Finally someone puts up this idea into a video I've been wanting to see in a long time. Using server rack batteries as battery generator expansion pack. Thank you!
@@Jasonoid- All to what you said. And also the value/capacity on money spent in buying one rather than the proprietary one to that brand. Just the syncing of the batteries to charging you lose on the brands. But you already showed this work around in another video so all is a go! Thanks.
@@Jasonoidreat 👍.... Could you do one more test on the Pecron.... Use 48v on one mppt and on the other use 24v to see how the reaction will be with different voltage.... While you are at it hookup the 12v on the 3rd port.... Seems to me that best way to use this full time is charge 48v on 600-1000watts on solar feeding the E2000lfp thus eliminating the brick.... Gives you 7040 watts for $1500 vs 8064 watts for $2800. Throw in a 100amp on small port and you get your missing 1k to be equal with add on stock setup.... Plus the DIY breaks the max limit of 8kw to infinity if you have Elon's money😊
Love the explanation. I made a 48 volt 50 AH setup with mppt controller that can accept 100v 20a of PV charge from the solar panels. I then hook up the Ecoflow Delta 2 max to it to get 500-1000 watts with xt60i cablces. This allows me to charge up my delta 2 max while not being limited a mere 60 VOC from Solar panels limit from its own mppt. I can then simply move the Ecoflow to wherever I need while continuing to store the solar power by having it sent to the 48 volt battery. This is way cheaper than trying to buy the spare battery unit.
hi, this is what im trying to do. Do you take the power from batteries CC to delta or dc load CC to delta? Also does your CC sync with delta batteries or battery pack? And finally what setting did you use on CC UV and OV? thanks
@selmopt I found it simplest to take charge directly from the battery. The charge controller can have issues trying to communicate with the mppt controller on the ecoflow. The charge controller syncs with the battery. I use a victron mppt smart solar 100 volt 20 Amp for the 48 volt variant. I have 4 solar panels in series for about 88 volt voc and 10 amps for around 880 watts.
An excellent topic for those of us with a camper. Upon deciding whether to add an inverter to my slide-in truck camper - I opted to just modify a cabinet in order to slip in my modest EB70 power station. The power station is located above the 100 Ah LiFePO4 battery for the camper. Although I'm limited to a 100 watt recharge rate on the Bluetti, the EB70 is easily installed and removed from its cubby in seconds. The 100 Ah camper battery is kept charged via 175 watts of solar and a DC-DC charger that is connected to the alternator/truck battery.
We definitely need EcoFlow to send you a set of EcoFlow Delta Pro's, the 240v voltage hub and corresponding accessories. Then ask Signature Solar if they will send a rack/stack of (6) 48v 100Ah 30.72kWh server rack batteries to perform heavy 120/240v charge/discharge loads using your EcoFlow Delta Pro's. ^A use case I believe many of us would like to see as an additional option to our existing permanent/mobile installs. Thanks so much for your very helpful, insightful and informative videos.
This seems like a really interesting solution to getting around the Anker 767 solar power input limitations. I’ve been struggling to find a combination of solar panels for my camper van roof that would max out the 1000w input. I would find it really interesting to see a test for this using a smaller and cheaper capacity 48v battery (50Ah?), a quality charge controller and enough solar panels to keep the 48v topped up while outputting close to 1000w to the Anker 767.
Thanks great video again. You answered questions. We had communicated before, anyway I purchased the ECOFLOW Delta 2 Max, being delivered today. I was shopping around for expansion and decided in the EG4 lifepower4 48V. I will use this to expand the Delta 2 Max. I chose the Ecoflo because in addition to an excellent battery was the smart app. My main goal was to move some of my critical loads to the cheaper rate late at night here in Atlanta Georgia. The addition of the EG4 I can get a timer to only come on during the cheaper rate hours to recharge the EG4, small problem to fix. I discovered this video right on time. I will be double checking on cables.
Great video, as usual! I back up my Delta 2 with a 12v 100 ah Battleborn input through the internal MPPT inputs (XT60i) of the D2. Primarily I use it to extend the run time on my furnace in winter in the event of a grid failure. I have thought about using a 12 to 24v buck converter but I don’t know the efficiency loss. When camping I throw the 12v Battleborn into my DIY box and have lots more powering and charging options than a proprietary EB. However, if I didn’t have my two Delta 2s, I would consider the D2 Max and it’s EB…sometimes I think about getting the EB Max for the Delta 2, also using my own backup. My yard and house is shaded by 20 + mature oaks, an elm, an ash and a couple of Cherry trees. So, until winter, very little solar capabilities, so batteries are essential. I did install transfer switches for house back up. Your videos have “powered” a lot of my work, so thank you!
Thanks for sharing your setup! When solar is a struggle batteries might come in handy. I'd prefer the shade from mature trees any day! You can't beat the cooler temps in the summer that shade provides!
@@Jasonoid I once read in terms of carbon offset, putting up solar panels provided a marginally greater benefit than did trees. I don’t know if I believe that but clearly the aesthetics of trees can’t be over rated. So, battery back up it is. BTW: I do have some solar panels from camping and two rigid panels I could use in an emergency…
Another good one. I have been looking into all these options. I want simple but I also want a lot of flexibility. Your videos are enlightening enough to give me more options. Thanks so much.
Nice content, thanks. I don't have a large need for backup batteries in my use cases, but it is great to know that a server rack battery can replace an OEM anytime! Super helpful!
Learned something new today. I did not realized I could hook up the Bluetti charge enhancer as a simultaneous second charge source from my 24V battery (primary connection is a 24V to 48V DC boost converter) setup to charge my AC200P. Thanks again for doing this.
It's useful when trying to dual charge :) You'll have to let me know if it still works using the same source. The charging enhancer doesn't seem to like the 'shared ground' between the enhancer and the mppt when connected to the same battery.
@@Jasonoid I have 2 Power Queen 12V 100Ah batteries connected in series, channeled through my 24V to 48V boost converter into the AC200P solar input. The Bluetti charge enhancer was connected to the same battery and input into the AC port. Happy to say that this works. I was getting 570W (typical with this setup) through the solar port and 226W through the charge enhancer.
Now I am wondering...since I am using the solar input port from the external battery input, the solar panels are disconnected. Can I hook my panels up to a solar charge controller and then to the external battery to charge it while the above setup is in place?
@@robertlueke3238 in other words does your external battery BMS allows passthrough charging to allow charging it via solar at the same time you are discharging via boost converter to DC port? Perhaps an interesting test idea for a video...🤔
Another excellent video. I appreciate how you explained that this does NOT add capacity to these power stations, it is simply charging them from another source, which can be done (with most of them) while they are in use. This effectively extends their run-time and I like how you articulated that distinction. I am using a variety of "2nd-life" batteries, like the 24v 9.6AH units you got from Battery Hookup. I like building stuff myself, even though there are definitely mistakes made along the way. I think the brand-specific options for truly adding capacity to these larger power stations are cool, but also insanely over-priced. I personally feel that if you need the kind of capacity they advertise with their add-on batteries, you're probably getting out of the "portable" space and you would be better served with a component-based system, at that point. Love your work!
Great comment Jason, I appreciate you watching the video and sharing your setup. I think there is a lot of value in finding used batteries and repurposing them :) They are usually CHEAP! haha
Great Video as always. I experimented like you for my Delta 2. I bought the Eco Worthy 51.2V. 50ah for $579 on sale free shipping. Getting the full 500w input with the XT60i Cable. Recharge battery with solar.
My delta 2 came with a xt60i for the car charger. So do you actually need the xt60i for full amperage? Is the side pin connected to positive or negative side?
I use solar generators for emergency blackouts (Texas Freeze 2021). Since the manufactures backup batteries are only two to three hundred dollars more than a base unit, I purchase multiple base units. If I had to bug out I can easily grab them and the portable solar panels, as opposed to cheaper, but more unwieldy, 24v batteries.
That's a great point. I have heard of a couple of viewers now doing the same thing. Why not have two fully functional units instead of a battery that is expensive and can't do much. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I think the way you did. After the Texas freeze I bought a 2nd Delta max instead of the extension battery. Also have the Honda generator I can use to charge them in case of inclement weather also, that way you just run the Honda generator for a couple of hours to charge them instead of running it all night long.
We are testing a more powerful replaceable portable power station, the replaceable battery weight is very light, but more capacity, if you are interested, you can follow us.
@@shelley131Ecoflow told me that the Delta 2 Max main unit can't be connected to another main unit, only to an expansion battery. Is that not true? Were you able to connect two main units together?
This video gave me some good ideas. Yes the 48v battery will charge the fastest.......but it will keep charging till you disconnect it. If I had a large capacity 24v battery with a slower charging speed. It would be cool to have that just top off my main Ecoflow DPU system everynight slowly. My solar array is mostly East then South, West isn't really an option because of trees. So something like this on multiple bad solar days would be a great insurance policy. The way my roof panels are on my home is weird 4 panels, Three 360 watt panels in series but one extra panel on a seperate string not to go over 150volts. (on an old bluetti setup 2s-2p is a no go because of the amp max i used to have I think it was 10 or 12 I forgot) but that solo 360 panel is a great slow charge panel
I just added the battery I ripped out of the broken Milin to the AC200P yesterday. I have a 180w panel into a separate MPPT Charging the Milin battery, and the XT90 from that battery plugged into the DC Charging Enhancer. I am not doing it to extend, I am doing it to try and smooth out the input. I vote for the DIY setup as I don't trust being tied into a proprietary battery. I think a 48v server rack, or series capable 12v lifepo4 is the way to go. They are modular and hence repairable, and easy to connect to anything. When the Milin died I couldn't repair it, I just had to disassemble it and take out the core which is just the batteries and a BMS.
Informative video. I think you should look into why that Bluetti Charging Enhancer, rated at 500w max@8.2A, put out over 700w. Those things are designed to be connected directly to car batteries which can supply hundreds of amps.
I guess they didn't ever expect to have it connected to a 48v battery. It works fine with 12v and 24v batteries, it even works fine with 48v solar panels... weird stuff.
I am not sure, if Jasonoid followed the startup procedure when using the EG4-LL, 1) connect the Bluetti Charging Enhancer to AC200MAX, 2) connect the 48V EG4-LL V2 battery to the Bluetti Charging Enhancer with its breaker & BMS switch both off, 3) close the EG4-LL breaker first, then turn the BMS switch on. This slowly brings up the EG4-LL 48V output voltage by placing & removing a current limiting resistor in-line. I plan to do the same with EG4-LL V1 batteries (using my Bluetti Charging Enhancer) and have my Victron MPPT charge the batteries . I have 900 watts of solar already going to the solar input of my AC200MAX. I have noticed that ( unfortunately) the AC200MAX doesn't always gives 100 % priority to its 900 watt solar input and tends to use the power coming through its AC charging port ( i.e., via the Charging Enhancer ).
It's wild that I see those K2 units on this video, as at the moment I'm testing one of those exact batteries right now for capacity - except mine is over 10 years old. So far so good, it's at about 90% of its stated 245.8wh capacity with a ~9 watt load, after a full recharge. It has seen very little use over that 10 years, so it seems that the shelf life for infrequent use cases is really good. The discharge curve is ridiculously flat, going from 26.1 to 25V over nearly 21 hours of testing. (It has gone from 25 to 24V over the past hour, so it might be getting close to dropping). Mine's rated at 245.8Wh, 9.6Ah. Now that I know they are still around, I need to check the specs on current units. Edit: checked battery hookup, turns out they are selling used older units with the same specs as mine. K2 Energy does still exist, the new units have a bump from 9.6 to 11Ah, but they are still charging prices from 10 years ago.
Awesome vid, have been looking into building my own system or having a backup power system for quite some time & signature solar is, I feel, one of if not the best companies around. Building your own is very accomplishing & much cheaper. 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
thanks for the video, my take away diy expansion batteries are almost always cheaper per additional capacity added, but requires more work on yourself, while the expansion batteries are simple plug and play. shop around sometimes you can get great deals on diy solutions, but if you want a headache free solution, the expansion batteries are a simple solution.
Ok, now lets hook up the server rack battery directly to the solar generator😮, no extra battery chargers, no converter loss! Just purchased bluetti 180, I'm going in🤪👍
Great videos and excellent content Jason. So what would the hook up look like for a direct hook up to a Pecron E600LFP to get maximum charging of a 48 volt server rack battery. @@Jasonoid
That's a bit complicated to explain in one youtube comment. If you want a break down of all the parts you'd need for that setup, fill out a form here: asqme.com/@Jasonoid
What up Doe Dr J' I really like the diy extended charging setup compared to the expansion battery from either company. The diy setup has multiple options and you can add more capacity down the line. Also as you mentioned, you can hookup an solar array as well Great job 👍🏻
Thank you now I know what it cost to get something shipped to me now I know what to add into the cost for what I need to have the buy something when I go and buy their batteries or converters or there solar panels altogether but then I just figure I got a x 3 for shipping alone. Thanks for that.
Excellent video. I would most likely buy an expansion battery for the power station if they were available. If not, then I would use the alternative method of charging with a stand alone battery.
The expansion battery isn't talking to the power station so all it's really doing is charging it. Why not just use a stand-alone inverter connected to the expansion battery and charge via AC?
Either option is available, this was just a video to show a couple different options. I like to use DC to DC charging when possible since it's more efficient and why purchase a second inverter when the power station already has a good inverter?
Because inverters are inefficient, loud and produce a lot of heat. Mine is 90% efficient but it’s fab is occasionally loud and it heats up the space where my batteries and inverter sit. And I live in 100 degree weather so adding heat to the battle is ironic. My bluetti produces little heat, and I’m looking into the delta 2 I hope they also limit heat output
You led me here from a previous question on another video. Thank you! One thing i will say is with my Delta 2 test like your my xt60i cord feel warm. Its pushing 178 watts and the wire temp was about 80 to 90 degrees f. Well below what the 12awg can handle, but it was something i noticed. Maybe you did too?
Jason: Assuming your PV array output voltage is over 60v, would it be possible to use a charge controller with a 60+v input and a 48v output to charge the Anker Solix 3800 directly into the XT60 port(s)? Thanks
The proprietary expansion batteries for portable power stations are murderously expensive. Granted they might have an integrated BMS for charging purposes, but I've always wondered who actually buys them. Oftentimes it doesn't cost much more to just get a second power station. I just don't get the marketing logic... I've been expecting their price to fall but it isn't happening. Seems unlikely they are getting a ROI for the development time and production resources put into them.
One thing wasn’t clear to me. So on the bluetti 200max was the pv mode on or was the car charge mode on for each battery type? Also is there a way to charge the 48v or 24 volt from the 12v DC 30 amp output? Boost converter would work, right? Be nice if power could go both ways especially when solar is in excess during the day. You could use an AC charger but avoiding the conversion losses is my goal. The boost converter has maybe 10% loss.
The Bluetti AC200MAX kinda selects the charging mode on its own. If the voltage is under 32v, it usually defaults to car charging mode and you can't change it. Charging from the 30 amp DC output could be possible if you had a 10 amp DC to DC charger.
Jason, WELL DONE!! A much needed solar power video that answered questions about this subject that has been overlooked by many.Thanks for the tool links but also wondered if you had an Amazon store for Jasonoid that we could buy from? Also could you provide links for Anderson power pole connectors and the inverter in this video please? Also what amperage for the Anderson connecters , 30 or 40 amp?Thanks for another clearly explained video on this subject material.
I use the 30 amp Anderson connectors. Here's an old video I did on how to crimp them... parts are in the video description. Warning... its old so it may be a little cheesy compared to my newer stuff: th-cam.com/video/bZHh3nWXtkw/w-d-xo.html
K so what if I have delta 2 max combined with the 48 V battery like you have done but I want to use the EcoFlow 800 watt alternator charger to charge BOTH battery’s while driving? How do I do that? Power only flows one way through the solar input cable!?
Hi Jason, as always you continue to deliver great content in your videos that are very informative and helpful especially to the population that are not electronic engineers or solar geniuses like myself. Do you know if I can use the XT60i on my delta max that only has the regular XT60 plug? Also, would I get any benefit from using an XT60i in the future if I was to attempt to make a custom cable on my own? This video was perfect timing for me as I have been considering using a 12V battery to charge my Jackeries I use for my cpap/bipap machines. Would you ever consider doing a video showing step by step instructions on how to make cables with different connectors like battery clamps to xt60, mc4's , etc. Also would not mind if you could recommend which type of multimeters to buy. I don't know if I need to buy two like one with clamps that measure current or the one with probes and such. Love your work, thank you for sharing.
The Xt60i is compatible with all Delta power stations. You'll need to use it to get the most power. I'm not sure how the adapter is wired internally so it's best to purchase the MC4 to Xt60i adapter from EcoFlow to know it works properly.
Maybe I missed it, but make sure your battery has a BMS to protect it from over discharge. I made a cable with a 6s BMS to go between my 6s batteries and the solar power station , i.e. only need one BMS for multiple batteries.
Great video..Thank you for showing this. A lot of those power stations have internal battery voltages of up to 45V or higher. Since the input range on some of them is as low is 11V, does that mean they are using some sort of MPPT controller that boosts and as well as bucks the voltage? Most MPPT SCC require the PV voltage to be at least 2 volts higher than the battery voltage! But I guess these have the capability of boosting as well because so many people charge with their 13.4V autos?
Jason I can't get the Bluetti D050S charge enhancer in my country. Will a step up boost MPPT controller wired up to the Bluetti AC200 Max 8mm port work? I could set the step up at the 58.8V output equal to a charge enhancer output. There's a step up 400W MPPT controller made by ELEJOY that is programmable that could be set to 58.8V max voltage. With 2x 200W solar panels in series with about 50Voc combined and 9A, that could work if it is stepped up to 58.8V and the amps would drop to about 8A or less, and of course with dc-dc converter losses along the way it should not exceed the D050S charger specs. The ELEJOY MPPT boost controller is only $35 approx, so much cheaper than the Bluetti D050S if only I can source that 7.9 or 8mm plug Bluetti uses!
Excellent video! EG4 has some really great products. I am looking at this option for my AC200MAX. I already have 2 of the B230 batteries and 2 of the DC charging enhancers. I am wondering if the AC200MAX is experiencing a problem that was observed on the Pecron, ie, some kind of loop by using the same source on the two different inputs. I haven't checked with the server rack battery as i have yet to purchase one, but the charging enhancer definitely works by hooking a PV 350 panel to the AC charger input and 2 of the PV350 panels (in series) to the PV input. I suspect that having a common ground between the 2 inputs may be causing the problem. About twice a year, Signature Solar offers free shipping so keep an eye out if you want to order something from them.
I think that by adding 15A or 20A blocking diode to each of the ground returns to the battery (15A will loose about 9 watts and 20A will loose about 12 watts), this would break the common ground of the battery or multiple batteries and allow Pecron and Bluetti to use both inputs from the same battery if the common ground is indeed the problem. I'm going to order some and try them out.
I am planning to run my 48v EG4 server rack battery with the Bluetti charge enhancer on my AC200max, but ~900W solar on the other input. I’m hoping for no over-current issue as in your video. It also appears that the AC200max also doesn’t let you prioritize solar for dual charging, but rather gives the max from any input. I guess the best thing is to run enough loads while charging, so you don’t care so much.
Great Video,,just want to ask,,if all works well, is there any risk of damage to the internal batteries. In the short or long run both being lifepo4...
Would be nice to see round trip efficiency using the battery as input and then how to recharge, off DC from power station or AC? Might be a speed vs efficiency factor gained
I haven't ran any capacity tests yet. They list the tested capacity in the product listing on the website. I am using these 24v batteries for my daughters power wheel ATV and realized I can use this in a TH-cam video as well haha
Thank you for this information. In regards to recharging the external lithium battery, the Dr. Prepare 12v 100Ah battery, how do you go about recharging that battery once it is depleted? Can you just plug in a 12v DC adapter from 120v AC wall outlet? Like let’s say the wall adaptor that comes with a car refrigerator for example? (120v AC in with 14.5v DC out at 4.1A or 60 Watts) Will the BMS auto shut-off the recharge when completely full?
You'd have to manually charge the battery up. It's best to use a dedicated LFP battery charger or solar charge controller like either of these: amzn.to/3XzQo1j (AC Charger) amzn.to/3CVrdgg (solar charge controller) I wouldn't recommend using just a power supply but technically the BMS should stop charging when it hits a certain voltage. But it will start and stop charging over and over unless you disconnect the power supply.
Hey. Enjoyed the video. I was hoping you could do one on charging the Oukitel/ffpower p2001 from the 48v lifepower. I have a couple of the lifepower, and I am reluctant to plug them in directly since the P2001 says max 48v input. The Lifepower outputs 51.2. Would I need a DC to DC convert to ensure it is precisely 48v? Please provide a video on making cables and keeping the polarity for XT60 correct. The p2001 I bought (as you recommended) was the older version with Anderson connectors instead of XT60. Also, cables with ring terminals, MC4 connectors, Anderson, etc., to handle any situation. Perhaps affiliate links to materials or premade cables. Also. I found what looks to be the EPEVER MPPT Charge controller you showed, but all looked to handle a max of 36V. All of the 48V units were much more expensive.
The Oukitel / FFpower units are not compatible with these higher voltage 48v/51.2v batteries. The true voltage is even higher when at a full charge (usually around 56v to 57v). You may be able to find a DC to DC voltage reducer that will take the 48v output and drop it down to a lower usable voltage.
Would this be same process for the f3800? Would I be able to get two solar inputs from 1 rack battery? I am considering getting a charge verter as a way to hook up to a non inverter generator
The Delta Pro also uses a 48v lfp battery so it would perform very similar to the Delta 2 Max, you'd want to have at least one battery for each Delta Pro for that to work with 240v.
This is awesome, thank you! I was looking at the EG4 48V to supplement my new ANKER SOLIX F3800. As you mentioned the add on batteries are crazy expensive. How would I charge the EG4? The Anker has dual solar charging inputs with 1200 V max each or 2400 total. Thanks! Love your channel
I use this solar charge controller to charge mine back up: amzn.to/41P6SFb I have a few different arrays that I swap around between different battery systems. You could also use a AC wall charger to charge it back up seen on this website: signaturesolar.com/shop-all/batteries/battery-chargers/
Quick question Jason, great videos BTW, do you happen to know what type of plug the Bluetti AC200 Max and charge enhancer use to that 58.8V 8A input where a.c. input also goes? Is it a DC7909 plug?
@@marcdoll5632 those look like 5521 barrel ports. If they have a pretty large middle pin, they are the 5525 ports. Take a look at the ports for the 12v ouput, those are 5521, so if they are the same size or larger you know what they are.
when you buy extended batteries that come with a power station are they used to charge the battery or are they used as a 2nd battery source? Also inn your example can you charge these batteries somehow? I am trying to understand the benefit of how you are using these as a 2nd battery source, seems like you would be better off to just use an inverter rather that using these to charge another system with it.
THIS is NOT an "extender".... EVERY one of these "Capacity Extenders" videos have ONLY shown how to basically CHARGE the Solar Box at ~100 to 150 watts or so when home AC or solar is not available. To be actually called an "extender" a DC voltage of what the inverter operates requires, needs to be input to the DEDICATED "external battery jack" which then would power the rail or buss voltage of the inverter, "usually" around 48 volts or so.... MEASURE TO BE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF THE INVERTER VOLTAGE REQUIREMENT....
5:02 interesting, I thought that the input should not exceed 15A (a battery can deliver much more) but it is in fact ecoflow which limits the input to 15A maximum. So we can also connect as many solar panels in parallel (10 for example) if we don't exceed 15A!? (nor exceed the max voltage 150V of course)
@id ok thank you, is it the same for micro inverters like the enphase iq7 or iq8, can we connect a battery to the mpp of a micro inverter to produce at night for example? is the micro inverter limit itself the Ampers ?
@@Richi42 I have no experience with micro inverters so I can't say yes or no. From my understanding an micro inverter should be able to take in power from either a battery or a solar panel.
@@Jasonoid I also have the impression given your experience in the video I imagine that the mppt of a micro inverter is identical to those in the ecoflow or blueti that you tested. I think I'll try this myself. Thank you for your quick responses and for the video.
Great video! ..... Question -- Using the process you've outlined in the video, can you connect the battery to, let's use the 48 volt EG4 battery, to one of those "All in one" charge controller / inverters to keep that battery fully charged in the day with using a max perimeter of solar panels of the inverter (meaning, you've got a lot of solar panels connected to the inverter and the inverter charges the battery)? I hope that question makes sense.... Thoughts?
SO to clarify, you'd want to take an existing 48v all in one inverter setup (with a 48v battery) and then charge it via the solar input port using a second 48v battery? Just wanted to make sure I understood.
Great video! I have a AC200P and 24v LiFePO4 and I also didn't know you can simultaneous dual charge from the same battery. I will try that with my Bluetti DC Charging Enhancer. In my case, what fuse and cable size do you recommend to connect the AC200p and 24v? If I go with a 48v battery, would that existing wire and fuse setup work? I'm interested in the 48v EG4 for the future but not sure how that rack mount battery will do inside a trailer storage compartment. Do you have a coupon code for the EG4? Thanks for all your great videos and instruction!
12awg wire will be fine with both batteries. The AC200P has a limit of 12 amps and 12 awg wire is rated at 20 amps max. Only the voltage is changing with each battery and the amps are staying the same. No discount code right now for the EG4 batteries.
Similar point…if the 48 volt battery was hooked up thru xt60 connectors and with delta 2 max at full charge, …and the the delta 2 max went into pass thru mode, do you believe the 48 volt battery would work to flow thru and power recipient 12 volt draw appliances…until it exhausted and then delta 2 max would kicked in from its full battery?
Yes, that's how it would work. The 48v battery would keep the internal battery of the power station full until it dies, then it will use the internal battery.
Nice video. Why did you choose 12 AWG Stranded Tinned Copper Wire vs 10 AWG? Are the Ring Crimp Terminals Connectors inside diameters large enough to fit the LiTime M8 terminal bolts?
You could definitely go with 10 awg wire if you want. Most of the power stations have a 10 amp limit and with 12 awg wire being rated for 20 amps it's worked just fine for this application.
The only real negative is not being able to hook up an expandable battery to the main unit and have it charge! It would be great to be able to charge it from solar through the main unit.
if you plugged in a stand alone wall charger to the main unit while the main unit was pulling solar it would then charge the expansion battery not clean and tidy but it would work
@Jasonoid -- Another excellent video! Thank you!! 😃 I'm curious, would it be safe to leave the leave these batteries connected to a charger *and* a power station 24/7? For example, connecting the 48V LiFePO4 charger to the EG4 server rack battery so it's always topped off, but also leaving it connected to the power station as well to give a "semi-permanent" capacity upgrade. What are your thoughts? 🤓
When I leave my EG4 48v connected to my AC500 overnight it keeps the power ststion at 100%SOC. It will charge at 750 watts and the stop charging and then charge again on and off. I haven't seen any issues with it long term on my power station.
@Jasonoid when you put a fuse on the positive line when doing this, what size should you use? For example, for connecting a 24V battery and an Ecoflow Delta 2 or Delta Pro would you use a 20-amp or 30-amp fuse?
Sorry for the late question, did the Anker have passthrough charging on dc extended battery? Trying to determine if the extended battery will be used up first during Anker charging (less then 100%) until empty then the remaining Anker battery is being used until 0%? I hope the question makes sense :)
Yes, the expansion battery will keep the power station full until the expansion battery dies. Once the expansion battery is dead, the power station will start dropping in battery percentage. This will be the case as long as DC charging input is higher than the load. If the load going out of the power station is bigger, the power station will drop in battery capacity.
Apologies - MY BAD for being a dick.... My soon to be delivered E2000LFP will be "in hand" to test. Your observation of inputting 24 volts into the solar jack with NO charging is probably due to the input rating being 32 to 95 volts-600 watts max, and when it only see's a 24 volt input, it takes a dump.... I was surprised to see that the 18 volt max on the DC5521 jack DID work with the 24 volt - 111 watt charge rate. For minimal loads like mine, (100 watts to run my refer overnight), the 110 watts would equal a net power usage of ~zero.... When you consider that to use a 48 volt battery supply, you would need four 12.8 volt 100, AH LiFePO4 batteries in series that would cost ~1200 bucks and ONLY provide an additional - LIMITED - 518 watts input to the main box.... It is then that you realize that the EB3000 extra battery @ ~ $1399 - WITH a 3072 WH rating, is really a GOOD DEAL.... FYI - The current models specs the two solar inputs at 32-95 volts 600 watt x 2.... Sometimes what may seem like a HIGH PRICED extra battery, is really more cost effective AND have MORE wattage capacity, (2.5 times more), to boot....
Cool idea, but in this screenshot how did the batteries get charged in the first place? Is the suggested expansion to get a charger and battery? Is there a more efficient way to charge the battery with the power station?
I charge these batteries with solar panels and charge controllers. I did put out this video today.... but it's not a fast charging method: th-cam.com/video/-86sypG9goc/w-d-xo.html
I wonder if there is a way to hook up solar panels to both the external battery and the solar generator at the same time. During the day solar could power the inverter while charging the main solar generator and external battery, then at night switch to the external battery hooked up to the solar generator input and have this done by a timing switch or sensor that determines when the solar output is too low and then switches. I hope this makes sense. Good video. Thanks
It wouldn't be able to handle the voltage difference between the sources. You can only charge from one source at a time. One way around this would be to have your external battery always charging with solar and connected to your power station. Then you power station is always full / charging and the battery is being charged from solar.
@Jasonoid. Please excuse a newbie question. For Bluetti ac200 Max how would you connect the external battery to input into the Bluetti at the same time as you're pulling solar?
So let’s say you want to charge your EG4 48v battery using solar with your favored EPEVER charge controller while also charging your AC200MAX from the charge controller load terminals. Does this work, and if so, how well? While the 48v battery can give more capacity to a solar generator like the AC200MAX, it seems to require too much fiddling and cable swapping. I have four 360W panels, but may have to configure them in 2s2p to stay under 150VOC for the affordable charge controllers.
Interesting idea on using the load output of the charge controller to charge the AC200max, I haven't ever tested that. I don't really see a reason for using the load output on the charge controller vs just connecting it to the 48v battery directly since it has a built in BMS and will keep it from being discharged to far. Why would you want to use the load terminals? Just curious since I may be missing a genius idea here haha
@@tomhouck3476 so the charge controller will charge your 48v battery, and the you'll have the AC200max connected to the 48v battery terminals. The charge controller won't do both from the charging output, but it technically doesnt need to since the AC200max will get charged from the 48v battery itself.
So.... if the power station was under load, would pass-thru mode actually draw more power from the external battery to keep your stuff powered (at least with the non-cig DC inputs) in addition to the paltry re-charge wattages that you demonstrated? THAT would actually EXTEND the capacity in WHours vs just another means to recharge when you are "dark".
If the power station is charging at a faster rate than the load going out, then the external battery will keep the power station full until it's dead. The power station will start to deplete once the external battery is dead.
Thanks for doing this. I've been considering doing this. I have an AC200 Max and have read of people using a 48 volt battery with the charging enchancer and it working fine. Can your try using the charging enchancer plugged into the unit by itself? (Without the 48v battery also powering the main solar/dc port)
The AC200P would perform and the same at 12v and 24v, it has a 12 amp limit as higher charging rates so it would get around 624 watts at 52 volts (the 48 volt battery).
How long would this 48 volt server battery last in powering up an eco flow delta 2 max…. If delta 2 max has power storage of 0,…fully depleted charge level… And it needs 2048 watts at 12 volts to a full charge…how many times could your 48 volt battery recharge the delta 2 max before the 48 volt battery needed recharging.
I dont see how you connected the battery to the station. What cables are used to safely make that happen and to what outlets and why those outlets. How to get those cables?
Most power stations will limit the current to 15 amps or less so ide recommend 12awg or 10awg wire for the custom cable. I like to have an inline fuse for the postive wire just in case. You'll need to attach whatever adapter your power station charging port uses on one end and you can use normal ring terminals on the battery side.
Do you make your own cable ends to go from the batteries to the inputs for the portable power stations? Or did you buy them and can give us the links? I would like to see more info about connecting safely, as I want to get one or two 12V mini batteries to do this kind of charging for my power stations sometimes.
I make all my own cables so I can make the cables the right length and use connections that fit my setup. Heres a video about making your own Anderson PowerPole connectors: th-cam.com/video/bZHh3nWXtkw/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for this video. I was planning on buying a 48v 200ah lifepo4 battery instead of buying the bluetti extention battery. How do you charge the 48v battery with solar panels? I have the ac200max.
You'll need to purchase a solar charge controller that's compatible with 48v batteries. You connect solar panels to the charge controller and then connect the charge controller to the battery. This is the one I use: amzn.to/3uTXHXe
Hi, im new at this solar stuff, i have the bluetti ac 200p, and six 200w 12v solar panels, my question is, will they charge up that 48v LFP server rack battery. Hope to hear from you, thanks.
Jason, have you experimented with used house solar panels, using them to charge solar generators? It looks like they can be purchased pretty cheap, like $80 for a 260 watt panel.
It works just fine on power stations, as long as the voltage meets the input requirements of the power station and you don't go over the max input voltage.
@@Jasonoid Thank you for indulging me. So voltage cannot be exceeded, but having too many amps or watts can be handled by the solar generator, it will just take what it needs?
As mentioned in many comments below, an expansion battery can be expensive. But there are millions of golf cart batteries doing nothing. How would you hook up a 48v 110ah 6.24KWh lifiepo 4 battery to an Anker Powerstation. I have an Anker Solis F3800 being delivered next month and would to have this as additional backup.
Connect an xt60 pig tail to your golf cart battery and plug it into the charging port of the power station. Put a 20 amp fuse on the postive line. Easy peasy
@Jasonoid great video, always have creative content. My power station has a 15A Anderson input that allows up to 150 volts. I just want to hook up a 24v battery to my power station. I found a o ring terminal to Anderson cord on Amazon (rated for 45A), but how do I make sure it does not go over 15A when transferring energy from battery to power station? Any direction would be much appreciated. Thank you.
Hi. Im a bit confused. I have the delta max 2000 acting as a battery backup to my freezer if utility power goes out. If i want to increase the length of time the system wilk run if utility power does go out i can either 1) buy the delta extra battery or 2) do as you do in this video , buy mu own battery. ...... my confusion is this : i dont want the extra battery to charge up the internal battery , i want the extra battery to essentially increase the capacity of the the internal battery. I other words , i want to plug in the originak system , plug in the extra battery and leave everything fullly charged so that if the utility power goes out then i have both batteries supporting the freezer. What am i missing here. ? Does this mean i really need the extra battery from delta ?
The extra battery charging up the power station is increasing the length of time your system can run. Store both the power station and the battery at 100% charged and youll be good to go when the power goes out 👍
I just purchased the AC200L through your link you provided yesterday on another video. Any idea where it maxes out to charge? Is it 1200W like the specs or is it limited by the 48V battery? Additionally, what are your thoughts on wiring up an inverter to the 48V and charging via AC Input to increase? I wouldn’t want to use anything crazy maybe something like a 1500-2k watt inverter. Is there a better way to doing this that you might recommend?
It will charge at around 825 watts with a 48v battery server rack battery. This is the breakdown of that power: 55volts @ 15 amps = 825 watts (average) A 48v server rack battery has a peak voltage of 59v and when fully discharged it goes down to 48v. I don't think you would need an inverter to increase that speed. You could use a 2000w inverter to charge the AC200L at 1500 to 1800 watts, but you'll lose extra power through efficiency losses of going from DC power to AC power, back to DC power.
@@Jasonoid Got it thanks, and would this be compatible with the budget friendly version of the SOK (SOK SK48V100-NCBT - 48V 100Ah) ? Relatively the same process? Just trying to go the most cost effective route to expand my battery and also would be nice to use a server rack as i can be more flexible in any future systems.
Cool video and tests. Have you done any testing with gas/propane generators as a fall back plan for when the sun is limited and your solar gen is running low? I bought a regular, non inverter, Tri fuel generator from Costco prior to getting into Solar generators. I am wondering if there is a way to put an inverter or charge controller in front of by Bluetti AC500 that would clean up the power from the Tri fuel generator without having to go through the fun of selling it and getting an inverter generator. Any thoughts or advice are appreciated. Thanks!
Maybe you can buy a dedicated UPS / power filter to put on the output of the generator? That will cleanup the power from the generator before it goes into a power station. These power stations are pretty picky when it comes to charging input. They want 110v-120v and 60hz.
If you decide to expand your setup with 48v battery as in the video, I believe you can get EG4 Chargeverter and use your current generator. That way you will get clean charging into the 48v battery and then use the DC input to charge your Bluetti AC400. Good luck.
Hi Jayson, thanks for the info on these units.. I purchased a pecron e2000lfp a few days ago and when i first and only time used the ac charger it did this.After a full charge using the AC charger the light will go green for about 5 seconds then red and start charging at 550 watts for about 5 seconds then back to green, off and then 5 seconds red and charging again with nothing plugged into the ac outlets or dc outlets. when i picked up the ac charger while running it made a loud noise like a bearing was failing then normal again. It wont stop charging the unit with no load on it. I have tried to contact pecron LLC for support on the issue but so far have not contacted me with any relavent information after two days. thanks for any info you can provide me as im new to solar.
So you're saying once it's full the charger stops charging, then after a few minutes it turns back on briefly and then turns off? It feels like the charger is trying to keep the battery topped off constantly. Did their support team get back to you? They are always responsive to my viewers issues.
@@Jasonoid The issue resolved itself I fully charged it using the DC voltage display and when it topped out it cycled off and on a few times I think it balances the cells out and then it finally stopped so it seems okay now. Thanks for the reply.
why nobody asks how to charge additional batteries? power station extensions cost more coz of comfort, where you don't need to charge your additional batteries manually.
the newest bluetti ac200L has a 48 volt plug.. we americans would like to ask.. what is the 48 volt plug for.. I have asked this on a bunch of channels on here and have yet to get an honest answer or any answer at all.. still waiting..
Finally someone puts up this idea into a video I've been wanting to see in a long time. Using server rack batteries as battery generator expansion pack. Thank you!
I hope the video is popular for people to see how easy it is :) It's a great solution!
@@Jasonoid- All to what you said. And also the value/capacity on money spent in buying one rather than the proprietary one to that brand. Just the syncing of the batteries to charging you lose on the brands. But you already showed this work around in another video so all is a go! Thanks.
@@Jasonoidreat 👍.... Could you do one more test on the Pecron.... Use 48v on one mppt and on the other use 24v to see how the reaction will be with different voltage.... While you are at it hookup the 12v on the 3rd port.... Seems to me that best way to use this full time is charge 48v on 600-1000watts on solar feeding the E2000lfp thus eliminating the brick.... Gives you 7040 watts for $1500 vs 8064 watts for $2800. Throw in a 100amp on small port and you get your missing 1k to be equal with add on stock setup.... Plus the DIY breaks the max limit of 8kw to infinity if you have Elon's money😊
What Sort Of Sorcery Is This ? 🤔
Love the explanation. I made a 48 volt 50 AH setup with mppt controller that can accept 100v 20a of PV charge from the solar panels.
I then hook up the Ecoflow Delta 2 max to it to get 500-1000 watts with xt60i cablces.
This allows me to charge up my delta 2 max while not being limited a mere 60 VOC from Solar panels limit from its own mppt.
I can then simply move the Ecoflow to wherever I need while continuing to store the solar power by having it sent to the 48 volt battery.
This is way cheaper than trying to buy the spare battery unit.
Yep, that's a great way to charge your units and expand them!
hi, this is what im trying to do. Do you take the power from batteries CC to delta or dc load CC to delta? Also does your CC sync with delta batteries or battery pack? And finally what setting did you use on CC UV and OV? thanks
@selmopt I found it simplest to take charge directly from the battery. The charge controller can have issues trying to communicate with the mppt controller on the ecoflow.
The charge controller syncs with the battery. I use a victron mppt smart solar 100 volt 20 Amp for the 48 volt variant.
I have 4 solar panels in series for about 88 volt voc and 10 amps for around 880 watts.
An excellent topic for those of us with a camper. Upon deciding whether to add an inverter to my slide-in truck camper - I opted to just modify a cabinet in order to slip in my modest EB70 power station. The power station is located above the 100 Ah LiFePO4 battery for the camper. Although I'm limited to a 100 watt recharge rate on the Bluetti, the EB70 is easily installed and removed from its cubby in seconds. The 100 Ah camper battery is kept charged via 175 watts of solar and a DC-DC charger that is connected to the alternator/truck battery.
Thats an excellent way to add an inverter / light / and USB charging to your rig. Simple and it works well!
We definitely need EcoFlow to send you a set of EcoFlow Delta Pro's, the 240v voltage hub and corresponding accessories.
Then ask Signature Solar if they will send a rack/stack of (6) 48v 100Ah 30.72kWh server rack batteries to perform heavy 120/240v charge/discharge loads using your EcoFlow Delta Pro's.
^A use case I believe many of us would like to see as an additional option to our existing permanent/mobile installs. Thanks so much for your very helpful, insightful and informative videos.
This seems like a really interesting solution to getting around the Anker 767 solar power input limitations. I’ve been struggling to find a combination of solar panels for my camper van roof that would max out the 1000w input.
I would find it really interesting to see a test for this using a smaller and cheaper capacity 48v battery (50Ah?), a quality charge controller and enough solar panels to keep the 48v topped up while outputting close to 1000w to the Anker 767.
Thanks great video again. You answered questions. We had communicated before, anyway I purchased the ECOFLOW Delta 2 Max, being delivered today. I was shopping around for expansion and decided in the EG4 lifepower4 48V. I will use this to expand the Delta 2 Max. I chose the Ecoflo because in addition to an excellent battery was the smart app. My main goal was to move some of my critical loads to the cheaper rate late at night here in Atlanta Georgia. The addition of the EG4 I can get a timer to only come on during the cheaper rate hours to recharge the EG4, small problem to fix. I discovered this video right on time. I will be double checking on cables.
Great video, as usual! I back up my Delta 2 with a 12v 100 ah Battleborn input through the internal MPPT inputs (XT60i) of the D2. Primarily I use it to extend the run time on my furnace in winter in the event of a grid failure. I have thought about using a 12 to 24v buck converter but I don’t know the efficiency loss. When camping I throw the 12v Battleborn into my DIY box and have lots more powering and charging options than a proprietary EB. However, if I didn’t have my two Delta 2s, I would consider the D2 Max and it’s EB…sometimes I think about getting the EB Max for the Delta 2, also using my own backup. My yard and house is shaded by 20 + mature oaks, an elm, an ash and a couple of Cherry trees. So, until winter, very little solar capabilities, so batteries are essential. I did install transfer switches for house back up. Your videos have “powered” a lot of my work, so thank you!
Thanks for sharing your setup! When solar is a struggle batteries might come in handy. I'd prefer the shade from mature trees any day! You can't beat the cooler temps in the summer that shade provides!
@@Jasonoid I once read in terms of carbon offset, putting up solar panels provided a marginally greater benefit than did trees. I don’t know if I believe that but clearly the aesthetics of trees can’t be over rated. So, battery back up it is. BTW: I do have some solar panels from camping and two rigid panels I could use in an emergency…
Another good one. I have been looking into all these options. I want simple but I also want a lot of flexibility. Your videos are enlightening enough to give me more options. Thanks so much.
So much to think about. I have a Renogy 12v 100ah sitting around, might try it. Thanks
Very good alternative for when the grid is down..... great Vid.
Good tests. Definitely want to test out all the ways that you can get your power sources and power banks to interact with each other.
Nice content, thanks. I don't have a large need for backup batteries in my use cases, but it is great to know that a server rack battery can replace an OEM anytime! Super helpful!
Thanks for watching!
Learned something new today. I did not realized I could hook up the Bluetti charge enhancer as a simultaneous second charge source from my 24V battery (primary connection is a 24V to 48V DC boost converter) setup to charge my AC200P. Thanks again for doing this.
It's useful when trying to dual charge :) You'll have to let me know if it still works using the same source. The charging enhancer doesn't seem to like the 'shared ground' between the enhancer and the mppt when connected to the same battery.
@@Jasonoid I have 2 Power Queen 12V 100Ah batteries connected in series, channeled through my 24V to 48V boost converter into the AC200P solar input. The Bluetti charge enhancer was connected to the same battery and input into the AC port. Happy to say that this works. I was getting 570W (typical with this setup) through the solar port and 226W through the charge enhancer.
Now I am wondering...since I am using the solar input port from the external battery input, the solar panels are disconnected. Can I hook my panels up to a solar charge controller and then to the external battery to charge it while the above setup is in place?
@@robertlueke3238 yes, you can have a 24v charge controller and solar panels on that battery and charge that up instead.
@@robertlueke3238 in other words does your external battery BMS allows passthrough charging to allow charging it via solar at the same time you are discharging via boost converter to DC port? Perhaps an interesting test idea for a video...🤔
Thanks for all of your help and advice!!
Thank you so much!
Thank you for these tests! I have always wondered about using a portable station like this for its inverter function.
Another excellent video. I appreciate how you explained that this does NOT add capacity to these power stations, it is simply charging them from another source, which can be done (with most of them) while they are in use. This effectively extends their run-time and I like how you articulated that distinction. I am using a variety of "2nd-life" batteries, like the 24v 9.6AH units you got from Battery Hookup. I like building stuff myself, even though there are definitely mistakes made along the way. I think the brand-specific options for truly adding capacity to these larger power stations are cool, but also insanely over-priced. I personally feel that if you need the kind of capacity they advertise with their add-on batteries, you're probably getting out of the "portable" space and you would be better served with a component-based system, at that point. Love your work!
Great comment Jason, I appreciate you watching the video and sharing your setup. I think there is a lot of value in finding used batteries and repurposing them :) They are usually CHEAP! haha
Great Video as always. I experimented like you for my Delta 2. I bought the Eco Worthy 51.2V. 50ah for $579 on sale free shipping. Getting the full 500w input with the XT60i Cable. Recharge battery with solar.
Excellent!
My delta 2 came with a xt60i for the car charger. So do you actually need the xt60i for full amperage? Is the side pin connected to positive or negative side?
@@chrisnelson3470 that 12v Xt60i charging isn't active like the solar MC4 cable. It will still be limited to less than 10 amps unfortunately.
I use solar generators for emergency blackouts (Texas Freeze 2021). Since the manufactures backup batteries are only two to three hundred dollars more than a base unit, I purchase multiple base units. If I had to bug out I can easily grab them and the portable solar panels, as opposed to cheaper, but more unwieldy, 24v batteries.
That's a great point. I have heard of a couple of viewers now doing the same thing. Why not have two fully functional units instead of a battery that is expensive and can't do much. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I think the way you did. After the Texas freeze I bought a 2nd Delta max instead of the extension battery. Also have the Honda generator I can use to charge them in case of inclement weather also, that way you just run the Honda generator for a couple of hours to charge them instead of running it all night long.
We are testing a more powerful replaceable portable power station, the replaceable battery weight is very light, but more capacity, if you are interested, you can follow us.
@@shelley131Ecoflow told me that the Delta 2 Max main unit can't be connected to another main unit, only to an expansion battery. Is that not true? Were you able to connect two main units together?
Great video Jasonoid :)
That was my first thought years ago is to have a server rack stack (25,000-30,000wh)
Great minds think alike :)
Beautiful Presentation & Illustration. Thank you 🙏 for this Brother
Nice! Almost everyone that owns one of these power station has been asking this question. Jasonoid to the rescue!
I hope so! haha
This video gave me some good ideas. Yes the 48v battery will charge the fastest.......but it will keep charging till you disconnect it. If I had a large capacity 24v battery with a slower charging speed. It would be cool to have that just top off my main Ecoflow DPU system everynight slowly. My solar array is mostly East then South, West isn't really an option because of trees. So something like this on multiple bad solar days would be a great insurance policy. The way my roof panels are on my home is weird 4 panels, Three 360 watt panels in series but one extra panel on a seperate string not to go over 150volts. (on an old bluetti setup 2s-2p is a no go because of the amp max i used to have I think it was 10 or 12 I forgot) but that solo 360 panel is a great slow charge panel
Yes, the batteries stop charging once the power station is full. They act just like solar panels 👍
Exactly what i was waiting for thank you for the great content!
What option do you think you'd go with now after seeing the video?
@@Jasonoid Definitely the 48v server batteries if i find a good deal on them :)
So many great ideas! Thank you for this masterclass!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just added the battery I ripped out of the broken Milin to the AC200P yesterday. I have a 180w panel into a separate MPPT Charging the Milin battery, and the XT90 from that battery plugged into the DC Charging Enhancer. I am not doing it to extend, I am doing it to try and smooth out the input.
I vote for the DIY setup as I don't trust being tied into a proprietary battery. I think a 48v server rack, or series capable 12v lifepo4 is the way to go. They are modular and hence repairable, and easy to connect to anything. When the Milin died I couldn't repair it, I just had to disassemble it and take out the core which is just the batteries and a BMS.
I'm curious, what voltage is the Milin battery?
Thank you so much for this video --- very helpful!
Informative video. I think you should look into why that Bluetti Charging Enhancer, rated at 500w max@8.2A, put out over 700w. Those things are designed to be connected directly to car batteries which can supply hundreds of amps.
I guess they didn't ever expect to have it connected to a 48v battery. It works fine with 12v and 24v batteries, it even works fine with 48v solar panels... weird stuff.
I am not sure, if Jasonoid followed the startup procedure when using the EG4-LL, 1) connect the Bluetti Charging Enhancer to AC200MAX, 2) connect the 48V EG4-LL V2 battery to the Bluetti Charging Enhancer with its breaker & BMS switch both off, 3) close the EG4-LL breaker first, then turn the BMS switch on. This slowly brings up the EG4-LL 48V output voltage by placing & removing a current limiting resistor in-line. I plan to do the same with EG4-LL V1 batteries (using my Bluetti Charging Enhancer) and have my Victron MPPT charge the batteries . I have 900 watts of solar already going to the solar input of my AC200MAX. I have noticed that ( unfortunately) the AC200MAX doesn't always gives 100 % priority to its 900 watt solar input and tends to use the power coming through its AC charging port ( i.e., via the Charging Enhancer ).
It's wild that I see those K2 units on this video, as at the moment I'm testing one of those exact batteries right now for capacity - except mine is over 10 years old.
So far so good, it's at about 90% of its stated 245.8wh capacity with a ~9 watt load, after a full recharge. It has seen very little use over that 10 years, so it seems that the shelf life for infrequent use cases is really good. The discharge curve is ridiculously flat, going from 26.1 to 25V over nearly 21 hours of testing. (It has gone from 25 to 24V over the past hour, so it might be getting close to dropping).
Mine's rated at 245.8Wh, 9.6Ah. Now that I know they are still around, I need to check the specs on current units.
Edit: checked battery hookup, turns out they are selling used older units with the same specs as mine. K2 Energy does still exist, the new units have a bump from 9.6 to 11Ah, but they are still charging prices from 10 years ago.
I bought these 24v K2s from Battery Hookup for super cheap! Great deal!
Awesome vid, have been looking into building my own system or having a backup power system for quite some time & signature solar is, I feel, one of if not the best companies around. Building your own is very accomplishing & much cheaper. 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
thanks for the video, my take away
diy expansion batteries are almost always cheaper per additional capacity added, but requires more work on yourself, while the expansion batteries are simple plug and play.
shop around sometimes you can get great deals on diy solutions, but if you want a headache free solution, the expansion batteries are a simple solution.
Great take away, I agree :) If you want something that just works without thinking, the model expansion batteries are the way to go.
Ok, now lets hook up the server rack battery directly to the solar generator😮, no extra battery chargers, no converter loss! Just purchased bluetti 180, I'm going in🤪👍
You'll get the full 500 watts charging on the Bluetti AC180 👍👍
Great videos and excellent content Jason. So what would the hook up look like for a direct hook up to a Pecron E600LFP to get maximum charging of a 48 volt server rack battery. @@Jasonoid
That's a bit complicated to explain in one youtube comment. If you want a break down of all the parts you'd need for that setup, fill out a form here:
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Yet again good info, lots of things to think about. 👍🐝🌞
Glad you enjoyed it
What up Doe Dr J'
I really like the diy extended charging setup compared to the expansion battery from either company. The diy setup has multiple options and you can add more capacity down the line. Also as you mentioned, you can hookup an solar array as well
Great job 👍🏻
Always good to have multiple options for charging!
This is a great way to extend the run time for your solar generator.
Thank you now I know what it cost to get something shipped to me now I know what to add into the cost for what I need to have the buy something when I go and buy their batteries or converters or there solar panels altogether but then I just figure I got a x 3 for shipping alone. Thanks for that.
Bundle your purchase for sure! Save on shipping :)
Excellent video. I would most likely buy an expansion battery for the power station if they were available. If not, then I would use the alternative method of charging with a stand alone battery.
Expansion batteries work well and they don't require any tinkering.
Such an awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
The expansion battery isn't talking to the power station so all it's really doing is charging it. Why not just use a stand-alone inverter connected to the expansion battery and charge via AC?
Either option is available, this was just a video to show a couple different options. I like to use DC to DC charging when possible since it's more efficient and why purchase a second inverter when the power station already has a good inverter?
Because inverters are inefficient, loud and produce a lot of heat.
Mine is 90% efficient but it’s fab is occasionally loud and it heats up the space where my batteries and inverter sit. And I live in 100 degree weather so adding heat to the battle is ironic. My bluetti produces little heat, and I’m looking into the delta 2 I hope they also limit heat output
You led me here from a previous question on another video. Thank you! One thing i will say is with my Delta 2 test like your my xt60i cord feel warm. Its pushing 178 watts and the wire temp was about 80 to 90 degrees f. Well below what the 12awg can handle, but it was something i noticed. Maybe you did too?
Jason: Assuming your PV array output voltage is over 60v, would it be possible to use a charge controller with a 60+v input and a 48v output to charge the Anker Solix 3800 directly into the XT60 port(s)? Thanks
You should try AC coupling with the power stations to see if they could be doubled up to increase the AC load. Cheers
Video was definitely a huge help
That's what I like to hear!
The proprietary expansion batteries for portable power stations are murderously expensive. Granted they might have an integrated BMS for charging purposes, but I've always wondered who actually buys them. Oftentimes it doesn't cost much more to just get a second power station. I just don't get the marketing logic... I've been expecting their price to fall but it isn't happening. Seems unlikely they are getting a ROI for the development time and production resources put into them.
One thing wasn’t clear to me. So on the bluetti 200max was the pv mode on or was the car charge mode on for each battery type?
Also is there a way to charge the 48v or 24 volt from the 12v DC 30 amp output? Boost converter would work, right? Be nice if power could go both ways especially when solar is in excess during the day. You could use an AC charger but avoiding the conversion losses is my goal. The boost converter has maybe 10% loss.
The Bluetti AC200MAX kinda selects the charging mode on its own. If the voltage is under 32v, it usually defaults to car charging mode and you can't change it. Charging from the 30 amp DC output could be possible if you had a 10 amp DC to DC charger.
Jason, WELL DONE!! A much needed solar power video that answered questions about this subject that has been overlooked by many.Thanks for the tool links but also wondered if you had an Amazon store for Jasonoid that we could buy from? Also could you provide links for Anderson power pole connectors and the inverter in this video please? Also what amperage for the Anderson connecters , 30 or 40 amp?Thanks for another clearly explained video on this subject material.
I use the 30 amp Anderson connectors. Here's an old video I did on how to crimp them... parts are in the video description. Warning... its old so it may be a little cheesy compared to my newer stuff: th-cam.com/video/bZHh3nWXtkw/w-d-xo.html
K so what if I have delta 2 max combined with the 48 V battery like you have done but I want to use the EcoFlow 800 watt alternator charger to charge BOTH battery’s while driving? How do I do that? Power only flows one way through the solar input cable!?
Hi Jason, as always you continue to deliver great content in your videos that are very informative and helpful especially to the population that are not electronic engineers or solar geniuses like myself. Do you know if I can use the XT60i on my delta max that only has the regular XT60 plug? Also, would I get any benefit from using an XT60i in the future if I was to attempt to make a custom cable on my own? This video was perfect timing for me as I have been considering using a 12V battery to charge my Jackeries I use for my cpap/bipap machines. Would you ever consider doing a video showing step by step instructions on how to make cables with different connectors like battery clamps to xt60, mc4's , etc. Also would not mind if you could recommend which type of multimeters to buy. I don't know if I need to buy two like one with clamps that measure current or the one with probes and such. Love your work, thank you for sharing.
The Xt60i is compatible with all Delta power stations. You'll need to use it to get the most power. I'm not sure how the adapter is wired internally so it's best to purchase the MC4 to Xt60i adapter from EcoFlow to know it works properly.
Maybe I missed it, but make sure your battery has a BMS to protect it from over discharge. I made a cable with a 6s BMS to go between my 6s batteries and the solar power station , i.e. only need one BMS for multiple batteries.
All batteries I am testing with in the video have a BMS. I guess the only battery type that wouldn't would be a lead acid battery. Great tip, thanks!
Great video..Thank you for showing this.
A lot of those power stations have internal battery voltages of up to 45V or higher. Since the input range on some of them is as low is 11V, does that mean they are using some sort of MPPT controller that boosts and as well as bucks the voltage? Most MPPT SCC require the PV voltage to be at least 2 volts higher than the battery voltage! But I guess these have the capability of boosting as well because so many people charge with their 13.4V autos?
Yes, they have MPPT charge controllers that allow them to use a wide range of voltage input.
Jason I can't get the Bluetti D050S charge enhancer in my country. Will a step up boost MPPT controller wired up to the Bluetti AC200 Max 8mm port work? I could set the step up at the 58.8V output equal to a charge enhancer output. There's a step up 400W MPPT controller made by ELEJOY that is programmable that could be set to 58.8V max voltage. With 2x 200W solar panels in series with about 50Voc combined and 9A, that could work if it is stepped up to 58.8V and the amps would drop to about 8A or less, and of course with dc-dc converter losses along the way it should not exceed the D050S charger specs. The ELEJOY MPPT boost controller is only $35 approx, so much cheaper than the Bluetti D050S if only I can source that 7.9 or 8mm plug Bluetti uses!
I don't see why that wouldn't work. It might be worth trying since it's only $35
@@Jasonoid I will give it a try! Cheers..
Excellent video! EG4 has some really great products. I am looking at this option for my AC200MAX. I already have 2 of the B230 batteries and 2 of the DC charging enhancers. I am wondering if the AC200MAX is experiencing a problem that was observed on the Pecron, ie, some kind of loop by using the same source on the two different inputs. I haven't checked with the server rack battery as i have yet to purchase one, but the charging enhancer definitely works by hooking a PV 350 panel to the AC charger input and 2 of the PV350 panels (in series) to the PV input. I suspect that having a common ground between the 2 inputs may be causing the problem. About twice a year, Signature Solar offers free shipping so keep an eye out if you want to order something from them.
I think that by adding 15A or 20A blocking diode to each of the ground returns to the battery (15A will loose about 9 watts and 20A will loose about 12 watts), this would break the common ground of the battery or multiple batteries and allow Pecron and Bluetti to use both inputs from the same battery if the common ground is indeed the problem. I'm going to order some and try them out.
Good thinking with the diodes, thanks for the recommendation. I'll have to try to mess around with it when I get a chance.
I am planning to run my 48v EG4 server rack battery with the Bluetti charge enhancer on my AC200max, but ~900W solar on the other input. I’m hoping for no over-current issue as in your video. It also appears that the AC200max also doesn’t let you prioritize solar for dual charging, but rather gives the max from any input. I guess the best thing is to run enough loads while charging, so you don’t care so much.
Great Video,,just want to ask,,if all works well, is there any risk of damage to the internal batteries. In the short or long run both being lifepo4...
No damage to any batteries using this process.
Great information Jason, did you run a capacity check on the 24v battery from battery hookup? Thinking of buying a few for the same purpose.
Would be nice to see round trip efficiency using the battery as input and then how to recharge, off DC from power station or AC? Might be a speed vs efficiency factor gained
I haven't ran any capacity tests yet. They list the tested capacity in the product listing on the website. I am using these 24v batteries for my daughters power wheel ATV and realized I can use this in a TH-cam video as well haha
Thank you for this information.
In regards to recharging the external lithium battery, the Dr. Prepare 12v 100Ah battery, how do you go about recharging that battery once it is depleted? Can you just plug in a 12v DC adapter from 120v AC wall outlet? Like let’s say the wall adaptor that comes with a car refrigerator for example? (120v AC in with 14.5v DC out at 4.1A or 60 Watts) Will the BMS auto shut-off the recharge when completely full?
You'd have to manually charge the battery up. It's best to use a dedicated LFP battery charger or solar charge controller like either of these:
amzn.to/3XzQo1j (AC Charger)
amzn.to/3CVrdgg (solar charge controller)
I wouldn't recommend using just a power supply but technically the BMS should stop charging when it hits a certain voltage. But it will start and stop charging over and over unless you disconnect the power supply.
@@Jasonoid Thank you very much for this information!
Hey. Enjoyed the video. I was hoping you could do one on charging the Oukitel/ffpower p2001 from the 48v lifepower. I have a couple of the lifepower, and I am reluctant to plug them in directly since the P2001 says max 48v input. The Lifepower outputs 51.2. Would I need a DC to DC convert to ensure it is precisely 48v?
Please provide a video on making cables and keeping the polarity for XT60 correct. The p2001 I bought (as you recommended) was the older version with Anderson connectors instead of XT60. Also, cables with ring terminals, MC4 connectors, Anderson, etc., to handle any situation. Perhaps affiliate links to materials or premade cables.
Also. I found what looks to be the EPEVER MPPT Charge controller you showed, but all looked to handle a max of 36V. All of the 48V units were much more expensive.
The Oukitel / FFpower units are not compatible with these higher voltage 48v/51.2v batteries. The true voltage is even higher when at a full charge (usually around 56v to 57v). You may be able to find a DC to DC voltage reducer that will take the 48v output and drop it down to a lower usable voltage.
Would this be same process for the f3800? Would I be able to get two solar inputs from 1 rack battery?
I am considering getting a charge verter as a way to hook up to a non inverter generator
👍👍, thank you. Now a request 😊 with delta pro and off beat battery to supply the 240 that the branded smart battery does. Please and thank you sir.
The Delta Pro also uses a 48v lfp battery so it would perform very similar to the Delta 2 Max, you'd want to have at least one battery for each Delta Pro for that to work with 240v.
This is awesome, thank you! I was looking at the EG4 48V to supplement my new ANKER SOLIX F3800. As you mentioned the add on batteries are crazy expensive. How would I charge the EG4? The Anker has dual solar charging inputs with 1200 V max each or 2400 total. Thanks! Love your channel
I use this solar charge controller to charge mine back up: amzn.to/41P6SFb
I have a few different arrays that I swap around between different battery systems.
You could also use a AC wall charger to charge it back up seen on this website:
signaturesolar.com/shop-all/batteries/battery-chargers/
Awesome, thank you!@@Jasonoid
Quick question Jason, great videos BTW, do you happen to know what type of plug the Bluetti AC200 Max and charge enhancer use to that 58.8V 8A input where a.c. input also goes? Is it a DC7909 plug?
Yes, it is a 7909 plug.
@@Jasonoid thanks for the great video and info.
Learning a lot from your videos. Do ou know if the VTOMAN uses the 5120 port on the solar input?
Which model do you have?
@@Jasonoid the 600 and the 1800
@@marcdoll5632 those look like 5521 barrel ports. If they have a pretty large middle pin, they are the 5525 ports. Take a look at the ports for the 12v ouput, those are 5521, so if they are the same size or larger you know what they are.
when you buy extended batteries that come with a power station are they used to charge the battery or are they used as a 2nd battery source? Also inn your example can you charge these batteries somehow? I am trying to understand the benefit of how you are using these as a 2nd battery source, seems like you would be better off to just use an inverter rather that using these to charge another system with it.
THIS is NOT an "extender".... EVERY one of these "Capacity Extenders" videos have ONLY shown how to basically CHARGE the Solar Box at ~100 to 150 watts or so when home AC or solar is not available. To be actually called an "extender" a DC voltage of what the inverter operates requires, needs to be input to the DEDICATED "external battery jack" which then would power the rail or buss voltage of the inverter, "usually" around 48 volts or so.... MEASURE TO BE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF THE INVERTER VOLTAGE REQUIREMENT....
5:02 interesting, I thought that the input should not exceed 15A (a battery can deliver much more) but it is in fact ecoflow which limits the input to 15A maximum. So we can also connect as many solar panels in parallel (10 for example) if we don't exceed 15A!? (nor exceed the max voltage 150V of course)
The power station limits the amperage. It only pulls the amount of amps it needs.
@id ok thank you, is it the same for micro inverters like the enphase iq7 or iq8, can we connect a battery to the mpp of a micro inverter to produce at night for example? is the micro inverter limit itself the Ampers ?
@@Richi42 I have no experience with micro inverters so I can't say yes or no. From my understanding an micro inverter should be able to take in power from either a battery or a solar panel.
@@Jasonoid I also have the impression given your experience in the video I imagine that the mppt of a micro inverter is identical to those in the ecoflow or blueti that you tested. I think I'll try this myself. Thank you for your quick responses and for the video.
Great video! ..... Question -- Using the process you've outlined in the video, can you connect the battery to, let's use the 48 volt EG4 battery, to one of those "All in one" charge controller / inverters to keep that battery fully charged in the day with using a max perimeter of solar panels of the inverter (meaning, you've got a lot of solar panels connected to the inverter and the inverter charges the battery)? I hope that question makes sense.... Thoughts?
SO to clarify, you'd want to take an existing 48v all in one inverter setup (with a 48v battery) and then charge it via the solar input port using a second 48v battery? Just wanted to make sure I understood.
Great video! I have a AC200P and 24v LiFePO4 and I also didn't know you can simultaneous dual charge from the same battery. I will try that with my Bluetti DC Charging Enhancer. In my case, what fuse and cable size do you recommend to connect the AC200p and 24v? If I go with a 48v battery, would that existing wire and fuse setup work? I'm interested in the 48v EG4 for the future but not sure how that rack mount battery will do inside a trailer storage compartment. Do you have a coupon code for the EG4? Thanks for all your great videos and instruction!
12awg wire will be fine with both batteries. The AC200P has a limit of 12 amps and 12 awg wire is rated at 20 amps max. Only the voltage is changing with each battery and the amps are staying the same. No discount code right now for the EG4 batteries.
Similar point…if the 48 volt battery was hooked up thru xt60 connectors and with delta 2 max at full charge, …and the the delta 2 max went into pass thru mode,
do you believe the 48 volt battery would work to flow thru and power recipient 12 volt draw appliances…until it exhausted and then delta 2 max would kicked in from its full battery?
Yes, that's how it would work. The 48v battery would keep the internal battery of the power station full until it dies, then it will use the internal battery.
Nice video. Why did you choose 12 AWG Stranded Tinned Copper Wire vs 10 AWG? Are the Ring Crimp Terminals Connectors inside diameters large enough to fit the LiTime M8 terminal bolts?
You could definitely go with 10 awg wire if you want. Most of the power stations have a 10 amp limit and with 12 awg wire being rated for 20 amps it's worked just fine for this application.
The only real negative is not being able to hook up an expandable battery to the main unit and have it charge! It would be great to be able to charge it from solar through the main unit.
Most power stations have a DC output and you can get a DC-DC charger... would be interesting to see the efficiency loss though👍
if you plugged in a stand alone wall charger to the main unit while the main unit was pulling solar it would then charge the expansion battery not clean and tidy but it would work
@@v1d9uy
DC to DC? It would be pretty limited on how much charge you would get.
The DC output can't handle much power, only 125-135 watts usually. So as long as it's a low powered DC to DC charger that will work.
@@Jasonoid I believe there are units like Victron where you can set the power output limits, IDK if they'd go as low as 100W though
Great video, do you charge the EG4 via solar or another method ?
I showed both solar and an AC charger at the end of the video. You do have to charge it up separately.
@@Jasonoid Thanks, I went back a reviewed the video. The tip on the flat rate shipping was helpful!!
@Jasonoid -- Another excellent video! Thank you!! 😃 I'm curious, would it be safe to leave the leave these batteries connected to a charger *and* a power station 24/7? For example, connecting the 48V LiFePO4 charger to the EG4 server rack battery so it's always topped off, but also leaving it connected to the power station as well to give a "semi-permanent" capacity upgrade. What are your thoughts? 🤓
When I leave my EG4 48v connected to my AC500 overnight it keeps the power ststion at 100%SOC. It will charge at 750 watts and the stop charging and then charge again on and off. I haven't seen any issues with it long term on my power station.
@@Jasonoidthat's great to hear, thank you Jason!! 😍
Thanks for this. Can you tell us what the third pin on the ecoflow connects to? The positive or the negative?
I haven't taken it apart to find out. There is probably more information about it online in the forums.
@@Jasonoid hi, you don't need to take it apart. Just use an ohm meter to see if it's connected to the plus or minus battery or solar terminals
You can just connect your battery to a proper inverter and charge from the mains station input. Right?
Sure can, but add in efficiency losses of the inverter.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
What size fuse would you put on yhe positive cable for 12v and 24v batteries…thanks
@Jasonoid when you put a fuse on the positive line when doing this, what size should you use? For example, for connecting a 24V battery and an Ecoflow Delta 2 or Delta Pro would you use a 20-amp or 30-amp fuse?
Your fuse is meant to protect the wiring so you match the fuse size with the wiring max amperage. 12awg is 20 amps, 10 awg is 30 amps 👍
@@Jasonoid thanks 🙏
Sorry for the late question, did the Anker have passthrough charging on dc extended battery? Trying to determine if the extended battery will be used up first during Anker charging (less then 100%) until empty then the remaining Anker battery is being used until 0%? I hope the question makes sense :)
Yes, the expansion battery will keep the power station full until the expansion battery dies. Once the expansion battery is dead, the power station will start dropping in battery percentage. This will be the case as long as DC charging input is higher than the load. If the load going out of the power station is bigger, the power station will drop in battery capacity.
Apologies - MY BAD for being a dick.... My soon to be delivered E2000LFP will be "in hand" to test. Your observation of inputting 24 volts into the solar jack with NO charging is probably due to the input rating being 32 to 95 volts-600 watts max, and when it only see's a 24 volt input, it takes a dump.... I was surprised to see that the 18 volt max on the DC5521 jack DID work with the 24 volt - 111 watt charge rate. For minimal loads like mine, (100 watts to run my refer overnight), the 110 watts would equal a net power usage of ~zero.... When you consider that to use a 48 volt battery supply, you would need four 12.8 volt 100, AH LiFePO4 batteries in series that would cost ~1200 bucks and ONLY provide an additional - LIMITED - 518 watts input to the main box.... It is then that you realize that the EB3000 extra battery @ ~ $1399 - WITH a 3072 WH rating, is really a GOOD DEAL.... FYI - The current models specs the two solar inputs at 32-95 volts 600 watt x 2.... Sometimes what may seem like a HIGH PRICED extra battery, is really more cost effective AND have MORE wattage capacity, (2.5 times more), to boot....
Cool idea, but in this screenshot how did the batteries get charged in the first place? Is the suggested expansion to get a charger and battery? Is there a more efficient way to charge the battery with the power station?
I charge these batteries with solar panels and charge controllers. I did put out this video today.... but it's not a fast charging method: th-cam.com/video/-86sypG9goc/w-d-xo.html
I wonder if there is a way to hook up solar panels to both the external battery and the solar generator at the same time. During the day solar could power the inverter while charging the main solar generator and external battery, then at night switch to the external battery hooked up to the solar generator input and have this done by a timing switch or sensor that determines when the solar output is too low and then switches. I hope this makes sense. Good video. Thanks
It wouldn't be able to handle the voltage difference between the sources. You can only charge from one source at a time. One way around this would be to have your external battery always charging with solar and connected to your power station. Then you power station is always full / charging and the battery is being charged from solar.
@Jasonoid. Please excuse a newbie question. For Bluetti ac200 Max how would you connect the external battery to input into the Bluetti at the same time as you're pulling solar?
They can't both be connected at the same time.
So let’s say you want to charge your EG4 48v battery using solar with your favored EPEVER charge controller while also charging your AC200MAX from the charge controller load terminals. Does this work, and if so, how well? While the 48v battery can give more capacity to a solar generator like the AC200MAX, it seems to require too much fiddling and cable swapping. I have four 360W panels, but may have to configure them in 2s2p to stay under 150VOC for the affordable charge controllers.
Interesting idea on using the load output of the charge controller to charge the AC200max, I haven't ever tested that. I don't really see a reason for using the load output on the charge controller vs just connecting it to the 48v battery directly since it has a built in BMS and will keep it from being discharged to far. Why would you want to use the load terminals? Just curious since I may be missing a genius idea here haha
@@Jasonoid It wasn’t clear that one could charge the external battery while simultaneously charging the AC200MAX from it.
@@tomhouck3476 so the charge controller will charge your 48v battery, and the you'll have the AC200max connected to the 48v battery terminals. The charge controller won't do both from the charging output, but it technically doesnt need to since the AC200max will get charged from the 48v battery itself.
So.... if the power station was under load, would pass-thru mode actually draw more power from the external battery to keep your stuff powered (at least with the non-cig DC inputs) in addition to the paltry re-charge wattages that you demonstrated? THAT would actually EXTEND the capacity in WHours vs just another means to recharge when you are "dark".
If the power station is charging at a faster rate than the load going out, then the external battery will keep the power station full until it's dead. The power station will start to deplete once the external battery is dead.
@Jasonoid exactly why I was concerned. All of those charge rates in the review were lower than the rated outputs of the generator so I thought.
Thanks for doing this. I've been considering doing this. I have an AC200 Max and have read of people using a 48 volt battery with the charging enchancer and it working fine. Can your try using the charging enchancer plugged into the unit by itself? (Without the 48v battery also powering the main solar/dc port)
Yeah, I think it has something to do with 'dual charging' from the same source.
Wish you would have tested the AC200p!
The AC200P would perform and the same at 12v and 24v, it has a 12 amp limit as higher charging rates so it would get around 624 watts at 52 volts (the 48 volt battery).
How long would this 48 volt server battery last in powering up an eco flow delta 2 max….
If delta 2 max has power storage of 0,…fully depleted charge level…
And it needs 2048 watts at 12 volts to a full charge…how many times could your 48 volt battery recharge the delta 2 max before the 48 volt battery needed recharging.
You can get around 2 charge cycles from the 5120wh 48v battery on the Delta 2 Max
What if we use a mppt to send it 48v?
I dont see how you connected the battery to the station. What cables are used to safely make that happen and to what outlets and why those outlets. How to get those cables?
Most power stations will limit the current to 15 amps or less so ide recommend 12awg or 10awg wire for the custom cable. I like to have an inline fuse for the postive wire just in case. You'll need to attach whatever adapter your power station charging port uses on one end and you can use normal ring terminals on the battery side.
Do you make your own cable ends to go from the batteries to the inputs for the portable power stations? Or did you buy them and can give us the links? I would like to see more info about connecting safely, as I want to get one or two 12V mini batteries to do this kind of charging for my power stations sometimes.
I make all my own cables so I can make the cables the right length and use connections that fit my setup. Heres a video about making your own Anderson PowerPole connectors: th-cam.com/video/bZHh3nWXtkw/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for this video. I was planning on buying a 48v 200ah lifepo4 battery instead of buying the bluetti extention battery. How do you charge the 48v battery with solar panels? I have the ac200max.
You'll need to purchase a solar charge controller that's compatible with 48v batteries. You connect solar panels to the charge controller and then connect the charge controller to the battery. This is the one I use:
amzn.to/3uTXHXe
@@Jasonoid Thanks so much!!!
Hi, im new at this solar stuff, i have the bluetti ac 200p, and six 200w 12v solar panels, my question is, will they charge up that 48v LFP server rack battery. Hope to hear from you, thanks.
Jason, have you experimented with used house solar panels, using them to charge solar generators? It looks like they can be purchased pretty cheap, like $80 for a 260 watt panel.
It works just fine on power stations, as long as the voltage meets the input requirements of the power station and you don't go over the max input voltage.
@@Jasonoid Thank you for indulging me. So voltage cannot be exceeded, but having too many amps or watts can be handled by the solar generator, it will just take what it needs?
@@stuartstuart866 exactly. Limits the input amperage automatically to meet the max wattage.
As mentioned in many comments below, an expansion battery can be expensive. But there are millions of golf cart batteries doing nothing. How would you hook up a 48v 110ah 6.24KWh lifiepo 4 battery to an Anker Powerstation. I have an Anker Solis F3800 being delivered next month and would to have this as additional backup.
Connect an xt60 pig tail to your golf cart battery and plug it into the charging port of the power station. Put a 20 amp fuse on the postive line. Easy peasy
Thanks, I thought there might be an easy way if the powerstation can handle the 48v load@@Jasonoid
Great job janson.
Will it work with the delta pro, as well.
Thanks
Yep, the Delta Pro supports over 60volts input so connecting a 48v battery into the charging port is not an issue.
@Jasonoid great video, always have creative content. My power station has a 15A Anderson input that allows up to 150 volts. I just want to hook up a 24v battery to my power station. I found a o ring terminal to Anderson cord on Amazon (rated for 45A), but how do I make sure it does not go over 15A when transferring energy from battery to power station? Any direction would be much appreciated. Thank you.
The power station limits the amperage automatically to 15 amps. You won't have an issue.
@@Jasonoid that’s awesome, didn’t know that. Is o ring to Anderson my best bet then in terms of a connector?
@@keenanthomson3253 I like Anderson powerpole so I'd go with that option.
@@Jasonoid appreciate the info man. Keep up the good work.
Hi. Im a bit confused. I have the delta max 2000 acting as a battery backup to my freezer if utility power goes out.
If i want to increase the length of time the system wilk run if utility power does go out i can either
1) buy the delta extra battery or
2) do as you do in this video , buy mu own battery.
...... my confusion is this : i dont want the extra battery to charge up the internal battery , i want the extra battery to essentially increase the capacity of the the internal battery. I other words , i want to plug in the originak system , plug in the extra battery and leave everything fullly charged so that if the utility power goes out then i have both batteries supporting the freezer.
What am i missing here. ? Does this mean i really need the extra battery from delta ?
The extra battery charging up the power station is increasing the length of time your system can run. Store both the power station and the battery at 100% charged and youll be good to go when the power goes out 👍
I just purchased the AC200L through your link you provided yesterday on another video. Any idea where it maxes out to charge? Is it 1200W like the specs or is it limited by the 48V battery?
Additionally, what are your thoughts on wiring up an inverter to the 48V and charging via AC Input to increase? I wouldn’t want to use anything crazy maybe something like a 1500-2k watt inverter.
Is there a better way to doing this that you might recommend?
It will charge at around 825 watts with a 48v battery server rack battery. This is the breakdown of that power: 55volts @ 15 amps = 825 watts (average)
A 48v server rack battery has a peak voltage of 59v and when fully discharged it goes down to 48v. I don't think you would need an inverter to increase that speed.
You could use a 2000w inverter to charge the AC200L at 1500 to 1800 watts, but you'll lose extra power through efficiency losses of going from DC power to AC power, back to DC power.
@@Jasonoid Got it thanks, and would this be compatible with the budget friendly version of the SOK (SOK SK48V100-NCBT - 48V 100Ah) ? Relatively the same process? Just trying to go the most cost effective route to expand my battery and also would be nice to use a server rack as i can be more flexible in any future systems.
@@OfficialNattyOrNot yes, any 48v battery
How about using a buck converter like this one " 12V Step Up to 24V, Boost Converter 20A 480W Voltage Regulator " ?
I did a whole video on using DC to DC converters: th-cam.com/video/I78RxjRXTn4/w-d-xo.html
I'll watch it. Thanks
Cool video and tests. Have you done any testing with gas/propane generators as a fall back plan for when the sun is limited and your solar gen is running low? I bought a regular, non inverter, Tri fuel generator from Costco prior to getting into Solar generators. I am wondering if there is a way to put an inverter or charge controller in front of by Bluetti AC500 that would clean up the power from the Tri fuel generator without having to go through the fun of selling it and getting an inverter generator. Any thoughts or advice are appreciated. Thanks!
Maybe you can buy a dedicated UPS / power filter to put on the output of the generator? That will cleanup the power from the generator before it goes into a power station. These power stations are pretty picky when it comes to charging input. They want 110v-120v and 60hz.
If you decide to expand your setup with 48v battery as in the video, I believe you can get EG4 Chargeverter and use your current generator. That way you will get clean charging into the 48v battery and then use the DC input to charge your Bluetti AC400. Good luck.
Can you charge this way and discharge at the same time
Yes
Hi Jayson, thanks for the info on these units.. I purchased a pecron e2000lfp a few days ago and when i first and only time used the ac charger it did this.After a full charge using the AC charger the light will go green for about 5 seconds then red and start charging at 550 watts for about 5 seconds then back to green, off and then 5 seconds red and charging again with nothing plugged into the ac outlets or dc outlets. when i picked up the ac charger while running it made a loud noise like a bearing was failing then normal again. It wont stop charging the unit with no load on it. I have tried to contact pecron LLC for support on the issue but so far have not contacted me with any relavent information after two days. thanks for any info you can provide me as im new to solar.
So you're saying once it's full the charger stops charging, then after a few minutes it turns back on briefly and then turns off? It feels like the charger is trying to keep the battery topped off constantly. Did their support team get back to you? They are always responsive to my viewers issues.
@@Jasonoid The issue resolved itself I fully charged it using the DC voltage display and when it topped out it cycled off and on a few times I think it balances the cells out and then it finally stopped so it seems okay now. Thanks for the reply.
why nobody asks how to charge additional batteries? power station extensions cost more coz of comfort, where you don't need to charge your additional batteries manually.
the newest bluetti ac200L has a 48 volt plug.. we americans would like to ask.. what is the 48 volt plug for.. I have asked this on a bunch of channels on here and have yet to get an honest answer or any answer at all.. still waiting..
I talked about the 48v plug and what they designed to plug into it in my AC200L review video on my channel.