Aegis SABRE FIREBIRD Ship Review - Star Citizen Gameplay 2024 (3.23.1)

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  • I was lucky enough to rent and review the New #aegis #sabre #firebird
    Lets see how it lines up to the LEGENDARY Aegis Sabre Raven. Enjoy!
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    I've split this video into chapters for your convenience:
    0:00 Intro
    0:48 First Impressions
    1:46 Power On & Flight Characteristics
    3:35 Power Off & Exterior Details
    4:00 Weaponry
    4:19 Miss-ed Opportunity
    4:44 6 Missile Payload
    4:56 9 Questions
    5:31 Surprise COMBAT!
    8:11 One FINAL Question
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  • @LucianGhorric
    @LucianGhorric หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    They need to fix missiles, and this needs a minimum of 24 to be viable

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah, that's how I feel, but even then we just get Aegis' version of a Shrike, I feel like it could have been so much more.

    • @Jeremy_Walker
      @Jeremy_Walker หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So many ships have so many missiles. If it’s a missile ship it needs more for sure.

    • @j.d.4697
      @j.d.4697 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you sure that would make her viable?
      Low dps for longer is still low dps.
      I would argue it needs s4 missiles if not s5.
      S5 missiles would make it really strong and instead of triggering the people who always whine "they always add useless garbage ships" it would trigger the people who always whine "they always add new OP ships to cash in", but it would be more fun if stronger and it would push for other s5 missile ships like the Gladiator to finally get a meaningful buff as well.

    • @my_username_was_taken
      @my_username_was_taken หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      100% - the ship is GORGEOUS just like all of the sabres and that's unfortunately the only thing going for Ravens. I want them all so bad but they just all suck. It's painful because they are probably my most favorite ship design in the game. I have the awesome concierge paint and a CCU in case CIG ever decides to fix these ships.
      As it stands though this is a bit of a cash grab in my opinion because they know it's not a viable ship and yet they just go ahead and introduce another variant.

  • @kaventiaplays
    @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I've split this video into chapters for your convenience:
    0:00 Intro
    0:48 First Impressions
    1:46 Power On & Flight Characteristics
    3:35 Power Off & Exterior Details
    4:00 Weaponry
    4:19 Miss-ed Opportunity
    4:44 6 Missile Payload
    4:56 9 Questions
    5:31 Surprise COMBAT!
    8:11 One FINAL Question

  • @KillRedBeard
    @KillRedBeard หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    2 Videos in 1 day AAHHHHH. oh and amazing acceleration through thick atmo :O

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah the handling of the SABRE Raven & Firebird right now is actually pretty incredible in relation to their cross-section, I think it's only matched by Origins little 125a or a Razor etc.

  • @DaveRune
    @DaveRune หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That handles great, love the paint and sound design too!

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah man, the sound design of it is awesome, I'm not big on the paint.

    • @namenloserflo
      @namenloserflo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wish we could get the Raven though :(

  • @c.g.1605
    @c.g.1605 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think that with the F7A mk2 out, this is a very hard sell

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agreed, I'm keeping my F7A and I may consider this an an in-game buy in the future, but mostly cos I like the speed, sound & handling, NOT the combat capabilities.

  • @Hemebean
    @Hemebean หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The guns are larger than on a Shrike. It has a better capacitor and it has two powerplants compared to the Shrike's one.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah it has a few good things going for it... I'm looking forward to the next varient.

  • @metalmeltdown31
    @metalmeltdown31 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    NGL, I bought mine 90% for the looks and handling. I look forward to seeing how it does in PVP when servers frames are much higher.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wish it had a little more DPS, but will be fun to try to PVP for sure, that agility is worth a LOT.

  • @DaveRune
    @DaveRune หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The fact you got 1 hit with 12 missiles is better than I usually get. Not sure what's needed to make those things hit.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think swapping them out for EM missiles would make a difference, but AI definitely got better at shooting down missiles.

    • @Mnerd7368
      @Mnerd7368 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think getting extremely close is the only way to hit and shooting a large part of the area of the ship.

  • @vbiron8203
    @vbiron8203 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was a bit disapointed in manuverbility but overall an ok ship.
    I only bought it for the look.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, I only rented it to give it a try, but I can see it being fun when it's got more missiles, especially if they become more effective. It's already more useful after it loses it ut's missiles that an empty Talon Shrike / eclipse (if you change the stock guns).

  • @seanpatrickkinney9593
    @seanpatrickkinney9593 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think this will shine once we get carriers and resupply ships in game. This can circle the outside, pop off some missles and then land on a support craft and rearm and repeat.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Polaris will be able to do that at IAE apparently! :D

  • @commanderroddi7742
    @commanderroddi7742 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yes, I'm likely to pick one of these. Yes, it is a cash grab (but aren't all ships so?), and I do like the paint scheme. Though, in black with red accents this ship would be SICK! Seems to handle well and it is FAST! THe increased firepower on this ship does make it want it over the shrike (and by firepower, I mean the S3 guns, not missile).

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      CIG agreed with me and upped the missile count to 24 :)

  • @Pharesm
    @Pharesm หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The miniscule loadout limits it to interceptor duties and then, all those missiles did squat...
    But the damned wings are so much fucking bigger than any other Sabre, I don't know if it can even land on a Polaris.
    Looks like a cash grab to me!

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Polaris hangar is HUGE, it will fit.

  • @MVous86
    @MVous86 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’m most likely picking one up with store credits because it is hands down the most beautiful ship I’ve ever seen. However, if they charge more than $150 for this, I will be amazed. It really isn’t competitive and there are a lot of ships that outshine it in a lot of different ways at the same or lower price range.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My guess is high 100s or low 200s I don't think it can justify the price tag, but the handling and audio is GREAT.

    • @MVous86
      @MVous86 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaventiaplays I have a feeling you’re right about price. I’m just thinking that the Talon Shrike (main competitor) is $115 US and the Hornet F7C Mk. II just came out at $170 US. $150 seems logical for the Firebird, but who knows!

  • @Hardcover_Pilot
    @Hardcover_Pilot หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It feels bad now because missiles are extremely iffy right now on the live servers due to desync issues. If/when they can get those figured out I think it'll feel a lot better. I love the maneuverability and acceleration of it, and I felt no hesitation picking one up with store credit (especially since I missed out on the F7A II).

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, it will be an in-game buy for me. I got F7A, which by the way you can still do the missions for!

    • @Hardcover_Pilot
      @Hardcover_Pilot หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kaventiaplays Unfortunately I'm 100% a solo player, and from what I've seen you need a group for many of those missions.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Hardcover_Pilot They absolutely can be done solo, but they are a LOT harder.

  • @KennethSlavaAdamson
    @KennethSlavaAdamson หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Aaaaaand, the Firebird is in the CCU warbond upgrade today :)

  • @Monk-Darlington
    @Monk-Darlington หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder if it will end up being useful for air to ground role more than air to air?

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      In the direction that the missiles leave the launcher, I can see that, although there isn't currently a lot of call for that kind of gameplay outside of Jumptown.

    • @Monk-Darlington
      @Monk-Darlington หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaventiaplays hehe, not much use for X describes half of SC tbh.

  • @nikolaivodka6969
    @nikolaivodka6969 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is this PTU? I did not see the raven at the convention :o

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah that was from PTU got another 48 hours to wait for Aegis day!

  • @papascronch
    @papascronch หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thing needed more guns or more missles to open my wallet. Def a buy in game.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, I get that.

    • @papascronch
      @papascronch หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaventiaplays thing looks sick tho don't get it twisted, it "will' be bought in game 🤣 if not for the screen shots alone

  • @JabborWacky
    @JabborWacky หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think they wanted to make a version of the saber raven they could put in game to get around the promo limitations and this is what they came up with. On the marketing side of things, the firebird is definitely not worth a $185 USD price tag on the pledge store. Not when a shrike is so much cheaper even after the price increase.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, perhaps the next Sabre varient will be the one for me...?

  • @SP95
    @SP95 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sabre Aldi edition, this thing is a collector item like the Vanduul Blade

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol, it's certainly not a Raven.

  • @user-qn7lg9xh9r
    @user-qn7lg9xh9r หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What colours does it come in?

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      During PTU (when I recorded this) it only came in white, but Curiously SABRE Ravens in LIVE current can use other Sabre paints, so there may be a BIG variety of colours!

    • @SP95
      @SP95 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What color is your Saberatti ? 🚗

  • @briangueringer3673
    @briangueringer3673 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have absolute zero intrest in this ship.
    It looks really cool but 2 size 3 and 12 missles is super meh.
    ILW has been pretty bad outside of the medical Ursa. And I guess is ok for its price point.
    Other than that big, goose egg lol.
    I hear that Drake is going to have a large concept ship next week.
    At least that may be something...

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, what do you think Drake will reveal?

    • @briangueringer3673
      @briangueringer3673 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @kaventiaplays I have no idea lol. All I heard was "large". I would assume it will a combat ship. If they are trying to keep with the others...

  • @halozeus3844
    @halozeus3844 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The cockpit is clean, missles are in a weird place atm, ship looks amazing, under powered for a medium fighter when compared to any other medium fighter, handling is good in atmosphere. overall score 4.5/10 my thresh hold for a buyer is 7. Doesn't reach that threshold wouldn't consider buying unless u just like the way it looks

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The bump to 24 missiles and the improved stealth they're bringing in gives it a slight bump in my book, but yeah I'm thinking:
      9/10 handling
      7/10 Looks
      5/10 Combat Capabilities
      3/10 Utility
      Overall 6 / 10

    • @halozeus3844
      @halozeus3844 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @kaventiaplays I do have to update after I realized they are buffing it... and I agree ur scores are pretty much my exact scoring as well 6/10 overall missles are getting nerfed tho? Maybe yea u have 24 but now they move slower right?

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks! FYI CIG responded to a Spectrum post on the lastest updates to missiles (PTU 3.23.2) and said they will be reverting those changes and they were a test. BUT... even in thr current build AI turrets seem to prioritise missiles making them far less effective in the current build. They do however still seem quite effective against players. (Especially EM missiles)

    • @halozeus3844
      @halozeus3844 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @kaventiaplays ur incredible about getting info thank u again for the updates on it, 🫡 it might push to a 7 with a little more work

  • @dav5844
    @dav5844 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We need more missiles capacity

  • @TrentMurray
    @TrentMurray หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When will this be in store to buy?

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      In about 57 hours.

  • @my_username_was_taken
    @my_username_was_taken หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this video! I don't see how it could be any more clear - the end of your video with the cutlass shows exactly how this ship will perform. The missiles are just not right sadly.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Missiles can work better if they are a different type (EM) they may also work better on better performing servers. But sadly this was my experience. Missiles aren't in a great space right now.

  • @tannergilliam5634
    @tannergilliam5634 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Missed opportunity indeed. We can only hope it gets a buff in the future to hold more missiles to be more competitive..

  • @KairosGames
    @KairosGames หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks like it handles better, than the Talon?...

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly it handles REALLY well!

    • @Sryd770
      @Sryd770 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll be keeping my talon, no thank you CIG.

  • @KanopiStudio
    @KanopiStudio หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Missile bay is cooool...

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I do like the animation of how it opens up.

  • @GhostActual206
    @GhostActual206 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where is this located in invictus? I've looked everywhere

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The show hall will be updated in ~57 hours for Aegis day.

  • @Dracurosu
    @Dracurosu หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    another play for funding thrown together quickly by CIG... the wing shape and colour scheme destroyed it for me though, the rest is ok: speed, missile numbers (its a flying plane in athmo and has to carry weight in gravity btw) are ok, stealth - idk - no one tested stealth.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, I think it's just an uglier and less useful Raven.

  • @ThailandAdventures-zy3nr
    @ThailandAdventures-zy3nr หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Over $200 for sure!

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe Warbond for $195? :P

    • @haddo365
      @haddo365 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah, Raven was $200, and it was a game package. This will probably be $170-180 usd.

  • @kobodera8261
    @kobodera8261 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2x s3 gatlins... riiight... in this patch where gatlins have replaced ballistic ammo with bb pellets... good luck killing anything bigger than a Aurora... if you even manage to kill that...

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean, I popped a Cutty with about 50% of my ammo... But I agree with your point.

    • @kobodera8261
      @kobodera8261 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaventiaplays Hehe yea, nice fireworks, but almost no damage. As to the missiles I tried to do an ERT with a Storm AA today...
      I had two missiles left when the main target went down... that is 64 + 14 missiles fired... there were three additional targets that I had not fired a single missile at yet... so yea... missiles are kind of lacking too.

  • @toecutter9372
    @toecutter9372 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So far, it feels like to me, that CIG wasted their time with this ship nobody asked for. Tell me what this improves on?

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed, but I now understand that this ship was essentially half the development cost because the did the Gold pass on the Raven at the same time... Rumour is there is another variant coming too...

    • @toecutter9372
      @toecutter9372 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kaventiaplays id be interested to see what this mystery variant is. Great video btw!

  • @Matthew.1994
    @Matthew.1994 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i just get it for my store credits i still have and give it a long time test. if i dont like it i just melt it again :D

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, that's what I might be doing too... Unless Drake brings out something more interesting...?

    • @Matthew.1994
      @Matthew.1994 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaventiaplays i dont like the drake design :D so im good on that end :D

  • @kekstunker6057
    @kekstunker6057 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After all these strong Hornets, this ship looks very weak. Maybe they will sell it for 5$ less, 165$. The Sabre used to have strong shields and it needs them again to be competitive.

  • @Viv184
    @Viv184 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    How much?

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We're not quite sure yet, should be finding out in about 22 hours!

    • @93adamh
      @93adamh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@kaventiaplaysmuch longer unfortunately, 2 days and 18 hours

    • @CopperRavenProductions
      @CopperRavenProductions หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It has 12 size threes vs a shrike that has 24. Literaly one or 2 kills tops, then you have to reload. With only 2 size three guns? Whatever it is, it will be to much. It is gorgeous, but what a fu3king waste

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Dang, right you are! I got my days mixed up, not much exciting today, so I guess I just wrote it off... ^_^

  • @j.d.4697
    @j.d.4697 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In terms of tuning it's a lazy cash grab, or would be if the game were finished with the combat balance already established.
    But that's not the case, and I think the design work that went into it is legitimate.
    So from my perspective it's positive. Iterating on a successful design is exactly what a vehicle brand would do and one can never have enough variety.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm kind of happy the Talon shrike has an alternative option, I just feel like it could have been something more fun than another missile slinger. I agree the design work that went into it is nice, even if I'm not a fan of the hole covers & paint.

  • @rafaelpaiva9770
    @rafaelpaiva9770 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why even sell a missile based ship when missiles are just a russian roulette on when they will work? I don't even think cig knows what role they want missiles to fill; they either have to be low damage and cheap, but then the limited loadout wouldn't make sense; or be expensive, and highly reliable for the user, requiring skill from the target to avoid the missile. RIght now, is the missile choice if it will hit or miss.
    Last time I logged was 2.19 and for S3 missiles to work they had to be fired at exactly 4km from the target on a head on and you had to be at scm speeds otherwise it would just overshoot. if they didn't sling shot all over the place.
    For a better missile experience, just go fire cold war missiles in war thunder.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, missiles are in a really bad place right now, and super dependant on the server. They're rarely sticky and often miss.

  • @Sky-Ronin
    @Sky-Ronin หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really wish it had 2 extra guns.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, I'd take 12 less missiles for 2 more guns.

  • @mikmak3mk748
    @mikmak3mk748 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    for $200.... Not a fan.
    An andromeda is $50 more and has WAYYY more missiles, with which, I'd rather fly a talon shrike, which is cheaper and stealth.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I THINK it may be as stealthy as a Talon, if it shares the stealth characteristics with a Raven. In my F7A video I came across a Raven and it wasn't coming up on a ping at ~4km away so this could have low signatures too... But I agree Andromeda is a WHOLE lot more ship for a similar amount of money. Unfortunately I think this will be around the $200 mark

  • @TrustSpiders
    @TrustSpiders หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If it had more missiles I would be interested, but 12? Nah....

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, I feel the same way. Maybe if missiles were in a better place, but they're kind of weak atm.

  • @ABrutalAnimal
    @ABrutalAnimal หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It could be the placeholder for the one they announced that is probably a QED version in my hanger. It itself ain't worth shit

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They announced another one?

    • @ABrutalAnimal
      @ABrutalAnimal หลายเดือนก่อน

      @kaventiaplays yes, in the most recent start citizen live they said another sabre that "is the one you all thought the firebird was" is coming soon

  • @johnr3514
    @johnr3514 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    HUGE miss on missle payload. its totally underwhelming. it needed double or even triple the missle payload. and the price will be stupid for what it offers.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah price to be determined, my guess is its probably going ro be around 190

  • @KaizikuM
    @KaizikuM หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's a nice looking ship, but I just don't see the point of a medium sized missile launcher. If it was an up to date version of the Raven, maybe with slightly different functions or something, easy buy. This? Kinda useless, even if it is nice. In Game pick up, if that, for sure.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very much agree with this sentiment, it had a lot of potential for what it could do, stealth fighter combined with quantum snare or quantum dampner could have been amazing. But this option doesn't really carve out a role for itself in the verse.

  • @artsolano6762
    @artsolano6762 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How is this better than a Gladiator?

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      manuverability for dog-fighting (as it has the interceptor archetype), and some people would prefer this one's looks, but in other ways it's probably just not.

    • @artsolano6762
      @artsolano6762 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaventiaplays Speed, good point. In terms of firepower ...
      Guns - Gladiator with a gunner
      Missiles - Gladiator (more than double the dps)
      Gladiator 8 x S2, 4 x S5 - total dps 84560
      Firebird 12 x s3 - total dps 39312
      Speed - Firebird
      Acceleration - Firebird
      Agility ?
      Hitpoints

  • @tekhed9346
    @tekhed9346 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nope, no way. Looks nice though.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      She's pretty sleek.

  • @dailato
    @dailato หลายเดือนก่อน

    It really sucks they can't figure out how to balance missiles and countermeasures at all, they got so scared with missiles being effective that they've made it so missiles can only really hit if your target is asleep or you dumbfire them at point blank range.
    I say it really sucks cause I loved missiles (especially cluster missiles) in wing commander, and having them feel so flacid is just kind of a slap in the face of everyone who bought into a missile ship for their pledge, as they can't even do basic PvE bounties if the AI isn't quite borked enough on that server to simply press the countermeasure button.
    For all the excitement people have for the polaris, I honestly think they will be dissapointed with how few of those mega-torps will even hit something like an idris in the current state of the game, compared to how many will just get flare/chaffed away.
    I hope CIG get a clue soon as to how they actually want to balance various weapon systems cause based on the lack of balance over the past decade they really haven't thought much about it, or they can't figure out how to combine reality (missiles replaced guns for a reason, and its not because counter measures are highly effective) with the vision of CR for WWII flight combat(sub 500m fixed guns on fighters vs bombers with defensive turrets(to be fair these turrets were a lot more effective than they are in game too, cuz fighter-ace-pilot-vision)).

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for your comprehensive comment.
      I feel like there have been some long standing issues with the spacecombat in general. I was a big fan of the previous flight model as I enjoyed racing and felt like I had superior control over my ship. Due to the slowimg down of combat looks like all of the weapons have had a bit of a rebalance. It wouldn't surprise me if missiles were closer to the bottom of the barrel for rebalancing. That being said the Talon Shrike was quite effective in 3.23.
      Overall Mastermodes lower speeds means if AI didn't flare off or shoot down missiles it would be easy mode. Personally I prefer dog-fighting without missiles or kust use them to soften uo the target on the way in.
      I get your issue with missile play vs realism but I think the closer gunplay combat is more fun and nuanced (from a loadout and gameplay perspective).
      Regarding the Polaris and the current state of missiles I agree, having seen and Eclipse pilot wiff more S9 torp shots than he had money to replace, the AI was able to deal with them 6/6 times. I think there is something to be said for learning to dumbfire Eclipse Torps (which is a skill they teach in my Org).
      The other thing that seems to effect how sticky the missiles are is server performance.
      I think torpedo ships and missile boats should have a place in the verse, but right now (even with EM missiles) they feel pretty close to the bottom of the barrel.

  • @-aurality-7928
    @-aurality-7928 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The fact they took EMPs away is so sad

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, it was one of the special sauce elements of Sabre Raven.

  • @baldbritabroad400
    @baldbritabroad400 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Those missiles were useless

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly, yes they were!

  • @FrozenKnight21
    @FrozenKnight21 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The 6 missiles is kind of a gimmick, it only works on the Storm AA because it has 80 of them. With this low count the missiles are only useful in very specific situations after someone else like a Connie, the aforementioned Storm AA, or maybe even the shrike had strained the ship of all of its countermeasures.
    The strength of this ship is not in its missiles, but in its maneuverability and it's half stealth role. Yes, it only got a 20% stealth, instead of the 40% of a full stealth ship.
    However, I'll admit Raven is superior in this role in my opinion as it got the full 40%, maneuvers identically, and its EMP even got a buff, so the sister ship is all around is a superior to this one, I even like the look of the Raven better. These two ships even have a lot of hull HP 23,00 compared to your standard interceptor which is typically 1/5th to 1/10th this.
    Firebird stats:
    SCM SPEED: 240 m/s
    SCM BOOST SPEED FORWARD: 600 m/s
    SCM BOOST SPEED BACKWARD: 260 m/s
    NAV MAX SPEED: 1,400 m/s
    PITCH/YAW/ROLL: 50 / 42 / 160 deg/s
    BOOSTED: 60 / 50 / 192 deg/s
    Compared to
    Talon Shrike stats:
    SCM SPEED: 225 m/s
    SCM BOOST SPEED FORWARD: 500 m/s
    SCM BOOST SPEED BACKWARD: 260 m/s
    NAV MAX SPEED: 1,200 m/s
    PITCH/YAW/ROLL: 70 / 52 / 200 deg/s
    BOOSTED: 84 / 62 / 240 deg/s
    The only ship which is really close to this in usefulness is the Mantis, its stats are all similar but slightly lower on all accounts. Almost all ships I have seen in this category are using 2 s2 weapons except the Saber Raven/Firebird which for some reason got S3's. That doesn't matter that much, but what does matter is that with these ships speed is key. This is why the PVP community loves them so much, because they can do the advanced maneuvers they love.
    So, effectively this ship isn't for the masses. It's for elites who know how to take advantage of the extra movement that it offers.

  • @whiskeyslider
    @whiskeyslider หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just a weaker talon shrike. But if they would have stacked the missiles like you suggest, it would replace my shrike as im not that big a fan of the aesthetics of the talons.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe...

    • @infinityone575
      @infinityone575 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you damn stupid ??? Sabre firebird is still a saber and saber are slayer because they still have stealth capability so they are not suited for long attack run. They come, they destroy a small bunch of small, medium ship, then go away. How can u say its a weaker shrike when they don’t have the same job. People really are nuts to not understand that

    • @jasonhannah7483
      @jasonhannah7483 หลายเดือนก่อน

      wrong,lol

  • @littlefoot2869
    @littlefoot2869 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    no i think it is a waste would paid good money for a raven but such small payload and how many times we going to shoot miss and not there or never hit when sever are bad

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I was really excited to test out the missiles in that Interdiction, and when they pretty much all wiffed I was kind of embarrassed.

  • @DeplorableInfidel71
    @DeplorableInfidel71 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nope, not going to get me on this one cig.

  • @davewills148
    @davewills148 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It seems to be following a CIG trend, and is to all intents a cash grab, CIG did the same with the F7Cmkll, another waste of someones money, there's little to no worth in the small ships, they're just cheap Saturday Night Specials. Although, there's mention of a 'Raven QED' variant dropping soon for those that want a raven clone, should be interesting. This Invictus does have the feeling of being thrown together, and they never really amount to much, i think some are furious over the Polaris being waved in their faces, then being informed they'll have to wait till IAE, i myself dont mind waiting, i'll be far to busy with DCS and the F4-E, but some are dissapointed. Good times

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I quite like the F7A and managed to CCU it for ~50% off and it's now account bound but I figure that I want 1 small or medium fighter in my fleet, I hope as MasterModes evolves Medium lands as a nice balance between DPS and manoeuvrability. Besides I'm stuck with it now! :D

    • @davewills148
      @davewills148 หลายเดือนก่อน

      50%...can't turn your nose up at that, and you are a Content Creator, so its your bread N butter. The new ships are so well thought out and designed, justlook at the little pulse, the F7AMKll is a looker? kudos

  • @gunsmoke9030
    @gunsmoke9030 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    250$ about 220$ too much

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Woah, as much as that!?! You think they'll use the coat-tails of the raven as a justification to bump up the price? That's like MSR territory!

  • @Wayne72LEVRAI
    @Wayne72LEVRAI หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never trust release review because it will be nerfed to the ground in a month, like every new ship.

    • @halseyactual1732
      @halseyactual1732 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Firebird came pre-nerfed.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol, "pre-nerfed" is funny! Honestly feel like it's competent for dog-fighting if you have enough patience for it's low dps.
      I think a lot of ships will be in flux as they dial in MasterModes.

    • @Wayne72LEVRAI
      @Wayne72LEVRAI หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@halseyactual1732 They always do a second pass ;)

  • @GUNJOEXD
    @GUNJOEXD หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    100% lazy cash grab

  • @halseyactual1732
    @halseyactual1732 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lazy cash grab and couldn't even bother to make it not suck.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly it handles nicely (fast and manuverable) i do wonder how muxh they will charge.

  • @SpaceDad42
    @SpaceDad42 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    You people need to learn that the handling and other characteristics WILL be reduced after sales. This happens 100% of the time. Don’t be fooled by these rotten scammers.

    • @kaventiaplays
      @kaventiaplays  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If it keep a similar fligh profile to the Sabre Raven (interceptor) then it will remain pretty agile. But Mastermodes is a very broad brushstroke handling implementation right now, atmospheric control surfaces will likely make a huge difference when implemented.

    • @SpaceDad42
      @SpaceDad42 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaventiaplays
      That’s correct. There will be MANY more flight model changes over the years. This is why it is never a good idea to base or heaven forbid buy a ship based on what it does or doesn’t do now.

    • @Sarazoul
      @Sarazoul หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​​@@kaventiaplays he is still correct though.
      CiG is very slimy when it comes to ship sales and their balancing.
      Look no further than the ursa medicac rover.
      Its sale comes in tandem with a Massive buff to T3 medbeds. This buff could have happened months prior... but it just so happens to arrive just as the Nursa is sold?
      NOT a coincidence.
      And once the Apolo comes out, this will happen again to make the Apolo more attractive than all the t3 medbed vehicles.
      This is CiG 101.
      They over tune a vehicule when its on sake to make you want to buy it.
      Then they screw you over when sales are over (ares Ion anyone?)

    • @SkyTitan_
      @SkyTitan_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m genuinely furious about CIG throwing around with nerfs and call this balance after. I feel like they don’t do longterm combat gameplay to test their own vehicles.

    • @Patch1xo
      @Patch1xo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So what. I love the game and want to support its development. Everyone knows balancing will happen again and again. That’s not a scam. That called game development. But if you don’t enjoy the game, go somewhere else and take the negativity with you.