@@Jan12700 Do you have evidence of this? I googled it but couldn't find anything, but I didn't look very hard. Not saying you're lying, but if you're going to make an accusation, back it up.
@@LaylaSpellwindit works, takes a long time cus companies drag their feet removing data, they give you updates every so often, maybe once a week or so to give you progress updates As far as companies upholding their end, who knows 🤔🤷🏻♂️
incogni send your email, real name and address to all these data brokers and a power of attorney to remove it from their database. *BUT* what if they never had your info in the first place, Incogni just gave them it, they send your real info to all these data brokers, you have to hope the data brokers comply and dont have malicious intent.
@@Dan016 Awesome, thanks for letting me know. Yeah, looking online, I couldn't find any word of it being anything but legit, so seeing a single word comment "Scam!" just felt a bit trolly to me.
@@BasilAbdefEurobeag begins to play as the adverts come in faster and faster... Ads ads ads, we're gonna step up the ads... (to the tune of Gas Gas Gas!)
they barely have any games anyway, its like 1 or 2 a year then all the sports and racing games I dont care about. lol. Jedi Survivor was most recent one of those a year
@@IWillYeah you're right, though Warner Bros Discover is as bad as MS right now. Pretty much shutting everything down in TV, and you just know Rocksteady is next.
Yup, the gaming industry is due for a major shake-up. Too many "To big to fail" types, with super corporate structures. Its a monopoly with extra steps.
And yet, after like a month the gaming community and the civilian world overall, will have ceased to be angry, forget about this stuff, and moved on to the next thing. And give even more money in these companies hands
Canceled Netflix a long time ago, canceled prime when they started putting ADS in my paid service. EA will no longer see a dime for me. Yes, they are doing a great job and should keep it up.
Glad to see other people speaking with their wallets. I can't really shit on Prime though. They at least have so much more to your sub than just videos.
@@Arthur_Grey34and that's EXACTLY how they want you to think. They made a contract with you, then they changed the rules. But because YOU still see value from their bullshit shipping, you're fine with them dropping ads in your previously ad-free shows because you just saw Prime Video as a bonus. Guess what? It won't stop. They'll change your free shipping to discounted shipping. They'll make you wait longer to get free shipping so as to better their delivery routes and maximize their profits. But sure, ignore the fact that you agreed to a service and then they changed the rules. Give up all of your power.
@@Arthur_Grey34 That's true, but I don't order a lot of things so for me it is cheaper to just pay for shipping even next day is cheaper than month after month of fees. Videos kept me paying ads while paying turned me away...
@@Xoulrath_ LOL, kinda hard to argue that one. Right is right. I do see his and others points though some my family will never use the videos but order food, stuff and drinks from them so it's worth it for them. Not I however, it's bullshit and I won't take it. Amazon doesn't want my money and that's okay with me.
I'm fine with ads so long as it makes the service cheaper. Because if huge companies are willing to mostly cover the bills by dumping money into advertising that has literally never gotten me to buy anything, I'm not going to stop them. But the service does need to be cheaper and the ads have to be reasonable-one at the begining and end, maybe ,1 in the middle for longer stuff.
Yeah they are just nothing but disruptive pay walls which completely kills the idea of non-ad services... like the fuck, hello?!!! Imagine paying for the service and the service still fucking annoys you with shit ads. Hell no.
imagine. you pay hundreds of dollars, maybe even thousands. a full game and its dlc. special edition, too. and you still get those "Take a break" ads you see in mobile games
If you pay for a game, there should be 0 ads. Period. End of story. Anything else is completely unacceptable, and we should be pushing this narrative to all gamers.
Right. I'm okay with product placements, like logos showing up in the world where appropriate or one.character asking a guest if they want a Coke during a cutscene, but to actually stop gameplay to show me an ad? Fuck. That.
@@rylian21 im not okay with that either - they can easily do that without mentioning or showing specific brands... and accepting that kind of thing is just another degree higher in the boiling the frog game the industry loves playing... always pushing boundaries and then waiting until people are used to the crap so they can push more
EA is a company I have not purchased from in many many years. Most of these big companies have been off my watch list. I'm getting very tired of people acting surprised.
That's what is baffling me more than anything else. How 'gamers' can create a tempest in the teapot time and time and again, only to then buy next hyped half-finished, broken product from the same scummy company like there is no tomorrow - then act surprised when that company turns out to be scummy, again, and their product turns out to be half-finished and broken, again. FFS people...
But even paid games already advertise to you. Sure, it might be just in-game content for now (dumb cosmetics, boosters, etc.) but it's already waaaaay past the annoying and into "you know what, I don't care about this game enough to tolerate this shit".
100% If you are 20 years old or younger you have no idea how good their games were in the late 90's early 2000's... They are complete garbage. Monopolies always end this way
I understand that on a technical level, Wilson didn't say "we're gonna do this." But it's EA. That is one company it's hard to argue "innocent before proven guilty" when they have a rap sheet the length of the entire East Coast. They are going to. Believing they won't is massive cope.
EA pulled that 18years ago in Battlefield 2142 with ingame billboards with real life ads. It didn't sell. After 2 weeks it was replaced by placeholder and never come back with real ad again.
Even with context, the fact that they mentioned their interest in adding ads is still ghoulish and should be taken with utmost significance, if only to deter them from ACTUALLY going through with it, because if they do, it won't be long for other AAA publishers to follow suit.
I said it before I'll say it again, the second a game company releases a full priced game that had Ads, it's up to us to make sure that game flops as physically hard as posible. The issue is never the companies doing things like this they want to make money their whole point. The problem is when we the consumers tell them this is OK and we do that by speaking with our wallets. I remember when when even a rumor about Netflix adding ads absolutely tanked their price. Game companies are basicly waiting for it to be tried, and will use that experience to decide whether it becomes the new norm or never to be spoken about again
The worst case scenario for us is if somebody releases a game with ads that's actually good enough that people play it anyway. Luckily, all these companies have so far been WAYYYY too focused on money to actually make decent games 🎉
why is it always up to individuals to fight back against the crap extremely wealthy and powerful companies do? like, sure we do not really have much of a choice...we are under attack - but its not our responsibility... its self defence this would be the responsibility of our elected officials - paid products should never have advertising in them. we should have laws on that on the books! but until that happens... we have to hold the line or get overrun by these greedy bastards
When it comes to publishers, never think they have your interests in mind. The only ones they care about are the shareholders. If you are dealing with a publicly owned company, they will be awful. A publicly owned publisher? Prepare to have your games damaged. Any studio getting acquired by a publisher is a sign that that studio is on death's door.
After 14 years, I've cancelled Amazon Prime the very day they asked me to pay extra to remove ads. After years of price hikes, this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
guessing the price increase on games from 60$ to 70$ wasn't enough for them, paired with their in-game microtransactions not being enough. They need more more more more more more. Greed is what EA has become. no longer the good brand we know and loved. now a mega corp who controls IP's and can now install ad's into their AAA/AAAA titles and if you wanna play it, AD in your face :)
Imagine Valve adding advertising to CS2 in the form of player skins. "Killed Terrorist Biden! Counter-Terrorist Obama got headshot by Terrorist Trump! - By the way, remember to vote this November." I shudder at the thought.
On one hand it's funny, the state of journalism where every article blows up the story further and makes more ridiculous claims. On the other hand I do think we do need that backlash, the public outcries and protests, so we as gamers show the big publishers that what their investors are asking for is not wanted and can't be pushed on us like that.
Live service, mobile, AI and in-game ads... These are the topics the investors want to talk about. Why is ANYONE buying AAA anymore? You're paying to work an extra job and not have fun.
They act like this hasn't been tried before and has been thoroughly rejected by us gamers. I mean it happened even before this, but I remember City of Heroes totally getting lambasted for it. Didn't GTA or one of its clones try this almost a decade ago as well too? They are hoping the younger generations just says "OK".
I've been playing a lot of Cyberpunk 2077 recently, so when I heard about the in-game ads I thought "Well, companies should be jumping at the opportunity to have real ads in this game where ads are literally everywhere." And then I remembered I was playing Cyberpunk. xD
If in Madden and FIFAA they had live ad banners and signs, that actually is pretty immersive as it happens IRL and I wouldn't be all that irritated. But, this is EA and they are greedy as hell so I expect ads shoved into the worst areas and games possible so screw them.
"Watch an advert, get some v-bucks" This is horrifying considering my youngest nephew already gets angry if we fast forward through commercials when watching TV
The capacity of bellular to keep a level head in times of spaztic mass media bloat. is honestly a refreshing pitstop in my daily routine of chaos and panic. Much appreciated.
Burnout paradise had advertiser space back in the day. The in game billboards had real life adverts on them. If it were something like that i wouldn't mind it. Like say an open world game had adverts for products or the display TVs in a shop had ads playing on them 24/7
21:00 *_"Our Audience Wont Like It..."_* --- Since when did Android Wilson care about what any of us think? If he cared so much about gamers and people who buy the games his company publishes then every game EA releases would be an absolute masterpiece. Customers arent important. The shareholders and investors have to be pleased first
One type of game genre that in-game advertising does kinda work in, is racing games, because that can be integrated into car liveries, trackside billboards etc just like real world motorsport. Castrol for example, have had a presence in Gran Turismo since the first game back in the late 90's. WipEout 2097 had Red Bull branding around their circuits before Red Bull became a recognized brand. Need For Speed has had Burger King & T-Mobile in some of their best games. Etc etc... Point is, in-game advertising can work, but it has to be cleverly integrated and non-intrusive. Unlike say, pop-up ads that you can get on a main menu.
Some with banners and jumbotron playing ads during a football game or something. Its not cool but its not a big deal. But if they play a midroll ad inbetween plays or something then thats fucked
Yeah, sports games in general wouldn't look terrible by having integrated adds, because real-life sports do it all the time. Partnerships with sports-related brands can also work both way, by bringing consumers to the game and players to the brand. That said, money from those adds should go to game maintenance and updates first, not directly into the shareholders' pockets.
They can do whatever they want. I can also never buy any EA product ever again, in addition to shitting on EA in every conversation where they or any of their products is ever brought up in, forever.
I remember hearing about the idea of ads in video games before and it never really caught on beyond cross promotions like Soap shoes (officially called Grind Shoes after Sega lost the rights to mentioning the brand, though they own the shoe design) and billboards in Sonic Adventure 2 (which clearly failed because I doubt anyone realized Soap was a real shoe brand, let alone a shoe brand. I sure as heck didn't), 7-Eleven in MapleStory and McDonalds in Neopets. I remember hearing Neopets got into legal trouble in at least one nation for their currently-missing McDonalds cross-promotion (meanwhile I'm pretty sure Global MapleStory still has the 7-Eleven) even though 7-Eleven stopped doing cross promotions in the US and stopped selling Nexon Cash cards at some point in the early to mid 2010s.
Ads in games won't be profitable since ad revenue on websites and TH-cam has been falling. Now, here comes EA announcing they're going to put ads in games. Political and Pharmaceutical ads are the worst...
The Sims have already had pop-ups for DLC in the actual game. The sims 3 would have store items appear right at the top build/buy categories for housing and create a sim. Clicking on the store would take you to the Sims 3 website. Sims 4 brought it back recently, a shopping cart on the top right. It occasionally messages you about looking at something. I'm playing on PS5 and have 95% of the dlc, but I still get the pops up with nothing actually suggested.
Triple A games are not AAA anymore. They're A at best. If I have to pay a premium for a game, then not own it and on top of it, have to see ads... what's AAA about it actually? Apparently indie is the new AAA.
Man, gamers should really become activist investors. If everyone who bought Helldivers 2 bought a few shares in Sony they'd collectively be nearly as big a shareholder as Blackrock.
On the Ads also - Electronic Arts has a significantly non-zero number of mobile games on the Android market (I assume on iOS as well, but didn't look) and as you mention, nearly all of them are advertising supported. Regardless of the AAA titles, they publish a lot of not-AAA, as well as free-to-play titles. I'd assume we're less likely to see an advert inside, say Dragon Age: We Fired All the Writers and Let ChatGPT Write It - than in, say, a free-to-play version of Burnout using NFT's for AI-generated paint jobs for the Investor Bros.
I'm a patient gamer... I can wait for the crack... I absolutely won't pay for any game that has ads in it, unless it is an in-universe ad, subtly pointing me towards other connected games in the same universe. 19:00 The fuck are you on about? It is not 'accepted' on mobile, it is tolerated, at best... don't try to normalize this shit.
Bet they'll just include direct linking from a loading screen's splash screen to an advertising server to replace the splash screen completely or put an ad in a window of every load screen.
I remember back in the day when City of Heroes/Villains started replacing some of the in-game billboards with real world adverts. I legit died because I stopped in my tracks and was like "Was this always a billboard for JG Wentworth?" and didn't notice the baddies shooting me. Pretty sure this was after they started flirting with their freemium model, so while I was sort of mad *I* was seeing adverts in a 10$/mo game, at least some people who weren't paying were seeing the adverts? I guess? At least they weren't super intrusive the way loading screen adverts are? I guess? ... god damn it, now I have the stupid JG Wentworth jingle stuck in my head again.
Public owned companies will inevitably only Care about line going up. Because they have to. It's going to crumble sooner or later, as Infinite growth is Impossible.
This is not the first time that this has happened. Technically. In the past some games have included advertisements, but they tended to be games first and the ad was normally stuffed into the Extra tab. Then there are tie-in games where the game itself is an ad. The third type I have seen is what I call Dedicated Content. A part of the basic release that is basically an ad. This doesn't feel like any of those. This feels like a way to sacrifice play experience for 3rd party investment. This feels like it will shift the focus away from providing a game people will buy to a platform for people to put ads on. This going to get games under scrutiny of another set of government organizations. Communication commissions.
I've never been comfortable with ads in-game but it was wild seeing Sam Porter Bridges down not one, not two, but three whole Monsters. (I guess more like two and a half)
Xbox, Sony, Ubisoft, EA, and even Nintendo recently with their copyright bullshit actin' up again. The 2020's is the era where entire gaming industry is showing their ugliest side, and they all seem to of forgotten where the money comes from, show them what it means to push layoffs all the way to the top.
I didn't see anything on it until I was listening to one of my favorite military YT creator (Habitual Linecrosser) and HE talked about it. And 90% of the comments were about EA, not about the rest of the vid. You know you touched a nerve when even the non-game sites are talking about it.
Am I the only one who remembers there being in-game advertisments in Mercinaries 2, back in 2008. I remember seeing an in-game billboard advertising nightmare on elm street when i was a teen
Understand this is not the first time this was proposed. In 2005 game companies floated the idea of in game advertising like billboards in racing games and what not as a way to help pay for the growing need to maintain online servers.
I actually wouldnt mind too much if they do ingame ads that are immersive, like walking around a town seeing a billboard for a real product. or even some NPC in a market place giving some sales pitch for a real product. my issue would be with any immersion breaking advertising, because that would make the game experience worse, and the market is too competitive to expect us to put up with that.
I appreciate how you’re trying to show both sides of it/how the world works, but it just makes me lose more faith in how the world works haha. Some games/franchises are just too big at this point.
I am 100% positive about ads in games if they are immersive and remove another payment fee. Some games just naturally isnt fit for ads... A race game, sure, a shooter, sure. A medieval game? Uuh ,no. But, assuming it does... If ads makes all DLC's free, OK. If ads gives me free free expansions, OK If ads replace subscriptions, OK. If ads makes all cosmetics free, OK. I am NOT going to accept ads if they are additive on top of all other payments.
I think one of the problems we're seeing with increased monetization is that these companies operate under the notion that 'infinite growth' exists. The bigger they get, the bigger they wanna be. You can only charge your customers so much and you can only have so many customers.
if their games were free... then I dont care of they put ads in it. develop the game to capture audience to sell ads too... but buying a game and having ads? pass. would stick to indie games if all the major labels did that.
EA has been trying to do this for a long time, billboards in one of their games were going to be used for banner advertisements at one point. This does not surprise me, It's just sad.
Honestly in games like nhl, eafc, driving games, etc you can sell advertising space on billboards, and product placement etc where it's just part of the game and is still ethical. Every arena is plastered in ads anyway.
Seeing this made me think that we see games industry by the lens of Pc/console gaming, but investor groups see mobile as part of the industry too. So much of the pressure to improve monetization is based on that branch of the market gamers tend to ignore. I would like to know more about it.
Imagine playing battlefield. Now imagine playing it, and needing to watch a 15 second ad every time you respawn and have to close a pop up ad everytime you reload. Imagine :D
Tbh, I don't mind product placements. Putting "ads" where "ads" help set the scene is perfectly fine. It doesn't break immersion or negatively affect the customer experience. It's been done for ages in movies without being noticed. I mean, you probably know what kind of car 007 drives, right? But people HATE ads that interrupt their entertainment experience. It's...barely acceptable for a free or very cheap media. But if I'm paying even AA game money...interrupting ads aren't acceptable. If we keep rallying against it, eventually investors will be pushing against Really though, the only investor that potentially understands the game industry was the one that asked if they responded to player feedback. The single biggest sales driver for a video game is happy customers convincing others to get the game. Like, practically every one of the top games for '23 is a game that gives customers exactly what they want without any gimmicks, full-screen ads, or excessive microtransactions. None were groundbreaking or flawless. If game is simply good, it gets talked about via friends, and those positive impressions lead to sales.
Ads are on the way. Can't say for sure when, but you're in denial if you think otherwise. Free to play games with a start-up ad that get removed if you've purchased the current season's Battle Pass, or an offer to watch an ad for some currency when entering an in game store. It will happen. It's just a matter of time.
I wouldn't mind it when gta used taco bell instead of clucky bell or something like that. Most their fast food restaurants were used to mimic a real fast food restaurant anyways so them using the real name wouldn't really change that much for me. Basically, if the ads are just in the background and don't really negatively impact the game in any way I don't mind this at all.
Much of this "reporting" is a question of careful wording. Tell the truth, but never the whole truth. Politicians have 'plausible deniability'. A phrase that I had to stick to a long while ago was "not knowingly..." so long as I could legitimately say that I did not knowingly allow x or y, then it was just on the correct side of the rules.
Just looking at the thumbnail and I had to laugh histericly. The drama around MS has not even cooled down and EA thought... hey don't forget us! It is like beating the final boss of the third game in a series and the boss of the first two games shows in a teaser.
It's things like this that are the reason I mainly only buy indies nowadays. And companies like EA are the reason I'm MORE willing to buy little indie titles that I've never heard about before, with no (conventional) advertising - just a single person that made a game out of passion, even if it doesn't look like much. I'd rather accidentally waste money on some innocent guys passion project that I don't like after all, than give money to 'Egregious Avarice' Games for the shell of a game that used to be amazing.
There's a certain irony in a youtube video reporting on the encroachment of advertising cutting to a sponsor segment. I know, I know that sponsor money help make channels like this viable. But its still a plague on youtube and compromises so many channels independence, even if by and large I think Bellular are honest and at least somewhat picky with their sponsorships.
Dread Wolf is gonna suck. It will be a button mash ARPG with all turn-based strategy pared-back for "accessibility". It will be a Skyrim clone with an ocean of content the depth of a mud puddle.
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@@Jan12700 Do you have evidence of this? I googled it but couldn't find anything, but I didn't look very hard.
Not saying you're lying, but if you're going to make an accusation, back it up.
@@LaylaSpellwindit works, takes a long time cus companies drag their feet removing data, they give you updates every so often, maybe once a week or so to give you progress updates
As far as companies upholding their end, who knows 🤔🤷🏻♂️
incogni send your email, real name and address to all these data brokers and a power of attorney to remove it from their database. *BUT* what if they never had your info in the first place, Incogni just gave them it, they send your real info to all these data brokers, you have to hope the data brokers comply and dont have malicious intent.
@@Dan016 Awesome, thanks for letting me know. Yeah, looking online, I couldn't find any word of it being anything but legit, so seeing a single word comment "Scam!" just felt a bit trolly to me.
This 90$ game you purchased is sponsored by: raid shadow legends.
My steam deck is filled with pirated games, it’s never been easier these days.
I can see an ad while playing Raid Shadow Legends saying it's sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends. 🤣
The extra A in AAA stands for "ads"
@@BasilAbdefEurobeag begins to play as the adverts come in faster and faster...
Ads ads ads, we're gonna step up the ads... (to the tune of Gas Gas Gas!)
Insert American office no meme
REMOVE EA FORM YOUR BUY LISTS!!!oh wait they haven't been on the list in years.
I did that over ten years ago.
they barely have any games anyway, its like 1 or 2 a year then all the sports and racing games I dont care about. lol. Jedi Survivor was most recent one of those a year
My last game from them was simcity.
I bought c&c collection on steam before that.... I actually have no idea.
The last time I bought an ea game was their first battlefront attempt. That was when I called it quits
Sony: does Sony things
MS: does MS things
EA: hey, don't forget me!
What MS did is far worse then the others, but I get your point/ meme lol
@@IWillYeah you're right, though Warner Bros Discover is as bad as MS right now. Pretty much shutting everything down in TV, and you just know Rocksteady is next.
Yup, the gaming industry is due for a major shake-up. Too many "To big to fail" types, with super corporate structures. Its a monopoly with extra steps.
And yet, after like a month the gaming community and the civilian world overall, will have ceased to be angry, forget about this stuff, and moved on to the next thing. And give even more money in these companies hands
Won’t be long till Ubisoft throws their hat in
Canceled Netflix a long time ago, canceled prime when they started putting ADS in my paid service. EA will no longer see a dime for me. Yes, they are doing a great job and should keep it up.
gg we did the same with prime and netflix. that's the only language they understand
Glad to see other people speaking with their wallets.
I can't really shit on Prime though. They at least have so much more to your sub than just videos.
@@Arthur_Grey34and that's EXACTLY how they want you to think. They made a contract with you, then they changed the rules. But because YOU still see value from their bullshit shipping, you're fine with them dropping ads in your previously ad-free shows because you just saw Prime Video as a bonus. Guess what? It won't stop. They'll change your free shipping to discounted shipping. They'll make you wait longer to get free shipping so as to better their delivery routes and maximize their profits. But sure, ignore the fact that you agreed to a service and then they changed the rules. Give up all of your power.
@@Arthur_Grey34 That's true, but I don't order a lot of things so for me it is cheaper to just pay for shipping even next day is cheaper than month after month of fees. Videos kept me paying ads while paying turned me away...
@@Xoulrath_ LOL, kinda hard to argue that one. Right is right. I do see his and others points though some my family will never use the videos but order food, stuff and drinks from them so it's worth it for them. Not I however, it's bullshit and I won't take it. Amazon doesn't want my money and that's okay with me.
I cancelled Prime when they brought in ads. Same as Netflix. They keep killing their services and blame the consumer for it.
Greed cannot be satisfied and it's always the customer's fault.
@@benrussell-gough1201 It's not greed, It's capitalism
I'm fine with ads so long as it makes the service cheaper. Because if huge companies are willing to mostly cover the bills by dumping money into advertising that has literally never gotten me to buy anything, I'm not going to stop them. But the service does need to be cheaper and the ads have to be reasonable-one at the begining and end, maybe ,1 in the middle for longer stuff.
@@dragonninja3655 Or Free, like y'know TV used to be. Free is fine. Ads+sub naff off.
Yeah they are just nothing but disruptive pay walls which completely kills the idea of non-ad services... like the fuck, hello?!!! Imagine paying for the service and the service still fucking annoys you with shit ads. Hell no.
imagine. you pay hundreds of dollars, maybe even thousands. a full game and its dlc. special edition, too.
and you still get those "Take a break" ads you see in mobile games
If it's just to tell you to take a break during a loading screen, it's not so bad imo. Then it's not really an ad...
@@hopsys Unless it's something like "Take a break. Drink a Coke." Which wouldn't surprise me.
If you pay for a game, there should be 0 ads. Period. End of story. Anything else is completely unacceptable, and we should be pushing this narrative to all gamers.
Right. I'm okay with product placements, like logos showing up in the world where appropriate or one.character asking a guest if they want a Coke during a cutscene, but to actually stop gameplay to show me an ad? Fuck. That.
to bad welcome to the future
@@rylian21 im not okay with that either - they can easily do that without mentioning or showing specific brands... and accepting that kind of thing is just another degree higher in the boiling the frog game the industry loves playing... always pushing boundaries and then waiting until people are used to the crap so they can push more
Nobody creates a better argument for piracy than AAA.
If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing.
No, you're thieves. If you had morals you just wouldn't play the game.
@@Travis-l5f And lying is wrong. But are all liars criminals? No, it's not that simple.
@@Travis-l5f and which multi-billion dollar corporation are you shilling for?
@@Archangelm127 Right there with you.
EA is a company I have not purchased from in many many years. Most of these big companies have been off my watch list. I'm getting very tired of people acting surprised.
Me too. Every time EA does something bad they're shocked and buy their games anyway.
I guess that's what happen when more new people are born innocent, and we all getting older and wiser.
That's what is baffling me more than anything else. How 'gamers' can create a tempest in the teapot time and time and again, only to then buy next hyped half-finished, broken product from the same scummy company like there is no tomorrow - then act surprised when that company turns out to be scummy, again, and their product turns out to be half-finished and broken, again. FFS people...
same her
Free to play titles are one thing, but I’m not paying money for a game if it’s going to advertise to me.
people willl probably just mod them out, but thats not saying much.
And you won't even be able to do that on console... :/
But even paid games already advertise to you. Sure, it might be just in-game content for now (dumb cosmetics, boosters, etc.) but it's already waaaaay past the annoying and into "you know what, I don't care about this game enough to tolerate this shit".
Instead of ads they could just do product placement. The fact they just want to do ads means they just want to harvest data.
Well, this is why I haven't purchased an EA game in years
100% If you are 20 years old or younger you have no idea how good their games were in the late 90's early 2000's... They are complete garbage. Monopolies always end this way
I was a kid in the 90s and a teen in the early 2000s, those days will always be my favorite as a gamer
@@Yinzermakesvids 100% One of the lucky ones!
@@Yinzermakesvids Still remember when I was a kid and went to my cousin's house to play simcity 4 on her compuuter.
My last EA game I bought was Andromeda, and I won't do that mistake again with dreadwolf
I understand that on a technical level, Wilson didn't say "we're gonna do this."
But it's EA. That is one company it's hard to argue "innocent before proven guilty" when they have a rap sheet the length of the entire East Coast. They are going to. Believing they won't is massive cope.
EA pulled that 18years ago in Battlefield 2142 with ingame billboards with real life ads. It didn't sell. After 2 weeks it was replaced by placeholder and never come back with real ad again.
Burnout Paradise did this too. The only taker was EVGA.
Even with context, the fact that they mentioned their interest in adding ads is still ghoulish and should be taken with utmost significance, if only to deter them from ACTUALLY going through with it, because if they do, it won't be long for other AAA publishers to follow suit.
There are enough good quality indi developers nowadays to easily boycott greedy AAA companies.
3:12 ad ends
Kinda ironic how this video is about EA doing, what this channel already does to TH-cam premium users.
oh the irony, ad in a video that complains about ads
I said it before I'll say it again, the second a game company releases a full priced game that had Ads, it's up to us to make sure that game flops as physically hard as posible. The issue is never the companies doing things like this they want to make money their whole point. The problem is when we the consumers tell them this is OK and we do that by speaking with our wallets. I remember when when even a rumor about Netflix adding ads absolutely tanked their price. Game companies are basicly waiting for it to be tried, and will use that experience to decide whether it becomes the new norm or never to be spoken about again
The worst case scenario for us is if somebody releases a game with ads that's actually good enough that people play it anyway. Luckily, all these companies have so far been WAYYYY too focused on money to actually make decent games 🎉
why is it always up to individuals to fight back against the crap extremely wealthy and powerful companies do? like, sure we do not really have much of a choice...we are under attack - but its not our responsibility... its self defence
this would be the responsibility of our elected officials - paid products should never have advertising in them. we should have laws on that on the books!
but until that happens... we have to hold the line or get overrun by these greedy bastards
"Never" in this case being a decade or two ....
These CEOs are going to put pirates to work. Now they got to remove ads alongside the drm.
Only corporations find a way to reinvent cable
When it comes to publishers, never think they have your interests in mind. The only ones they care about are the shareholders. If you are dealing with a publicly owned company, they will be awful. A publicly owned publisher? Prepare to have your games damaged. Any studio getting acquired by a publisher is a sign that that studio is on death's door.
After 14 years, I've cancelled Amazon Prime the very day they asked me to pay extra to remove ads. After years of price hikes, this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
guessing the price increase on games from 60$ to 70$ wasn't enough for them, paired with their in-game microtransactions not being enough. They need more more more more more more.
Greed is what EA has become. no longer the good brand we know and loved. now a mega corp who controls IP's and can now install ad's into their AAA/AAAA titles and if you wanna play it, AD in your face :)
Yes, investors are expensive...
The last time I paid for an ea game was..... A decade or two ago? The last one I even bothered to pirate was sim city 4.
Netflix hiked my price by 120% in 3 years then offered me the old price but with adverts - I said no - it can be done - it should be done.
$40 WEAPON SKIN?!?!?!!?!
$20 FOR BLUE?! FOR BLUE?!!!
apex has like $250-$300 box only the people who kill you will see lmao.
They truly outdone Overwatch 2 now. Bravo.
Imagine Valve adding advertising to CS2 in the form of player skins.
"Killed Terrorist Biden! Counter-Terrorist Obama got headshot by Terrorist Trump! - By the way, remember to vote this November."
I shudder at the thought.
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On one hand it's funny, the state of journalism where every article blows up the story further and makes more ridiculous claims. On the other hand I do think we do need that backlash, the public outcries and protests, so we as gamers show the big publishers that what their investors are asking for is not wanted and can't be pushed on us like that.
Everyone looking over at Ubisoft who's been awfully quiet.
Hey, cut them some slack. Their next game is totally gonna be AAAAA, and that'll take a while to develop LOL
They're still recovering from the whole Crew server shutdown causing the UK to be looking into game ownership
Don't worry EA will sell you an adblock DLC for only 19.95 per month which will block a whole 30% of the ads.
Live service, mobile, AI and in-game ads... These are the topics the investors want to talk about. Why is ANYONE buying AAA anymore? You're paying to work an extra job and not have fun.
They act like this hasn't been tried before and has been thoroughly rejected by us gamers. I mean it happened even before this, but I remember City of Heroes totally getting lambasted for it. Didn't GTA or one of its clones try this almost a decade ago as well too? They are hoping the younger generations just says "OK".
I've been playing a lot of Cyberpunk 2077 recently, so when I heard about the in-game ads I thought "Well, companies should be jumping at the opportunity to have real ads in this game where ads are literally everywhere." And then I remembered I was playing Cyberpunk. xD
If in Madden and FIFAA they had live ad banners and signs, that actually is pretty immersive as it happens IRL and I wouldn't be all that irritated. But, this is EA and they are greedy as hell so I expect ads shoved into the worst areas and games possible so screw them.
Or if in battlefield they had destructible billboards, I wouldn't mind TOO much
Not that I've played anything past battlefield 1
Lol, assassin creed Valhalla with ads makes me laugh so hard.
@@jmjedi923 those places actually make sense
"Watch an advert, get some v-bucks"
This is horrifying considering my youngest nephew already gets angry if we fast forward through commercials when watching TV
Message to EA. You put ads in your games and we will collectively pirate them.
The capacity of bellular to keep a level head in times of spaztic mass media bloat. is honestly a refreshing pitstop in my daily routine of chaos and panic. Much appreciated.
Remember that most venture capitalists are just gambling addicts that don’t have the self control to keep it in a casino.
Thank you for the balanced take, and the effort of going through the transcript!
2024 is the corporate revenge tour for how great gaming was in 2023
Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 honestly is the most promising release and they're hardly even AAA
Burnout paradise had advertiser space back in the day. The in game billboards had real life adverts on them. If it were something like that i wouldn't mind it. Like say an open world game had adverts for products or the display TVs in a shop had ads playing on them 24/7
I really do appreciate how you guys go and pull what was actually said.
21:00 *_"Our Audience Wont Like It..."_* --- Since when did Android Wilson care about what any of us think?
If he cared so much about gamers and people who buy the games his company publishes then every game EA releases would be an absolute masterpiece.
Customers arent important. The shareholders and investors have to be pleased first
One type of game genre that in-game advertising does kinda work in, is racing games, because that can be integrated into car liveries, trackside billboards etc just like real world motorsport.
Castrol for example, have had a presence in Gran Turismo since the first game back in the late 90's.
WipEout 2097 had Red Bull branding around their circuits before Red Bull became a recognized brand.
Need For Speed has had Burger King & T-Mobile in some of their best games.
Etc etc...
Point is, in-game advertising can work, but it has to be cleverly integrated and non-intrusive. Unlike say, pop-up ads that you can get on a main menu.
Some with banners and jumbotron playing ads during a football game or something. Its not cool but its not a big deal. But if they play a midroll ad inbetween plays or something then thats fucked
Yeah, sports games in general wouldn't look terrible by having integrated adds, because real-life sports do it all the time. Partnerships with sports-related brands can also work both way, by bringing consumers to the game and players to the brand. That said, money from those adds should go to game maintenance and updates first, not directly into the shareholders' pockets.
They can do whatever they want.
I can also never buy any EA product ever again, in addition to shitting on EA in every conversation where they or any of their products is ever brought up in, forever.
I remember hearing about the idea of ads in video games before and it never really caught on beyond cross promotions like Soap shoes (officially called Grind Shoes after Sega lost the rights to mentioning the brand, though they own the shoe design) and billboards in Sonic Adventure 2 (which clearly failed because I doubt anyone realized Soap was a real shoe brand, let alone a shoe brand. I sure as heck didn't), 7-Eleven in MapleStory and McDonalds in Neopets. I remember hearing Neopets got into legal trouble in at least one nation for their currently-missing McDonalds cross-promotion (meanwhile I'm pretty sure Global MapleStory still has the 7-Eleven) even though 7-Eleven stopped doing cross promotions in the US and stopped selling Nexon Cash cards at some point in the early to mid 2010s.
anarchy online was playing ads on billboards inside the city hubs back in the day. then again the game was F2P.
I'm simply not watching Amazon Prime anymore. Cannot be bothered with ads.
Ads in games won't be profitable since ad revenue on websites and TH-cam has been falling.
Now, here comes EA announcing they're going to put ads in games.
Political and Pharmaceutical ads are the worst...
ironically, those of us old enough (gen x and older) remember when cable... had no ads :)
The more things change the more they stay the same
The Sims have already had pop-ups for DLC in the actual game. The sims 3 would have store items appear right at the top build/buy categories for housing and create a sim. Clicking on the store would take you to the Sims 3 website.
Sims 4 brought it back recently, a shopping cart on the top right. It occasionally messages you about looking at something. I'm playing on PS5 and have 95% of the dlc, but I still get the pops up with nothing actually suggested.
12:40 I can see Bellular squinting at the script where it says "Wily" and thinking "Does that really say willy?"
Product placement im ok with, within reason. Now full on ads in a game, hard no
Triple A games are not AAA anymore. They're A at best. If I have to pay a premium for a game, then not own it and on top of it, have to see ads... what's AAA about it actually? Apparently indie is the new AAA.
So basically I won’t be playing EA games anymore
Man, gamers should really become activist investors. If everyone who bought Helldivers 2 bought a few shares in Sony they'd collectively be nearly as big a shareholder as Blackrock.
and none of them will amount to a voting share.
We already had EA and 2K try to do Unskippable Ads in Loading screens before.... It did not go well.
Good guy EA: knows you're boycotting their games and gives you a reason not to stop, thus continuing to save you money.
Connected experiences = always online required
Insert Ready Player one scene with all of the ads.
On the Ads also - Electronic Arts has a significantly non-zero number of mobile games on the Android market (I assume on iOS as well, but didn't look) and as you mention, nearly all of them are advertising supported. Regardless of the AAA titles, they publish a lot of not-AAA, as well as free-to-play titles. I'd assume we're less likely to see an advert inside, say Dragon Age: We Fired All the Writers and Let ChatGPT Write It - than in, say, a free-to-play version of Burnout using NFT's for AI-generated paint jobs for the Investor Bros.
I'm a patient gamer... I can wait for the crack...
I absolutely won't pay for any game that has ads in it, unless it is an in-universe ad, subtly pointing me towards other connected games in the same universe.
19:00 The fuck are you on about? It is not 'accepted' on mobile, it is tolerated, at best... don't try to normalize this shit.
Bet they'll just include direct linking from a loading screen's splash screen to an advertising server to replace the splash screen completely or put an ad in a window of every load screen.
I remember back in the day when City of Heroes/Villains started replacing some of the in-game billboards with real world adverts. I legit died because I stopped in my tracks and was like "Was this always a billboard for JG Wentworth?" and didn't notice the baddies shooting me. Pretty sure this was after they started flirting with their freemium model, so while I was sort of mad *I* was seeing adverts in a 10$/mo game, at least some people who weren't paying were seeing the adverts? I guess? At least they weren't super intrusive the way loading screen adverts are? I guess?
... god damn it, now I have the stupid JG Wentworth jingle stuck in my head again.
Public owned companies will inevitably only Care about line going up. Because they have to. It's going to crumble sooner or later, as Infinite growth is Impossible.
This is not the first time that this has happened. Technically.
In the past some games have included advertisements, but they tended to be games first and the ad was normally stuffed into the Extra tab.
Then there are tie-in games where the game itself is an ad.
The third type I have seen is what I call Dedicated Content. A part of the basic release that is basically an ad.
This doesn't feel like any of those. This feels like a way to sacrifice play experience for 3rd party investment. This feels like it will shift the focus away from providing a game people will buy to a platform for people to put ads on. This going to get games under scrutiny of another set of government organizations. Communication commissions.
I've never been comfortable with ads in-game but it was wild seeing Sam Porter Bridges down not one, not two, but three whole Monsters. (I guess more like two and a half)
Next step, the advertising companies influence the games because they are not advertiser-friendly enough.
The AAA industry really needs to just collapse
Xbox, Sony, Ubisoft, EA, and even Nintendo recently with their copyright bullshit actin' up again.
The 2020's is the era where entire gaming industry is showing their ugliest side, and they all seem to of forgotten where the money comes from, show them what it means to push layoffs all the way to the top.
I didn't see anything on it until I was listening to one of my favorite military YT creator (Habitual Linecrosser) and HE talked about it. And 90% of the comments were about EA, not about the rest of the vid. You know you touched a nerve when even the non-game sites are talking about it.
Fascinating! Thanks for the level-headed take as usual!
Am I the only one who remembers there being in-game advertisments in Mercinaries 2, back in 2008.
I remember seeing an in-game billboard advertising nightmare on elm street when i was a teen
I've seen like 100+ Bellular videos and I had no idea I wasn't subscribed.
Understand this is not the first time this was proposed. In 2005 game companies floated the idea of in game advertising like billboards in racing games and what not as a way to help pay for the growing need to maintain online servers.
I actually wouldnt mind too much if they do ingame ads that are immersive, like walking around a town seeing a billboard for a real product. or even some NPC in a market place giving some sales pitch for a real product. my issue would be with any immersion breaking advertising, because that would make the game experience worse, and the market is too competitive to expect us to put up with that.
I appreciate how you’re trying to show both sides of it/how the world works, but it just makes me lose more faith in how the world works haha. Some games/franchises are just too big at this point.
Ngl I got hooked on this channel because of the ME:A uncharted worlds playing on the background. Goddammit I love that thing.
I am 100% positive about ads in games if they are immersive and remove another payment fee. Some games just naturally isnt fit for ads... A race game, sure, a shooter, sure. A medieval game? Uuh ,no.
But, assuming it does...
If ads makes all DLC's free, OK.
If ads gives me free free expansions, OK
If ads replace subscriptions, OK.
If ads makes all cosmetics free, OK.
I am NOT going to accept ads if they are additive on top of all other payments.
Burnout 3 Takedown actually had ads in game, as in there where AXE advertising posters in the game, so it actually fit in, but still...
More funny is that they still cling to old Frosted engine.....move one tree and the project faces exodus with crashes and bugs
If they put ads in games, they better be charging $20 for these titles rather than $90
if they put ads in games, that game better be free.
I think one of the problems we're seeing with increased monetization is that these companies operate under the notion that 'infinite growth' exists. The bigger they get, the bigger they wanna be. You can only charge your customers so much and you can only have so many customers.
if their games were free... then I dont care of they put ads in it. develop the game to capture audience to sell ads too... but buying a game and having ads? pass. would stick to indie games if all the major labels did that.
EA has been trying to do this for a long time, billboards in one of their games were going to be used for banner advertisements at one point. This does not surprise me, It's just sad.
Honestly in games like nhl, eafc, driving games, etc you can sell advertising space on billboards, and product placement etc where it's just part of the game and is still ethical. Every arena is plastered in ads anyway.
i never even noticed ads with prime cause i only ever had it for the shipping perks
Seeing this made me think that we see games industry by the lens of Pc/console gaming, but investor groups see mobile as part of the industry too. So much of the pressure to improve monetization is based on that branch of the market gamers tend to ignore.
I would like to know more about it.
Case in point...the only time I play mobile games is during plasma donations because all I have access to is my phone.
Imagine playing battlefield. Now imagine playing it, and needing to watch a 15 second ad every time you respawn and have to close a pop up ad everytime you reload. Imagine :D
Tbh, I don't mind product placements. Putting "ads" where "ads" help set the scene is perfectly fine. It doesn't break immersion or negatively affect the customer experience. It's been done for ages in movies without being noticed. I mean, you probably know what kind of car 007 drives, right?
But people HATE ads that interrupt their entertainment experience. It's...barely acceptable for a free or very cheap media. But if I'm paying even AA game money...interrupting ads aren't acceptable. If we keep rallying against it, eventually investors will be pushing against
Really though, the only investor that potentially understands the game industry was the one that asked if they responded to player feedback. The single biggest sales driver for a video game is happy customers convincing others to get the game. Like, practically every one of the top games for '23 is a game that gives customers exactly what they want without any gimmicks, full-screen ads, or excessive microtransactions. None were groundbreaking or flawless. If game is simply good, it gets talked about via friends, and those positive impressions lead to sales.
Ads are on the way. Can't say for sure when, but you're in denial if you think otherwise. Free to play games with a start-up ad that get removed if you've purchased the current season's Battle Pass, or an offer to watch an ad for some currency when entering an in game store. It will happen. It's just a matter of time.
Didnt EA say the same thing about 2042? They said its the biggest team ever on a Battlefield game. Going back to it roots, etc..
I like to imagine mainstream industry as a whole has to be this giant wheel they spin every week to see what incredible idea they can realize.
I wouldn't mind it when gta used taco bell instead of clucky bell or something like that. Most their fast food restaurants were used to mimic a real fast food restaurant anyways so them using the real name wouldn't really change that much for me.
Basically, if the ads are just in the background and don't really negatively impact the game in any way I don't mind this at all.
Much of this "reporting" is a question of careful wording. Tell the truth, but never the whole truth. Politicians have 'plausible deniability'. A phrase that I had to stick to a long while ago was "not knowingly..." so long as I could legitimately say that I did not knowingly allow x or y, then it was just on the correct side of the rules.
Just looking at the thumbnail and I had to laugh histericly.
The drama around MS has not even cooled down and EA thought... hey don't forget us!
It is like beating the final boss of the third game in a series and the boss of the first two games shows in a teaser.
It's things like this that are the reason I mainly only buy indies nowadays. And companies like EA are the reason I'm MORE willing to buy little indie titles that I've never heard about before, with no (conventional) advertising - just a single person that made a game out of passion, even if it doesn't look like much.
I'd rather accidentally waste money on some innocent guys passion project that I don't like after all, than give money to 'Egregious Avarice' Games for the shell of a game that used to be amazing.
There's a certain irony in a youtube video reporting on the encroachment of advertising cutting to a sponsor segment. I know, I know that sponsor money help make channels like this viable. But its still a plague on youtube and compromises so many channels independence, even if by and large I think Bellular are honest and at least somewhat picky with their sponsorships.
EA already has advertising in all of their sports games.
Dread Wolf is gonna suck. It will be a button mash ARPG with all turn-based strategy pared-back for "accessibility". It will be a Skyrim clone with an ocean of content the depth of a mud puddle.
Frostbite Technolog in the new battlefield Ohh fuck 😂 We have seen how this went down the first time