@@jacobberg373 I dont know, I think it could would as a different version of the thought bomb from the Darth bane series of books, where bane tricks the brotherhood of darkness into bleeding the crystal, killing them all in the process
Even if the rise of skywalker was not really good, I love how writers can still always use the elements of movies to come up with new stories and connections. Explaining Exegol and Palpatines plan as well as giving the Pretorians and Snoke some possible connections is something I really appreciate. To me it is just like how explaining the clone wars made the Prequel era much better by building around the elements those movies set up.
The books have become my favorite part of SW, because I love to see how all these authors’ voices fill in the gaps. If you haven’t read TROS novelization, I strongly recommend. It opened up a whole bunch of the movie for me... I just kept saying, oh that makes more sense!
This comic only makes things worse. You see in the former Vader series and several Books we learned that the empire hat limited resources and the grand admirals and Moffs had big struggles to gain enough money and resources to realize their projects. But despite Palpatine was just building a second Death Star and new super Star destroyers he still had enough money to build a fleet of hundred mini Death Star ships and modern cloning stations? Where did he got that money and resources from? It still doesn’t makes sense
@@manueinsnoob6558 i guess we now know how tf they can struggle, Palpatine was running a ponzi scheme to channel money into his secret Exogul fleet. Also not the first time he built a secret fleet/army, the clone army effectively had a standing army and navy miraculously at the start of the war despite the demilitarized stance of the Republic.
@@kim2894 true but I still don’t like the fact that this Exegol Story line makes the whole „struggle within the Empire“ Story a lie. Also why should the Emperor build this fleet in secret? He never planned to get beaten by the rebellion and the Empire was never demilitarized so it doesn’t make sense that he used the same strategy that he used with the clone army. In my opinion this whole story line is way over the top. The second Death Star took years to build and caused massive struggles even if the Empire worked on it with all its resources but a single planet and a hand full cultists where able to build a fleet of hundred ships with the same technic. Also: why did the emperor even build a slow, non agile Space station who need days to reach its target, is way more expensive, who took years to build and who is very easy to attack because it can’t flee that easily when he had the possibility to build way more agile Star destroyers with the same technic who are cheaper because lesser material and who can attack more than one planet at the same time because there are more of them. Why didn’t he concentrated his efforts on that more effective project? This story makes the whole concept of the second Death Star ridiculous. I am afraid the Exegol Story created even more plot wholes. Disney could have worked with a single super weapon like the Eclipse but no they thought it’s necessary to make a completely unrealistic fleet with thousand super weapons. Thats unrealistic and over the top even for Star Wars.
I love that the comic was connecting to TROS and showing Exegol during the Imperial era but one thing I'm glad Vader didn't see is Palpatine's cloned body. Now it's possible that hadn't even be created yet, there's still a time jump between the comic and ROTJ I believe but if Vader had seen the Emperor's backup plan, I would have had a hard time reconciling that with Anakin's redemption, which is my favourite thing in SW. Like why would he not say the Emperor had a clone body if he knew about it. Force ghost restrictions or not, that is a BIG detail to leave out and I'm glad that's been cleared up. Anakin did not know about the clone when he died so he became one with the Force, believing he'd taken Sidious with him Sidious' return doesn't undermine Anakin's redemption IMO (at least no more than it did in Legends, which again I don't see as ruining it), I see it as the next step in the Chosen One prophecy. Anakin brought balance to the Force but now it's up to the Jedi that follow him like Luke, Leia and Rey to maintain that balance. The Sith didn't come back fully, Rey stopped that from happening and thus the balance was maintained. And there's always going to be a dark side and a threat that feeds off of it, not necessarily just the Sith and again the balance could one day be threatened but it'll fall to the Jedi to keep the balance in check. (Just to be clear though, I don't think the Sith will return again, not gonna have a One Sith situation like in Legends, just pointing out that they are not the only threat to balance in the Force😅)
Why is there only balance if the sith die and the Jedi live? To me balance would only come back if they go back to the original force users teachings of controlling both light and dark. The Jedi broke the Ballance when they stopped teaching that and then the sith came from those Jedi as the force was trying to balance it self again. Like when Yoda had to face his dark side and understand that it was always apart of him when he was learning from the force wills how to be a force ghost. To me the prophecy of the chosen one is not over until that happens and they teach that to everyone because the force is in all things. Just my opinion 😄.
Never understood the complaint of "why did the Praetorian Guards attack when Snoke was dead?" By that logic, if someone went into the White house and killed the President, are the Secret Service supposed to just stand around and crown the shooter as the new President?
To be fair, the US President isn't operating under the assumption that their apprentice (V.P.?) are supposed to try and kill them at some point to take their power.
Reference book say "that they are elite sentinels that stand watch over supreme leader snoke. They are the last line of defence protecting snoke. Ready to destroy any threat that would dare penetrate so deeply into the first order." So by that logic kylo Ren just turned into threat deeply in first order so thay had to attack kylo Ren.
I would love to see Exegol in The Acolyte if an opportunity comes up. It would be interesting to see what the people there do when the Sith are officially "wiped out". Do they continue in the hope one day a Sith shows up or do they start their own thing? Questions...
The duty of a body guard unit, like the Praetorians, is to protect their charge. Failing that, it is their duty to avenge the death of their charge. It's really not that complicated.
You also have to take in mind their mindset. These people truly believe they’re bringing peace to the galaxy by killing and oppressing people (or they just want control). So sure normal folk might just shrug and walk off to find a new job, but hardcore believers are going to be swept up in the emotions and want to fulfill their duty to avenge the death of the fallen.
I wonder what happened to the Emperors royal guard on the second Death Star? I know Palpatine dismissed them and they probably died but I wonder if some of them escaped.
@@TheLiamster if I recall correctly one of them did, or he never was on the death star for some reason, but the guy blamed himself for the death of the emperor, and a relative sold his helmet(or something like, I don't remember a lot, it's from the Bloodlines novel, it's in the part where senator Casterfo is buying imperial stuff for his collection)
Darth Kennedy knows this all too well. Why else would she have betrayed Star Wars with her twin apprentices Abrams and Johnson? Only the new hope of Filoni and Favreau can save us now.
But it destroyed the whole logic of other comics and books. We learned that the empire did not have unlimited resources but the emperor had enough money to build a fleet of mini Death Stars while also building the second Death Star and new Star destroyers? How? This whole Exegol Story is way to much over the top and a big plot whole
@@jacobberg373 ok in that case I will explain it a bit more: my problem is, that this comic destroyed the whole Star Wars logic 1. What I mentioned earlier: bocks, Rebels and comics say, that the empire had limited resources but obviously that’s false 2. Why would Palpatine even bother with building a slow, expensive, not agile and single super weapon such as the Death Star, when he was able to spend his money why more effective in a whole fleet of mini Death Stars. The whole concept of the second Death Star is ridiculous now. The Plan B argument is a bit weak as well. His plan B would‘ve been way more expensive than his Plan A. If he would‘ve used the money for one project and not both, he would‘ve easily been able to finish his Death Star before the rebel attack 3. Another thing: nobody, not even the highest ranks of the empire knew anything about this fleet. But do you know who knew it? Vader aka Anakin Skywalker. So he knew that there is a almost finished fleet of planet destroying Star destroyers who could easily destroy the new republic and the Jedi but he didn’t thought it’s necessary to tell his some about this Plan. No matter if he is a force ghost or still alive but he could‘ve told Luke. But he didn’t. Why? And even if the emperor wasn’t there to command the ships anymore, his cultists where. Maybe you see my problem now: this comic destroys the logic of a lot of sources including episode 6. He creates a lot of plot wholes. Oh and because you mentioned it in another comment: no I didn’t searched reasons for disliking the comic I really enjoyed the Vader comics so far
I like the idea of Snoke being purely an evil Luke clone. George always teased the idea of Luke turning to the dark side and I think, symbolically, it’s really cool to have Ben trained by a Jedi master Luke and a kind of fallen Luke. The praetorians being those guard things is cool.
Body guards would be pretty useless if they just sat around committing themselves to who ever killed their last boss. Do people really have a problem with them fighting Rey and Kylo after they killed Snoke? People will find anything to complain about smh.
Wait what? People didn’t like that the guards fought after Snoke was killed?? Were they supposed to just walk away after their master was dead? People are insane
@@amransom26 Yeah, and the death was swift the guards didn't expect Kylo will ignite the lightsaber. I think killing your boss' murderer is the best response. Oh this guy just killed our boss whose going to pay us come let's kill him.
Reference book say "that they are elite sentinels that stand watch over supreme leader snoke. They are the last line of defence protecting snoke. Ready to destroy any threat that would dare penetrate so deeply into the first order." So by that logic kylo Ren just turned into threat deeply in first order so thay had to attack kylo Ren.
Crazy that people expected them to just swear allegiance to Kylo after murdering Snoke. If they did I'd lose all respect for them. I can picture them in a Seth Green comedy just discussing whether to quit or run over Snoke's fresh carcass lol. Unless they are living up to their namesakes, Praetorians. Praetorians during the early Roman Empire were bad ass & would still fight to the death if the Emperor were slain in front of them. Much later though they became greedy & self serving & would bend a knee to any new Emperor for a raise in pay or bribe. Or even kill the Emperor himself if the other guy bribed well enough.
“Exegol and What Vader Found There” I like the idea of this being a children’s book, like the ABCs of Exegol or something. “A is for Anakin, poor little Sith Lord... “ lol
I like the idea that Luke fought the first Snoke, but the Perfect Snoke (very human like) but he really died at the hands of Luke, and the Snoke that Ben meets it’s the regular one (the deformed ones) and he is just saying he got desfigured but in fact it’s just and imperfect clone
One thing I really love about the new movies is that we get to see a planet like Exegol just rooted in the Dark Side and Sith culture and then we also get to see Ahch-To and the beginning spot of the Jedi. Two very different places that just represent the two sides so well. One of chaos, death, destruction, and darkness, and one of peace, life, renewal, and light. Love some of the seeds of world building in these movies.
The last Jedi visual dictionary says "the origins of the praetorians remain a mystery. The name itself dates back to the 14th atrisian empire of kitel phard." Also says that they are elite sentinels that stand watch over supreme leader snoke. They are the last line of defence protecting snoke. Ready to destroy any threat that would dare penetrate so deeply into the first order. It says with their all enveloping uniforms, there identities are completely concealed.
I believe that the process of healing exgo had already started at the end of the battle as Rey left the planet you could see the sun being shined on the planet perhaps this could start the purification.
Actually Exegol is a proof to me, how better could had been if the First Order was a new faction, instead of a continuation of the Empire. At least a successor to another, such as the Eteral Empire or even the Nihil. For those whose familiar with Warhammer 40k, the First Order could become the Star Wars version of the Dark Eldar (without BDSM of course).
The First Order was another faction. It's just that Sidious took notice and used the First Order to his own advantage by having Snoke use his Force abilities and tactical genius to become the First Order's perfect leader. In Rise of Skywalker, the First Order high command saw their work with the Sith Eternal as merely an alliance despite Sidious being their former Emperor. Only General Pryde served Sidious because he still was close to his former loyalties during the Galactic Empire.
@@ryankwon8785 it's all true. For me my criticism is more about aesthetics instead of the actual difference. Liket think about the Separatists, they are pretty bad faction(by design, explained in-Universe) but they had membreable look.
@@bencebotye3904 I don’t think the First Order and Sith Eternal are wiped out. If you read the Legends’ legacy comics, you will know the direction they are taking: Imperial-Sith War.
You'll probably get asked this a bunch, but why wouldn't Anakin tell Luke about Exegol after ROTJ? The ambiguity of Force Ghosts and what their "rules" are makes them interesting, but I also hope we get some consistency with them.
@@MSnell It could simply be that Luke wasn't "able" to retrieve it for Dark Side/plot reasons, and so his next best bet was to find the only other known, living person who had been there
Honestly, I prefer Rey being not related to anybody, but I can see Luke's DNA being used to create the son of Palpatine, ergo making Rey kinda like Luke's grand niece?
hi Alex, if I remembered correctly Jyn mentioned Project War Mantle along with other code names such as Mark Omega, Pax Aurora and Black Saber, which according to K2SO they are all located in the schematic bank data tower 2 of the citadel tower, in the “structural engineering” file. It sounds like all these code names should be related to engineering/technology researches and construction projects such as super weapons, but Tarkin now revealed in the bad batch that War Mantle is about replacing clones with regular recruits (which is army related stuff). What are your thoughts on this? Is this just a small inconsistency? Coz it doesn’t seem like a lot of people noticed this. If you can make a video of that that’ll be great. Love ur channel.
Never hurts to have an extra hand when screwing the galaxy, Pal used it to for conducting The Imperial March.. Wilhelm Richard Wagner would have been so proud
I really want a Snoke novel. I think his origin and how he reaches the point where we see him in the movies could be really interesting. Although I wouldn't mind seeing part of his origin in The Mandalorian.
Maybe we saw Exegol being purified in TROS. When Rey defeated Palpatine the skies cleared and planetary storm ended with the sun emerging. It's just a thought, and I don't know that it's my headcanon yet. But, I could see that.
Of course the hand on exegol could also be a means for future stories featuring a cloned Luke who doesn’t know his own history, sort of like when we first meet Gregor in the clone wars. Just working in obscurity in a diner somewhere waiting to be discovered! Mark Hamil would eat up the chance to play a version of luke again since he was so offended at having a complex and interesting character arc in the last Jedi lol
This whole cloning and DNA subplot that is now heavy in all Palpatine-era new content is precisely why I was loath to see it in RoS. I rolled my eyes when I first heard of it in the EU and now it's become the thru-line in all new stories. Everything is now one giant retcon to get us to a living Palpatine marionette at the end of the sequel trilogy. I didn't like that he was back, and I really don't care how he got there. Would-be interesting characters like Grogu and Omega just serve as plot devices for cloning experiments now. How long until Bad Batch has it's own scene with a Snoke-in-the box? It's the new Death Star explosion for a new generation!
Would’ve been (and can still be) more creepy and Dark Side if it wasn’t just Luke’s hand Sidious had in jars, but also Anakin parts, and corpses and body parts of Jedi hunted or executed by the Clones, the Inquisitors, and Vader over the years. I’m imagining the reveal of a giant lab with like a few tentacle locks of Kit Fisto, an eye of Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi’s scalp, Dooku’s head and body, and a cut lekku of Aayla Secura’s…all recognizable as Jedi parts. Like Sidious was harvesting Jedi for midi-chlorians along with all the Force relics he had for “Dark Science. Cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew.” Imagine if Sidious had this secret program only “true believers” within and beyond the Empire knew about, where Sith Eternal operatives the likes of Ochi of Bestoon, the Acolytes of Beyond, and Gallius Rax were working his ultra secret Dark Side agenda. This is what, after his death, puts into play Operation Cinder, leading to the First Order, all the way through to the Final Order. Maybe? Whatcha think? I have to get the channel’s thoughts on this, so forgive me in advance for the double post to Patreon Q&A. Ha.
I know there is very little connection between this and the focus of this video. But I'm intrigued to how The Empire seems to get Limitless Financial Resources without any apparent consequences. I know that Star Wars is not focused on building a completely functional, logical, and interconnected world like other universes are. But as someone who has studied business and finances, I really want to know more about what are some of the consequences for the decisions the Empire made to be able to spend so much money on their military industrial complex
I don't think the Kaminoans will get wiped out because Kylo mentions that maybe they should have used Clones instead of people trained from birth to Hux in TFA.
It didn't really fix them it just expanded on ideas and fleshed them out in ways the movie should have done. Like imagine if palpatine had give Rey a tour of exagol and told her it's history and the history of the xiston class ships finally ending with him showing the corrupted kyber mountain as a way to tempt her to the dark side and that's where the final battle of the movie takes place.
@@imperialpower2875 Not to be rude, but that idea does hilarious because it sounds like Palpatine wanting show off his collection to his granddaughter while recounting long stories about why he has them. But that sounds more like an exposition dump to explain stuff that I feel doesn't need explaining with the movie itself
I like the idea of Luke’s hand being use for cloning, that way Rey would be related to Luke without being his direct daughter and make her a genuine Skywalker, thus the line wouldn’t be dead like it seemed at the end of TROS which was one my main problems with the film. It would also make her struggle between the light and dark more meaningful as she has a Skywalker and Palpatine side within her. Only con is that it would make the kiss with Ben on Exegol even more awkward.
It is absolutely possible that the Snoke that was disfigured by Luke is not the same Snoke that Kylo kills. Or even the same Snoke that was in TFA. It would be a fun reason for the minor character design changes between VII & VIII.
If Palpatine used the hand in the creation of his... clone-son(?), then technically Rey does have a blood connection to the Skywalker line. (Not saying it's good or bad, just pointing it out.)
You don't need to justify the Praetorians attacking Kylo. If someone shoots the president the Secret Service don't get the day off or make the assassin President.
Interesting to see this. But weird to see the xyston in the imperial era. When the empire struggled quite a bit just for the first and second Death Star. Then creates a much smaller xyston. Ik it’s sith but still.
Sidious is a guy who loves scheming and being in danger. He is shown to have a love for machines and weapons of mass destruction. It is similar to how Valkorion (Tenebrae) relied on Sky Trooper droids to be his soldiers over actual human conscripts. Machines are loyal and do not betray their masters unless they are given sentience like R2 and C3PO. Also, the Xyston Star Destroyers were probably planned to be used as a backup navy for the Sith's plans. However, unlike the Death Star, the Xyston Star Destroyers can be easily destroyed compared to a normal star destroyer as shooting is axial superlaser can cause the energy to blow up and destroy the entire ship itself.
I need to read this series I think. I definitely need to pick and choose my comics, there’s just so many and not enough time or money to read them all. I wonder if this will be released as a standalone complete all-in-one set for download or purchase at my local comic shop (when the pandemic lockdowns lift).
It had to make sense that those ships had been built decades ago otherwise they would of had to have, a new design. But why the question is, did palpatine was to destroy the Republic, create the empire, destroy it on purpose to make an even greater empire
He only destroyed his empire after his death because he had desire to see someone else rule the galaxy that wasn't him. He wished to purge the Empire of all elements that he saw as a weakness and to create a new better Empire that would reign for eternity with him as its god-emperor.
Honestly, I think Exogol would be better if it, and it's kyber was always corrupted by the Dark side. If a nexus was at the heart of the planet, the crystals would have grown and fed off of the dark side and not need bleeding. I like that idea much better than the crystals all starting out good and being bled. There are things and people that have never been in the light, and purifying them would be as unnatural as bleeding a regular crystal.
I would love to see the bleeding of the kyber 'mountain' (maybe in the time of the High Republic while the Sith were in hiding or further back in the Old Republic).
The idea that Snoke was created from the cells of the most powerful force sensitive beings: Anakin, Luke, and hell maybe even Palpatine and still manages to get smoked by bad writing is just typical of Disney.
Making a Luke clone is out of place for star wars???? They literally made an entire Clone Army. I don't think its out of place for Palpatine to try to clone the Skywalker DNA cloning at all...I mean it seems to be that cloning was backbone of most of Palpatines planes.
I think Palpatine created his clone by using the hand of Luke Skywalker and then his clone got a daughter named Rey - still having the Skywalker Blood in her. And because of this Luke's lightsaber called to her. And because of this she had the force connection with Kylo. And because of this she was from the very beginning a fine pilot when she used the Falcon to escape from Jakku. Change my Mind ! :-)
I think it just doesn’t make sense that Palpatine was able to build a fleet of planet-destroying ships while also building the imperial fleet and the second Death Star. In the former Vader Comic Series, Rebels and in the Thrawn triology we learn that there where big struggles between the imperial ranks how to use the limited resources of the empire effectively. We see that Thrawn, Krennik and other members fighting over the recourses to realize their projects. Thrawn his Tie defenders, Tarkin the Death Star and that other dude from the comics the super star destroyers. But while the empire is not able to realize all this very powerful projects, Palpatine can build a fleet of over hundert mini Death Star ships? That destroyed the whole plot of former story’s. Where did Palpatine got the money and materials for the fleet? This whole Exegol plot is a big plot whole and way to over the top
Palpatine is literally can do anything that he wants and above all that infighting in the ranks. He's the Emperor thus he can shift resources and money where ever he wants to go because just things are nothing to him. Also, the Sith Fleet was obviously just starting to be constructed because they lacked their planet-killing cannons and it still took over thirty years to finally finish it, which was probably a result of the collapse of the Galactic Empire.
stuff like this is why I have a love/hate relationship with EU materials. The movies should not be using their side material as a get out of jail free card, I hate when someone "The Prequels are good if you watch the Clone Wars." Yes, movies are good if you watch a Tv show, they can't stand on their own.
It's a real shame, because they built him up so much in the Aftermath trilogy, only to pull the rug out on the whole "The Emperor senses something in the Unknown Regions calling to him". Turns out, the thing in the UR calling out is.... Palpatine.
I don’t think he was wasted. He served his purpose in the story, which was to serve Kylo’s character arc. I prefer they didn’t spend a bunch of time in the movie trying to explain what the deal with emperor 2.0 was. We didn’t need some elaborate explanation for the emperor in the OT, which as best since Vader, like Kylo, was the focus in those movies. And I was glad they cleared out that familiar dynamic so that Kylo could be the leading villain in 9. Of course, they messed that last part up by bring back Palpatine. But the moment when Kylo kills Snoke will always be one of my favorites in the series though. The clone thing is definitely a bummer though. While I’m glad they didn’t bog down the movie with exposition on the emperor figure in 8, a book could have been interesting. But it’s hard to care about Snoke when there’s a bag full of them.
Snoke was never meant to be some big villain with a long complicated history he was just meant to be a hurdle for Kylo Ren to overcome in his rise to power. Kylo Ren was supposed to be the main antagonist one without a traditional redemption arc and one who died the villain. Had the trilogy been completed properly with Colin trevorrows episode 9 Ren would have had s complete rise and fall arc but instead JJ gave us a half-assed redemption arc and ruined the character.
I agree that there needs to be answers about Snoke. After episode seven, the conjecture was fun. Eight didn't really tell us much and neither did nine. Does Snoke have any free will of his own? Is he only a meat puppet? You can't just leave everyone hanging.
If that severed hand were from Luke's and mixed with Palp's DNA to make a clone son of Palpatine, that means Rey could be related to Kylo and they kissed on Exegol. Leia kissed Luke once. It's like poetry... It rhymes.
Omg I love the idea of a group of jedi purifying exegol, or even seeing the sith bleed it
I think seeing Exegol bled is so far back in the timeline that goes past the Old Republic Era.
@@jacobberg373 I dont know, I think it could would as a different version of the thought bomb from the Darth bane series of books, where bane tricks the brotherhood of darkness into bleeding the crystal, killing them all in the process
"We could very well learn that Palpatine is actively using the hand for *something*..."
ALEX, PLEASE, BEHAVE! :P
Lmao Sheev is a naughty
Even if the rise of skywalker was not really good, I love how writers can still always use the elements of movies to come up with new stories and connections.
Explaining Exegol and Palpatines plan as well as giving the Pretorians and Snoke some possible connections is something I really appreciate.
To me it is just like how explaining the clone wars made the Prequel era much better by building around the elements those movies set up.
The books have become my favorite part of SW, because I love to see how all these authors’ voices fill in the gaps. If you haven’t read TROS novelization, I strongly recommend. It opened up a whole bunch of the movie for me... I just kept saying, oh that makes more sense!
This comic only makes things worse. You see in the former Vader series and several Books we learned that the empire hat limited resources and the grand admirals and Moffs had big struggles to gain enough money and resources to realize their projects. But despite Palpatine was just building a second Death Star and new super Star destroyers he still had enough money to build a fleet of hundred mini Death Star ships and modern cloning stations? Where did he got that money and resources from? It still doesn’t makes sense
@@manueinsnoob6558 i guess we now know how tf they can struggle, Palpatine was running a ponzi scheme to channel money into his secret Exogul fleet.
Also not the first time he built a secret fleet/army, the clone army effectively had a standing army and navy miraculously at the start of the war despite the demilitarized stance of the Republic.
@@kim2894 true but I still don’t like the fact that this Exegol Story line makes the whole „struggle within the Empire“ Story a lie. Also why should the Emperor build this fleet in secret? He never planned to get beaten by the rebellion and the Empire was never demilitarized so it doesn’t make sense that he used the same strategy that he used with the clone army. In my opinion this whole story line is way over the top. The second Death Star took years to build and caused massive struggles even if the Empire worked on it with all its resources but a single planet and a hand full cultists where able to build a fleet of hundred ships with the same technic. Also: why did the emperor even build a slow, non agile Space station who need days to reach its target, is way more expensive, who took years to build and who is very easy to attack because it can’t flee that easily when he had the possibility to build way more agile Star destroyers with the same technic who are cheaper because lesser material and who can attack more than one planet at the same time because there are more of them. Why didn’t he concentrated his efforts on that more effective project? This story makes the whole concept of the second Death Star ridiculous. I am afraid the Exegol Story created even more plot wholes. Disney could have worked with a single super weapon like the Eclipse but no they thought it’s necessary to make a completely unrealistic fleet with thousand super weapons. Thats unrealistic and over the top even for Star Wars.
@@manueinsnoob6558 But it’s cool tho
I love that the comic was connecting to TROS and showing Exegol during the Imperial era but one thing I'm glad Vader didn't see is Palpatine's cloned body. Now it's possible that hadn't even be created yet, there's still a time jump between the comic and ROTJ I believe but if Vader had seen the Emperor's backup plan, I would have had a hard time reconciling that with Anakin's redemption, which is my favourite thing in SW. Like why would he not say the Emperor had a clone body if he knew about it. Force ghost restrictions or not, that is a BIG detail to leave out and I'm glad that's been cleared up. Anakin did not know about the clone when he died so he became one with the Force, believing he'd taken Sidious with him
Sidious' return doesn't undermine Anakin's redemption IMO (at least no more than it did in Legends, which again I don't see as ruining it), I see it as the next step in the Chosen One prophecy. Anakin brought balance to the Force but now it's up to the Jedi that follow him like Luke, Leia and Rey to maintain that balance. The Sith didn't come back fully, Rey stopped that from happening and thus the balance was maintained. And there's always going to be a dark side and a threat that feeds off of it, not necessarily just the Sith and again the balance could one day be threatened but it'll fall to the Jedi to keep the balance in check. (Just to be clear though, I don't think the Sith will return again, not gonna have a One Sith situation like in Legends, just pointing out that they are not the only threat to balance in the Force😅)
I agree with all of this.
Well said. It's not in the dark side's nature to give up, but that doesn’t undermine what Anakin (and his descendants) did for the galaxy.
Why is there only balance if the sith die and the Jedi live? To me balance would only come back if they go back to the original force users teachings of controlling both light and dark. The Jedi broke the Ballance when they stopped teaching that and then the sith came from those Jedi as the force was trying to balance it self again. Like when Yoda had to face his dark side and understand that it was always apart of him when he was learning from the force wills how to be a force ghost. To me the prophecy of the chosen one is not over until that happens and they teach that to everyone because the force is in all things. Just my opinion 😄.
And I don't think Vader knows that is possible jump for a vessel this way. I don't think Palpatine shared this knowledge.
Finally, someone who understands!
Exegol is one of my favorite planets in Star Wars. It’s dripping with Lovecraftian/Eldrich terror and this Rise of Skywalker fan couldn't be happier.
I agree.
Hell yes, all this cosmic horror and Palpatine’s genetic abominations are such cool ideas
I definitely read that comment unfavorably at first.
Exegol is a nifty difty idea and I'm glad to see it developed more in the Vader comic.
Never understood the complaint of "why did the Praetorian Guards attack when Snoke was dead?"
By that logic, if someone went into the White house and killed the President, are the Secret Service supposed to just stand around and crown the shooter as the new President?
To be fair, the US President isn't operating under the assumption that their apprentice (V.P.?) are supposed to try and kill them at some point to take their power.
Reference book say "that they are elite sentinels that stand watch over supreme leader snoke. They are the last line of defence protecting snoke. Ready to destroy any threat that would dare penetrate so deeply into the first order." So by that logic kylo Ren just turned into threat deeply in first order so thay had to attack kylo Ren.
I would love to see Exegol in The Acolyte if an opportunity comes up. It would be interesting to see what the people there do when the Sith are officially "wiped out". Do they continue in the hope one day a Sith shows up or do they start their own thing? Questions...
I really like this idea of seeing Exegol in The Acolyte. Hopefully, it will happen!
The duty of a body guard unit, like the Praetorians, is to protect their charge. Failing that, it is their duty to avenge the death of their charge. It's really not that complicated.
You also have to take in mind their mindset. These people truly believe they’re bringing peace to the galaxy by killing and oppressing people (or they just want control). So sure normal folk might just shrug and walk off to find a new job, but hardcore believers are going to be swept up in the emotions and want to fulfill their duty to avenge the death of the fallen.
I wonder what happened to the Emperors royal guard on the second Death Star? I know Palpatine dismissed them and they probably died but I wonder if some of them escaped.
@@TheLiamster if I recall correctly one of them did, or he never was on the death star for some reason, but the guy blamed himself for the death of the emperor, and a relative sold his helmet(or something like, I don't remember a lot, it's from the Bloodlines novel, it's in the part where senator Casterfo is buying imperial stuff for his collection)
EXACTLY. Schutzstaffel soldiers kept fighting after large numbers of Wehrmacht surrendered during the end of WWII.
*Betrayal:* the root of all things *Sith* related
Darth Kennedy knows this all too well. Why else would she have betrayed Star Wars with her twin apprentices Abrams and Johnson? Only the new hope of Filoni and Favreau can save us now.
I wanted to see Vader sabotage Sheev’s cloning machines so he could have the last laugh.
You made the pretorian guardian better to me 😁
Exegol is really cool. I'm glad to see more. This comic was very good.
But it destroyed the whole logic of other comics and books. We learned that the empire did not have unlimited resources but the emperor had enough money to build a fleet of mini Death Stars while also building the second Death Star and new Star destroyers? How? This whole Exegol Story is way to much over the top and a big plot whole
@@manueinsnoob6558 I'm failing to see the problem that you're trying to push here.
@@jacobberg373 ok in that case I will explain it a bit more: my problem is, that this comic destroyed the whole Star Wars logic
1. What I mentioned earlier: bocks, Rebels and comics say, that the empire had limited resources but obviously that’s false
2. Why would Palpatine even bother with building a slow, expensive, not agile and single super weapon such as the Death Star, when he was able to spend his money why more effective in a whole fleet of mini Death Stars. The whole concept of the second Death Star is ridiculous now. The Plan B argument is a bit weak as well. His plan B would‘ve been way more expensive than his Plan A. If he would‘ve used the money for one project and not both, he would‘ve easily been able to finish his Death Star before the rebel attack
3. Another thing: nobody, not even the highest ranks of the empire knew anything about this fleet. But do you know who knew it? Vader aka Anakin Skywalker. So he knew that there is a almost finished fleet of planet destroying Star destroyers who could easily destroy the new republic and the Jedi but he didn’t thought it’s necessary to tell his some about this Plan. No matter if he is a force ghost or still alive but he could‘ve told Luke. But he didn’t. Why? And even if the emperor wasn’t there to command the ships anymore, his cultists where.
Maybe you see my problem now: this comic destroys the logic of a lot of sources including episode 6. He creates a lot of plot wholes. Oh and because you mentioned it in another comment: no I didn’t searched reasons for disliking the comic I really enjoyed the Vader comics so far
I like the idea of Snoke being purely an evil Luke clone. George always teased the idea of Luke turning to the dark side and I think, symbolically, it’s really cool to have Ben trained by a Jedi master Luke and a kind of fallen Luke.
The praetorians being those guard things is cool.
Body guards would be pretty useless if they just sat around committing themselves to who ever killed their last boss. Do people really have a problem with them fighting Rey and Kylo after they killed Snoke? People will find anything to complain about smh.
Wait what? People didn’t like that the guards fought after Snoke was killed?? Were they supposed to just walk away after their master was dead? People are insane
@@amransom26
Yeah, and the death was swift the guards didn't expect Kylo will ignite the lightsaber. I think killing your boss' murderer is the best response. Oh this guy just killed our boss whose going to pay us come let's kill him.
Reference book say "that they are elite sentinels that stand watch over supreme leader snoke. They are the last line of defence protecting snoke. Ready to destroy any threat that would dare penetrate so deeply into the first order." So by that logic kylo Ren just turned into threat deeply in first order so thay had to attack kylo Ren.
Crazy that people expected them to just swear allegiance to Kylo after murdering Snoke. If they did I'd lose all respect for them. I can picture them in a Seth Green comedy just discussing whether to quit or run over Snoke's fresh carcass lol. Unless they are living up to their namesakes, Praetorians. Praetorians during the early Roman Empire were bad ass & would still fight to the death if the Emperor were slain in front of them. Much later though they became greedy & self serving & would bend a knee to any new Emperor for a raise in pay or bribe. Or even kill the Emperor himself if the other guy bribed well enough.
Thay are loyal to snoke
“Exegol and What Vader Found There” I like the idea of this being a children’s book, like the ABCs of Exegol or something. “A is for Anakin, poor
little Sith Lord... “ lol
I like the idea that Luke fought the first Snoke, but the Perfect Snoke (very human like) but he really died at the hands of Luke, and the Snoke that Ben meets it’s the regular one (the deformed ones) and he is just saying he got desfigured but in fact it’s just and imperfect clone
I've had a similar thought, and that's super pulpy, very fun, and very Star Wars. I love it.
One thing I really love about the new movies is that we get to see a planet like Exegol just rooted in the Dark Side and Sith culture and then we also get to see Ahch-To and the beginning spot of the Jedi. Two very different places that just represent the two sides so well. One of chaos, death, destruction, and darkness, and one of peace, life, renewal, and light. Love some of the seeds of world building in these movies.
The last Jedi visual dictionary says "the origins of the praetorians remain a mystery. The name itself dates back to the 14th atrisian empire of kitel phard." Also says that they are elite sentinels that stand watch over supreme leader snoke. They are the last line of defence protecting snoke. Ready to destroy any threat that would dare penetrate so deeply into the first order. It says with their all enveloping uniforms, there identities are completely concealed.
I believe that the process of healing exgo had already started at the end of the battle as Rey left the planet you could see the sun being shined on the planet perhaps this could start the purification.
This made a great movie even better for me!
Actually Exegol is a proof to me, how better could had been if the First Order was a new faction, instead of a continuation of the Empire. At least a successor to another, such as the Eteral Empire or even the Nihil. For those whose familiar with Warhammer 40k, the First Order could become the Star Wars version of the Dark Eldar (without BDSM of course).
The First Order was another faction. It's just that Sidious took notice and used the First Order to his own advantage by having Snoke use his Force abilities and tactical genius to become the First Order's perfect leader. In Rise of Skywalker, the First Order high command saw their work with the Sith Eternal as merely an alliance despite Sidious being their former Emperor. Only General Pryde served Sidious because he still was close to his former loyalties during the Galactic Empire.
@@ryankwon8785 it's all true. For me my criticism is more about aesthetics instead of the actual difference. Liket think about the Separatists, they are pretty bad faction(by design, explained in-Universe) but they had membreable look.
@@bencebotye3904 I don’t think the First Order and Sith Eternal are wiped out. If you read the Legends’ legacy comics, you will know the direction they are taking: Imperial-Sith War.
man, more reason why I want a TROS extended/directors cut
You'll probably get asked this a bunch, but why wouldn't Anakin tell Luke about Exegol after ROTJ? The ambiguity of Force Ghosts and what their "rules" are makes them interesting, but I also hope we get some consistency with them.
Pretty sure he did, considering that Luke was actually looking for Exegol, and Ochi's disappearance was what ended his search
@@Crilyte I'd be willing to accept that answer if one of the Wayfinders wasn't in his very own castle. I can't imagine he didn't know about that
@@MSnell It could simply be that Luke wasn't "able" to retrieve it for Dark Side/plot reasons, and so his next best bet was to find the only other known, living person who had been there
The idea of purifying the red kyber crystal to heal the planet reminds me of the Vader Immortal story on Mustafar.
Honestly, I prefer Rey being not related to anybody, but I can see Luke's DNA being used to create the son of Palpatine, ergo making Rey kinda like Luke's grand niece?
Well what would that mean for her kiss with Ben...
@@jessetaran7116 omg the story is repeating lol 😂😂
@@jessetaran7116 SWEEET HOOOME AAALABAMA
@@jessetaran7116 It runs on the family.
With Cloning the Skywalker and Palpatine family tree became a mobius strip.
hi Alex, if I remembered correctly Jyn mentioned Project War Mantle along with other code names such as Mark Omega, Pax Aurora and Black Saber, which according to K2SO they are all located in the schematic bank data tower 2 of the citadel tower, in the “structural engineering” file. It sounds like all these code names should be related to engineering/technology researches and construction projects such as super weapons, but Tarkin now revealed in the bad batch that War Mantle is about replacing clones with regular recruits (which is army related stuff). What are your thoughts on this? Is this just a small inconsistency? Coz it doesn’t seem like a lot of people noticed this. If you can make a video of that that’ll be great. Love ur channel.
Ooh, good catch!
Never hurts to have an extra hand when screwing the galaxy, Pal used it to for conducting The Imperial March.. Wilhelm Richard Wagner would have been so proud
I really want a Snoke novel. I think his origin and how he reaches the point where we see him in the movies could be really interesting. Although I wouldn't mind seeing part of his origin in The Mandalorian.
I'd like to see Luke go Super Saiyan fighting Snoke and disfigure him
Maybe we saw Exegol being purified in TROS. When Rey defeated Palpatine the skies cleared and planetary storm ended with the sun emerging. It's just a thought, and I don't know that it's my headcanon yet. But, I could see that.
I have an idea
The New or neo Jedi on exegol
I don't like episode 9, but I'm glad they're clearing up some plot holes and unexplained things from that movie
If Mustafar can be healed, so can Exogol
Of course the hand on exegol could also be a means for future stories featuring a cloned Luke who doesn’t know his own history, sort of like when we first meet Gregor in the clone wars. Just working in obscurity in a diner somewhere waiting to be discovered! Mark Hamil would eat up the chance to play a version of luke again since he was so offended at having a complex and interesting character arc in the last Jedi lol
Exegol is like gold mine.
Wait so disney is not abandoning the sequel trilogy oh my God I can't believe it
No lucasfilm is infact building the era up and fleshing out the concepts of the trilogy.
My headcanon is that Snoke was made from Plagueis.
This whole cloning and DNA subplot that is now heavy in all Palpatine-era new content is precisely why I was loath to see it in RoS. I rolled my eyes when I first heard of it in the EU and now it's become the thru-line in all new stories. Everything is now one giant retcon to get us to a living Palpatine marionette at the end of the sequel trilogy. I didn't like that he was back, and I really don't care how he got there. Would-be interesting characters like Grogu and Omega just serve as plot devices for cloning experiments now. How long until Bad Batch has it's own scene with a Snoke-in-the box? It's the new Death Star explosion for a new generation!
Would’ve been (and can still be) more creepy and Dark Side if it wasn’t just Luke’s hand Sidious had in jars, but also Anakin parts, and corpses and body parts of Jedi hunted or executed by the Clones, the Inquisitors, and Vader over the years. I’m imagining the reveal of a giant lab with like a few tentacle locks of Kit Fisto, an eye of Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi’s scalp, Dooku’s head and body, and a cut lekku of Aayla Secura’s…all recognizable as Jedi parts. Like Sidious was harvesting Jedi for midi-chlorians along with all the Force relics he had for “Dark Science. Cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew.” Imagine if Sidious had this secret program only “true believers” within and beyond the Empire knew about, where Sith Eternal operatives the likes of Ochi of Bestoon, the Acolytes of Beyond, and Gallius Rax were working his ultra secret Dark Side agenda. This is what, after his death, puts into play Operation Cinder, leading to the First Order, all the way through to the Final Order. Maybe? Whatcha think? I have to get the channel’s thoughts on this, so forgive me in advance for the double post to Patreon Q&A. Ha.
Yeah that would be very cool
I love being undernearth Exegol
Thanks, Alex! 🏺
I feel like this comic is a bigger deal that some people think...there's some MAJOR stuff going on here.
The Sith *always* betray one another but I’m sure you’ll learn that soon enough
-Shaak Ti
I know there is very little connection between this and the focus of this video. But I'm intrigued to how The Empire seems to get Limitless Financial Resources without any apparent consequences. I know that Star Wars is not focused on building a completely functional, logical, and interconnected world like other universes are. But as someone who has studied business and finances, I really want to know more about what are some of the consequences for the decisions the Empire made to be able to spend so much money on their military industrial complex
I think a good to get the Maul vs Vader fight would be the downfall of crimson dawn.
I don't think the Kaminoans will get wiped out because Kylo mentions that maybe they should have used Clones instead of people trained from birth to Hux in TFA.
Purifying Exegol would be right up Disney s alley.
Alright this comic fixed MANY things in episode 9
It didn't really fix them it just expanded on ideas and fleshed them out in ways the movie should have done. Like imagine if palpatine had give Rey a tour of exagol and told her it's history and the history of the xiston class ships finally ending with him showing the corrupted kyber mountain as a way to tempt her to the dark side and that's where the final battle of the movie takes place.
@@imperialpower2875 Not to be rude, but that idea does hilarious because it sounds like Palpatine wanting show off his collection to his granddaughter while recounting long stories about why he has them. But that sounds more like an exposition dump to explain stuff that I feel doesn't need explaining with the movie itself
I like the idea of Luke’s hand being use for cloning, that way Rey would be related to Luke without being his direct daughter and make her a genuine Skywalker, thus the line wouldn’t be dead like it seemed at the end of TROS which was one my main problems with the film. It would also make her struggle between the light and dark more meaningful as she has a Skywalker and Palpatine side within her. Only con is that it would make the kiss with Ben on Exegol even more awkward.
Thanks for the video
Who could forget Luuuuuuuke
Did you guys think That Exegol could appear in Future High Republic stories
Exegol to me is interesting by that it is a secret sith stronghold. Great video
It is absolutely possible that the Snoke that was disfigured by Luke is not the same Snoke that Kylo kills. Or even the same Snoke that was in TFA. It would be a fun reason for the minor character design changes between VII & VIII.
If Palpatine used the hand in the creation of his... clone-son(?), then technically Rey does have a blood connection to the Skywalker line. (Not saying it's good or bad, just pointing it out.)
1:31-1:44
I’m this close to making a DBZ Abridged reference right about now
You don't need to justify the Praetorians attacking Kylo. If someone shoots the president the Secret Service don't get the day off or make the assassin President.
What manufacturer constructing the Xyston Star destroyers prior to Kuat-Entralla? Was it Kuat Systems Engineering?
Love or hate The Rise of Skywalker, Exegol was a highlight
Can't wait for the next Darth Vader comic.
If the Old Republic were to be brought into the new canon, Exegol would fit in like a glove.
Interesting to see this. But weird to see the xyston in the imperial era. When the empire struggled quite a bit just for the first and second Death Star. Then creates a much smaller xyston. Ik it’s sith but still.
Sidious is a guy who loves scheming and being in danger. He is shown to have a love for machines and weapons of mass destruction. It is similar to how Valkorion (Tenebrae) relied on Sky Trooper droids to be his soldiers over actual human conscripts. Machines are loyal and do not betray their masters unless they are given sentience like R2 and C3PO. Also, the Xyston Star Destroyers were probably planned to be used as a backup navy for the Sith's plans. However, unlike the Death Star, the Xyston Star Destroyers can be easily destroyed compared to a normal star destroyer as shooting is axial superlaser can cause the energy to blow up and destroy the entire ship itself.
I need to read this series I think. I definitely need to pick and choose my comics, there’s just so many and not enough time or money to read them all. I wonder if this will be released as a standalone complete all-in-one set for download or purchase at my local comic shop (when the pandemic lockdowns lift).
It had to make sense that those ships had been built decades ago otherwise they would of had to have, a new design. But why the question is, did palpatine was to destroy the Republic, create the empire, destroy it on purpose to make an even greater empire
He only destroyed his empire after his death because he had desire to see someone else rule the galaxy that wasn't him. He wished to purge the Empire of all elements that he saw as a weakness and to create a new better Empire that would reign for eternity with him as its god-emperor.
Honestly, I think Exogol would be better if it, and it's kyber was always corrupted by the Dark side. If a nexus was at the heart of the planet, the crystals would have grown and fed off of the dark side and not need bleeding. I like that idea much better than the crystals all starting out good and being bled. There are things and people that have never been in the light, and purifying them would be as unnatural as bleeding a regular crystal.
"Undernearth" typo in title card.
I would love to see the bleeding of the kyber 'mountain' (maybe in the time of the High Republic while the Sith were in hiding or further back in the Old Republic).
As much as I love Dragonball z I don't want Dragonball z logic in star wars LOL.
Your right. The the only Anime that needs its logic injected into Star Wars is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
The idea that Snoke was created from the cells of the most powerful force sensitive beings: Anakin, Luke, and hell maybe even Palpatine and still manages to get smoked by bad writing is just typical of Disney.
Treachery is the way of the sith!
haha the thumbnail says "undernearth"
Awesome Vid
My biggest question is how did Palpatine end up with Luke’s hand but not the Lightsaber that fell with it?
If only the vader comic was also a mini series on disney plus.... are was deemed either fully canon or "this is just for fun" head canon
Making a Luke clone is out of place for star wars???? They literally made an entire Clone Army. I don't think its out of place for Palpatine to try to clone the Skywalker DNA cloning at all...I mean it seems to be that cloning was backbone of most of Palpatines planes.
I think Palpatine created his clone by using the hand of Luke Skywalker and then his clone got a daughter named Rey - still having the Skywalker Blood in her. And because of this Luke's lightsaber called to her. And because of this she had the force connection with Kylo. And because of this she was from the very beginning a fine pilot when she used the Falcon to escape from Jakku. Change my Mind ! :-)
The filthy stench of betrayal and nothing mattering in the end?
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I think it just doesn’t make sense that Palpatine was able to build a fleet of planet-destroying ships while also building the imperial fleet and the second Death Star. In the former Vader Comic Series, Rebels and in the Thrawn triology we learn that there where big struggles between the imperial ranks how to use the limited resources of the empire effectively. We see that Thrawn, Krennik and other members fighting over the recourses to realize their projects. Thrawn his Tie defenders, Tarkin the Death Star and that other dude from the comics the super star destroyers. But while the empire is not able to realize all this very powerful projects, Palpatine can build a fleet of over hundert mini Death Star ships? That destroyed the whole plot of former story’s. Where did Palpatine got the money and materials for the fleet? This whole Exegol plot is a big plot whole and way to over the top
Palpatine is literally can do anything that he wants and above all that infighting in the ranks. He's the Emperor thus he can shift resources and money where ever he wants to go because just things are nothing to him. Also, the Sith Fleet was obviously just starting to be constructed because they lacked their planet-killing cannons and it still took over thirty years to finally finish it, which was probably a result of the collapse of the Galactic Empire.
Lukes hand? that fell down a vent shaft?? not Maces hand? that fell to the floor in Palpatines office...
stuff like this is why I have a love/hate relationship with EU materials. The movies should not be using their side material as a get out of jail free card, I hate when someone "The Prequels are good if you watch the Clone Wars." Yes, movies are good if you watch a Tv show, they can't stand on their own.
The prequels can stand in their own tbh, but the Clone Wars expands on those ideas and give us us detailed context, which is what it is supposed to do
@@StarNameKev If the Prequels can stand on their own, then so does the Sequels stand strong as well in my opinion.
Undernearth Erxergol? Vrery intrerersting.
Luke's DNA used to create Snoke might explain why Snoke liked yellow so much
How so?
@@bastardoftheforce1546 That was kind aof a joke, but did you forget the yellow jacket he wore at the end of IV ?
@@leow193 oh yeah
you should really be crediting all the artists whose work you’re using for this video!! you mention Greg Pak who wrote the comic but not who drew it!!
Snoke was wasted in TLJ. But making him a clone was the nail in the coffin. Somehow I just don’t care anymore, shame.
It's a real shame, because they built him up so much in the Aftermath trilogy, only to pull the rug out on the whole "The Emperor senses something in the Unknown Regions calling to him". Turns out, the thing in the UR calling out is.... Palpatine.
I don’t think he was wasted. He served his purpose in the story, which was to serve Kylo’s character arc. I prefer they didn’t spend a bunch of time in the movie trying to explain what the deal with emperor 2.0 was. We didn’t need some elaborate explanation for the emperor in the OT, which as best since Vader, like Kylo, was the focus in those movies. And I was glad they cleared out that familiar dynamic so that Kylo could be the leading villain in 9. Of course, they messed that last part up by bring back Palpatine. But the moment when Kylo kills Snoke will always be one of my favorites in the series though.
The clone thing is definitely a bummer though. While I’m glad they didn’t bog down the movie with exposition on the emperor figure in 8, a book could have been interesting. But it’s hard to care about Snoke when there’s a bag full of them.
Snoke was never meant to be some big villain with a long complicated history he was just meant to be a hurdle for Kylo Ren to overcome in his rise to power. Kylo Ren was supposed to be the main antagonist one without a traditional redemption arc and one who died the villain. Had the trilogy been completed properly with Colin trevorrows episode 9 Ren would have had s complete rise and fall arc but instead JJ gave us a half-assed redemption arc and ruined the character.
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I agree that there needs to be answers about Snoke. After episode seven, the conjecture was fun. Eight didn't really tell us much and neither did nine. Does Snoke have any free will of his own? Is he only a meat puppet? You can't just leave everyone hanging.
If that severed hand were from Luke's and mixed with Palp's DNA to make a clone son of Palpatine, that means Rey could be related to Kylo and they kissed on Exegol. Leia kissed Luke once.
It's like poetry... It rhymes.
Hello there
General Kenobi
You are a bold one
Whose your favorite clone?
So if Palpatine gave Snoke as a master to Kylo as a test, to see if he would kill that master. Does that break the Rule of 2?
Oh come on Kylo Ren is not a sith Palpatine just wanted to use Ren to do his biding and then destroy Ren after
2:43 "Snoke was like a test, to see if Kylo was worthy of becoming a Sith."
We all know Kylo is not a Sith
What if Snoke is just a poorly made Luuke?
“Undernearth Exegol”
I. Was. Right.
He does found the star destroyers.
All of the comics should just be legends. They muddy the waters too much
I prefer when used my hand to make a clone of me its a better concept
Palpatine is considered the most powerful individual at that time. But how could Vader just threw him in the reactor shaft in ROTJ?
With his arms.
Surprise & a complete disregard for self-preservation XD
couldn't it be anakin's hand too?
Omega is snoke confirmed jajajajaja
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