When you first deviated from the original design for the cockpit, I was not impressed. I thought that was a big mistake. However, as the build progressed I gradually came around to your way of thinking. And now I see Wave Rover in action, I am completely convinced you were right. By covering the area that would have been an open cockpit you have greatly increased the strength of the boat. You have also added loads of useful storage space. And you have made it so that any water that comes over in rough seas will simply run straight off. She is not a luxury cruiser, but she looks to be perfect for your requirements. Well done, you and your team of helpers (including the architect, and most important of all, Mrs Rover).
Good to see Andy out on the boat finally; just surprised he didn't do a stability test while he was there. As a fellow naval architect I have known Andy professionally for several decades, so I have been following your your channel to see how this design would turn out. It certainly is strong enough and a with twin bilge keels and skeg I am sure it tracks well. Looking forward to see an ocean crossing.
It's so interesting that before you talked about the foot well in the cockpit, I had been thinking, about 30 seconds before you talked about it. "You've proven that you don't need a foot well to have a functional offshore sailing vessel." About the only thing I would say that you could add is a small winch for the main halyard. It looked like it took a lot of effort to get the sail fully deployed. I love watching your adventures with Wave Rover II and wish you the very best of luck (fair winds and following seas)!
Awesome video Alan! Great to finally see Andy in person and to hear his impressions of the boat. Interesting that he made some of the same comments I did....she feels like a 30-footer for sure and is very well-behaved!
I could sense his enjoyment I also sensed he was thinking racing . I don't know about a cock pit version. You have that solar arch I'd build up from a little foward . Keep going thank you.
Nice summary review several months out with the designer's chance to sail Wave Rover. Also glad that you break up your travels to join up with Mrs Rover. I noticed that when you were in Wver Rover 1.
Im no NA but I play one at home, much to the consternation of my wife and whoever I have on my boat, so I feel confident in saying that its impressive in the ratio of apparent wind to boat speed through the water. Also the approach to and maintenance of near hull speed in light wind is amazing. Also the fore aft balance/rudder dynamic/ sail effort appears to be right on. Serendipity, I think.
Thanks for the update. It was great to get Andy’s first hand impressions and hearing the sound of the wake at the stern was delightful. Design tweaks are inevitable as the shakedown phase of your cruise continues but glad that nothing major wants addressing. Hold Fast! ⛵️🇨🇦😀
You and Andy designed a beautiful vessel! And I learned (another) new word "gunk holing" had to google it and now I know! Can't wait to see the video of the Junk Rig Festival lol 🎈
Fantastic job on this boat Mr. Rover! It would be great to see some more details that were described during the build but not yet gone over such as the watertight bulkhead (is there a door?) and how the hatch is dogged. Great channel!
And for the cockpit. I kind of like it the way it is. Gives you more room below too. Maybe extend the seat forward a little. And for serious off shore work, that’s a pretty bulletproof arrangement. I like it. Very strong and water resistant.
Very nice boat. Really more like amazing. There are indeed 2 concerns that I would have. One may be more the Mark lll and not the boat but you should be able to sail down wind in 25-35 and self steer with no problem. And heaving to shouldn’t have to be considered until over 40. On the trade wind routes not unusual to have 25-35 with intensified trades for days. Self steering critical. One thing that I mentioned before was perhaple add a little more “balance” on the sail (increase leading edge more) she seems very well balanced iin light airs but you seemed to be having trouble on heavier winds. The other is as you mentioned, ventilation. This is critical in the tropics. I lived aboard and cruised the tropics for years. A midship hatch would definitely help. Also maybe some opening ports for cross ventilation. Currents get you somewhat athwart the wind when anchored. A wind scoop would help here too. My boat had 15 opening ports and 5 hatches, a 44’ center cockpit cutter. Yes a different animal. But ventilation critical. Also for me, shade in the cockpit critical. Skin cancer no fun at all. I know all too well. In northern latitudes this stuff not so critical. But other than these 2 items. I would go long range cruising in this boat in an instant. Well done!
Congrats on the positive expert feedback! Those modifications would all still seem to be doable? Would you consider adding a small hatch and extending the railing? Also as a landlubber - it seems like you would spend a lot of time on those seats - are there better and more comfortable designs? Or does the current meet all needs and expectations...
Must be great for an architect to see his design in action, and good to see designer and builder in so much agreement. Are twin keels supposed to be inherently less good at tracking?
I'd love to see a scaled up version of his concept. Maybe 30' or even 35'. Something that a couple could comfortably voyage on with occasional visits from the kids.
I really like the decked over cockpit and hatch on WR2. It will allow any sea that breaks to easily clear. Maybe a small recess of 2-3" would keep donations of tools, phones and beverages from going into the big blue tool locker 😂. I personally would put a better latch system on the hatch but I like the hatch nonetheless. For an offshore solo sailor I think the deck and hatch should be part of that model. For a family weekend cruiser, it might be an interesting setup to have a kids cabin aft with the deck being so high. One other solo suggestion is to have either a fixed or removable winch. I noticed it takes a fair bit of effort on your part to raise the sail. In an ocean crossing with the possibility of having a shoulder/arm/hand injured in rough weather, a winch would be a pleasant "in case" to have. I don't mean these as criticism either. WR2 is such a fantastic design and build. Well done!
Personally I would like a small cockpit if it were mine with an option to cover it to throw water off in bad weather. I feel a cockpit is safer than sitting in the stanchions. Another thing I'd like would be a spray tent over the cabin hatch and some means to hold the hatch open. I wouldn't want the hatch being caught in a gust and slamming on my head.
Have you ever considered installing a winch to aid you in raising (or even a controlled lowering of) the mainsail? I could see how that would be a critical asset as a solo sailor if you were ever injured or even just tired. Thoughts?
Hi Alan. Are you saying the trim tab bearings are not satisfactory in some way? It sounds as if it's not pivoting smoothly. Have I understood you correctly?
I loved your video, and loved your boat. I am a complete novice and would really love to learn to sail and eventually "frorge my own adventures" my question would is can I learn to sail with a boat like this as a complete novice, or should I learn with more traditional boat configurations with a main and a jib sail type of setup. Thanks for your advice in advance.
@@RoversAdventure thanks for your reply I appreciate it. I can't wait to see your crossing of the Atlantic. Is the video up yet? If some one want to build wave rover 2 where would I start?
I’m just catching up and binging all the series, I’m curious though, has anyone completed their own rave rovers and have they shown you any modifications or any ways they have deviated from the original designs or have they all went with the same sails and followed exactly.
It's just ao unique looking like the cyber truck. I honestly can't stop thinking about it. There's likely so much interest and solo ocean crossers are growing. I doubt it would be a bad idea to start production on them. Most people easily sink 20k into refitting a boat to cross oceans. Know must of your proceed where in usd. I'm wondering how much total in Canadian dollars you would price tag it to start production in them. Completed ready for water? If you where to build and sell them completed.
@SailingWaveRover Sea cadets was a looong time ago 😆 Now I've got to Google up "dorade". I'm always learning watching what you and Wave Rover II are up to, Mr. Mulholland!
She looks so relaxed in the water. Would it be possible to fit a Wave Rover 650 with a more traditional rig with a jib and mainsail or even a spinnaker?
But why would you? You'd only gain a slightly better windward performance, at the cost of complexity and expenses (more things that can break and need maintenance). I'd read up on the junk rig if I were you, it's perfect for a boat like this :)
@@prof.heinous191 I definitely had to look it up. Sounded like word salad to me, but the old google machine knew just what I was asking about even though I spelled it wrong.
You have a great boat . I would sure like you to explain the reason for the junk rig. It seems under power. Why didn't you go with a standard sail plan?
You can design a junk rig to be as over/under canvassed as you like. They're often over canvassed for better light wind performance, because they're so quick and easy to reef anyway. It's a rig with plenty of advantages and few disadvantages. Except for racing, I'd pick junk rig over the Bermuda rig. It's especially suitable for cruising. Have a look at Junk Rig Association, there's a lot of free resources there.
Flat cut - agree, as you mostly go downwind. Junk rig - interesting, easy to reef but extra weight high up in big waves? Wide aft - also interesting, extra space but broaching in high sea?
Looks like you are perched on top of the boat rather than in it. Are you confident at sea in this position? Any thoughts of moving to a conventional sail rig. It just looks too delicate.
I would also like to know more about your decision to go with a monohull. Seems like the small wharrams accomplish some of the same objectives as wr2... simplicity, safety, low maintenance. @@RoversAdventure
Lol...I don't think my wife would like that method too much!! No offense! I could just see that scenario unfold. Wife: I have to go. Me: Hand her bucket Wife: The LOOK... Me: Permanently wearing bucket on my head....
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In real time, I have taken 3 different Naval Architects out for a sail and all three are in agreement on her performance.
Is it possible to add a Jib to the rig the way it is now? Thanks and love the channel.
The boat is a beauty ! A testament to Andy's skill as a naval architect.
I'll make sure he sees this comment
I love this boat
Keep on pressing.
When I grow up I want be like you .
Fair winds. 🤝
You made me smile.
@@RoversAdventure That was the point.
Bring happiness, joy, laughter.
Every new design takes time to reveal its talents and compromises. What an honest, thoughtful review. Congratulations on making this dream come alive!
Thank you very much!
When you first deviated from the original design for the cockpit, I was not impressed. I thought that was a big mistake. However, as the build progressed I gradually came around to your way of thinking. And now I see Wave Rover in action, I am completely convinced you were right. By covering the area that would have been an open cockpit you have greatly increased the strength of the boat. You have also added loads of useful storage space. And you have made it so that any water that comes over in rough seas will simply run straight off. She is not a luxury cruiser, but she looks to be perfect for your requirements. Well done, you and your team of helpers (including the architect, and most important of all, Mrs Rover).
Thanks. I really appreciate you saying so but also for sticking with the channel despite your initial thinking.
Great to see the man who designed the WR plans with the man who executed those plans. Alan, thanks for sharing the WR2 build from concept to reality.
Thanks Ray, next summer, I'll be getting you out for a sail.
Looking forward to it Alan.
This was a very relaxing video. The gurgling wake while sailing is what I love most about sailing.
Wonderful!
Good to see Andy out on the boat finally; just surprised he didn't do a stability test while he was there. As a fellow naval architect I have known Andy professionally for several decades, so I have been following your your channel to see how this design would turn out. It certainly is strong enough and a with twin bilge keels and skeg I am sure it tracks well. Looking forward to see an ocean crossing.
Thanks Malcolm. Ocean crossing coming next year.
It's so interesting that before you talked about the foot well in the cockpit, I had been thinking, about 30 seconds before you talked about it. "You've proven that you don't need a foot well to have a functional offshore sailing vessel." About the only thing I would say that you could add is a small winch for the main halyard. It looked like it took a lot of effort to get the sail fully deployed.
I love watching your adventures with Wave Rover II and wish you the very best of luck (fair winds and following seas)!
Was she ever in doubt? I would love a boat like that as my first one. Loving that sail, just perfect.👌🏻🏴
Thanks
Awesome video Alan!
Great to finally see Andy in person and to hear his impressions of the boat. Interesting that he made some of the same comments I did....she feels like a 30-footer for sure and is very well-behaved!
You are one of the 3 Naval Architects that I refer to in my comment
I could sense his enjoyment I also sensed he was thinking racing . I don't know about a cock pit version. You have that solar arch I'd build up from a little foward . Keep going thank you.
Nice summary review several months out with the designer's chance to sail Wave Rover.
Also glad that you break up your travels to join up with Mrs Rover. I noticed that when you were in Wver Rover 1.
Thanks!
Awesome and it was nice to see my old sailing grounds, grew up on Bear Creek, lived un Dundalk during my informative years.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
i am always impressed with how easy wave rover is to handle. may swordfish back in the day was harder to deal with
Love his use of the word "gust". We here in Lake Michigan call them "puffs"!
lol
Welcome to B'more. Sorry bout the cold.
It was bound to happen sooner or later.
Im no NA but I play one at home, much to the consternation of my wife and whoever I have on my boat, so I feel confident in saying that its impressive in the ratio of apparent wind to boat speed through the water. Also the approach to and maintenance of near hull speed in light wind is amazing.
Also the fore aft balance/rudder dynamic/ sail effort appears to be right on. Serendipity, I think.
Lol, "I'm no NA but I play one at home" ...we all do!
Thanks for the update. It was great to get Andy’s first hand impressions and hearing the sound of the wake at the stern was delightful. Design tweaks are inevitable as the shakedown phase of your cruise continues but glad that nothing major wants addressing. Hold Fast! ⛵️🇨🇦😀
Glad you enjoyed it
You and Andy designed a beautiful vessel! And I learned (another) new word "gunk holing" had to google it and now I know! Can't wait to see the video of the Junk Rig Festival lol 🎈
Thanks Linda
Great work Alan!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
such a great small boat and the junk sail is perfect and so easy to handle!
It really is!
More and more interesting. Keep up the good work
More to come!
Fantastic job on this boat Mr. Rover! It would be great to see some more details that were described during the build but not yet gone over such as the watertight bulkhead (is there a door?) and how the hatch is dogged. Great channel!
I will do a boat tour after her mini refit (quite a few week down the road)
And for the cockpit. I kind of like it the way it is. Gives you more room below too. Maybe extend the seat forward a little. And for serious off shore work, that’s a pretty bulletproof arrangement. I like it. Very strong and water resistant.
Very nice boat. Really more like amazing. There are indeed 2 concerns that I would have. One may be more the Mark lll and not the boat but you should be able to sail down wind in 25-35 and self steer with no problem. And heaving to shouldn’t have to be considered until over 40. On the trade wind routes not unusual to have 25-35 with intensified trades for days. Self steering critical. One thing that I mentioned before was perhaple add a little more “balance” on the sail (increase leading edge more) she seems very well balanced iin light airs but you seemed to be having trouble on heavier winds.
The other is as you mentioned, ventilation. This is critical in the tropics. I lived aboard and cruised the tropics for years. A midship hatch would definitely help. Also maybe some opening ports for cross ventilation. Currents get you somewhat athwart the wind when anchored. A wind scoop would help here too. My boat had 15 opening ports and 5 hatches, a 44’ center cockpit cutter. Yes a different animal. But ventilation critical. Also for me, shade in the cockpit critical. Skin cancer no fun at all. I know all too well. In northern latitudes this stuff not so critical. But other than these 2 items. I would go long range cruising in this boat in an instant. Well done!
Congrats on the positive expert feedback! Those modifications would all still seem to be doable? Would you consider adding a small hatch and extending the railing? Also as a landlubber - it seems like you would spend a lot of time on those seats - are there better and more comfortable designs? Or does the current meet all needs and expectations...
I'm happy with the arrangements as they are. I want to be sailing rather than refitting, so I won't be making too many changes.
Must be great for an architect to see his design in action, and good to see designer and builder in so much agreement. Are twin keels supposed to be inherently less good at tracking?
We were operating on the theory that they would track better, and it seems to be working
Cant wait for the trans Atlantic !
Coming early this summer
I'd love to see a scaled up version of his concept. Maybe 30' or even 35'. Something that a couple could comfortably voyage on with occasional visits from the kids.
Maybe one day
Beautiful
Thank you! Cheers!
I really like the decked over cockpit and hatch on WR2. It will allow any sea that breaks to easily clear. Maybe a small recess of 2-3" would keep donations of tools, phones and beverages from going into the big blue tool locker 😂. I personally would put a better latch system on the hatch but I like the hatch nonetheless. For an offshore solo sailor I think the deck and hatch should be part of that model. For a family weekend cruiser, it might be an interesting setup to have a kids cabin aft with the deck being so high.
One other solo suggestion is to have either a fixed or removable winch. I noticed it takes a fair bit of effort on your part to raise the sail. In an ocean crossing with the possibility of having a shoulder/arm/hand injured in rough weather, a winch would be a pleasant "in case" to have. I don't mean these as criticism either. WR2 is such a fantastic design and build. Well done!
All good suggestions. 👍
Personally I would like a small cockpit if it were mine with an option to cover it to throw water off in bad weather. I feel a cockpit is safer than sitting in the stanchions. Another thing I'd like would be a spray tent over the cabin hatch and some means to hold the hatch open. I wouldn't want the hatch being caught in a gust and slamming on my head.
These are simple changes that the individual builders can do or not, depending on their preferences.
Alan how about a net made of webbing between the stern rail and the cabin? Also, have you considered a small canvas dodger to protect the main hatch?
These are all good ideas.
A lifeline along the cabin top might be nice in rough weather
Definitely! And I do have some white webbing that I tie into running along the top of the cabin
@@RoversAdventure good to hear I'd hate for you to have a close call out there
The most interesting 21foot sailboat on youtube.
She'd be a great Bras D'or Lakes cruiser. 😊
Absolutely and I want to do that
Merci!
Thank you so very much
thx
Have you ever considered installing a winch to aid you in raising (or even a controlled lowering of) the mainsail? I could see how that would be a critical asset as a solo sailor if you were ever injured or even just tired. Thoughts?
It's really not that hard. I hadn't loosened the yard parrel before hoisting in this video (rookie mistake).
Hi Alan. Are you saying the trim tab bearings are not satisfactory in some way? It sounds as if it's not pivoting smoothly. Have I understood you correctly?
No, the bearings are perfect if you follow the plans. I unfortunately didn't follow my own plans and now I have to change them to the original design.
OK. Thanks Alan! @@RoversAdventure
I loved your video, and loved your boat. I am a complete novice and would really love to learn to sail and eventually "frorge my own adventures" my question would is can I learn to sail with a boat like this as a complete novice, or should I learn with more traditional boat configurations with a main and a jib sail type of setup. Thanks for your advice in advance.
I wished Wave Rover 2 was my first boat. It is the simplest and easiest boat I have ever sailed.
@@RoversAdventure thanks for your reply I appreciate it. I can't wait to see your crossing of the Atlantic. Is the video up yet? If some one want to build wave rover 2 where would I start?
Man..the tennis arm that you two must have gotten from clapping your own shoulders..😂
Lol
I’m just catching up and binging all the series, I’m curious though, has anyone completed their own rave rovers and have they shown you any modifications or any ways they have deviated from the original designs or have they all went with the same sails and followed exactly.
I've not kept up with them due to my sailing schedule and not so reliable internet.
It's just ao unique looking like the cyber truck. I honestly can't stop thinking about it.
There's likely so much interest and solo ocean crossers are growing.
I doubt it would be a bad idea to start production on them. Most people easily sink 20k into refitting a boat to cross oceans. Know must of your proceed where in usd.
I'm wondering how much total in Canadian dollars you would price tag it to start production in them. Completed ready for water? If you where to build and sell them completed.
@@Ready4pressure I'm planning on releasing a new set of plans before Christmas with all the improvements.
Skipper, could you cut in that small forward hatch before you hit those warmer climes?
Or a dorade.
@SailingWaveRover Sea cadets was a looong time ago 😆 Now I've got to Google up "dorade". I'm always learning watching what you and Wave Rover II are up to, Mr. Mulholland!
She looks so relaxed in the water. Would it be possible to fit a Wave Rover 650 with a more traditional rig with a jib and mainsail or even a spinnaker?
Absolutely. Andy could figure that out pretty easily.
But why would you? You'd only gain a slightly better windward performance, at the cost of complexity and expenses (more things that can break and need maintenance). I'd read up on the junk rig if I were you, it's perfect for a boat like this :)
13:06. May i ask what you mean by a Sharpie style hull?
The flat bottom of the sharpie designs
Learned a new word today: Gunkholing
I've got a good idea, but I'm reaching for the dictionary!
@@prof.heinous191 I definitely had to look it up. Sounded like word salad to me, but the old google machine knew just what I was asking about even though I spelled it wrong.
I knew the word get out. Thanks
You have a great boat . I would sure like you to explain the reason for the junk rig. It seems under power. Why didn't you go with a standard sail plan?
I chose the Junk for it's easy reefing and simplicity. These are a priority for me as a solo sailor, especially for offshore voyaging.
You can design a junk rig to be as over/under canvassed as you like. They're often over canvassed for better light wind performance, because they're so quick and easy to reef anyway. It's a rig with plenty of advantages and few disadvantages. Except for racing, I'd pick junk rig over the Bermuda rig. It's especially suitable for cruising. Have a look at Junk Rig Association, there's a lot of free resources there.
Do you think that the same basic design would work for a boat some 10 to 12 feet longer?
I think that she would need 2 masts but I'm no Naval Architect.
Flat cut - agree, as you mostly go downwind. Junk rig - interesting, easy to reef but extra weight high up in big waves? Wide aft - also interesting, extra space but broaching in high sea?
Maybe a little more wait at the top... but I believe the mast is shorter than a stayed bermuda rig.
The mast is much shorter than a comparable sloop
Neither has been an issue
Also - less windage (no standing rigging) which in turn means less wind noise.
Looks like you are perched on top of the boat rather than in it. Are you confident at sea in this position? Any thoughts of moving to a conventional sail rig. It just looks too delicate.
In the next few weeks you will see her sailing in conditions where 3x 40 footers chose to stay at anchor and I felt very comfortable and safe!
Why not fit a ladder - to be able to get back onboard from the sea?
It's on the list
Ok, ok, I'll accept responsibility for not building the stern pushpit right....lol
Lol
Can you compare Wave Rover to Wharram? Thanks!
Yes I can, I'll try to find some time to do that. Thanks for mentioning it.
I would also like to know more about your decision to go with a monohull. Seems like the small wharrams accomplish some of the same objectives as wr2... simplicity, safety, low maintenance. @@RoversAdventure
You mentioned the weight a couple of times. How much do you think it weighs?
I believe she weighs 3200lbs empty
Is there enough room in this design to incorporate a head? At least a toilet and gravity fed sink?
Plenty of room up forward for a head. I just use a bucket.
Lol...I don't think my wife would like that method too much!! No offense! I could just see that scenario unfold. Wife: I have to go. Me: Hand her bucket Wife: The LOOK... Me: Permanently wearing bucket on my head....
What is the angle of vanishing stability the way you have it loaded?
119.88 degrees.
@@bumblebeervparkandcampgrou1883 That's so precise!
How do you know this? Is it on the plans?@@bumblebeervparkandcampgrou1883
I really like this boat, and am considering building one myself. Can you give me an estimate of what it cost to build?
Stay tuned. In about 10 days, a video will come out with costs