thieves are considered high tier due to their utility.
Hey! This is a good tier list, and a good standard for ranking the characters. While evaluating on ease of use is maybe a less definable subjective standard than something like LTC, it is in practice how most people use and recommend characters, and gives the list more utility for people playing blind/semi-blind as well. Having played Maddening on every route at this point, and having some DLC experience on at least one route, there are a couple of major differences. I'm mostly assuming home route for students, and not factoring in items or paralogues that characters unlock. *Hapi* - I feel like she's A+, and doesn't quite belong with the S tier people. She's good, but not Lysithea good. It's not just that Lysithea has warp, or that she's a hard hitting tactical nuke. It's the combination of accelerated Mastermind growth and low weapon ranks for a very unique set of spells that just allows her to snowball. B warp on a Mastermind grown faith means warp by around Battle of the Eagle and Lion, even without dedicated effort on faith. B Dark Spikes is similar, except it likely will show up even sooner, wrecking nearly every cavalry - and a good many non-cavalry - from mid to end game. She is also one of only two characters to learn Luna, which is imperative for killing very dangerous endgame bosses. Mastermind boon in Authority means she can hop to high ranking battalions faster than anyone else, often with exclusive access to wonderful tools like Macuil Evil Repelling Co. Do I even need to touch on how quickly she'll reach +1 range if she's used offensively? Hapi just doesn't have the same kind of a niche. In practice she's like a slightly better, more offensive Linhardt with physics and warp. There's no dark spikes, warp is at A, no accelerated growth, and her bane in authority is limiting in the end game by comparison. Still a very good unit, but lacks the bonkers synergy between her growth, boons, and spell list that lets Lysithea just take off. *Claude* - I flip back and forth on this guy, but I feel uncomfortable ranking him with the other lords. He's wonderful in the second half of the game, but he can't carry the Golden Deer in the first half the way Edelgard and Dimitri carry their respective routes, which forces other units to step up a bit more. He's either the best A+ or the worst S. Not sure. *Hilda* - B+. I've never had great luck with her as a combat unit, and looking at her stats and growths I see why. People talk about Lysithea having accuracy issues, but Hilda is swinging that axe blind. She has the lowest dexterity base and growth of the Golden Deer while favoring the most inaccurate weapon type, learns no uniquely useful combat arts, and has worse growths on relevant stat for a Golden Deer physical class aside from 5 points in strength. Good charisma and fighting potential is also harmed by bane in authority. Has a nice personal though and is probably the best dancer for Golden Deer. Great cheerleader, but not a great combat unit. *Leonie* - Border of S and A+. What separates Leonie from the other combat units like Petra is her surprisingly useful tanky early game and how that can be leveraged to an early bulky pegasus knight. A 7 base defense ties for best Golden Deer defense, and her personal pushes it to 9 (along with pushing her strength to tie for highest). Combined with the fastest base speed, growths comparable to Claude, and Tempest Lance, she will wreck havoc in the early game in a way that few other units can compare. Another +2 defense from class skills and boons in the two best weapon types (lances and bows) means that when she goes pegasus (either before or after brigand) she'll be ready for solo missions while other units still need support to survive. And to top it all off she gets point blank volley for end game, and is a natural candidate for falcon knight dodge tanking with her weapon proficiencies. There's a reasons she's often a candidate for solo runs in the game. She is hurt a little bit off route, but on Golden Deer which lacks a good early combat unit, she is the natural heir to Jeralt. *Ingrid* - As others have pointed she should be higher. Even if she gets strength screwed, it's nothing a Wyvern or Paladin won't fix, and she has a unique amount of flexibility compared to otherwise similar combat units with her spell list and charisma. *Cyril* - I'm mixed on this guy because he does need work to get to wyvern and point blank killing, but most of that work can be done as an adjutant. He feels like B rank to me, just because Anna is so much less useful. But I guess this one is nitpicking.
You forget to mention how good Hilda's personal skill is working on both phases and allowing for up to 12 bonus damage per turn (possibly more with canto) at uncounterable ranges with curved shot/thyrsus etc. especially in the early game. Dex is one of the worst stats in the game with how little it affects hit and crit. Also "favouring" axes isn't a negative in a game where every unit can use pretty much every weapon and where wyvern lord is by far the strongest class. Agree with your other points though
@@iAmMuu I did mention the personal, but I probably didn't emphasize its value enough. It is a fair point. Much like similar personals in Fates the bonus damage does add up quickly, turning 3 move turns into 2, and 2 into 1, and I do make use of it a lot. Between her and Leonie Golden Deer is maybe the only route where male Byleth almost feels like a contender. Almost. I guess what's holding her back for me is an issue of comparison. As a combat unit, I don't feel like she does the heavy work of characters like Claude or Leonie. When I say she favors axes, what I really mean is that I have to work around this a bit to get her to use lances or bows, which are better weapons for combat in most of the game (though she does grow quick in lances, and E+ start is nice). Her accuracy can be worked around, but it's still the worst of the team at a point in the game where dexterity matters most. You can't divine pulse spam the early game to fix a miss, and there aren't many bonuses for her to compensate in terms of support, items, or battalions, especially with weak authority. And of course she does work as a wyvern - I've certainly used it - but she lacks the combat arts that let other wyverns/falcons excel, or the authority to use the best battalions. Which inevitably, at least for me, relegates her to a second tier flier unit. I think the best thing about Hilda is that she can go multiple routes, and she's one of the best dancers of Golden Deer without recruits. Dancer allows her to make use of her strengths (her personal, bolting, high charisma) without worrying about her weaknesses (lack of good combat arts, slightly worse stats than your best combat units, bad authority). I could be missing something about her, the game is still kind of new. But that's been my experience with her, I feel she always falls slightly short to Claude and Leonie. How has she compared for you?
@@OnlineVideoSurfer oh I absolutely agree her combat is usually worse than Claude's, leonie has instant tempest lance too which is a big point in her favour compared to Hilda. I did miss that you mentioned her personal, my apologies. Leonie is a bit 50-50 for me, the tempest lance is great early but I usually find the +3 to atk for males better early on - translates to +5 for sylvain and also increases damage for magic chip. I agree she can be a good dancer but she has a pretty easy time getting on a wyvern so I appreciate the better move and canto, she does decent curving shot chip with her above average strength. I also appreciate her being able to keep up to claude because with supports she gives him more atk too. I probably wouldn't recruit Hilda outside GD whereas leonie is a consideration, I just feel like her personal is worth more to me but to be fair I've never had an average or blessed leonie, she's always gotten a bit stat screwed unfortunately (I know what a good leonie looks like because I've had Petra be the hard carry a few times and leonie has better def) With maddening (especially in NG) I usually only have 2 or 3 combat dedicated units I'll feed some of the speed carrots/rocky burdocks to and it'll be whoever has the best str~spd>def probably some of felix/leonie/petra/byleth/the lord of the route. My hard carry is usually the character I'll invest the most into and it's whoever has the best stats around the time I get the shoes of the wind. In my last maddening GD it was felix who got some very solid speed and strength (enough to the point where he consistently avoided doubles and even doubled before booster investment with some lighter weapons like training axes and iron bows), I was able to grow enough speed carrots to keep him doubling the fast swordies throughout most of the campaign I still disagree that dex is an important stat, just like in most of the other games in the past it's one of the weakest combat stats, it's probably tied with or slightly better than luck. And back then in a few games dex gave 2 hit rather than 1. Although low dex is annoying, combat arts (especially for 3 range) and gambits are pretty great at reducing this and hilda gets very good charm "hit" for the latter
@@iAmMuu It's not that I think dex is that important in the scheme of the whole game. It's just in my opinion her dexterity is hurting her when the stat actually matters most (very early game mainly). Though she can work through it for sure. Sylvain of course is wonderful too, and in the very early maps the support from Hilda can make him competitive with Leonie. But his lack of flying, slightly worse growths, and somewhat notably worse bases does mean I always want to invest in her over him on home route, so in my experience he does drop off by comparative lack of use in the early-mid game. Plus even if she had zero attack growth for 20 levels tempest lance and strong bows will still carry her (and similar units) before wyvern (or even paladin, though that is worse) fixes her up. Either way, I probably should have been a little clearer on my Hilda critique. If I ever play the Golden Deer route again, I'll check again just how much the early accuracy matters. I do remember it being a problem even with combat arts, and certainly without.
If I were to promote a unit to a higher rank, it would be Caspar. People shit on Caspar for his abysmal starting stats plus the less than optimal growths (especially in speed) but heres all you need to do to get him to be good. Step one: Give him the training gauntlets, a mace (for armored units), and Jaralts mercenaries as soon as you godamn can, and never take them off. Step two: Raise his brawling up to C so you can give him killer knuckles (you can forge them from iron gauntlets starting at rank Profess lvl D+ I think) Step three: Raise his axe and brawl skill, change him into a war master, replace his mace with a hammer, give him a mach ring, and give him both bombard and mighty blow. Now you have an awesome unit that can move quickly on the battlefield and deal powerful blows to enemies while also being able to take a few hits due to his high HP. Really the only thing he doesn’t have going for him at that point is a good ranged option. (Which even then, let me remind you that Tomahawks exist) Caspar is the one of the best units in fire emblem history... He is super fun to use, He is consistent in how you use him, and he won MVP in almost all of my silver snow/crimson flower playthroughs. Now if only I would like him as a character...
Tbh Ingrid saved my ass countless times on Maddening. With her Avo-stat, she would regularly bait out group enemies, allowing me to easily dismantle them once they were disorganized. Equip Venin Lance and it doesn't matter how much damage she does, the poison does the rest Ingrid was definitely in my Top 2 run
Yeah her dodgetanking plus the enemy Pegasus Growths save her from mediocrity. I havent used her in Maddening but no other unit could dodgetank like she could, which could be attributed to her class. However she tends to make best use of Pegasus/Falcon Knight to have high utility in making enemy phase a little more trivial. The poison lance tactic sounds very smart on her aswell, as her strength seldom let's her one round even on Hard. She could easily be bottom of A+ or Top of A, just dont recruit her until late on Maddening.
And is EVEN SLOWER THAN RAPHAEL! I would rank her C+, if you have A list from S-F. Her spells do much damage and she is also not bad with physical weapons, but this comes in exchange for an absolutly poor speed. My Lvl 32 Hapi had literally 13 speed and that just because of the level up bonuses. It took her 30 levels to gain one speed point.
@@nick3805 she's just so high up because her personal skill is one of the most busted ones. Having clear aggro management against monsters is invaluable. Especially with Seiros shield later on.
@@nick3805 she fulfilled the role of tank + part breaker against monsters really well in my Verdant wind maddening run. Probably my 3rd MVP after Lysithea and Claude .
bernedetta is easily S / A plus! Vengeance goes well with her personal skill, if you pair her with a guard support she is nearly guaranteed to be on 1 or at least low hp(or you can just cast blessing to be sure), she can even 1 hit kill the death knight on maddening which is something that even lysithiya can't boast. If you want to you can also do the vantage, wrath setup and with the extra damage from her personal skill, close counter, optianal killer bows and some other crit and accuracy rasing skills, when in low health, she can can just be a better dimitri and have a 100 percent crit rate on all normal enemies, just don't attack anyone and get in the range of some enemies (due to vantage she'll go first).Plus UNLIKE Dimitri she can do this with long ranged enemies (without retribution) and still be useful in player phase with vengeance. If you make sure to kill enemies that are about to use gambits with her and other units she'll essentially have the player phase offense of lysithia and the enemy phase offence of dimitri
I think you underrated the archers and the brawlers. Thanks to Hunter's Volley for the Snipers and the innate +20 crit for War Masters they can do huge damage and usually 1RKO enemies, especially lategame, which is rare in maddening. I'd put Bernadetta as the worst of the archers because it's harder for her to get Death Blow. My personal take would have Raph and Caspar high in B+, Ignatz and Ashe in A, but Balthus, Shamir, and Bernadetta about where they are now. I've never used Alois but his strength in Brawling probably helps him out too.
Bernie is undoubtedly better than ashe, since her crest is awesome. also I think bernie is the second best archer, and ashe as the worst. Leonie is best boy
Bernie is better ashe with that passive of her's which is slightly weaker death blow. Also training her in axes wont be a problem bc the sauna gives that +4 skill experience if you get a perfect. She really should be higher bc its so easy to get her passive to activate and early game its a great boon.
@@zophyissleepy Sauna is Season Pass exclusive so i don't think that should really be taken into account if we're being fair here. But her passive is definitely what makes her better than Ashe. Although from my experiences i just use Ashe because i hate carrying around keys. and he crits a lot for some reason. Bernie is way more consistent in her damage output though.
@@RetardTheRetard-ey9zm Fair point but we have to take into account the fact that many ppl bought the season pass and its something they can use. Also you don't even need it that much and you'll get to brigand soon. Ashe's passive seems quite meh since very few maps have items that actually matter like Chapter 13 with the Ake of Ukonsavara but it still doesn't seem worth it. Don't get me wrong Ashe is strong but I think his passive leaves little to be desired.
I kinda agree with you in Annette's position but since she's my fave character out of everyone I'll place her SSS+ tier (this is just me being super biased hehe)
Annette is my favourite female character and unfortunately she’s the worst mage student in the game people over value her rallies since she doesn’t gain xp from them so if you have her rallying all the time she’s going to lag behind on her levels. If rallies allowed her to acquire xp then she would definitely be a better unit
Great stuff as usual! I'm wondering though, if we are considering DLC as well as items like Thyrsus, I would consider Dimitri the best by far because of the introduction of chalice of beginnings. He can now vantage sweep ranged units as well as siege magic users. With enough charm his only weakness (enemy gambits) can be mitigated as well. God Tier for maddening imo.
Chalice of beginnings can make tons of units enemy turn sweepers. My Petra has vantage, wrath, and defiant crit, and I give her a devil axe to lower her hp for one round before sending her out as a monster flier.
Here is some suggestion: Leonie: Up to bottom S: Amazing growth rates, no weakness, solid bases...yea she really good...like really good. Dorothea: Down a bit: She too fragile and her spell kit is a bit lacking especially white magic. Linhardt: Way Up to A: He has warp...that should already speak for itself. Catherine: Up to A: Can easily make the first part of the game a joke and really helps after the timeskip due to her bases. Seteth: Down: His bases aren't that amazing like Catherine and in Maddening he gets completely destroyed by the faster units. Especially the Falcon Knights and Assasins. Raphael: Down: His rally doesn't mean much and he can't do just job as a tank. Ingrid: Up: She can easily get into a filer class and get Darting blow from Pegasus Knight. Felix: Slight down maybe? Getting his shield is a pain in the ass and his personal skill is useless due to Battalion giving much stat gains. The Rest seems fine... besides maybe switching Claude with Dimitri. I mean come on, Claude gets his own personally Flying Class for free! Edit: Edelgard should get her own tier list. She breaks the game in half. Like Edelgard with Aymr is super dumb and can cheese all of the maps if you save your repair materials correctly.
I could be wrong but I think Dorothea as a dancer is one of the best in the game and that should give her something. meteor to have support from nearly anywhere is a great boost imo.
@@ufailowell Well anyone could be a dancer ...after all the White Heron Cup isn't that hard. So Dorothea isn't that special. Meteor is nice but she unlocks it at the end game.
Leonie with Point-Blank Volley and Curved Shot as a Wyvern Lord is really good, high hit rate and high speed make her a sniper but with 3 more mov and can fly
How is yuri only A+ tear I think he’s the best unit in the game (if you don’t count Edelgard) and if you put him down the dancer path and get sword equals avoid +20 and then promote him into a trickster he can solo the whole game because no one’s able to him.
I think Bernie is A tier cuz like She learns Vengeance at C+ Lance which does more damage the less hp she has. This is HUGE cuz you can just slap on HP +5 and death blow, have her take damage and she literally deletes units. Having her go Cav or Peg Knight which allows her to nuke n dip
Hapi, imo, isn’t S Tier. Her magic growth isn’t as good as Lysithea and she isn’t as fast as her either. From my experience, she isn’t strong enough so she can one shot an enemy or fast enough in order to double. She’s on par with Linhardt tbh.
Female magic users are just better due to having access to Gremory valkary and dark flier her utility alone makes her amazing flying warpers an argument could be make for all 5e ashen wolves except Balthus being s tier
While I wouldn't say Shes bad Putting Lysethia in S teir is saying shes better then all of A tier at there best. At Lysethia best shes a magical nuke or a warper. When Sylvain can be a Lance of Ruin wyvern user, Felix being literally a speedy nuke, Ferdinand the same as Sylvain but a little worse. One thing they all have over her is they can actually handle themselves. She is not gonna match any maddening units in speed, her defense is an absolute joke and she mostly stuck to infantry classes other then maybe Dark flier. Shes better then many units but again I think you very overrate her. The only units who really belong in S are the lords and Byleth
Lorenz: shit charm, invalidated by Hapi, however can clean up stragglers well, Ignatz: Rally god, hits shit everytime, if you like to cheese make him a dancer.
Hilda seems a little overrated. I tried using her in BL maddening and found her speed and skill bases to be too low. I would have thought Petra and Leonie would be better.
I made Hilda a Wyvern Lord and then she kicked ass. Though most people's opinions of her are likely boosted by the meme. Any character can be bumped up or down a tier based on likability alone.
I'm not exactly saying move Ignatz up (I haven't played him in maddening) but I currently have trickster Ignatz with insane Luck, Speed and Dex and reliable Strength and Magic. He rarely gets hit, always doubles, has generally 40-60 crit, and has Physic and Foul Play. For items he uses a steel bow (just in case y'know), silver sword, cursed sword of ashyk (don't remember the name) for 80 crit sometimes if necessary and some other weapon I don't remember and has a goddes ring for more luck and self heal
Correct. I manually grinded swords and axes on her for brigand and hero, getting her death blow and defiant strength. Then I sent her down pegasus line for darting blow and defiant avoid. Darting blow, death blow, defiant strength, defiant avoid, lance proficiency, Lancefaire, canto, avoid+10, persecution complex. Its insane. Can put avoid stance+ on her instead of maybe darting blow since she will already be super fast. Have her hold a devil sword and put her near a couple enemies for a round or two. Now you are in defiant range. With defiant strength, persecution complex, death blow, and Lancefaire, hoo boy vengeance is stupid. Defiant avoid helps her stay alive.
I would love to see a Verdant Wind tier list since you mad ones for CF and AM. Also it’s nice that the Wolves are good. Woulda been upset if they weren’t lol
How is Caspar hard to recruit? In my opinion, other than a female Byleth recruiting Sylvain, he has the easiest requirements in the game when recruiting other house members. You will get a 10 strength naturally just by playing, so that's a non-issue, and a C in Brawling is very doable. Even if you don't wanna use gauntlets with Byleth, since brawling's a strength of theirs, it goes up much faster than having to train lances or axes to recruit characters who need those when you don't wanna ever use those weapons on Byleth.
I think it's because Caspar and Ferdinand have their B support locked behind timeskip, which is the easiest way to recruit people. A lot of people ignore the stat/skill requirements
@@llw1508 Well, you can't actually recruit a lot of students at B support anyways because their requirements are really high and B support only goes so far. Take a look at the tables on the Recruitment page on Serenesforest. If you C+ support with Caspar, the requirements go down to 6 strength and D+ in brawling. I get that support is how most people do it, but in all my time playing this game, I feel like it's pretty impossible to B support every single student you want to recruit before doing so, especially since B support isn't a guaranteed recruit either, only A support is.
@@AJMC82 if you manage to get B support with the students you want before u finish a save, NG+ and unlock the B ranks immediately, the students will ask to join you. It's not immediate but it usually happens before the first skirmish, where u fight Kostas
I can agree with Edelgard being 1st place. She has some of the best damage and the best defense on the game and she has decent dodging. She is definitely the most over powered house leader. Dimitri’s good too.
Personally, I feel like Claude is the most op house leader, but yeah, all three of them are insane units. Claude in my eyes shines from the insane growths of his unique classes, the skill diversity from being able to go down either the archer or brigand line, his unique skill giving him pass, a 2-3 range bow with the highest mt of all bows, a crit boost, and the combat art letting him dodge all attacks for one enemy phase, self healing from crest, a 2-5 range combat art, the list goes on and on. Gets enclosure too which has already been stated in the video to be super good. And his personal battalion is insane.
Louie Satterwhite I didn’t mean to discredit Claude. He is a fantastic unit. All of the house leaders have different roles though. Edelgard is meant to tank and one shot. Claude’s job is to dodge and crit. Dimitri’s is to have reliable damage and crits.
Yuri and anna should not have that much of a tier difference. They have similar growths and weapon proficiency. The only major difference Yuri has better base stats and proficient in authority Anna has an easier time becoming a flier(pegasus, neutral in flying, proficient in axes) or bow knight(proficient in riding) Imo both should go to A. yuri it is difficult to get him into a good class and Anna is basically worse petra
Anna is automatic C tier because she's supportless. Supports are mandatory on maddening and valuable on hard. Her good stat growths are irrelevant if she gets merc'd because she can't do linked attacks with extra might and avoid. Yuri is an invaluable vantage swordmaster. The strengths in reason and faith are just icing if you decide you want to take him down the Mortal Savant route.
Yuri should be S tier in my opinion. The fact that he learns Windsweep so early make the early game much easier. Beating the Death Knight is much easier considering you get a free hit with Yuri since DK won't attack back due to Windsweep
Bernadetta is amazing with the lance combat art - Vengeance, get her HP low and leave it and she one hit kills anything including the death knight early on, ofc i always play on maddaling if you know how to use her is by far one of the hidden gems in the game S tier for me
I’d move Bernie up to A because persecution complex makes her one of the biggest damage dealers early game. It’s especially effective with vengeance and because it’s easier to get her into riding you could do Paladin for lancefair for even more and then canto out with move +1. Vantage and battalion wrath with killer bow plus and sniper is also insane with her personal skill
I know that is a personal tier list, but I have some disagreements with it: 1. Ashe is the same unit as Bernadetta and Ignatz but with better bases(in terms of utility and growths). I think he have 2 points higher str and spd than the other two. He can go wyvern easy enough. Of course Bernadetta will be a flyer ealier, but this just means that Ashe will get Death Blow instead of Darting Blow(of course if you can master 2 classes before lv 20 Ashe can get Death Blow and Hit +20 while Bernadetta will get Death Blow and Darting Blow), but as an advanced class Ashe will have 7 mov while Bernie still 6(of course unless you go nuts and train her in axes a lot too). Ignatz's Rally means nothing since most of the time he will be a combat unit. So maybe put Ashe between Ignatz and Bernie(since Ignatz combat is arguably better)? 2. I think that both Lysithea and Hapi are good units and warp is good too, but is it really S tier though? Both of them can't do EP at all. Both of them can nuke or OHKO enemy units, but this doesn't say much since any other "mage" unit can do that as well(aside from OHKO). Speaking of OHKOing stuff: from my expirience and from what I've seen from other people, Lysithea have just enough damage to OHKO most of the enemies which means that she will not get a few points of magic she will be 1-2 points away from doing so. I think same goes for Hapi. The game is PP focused, but EP is still important: you can bait enemies, you can kill them with stronger units. Of course it dumps her to other units' point, but this is why I don't think that they're S tier unit, they're not that good. And on PP simply everyone can ORKO enemies(of course if we're assuming that this is a team of strongholds). Warp is not that good in Maddening since exp, a fair number of route maps and bulky bosses in "defeat the boss" chapters. So maybe about mid of A+? 3. Is Balthus really that good? I mean he's better than Dedue and Raph, but that doesn't saying much. He still can't double or quad enemies aside from armors, he still gets a lot of damage on EP. So, is he better than Catherine, Shamir, Ingrid, Seteth, Bernadetta, Ignatz and Ashe? I don't think so. 4. Speaking of Ingrid. It's fun how she was considered one of the- if not the best unit in the game and now people seems to see her as quite ok unit. Anyway, she have the easiest access to the flyer class, good personal skill and combat arts, and also good spell list if you want to make her a mage class. Of course she struggles a lot in the early game and can't ORKO a lot of enemies in later chapters, but this is still unfair to put her bellow Lorenz, Flayn, and maybe Seteth and Shamir. 5. Swift Strikes is a good combat art, but it comes too late. You will get it about 2/3 of the game if you go Wyvern and earlier if you go Paladin. It means that 2/3 of the game units such as Felix, Leonie, Petra and Yuri will be more superior. But even after that the only thing that they can do, that those 4 cannot is not taking a counterattack. Also worth noting that Combat Arts are a PP thing, so on EP they cannot kill stuff unless they have enough speed. 6. I thought that Mercedes is the best healer in the game, so why Marrianne is above her? Sure she have better spell list, but most of the time they will not fight so it doesn't matter all that much 7. Cyril's Point-Blank Volley is better than Caspar's nothing. So maybe put Cyril above Caspar? For the rest of the list I kind of agree(I can only nitpicking to some positions such as Catherine>Shamir and so on). Hope you will notice this comment and agree or disagree with me :3
D+ is enough for Brigand and C for Wyvern Rider and C+ for Wyvern Lord, just set Axe and Flying as Bernadetta's goal, tutoring her bow and forget about Pegasus Knight. The subject experience from Goals are fixed, are unaffected by the student's subject affinities.
@@altha201 C in axe and C in flying with 12 lck equals 42% pass rate for wyvern rider, which means there is only a 7.4% chance that she will fail for 3 consecutive weeks. And C in lance, C+ in axe and A in flying equals 40+(Luck/2) pass rate for wyvern lord. But if you don't like the idea of using S/L to save seals, this is unreliable for sure.
I am a bit curious how Catherine and Seteth fall off when they have better growths than like 70% of the students...they start good and stay good. Catherine needs to invest flying and lance to go Falcon Knight since Swordmaster is meh long term, but Seteth is in the only class he needs as soon as he joins and has an incredible growth spread, with amazing weapon ranks and Swift Strike. I fail to see how either of them fall off, especially him.
Had too abandon Ferdinand for leonie in my maddening CF play through. Everyone has such a high opinion of ferdie but I’ve ended up with a lack luster (RNG screwed) unit in multiple play throughs unfortunately (same with hilda). Flier Petra carried my maddening run however. Lysithea is definitely S tier, her spell list is incredible and warp and trivialize maps even on maddening Ashe is a decent unit but never really stood out for me. He definitely shines in the cindered shadows campaign though.
I agree on Ferdie. I can't tell if I just get RNG screwed every time or if people are simply overhyping him :D Lysithea is - in my opinion - by far the best unit in the game. Her magic stat is insane, her spell list is great both for power and utility and she has consistently one-shot enemies that other units can't even hurt. Definitely the MVP of my maddening run.
4Tom4lepus4 Lysithea holds up the harder the game gets. We’ve seen glass cannons in the series before but lysithea is by far the most potent magic unit I’ve used in a fire emblem game.
I think he's overrated in the wrong areas. He's a dodge tank, really. Keep him a wyvern with alert stance+, his personal and the class bonus, and you got a good dodge. He can use Cichol's lance too. That and swift strikes hurts any non foretress knight.
Ducklord Never made him a flier, definitely have to give that a try. I’ve made him a bow knight and great knight but flier with alert stance sounds pretty good thanks!
Ferdinand is S tier on Maddening. Wyvern Lord + Evade Ring + full HP on his personal + avoid battalion is disgusting. On the CF final map, the highest hit % anything had on him was like...30% from those ridiculous pegasus knights. Otherwise, if you alert stance and wait , enemy hit rates on him were like 5-20%. He's so good.
Catherine carried me through the game not to mention she pretty much kills any unit in the game with thunderbrand doing x4 hits I'd move her to the middle of A+ personally
I think Ashe should be moved in to B+ or even A tier, from my personal experience he is really easy to class in to brigand and gets strength much more often than Bernie and Ignatz while having Shamir tier crit rates- I will admit he isn't amazing until you get to sniper but when he does get there he's one of my most effect killers.
So I can agree with or understand most of these rankings (for the characters I've actually used at least) but HARD disagree on Ingrid from my experience. Falcon Knight Ingrid was the absolute savior of my late game Blue Lions Maddening. She was able to double a lot of units, basically the ones that aren't from "fast" classes like Swordmaster or Pega knights, she's a mage tank and mage killer, but most importantly, INSANE dodge. Alert Stance+ and Swordbreaker, most units have single digit hit rates against her, sometimes even 0, and almost no one even breaks 15. Even axe users with lancebreaker don't seem to be able to handle it, and archers are a joke due to the distance penalty to accuracy they take because they love to attack from a distance. This is nice with a Silver Lance or Spear to aggro enemies while simultaneously softening them up for easy kills, but one more thing makes her even more ace. Retribution, a 2 per battle Gambit on a couple Battalions (one of which I think is easy to get) that gives a group of units the ability to counterattack from any range for FIVE TURNS. Give her this and a silver Lance or Luin and enjoy. Archers? Wrecked. Mages, even with 3 range spells or magic range plus skills? Easy dead. And the big lovely bit, seige tome mages, the annoying pieces of crap? Deader than dead. She did SO much work as soon as she got Alert Stance +, there were plenty of enemies she couldn't one-round, but she could draw in and survive groups of enemies better than ANY tank, while also doing enough damage for your other units to easily finish them off without reprisal.
Agree 100% with you Ingrid is one of the best dodge tanks and the bane of all mages she has carried my entire team so many times she deserves top of A+ tier honestly because in my opinion she is a better unit than Sylvain and Felix. People like to bring up her strength growth but this can easily be padded out by taking her on a detour through wyvern rider before reaching her endgame of Falcon Knight and giving her some strength boosting items.
What is Balthus doing as A+ tier? I really think there should have been some justification other than "he is beater than Rafael" because Raphael is one of the worst units in game. That is like me claiming Bernie is S tier because she is beater than Ashe.
I think that flayns best use is a dancer but I also think that Yuri is a really good dancer class because his relic gives canto so he gets to move far to another units allow them to move and still be able to move a space or two
I made a comment but I don’t think it actually sent, so I’ll do it again. Merecedes should be A+. Your argument that she dies to any physical unit, while valid, is the same with all the other healers in the game. As long as you don’t recklessly move her around the map, she is helping out better than any other healer in the game. Plus, her skill can help her recover her health if needed. Other than that, I’m fine with all your other placements. Love the context and keep it up 😊
There is too big of a gap between Raphael and Balthus. Balthus has one more defense at base and they both have the same growth. Balthus is still better to due having a crest and a better personal skill, but not but that much.
I would move Constance to S tier simply because her speed Growth is DUMB, and Bolting is way too useful. Let me give you a tip, make Yuri your Dancer just for Sword Dance and Sword Avoid. He becomes the best Avoid Tank, but don't leave him as a Dancer for too long because he has a bad Strenght Growth.
Cyril is ridiculous! All my maddening playthroughs abuse killer weaponry, and his Point Blank Volley combined with his natural affinity for Wyvern Riding and killer bows makes him an expert killer. Right now he's putting Claude to shame. Cyril is amazing! Just, make sure to groom slow starting units. I attach adjuncts to Byleth and Catherine to soak up experience and weapon/class points. Best strategy for maddening is to go all in on Byleth, and then to train allies by forcing them into support roles. Also, pump your Byleth with *ALL* the stat boosters. The avatar will be the only unit involved in 100% of your battles.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 I started the game on maddening. This strat has been a lifesaver! I'm particularly attached for that reason, and I find it's the most effective. That and: squads formed on movement, get thyrsus no matter what, and killer-knuckles(and *ANY* crit bonus) are the best! I'm just happy to be: "over the hill" on maddening's learning curve. I estimate the finale will kick up the difficulty immensely, and so I'm beefing up my fighters hardcore; I might be dissappointed if I overshoot it though.
Just got done with my first BL playthrough, on Maddening ng+, and Ingrid was probably my best unit. I definitely can agree her strength is lacking, though. She’s probably the prime example of ”you get out of her what you put in”. Mine was a monster, but I had to dump most of my strength items into her during the first half. Once she gets Alert Stance+, she can be a game changer for baiting enemies. After that, got her to S rank in Lance, gave her the scythe from the Mercedes/Caspar paralogue, and the 44% crit Chance per hit made up for her lack of strength. Have a teammate hit her with Retribution gambit to watch her destroy half the endgame map, lul Also Ashe was mid af but he came in SUPER clutch in the final map with 5 consecutive Failnaught crits.
Bernadetta- No mention of her single greatest strengthwhich makes her a god of death. Encourages sniper. Puts her in B+. Let me stop you right there. Don't make her an archer. Ignore her when she wants to use bows. She's not good with bows. She just isn't. Instead, do one of two things. Either make her a Cavalier/Paladin/Bow Knight, or go galaxy brain and turn her into a Pegasus Knight/Falcoknight. If you turn her into a cavalier, get her a steel lance, the heaviest shield you can find, and a grappler/armor knight adjunct. If you turn her into a flier, ignore that, give someone in your army the blessing battalion. Which you can apparently win in a minigame I've never tried, and you can buy post timeskip. Get her to C+ rank lances. All of which is really easy to do and takes minimal investment. Proceed to place her in S tier.
You had me up until S-tier. I'd honestly rank her with the other brave combat users. I agree with everything else you said though, and it's odd that he didn't mention Vengeance at all
@@isaiah204 I honestly have to rank her above them. She gets vengeance significantly earlier than they get Strikes/Point Blank, kills easier with it, has better class options as a female with a good lance art, and, quite frankly, is more useful before she gets it due to her personal ability and her initial strength with bows. If Sylvain and Ferdinand are high A+ tier with Leonie not particularly far behind, I see no way for Bernie not to be in S tier. I've personally found that getting her to Falcoknight is honestly so absurdly potent that she compares to the three lords. Which is made amusing when I get her to activate both defiant avoid and alert stance to become basically immortal despite being nearly dead. But maybe that's just me.
Petra for me is almost always amazing, I made her a wyvern lord and she had 40 strength and 40 speed. Petra's growths and potential, at least when I use her, is just amazing
Not everyone plays like they're rushing in and destroying everything on sight. I play pretty defensively while trying to maintain mobility. I'd rate Lysithea at B+ for my own playstyle, but opinions are just opinions, and I'll respect them.
Is it normal, that Jeritza (and male Byleth) carried my game when I played maddening? He's definitely up there in S with Dimitri, Claude, Edelgard and Byleth.
I found Bernie more useful than Ignatz. First, deadeye was really useful for chip damage early in maddening mode. But I also abuse vengeance. On maps where she can take a hit without dying, I send her around to deal massive damage with vengeance.
Overall good tier list, I Just disagree with a few placements, i'll state how i've built these characters on my playtrough and why i think my experience with then was different then what you described, i don't want to trash on your video on anything, it's mostly very accurate, these are just my opinions on these few instances that i think they can be way more then what you described: 1:Marianne: she can be more then just a healer, she learn soulblade, so if you go the monk > preist > bishop > trickster route, she'll have a lot res, increasing soulblade's damege, so if you make her a trickster she can be a oneshoting unit while having stealth, so when paired with a very durable tank or a dancer petra with alert stance, or alert stance +, she can go within enemy range, oneshot then, and don't get targeted on enemy phase, while she can use foul play and healing, this build also work wonders with her hero's relic, since butclanc doesn't scale with strength, but with mag, and you will probably get renewal on this route, learning renewal, and using her personal skill, you can use the cursed sword on you get on the chest in reunion at dawn without ever neading healing from other unists, on my run she oneshoted enemies as consistently as lisythia, so i think she's at least A+, with the dlc. 2: Raphael: his only weakness, having low hit rate, can be fixed with battallions, and since he learn battallion wrath very early, you can decrease a battallion endurence to 1/3 and then equip battallion wrath, and then he will become a awsome enemy phase unit mid game, if you instruct only brawl and authority, after getting battallion wrath you can start building just brawl and axe, and at late game make him a war master, give him a critical ring and a battallion with high hit and crit and then you won't nead battallion wrath anymore, at this point he deletes everything both on player and enemy phase. 3 Ignartz: his personal skill can stack with archer's mastery skill, and both affect not only weapon attacks, but also gambits, so you can focus his growth on stats besides charm and dexterity and still have high hit rate, so you can master archer to get hit +20 and brigand to get death blow with the knowledge gem before moving him to sniper, and then get hunter's volley, and in the time you made him a brigand he had some strengh growth boost, and thanks to 2 stacks oh hit +20 you can give him just a accuracy ring and instead of a battalion with high hit, you can focus on a battalion with high physical attack, and since hunter's volley hit twice, the physical attack bonus have twice the efect, so at mid to lategame he oneshot most enemies that aren't armored, monsters or bosses, and for those he uses break shot so everyone else canbeat it easier, and the hit plus 40 also affects gambits so he doesn't nead to build charm and can also help with breaking monster barrier. 4: dorothea, she is one of the only 3 units that learn meteor, outside of hanneman and... anna... for whatever reason, so a gremory dorothea can attack groups of enemies from very far away twice, and she learn white magic avoid, another awsome talent, making her very broken on endgame, and she learn thoron very early, wich also giver her a lot of value early game.
My lysithea on madding is an absolute monster. She literally soloed the gronder field map post timeskip and its hilarious. Made her a dancer with the +20 avoid sword skill, the flying skill with +30 avoid on wait, sword prowess and lethality. She doesnt care about str stat at all since she has an astronomous dex, which makes her lethality proc with a 10% proc rate. I also learned that when nosferatu procs lethality, youd get the health. Yum 120 hp monsters giving her 60 health on proc.
I was surprised the DLC characters got timeskip designs, but not being able to see Balthus's abs anymore was a sad day for America.
It’s a shame I can only like this comment once. ☹️
Will E lol
Only in New Game+ though
@@ManuCarrotman312 That's not true. You can change it whenever.
I recently beat a New Game on CF and I definitely did not have the ability to change back the appearance to pre-timeskip. Unless it's a DLC feature? I own it but I don't have it installed. I know of the extra outfits including Academy uniforms but I that doesn't change their actual appearance.
Very late to the party, but a few things: You didn't really mention Bernadetta with Vengeance. This single-handedly makes her as good as the other brave art users. The damage scales one-to-one with how much hp the unit lost, so...even if Bernie got screwed in the a- with strength, she would still be outdamaging the majority of the cast.
Your opinions on petra and Leonie...are exactly my opinions on Hilda. Like, her stats are fine, basically the same as Ferdinand and Sylvain, but get screwed with a stat like speed or strength, and she really feels it. She doesn't have anything that makes her stand out and at best is just a good Wyvern Lord (which is still pretty damn good, mind you). Idk, she's easily the most overrated unit in 3H in comparison to how good people say she is vs how good she actually is. I'd bump her down to A tier if I'm being honest, maybe even bottom of A. Yeah, Hilda gets that axe, but anyone can use it to good extent, whether they have a crest or not. I mean, a lot of my strategies involve point-blank Volleying with Failnaught.
Speaking of PBV, did you forget Leonie has that? Because it didn't seem like you took that into consideration when evaluating her. That in an of itself, along with her growths and bases, should make her at least where Ferdinand is. Like really, she doesn't need all that much to stay relevant in playthroughs, and PBV alone deals with the most dangerous foes easily (like Assassins and flyers).
Hilda is good if you put her in the right classes. I'm mean yes Hilda is slow but she is a freaking tank and I have never had a problem with her. If you make her a great knight and give her the Hexlock shield sis is basically invincible. But I also respect your opinion.
I do see where you're coming from, but I think Mercedes is slept on. Yes she dies to Archers and Melees, but if you place her carefully, she great scaling on Mag/Spd/Res (50%/40%/45% respectively) and Fortify. She can easily bait/tank mages while returning with Bolganone. Yes, her passive is a bit redundant most of the time since she'll be at 100% or 0% HP, but I've had it be useful in some skirmishes here and there. Personally I would put her in Mid/Bottom A+ tier.
Aside from that, I agree with the placement of every other character. Keep up the content!
She's like to best healer in the game
She was better mage than my Annette
Yuri and Felix are easily S-Tier, while Hapi might only be A or A+ imo.
Constance and Jeritza could be S-Tier candidates too, and you underrate Mercedes, she‘s the best healer ig atm
Constance is definitely S tier. Flying mage is stupid good, and she has an insane black magic spell list with Agneas Arrow, Bolting, and Fimbulvnter. As well as being tied with *Lysithea* for the highest magic growth in the game.
Petra as a Bow Knight is the best character in the game
Dimitri has her beat there in every way besides speed. He also has riding prof. to get +1 mv faster
Dorian L The reason Petra is best is because of her unique ability. The extra crit on a character with practically limitless range is crazy. She can have 100% crit rating with the crit ring equipped.
In all 3 of the CF playthroughs I've done, Jeritza has easily been the best unit every time. It's a shame his availability is so bad, he's extremely fun to use.
Yes. He literally critted the final boss twice in a row (he doubled with the Scythe of Sariel) and finished it off. I think it was on its last bar with full HP. I got him a bit after the update he was added (i was in the middle of a CF run) and he was easily my best unit. I just regret putting him to the right in Endgame. He took so long to catch up, and he needed to be on foot. But yes, Jeritza is amazing, a shame he's only available on CF. Maybe you could talk to the Death Knight in an early Timeskip chapter with Mercedes and recruit him.
Jet_seT Yeah I had a similar experience, on my maddening run he literally solo’d the Immaculate One- it was pretty funny. I’ve always thought 3 houses had a sort of sandbox mode where you can play through any route with any character on your side, would be fun as hell to have Jeritza on the same team as Dimitri and watch them two-man entire armies.
Lawlup TheLombre That would be amazing. Just Jeritza Dimitri and maybe Claude. Best combination ever.
Though maybe it could just be any map. You could use any unit from your completed files and the enemy’s level would be adjusted accordingly.
I had just started Crimson Flower when he was added, and he was as much of a beast as you would expect. The highlight is him getting crit by Seiros on the Dimitri map and one shotting her with a critical of his own
Gilbert: Am I a joke to you?
Justin Evans how could I miss Gilbert?! C tier btw
Yes. Yes he is.
FED id say he should be the same tier as Alois. They both basically have similar stats, availability, and proficiency. Sure his spd is a lot worse but if you reclass him to a diff class his base spd will go up.
Bob Fan in my opinion his speed is beyond repair. By the time you get him you’ll have far better units for a spot on the battlefield. The only reason I’d see using Gilbert is to get a c support with him so you can get Annette’s magic axe. But I guess if you put a lot of work into him he could be good but that goes for every unit in the game.
@@justinevans3999 yeah but Alois's spd is bad as well. He isn't double anything. Im saying that he is just as good as Alois. So either move Alois down or Gilbert up.
One problem I really had with Anna is that she has *NO* supports with anyone so it makes her instantly less useful to not synergize with any characters for link attacks
Yeah I'm post timeskip and she's like level 6 or something and that's only because of her paralouge, which she was useless and dead weight
I regretted recruiting her until I got to her paralogue, which I think is really the only reason you would ever have to recruit her in the first place since she's a sub par unit with no supports
It's true, but the major problem is her base stat and growth rate just so fckn bad.
If i have a stat & growth rate like jeritza i dont't believe support is very needed (S=10 hit& 10 avo).
She is meant to be useless.
yuri is literally just a better anna
Stardevoir how you get Anna, it’s a dlc?
Ashe isn't just a lockpick. He can be a FLYING lockpick.
Flying lockpick Ashe is something you never know you needed. I sure damn miss him opening chests without wasting his, or other units’ inventory for a chest key whenever I didn’t recruit him.
Wyvern Ashe huh? I’ve never considered that how does it compare to him being a bow knight?
Pearse Molloy Just slap a Long Bow on him and he’s instantly better in every way.
@@pearsemolloy9656 it's imo his best way to go, if you give him reposition he also helps save time on chapter 21 of the blue lions route, because soon after you start you'll reach a fence on the right side, which reposition on him and any other flying unit will save a lot of time
Pearse Molloy Well his weakness to archers sucks, but the movement tradeoff is a BIG plus, and you also get canto. Definitely worth, unless you need hunter's volley for the damage.
I honestly think Felix and Yuri are easy S tier. Felix is a dodge-tank that crits a lot and pops his crest almost every turn, player turn and enemy turn. He's incredibly flexible also but from my experience he makes an amazing trickster. Granted, my Felix has Death Blow and Fiendish Blow to help him out. Yuri, I haven't used him much but he's amazing.
Seems like a lot of unnecessary work to get those class abilities for Felix especially since you have to train him in axes so he can get certified for brigand
@@pearsemolloy9656 it's fairly easy on multiple playthroughs. It really depends on how much you want to get out of the game. Felix is a really flexible unit and can use bows, swords, and fists really effectively. He's one of the best war masters/grapplers in the game so its really easy to raise his axes if you want to go that route. It can definitely be a problem if you only want to use him on one playthrough though and not use your renown to get the past skills in ng+
Sebastian Charles I see what you mean but I don’t really do those kinds of things because I never really play new game plus I don’t really like having all those OP battalions and class abilities from the beginning of the game. I like to keep the progression system in tact
Ok this is gonna sound crazy, but holy Knight Felix
Thanks for the idea. I'll do it.
I made Yuri my dancer in my current run. He hasn't been hit since. S-tier.
I did the same, its great flipping around to see the chance of enemy hits on him and seeing 0%, 0%, 0%. Dancer Yuri is hands down my best dodgetank in maddening.
@Merciless Freak lol nope. 40% dex growth and 45% luck make him great for archery, especially getting dead eye as a budding talent. 40% strength is average, so not too bad on that front. He can be either a support trickster or the best assassin in the game, since assassin will give him 60% dex and 85% speed, meaning he will crit often and double literally everything, even on maddening. His decently high luck and insane speed will make him dodge almost everything, even on maddening.
Ingrid Dancer = Best Dancer. Change my mind.
@@Your_Highlord I always make Ingrid my dancer. Yuri is too valuable of a combat unit to make him my dancer, especially with his Crest.
Use fetters on him for a dancer that can keep up with the unit they danced for.
Dimitri post time skip. His attack stat is insane, the dude does HUGE damage if you trained him properly. It’s honestly frightening, and also in line to how he turned out story wise: a ruthless killer.
Let’s also add that Sylvain gets his Hero’s Relic stupid early in the game (1 chapter after Byleth) and is simply the easiest character to recruit in the game because of your gender. I always go Female Byleth to get Sylvain.
Yeah dimitri is the best unit in the game in my opinion. Stupid good
I never used Battalion Wrath and Battalion Vantage until I resorted to try that strategy for Azure Moon final map after 59 resets and witnessed the already strong Dimitri annihilate half of the map with 100% crit using Scythe of Sariel.
@@yallom_nayr5602 Eh, actually out of the 3 lords I think he's the weakest. Claude gets free Wyvern lord and bow combo, which is amazing. Edelgard has slightly lower growths than Dmitri, but her personal weapon/combat art is 10x better. Raging storm can let you solo entire maps. Dmitri's probably the strongest if you just walk up at smack people in the face. He wins in raw stats but Edelgard and Claude bring more with their personal class/combat art.
If you give Dmitri the DLC chalice though...then oh boy. He's Jeritza on steroids and it's pretty fun to see.
@@somethingbesidesmyrealname5389 Claude's good but idk Edel's combat art is broken but not useful? You don't want her weapon to break much cause its hard to fix so you have to be careful with it. I only felt comfortable saving it for really hard situations and the last map. Maybe with warping it would be better (but I didn't like warp cheese lol)
Yuri is definitely an S tier, third best dodge tank and he’s get lord like growths. Also windsweep.
Ingrid and Anna also get lord like growths
Hanzou 123 Ingrid’s strength is too low, IMO. But she does get Luin which is a win.
@@owenskalvalki3057 It's only 5% lower than Yuri's. Yes her strength is bad I was just pointing out that her growth rate total is the same as Anna Yuri and Claude.
Yes. Put him in the White Heron Cup for the skills it gives. He has high Charm so he'll win no contest. Fetters of Dromi exist and Trickster mastery gives Duelist Blow. He has access to Aura, Excalibur, Silence, and Recover, which is amazing. He gets Windsweep and Finesse Blade, which ges well with his decent Skill. His Battalion you get from his paralogue is very good on him, and gives him even MORE avoid. If you recruit him late, he starts with a high Authority ranking, so getting his battalion on him won't be a problem.
@@hanzou1238 Anna has Hexblade and Soulblade, but she has no supports and an awful personal skill.
"yeah Felix and Petra do suffer a bit in maddening" *puts them in A+*
I mean felix as an archer is pretty amazing, i've recruited him in all my runs to do that job and he never failed
Petra is insane, I dont think you cant go wrong with her. Brigand, to then falcon knight she is untouchable Luck well over 30 with insane dex.
Constance should be S Tier
She has Bolting which automatically moves her up in my book.
Her crest is also amazing. It makes her spells sometimes not take up a use which is really helpful when it happens on Bolting. I’ve used Bolting four times before on a map because of that crest
And she can use the Thyrsus without taking damage because she has a crest.
Her crest and bolting are super strong, and she’s also the best rescue user as well. I tend to make her a war cleric, because mystic blow is just too good on her to go to waste (and she can get to aura knuckles p easily) and that build’s served me very well, as she’s an incredibly versatile unit.
I don’t know if it’s optimal, but it’s been performing incredibly well for me.
Joshua Gaspar combat art only byleth and one other non dlc unit learn, it’s a magic brawl attack (mt based on units mag) that gives +10 mt. One shots most units early and midgame, and by late game you can have aura knuckles for the enemies mystic blow doesn’t kill.
Constance gets it as her budding talent in brawl
@@diegobrandomtg Yo that's sick I'm finishing up the DLC late and going to start a full run using DLC so I'll try it, thanks for the heads up.
She “should” not be anything, the whole point of a tier list is to show an individual’s opinion
It boggles my mind when people rank Dedue low. I must have won the lottery with him because he's an absolute monster and can't even be killed by magic.
Dedue is my go to tank in my NG+ maddening run. Need to bait the enemy? Dedue's always the answer.
I mean pretty much everyone can be a monster in this game. The stat growths are all pretty good. A lot of it is planning with a little luck.
@@shelteredwaffle4665 yeah you could basically run any combination of units and win
It really triggers me when people put him low he is an absolute god send for early game maddening and in regards to this tier list I feel he should at least be above Flayne at the top of B+ tier. Ingrid should also be in A+ tier she’s one of the best dodge tanks in the game and she is the ultimate mage bane.
Pearse Molloy the problem with dedue is while he is excellent on paper post time skip by the time you get him even the church units would be better in that slot cuz of how far behind he has fallen.
keep ashe and bows 71839 feet away from eachother and chuck that boy on a wyvern. the guy has insane crits and he has an advantage in axes. hes always one of my insanely great units and on maddening, has an even higher total than claude. also freckles so sss tier.
abf I agree! It took a lot of work to get him to keep up with the others, but I gave made him a wyvern master, gave him killer axe and bow, and he’s all good! I’d put him at B+ at least.
But persona wise, S+++
abf I do think Wyvern Lord is the optimal way to use Ashe from my experience, but honestly, it’s the class and not the character that’s amazing.
Giant Caliber Ngl Ashe wasn’t a super awesome unit for me but I gave him killer bow and axe, put him on a wyvern, gave him crit ring and he was my go to when I had a weak unit like a magic or sniper to take out.
Gabrielle Craft I know that amazing feeling of making a garbage unit all the sudden the mvp in the team. Got a good number of cheese kills with Warp+Crit Rerolls in late game maps
Ashe is one of my MVPs in NG+M as a Wyvern Archer lol
Felix was doubling endgame swordmasters in my maddening run. Mans a god
They have quick Riposte?
You need to try fortress felix with aegis shield.. both the shield and his passives are seperate calculations.
Agreed. Besides Byleth Felix became a route clearing machine when i needed him most
Plot twist: he was using gauntlets
*Ashen Wolves show up*
FED's previous Tier Lists: Noooooo!
Cyril is only really bad on the church route because he comes so late. He's meant to be played similar to Claude as a flying bow user that uses point blank volley. Yes he has bad bases and is auto leveled as a commoner, but that is more than made up for by his weapon skills and point blank volley. It takes no effort to promote him to armor knight to get his defense up. From there he can go brigand; again with no axe training necessary; to eventually get death blow. Again point blank volley cannot be understated. He gets it way earlier than any other unit gets their version of it. He's the only unit that guarantees a double from early to late game.
Catherine is a better combat unit than everyone in A tier. She's arguably better than a good half of the A+ tier as well.
David Jaye heck Point Black Volley only learned by Leonie and Cyril and Cyril got it on C+ while Leonie is in A. Cyril stats also easily make up since he easily boost his way to Brigand and then become a dual wield axe x bow Wyvern Lord
Anyone can be constantly swaped classes to get their stats up but your strategy especially seems like to much work
MaN 15 too much work? maybe it's investing too many seals on one unit when they're limited without NG+, but really every stated by OP is all stuff Cyril can do with absolutely zero investment besides gold for seals to take exams
Okay but that's still exp that could have gone to multiple better units
I got Cyril super early on my BL run and he was one of my best units, but I've heard the longer you wait to recruit him the worse he is/the harder it is to get him up to speed. (I was also on normal difficulty which probably helped make him better)
Hello FED. Love your tier lists, and I mostly agree with what you have. Changes i would personally make for my own take:
Before ashen wolves, dorothea was good because charm and meteor. Constance existing makes dorothea obsolete since she is better, meaning dorothea only has unique utility as early game sustain. Move her to the top of b+.
Yuri has windsweep. That alone would put him in A+, but he has great stats on top of it. Bottom of s tier, behind byleth.
kingslayer86 charm and meteor are still really good tho, plus she has thoron for early 3 range and physic. I don’t think Constance being good at her role makes Dorothea worse
@@notfabio9858 Constance is instantly recruitable and dorothea requires resources to recruit, that automatically makes Dorothea go down a tier in my book
Then again Dorothea only requires authority and charm, both of which should be relatively high if you’re training Byleth well.
Dorothea gets early Thoron and Physic tho.
Ingrid is always criminally underrated. Yeah her strength sucks but her best use is hunting mages, for which her resilience makes her untouchable
Ik for me she always doubles but its like 9 or 11 damage for both attacks
Tbh I find Caspar super easy to recruit. Byleth has a boon in brawling, and with a C+ Support, you only need to get it to D+, with the strength requirement being a non-issue entirely. Whether that makes it worth it is debatable, but idk, the recruitment was never a huge deal
The recruitment is a big deal because of ch13; if that chapter wasn't such a pain it wouldn't be almost necessary to get Byleth to Wyvern Rider, which means he has to switch focus from brawling to axes and flying, especially considering that gauntlets can only be used when dismounted, which a Wyvern rider doesn't want to do except against fliers in enemy phase, in which gautlets aren't good
Hapi has the same magic growth as Linhardt and her base is only higher by 1. Obviously she's still a lot better because of her dark magic spells and genderlocked magic classes, but she shouldn't be 2 whole tiers above him
Ingrid absolutely and objectively belongs with her contemporaries Petra and Leonie in A+, in fact I would dare say between the two of them (because let's be frank, the *real* benefit to recruiting Petra is not fighting enemy Petra). "But her Strength," you might start, to which I would finish, "is only one point behind theirs at base and one point behind theirs in growths." I know you made that point about splitting hairs at the start of the video, but a whole letter grade just for two points of Strength and one-to-two points of Speed total is utterly ridiculous. Besides, I've not even gone into what she gets in exchange for those small stat drawbacks yet:
First of all, she has a Crest, the Minor Crest of Daphnel, which, sure, it's not a lot, and you might say it's not consistent, but it does allow her damage output long-term to stay plenty competitive with Petra and Leonie, as you're usually spamming Combat Arts in Maddening anyway. Speaking of Combat Arts, her Crest also gives her access to Lúin's unique Combat Art, which damages enemies based off her massive Speed stat.
Secondly, if you're concerned about her stats, then what about the fact that she has one of the best Charm stats in the game, behind only the Three Lords, Flayn, Seteth, and Yuri? Combined with her personal, this makes her one of the most consistent offensive Gambit users in the game, certainly ahead of Leonie and *far* ahead of Petra.
Finally, on top of all else she has to offer, she actually makes for the best Dancer in the game, believe it or not! Her massive Charm stat not only makes it easy for her to get into the class, but also synergizes with her proficiency in Swords for some respectable Sword Dance damage, if you're into that sort of thing. Moreover, her proficiency in Riding lets her get the coveted Movement +1 even outside of a mounted class route (though, if you intend on going the Dancer Ingrid route, putting her in Cavalier early game certainly couldn't hurt). Lastly, while her Magic stat is nothing to write home about, she does get the respectable ranged magics Thoron and Physic among her spell lists, allowing her yet more options for utility, should you so desire.
In conclusion, you were absolutely biased with your prior experiences with Ingrid, as she brings more than enough to the table to be among the best units in the game; certainly far above where you put her, and at least among her comparable counterparts in Petra and Leonie.
. . . Anyway, here is a less objective minor nitpick:
I know that you didn't take this into account when rating, but Caspar is not difficult at all to recruit in other houses. He requires Strength that Byleth has *at base* and a mere C in Gauntlets, which Byleth is proficient in. Calling him "difficult to recruit" is simply misinformation at this point, especially in direct comparison to Ferdinand who requires freaking Heavy Armor.
imo she should be just a tier higher, not A+ with Petra and Leonie
Crest of Daphel:
You are overrating it. It is only a 40% activation rate on combat arts. Sure 5 more mt is nice, but still inconsistent. When you are 1-2 pts away from killing, you shouldn't rely on a 40% to kill. Also in maddening you are not spamming combat art. Sure more compared to hard since nobody doubles early game, but if we think about it. Her crest is letting her do 2 more dmg when using combat arts on average. Then mid to late game you aren't using combat arts that much, unless you have brave effect arts.
Stats:
Lol charm isn't that great. It gives you more mt and hit for gambits that you can only use max twice per map. You can't spam gambits like you can spam combat arts. Sure she does more damage when using gambits, but petra and leonie in regular combat(which matters much more). Also, she has lower spd. Early game, one point of spd is really important. Not to mention Petra and Leonie has 9 str at base. Just one more str will bump their AS by one(they only need 2.2 lvls on avg). Ingrid needs 2 more str to bump her AS spd by one(which she needs ~5.71 lvl on avg). It may seem one or 2 pts but still it matters a lot more than you think.
Dancer:
Dancers should never be attacking. They are meant to dance, not attack. Ideally, a dancer should always be dancing every turn cause their combat most likely will be worse than your other students(because you should always have one of ur worst unit be a dancer). Also every student can become a dancer and be as good. Her riding bane does make her better as a dancer than other students, but its not that much better(especially since +1 mov only will come in play late game). The gap between an average dancer and the best dancer is a lot smaller than the gap of an average combat unit and the best combat unit.
Her magic stat actually sucks. She starts with base 6 mag vs other mages that have at least 10. Not to mention she has a lower growth rate than them too. Her physics range is going to be very small. Every 10 levels her range only increases by 1.75.
Also Marianne imo is the best dancer. Does everything Ingrid could do but better(even combat using levin sword)
Something I would like to add is about proficiency. Leonie and Petra have a better spread since they are proficient in the best weapon in the game, bows, while Ingrid is neutral. Flying+bow is amazing.
@@bobfan2821 Don't forget that charm is used when calculating your units avoid against enemy gambits so high charm is great on dodgy units too
You make a point about how Leonie's and Petra's atk are just a point higher than Ingrinds, and therefore irrelevant, but then you go on to say how much better her charm is than Leonie's? Don't get me wrong, Ingrid is a good unit, but she doesn't compare to Petra and Leonie. While Ingrid's high growths are great, she doesn't have any particularly high growths in anything but speed. She just becomes literally any other pegasus knight. Sure, she's great, but anyone is great in a flier class. What Leonie and Petra have above her are their strength, skill, and defense in Leonie's case. These stats allow them to accel in more than just a flier class. Both are great assassins, or any bow class, and Leonie can actually make use of cavalary classes with her higher defenses. Ingrid's growths just don't allow her to stand out like Petra and Leonie. Aside from an unused res stat and a relatively useless crest, she's got nothing on them.
Ingrid can be good. But the mistake a lot of people make ( and that I made in my 1st playthrough ) is having her go soldier->pegasus knight->falcon knight. 9 times out of ten, she'll end up with 13 strength when you get to endgame ( that actually happened to me once ). What you should do instead is go fighter->brigand->wyvern rider-> wyvern lord. This improves her poor strength growth by quite a bit. Brigand can also give her death blow.
What you're all missing out here, is that she has the best resistance in the game. Well noone uses her to be petra-like to kill everyone, but based on her outstanding resistance and speed, she makes a great mage killer and dodgetank. Also I recommend you guys to make her dancer and grab that sword eva 20 and give all your speed carrots to her. Rapier+ is also great to finish off low units. She really should be a sword girl, not a spear girl
I've only done Blue Lions Maddening. I'd give Dedue more credit. He misses chapters, sure, but he can still tank really well when he comes back, especially with the Duscur Battalion. Getting him QR just makes him a nightmare for physical units on enemy phase. I'd say he's mid A tier. Definitely above Catherine, maybe Shamir
I made mine flier so he didn't had that one, but he carries so hard in part 1 that when he comes back he wasn't that behind, except from the mages because no exp penalty from healing
Hey FED, here is my live response to your video. Sorry if this is long, I just really disagree with some of your placements.
- You overrate Hubert far too much. He isn't better than Dorothea and might not even be better than Bernadetta. I would argue hes only redeeming trait is his 3 range spells combined with his somewhat decent charm growth. Other than that he is frail and slow just like the other 3H mages, but hes a male and also dark magic locked giving him zero good endgame classes. The only useful white magic he learns is recover, but he has a bane in faith making it slower and more tedious to level up. Dorothea also gets a three range spell in Thoron, has a good charm growth, meteor + has access to Gremory and can actually make use of the skills from Warlock & Dark Knight. Plus she also gets Physic, shes a far superior unit. At this point in the video I don't think you've mentioned perf. skills at all, Bernadetta's perf in the early game makes her actually one of the most useful units in very early game maddening. You could still argue that Hubert is a better overall unit than her though.
- Annette is, in my opinion, the worst student unit in the game. Her spell list is dreadful relative to her growths distribution. Excalibur is good, but she gets no 3 range spells, no special effectiveness (with the exception of Excalibur) and all are tomes are mostly wind tomes that are light but hit lesser. She can't make use of the low weight tomes because she isn't a fast unit in the first place. But she can't hit hard enough to OHKO like Lysithea/Constance. Her growths are all over the place, but they still made her Lysithea levels of frail. I guess I just disagree with you on the usefulness of Rallies. I do not think they are useful at all past early game.
- Dedue is so underrated! I totally understand your points, this game is very player phase central. But still, there is an avenue for enemy phase play in this game, and even without Dedue's perf he is a banky boy. Losing out on him for a few chapters does suck, but he definitely is way too low imo.
- Holy shit you put Ingrid so low. She is worse on Maddening for sure, and she is pretty bad at base. One of the things you have not talked about at all (to my knowledge) up to this point is the value of the charm stat. Ingrid does have shit Str but her good Speed, Res, and Charm + Useful perf. skill and Flying boon make her seriously one of the best dodge tanks in the game. She also gets access to the Luin and the relic combart art really early, and can even make a good mage if you decide that for her. She gets Physic, Thoron and Seraphim. Shes also very good in endgame Blue Lion specifically because of the spike in mages/siege tomes compared to the other routes. You also put Mercedes way too low. Fortify is amazing and her spell list isn't actually that bad to deal some good damage. Also useful perf. skill and crest. You're right about Ashe, is is very lackluster relatively.
- Since I guess your list is ordered, putting Sylvain over Ferdinand really makes no sense. They both get Swift Strikes and have pretty similar bases/growths. But Ferdinand's perf skill is arguably the best in the game. Sylvain is just a slightly worse Ferdinand imo. IGNATZ. You severely underrate him. Hes far better than many charas you have above him. Hit +20 as a personal skill and his authority boon already make him the best out of the canon archer trio. But hes also better than many other units because of those traits, maddenings hit penalty is pretty brutal, and he completely undermines that. Leonie is also far too low. I'd argue that she might deserve a spot in S tier. You don't mention the fact that she has one of the better defense growths in the game, combined with her top tier speed growth, good dex and decent charm growth. She also gets access to Point Blank Volley. One of the most reliable units in the game. Shes one of the only units who is legitimately tanky AND can double on maddening.
- Seteth does not 'fall off' lol. He actually only gets better. He doesn't join with Swift Strikes and he is really close to a A rank in authority. He might have the most useful crest in the game, which you didn't even mention at all. It procs almost every time he uses a combat art, and it has 2 chances to proc if he is using Swift Strikes. He also has an amazing defense/HP base. He's far better than Catherine.
Oh man, your DLC unit placements. I agree Balthus is pretty good, but I was confused you didn't even mention his personal skill at all. Its literally the only reason he is better than Raph, Caspar and similar other types of characters. Without it he would be just as lackluster as them. War Monk really isn't that useful because his magic stat is garbo. He won't be a very good healer at all. Hapi man. I think you overvalue Warp a bit too much. She is Lysithea levels of frail with a mediocre speed growth. She also has the same magic growth as Lindhardt, meaning her warp range is going to be about similar to his. 3 range + Warp and Physic is nice, but honestly she is such a liability on enemy phase and doesn't have the same type of player phase potential Lysithea has to make up for that completely. Yuri is statistically the fastest unit in the game, authority boon and good charm growth. He gets Windsweep and learns some good spells if you wanted to make him a trickster. He also has a budding talent in bows that gives him deadeye. I would put him No. 1 in terms of the DLC units, then Constance then Hapi.
Anyways, thanks for sharing your opinion. I think my main criticism with this list in the undervaluing of personal skills and the usefulness of the charm stat. Anything I didn't mention about I probably agreed with you. Sorry for the length of this, if you read it all thanks
lmao I agreed with all of this
@@thatonecanto thanks :). tbh i've played/watched this game for a gross amount of time
Also Yuri makes a really good dodge tank and with his relic he can reduce damage dealt to him by half. Truly an S tier and best dlc character.
Hapi is, in my opinion, the best magic unit, even better than Lysithea, because she has the Death spell, which has crit and extra range. Lysithea’s max range is 6 (Valkyrie, Thyrsus, S rank reason), and Hapi’s max is 7. Both can hit like a nuke and canto away, and both can use warp, but Hapi gets Physic on top of that. Her stats are worse, but it’s not a big enough difference to put her down.
@@elijah7744s Death is certainly good, 3 range and 20 crit is nothing to be slept on. But it has 6 Mt. And Hapi has a 45 percent magic growth, whilst Lysithea has a 60. 15 percent is a huge difference when we are talking about the potential 40 levels you can get on an average playthrough. They both learn Hades at A reason, but Lysithea hits so much harder so much earlier because of Dark Spikes at B. Also, there is an important distinction between Lysthiea and Hapi, Lysithea has a boon in authority + mastermind and Hapi has a bane in authority. Both of their hit rates are useless if they don't have a batallion or item/ability that gives them hit. This is far easier for Lysithea to get B/A rank authority to equip some of the great Magic based batallions that give +15, +20, or +30 hit. Uncanny Blow is an option for the both of them, but that still would take a while, at that point in the game Lysithea could easily be pushing A rank authority and wouldn't have to give up an ability slot.
Hapi doesn't hit even as close to as hard, but is just the same liability on enemy phase. She requires far more investment for a shorter warp range and inferior damage. 3 range and physic doesn't make up for this, imo.
NGL, Ignatz is extremely useful in early game maddening mode, which is definitely the hardest part of lunatic. With his personal ability Hit+20, he is one of the only characters that can reliably chip down the plethora of high Avo enemies. And of course, as you mentioned, brining him into sniper for Hunter’s Volley ensures he doesn’t drop off mid-late game. He may not have the best strength, sure, but I think he deserves to be jn at least A tier for his fantastic maddening early game utility.
His rallies are also really solid which gives him some utility down the line
Male Byleth really has the short end of the stick. He should have been able to get Manuela early or something.
Also he can’t be a Falcon Knight
In my maddening run, Byleth and Catherine are falcon knights and they are insane
Or maybe Leonie, because she has the counterpart of Sylvains personal skill and Byleth maybe reminds her of Jeralt.
Nah, she sees him as not worthy of Jeralt's heritage. You get Sylvain because he is a womanizer. By that logic, Manuela is the best female equivalent. When she intoduces herself at the beginning, she says that she is available in her first dialogue box.
@@dinkomaduna3130 You're right. I guess Manuela would be a better fit.
The best way you can convey how mediocre Caspar is simply by realizing that at base Petra doubles Base Caspar. Then add his 45% Speed growth, and without getting blessed he just gets doubled even in later stages of hard, and pretty much all of maddening without boosters.
Yeah, honestly at this point, I feel like Caspar may even be worse than Cyril, since most of the hate for Cyril seems to just be bandwagoning.
@@AJMC82 hanneman for wm
@@LMH-z9p Huh?
@@AJMC82 hanneman is best boi
Caspar is pretty bad until late game, but if you get him into War Master and give him the killer gauntlets, he’s hitting 4 times with a 90% crit rate. Basically single-handedly cleared Tailtean for me
I think Constance is S tier given she can one shot so many enemies with Bolting - plus she has 4 uses in the Gremory class. Along with her crest sometimes giving her more uses of bolting she can do amazing chip damage on the whole map through the entire chapter
Yes Constance is definitely S tier.. her bolting can one shot Archers/assassins and make encounters much easier. She along with Lysithea can do a Warp/Rescue combo from long distance to essentially stop annoyances like Infinite reinforcements or protect a character stuck in a bad situation. Hapi and Benadetta have moves that limit enemy moments which is godly especially against beast monsters since they can hit them from three squares away and buy you time to regroup and get in better position.
To those people who are saying it would be better to just kill an enemy than to debuff them: could you please direct me to the button that automatically kills whatever unit you want? I can't seem to find it, but if it didn't exist then your argument would hold less weight than soaking toilet paper from a high school bathroom.
Most enemies die to two units one chipper and the other to clean up. By end game maddening I was one rounding everything except War Masters with either swift strikes, or brave weapons. And I don't use status boosters. Now I'm not saying this will happen for everyone or every unit but even so usually one round of chip and another unit can kill so what the point of a debuff. Now early game debuffs can be nice I find break shot to be really good as well as swarm z. And if you notice these debuffs are attached to things that would be used to do chip damage. I think that most people view debuffs as things to set up to kill on enemy phase rather than things you set up to kill on player phase.
Dimitri, Felix and Catherine kills most of the enemies even on Maddening
Dimitri with his authority skills
The button is lysithea she is the definition of the delete key
@@dameiperkins only after some stat snowballing. In the beginning she cant quite one round a lot of things. However, after a handful of levels of snowballing her offensive stats she becomes the nuke she is on lower than maddening mode difficulties
Dimitri with battalion wrath and vantage is the most OP thing in the entire game it is so fun to just throw him int 10 melee units and he 1 shots all of them with no counter
Seteth is way higher
Ingrid is way too low. If strength is the issue then just make her a brigand like you would for Petra. There's practically no difference between Ingrid, Petra and Leonie as brigand early game. Ingrid also has great res and charm that allows her to hit gambits better on maddening mode than most units. She's definitely A tier, probably A+ if that's where Petra and Leonie are simply because they can play similar roles well.
Seteth and Catherine are also way too low. They should be top of A tier. Maybe even low A+ tier.
Mercedes also should be higher than every other healer. Fortify + physic is better combination than anything Linhardt, Marianne or Dorothea have. She's the best healer in the game.
Also as someone who loves Lorenz, I can't justify him anywhere higher than B or C. He leaves your team post time skip temporarily on silver snow and azure moon, which means verdant wind is the only route where he's usable long term. His growths are too average and his reason and faith spell list can't compare to the competition. It's a shame but it's hard to place him anywhere else.
Linhardt has Warp. Unlike the other two. Sorry but Linhardt is objective the best healer out of the three.
Seteth should be lower as his bases aren't that amazing and he get destroyed by fast units like the Falcon Knights and Assassins.
@@royalhistorian5109 Seteth‘s growth is not bad, he only struggles in ch13 in church route because he can't get Swift Strike. After he get it, he can easily one-shot Falcon Knights and Assassins. Besides, Spear of Assal and Ochain Shield provide insane HP restoration.
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Sorry but objectively you're wrong. His magic isn't even that good, so his warp range isn't that great compared to Lysithea. FED overrated warp all the time And if warp and physic alone were all you need, then Hapi is better than Linhardt as well because she can do more than that. Mercedes is still better as a healer.
@@l.n.3372 It still Warp...and it still good, so Linhardt is objective better then Mercedes due to having warp. Sure his magic is actually solid 10 base magic and 45% growth rate on Magic is overall solid actually but he can still warp to Speed runs. As for Seteth, the problem is his availability alongside not so impressive base stats besides strength and maybe defence but other then that...they are not that impressive, also his speed and really carpy resistance does bite him in the ass in Maddening. His growth...look good but if you take his Wyvern growths...they look mediocre. Sure he a Wyvern rider but...anyone can be Wyvern Rider. So he not that special.
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I think you're missing the word objective here. You're not proving why Linhardt is better than Lysithea or Hapi simply for having warp. He's not objectively the best warper so no, I heavily disagree. Mercedes can also play roles that Linhardt can't simply because of gender locked class. Again Linhardt is not objectively better because of this too: it's a sad fact but a true fact that male mages are worse off than their female counterparts in this game. Hubert, Linhardt and Lorenz suffer as a result. Mercedes has better classes available than Linhardt does, so he's not better than her. Warp alone doesn't make him better and he's not the best warper, combined with fewer class options than the girls. That adds up to not better than them.
Seteth can be worse than a trained Hilda, Ferdinand or Sylvain when all are wyvern. However, Seteth is not that low. If you search videos you can see how a 0% growths run of 3H takes advantage of Seteth despite his availability issues: he's immediately useful when he joins, and his bases are fine then. If you continue to use him in a run, his good growths will only make him better. He's also got easy access to the best class line in the game. Hence why he's pretty damn good.
Yuri is a god he’d soloed the final boss in crimson flower maddening nobody could even touch my boy
I’ve played maddening classic of all the routes and I agree with most of it except Dimitri is definitely better than edelgard because of the strength of Avoid tanks for the same reason I’d actually move Felix to just past Lysithea as you can give him sword Avoid and he’ll solo the game on maddening it’s insane. I can’t say much about the DLC characters since I’ve only done one play through with them
Catherine's sword + felix + Crest stone (NG+) is awesome. Crit rate is outsyamding and x4 is op
I’ve played 3 routes and on time skip in my 4th and Felix carries the whole team
He should go just behind lysithea imo
Also, imo.. Edelgard is the worst Lord. Claude and Dimitri and extremely good.
Did you play her as her unique class or as a Wyvern? Her Wyvern class and combat art pretty much allows her to solo clear maps
@@CrazyHand196 Wyvern. But I also had Dimitri and Claude as Wyvern/Barbarossa and she didn't compare for me. Maybe I got RNG screwed but my Edie was fast and she was strong. But, my Dimi just did it better.
Edelgard is usually the hardest Lord to kill, given her strong defenses and solid offense. Dimitri pairs solid defense with overkill offense for a beast of the battlefield, and Claude's in between both with great stats all around.
Just like their Smash Ultimate spirits... Edelgard is extremely defensive but not that flexible (one spirit slot), Dimitri is heavily offensive and can change things up a little (two slots), Claude is balanced and ripe for scheming (three slots).
@@browncoatkevin claude also gets stupid arts and abilities. Can easily be taken down both archer and brigand lines, falling star makes you dodge all attacks for a round, and wind god is a 2-5 range art. As well as having the strongest bow in the game, excluding maybe Inexhaustible. My Claudes current skills are Close Counter, Bowfaire, Bow Proficiency, Bow crit +10, death blow, so he hits stupid hard, and crits often. And, people think it's so spectacular wyvern Edelgard can clear kill the boss maps solo, when any flier can if you stride them and have Lysithea yeet them with the warp staff.
FED mentioned that Petra's value falls off in Maddening, but it's the opposite for me.
In the lower difficulties, she's like a budget Felix who does the same thing as him, but not as well.
In Maddening, her value skyrockets as one of, if not the, best dodge tanks in the game.
The very concept of def/res tanking becomes moot later in Maddening, when even the tankiest units will have trouble surviving more than 2 rounds of combat in enemy phase. The only viable tanks are dodge tanks, and Petra as FK or WL can maintain Avo in the 80-90's against most enemies even in the end game of Maddening, if you go for an all-in Avo build. It doesn't matter that she will likely have subpar damage output because just having a unit that is practically unkillable is obviously invaluable and gives you so much flexibility in how you approach the situation.
Why are you putting Catherine so low? She's almost as good as Felix with almost no effort, and stays that way in the late game. Look at her growths. She's consistently been a slightly above average unit on my final team of ~15 units (~#6 after Lord, Lysithea, Felix, Byleth, and Hilda). She also has access to the darting blow and death blow combination, and uses it very well. I would put her just above Hubert.
Agreed. Catherine is a God. So is Seteth but he has a great class to start plus swift strikes. Catherine's only disadvantage is that if you want her in another class, she doesn't have good options since her weapon ranks don't help her beyond swordmaster. Which is a great class but it takes some extra effort to get her into falcon knight, which I've used in the past for her. Her secondary weapon rank of brawling is wasted which IMO is her only downside since she can't transition easily into a flying or mounted class if you want movement. But if movement isn't valuable to you, then she's amazing as a swordmaster.
Because you get late access, the rest of the skills she gets such as authority and bow skill are almost nonexistent, making her half a unit until you decide to invest in her. And even if you do, she can't catch up to your other units, skill wise.
For example, the weight -5 skill is detrimental to gain attack speed on better weapons. Even though her speed is pretty high, her attack speed takes a hit because of her not having access to this skill unless you train her armored unit skill, which starts at E at around chapter 14.
@@sympathismYou have quick access to pegasus knight to get darting blow to make up for that. Plus, her speed growth is already fantastic. You don't go for weight -5 anyway, at least not on NG. Maybe NG+, at which point, you can instantly get it up if you've done it before. You can do it step-wise over multiple playthroughs prior to it if you want to, even just benching her and focusing her weapon ranks where you want them. Plus, weight -5 just isn't necessary when she performs excellently with lower weight weapons as is. Darting blow for strong player phase is more than enough speed support for her.
@@jonathandwilliams2885 Maybe on lower difficulties. On maddening the enemy units are so overstatted that weight -5 on a swordmaster unit is almost required, or you'll only double armored units. Unless you want to use iron weapons.
Also, how do you have quick access to pegasus knight? I thought her flying and lance skill both start in E tier.
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You're crazy. I beat Blue Lions Maddening and swordmaster Catherine/Felix have no issue doubling anything beyond enemy war masters/swordmaster/assassin. You absolutely do not need weight -5 on anyone.
Edit: if you recruit her early, just train up her flying and Lance rank. She can probably pass the test as early as D rank flying and D rank Lance.
Some thoughts:
- Anna suffers a bit because of her lack of supports, but her high dex + luck (with her +5 luck from her personal ability) makes her crit more than anyone in the game except Ashe maybe? That combined with her amazing speed and her crest (sometimes prevents counterattacks) makes her one of the best assassins. She's also got great resist which makes her an amazing mage killer, and also soulblade/hexblade
- Marianne is being underrated here, she's probably the most offensively inclined "healer" archetype and can one shot almost anything with Blutgang + beast fang, or just soul blade in general. Does great with a Levin sword and also gets Silence which is getting super underrated here too. She's the only character in the game that I'd make a Holy Knight (Dark Knight works too but Dorte valkyrie->emperor IMO. You'll lose some strength but end up doing just as much, if not more damage with Lightning axe spam. Uncanny blow is amazing for an axe user as well. I wish emperor was able to use magic because she'd be one of the best units in any fire emblem game ever if that was the case
- Yuri is underrated here and definitely the best trickster. You mentioned foul play and Fetters of Dromi but he also has a great personal ability (especially for a character with Stealth), he has Windsweep which is great for a support character who isn't necessarily trying to one shot everything, and he has Silence and Recover which are amazing and just more reasons that making him another, non-magic class would be a horrible waste. Great resist too. S tier easy
- I do agree that Ingrid suffers on Maddening, but I still think you underrated her. Her high Res makes her perhaps the best mage killer in the game as a Falcon Knight, which has its own great resist bonus. She can just fly around the map killing mages that your other units don't want to deal with, which is something very few other characters can do. Also Luin + burning quake (which you get early in the game) does a pretty decent job of covering her low strength when you need it, and weighs very little so she can still double with it.
Dimitri is just as good as Ferdinand on avoid ( his skill also grants avoid to reach up to 100 avoid with skills alone) and dimitri is also a better unit in combat assuming your go maxed out avoid on both ( which ends up putting both in a class that gets avoid plus ten like wyvern lord) and dimitri just has better growths.
Bernie is literally my carry rn 😂
I feel like Lorenz being the only way to get Thrysus should drive him up, though I don't know if that was being counted in the tier list.
Harold Duggan I mean usually I just recruit him to get Thyrsus and leave him in the back of the box. If I’m on Blue Lions Route, I usually recruit and kill him afterwards in the Time Skip.
@@weebboi9457 Sure but he still got you one of the best relics in the game. Since you recruit him for that I'd say he's a high tier character, even if his strength might not be his combat strength. Also you kill Lorenz after her gets hot? You crazy.
@@faceyfacefaceface I disagree. By that logic theives are S tier units because they can get you some of the best weapons in the game. I definitely see what you are saying, but i feel like that's not enough to call a unit good
@@faceyfacefaceface HOT ⁉️ Idk about that
@@fillercontent9271 I mean I'd rank them c tier at best for saving you money on chest keys. Also I'd say this character tier list shouldn't just consider their merits as a unit, I'd argue granting you the best piece of gear in the game (arguably) in thyrus is just as important and rankable as proficiencies and stats.
Also in many games thieves are considered high tier due to their utility.
Ingrid robbed. Also I think you overestimate Hapi she can't really ORKO anything and has poor growths. Her personal skill is amazing though
Hey! This is a good tier list, and a good standard for ranking the characters. While evaluating on ease of use is maybe a less definable subjective standard than something like LTC, it is in practice how most people use and recommend characters, and gives the list more utility for people playing blind/semi-blind as well.
Having played Maddening on every route at this point, and having some DLC experience on at least one route, there are a couple of major differences. I'm mostly assuming home route for students, and not factoring in items or paralogues that characters unlock.
*Hapi* - I feel like she's A+, and doesn't quite belong with the S tier people. She's good, but not Lysithea good. It's not just that Lysithea has warp, or that she's a hard hitting tactical nuke. It's the combination of accelerated Mastermind growth and low weapon ranks for a very unique set of spells that just allows her to snowball. B warp on a Mastermind grown faith means warp by around Battle of the Eagle and Lion, even without dedicated effort on faith. B Dark Spikes is similar, except it likely will show up even sooner, wrecking nearly every cavalry - and a good many non-cavalry - from mid to end game. She is also one of only two characters to learn Luna, which is imperative for killing very dangerous endgame bosses. Mastermind boon in Authority means she can hop to high ranking battalions faster than anyone else, often with exclusive access to wonderful tools like Macuil Evil Repelling Co. Do I even need to touch on how quickly she'll reach +1 range if she's used offensively? Hapi just doesn't have the same kind of a niche. In practice she's like a slightly better, more offensive Linhardt with physics and warp. There's no dark spikes, warp is at A, no accelerated growth, and her bane in authority is limiting in the end game by comparison. Still a very good unit, but lacks the bonkers synergy between her growth, boons, and spell list that lets Lysithea just take off.
*Claude* - I flip back and forth on this guy, but I feel uncomfortable ranking him with the other lords. He's wonderful in the second half of the game, but he can't carry the Golden Deer in the first half the way Edelgard and Dimitri carry their respective routes, which forces other units to step up a bit more. He's either the best A+ or the worst S. Not sure.
*Hilda* - B+. I've never had great luck with her as a combat unit, and looking at her stats and growths I see why. People talk about Lysithea having accuracy issues, but Hilda is swinging that axe blind. She has the lowest dexterity base and growth of the Golden Deer while favoring the most inaccurate weapon type, learns no uniquely useful combat arts, and has worse growths on relevant stat for a Golden Deer physical class aside from 5 points in strength. Good charisma and fighting potential is also harmed by bane in authority. Has a nice personal though and is probably the best dancer for Golden Deer. Great cheerleader, but not a great combat unit.
*Leonie* - Border of S and A+. What separates Leonie from the other combat units like Petra is her surprisingly useful tanky early game and how that can be leveraged to an early bulky pegasus knight. A 7 base defense ties for best Golden Deer defense, and her personal pushes it to 9 (along with pushing her strength to tie for highest). Combined with the fastest base speed, growths comparable to Claude, and Tempest Lance, she will wreck havoc in the early game in a way that few other units can compare. Another +2 defense from class skills and boons in the two best weapon types (lances and bows) means that when she goes pegasus (either before or after brigand) she'll be ready for solo missions while other units still need support to survive. And to top it all off she gets point blank volley for end game, and is a natural candidate for falcon knight dodge tanking with her weapon proficiencies. There's a reasons she's often a candidate for solo runs in the game. She is hurt a little bit off route, but on Golden Deer which lacks a good early combat unit, she is the natural heir to Jeralt.
*Ingrid* - As others have pointed she should be higher. Even if she gets strength screwed, it's nothing a Wyvern or Paladin won't fix, and she has a unique amount of flexibility compared to otherwise similar combat units with her spell list and charisma.
*Cyril* - I'm mixed on this guy because he does need work to get to wyvern and point blank killing, but most of that work can be done as an adjutant. He feels like B rank to me, just because Anna is so much less useful. But I guess this one is nitpicking.
You forget to mention how good Hilda's personal skill is working on both phases and allowing for up to 12 bonus damage per turn (possibly more with canto) at uncounterable ranges with curved shot/thyrsus etc. especially in the early game.
Dex is one of the worst stats in the game with how little it affects hit and crit. Also "favouring" axes isn't a negative in a game where every unit can use pretty much every weapon and where wyvern lord is by far the strongest class.
Agree with your other points though
@@iAmMuu I did mention the personal, but I probably didn't emphasize its value enough. It is a fair point. Much like similar personals in Fates the bonus damage does add up quickly, turning 3 move turns into 2, and 2 into 1, and I do make use of it a lot. Between her and Leonie Golden Deer is maybe the only route where male Byleth almost feels like a contender. Almost.
I guess what's holding her back for me is an issue of comparison. As a combat unit, I don't feel like she does the heavy work of characters like Claude or Leonie. When I say she favors axes, what I really mean is that I have to work around this a bit to get her to use lances or bows, which are better weapons for combat in most of the game (though she does grow quick in lances, and E+ start is nice). Her accuracy can be worked around, but it's still the worst of the team at a point in the game where dexterity matters most. You can't divine pulse spam the early game to fix a miss, and there aren't many bonuses for her to compensate in terms of support, items, or battalions, especially with weak authority. And of course she does work as a wyvern - I've certainly used it - but she lacks the combat arts that let other wyverns/falcons excel, or the authority to use the best battalions. Which inevitably, at least for me, relegates her to a second tier flier unit.
I think the best thing about Hilda is that she can go multiple routes, and she's one of the best dancers of Golden Deer without recruits. Dancer allows her to make use of her strengths (her personal, bolting, high charisma) without worrying about her weaknesses (lack of good combat arts, slightly worse stats than your best combat units, bad authority). I could be missing something about her, the game is still kind of new. But that's been my experience with her, I feel she always falls slightly short to Claude and Leonie. How has she compared for you?
@@OnlineVideoSurfer oh I absolutely agree her combat is usually worse than Claude's, leonie has instant tempest lance too which is a big point in her favour compared to Hilda. I did miss that you mentioned her personal, my apologies.
Leonie is a bit 50-50 for me, the tempest lance is great early but I usually find the +3 to atk for males better early on - translates to +5 for sylvain and also increases damage for magic chip. I agree she can be a good dancer but she has a pretty easy time getting on a wyvern so I appreciate the better move and canto, she does decent curving shot chip with her above average strength. I also appreciate her being able to keep up to claude because with supports she gives him more atk too.
I probably wouldn't recruit Hilda outside GD whereas leonie is a consideration, I just feel like her personal is worth more to me but to be fair I've never had an average or blessed leonie, she's always gotten a bit stat screwed unfortunately (I know what a good leonie looks like because I've had Petra be the hard carry a few times and leonie has better def)
With maddening (especially in NG) I usually only have 2 or 3 combat dedicated units I'll feed some of the speed carrots/rocky burdocks to and it'll be whoever has the best str~spd>def probably some of felix/leonie/petra/byleth/the lord of the route. My hard carry is usually the character I'll invest the most into and it's whoever has the best stats around the time I get the shoes of the wind. In my last maddening GD it was felix who got some very solid speed and strength (enough to the point where he consistently avoided doubles and even doubled before booster investment with some lighter weapons like training axes and iron bows), I was able to grow enough speed carrots to keep him doubling the fast swordies throughout most of the campaign
I still disagree that dex is an important stat, just like in most of the other games in the past it's one of the weakest combat stats, it's probably tied with or slightly better than luck. And back then in a few games dex gave 2 hit rather than 1. Although low dex is annoying, combat arts (especially for 3 range) and gambits are pretty great at reducing this and hilda gets very good charm "hit" for the latter
@@iAmMuu It's not that I think dex is that important in the scheme of the whole game. It's just in my opinion her dexterity is hurting her when the stat actually matters most (very early game mainly). Though she can work through it for sure.
Sylvain of course is wonderful too, and in the very early maps the support from Hilda can make him competitive with Leonie. But his lack of flying, slightly worse growths, and somewhat notably worse bases does mean I always want to invest in her over him on home route, so in my experience he does drop off by comparative lack of use in the early-mid game. Plus even if she had zero attack growth for 20 levels tempest lance and strong bows will still carry her (and similar units) before wyvern (or even paladin, though that is worse) fixes her up.
Either way, I probably should have been a little clearer on my Hilda critique. If I ever play the Golden Deer route again, I'll check again just how much the early accuracy matters. I do remember it being a problem even with combat arts, and certainly without.
If I were to promote a unit to a higher rank, it would be Caspar.
People shit on Caspar for his abysmal starting stats plus the less than optimal growths (especially in speed) but heres all you need to do to get him to be good.
Step one: Give him the training gauntlets, a mace (for armored units), and Jaralts mercenaries as soon as you godamn can, and never take them off.
Step two: Raise his brawling up to C so you can give him killer knuckles (you can forge them from iron gauntlets starting at rank Profess lvl D+ I think)
Step three: Raise his axe and brawl skill, change him into a war master, replace his mace with a hammer, give him a mach ring, and give him both bombard and mighty blow.
Now you have an awesome unit that can move quickly on the battlefield and deal powerful blows to enemies while also being able to take a few hits due to his high HP.
Really the only thing he doesn’t have going for him at that point is a good ranged option. (Which even then, let me remind you that Tomahawks exist)
Caspar is the one of the best units in fire emblem history... He is super fun to use,
He is consistent in how you use him, and he won MVP in almost all of my silver snow/crimson flower playthroughs.
Now if only I would like him as a character...
Tbh Ingrid saved my ass countless times on Maddening. With her Avo-stat, she would regularly bait out group enemies, allowing me to easily dismantle them once they were disorganized. Equip Venin Lance and it doesn't matter how much damage she does, the poison does the rest
Ingrid was definitely in my Top 2 run
Gregory Bainathsah
Agree, Ingrid is nothing less than high A tier.
Yeah her dodgetanking plus the enemy Pegasus Growths save her from mediocrity. I havent used her in Maddening but no other unit could dodgetank like she could, which could be attributed to her class.
However she tends to make best use of Pegasus/Falcon Knight to have high utility in making enemy phase a little more trivial. The poison lance tactic sounds very smart on her aswell, as her strength seldom let's her one round even on Hard. She could easily be bottom of A+ or Top of A, just dont recruit her until late on Maddening.
@@zanis_summers8284 you have the right to be wrong
Gregory Bainathsah
How is agreeing with you wrong?
@@zanis_summers8284 Ingrid is S tier imo lol
You did my people Jeritza, Yuri, Felix, and Hilda MAD dirty. Especially with Hapi as S tier when she dies at the slightest hit
And is EVEN SLOWER THAN RAPHAEL!
I would rank her C+, if you have A list from S-F. Her spells do much damage and she is also not bad with physical weapons, but this comes in exchange for an absolutly poor speed. My Lvl 32 Hapi had literally 13 speed and that just because of the level up bonuses. It took her 30 levels to gain one speed point.
@@nick3805 she's just so high up because her personal skill is one of the most busted ones. Having clear aggro management against monsters is invaluable. Especially with Seiros shield later on.
@@gokuby That doesnt help if she gets constabtly doubled vy them. I prefer propably ever other mage over her
@@nick3805 she fulfilled the role of tank + part breaker against monsters really well in my Verdant wind maddening run. Probably my 3rd MVP after Lysithea and Claude .
@@gokuby Hapi? Tank?! Her defense is even lower than Constances xD
Using silence has been really useful In my maddening run.
bernedetta is easily S / A plus! Vengeance goes well with her personal skill, if you pair her with a guard support she is nearly guaranteed to be on 1 or at least low hp(or you can just cast blessing to be sure), she can even 1 hit kill the death knight on maddening which is something that even lysithiya can't boast. If you want to you can also do the vantage, wrath setup and with the extra damage from her personal skill, close counter, optianal killer bows and some other crit and accuracy rasing skills, when in low health, she can can just be a better dimitri and have a 100 percent crit rate on all normal enemies, just don't attack anyone and get in the range of some enemies (due to vantage she'll go first).Plus UNLIKE Dimitri she can do this with long ranged enemies (without retribution) and still be useful in player phase with vengeance. If you make sure to kill enemies that are about to use gambits with her and other units she'll essentially have the player phase offense of lysithia and the enemy phase offence of dimitri
wow catherine so low.
Not that low
I dont think she is broken on Maddening but she is quite good. I think FED is on point with all the Church of Seiros members.
I think you underrated the archers and the brawlers. Thanks to Hunter's Volley for the Snipers and the innate +20 crit for War Masters they can do huge damage and usually 1RKO enemies, especially lategame, which is rare in maddening. I'd put Bernadetta as the worst of the archers because it's harder for her to get Death Blow.
My personal take would have Raph and Caspar high in B+, Ignatz and Ashe in A, but Balthus, Shamir, and Bernadetta about where they are now. I've never used Alois but his strength in Brawling probably helps him out too.
Bernie is undoubtedly better than ashe, since her crest is awesome. also I think bernie is the second best archer, and ashe as the worst. Leonie is best boy
Bernie is better ashe with that passive of her's which is slightly weaker death blow. Also training her in axes wont be a problem bc the sauna gives that +4 skill experience if you get a perfect. She really should be higher bc its so easy to get her passive to activate and early game its a great boon.
@@zophyissleepy Sauna is Season Pass exclusive so i don't think that should really be taken into account if we're being fair here.
But her passive is definitely what makes her better than Ashe.
Although from my experiences i just use Ashe because i hate carrying around keys. and he crits a lot for some reason.
Bernie is way more consistent in her damage output though.
@@RetardTheRetard-ey9zm Fair point but we have to take into account the fact that many ppl bought the season pass and its something they can use. Also you don't even need it that much and you'll get to brigand soon. Ashe's passive seems quite meh since very few maps have items that actually matter like Chapter 13 with the Ake of Ukonsavara but it still doesn't seem worth it. Don't get me wrong Ashe is strong but I think his passive leaves little to be desired.
Edelgard supremacy ✨💪 🪓
I kinda agree with you in Annette's position but since she's my fave character out of everyone I'll place her SSS+ tier (this is just me being super biased hehe)
Annette best girl
Annette is my favourite female character and unfortunately she’s the worst mage student in the game people over value her rallies since she doesn’t gain xp from them so if you have her rallying all the time she’s going to lag behind on her levels. If rallies allowed her to acquire xp then she would definitely be a better unit
Great stuff as usual! I'm wondering though, if we are considering DLC as well as items like Thyrsus, I would consider Dimitri the best by far because of the introduction of chalice of beginnings. He can now vantage sweep ranged units as well as siege magic users. With enough charm his only weakness (enemy gambits) can be mitigated as well. God Tier for maddening imo.
Chalice of beginnings can make tons of units enemy turn sweepers. My Petra has vantage, wrath, and defiant crit, and I give her a devil axe to lower her hp for one round before sending her out as a monster flier.
Here is some suggestion:
Leonie: Up to bottom S: Amazing growth rates, no weakness, solid bases...yea she really good...like really good.
Dorothea: Down a bit: She too fragile and her spell kit is a bit lacking especially white magic.
Linhardt: Way Up to A: He has warp...that should already speak for itself.
Catherine: Up to A: Can easily make the first part of the game a joke and really helps after the timeskip due to her bases.
Seteth: Down: His bases aren't that amazing like Catherine and in Maddening he gets completely destroyed by the faster units. Especially the Falcon Knights and Assasins.
Raphael: Down: His rally doesn't mean much and he can't do just job as a tank.
Ingrid: Up: She can easily get into a filer class and get Darting blow from Pegasus Knight.
Felix: Slight down maybe? Getting his shield is a pain in the ass and his personal skill is useless due to Battalion giving much stat gains.
The Rest seems fine... besides maybe switching Claude with Dimitri. I mean come on, Claude gets his own personally Flying Class for free!
Edit: Edelgard should get her own tier list. She breaks the game in half. Like Edelgard with Aymr is super dumb and can cheese all of the maps if you save your repair materials correctly.
I could be wrong but I think Dorothea as a dancer is one of the best in the game and that should give her something. meteor to have support from nearly anywhere is a great boost imo.
@@ufailowell Well anyone could be a dancer ...after all the White Heron Cup isn't that hard. So Dorothea isn't that special. Meteor is nice but she unlocks it at the end game.
Leonie with Point-Blank Volley and Curved Shot as a Wyvern Lord is really good, high hit rate and high speed make her a sniper but with 3 more mov and can fly
Well it really depend on the route since Catherine church is pretty avreage in my opinion and really outshine by Shamir.
@@charleouel9012 Even so Catherine still has Thunderbrand to double things.
How is yuri only A+ tear I think he’s the best unit in the game (if you don’t count Edelgard) and if you put him down the dancer path and get sword equals avoid +20 and then promote him into a trickster he can solo the whole game because no one’s able to him.
I think Bernie is A tier cuz like
She learns Vengeance at C+ Lance which does more damage the less hp she has. This is HUGE cuz you can just slap on HP +5 and death blow, have her take damage and she literally deletes units. Having her go Cav or Peg Knight which allows her to nuke n dip
Hapi, imo, isn’t S Tier. Her magic growth isn’t as good as Lysithea and she isn’t as fast as her either. From my experience, she isn’t strong enough so she can one shot an enemy or fast enough in order to double. She’s on par with Linhardt tbh.
Agreed i think constance is way better
Female magic users are just better due to having access to Gremory valkary and dark flier her utility alone makes her amazing flying warpers an argument could be make for all 5e ashen wolves except Balthus being s tier
@@connor217 yuri is a guy
@@2nii2 im well aware but he has his own utility as one of the best dancers plus windsweep and his growths he can be an amazing dodge tank
While I wouldn't say Shes bad Putting Lysethia in S teir is saying shes better then all of A tier at there best. At Lysethia best shes a magical nuke or a warper. When Sylvain can be a Lance of Ruin wyvern user, Felix being literally a speedy nuke, Ferdinand the same as Sylvain but a little worse. One thing they all have over her is they can actually handle themselves. She is not gonna match any maddening units in speed, her defense is an absolute joke and she mostly stuck to infantry classes other then maybe Dark flier. Shes better then many units but again I think you very overrate her. The only units who really belong in S are the lords and Byleth
Lorenz: shit charm, invalidated by Hapi, however can clean up stragglers well, Ignatz: Rally god, hits shit everytime, if you like to cheese make him a dancer.
Hilda seems a little overrated. I tried using her in BL maddening and found her speed and skill bases to be too low. I would have thought Petra and Leonie would be better.
I made Hilda a Wyvern Lord and then she kicked ass. Though most people's opinions of her are likely boosted by the meme. Any character can be bumped up or down a tier based on likability alone.
Nathan Harris Probably Rng screwed. She’s a demon with gauntlets and axes lmao.
@@cosmictraveler1146 I mean maybe, but that doesn't change her bases. I'd say her early game is probably her biggest weakness.
I'm not exactly saying move Ignatz up (I haven't played him in maddening) but I currently have trickster Ignatz with insane Luck, Speed and Dex and reliable Strength and Magic. He rarely gets hit, always doubles, has generally 40-60 crit, and has Physic and Foul Play. For items he uses a steel bow (just in case y'know), silver sword, cursed sword of ashyk (don't remember the name) for 80 crit sometimes if necessary and some other weapon I don't remember and has a goddes ring for more luck and self heal
Vengeance on Bernadetta
really changes her viability
Correct. I manually grinded swords and axes on her for brigand and hero, getting her death blow and defiant strength. Then I sent her down pegasus line for darting blow and defiant avoid. Darting blow, death blow, defiant strength, defiant avoid, lance proficiency, Lancefaire, canto, avoid+10, persecution complex. Its insane. Can put avoid stance+ on her instead of maybe darting blow since she will already be super fast. Have her hold a devil sword and put her near a couple enemies for a round or two. Now you are in defiant range. With defiant strength, persecution complex, death blow, and Lancefaire, hoo boy vengeance is stupid. Defiant avoid helps her stay alive.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 hero is a male only class but ok
I would love to see a Verdant Wind tier list since you mad ones for CF and AM. Also it’s nice that the Wolves are good. Woulda been upset if they weren’t lol
This man really just said "knights of seer-os"
How is Caspar hard to recruit? In my opinion, other than a female Byleth recruiting Sylvain, he has the easiest requirements in the game when recruiting other house members. You will get a 10 strength naturally just by playing, so that's a non-issue, and a C in Brawling is very doable. Even if you don't wanna use gauntlets with Byleth, since brawling's a strength of theirs, it goes up much faster than having to train lances or axes to recruit characters who need those when you don't wanna ever use those weapons on Byleth.
I think it's because Caspar and Ferdinand have their B support locked behind timeskip, which is the easiest way to recruit people. A lot of people ignore the stat/skill requirements
@@llw1508 Well, you can't actually recruit a lot of students at B support anyways because their requirements are really high and B support only goes so far. Take a look at the tables on the Recruitment page on Serenesforest. If you C+ support with Caspar, the requirements go down to 6 strength and D+ in brawling. I get that support is how most people do it, but in all my time playing this game, I feel like it's pretty impossible to B support every single student you want to recruit before doing so, especially since B support isn't a guaranteed recruit either, only A support is.
@@AJMC82 if you manage to get B support with the students you want before u finish a save, NG+ and unlock the B ranks immediately, the students will ask to join you. It's not immediate but it usually happens before the first skirmish, where u fight Kostas
I can agree with Edelgard being 1st place.
She has some of the best damage and the best defense on the game and she has decent dodging.
She is definitely the most over powered house leader.
Dimitri’s good too.
Personally, I feel like Claude is the most op house leader, but yeah, all three of them are insane units. Claude in my eyes shines from the insane growths of his unique classes, the skill diversity from being able to go down either the archer or brigand line, his unique skill giving him pass, a 2-3 range bow with the highest mt of all bows, a crit boost, and the combat art letting him dodge all attacks for one enemy phase, self healing from crest, a 2-5 range combat art, the list goes on and on. Gets enclosure too which has already been stated in the video to be super good. And his personal battalion is insane.
Louie Satterwhite
I didn’t mean to discredit Claude.
He is a fantastic unit. All of the house leaders have different roles though.
Edelgard is meant to tank and one shot.
Claude’s job is to dodge and crit.
Dimitri’s is to have reliable damage and crits.
@@biandanxious3438 fair enough. All three of them are among the best units in the game.
Louie Satterwhite
Yea. The top 4 are
1. Edelgard
2. Lysithea
3. Claude
4. Dimitri
But all of them are pretty equal.
Vengeance Bernadetta killed like every single boss in my maddening ss play though. May not be the best strategy but it’s tons of fun.
Yuri and anna should not have that much of a tier difference. They have similar growths and weapon proficiency. The only major difference
Yuri has better base stats and proficient in authority
Anna has an easier time becoming a flier(pegasus, neutral in flying, proficient in axes) or bow knight(proficient in riding)
Imo both should go to A. yuri it is difficult to get him into a good class and Anna is basically worse petra
Anna is automatic C tier because she's supportless. Supports are mandatory on maddening and valuable on hard. Her good stat growths are irrelevant if she gets merc'd because she can't do linked attacks with extra might and avoid.
Yuri is an invaluable vantage swordmaster. The strengths in reason and faith are just icing if you decide you want to take him down the Mortal Savant route.
Yuri should be S tier in my opinion. The fact that he learns Windsweep so early make the early game much easier. Beating the Death Knight is much easier considering you get a free hit with Yuri since DK won't attack back due to Windsweep
> Ignatz better than Bernadetta
In what planet homie
Bernadetta is amazing with the lance combat art - Vengeance, get her HP low and leave it and she one hit kills anything including the death knight early on, ofc i always play on maddaling if you know how to use her is by far one of the hidden gems in the game S tier for me
New player any other hidden gems? Also...but with her health low wont she get one shot?
@@beasthaven1571 Nobody can kill her if they're dead
I’d move Bernie up to A because persecution complex makes her one of the biggest damage dealers early game. It’s especially effective with vengeance and because it’s easier to get her into riding you could do Paladin for lancefair for even more and then canto out with move +1. Vantage and battalion wrath with killer bow plus and sniper is also insane with her personal skill
Agreed Bernie stats growths are not good but she has an excellent combo. Low Hp bernie with vengeance can one shot EVERYTHING
Mage-Bernadetta will reign supreme
I know that is a personal tier list, but I have some disagreements with it:
1. Ashe is the same unit as Bernadetta and Ignatz but with better bases(in terms of utility and growths). I think he have 2 points higher str and spd than the other two. He can go wyvern easy enough. Of course Bernadetta will be a flyer ealier, but this just means that Ashe will get Death Blow instead of Darting Blow(of course if you can master 2 classes before lv 20 Ashe can get Death Blow and Hit +20 while Bernadetta will get Death Blow and Darting Blow), but as an advanced class Ashe will have 7 mov while Bernie still 6(of course unless you go nuts and train her in axes a lot too). Ignatz's Rally means nothing since most of the time he will be a combat unit. So maybe put Ashe between Ignatz and Bernie(since Ignatz combat is arguably better)?
2. I think that both Lysithea and Hapi are good units and warp is good too, but is it really S tier though? Both of them can't do EP at all. Both of them can nuke or OHKO enemy units, but this doesn't say much since any other "mage" unit can do that as well(aside from OHKO). Speaking of OHKOing stuff: from my expirience and from what I've seen from other people, Lysithea have just enough damage to OHKO most of the enemies which means that she will not get a few points of magic she will be 1-2 points away from doing so. I think same goes for Hapi. The game is PP focused, but EP is still important: you can bait enemies, you can kill them with stronger units. Of course it dumps her to other units' point, but this is why I don't think that they're S tier unit, they're not that good. And on PP simply everyone can ORKO enemies(of course if we're assuming that this is a team of strongholds). Warp is not that good in Maddening since exp, a fair number of route maps and bulky bosses in "defeat the boss" chapters. So maybe about mid of A+?
3. Is Balthus really that good? I mean he's better than Dedue and Raph, but that doesn't saying much. He still can't double or quad enemies aside from armors, he still gets a lot of damage on EP. So, is he better than Catherine, Shamir, Ingrid, Seteth, Bernadetta, Ignatz and Ashe? I don't think so.
4. Speaking of Ingrid. It's fun how she was considered one of the- if not the best unit in the game and now people seems to see her as quite ok unit. Anyway, she have the easiest access to the flyer class, good personal skill and combat arts, and also good spell list if you want to make her a mage class. Of course she struggles a lot in the early game and can't ORKO a lot of enemies in later chapters, but this is still unfair to put her bellow Lorenz, Flayn, and maybe Seteth and Shamir.
5. Swift Strikes is a good combat art, but it comes too late. You will get it about 2/3 of the game if you go Wyvern and earlier if you go Paladin. It means that 2/3 of the game units such as Felix, Leonie, Petra and Yuri will be more superior. But even after that the only thing that they can do, that those 4 cannot is not taking a counterattack. Also worth noting that Combat Arts are a PP thing, so on EP they cannot kill stuff unless they have enough speed.
6. I thought that Mercedes is the best healer in the game, so why Marrianne is above her? Sure she have better spell list, but most of the time they will not fight so it doesn't matter all that much
7. Cyril's Point-Blank Volley is better than Caspar's nothing. So maybe put Cyril above Caspar?
For the rest of the list I kind of agree(I can only nitpicking to some positions such as Catherine>Shamir and so on). Hope you will notice this comment and agree or disagree with me :3
D+ is enough for Brigand and C for Wyvern Rider and C+ for Wyvern Lord, just set Axe and Flying as Bernadetta's goal, tutoring her bow and forget about Pegasus Knight. The subject experience from Goals are fixed, are unaffected by the student's subject affinities.
@@flyingrope4978 this numbers are pretty unreliable except for Brigand's
@@altha201 C in axe and C in flying with 12 lck equals 42% pass rate for wyvern rider, which means there is only a 7.4% chance that she will fail for 3 consecutive weeks. And C in lance, C+ in axe and A in flying equals 40+(Luck/2) pass rate for wyvern lord. But if you don't like the idea of using S/L to save seals, this is unreliable for sure.
I am a bit curious how Catherine and Seteth fall off when they have better growths than like 70% of the students...they start good and stay good. Catherine needs to invest flying and lance to go Falcon Knight since Swordmaster is meh long term, but Seteth is in the only class he needs as soon as he joins and has an incredible growth spread, with amazing weapon ranks and Swift Strike. I fail to see how either of them fall off, especially him.
Had too abandon Ferdinand for leonie in my maddening CF play through. Everyone has such a high opinion of ferdie but I’ve ended up with a lack luster (RNG screwed) unit in multiple play throughs unfortunately (same with hilda). Flier Petra carried my maddening run however.
Lysithea is definitely S tier, her spell list is incredible and warp and trivialize maps even on maddening
Ashe is a decent unit but never really stood out for me. He definitely shines in the cindered shadows campaign though.
I agree on Ferdie. I can't tell if I just get RNG screwed every time or if people are simply overhyping him :D
Lysithea is - in my opinion - by far the best unit in the game. Her magic stat is insane, her spell list is great both for power and utility and she has consistently one-shot enemies that other units can't even hurt. Definitely the MVP of my maddening run.
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Lysithea holds up the harder the game gets. We’ve seen glass cannons in the series before but lysithea is by far the most potent magic unit I’ve used in a fire emblem game.
I think he's overrated in the wrong areas. He's a dodge tank, really. Keep him a wyvern with alert stance+, his personal and the class bonus, and you got a good dodge. He can use Cichol's lance too. That and swift strikes hurts any non foretress knight.
Ducklord
Never made him a flier, definitely have to give that a try. I’ve made him a bow knight and great knight but flier with alert stance sounds pretty good thanks!
@@melthework4511 That would be why. The cavalier line can screw over almost anyone. Boosting his speed makes him much better then trashing it.
Ferdinand is S tier on Maddening. Wyvern Lord + Evade Ring + full HP on his personal + avoid battalion is disgusting. On the CF final map, the highest hit % anything had on him was like...30% from those ridiculous pegasus knights. Otherwise, if you alert stance and wait , enemy hit rates on him were like 5-20%. He's so good.
Catherine carried me through the game not to mention she pretty much kills any unit in the game with thunderbrand doing x4 hits I'd move her to the middle of A+ personally
What class did you have her as
How dare he not make Annette #1. This is blasphemy.
I think Ashe should be moved in to B+ or even A tier, from my personal experience he is really easy to class in to brigand and gets strength much more often than Bernie and Ignatz while having Shamir tier crit rates- I will admit he isn't amazing until you get to sniper but when he does get there he's one of my most effect killers.
So I can agree with or understand most of these rankings (for the characters I've actually used at least) but HARD disagree on Ingrid from my experience. Falcon Knight Ingrid was the absolute savior of my late game Blue Lions Maddening. She was able to double a lot of units, basically the ones that aren't from "fast" classes like Swordmaster or Pega knights, she's a mage tank and mage killer, but most importantly, INSANE dodge. Alert Stance+ and Swordbreaker, most units have single digit hit rates against her, sometimes even 0, and almost no one even breaks 15. Even axe users with lancebreaker don't seem to be able to handle it, and archers are a joke due to the distance penalty to accuracy they take because they love to attack from a distance. This is nice with a Silver Lance or Spear to aggro enemies while simultaneously softening them up for easy kills, but one more thing makes her even more ace.
Retribution, a 2 per battle Gambit on a couple Battalions (one of which I think is easy to get) that gives a group of units the ability to counterattack from any range for FIVE TURNS. Give her this and a silver Lance or Luin and enjoy. Archers? Wrecked. Mages, even with 3 range spells or magic range plus skills? Easy dead. And the big lovely bit, seige tome mages, the annoying pieces of crap? Deader than dead. She did SO much work as soon as she got Alert Stance +, there were plenty of enemies she couldn't one-round, but she could draw in and survive groups of enemies better than ANY tank, while also doing enough damage for your other units to easily finish them off without reprisal.
ive never played hardeneing im a noob its like my first fe... so ingrids worth keeping?
Agree 100% with you Ingrid is one of the best dodge tanks and the bane of all mages she has carried my entire team so many times she deserves top of A+ tier honestly because in my opinion she is a better unit than Sylvain and Felix. People like to bring up her strength growth but this can easily be padded out by taking her on a detour through wyvern rider before reaching her endgame of Falcon Knight and giving her some strength boosting items.
Alright so I'm going to play a maddening run now and I'm going to use the lowest ranking units based on this tier list.
I like the way you think.
How'd your run go?
What is Balthus doing as A+ tier? I really think there should have been some justification other than "he is beater than Rafael" because Raphael is one of the worst units in game. That is like me claiming Bernie is S tier because she is beater than Ashe.
Lysethia is S tier, and if you don't like it you can call the cops!
I think that flayns best use is a dancer but I also think that Yuri is a really good dancer class because his relic gives canto so he gets to move far to another units allow them to move and still be able to move a space or two
Flayns best use is dark flier thanks to dlc.
I made a comment but I don’t think it actually sent, so I’ll do it again.
Merecedes should be A+. Your argument that she dies to any physical unit, while valid, is the same with all the other healers in the game. As long as you don’t recklessly move her around the map, she is helping out better than any other healer in the game. Plus, her skill can help her recover her health if needed.
Other than that, I’m fine with all your other placements. Love the context and keep it up 😊
And what did you mention earlier about a run by raingore? I don’t know what this is and it sounds interesting
There is too big of a gap between Raphael and Balthus. Balthus has one more defense at base and they both have the same growth. Balthus is still better to due having a crest and a better personal skill, but not but that much.
I would move Constance to S tier simply because her speed Growth is DUMB, and Bolting is way too useful. Let me give you a tip, make Yuri your Dancer just for Sword Dance and Sword Avoid. He becomes the best Avoid Tank, but don't leave him as a Dancer for too long because he has a bad Strenght Growth.
Caio César Fernandes Sousa her speed growth is only 35% tho, 45 in dark flier. Bolting is definitely useful tho
@@notfabio9858 damn, I prob got lucky then, she doubled everything
Get lethality and it k
Cyril is ridiculous!
All my maddening playthroughs abuse killer weaponry, and his Point Blank Volley combined with his natural affinity for Wyvern Riding and killer bows makes him an expert killer.
Right now he's putting Claude to shame. Cyril is amazing! Just, make sure to groom slow starting units. I attach adjuncts to Byleth and Catherine to soak up experience and weapon/class points.
Best strategy for maddening is to go all in on Byleth, and then to train allies by forcing them into support roles. Also, pump your Byleth with *ALL* the stat boosters. The avatar will be the only unit involved in 100% of your battles.
That's definitely one strategy for maddening, but not everyone likes to play that way.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 I started the game on maddening. This strat has been a lifesaver! I'm particularly attached for that reason, and I find it's the most effective.
That and: squads formed on movement, get thyrsus no matter what, and killer-knuckles(and *ANY* crit bonus) are the best!
I'm just happy to be: "over the hill" on maddening's learning curve. I estimate the finale will kick up the difficulty immensely, and so I'm beefing up my fighters hardcore; I might be dissappointed if I overshoot it though.
Just got done with my first BL playthrough, on Maddening ng+, and Ingrid was probably my best unit. I definitely can agree her strength is lacking, though. She’s probably the prime example of ”you get out of her what you put in”. Mine was a monster, but I had to dump most of my strength items into her during the first half. Once she gets Alert Stance+, she can be a game changer for baiting enemies. After that, got her to S rank in Lance, gave her the scythe from the Mercedes/Caspar paralogue, and the 44% crit Chance per hit made up for her lack of strength. Have a teammate hit her with Retribution gambit to watch her destroy half the endgame map, lul
Also Ashe was mid af but he came in SUPER clutch in the final map with 5 consecutive Failnaught crits.
Bernadetta- No mention of her single greatest strengthwhich makes her a god of death. Encourages sniper. Puts her in B+.
Let me stop you right there.
Don't make her an archer.
Ignore her when she wants to use bows.
She's not good with bows.
She just isn't.
Instead, do one of two things.
Either make her a Cavalier/Paladin/Bow Knight, or go galaxy brain and turn her into a Pegasus Knight/Falcoknight.
If you turn her into a cavalier, get her a steel lance, the heaviest shield you can find, and a grappler/armor knight adjunct.
If you turn her into a flier, ignore that, give someone in your army the blessing battalion. Which you can apparently win in a minigame I've never tried, and you can buy post timeskip.
Get her to C+ rank lances.
All of which is really easy to do and takes minimal investment.
Proceed to place her in S tier.
You had me up until S-tier. I'd honestly rank her with the other brave combat users. I agree with everything else you said though, and it's odd that he didn't mention Vengeance at all
@@isaiah204 I honestly have to rank her above them.
She gets vengeance significantly earlier than they get Strikes/Point Blank, kills easier with it, has better class options as a female with a good lance art, and, quite frankly, is more useful before she gets it due to her personal ability and her initial strength with bows.
If Sylvain and Ferdinand are high A+ tier with Leonie not particularly far behind, I see no way for Bernie not to be in S tier.
I've personally found that getting her to Falcoknight is honestly so absurdly potent that she compares to the three lords. Which is made amusing when I get her to activate both defiant avoid and alert stance to become basically immortal despite being nearly dead.
But maybe that's just me.
Petra for me is almost always amazing, I made her a wyvern lord and she had 40 strength and 40 speed. Petra's growths and potential, at least when I use her, is just amazing
Bernadetta getting vengeance alongside encloser, having boons for all bow knight reqs is p great, I’d say A at least for utility
My first play through was CF (Blind run, got lucky) and Falcon Knight Ingrid was by far my MVP. I loved her.
Lysithia is at most A tier, no way she's in S. Too squishy for my offensive playstyle.
I mean like maybe for your playstyle but if used right she can solo parts of the map without getting hit
Not everyone plays like they're rushing in and destroying everything on sight. I play pretty defensively while trying to maintain mobility. I'd rate Lysithea at B+ for my own playstyle, but opinions are just opinions, and I'll respect them.
Is it normal, that Jeritza (and male Byleth) carried my game when I played maddening? He's definitely up there in S with Dimitri, Claude, Edelgard and Byleth.
I found Bernie more useful than Ignatz. First, deadeye was really useful for chip damage early in maddening mode. But I also abuse vengeance. On maps where she can take a hit without dying, I send her around to deal massive damage with vengeance.
Overall good tier list, I Just disagree with a few placements, i'll state how i've built these characters on my playtrough and why i think my experience with then was different then what you described, i don't want to trash on your video on anything, it's mostly very accurate, these are just my opinions on these few instances that i think they can be way more then what you described:
1:Marianne: she can be more then just a healer, she learn soulblade, so if you go the monk > preist > bishop > trickster route, she'll have a lot res, increasing soulblade's damege, so if you make her a trickster she can be a oneshoting unit while having stealth, so when paired with a very durable tank or a dancer petra with alert stance, or alert stance +, she can go within enemy range, oneshot then, and don't get targeted on enemy phase, while she can use foul play and healing, this build also work wonders with her hero's relic, since butclanc doesn't scale with strength, but with mag, and you will probably get renewal on this route, learning renewal, and using her personal skill, you can use the cursed sword on you get on the chest in reunion at dawn without ever neading healing from other unists, on my run she oneshoted enemies as consistently as lisythia, so i think she's at least A+, with the dlc.
2: Raphael: his only weakness, having low hit rate, can be fixed with battallions, and since he learn battallion wrath very early, you can decrease a battallion endurence to 1/3 and then equip battallion wrath, and then he will become a awsome enemy phase unit mid game, if you instruct only brawl and authority, after getting battallion wrath you can start building just brawl and axe, and at late game make him a war master, give him a critical ring and a battallion with high hit and crit and then you won't nead battallion wrath anymore, at this point he deletes everything both on player and enemy phase.
3 Ignartz: his personal skill can stack with archer's mastery skill, and both affect not only weapon attacks, but also gambits, so you can focus his growth on stats besides charm and dexterity and still have high hit rate, so you can master archer to get hit +20 and brigand to get death blow with the knowledge gem before moving him to sniper, and then get hunter's volley, and in the time you made him a brigand he had some strengh growth boost, and thanks to 2 stacks oh hit +20 you can give him just a accuracy ring and instead of a battalion with high hit, you can focus on a battalion with high physical attack, and since hunter's volley hit twice, the physical attack bonus have twice the efect, so at mid to lategame he oneshot most enemies that aren't armored, monsters or bosses, and for those he uses break shot so everyone else canbeat it easier, and the hit plus 40 also affects gambits so he doesn't nead to build charm and can also help with breaking monster barrier.
4: dorothea, she is one of the only 3 units that learn meteor, outside of hanneman and... anna... for whatever reason, so a gremory dorothea can attack groups of enemies from very far away twice, and she learn white magic avoid, another awsome talent, making her very broken on endgame, and she learn thoron very early, wich also giver her a lot of value early game.
My lysithea on madding is an absolute monster. She literally soloed the gronder field map post timeskip and its hilarious.
Made her a dancer with the +20 avoid sword skill, the flying skill with +30 avoid on wait, sword prowess and lethality. She doesnt care about str stat at all since she has an astronomous dex, which makes her lethality proc with a 10% proc rate.
I also learned that when nosferatu procs lethality, youd get the health. Yum 120 hp monsters giving her 60 health on proc.