It’s mainly for one reason if qui gon lives he becomes more of a father figure for anakin as opposed to palpatine becoming the father figure with obi wan as his brother
I like how there's a parallel to Return of the Jedi, where Dooku gets redemption at the hands of his metaphorical son during his last battle, but the son is the only one to witness the redemption and carry on their legacy.
I swear they get better the more you create these! Obi-Wan's death by Maul was heartbreaking, yet at least Anakin can continue the legacies left behind by not only him but Qui-Gon and Dooku's deaths.
In Palpatine going down in history as a martyr for the Republic and Anakin taking the horrid truth to his grave, I also note echoes of a Father Brown story where Father Brown decides that he and Flambeau will take the horrid truth about a supposed hero (actually a villain long since brought to justice on another continent) to their graves because the legend about him will inspire people to be better than they might have been, and none of the monuments carry any wrongful blame against any innocent party (wrongful blame would have required publicizing the truth).
"Dooku's plans"? Didn't Dooku only leave the order and turn to the darkside after Qui-Gon's death? Why would he join Sideous if his favourite apprentis survived.
I think it wouldn't stop his way, Dooku doesn't look like mad man, he obviously went to the dark path to discover new abilities, at leadt it was one of the reasons
The only issue I see with this is that canonically, Plageuis even believed that 1 on 1, Dooku would defeat Palpatine in a duel. Add in Qui-Gon and I'd say it would be safe to consider Sidious as good as gone in that duel
@@666blaziken Which is why a story where Palpatine realizes he's outmatched by Dooku and instead manages to kill Qui-Gon and escape, leaving Dooku to train Anakin makes far more sense
@@666blaziken And this is the exact same reason why people dislike the prequel’s because Anakin turns to the Darkside and Quaggin isn’t there to stop him and be the father for him. This video should have been the actual timeline from episodes 1 to 3 and at least for the prequel’s, or this would be way better make the prequel’s a lot better and everybody’s opinion, including mine and yours
I mean... Maybe? It's not like Plagueius had fought Dooku. Plus Palpatine was hiding a lot of his power from his Master. Let us not also forget that Plagueius will and has lied.
There's a minor problem with this. No way would Palpatine go this long without an apprentice. And since he could simply go back to Dathomir to pick up another apprentice where he originally got Maul from anytime he wanted, he would have easily had another Sith doing assassin dirty work for him. In fact, he may have picked up Asajj Ventress. In the original story line, she would have become quite powerful if Sidious didn't make Dooku kill her. So, if she was his apprentice, by this time her power would have been great. A shame you didn't integrate that. But no way would he be slinking around doing all this himself when he's part of the Senate. He definitely would have found someone to do these assassin parts for him.
Palpatine needed a politician who was sith to play the role of the CIS leader so the jedi order think that the CIS is the new dark sith faction and they enter the war.
Not to dismiss your argument about Asajj Ventress being the next apprentice of the Sith. But Sidious needed someone who can lure politicians and other forces to the cause willingly unfortunately Asajj wouldn’t be good for that because if Sidious would take her in place, Ventress was not good around politics. She would rather use force and bring fear than persuasion. She can use fear to keep the Trade Federation in line however her actions would cause the politicians react against Sidious and they would threaten to spread leaks and cause to damage to Sidious’s plans if Asajj was not respecting them. As he tries to straighten her out, she would get more enraged within the dark side and her actions would cause the Separatists and politicians to break off and expose his plans to the Senate. Sidious could bring other bounty hunters (mostly Cad Bane) who have experience with working for Separatists to keep her in check. Still Asajj doesn’t play well with others and hates being in check. She would feel that she’s not trustworthy and that she’s not worthy of the Sith and she would destroy Sidious’s plans and expose Sidious before the war could begin. That would make her a liability and Sidious would have to kill her. However she can escape him by going to her home planet of Dathomir and he can’t go after her because he’s terrified of that world and of Mother Talzin. As fantastic as Asajj Ventress is, Sidious wouldn’t bring her as his apprentice because she will be another problem that he can’t handle and she’ll take everything away from Sidious within a snap 🫰. Admittedly Sidious could instead ask Mother Tanzin for another Maul (Savage Oppress) in case if he couldn’t get Asajj but he would not be cunning or intriguing as Sidious would expect. Hence why he would not find anyone close or better than Count Dooku. But I do think that Asajj would be a greater Sith if Sidious took time with her. However we all know how stubborn he is and he won’t care about sharing his time to his apprentices but that’s my opinion.
@@TheHighborn i think the fact he was tired after sidious fight. I would have anakin escape and the what if begins from there. No order 66 but a pissed off anakin and the jedi are after him
That’s not true you don’t need to train a padawan to knighthood that’s just the easiest way to become a Jedi master they do have Jedi trials to become a master just like becoming a knight
this is what i think would’ve happended: anakin sees qui-gon as a father not a brother like he did with obi-wan, qui-gon doesnt believe in politics so palpatines plans fail
I like this story, it's very interesting. How much impact Obi wan's potential death in duel of the fates would have on the Galaxy. That and his death would also mean considering if it's this scenario that General Grievous would never be born from a certain point of view.
@@ChampionOfDorkwallplagueis was already usurped at this point considering Sidious had only told him that he had been training Maul as an assassin, yet he had been training him as a full on apprentice right under plagueis' nose.
oh the star wars galaxy best what if man ever really also add what if anakin killed in attack of the clones and then as the clone wars goes on he goes help ahsoka kill or capture maul and then go to take down grievous killing two birds with one stone also what if anakin stayed on mortis along with many more its up too you keep it up man
I actually really like that he kept his little mess up because it’s so hard to do this it’s like crazy and to only have that little mistakes is crazy so that’s very impressive!!!
I really like this fan fiction video, one problem though would be that when Dooku went to the funeral instead of meeting his master in the works, Palpitine was at the funeral as well so he would have known that dooku was there and not on Coruscant
Great video and I always though had Qui-Gon had survived and lived to train Anakin himself, events would have gone completely differently as Anakin would have an entirely different type of Jedi, much less susceptible to corruption or Sidious influence. Plus more importantly as you say he would a massive infleunce on Dooku and quite probably able to redeem him from the dark side, basically sending Sidious plans up the river without a paddle, before they even begun.
I really like this video, you obviously put a lot of work and effort into it. And I agree with almost all the changes you put forward. One small observation though, you mentioned, Aniken was as strong as any Jedi master specifically, with a light sabre during the events of Camino, however, as powerful as Anakin is, and while I do believe he would unlock more of his potential under Qui-gon, I think light sabre skills are the one area where Obi-Wan might have had a small advantage over his master, so combined with the fact, Anakin would not have fought in the clone wars yet to truly test himself, I don’t think he should have that much prestige at this point.
Hey guys, wanna know why these really cool what ifs aren't made on Disney officially despiteMARVEL doing it? They focus on the past :3, gotta love turning love to ash for cash Kathleen.
Disney are just running the sw movies into the ground the only good things Disney have made is like 4 Show Kenobi mando etc. it doesn’t seem like Disney really care it’s just a cash cow
If Qui-gon could sense Palpatine trying to conceal himself because he met Palpatine as Sidious before, then why didn't Grandmaster Qui-gon notice him in all the Senate- Council meetings?
yeah, palps was using force mask also the jedi temple was built under a dark side shrine or smth so it would help palps mask his identity@@_ThunderFire
What if Anakin while becoming vader with the loss of padme became a wound in the force due to him being in so much trauma and pain! Putting the whole entirely of the force in danger.
Fun fact, Zabraks (Darth Maul’s species) have two hearts, so Maul could have easily come back without much explanation if this were to have happened instead
I believe if Gui Gon lived and Obi Wan died. Gui Gon would had comfort Anakin, he wouldn’t made error and wouldn’t had let him down, Count Dooku might not turned to the dark side
What if qui-gon and obi-wan tried to talk before fighting maul? I mean they didn't even try to gain information from him. They needed to get maul monologuing. "Yes you can't even beat me what chance do the Jedi stand agents my master"
Lol padme asking Anakin about the Jedi clone army. Jedi Council: We have an army? Wha-When? How? Why? We gotta stop leaving our communicators on when we get into those hard late night meditations.
What if Anakin swung at mace but hit Palpatine Being stunned that he just killed the Only Way to save Padme but would also be Praised by MAce and Granted the Rank of Master EDIT:45 LIKES MAD GLAD YALL LIKE DIS IDEA ♥ 😂
The thing is qui gon greatly respected his master. Also the loss of his student while holding fast to the Jedi way would cause him to waiver. Maybe not immediately, but small things would add up over time because the Jedi are not blameless. He would’ve trained anakin very differently. And it’s very possible that dooku could’ve turned him to the dark side, making anakin have to fight and possibly kill his own master, yet again. This drastic change from a care free master that wasn’t bogged down by the codes and bylaws, to a new master who is hardcore might lead anakin to seek power from the chancellor, and if the chancellor was ever in any danger of anakin switching sides from him, he’d just dangle dooku in front of him. Here’s the man who turned your master, the man you saw as a father, the man who forced you to have to kill your own master. Blinded by rage and fear of loosing padme, this is enough to satiate him. However there’s no obi wan fight so padme doesn’t follow and anakin doesn’t force choke her. And since there’s no set up for anakin to kill padme, sidious has to set things up somehow for her to die. Only for anakin to learn of this because of his hardcore rule following master. This leads anakin to turn against the chancellor.
Quite a good story! Although, I think at that point Qui-Gon and Dooku would be too much for Sidious. Dooku alone was already near his level, adding in another Master who would have many years of working with Dooku? I don't think Sidious could beat them. I think he'd have to flee.
@@shughan666sidous was at his weakest here due to the lightning. if you watched The clone wars (2008) and saw the maul and savage vs sidous he easily 1v2’d them. Maul was not what he used to be yea but savage’s power was double what sidous was and savage made the jedi struggle
There is some truth to this. While Dooku by himself would probably lose to Sidious at this point, it'd still be a fairly close duel, but add Qui-Gon, as well as the teamwork he and Dooku would have built up in their past as master and apprentice, there's a moderate chance they could match Sidious since this Sidious isn't nearly as powerful as he'd become later. There's some supporting evidence in that Darth Plagueis believed that Dooku alone would, around this time, give Sidious some trouble. However there is one bit of evidence against them beating Sidious here and that that after killing Plagueis, which I think by this point Sidious had done recently, he got a power buff from having killed Plagueis. Its a tough call if they'd win.
@swiftyiwnl9406 not possible, that's why the jedi temple was built over the top of it, it was meant to counteract the darkside emanating from the temple, however palpy mcscrotum face used that to his advantage
I allways thought to myself, the light side of the force wanted Ankin to be trained by Quigon because of his unique fewings on the Jedi, in order for the Porphasy to become reality. The ONLY reason this did not happen in the original story was the emens power of Darth Sidius manipulating the battle of fates even over this emence distance. I strongly belive to this day even if Sidius could have keep Darth Tyrannos, he would have faild in his long plan.
This was an incredible video, but one thing I think could have played out differently is the battle with qui gon and dooku vs sidius. Dooku was said to be the only person who could challenge or beat yoda and mace in combat. I think his lightsaber combat abilities along with qui gon’s abilities with the force would be enough to overpower sidius. He was already cautious of dooku because he was a renowned fighter and sidius was out of practice in terms of lightsaber combat because he wanted the sith to move past needing them
And in the middle of the battle, after the exhausting task of removing his hood, Sleepy Sidious suddenly slumbered then there to their confusion and relief.
I would love to see a continuation of this. Maybe inspite of the brief clone war Thrawn is able to gain power and challenge the Republic. Amadala becomes Chanslor this placing Luke and Lea in his sites to try and control the outcome. Grevis is by his side along with the Night sisters.
I don't buy Palpatine getting into a multiple-opponent lightsaber battle and not have his identity discovered. The reason the Jedi never found out is because they'd never seen him. There is just no way Qui Gon wouldn't have seen his face, but there is also no way that Dooku couldn't have shouted his name. No matter how fast Palpatine may be, he wouldn't be able to keep Dooku occupied and silent for more than a few moments. Luke was able to call out to Vader while he was being electrocuted, and Palpatine was able to speak when he electrocuted himself.
I think the perfect thing to keep Anakin from falling was having both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in his life, a brother and a father figure would've done wonders and he wouldn't have gotten attached to Palaptine so much.
Dooku only fell to the dark side because Qui Gon was his padawan. When Qui Gon died, Dooku was angry about how the council handled his mission and felt that Qui Gon didn't need to die. This was how Sidious was able to get his hooks into Dooku. Dooku didn't follow Obi Wan or pay attention to him much until he saw Anakin was his padawan. Dooku knew ObiWan was weaker than most but someone who worked very hard to get where he was. He knew that if he could turn ObiWan, he would have access to Anakin. That was why Dooku tried to get ObiWan to join him. ObiWan was exactly like Anakin in personality - he was direct, impatient, and lead from the front. When he watched Anakin, he realized that he needed to temper himself and be more like his master, Qui Gon. Hence why ObiWan always reminded Anakin to be patient. The main differences between ObiWan and Anakin were a result of talent levels. Anakin was the Chosen One and ObiWan was much weaker in the force. However, ObiWan constantly trained where Anakin did not. Anakin/Vader began training more after the fight which left Anakin/Vader cripled and burned. Vader would meditate while in his bacta tank and reflect on his teachings from ObiWan and Sidious. It was his reliance on the bacta tank which forced him to be patient because he still relied on it to live.
This would have definitely made me extremely sad if it actually happened. In my honest opinion, one thing that really got under my skin regarding The Phantom Menace was how they sidelined Obi-Wan Kenobi up until the end of the film where he defeats Maul and takes Anakin under his wing. The dude didn't even get his own personal poem TV spot the way Shmi, Anakin, Qui-Gon, Padme, and even Darth Maul (DARTH MAUL! The one with the least amount of screentime) did. And I'm still sour about Padme's retort to Obi-Wan about not failing to get the viceroy. In short, it's bad enough that Kenobi got left on the side most of TPM, but it hurts even more to imagine if this what-if had its the final say in the canon. Okay, venting done. I'll see myself out.
One small issue.. how would the senator from kamino know padme? They didn't join the republic and hence didn't get represented in the Senate until after the clones were discovered..
I feel like palps would have a list of potentials. People being trained as sith assassins stashed throughout the galaxy that he could tap as a true appearance
I feel like Anakin and Qui Gon could have become a formidable partnership. I also feel like they would have been involved in creating a new more balanced Jedi Order as Qui Gon already had reservations/was his own person, and this would have nurtured a balanced understanding Anakin as opposed to Obi Wan/the council smothering Anakin
One of the major flaws here : Kamino wouldn't have a senate seat until the war began. The Kaminoans were isolationists, and not a part of the Republic until business and politics made it favorable.
Don't get me wrong - there are a few inconsistencies, but it's a fun and interesting thought experiment all the same! And certainly an enjoyable watch.@@thestarwarsgalaxy
what if luke never left dagobah in the empire strikes back? i just finished watching it and it got me wondering “what would have happened to han, leia and the others? would they live, escape, or die?”
the thing is. and that makes that moment so cool. Luke getting to help didnt change a thing. Lea etc were escaping regardless. Quite the opposite, they had to come back to rescue luke. So yea, would be interresting.
@@AbigatorM ye but R2 was with luke on dagobah. even lando didnt know the falcon’s hyperdrive was disabled. if R2 wasnt on the falcon the hyperdrive would not have gotten fixed. so again i ask do they get captured, live, escape, or die?
"Bacta was invented 12 minutes later."
😂
What if palpatine stumbled over his robe in a senate hallway and broke his neck?
What if anikan pulled out?
What if anikan and obi wan got high togther and talked it out?
Choas would reign
Lol
Idk why but I find this funny
Didn't George Lucas even state that Qui Gon could have stopped Anakin turning to the dark side?
Yeah George Lucas in an interview said point blank if Qui Gon had lived Anakin would never have turned.
That was the point of the duel of fates. Qui Gon dying was the turning point. It changed Anakins Fate.
It’s mainly for one reason if qui gon lives he becomes more of a father figure for anakin as opposed to palpatine becoming the father figure with obi wan as his brother
Acording to Tales of the Jedi, also Dooku turned to the dark side after Qui Gon died.
More than likely, Sidious would've struggled to corrupt Anakin.
Obiwan was an older brother
Quigon was Father.
Both gave all they had in the end a dad is for guidance and older brother can only try and emulate dad
All Anakin needed was a Father's guidance and a Brother's love.
2:07 Well it seems Obi-Wan quickly learned how to turn into a force ghost, as he is already seen behind Qui-Gon here :P
He’s just that good😂
I like how there's a parallel to Return of the Jedi, where Dooku gets redemption at the hands of his metaphorical son during his last battle, but the son is the only one to witness the redemption and carry on their legacy.
So Count Dooku got redeemed
So you could say it
Ryhmes
Didn’t Dooku die in Revenge of the Sith
I swear they get better the more you create these! Obi-Wan's death by Maul was heartbreaking, yet at least Anakin can continue the legacies left behind by not only him but Qui-Gon and Dooku's deaths.
Assuming obi won would lose. He could have won against maul. He did in The movie after all.
@@shaunkelly9053 he did due to Maul being arrogant.
This was such a good story! Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi and I like how he became more prominent here, and even turned Dooku back from the dark side.
And with his last breath, Dooku uttered to Qui-Gon what he thought were his greatest enemy's last words: "Fly, you fool"
Making my way through Naboo
whippin' that ass
Qui-gon about to get stabbed with a staff 🎶
qui gon lives, and anakin gets the fatherly help he needs with his emotions....therefore, Ani never turns.
Loved this. Qui Gon was one amazing Jedi, and would be a good match for Palpatine. Glad to view this alternative timeline. Great work
In Palpatine going down in history as a martyr for the Republic and Anakin taking the horrid truth to his grave, I also note echoes of a Father Brown story where Father Brown decides that he and Flambeau will take the horrid truth about a supposed hero (actually a villain long since brought to justice on another continent) to their graves because the legend about him will inspire people to be better than they might have been, and none of the monuments carry any wrongful blame against any innocent party (wrongful blame would have required publicizing the truth).
Great scenario! You should make a similar one to where both Obi-Wan & Qui Gon survive and defeat Maul together, that would also be interesting.
Or what if Nejaa Halcyon had trained Anakin?
"Dooku's plans"? Didn't Dooku only leave the order and turn to the darkside after Qui-Gon's death? Why would he join Sideous if his favourite apprentis survived.
Dooku had already started down the path. He had killed Sifi Dyas and was working with Palpatine by that point.
I think it wouldn't stop his way, Dooku doesn't look like mad man, he obviously went to the dark path to discover new abilities, at leadt it was one of the reasons
The only issue I see with this is that canonically, Plageuis even believed that 1 on 1, Dooku would defeat Palpatine in a duel. Add in Qui-Gon and I'd say it would be safe to consider Sidious as good as gone in that duel
Yes, but then there wouldn't be any story with Anakin involvement. This story would have ended right there in that would have sucked
@@666blaziken Which is why a story where Palpatine realizes he's outmatched by Dooku and instead manages to kill Qui-Gon and escape, leaving Dooku to train Anakin makes far more sense
@@666blaziken would’ve been amazing if quite gone, lived to stop chancellor Palpatine, the dark Lord of the Sith Anakin as well stopping him
@@666blaziken And this is the exact same reason why people dislike the prequel’s because Anakin turns to the Darkside and Quaggin isn’t there to stop him and be the father for him. This video should have been the actual timeline from episodes 1 to 3 and at least for the prequel’s, or this would be way better make the prequel’s a lot better and everybody’s opinion, including mine and yours
I mean... Maybe? It's not like Plagueius had fought Dooku. Plus Palpatine was hiding a lot of his power from his Master. Let us not also forget that Plagueius will and has lied.
There's a minor problem with this. No way would Palpatine go this long without an apprentice. And since he could simply go back to Dathomir to pick up another apprentice where he originally got Maul from anytime he wanted, he would have easily had another Sith doing assassin dirty work for him. In fact, he may have picked up Asajj Ventress. In the original story line, she would have become quite powerful if Sidious didn't make Dooku kill her. So, if she was his apprentice, by this time her power would have been great. A shame you didn't integrate that. But no way would he be slinking around doing all this himself when he's part of the Senate. He definitely would have found someone to do these assassin parts for him.
At a minimum, he would have used bounty hunters against people who weren’t too strong to need a Force-wielder to handle.
Palpatine needed a politician who was sith to play the role of the CIS leader so the jedi order think that the CIS is the new dark sith faction and they enter the war.
Not to dismiss your argument about Asajj Ventress being the next apprentice of the Sith. But Sidious needed someone who can lure politicians and other forces to the cause willingly unfortunately Asajj wouldn’t be good for that because if Sidious would take her in place, Ventress was not good around politics. She would rather use force and bring fear than persuasion. She can use fear to keep the Trade Federation in line however her actions would cause the politicians react against Sidious and they would threaten to spread leaks and cause to damage to Sidious’s plans if Asajj was not respecting them. As he tries to straighten her out, she would get more enraged within the dark side and her actions would cause the Separatists and politicians to break off and expose his plans to the Senate. Sidious could bring other bounty hunters (mostly Cad Bane) who have experience with working for Separatists to keep her in check. Still Asajj doesn’t play well with others and hates being in check. She would feel that she’s not trustworthy and that she’s not worthy of the Sith and she would destroy Sidious’s plans and expose Sidious before the war could begin. That would make her a liability and Sidious would have to kill her. However she can escape him by going to her home planet of Dathomir and he can’t go after her because he’s terrified of that world and of Mother Talzin. As fantastic as Asajj Ventress is, Sidious wouldn’t bring her as his apprentice because she will be another problem that he can’t handle and she’ll take everything away from Sidious within a snap 🫰. Admittedly Sidious could instead ask Mother Tanzin for another Maul (Savage Oppress) in case if he couldn’t get Asajj but he would not be cunning or intriguing as Sidious would expect. Hence why he would not find anyone close or better than Count Dooku. But I do think that Asajj would be a greater Sith if Sidious took time with her. However we all know how stubborn he is and he won’t care about sharing his time to his apprentices but that’s my opinion.
a PART of the senate? He IS the senate. heheheheheheheheheh. :P
Shush. He gave us a great story
What if anakin wasnt fast enough stopping mace. He made the strike but missed.
Then he would just fight mace???
@@shadowslayer9196 and as we know mace > sword
Not really Anakin would curb stomp mace
They were on he same level but mace was exhausted by his duel with palpatine
@@logandelaharpe6362 no. Mace as a weapon, is better than a sword. That was the joke
@@TheHighborn i think the fact he was tired after sidious fight. I would have anakin escape and the what if begins from there. No order 66 but a pissed off anakin and the jedi are after him
Anakin STILL wouldn't have been a Jedi Master... unless he trained his own Padawan to knighthood. I mean that fact is both Legends and Canon..
Oops. Forgor 💀
That’s not true you don’t need to train a padawan to knighthood that’s just the easiest way to become a Jedi master they do have Jedi trials to become a master just like becoming a knight
@@thestarwarsgalaxyno you didn’t, it’s a way to get there but it’s not the only option.
@@thestarwarsgalaxy he forgor 💀
Wrong.
Obi Wan, a Padawan, was promoted straight to Master for defeating Maul.
You're flexing lore, yet don't even know the most basic lore lol.
this is what i think would’ve happended: anakin sees qui-gon as a father not a brother like he did with obi-wan, qui-gon doesnt believe in politics so palpatines plans fail
Or Palpatine changes his game plan and starts Anakin down the path of Daddy issues
@@maplemayhem1988but what if i teleported behind you while you were bending down and shoved this 12 gauge far deep up your
How?
I like this story, it's very interesting. How much impact Obi wan's potential death in duel of the fates would have on the Galaxy. That and his death would also mean considering if it's this scenario that General Grievous would never be born from a certain point of view.
a small flaw in 18:00 KAmino wasnt part of the senat and got a seat AFTEr the war broke out because they provided the army.
Man. Rare to hear anyone else who knows about the failed Padawan Xanatos. Mad respect.
What if Dooku stayed in the Jedi Order as Palpatine's double agent
I think there would be very little difference since Palpatine was a double agent
@@joimumu at least it would allow Palpatine to have Dooku sent on Naboo and distract Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan so that Maul could escape unharmed.
@@ChampionOfDorkwall huge rule of two break
@@ryanamburgy2791 so was Maul in TPM
@@ChampionOfDorkwallplagueis was already usurped at this point considering Sidious had only told him that he had been training Maul as an assassin, yet he had been training him as a full on apprentice right under plagueis' nose.
oh the star wars galaxy best what if man ever really also add what if anakin killed in attack of the clones and then as the clone wars goes on he goes help ahsoka kill or capture maul and then go to take down grievous killing two birds with one stone also what if anakin stayed on mortis along with many more its up too you keep it up man
"I am an unworthy apprentice" - Obi wan
3:13
Palpatine being scared as hell when he found out qui-gon was there:
I actually really like that he kept his little mess up because it’s so hard to do this it’s like crazy and to only have that little mistakes is crazy so that’s very impressive!!!
I really like this fan fiction video, one problem though would be that when Dooku went to the funeral instead of meeting his master in the works, Palpitine was at the funeral as well so he would have known that dooku was there and not on Coruscant
I don’t think that’s an issue, right? It doesn’t matter if Palpatine knew Dooku was there
Great video and I always though had Qui-Gon had survived and lived to train Anakin himself, events would have gone completely differently as Anakin would have an entirely different type of Jedi, much less susceptible to corruption or Sidious influence. Plus more importantly as you say he would a massive infleunce on Dooku and quite probably able to redeem him from the dark side, basically sending Sidious plans up the river without a paddle, before they even begun.
I so would love to see some of your “What Ifs” on film. They are fantastic.
What If Yaddle went to Naboo with Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan
I really like this video, you obviously put a lot of work and effort into it. And I agree with almost all the changes you put forward. One small observation though, you mentioned, Aniken was as strong as any Jedi master specifically, with a light sabre during the events of Camino, however, as powerful as Anakin is, and while I do believe he would unlock more of his potential under Qui-gon, I think light sabre skills are the one area where Obi-Wan might have had a small advantage over his master, so combined with the fact, Anakin would not have fought in the clone wars yet to truly test himself, I don’t think he should have that much prestige at this point.
So really. the moral of the story. Yoda dooms the Order the moment he buries the history of Meetra and Revan.
Fr they should make a comic about yodas past decisions
This was really one of the best what ifs I’ve watched in so long I really enjoyed this
Hey guys, wanna know why these really cool what ifs aren't made on Disney officially despiteMARVEL doing it? They focus on the past :3, gotta love turning love to ash for cash Kathleen.
Disney are just running the sw movies into the ground the only good things Disney have made is like 4 Show Kenobi mando etc. it doesn’t seem like Disney really care it’s just a cash cow
If Qui-gon could sense Palpatine trying to conceal himself because he met Palpatine as Sidious before, then why didn't Grandmaster Qui-gon notice him in all the Senate- Council meetings?
Maybe it has something to do with his recent dark power use
yeah, palps was using force mask also the jedi temple was built under a dark side shrine or smth so it would help palps mask his identity@@_ThunderFire
Good stories. I like the what ifs. However I think Vintress being a possible apprentice for Sideus would be interesting bringing in the night sisters.
One of my favorites. Keep them coming. Thank you
What if Anakin while becoming vader with the loss of padme became a wound in the force due to him being in so much trauma and pain! Putting the whole entirely of the force in danger.
This would be elite
The second coming of Darth Nihilus? Interesting.
Everyone says Obi Wan is Jesus, but more like Qui Gon lmao
great story sad Obi-Wan died but I like that Qui-Gon survived and trained Anakin.
Fun fact, Zabraks (Darth Maul’s species) have two hearts, so Maul could have easily come back without much explanation if this were to have happened instead
I believe if Gui Gon lived and Obi Wan died. Gui Gon would had comfort Anakin, he wouldn’t made error and wouldn’t had let him down, Count Dooku might not turned to the dark side
This was great!
Def need a What If series with this as an episode
What if qui-gon and obi-wan tried to talk before fighting maul? I mean they didn't even try to gain information from him. They needed to get maul monologuing. "Yes you can't even beat me what chance do the Jedi stand agents my master"
Know the Secret to Eternal Consciousness obi wan in this Scenario does not
Lol padme asking Anakin about the Jedi clone army.
Jedi Council: We have an army? Wha-When? How? Why? We gotta stop leaving our communicators on when we get into those hard late night meditations.
This his honestly one of my favourite videos of yours 😀
Thank you for adding this. It was exciting.
What if Anakin swung at mace but hit Palpatine Being stunned that he just killed the Only Way to save Padme but would also be Praised by MAce and Granted the Rank of Master
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I agree this one sounds very interesting
Kill stealing is the way of the sith
Duuuuuuuuuude great idea hell yeah
@smokescreen100 so is faking your death by fall damage or stabbing through the intestines, apparently
What if Jar Jar stumbled in and tripped Anakin causing him to kill Palpatine instead of Mace?
The thing is qui gon greatly respected his master. Also the loss of his student while holding fast to the Jedi way would cause him to waiver. Maybe not immediately, but small things would add up over time because the Jedi are not blameless. He would’ve trained anakin very differently. And it’s very possible that dooku could’ve turned him to the dark side, making anakin have to fight and possibly kill his own master, yet again. This drastic change from a care free master that wasn’t bogged down by the codes and bylaws, to a new master who is hardcore might lead anakin to seek power from the chancellor, and if the chancellor was ever in any danger of anakin switching sides from him, he’d just dangle dooku in front of him. Here’s the man who turned your master, the man you saw as a father, the man who forced you to have to kill your own master. Blinded by rage and fear of loosing padme, this is enough to satiate him. However there’s no obi wan fight so padme doesn’t follow and anakin doesn’t force choke her. And since there’s no set up for anakin to kill padme, sidious has to set things up somehow for her to die. Only for anakin to learn of this because of his hardcore rule following master. This leads anakin to turn against the chancellor.
Quite a good story!
Although, I think at that point Qui-Gon and Dooku would be too much for Sidious. Dooku alone was already near his level, adding in another Master who would have many years of working with Dooku? I don't think Sidious could beat them. I think he'd have to flee.
I agree with this. Sidious could barely edge out Yoda in a 1v1; a 2v1 against Dooku and Qui Gon would be beyond his abilities.
@@shughan666sidous was at his weakest here due to the lightning. if you watched The clone wars (2008) and saw the maul and savage vs sidous he easily 1v2’d them. Maul was not what he used to be yea but savage’s power was double what sidous was and savage made the jedi struggle
There is some truth to this. While Dooku by himself would probably lose to Sidious at this point, it'd still be a fairly close duel, but add Qui-Gon, as well as the teamwork he and Dooku would have built up in their past as master and apprentice, there's a moderate chance they could match Sidious since this Sidious isn't nearly as powerful as he'd become later. There's some supporting evidence in that Darth Plagueis believed that Dooku alone would, around this time, give Sidious some trouble. However there is one bit of evidence against them beating Sidious here and that that after killing Plagueis, which I think by this point Sidious had done recently, he got a power buff from having killed Plagueis. Its a tough call if they'd win.
What if Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka found the hidden Sith Shrine under the Jedi Temple?
jocosta nu would investigate with yoda and mace and lock it off and potentially destroy it
@@swiftyiwnl9406 Won't be easy
@swiftyiwnl9406 not possible, that's why the jedi temple was built over the top of it, it was meant to counteract the darkside emanating from the temple, however palpy mcscrotum face used that to his advantage
I allways thought to myself, the light side of the force wanted Ankin to be trained by Quigon because of his unique fewings on the Jedi, in order for the Porphasy to become reality.
The ONLY reason this did not happen in the original story was the emens power of Darth Sidius manipulating the battle of fates even over this emence distance.
I strongly belive to this day even if Sidius could have keep Darth Tyrannos, he would have faild in his long plan.
I don't think Dooku would join the Dark Side in this alternate universe. One of his motivated factors of joining was the death of Quin-Gon.
But he had already killed Sifo Dyas by this point, and was working with palpatine
did you watch the video? theres other motivations.
great story ….although I dont think qui gon would have encouraged attachments but i do believe he’d say some are worth keeping.
This was an incredible video, but one thing I think could have played out differently is the battle with qui gon and dooku vs sidius. Dooku was said to be the only person who could challenge or beat yoda and mace in combat. I think his lightsaber combat abilities along with qui gon’s abilities with the force would be enough to overpower sidius. He was already cautious of dooku because he was a renowned fighter and sidius was out of practice in terms of lightsaber combat because he wanted the sith to move past needing them
Imagine you’re sword fighting a terrorist in a military science lab, and then he takes off his hood and it’s Joe Biden. Wild
And in the middle of the battle, after the exhausting task of removing his hood, Sleepy Sidious suddenly slumbered then there to their confusion and relief.
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Count Dooku's final moments were pretty damn badass.
Qui-gon would've redeemed Dooku and brought the plot to the Jedi with proof, knee capping Sidious
Palpatine won't go in there to kill a Senator. He'd hire Jango Fett or some bounty hunter.
I'm pretty sure that Halle Burtoni didn't become a senator until sometime after the Clone Wars began.
Awe. That was really good. I liked that a lot. Thank you
I would love to see a continuation of this. Maybe inspite of the brief clone war Thrawn is able to gain power and challenge the Republic. Amadala becomes Chanslor this placing Luke and Lea in his sites to try and control the outcome. Grevis is by his side along with the Night sisters.
hey i was just waiting for u to make this vid
Never allow yourself to get discouraged and think that your life is insignificant and can’t make a change.
I don't buy Palpatine getting into a multiple-opponent lightsaber battle and not have his identity discovered. The reason the Jedi never found out is because they'd never seen him. There is just no way Qui Gon wouldn't have seen his face, but there is also no way that Dooku couldn't have shouted his name. No matter how fast Palpatine may be, he wouldn't be able to keep Dooku occupied and silent for more than a few moments. Luke was able to call out to Vader while he was being electrocuted, and Palpatine was able to speak when he electrocuted himself.
These are always great keep up the good work man
Always wondered what would happen if Qui Gon had survived. Love Obi-Wan, but I can't help thinking Qui Gon would have understood Anakin better.
I think the perfect thing to keep Anakin from falling was having both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in his life, a brother and a father figure would've done wonders and he wouldn't have gotten attached to Palaptine so much.
Beautiful story!!
Cool story I enjoyed it alot. One possibility would be having obi-wan kanobi be wounded not killed. Kind regards from Daniel Harman.
Obiwan is half brother, half father for Anakin
Qui-Gon is 100% a father.
Dooku only fell to the dark side because Qui Gon was his padawan. When Qui Gon died, Dooku was angry about how the council handled his mission and felt that Qui Gon didn't need to die. This was how Sidious was able to get his hooks into Dooku. Dooku didn't follow Obi Wan or pay attention to him much until he saw Anakin was his padawan. Dooku knew ObiWan was weaker than most but someone who worked very hard to get where he was. He knew that if he could turn ObiWan, he would have access to Anakin. That was why Dooku tried to get ObiWan to join him. ObiWan was exactly like Anakin in personality - he was direct, impatient, and lead from the front. When he watched Anakin, he realized that he needed to temper himself and be more like his master, Qui Gon. Hence why ObiWan always reminded Anakin to be patient. The main differences between ObiWan and Anakin were a result of talent levels. Anakin was the Chosen One and ObiWan was much weaker in the force. However, ObiWan constantly trained where Anakin did not. Anakin/Vader began training more after the fight which left Anakin/Vader cripled and burned. Vader would meditate while in his bacta tank and reflect on his teachings from ObiWan and Sidious. It was his reliance on the bacta tank which forced him to be patient because he still relied on it to live.
This was a great video!
This would have definitely made me extremely sad if it actually happened. In my honest opinion, one thing that really got under my skin regarding The Phantom Menace was how they sidelined Obi-Wan Kenobi up until the end of the film where he defeats Maul and takes Anakin under his wing. The dude didn't even get his own personal poem TV spot the way Shmi, Anakin, Qui-Gon, Padme, and even Darth Maul (DARTH MAUL! The one with the least amount of screentime) did. And I'm still sour about Padme's retort to Obi-Wan about not failing to get the viceroy.
In short, it's bad enough that Kenobi got left on the side most of TPM, but it hurts even more to imagine if this what-if had its the final say in the canon. Okay, venting done. I'll see myself out.
This and the ”what if anakin went to the siege of mandalore with Ashoka” are my favorite fics!! 🙌👏
One small issue.. how would the senator from kamino know padme? They didn't join the republic and hence didn't get represented in the Senate until after the clones were discovered..
I feel like palps would have a list of potentials. People being trained as sith assassins stashed throughout the galaxy that he could tap as a true appearance
I feel like Anakin and Qui Gon could have become a formidable partnership.
I also feel like they would have been involved in creating a new more balanced Jedi Order as Qui Gon already had reservations/was his own person, and this would have nurtured a balanced understanding Anakin as opposed to Obi Wan/the council smothering Anakin
One of the major flaws here : Kamino wouldn't have a senate seat until the war began. The Kaminoans were isolationists, and not a part of the Republic until business and politics made it favorable.
Well. Dang it. Hope you enjoyed nonetheless
Don't get me wrong - there are a few inconsistencies, but it's a fun and interesting thought experiment all the same! And certainly an enjoyable watch.@@thestarwarsgalaxy
@1303Zithox well I appreciate that!!
I just comment on his last video suggesting this idea
Very impressive what if story of Qui-Gon living and training Anakin as he definitely should have for REAL! Except for Obi-Wan dying though.
Pretty legit man, loved it!
Awesome content!! Really enjoying the videos
Better than the Ahsoka show that's for sure lol thabk you I loved this!
Poor Dooku He sacrificed Himself to save His Old Padawan
Disney needs to hire him for what if star wars
What if Anakin had a zygerrian Padawan after ahsoka left the Jedi order
That would disastrous
@@dw9932extremely
@@dw9932it would be, but it's too close to Revenge of the Sith
What if he ended up with a tuscan raider for an apprentice?
@@roblopez8481ani would get ptsd from the sand people
If you ask me this timeline seems more likely considering obiwan’s lack of experience vs. his master.
Just awesome bro
But it was a CANON EVENT,bro!
what if luke never left dagobah in the empire strikes back? i just finished watching it and it got me wondering “what would have happened to han, leia and the others? would they live, escape, or die?”
the thing is. and that makes that moment so cool. Luke getting to help didnt change a thing. Lea etc were escaping regardless. Quite the opposite, they had to come back to rescue luke.
So yea, would be interresting.
@@AbigatorM ye but R2 was with luke on dagobah. even lando didnt know the falcon’s hyperdrive was disabled.
if R2 wasnt on the falcon the hyperdrive would not have gotten fixed. so again i ask do they get captured, live, escape, or die?
Mara Jade would not have had that loophole in Sidious' last command to her.
My answer is Anakin probably wouldn't have turned to the dark side if Obi-Wan died and Qui-Gon survived.
I know that this is an unusual request, but what if Batman and the Joker were in star wars as a jedi and a sith lord respectively?
If Qui-Gon survived the Jedi never would have fallen.