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It's like they designed the discovery with the spore drive in mind. I couldn't imagine the enterprise making the funky moves
Uh, the show actually stated that. Stamets said at one point that the entire Crossfield class was developed around his theoretical work on the spore drive.
@@Starjumper2821 cool thanks for clearing that up, I must have missed that
yea the enterprise seems way to, lets say clunky for the spore drive cuz of its high naecell placement that would probably rip off during the jump
Though could you imagine if Enterprise had this during it’s time as the hero ship?
The most famous ship with the most powerful propulsion system. It’s amazing
It was designed for this purpose I think yes. Like they included a whole section for the spore plantation. It's a science ship with this being a top priority experiment.
So the most powerful ship in Star fleet runs on nipple clamps
An ünderated comment, you made, my good sir.
MGazT It's called a joke
@MGazT As I understand, what they did with that Tardagrade was rather invasive and they stopped soon after right? They didn't wanna harm a lifeform for the sake of a longer jump range.
@MGazT Wait so question.....if modifying his DNA came AFTER they used the Tardigrades....how did they get the Spore Drive to work to begin with? Since they didn't have the USS Glenn's method till AFTER they found the Glenn adrift after it's accident and both ships had Spore Drives to begin with....so how did Discovery Navigate within the Mycelial Plane?
@MGazT Huh, I never realized the Drive didn't really work that well without a bio component, rather I didn't know it would work at all without either a Tardigrade or other bio component, thank you though :3.
Jason Isaacs as Lorca actually made me think Discovery was a good show for almost an entire season
why wait all that time to blow them up with explosives when 1 shot from lasers seems to do the trick and faster?
I get what you mean, Robert, but from everyone else's perspective, this ship came out of nowhere, destroyed two enemy ships immediately, ate all the damage via rechargeable shields, spun, and inexplicably killed the rest of the enemy ships. Lorca not only made the Klingons look retarded, but anyone else who would try to describe what just happened.
@@SaintStrider except... He killed all the Klingons so what message did they get?
@MGazT Don't go to Corvan 2.
@MGazT Both season finales are awful, the season 2 is a convoluted mess that doesn't make any sense. In season 1, Lorca, the most sophisticated character goes full retard all of a sudden for no reason. I just don't buy it.
@@JAnx01 lorca is not sophisticated, lorca is a terran empire nazi. he was just pretending to be a starfleet officer to get a working spore drive and go back to his universe and conquer it.
discovery is an awesome show.
place your hate aside,you got to admit the music is banging.
been trying to get this track forever.
Captain Lorca was the shit! Here's to Season 3 when the Prime Universe Lorca returns!
This didn't age well
It’s better in my opinion. Star Trek in the 32nd century is awesome.
They could always bring him back from the mirror universe in Strange New Worlds. 🤷♀️
I like how star trek navigates fights flies and sees everything by looking at a large high def screen lol
Since they were over the colony city. Wouldn't the explosion from those bombs left by Discovery destroy the city? Not to mention the crashing Klingon Birds of Prey?
SPOILER
lorca is not a real starfleet officer, he is from the dark mirror universe, he probably doesn't care about the human lives in the city but about destroying the klingons.
@@jesusmora9379 A Terran would be still keeping civilians in mind as you were expected to obey orders. So unless you stuck your knife into your superior officer, you obeyed those orders. An Agonizer Booth is not a pleasant experience.
The distance of torpedoes, BoP and in fact the entire combat take place between the colony is WAY MOOOOORE FURTHER than the VFX showed. You do heard the crew reported Klingons are still 500km away while the VFX showed they're less than 500 meters.
In hundreds of kilometers, the blast impact from even something as powerful as photon torpedo is safe enough for a city that can withstanded the bombardment of BoP's disruptors.
The best of Discovery captain
also I notice one crewmember michael burham is the only one who feels bad.
"Bombs away!"
"Oh, and uh, make sure we are too, Commander"
The show is 5 years old now. This is the first time i realize its STD. My lord
love this show! Trek is finally interesting again! love how the traditionalists get all extra butthurt over it.....coming to watch clips of the show that hurts their butts! 😃😃 season 2 coming soon!!!
You sound like a salty child.
Hello fellow new trek fan!
Yes. You’re right about the traditionalists. In my opinion those people aren’t REAL trekkies solely because they refuse to adapt like you and I have.
1:30 Birds are at 1,000 Kilometers and closing 0.o
They be moving pretty fast
Funny how STD fans never question the errors of how far the Klingons were, 1000 meters, not 1000 kilometers. 500 meters, not 500 kilometers.
Besides old space weapons were barely effective at 8 to 10 kilometers.
It’s funny that there are FAKE trekkies out there who absolutely, positively REFUSE to accept anything new just because it’s not their Star Trek.
News flash people. Times have changed. GET OVER IT!
Oh! A giant lice! What marvellous surprises does the infinite space create for us !
Oh right. It was better when every alien was humanoid with shit on their faces.
+ PetersaberHD: Well just choose. To design an alien, several solutions: a) taking elements of inferior animals, such as tentacles or antennas, and mix it with a normal human in a grotesque way. b ) Deforming a normal human , changing the proportions , the size, the number or the colour of the normal organs for example by removing or adding members , themselves deformed or not ( seven fingers, three or four parts of arm or leg, etc...)or appendices ( most generally cancer-like) . c) using all or part of those processes together. Films authors are unable to conceive a real intelligent alien beeing , just try to create a new one by mixing monstrously and in a non viable disorder the elements of living earth men or animals (sometimes vegetals also ) since the only example of healthy and living intelligent creature is the man. And it is much probable that if aliens exist, they are fewly diferrent from us.
Well, this alien happens to be designed based on a real micro-animal which happens to be capable of surviving in vacuum.
This time, a normal but unknown of most of the public microscopic animal, but made giant ; which makes of it a monster like all the others issued from the imagination of authors. Just try to design an angel-like alien, instead of a more or less strange and terrifying monster from hell; much more difficult, and never seen at this time, except maybe in the picturres of ancient artists, who did not think to paint an alien...
@@PetersaberHD That is correct. Tardigrades have survived every ELE this planet has had. When we finally cross over our stupidity event horizon and wipe ourselves out, there will still be tardigrades. They haven't changed in all the time they have existed (though there are several different kinds of tardigrade)...and why should they? They are perfectly adapted for anything!
So this makes no since. Why would the klingons be on a collision course. Most ships attacking wouldn't just fly directly into the other ship. Their flightbplan would be set to veer away already.
YAY THATS the new Star Trek...torturing a helpless animal by beaming it into the reactor chamber, putting him nipple clips on and abusing him so the Federation can Play WAR...EXCELLENT...XD. Lorca must be an ancestor of the Commander of the U.S.S. Equinox...
Oh...and i forgot...SARKASM OUT ^^
LoreanGlaymore yeah, good innit.
Not that I am defending this series, But you seem to forget that Lorca is the one that's authorising this, and he is from the mirror universe. Not to mention that one captain doesn't represent the best interests of the federation. Judging by the fact you are comparing this to what the captain of the USS equinox did, it was pretty tame. If you think that was inhumane go watch DS9 where Sisko makes a planet uninhabitable for years just because of a grudge with a former officer of his ship. You seem to have this delusion that the federation is this benevolent saviour of the universe. Which in reality is not, they act what they think is in the best interests of themselves and the galaxy.
Please don't try to defend lazy script writing.
NorthernFirehawk Prove me wrong then
No, really, Traitornater's right. If you can buy that a space faring civilization that employs "agony booths" or whatever can exist, and that *spoilers already but whatever* Lorca is already considered a renegade by THAT civilization's standards, then it's perfectly reasonable for him to give the order to hook the creature up to the spore torture device to save some civilian lives.
You may say it's lazy that he just happens to be Terran, and I basically agree by what I can remember of the show, but saying that the show sucks because an evil character from an evil dimension did something evil doesn't make any sense, and that's what Traitornater was trying to point out. We all know torture doesn't produce direct, beneficial results like this clip showed in the same way that we don't think Vulcans exist either.
Cutting it close Capt! But, I see why he's did it! Very clever!
I heard lorca calling stamets mrs stamets lol
I think everyone knows the reason for that lol.
It's a travesty that the tardigrade lawsuit got thrown out.
S1 of Discovery had a few moments where it almost got out of the hole it dug for itself...
It just kept digging itself back down. The political climate that the show runners and some of the actors created too was absolutely shameful.
This is all kind of dumb. Are they bereft ideas and this is the best they can do?
By 500 kilometers we actually mean 500 meters.
And some fans say that the Millenium Falcon is faster??/ No way!
take cover from an ariel bombardment...
I find it funny that star trek discovery is STD something you don't want!😂🤣😜☠
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Captain. Lorca. Was. The Shit! Lorca was better than Kirk or Picard.
*dsc
Stop shooting at them even though we totally blew those first ships up in a single shot. I have a plan that will work as long as they try to crash into us!
"I need them closer" as the birds of prey continue to fly around the ships aimlessly.
Seems to me like the CGI team wasn't informed about the Lorca's plan and the mines were just an afterthought.
@@JAnx01 not to mention they say the birds are at 1000kms and closing, in space I could buy it but on a planet that means Discovery is over New York and the birds are over Chicago
Those first Klingons were easy to kill cause their shields weren't up since there were no Fed ships in sensor range. Once the destroyer and backups birds rolled in, with shields definitely up by then, Discovery never would've been able to handle them all at once. And those weren't mines, they were photons. Even made the photon sound.
Star Trek is notorious for portraying the ships in "dog fights" even though the distances are measured in kilometers. Less boring battles to watch that way.
Covid19?
The fact that they called this STD instead of DIS tho...
a pointlessly flashy move that is indicative of the whole situation with discoverys writing.
"Pointlessly flashy"???? No, I don't think so. Lorca used the spore drive to (a) save a colony from attack by the Klingons, and (b) destroy all Klingon vessels involved in that attack in a carefully coordinated maneuver! Or did you miss that last tactic of his to drop mines in the path of the remaining Klingon vessels before using the spore drive? He knew the Klingons would come closer in order to destroy Discovery, so he used that trait against them; THAT'S why he held off as long as he did.
Like they said on "The Hunt for Red October," ...... "Combat tactics, Mr. Ryan!"
@@SeatBill seems saru didnt know the plan because hes there begging him to do something. but stamets is prepping a jump;... all the crew have bewildered looks on their face. they killed two immediately jumping in, but have to leave mines for the rest? suppose the mines hadnt got the rest? they didnt stick around to. this is trying to be dramatic and failign when looked at for 10 seconds with a critical eye. at nopoint does he say heres the plan. we go in, lure and bait the klingons into mines and jump out. nothing. just jumps in takes hits....points at the view screen and says steady while everyone looks around afraid,....its horrible cringe.
I prefer Orville to STD.
I would also not want a sexually transmitted disease.
I prefer something that's actually funny. The first 5 minutes of Discovery is many times funnier than the first 2 episodes of the Orville -- and only said 2 episodes of the Orville because I only saw 2 episodes.
I actually disagree. The Orville easily contains MORE humor, but the quality of the jokes is pretty much toilet most of the time because they are just artificially inserted one-liners instead of the more well crafted and subtle humor that might work on an adult.
Kyle Negus - Then just go and watch Orville
Still can get STD going Oral
No correct me if im wrong but.. isnt this iteration of startrek suppose to be between the original series and next generation? if so then who in production design thought it a good idea to make the show/ships and technology look far beyond that of any show prior? makes absolutely no sense. Just as well is the way this series is shot. looks nothing at all like a star trek series. Looks exactly like something youd find on a cable series like Battlestar Galactica. I tell ya. whats hurting so many of these reboots are directors producers and writers attempting to remake the wheel. Their own ego and personal skewed vision of such classics never ever work. and yet theyre constantly given opportunity to try, to no success. Simply stick with the script! stupid!. Though JJAbrams bombed with STARWARS TFA, he did get it mostly right with Star Trek, by sticking closely to the original source being a prequel to the original show. And for the most part its been working decently. But this!.. WOh what the heck!. SMH!
even worse. it's supposed to be 10 years before TOS. Klingons aren't even supposed to be able to cloak yet.
That's not the main problem here. Discovery flat out breaks prime canon left and right. the level of technology makes absolutely no sense for the time period. Holograms? They were only just beginning to have those in TNG. Spore drive? never mentioned brought up in any other series. if it's as useful as they make it seem, wouldn't starfleet have researched it further and found a workaround for the biological component so they could phase out warp drives? The spore drive would make more sense if this was post-voyager. It would make SO much more sense for Starfleet to research a jump drive in hopes of finding a way to ensure that what happened to Voyager couldn't happen again. THAT would make sense. but pre-TOS? No. And the klingons, holy hell the klingons. Those aren't Klingons. Those are evil space egyptians who don't give a flying fuck about honor (Which is the pretty much the whole damn point of Klingons)
If this is supposed to be around 10 years before TOS, why the fuck do they have so much more advanced tech?
Here's another example using Kingon Cloaking tech. Kirk spent a good portion of his career as an Instructor at Starfleet Academy. Not after his command of the Enterprise, before his command. He knows his shit when it comes to these things. So, if Klingon cloaking tech is widely known and common already, Why is he shocked to find Klingons can cloak while he's commanding the enterprise?
In regards to film and television productions, Its the age old problem with people believing more and bigger is better, and not simply sticking to the script. I work in film and broadcast. And im always dumbfounded by the cluelessness of directors writers and Producers. 99% of the time its people that youd wonder how on earth did they get their jobs. in the end you come to realize majority of them have the only talent of b.s'ing the next guy in the pipleline. in fact the top 5% of the pecking order in any production is a group of guys who survive by telling other people to do their jobs. look at any major company or corporation and i guarantee you the people at the top are little more than con artists. I use Steve jobs as an example. and i think Bill Burr said it best...th-cam.com/video/E3s-qZsjK8I/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ComicPower
The cloaking device you describe in TNG was a direct violation of a treaty the federation signed with the romulans that forbade them from developing a cloaking device. Picard turns the device over to the Romulans to try and avoid an international incident. The Defiant is the exception to the treaty because it was a joint project between both the federation and the romulans. The stolen bird of prey you describe was returned.
The transwarp drive was plagued with problems and was found to have more problems than uses.
and you need to realize that Star Trek 5 is widely regarded as a shit movie for good reasons.
again, you're missing what people are actually really mad about with this series. so much of this stuff makes problems posed after this show takes place pointless. My girlfriend explains it best:
"The Spore Drive itself isnt the problem. The idea of instant transportation isn't the problem. The problem is that Discovery tells us that the Federation discovered and mastered this technology before the other series happened. Now every time I watch an episode of another series, be it TOS or TNG or DS9 or YOY or even the freaking animated series, I have to watch with the knowledge that this technology existed. A technology that allowed for instant transportation anywhere in the galaxy. A technology that allowed for a way to break a Klingon cloak. A technology that allowed for transportation between alternate realities. Every single episode in these other series that had an issue related to these could be now solved instantly because of this tech that, according to Discovery, always existed
And even if Discovery goes "Oh hey this tech is dangerous" and they try to explain why it wont be used, that won't help either. Are you telling me the Federation wouldn't try to make it work? To make it safer? Just ditching the tech entirely doesn't sound like the Federation I know. This doesn't sound the the humans in First Flight, desperately trying to get their Warp engines to fly so they can explore the stars. That doesn't sound like the Federation engineers who can turn "rocks into replicators." This doesn't sound like the Federation that when they discovered that high warp is damaging the fabric of space, immediately found a way to make high warp safe again."
people are mad at this show because it's an insult to what Star Trek was trying to do. it's an insult to what the rest of the franchise had already established. you can't just throw out nearly 60 years of lore simply because you're too fucking stupid to look at lore and story over visuals.
THis was such a terrible show , the acting was horrible and even worse characters, using post Voyager level effects on a show thats supposed to be pre OS
Mike S - If it was such a terrible show, then why are the ratings up and it is getting a second season?
Jesus fucking Crist................just watch The Expanse already.
Star Trek never made any sense from it's very inception.
Ridiculous fantasy bullshit.
Technobabble explanations and fighting at visual ranges are all utterly deeply unscientific concepts.
AN if all actors on the show are at the least competent.................so the bad acting is a laughable concept.
Every fucking new iteration of Star Trek we get the same whining and complete non arguments over and over and over again.
That technobabble bs was simply put there because its advanced tech, its also there because the writers sometimes dunno what the hell to call anything so they bring people with engineering background to make shit up. The show was about the exploration of space but it was also about the exploration of the human condition. How do humans react to situations and behave it difficult situations. How humans feel and rationalize actions taken by themselves or others. There has to be drama in a show which makes it interesting. If you cant handle a little bit of drama, technobabble, ranging acting, space battles then just don't watch it and gtfo of trek comment sections
@@thebushwolf710 "A little technobabble?" All the Star Trek shows are completely saturated in it. And they didn't really get people with engineering backgrounds to help them make stuff up, they just did it themselves, violating just about every scientific principle in the process. The writers of TNG did have actual scientists there giving them scientific and technical advice, but more often than not the writers just ignored them because otherwise the story wouldn't work. They were too lazy to make stuff work within the realm of reality, so for virtually every problem the crews face, they just say variations of, "Well, we can remodulate our main deflector to match the subspace frequency--". Every problem they face, they solve with meaningless made-up words because they don't know how else to do the story. They're too lazy to actually solve problems in an interesting and realistic way, so they magic them away with "science." Don't get me wrong, I love and enjoy Star Trek, but it still makes my skin crawl when the writers put something stupid in the script and betray their scientific stupidity. ("My batteries constantly recharge themselves." --Data, ST:Insurrection. Really???)
This is a pretty good scene, but I'm not sure how the Klingons won't forget this if there are no Klingon survivors to start with.
@@YadaYah that's the point sergeant
The wives and children of the klingon pilots not coming home will carry the message......... Man that sounds dark af
Reruns.
that and detonating 4-5 photon torpedoes 50 meters above the heads of the children is a bit... stupid.
Klingons receiving no distress or telemetry data from numerous instantly destroy ships, only finding a debris field.
The debris field would be the message, the message is the media.
I STILL say Lorca was the shit! Here's hoping this universe's Lorca makes it back in one piece!
Lorca was one of the most Badass Captains to sit a chair in Trek. I would watch a Lorca spinoff.
@wingman0736 You know what was funny? The “Showrunners!” Giving Lorca all the “Characteristics and Traits” of what they “Thought” would be a bad Captain, made him a great Captain. Oh, well, now that they’ve ruined what could have been a great TV show, Paramount + may decide to made a show about a Captain Lorca who survived the Mirror Universe, I don’t know if Paramount + will survive it’s bizarro Showrunners.
tactical standby.... you mean.... "camping"?! :P
Jason Isaacs is by far one of the best captains in the Star Trek legacies.
SPOILER: I would LOVE to see Prime Lorca in a future episode.
Rarely in Trek do they show the terror on civilians in war. Well done.
did you see SNW this season? Wow...they really told the story of war throughout several episodes.
I wish they would release the music for this scene.
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:)
Yeah it sounds great
Coolest. Effect. Ever!!!
NGL, Lorca is one of my favorite Captains
Same. He always struck me as a feisty captain with untreated PTSD, but he got the job done, and his interactions with Tyler and Burnham made him seem like a good guy. Maybe they can bring him back as the real (prime) Lorca in Strange New Worlds.
"their phasers are locked, captain" now I am no treky, but aren't those disruptors... or am I an idiot
@Venhende - no, you're a 100% right, just more "amazing" writing.
@@Slayer398 To be fair this mistake was made several times in TNG, Worf incorrectly calling Klingon Weapons "Phasers" when both Klingons and Romulans use Disruptors.
@@kaeaja No. Worf never refers to klingon weapons as phasers.
@@OpenMawProductions Yes, he has. In season one episode 19 Heart of Glory around 38 minutes and 28 seconds in when Korris (a Klingon) had a weapon aimed at the Enterprise's Warp Core, Worf called the weapon a Phaser, despite knowing the weapon was more then likely a Disruptor as he KNOWS Klingons don't use Phasers, but called it one anyways. Watch the episode, you'll hear him incorrectly refer to the weapon as a Phaser. If you still wish to contest this, then by all means, but I just confirmed that I am not wrong.
@@OpenMawProductions star trek has been accidentally calling disruptors and other weapons "phasers" scince always, it hasn't started on new trek
was hoping for an "engage" instead of ...go lo
Been to long watching One Captain
Clever. I do wish that Warp effects were more consistent over the course of the serieses though. Like sometimes they warp from right next to a planet with no ill effects to magically being caught in a riptide from a warp drive the equivalent distance away.
Discovery knows how to kick ass.
I prefer to use ST:DSC or ST:DIS
So when Discovery jumps, does that spin make her a... Disco ball? ;)
ransom182 Jupp.. STD sounds wrong
Because as we all know, we abbreviate the series with STE, STOS(?), STG(?), STD (deep space nine would technically already have that stupid name if we named then this way) and STV...
Seriously though, the "Star Trek" part of the title is never in the abbreviations... it's ENT, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY. "STD" doesn't fit the abbreviations at all
Yes it is definitely a "DIS" to all of Star Trek
its called STD because people hate it and people hate it for a good reason.
The discovery is a really powerful ship in the entire federation
Not really. It's DISTINCTIVE, because it has the only working spore drive in existence. Other than that, with its' standard warp drive....it's just another science vessel. Remember - it wasn't designed to be a deep space exploration ship like Enterprise; it doesn't have the crew complement, hull structure, or weapons complement to match a heavy cruiser like Enterprise. What you do with ships like Discovery is put a mostly scientist crew aboard her, and use it as a test bed for new technologies while it checks out new phenomena. By no means is it a "really powerful ship" - if you take the spore drive technology out of it, it would have long since been destroyed. Lt. Stamets is using the ship to perfect the spore drive technology; once he's done that, THEN it would be duplicated aboard other Starfleet vessels....since the spore drive allows the ship to cover much longer distances than regular warp drive does.
if u watched s2 the enterprise is clearly much stronger. the klingons r just really underpowered.....in every single way in this series. they can barely even move their arms for gods sake...those costumes restrict all movement.
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I love Discovery and I'll defend it to the hilt but this scene was just stupid. What was the point of jumping out and dropping torpedoes?
My number one uss discovery scene, thank you.
Daniel
This was the episode that did it for me. This is what got me to go and watch Disco. I totally understand why people dump on this show. It was never bad. Production values were movie quality. Most of the acting was pretty darn good... but the writing? OMG. They really kept changing up what they were doing so much I got whiplash. DS9 broke tradition, stuck with it, and is heralded as great television. TNG had a show-of-the-week approach (fine for that era) but managed to serialize enough to where a total rewatch (seasons 2-end because #1 was just...no). Enterprise was quite impressive as it mostly depicted what had been hinted at throughout all the series. Voyager was....passable. But Disco's writing was exceptionally inconsistent...like there was no real vision.
*DSC
it's not st:t st:v or st:e so why people think it's funny to use that acronym is beyond me.
Brum Racing True that, otherwise deep space nine is also ST:D
@@DaGamingBros57 STDSN. Sure it still has STD in it's name but it's less obvious than *S* tar *T* rek *D* iscovery
I THINK THAT ALMOST EVERY ~ THING IN THE STAR TREK World REALLITY IS F ~ AMAZING , i never really got into the P , C . Games or online games mostly because i am just F ~ SH ~ at those games
Nothing like a combat tactic that requires your enemy to fly within slapping distance. Fucking garbage.
I think this is where discovery went from legitimate to trash TV
Why is there even a need for any other Federation ships? just send the Discovery for every battle and destroy the Klingons, at least since nothing can damage or defeat them. Klingon Mega Ship of the Dead? Pffft, toast. Hordes of warbirds at once? Cake! The D-6 and D-7 (oh, I forgot, they don't exist and wouldn't be a threat to the most *powerful* ship in the galaxy....)
The Discovery is a Science Vessel Refitted to be a Warship. It is also the only Starship that has a Spore Drive which gives it it's true power as it can jump dozens of light years in an instant. It's firepower is much less than the Constitution Heavy Cruiser. If the Enterprise had the Spore Drive the War would last a day at most. Starfleet unfortunately kept the entire line of Constitution Heavy Cruisers away from the War as "weapons of last resort" when they should have been protecting Earth from the imminent Klingon Invasion which only ended due to *PLOT CONVENIENCE* L'Rel threatening to use a Hydrogen Bomb unless the High Council ended the war. This became much more than an answer lol.
It never ceases to amaze me how self-important the Federation is. They constantly say stuff like "most dangerous weapon in the galaxy," "smartest person in the galaxy," etc, when they can't even cross the galaxy in a reasonable timeframe. They control a microscopic portion of the galaxy, and even the combined territory of the Klingons, Federation, Romulans, and Cardassians is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. They have no idea what lies beyond their puny borders. The Dominion, for example, required the combined might of the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans to defeat. The Voth make the Dominion look like cavemen striking rocks together. The Voth and other species from the Delta Quadrant can actually fight the Borg and win. These species have never been encountered by the Federation (except Voyager), and yet the Federation has the audacity to use these absolute phrases as if they know what really lies out there. Ridiculous. Q even recognized as much when he brought the Federation into contact with the Borg in TNG, but even that didn't put an end to the Federation's narcissism.
This story & characters fits perfectly for Star Trek Online period. But it feels misplaced in 23th century.
True. I call it the Mycelial Timeline so it's about 75% different from the Prime Universe (Hitting a steady 95% as soon as Season 2 ends, the remaining 5% is mainly visual reboot and the characters knowledge of the last 2 seasons.
I tried watching this series. But it sucks. I put it up there with Voyager and 1st 2 season of DS9. Phaser locked - pew, pew, pew really sad sound effects.
why is he pointing at the screen?
dangus starfleet just make your shields a billion times stronger
Stupid, stupid show!
>EXE
I feel bad for the tardigrades like they don't want to be a prisoner they want to be free. And when the ship is about to be destroyed they die.
They also suffer from the use of the spore drive
Hostinger
So they destroy two ships no with one shot no problem and don't fire a single shot while the other ships are firing until their shield are weak.
its called bad writing the star trek way. straight up dumb. its not dramatic its dumb. so he told no one else the plan. clearly not saru, cuz saru is there worried, but stamets knows theyre jumping out soon etc etc..
Ethical question for my Star Trek bredren:
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one
One innocent tardigrade against the lives of an innocent colony sucked into the war effort
Genuinely curious as to your thoughts
that only works when it is your own life being sacrificied, not someone else's. which is what happens later in discovery when stamets replaces the tardigrade.
i believe that while cruel the crew wasnt in the wrong as they saved the colony and the tartigrade did not die
There is no problem using modern CGI because the show have to be prettier than older shows but the story... what kind of Star Fleet are they running? They literally take the Warship Voyager idea and run with it.
The idea of Federation warships isn't new - In Deep Space Nine Sisko clearly explains that all "Escort" vessels are essentially sugar-coated euphemism for warships.
That is true. All of them are also glass cannons.
What the fuck where they thinking making the acronym "STD". Not to mention mixing up sper- spores with the show.
The discovery uses another lifeform... imprisoned to boot... and then tortured in order to travel through space? WTF? This very thing was dealt with in one of the Voyager episodes. Using, not to mention torturing another lifeform would go against EVERYTHING Gene Roddenberry believed in. Discovery is an absolute thrashing of everything Trek was and still is [to most fans] based on. I just heard it has been renewed for a second season. No thanks, I will stick with the Orville as it is more Star Trek than this could ever hope to be. Sad... really, really sad. I do however understand as to why... The legal issues really mucked this up. And now the same people are going to mess with Picard? I am not holding my breath there after seeing this... Wow.
You never watched DS9 right? Go do so, then come back and delete your comment.
@@albertocano.427 Watched all of DS9... Please, and I do mean please refresh my memory. At 58... it truly is not what it use to be. Do you like the direction Discovery has taken? The Klingons for one? I love all that is Trek, but I cannot wrap myself around Gene approving what has happened to a large part of his inception and creation.
John, why are you surprised that someone from the Terran Mirror universe would authorize and order the torture of one of the most resilient creatures alive (also true in real life) to save an entire colony from certain death to keep his cover? I suspect you never paid close attention to this series, as the protagonist actually spends the rest of her time convincing her captors that they should lay off the torture.
Don't delete your comment. Discovery lacks the comedy your ridiculous comment supplies.
@@SaintStrider Wow... Well upon further examination I find that Discovery is most likely a operative section 31 mission. And Mr....... Miles.... I would imagine by your input that you were in diapers during the time of Gene Roddenberry. I love all that is Sci-fi... Yet Star Trek out of many was... WAS the only one to show a better future for mankind. I deep down think that Discovery got one more season not because it deserved so but because that deal was already in the mix. Do not know what more to say to than this, "Live long and prosper Mr. Miles..." and goodnight.
John Hobart Troll is troll. At least the cannabis guy had something positive to say about the show.
so he can kill each ship in 1 shot. but the last 3 ships he holds fire.....and risks the ship just to pulloff an achievment kill.....ok.....
when plot armor is on your side, there is no concern for damage taken while waiting for 3 ships to conveniently group together and close to a range they have no business getting inside. Such garbage writing.
This kind of garbage writing is endemic to all Star Trek, not just Discovery. My brothers and I can pick apart and unravel the entire story of nearly every Star Trek episode we've ever seen just minutes after finishing it, but we still manage to enjoy it (mostly). The point is, if you really think about any episode of Star Trek, the story just doesn't make any sense. The writers don't know anything about science, tactics, or, apparently, common sense.
Great Show, can't wait for season 2!
I feel like the guy is typecast. I only remember him as playing a good guy once, in a terrible Jackie Chan movie. He plays a Bond-like spy.
His most famous roles are Colonel Tavington and Lucius Malfoy.
Couldn’t they have kept him as a morally-ambiguous good guy here? I guess the revelation explains his jumpiness and the fact that he sleeps with a phaser under his pillow aren’t just PTSD
think its the best spin off so far
no, fanfics are probably better than this disease
Pun intended lol.
@@richardched6085 Yeah, my thought exactly...
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So they’re using another species for their own advancement. That doesn’t sound very Star Trek
All the people hating this show and saying it doesnt make sense instead of listening to what the characters say. Guys, they actually explain almost everything in this show! You just have to listen!
Helo You are forgetting the possibility they are just plain stupid.
Nothing is explained in this disease of a show! This show just suck's period!
Jeremy Kegley So not keen then?
People hate this show because it's an absolute betrayal to the franchise. Klingons aren't supposed to be able to cloak yet, Kirk is surprised they can in TOS, and this show is supposed be about 10 years prior. The design for the Klingons make absolutely no sense considering where that design is supposed to lead in 10 years time. this "Spore Drive" isn't even slightly mentioned or acknowledged in any other series, despite the fact that Enterprise is the only series that takes place beforehand. Starfleet is astoundingly inept, the Klingons spout bad anime villain cliches, and the list goes on for miles.
in an interview, they said that they wanted it to be an alternate universe. fine. but for some incredibly dumb reason, that got scrapped and kept it prime universe BUT KEPT THE CHANGES. They are ACTUALLY that careless and dumb.
What made Star Trek so great was the fact that it wasn't all about fighting and warfare and shit like that. it's about the journey and the adventures of the crew through space unknown and situations unknown. you had to think about what was happening, you had to pay attention. This show, meanwhile, has complete ADHD with the Discovery doing kung fu flips all over the place while the klingons completely abandon honor (WHICH IS THE MAINSTAY OF THEIR CULTURE) and chill out in what can only be described as a space egyptian's wet dream.
For example: DS9 handled war in the trek universe SO much better. it wasn't as simple as "hero rushes in: win!" no, the Federation was losing. badly. So Sisko and crew had to make difficult moral decisions to get the Romulans and the Klingons to help them. The Dominion War was just a plot setting. it wasn't all the show was. it took the time to let characters develop. it allowed for personality. it took it's time to let things happen in a realistic pace. Discovery just feels rushed with little sense of real direction or focus.
The cloak the Klingons are using in this show is not the same as the one they are using later. This cloak is by far not as advanced as the cloaking devices in TOS. Remember: In DIS they are able to create a algorithm to detect ships with this cloak. That wouldnt be possible with later cloaking tech. And btw: DIS is not the first show before TOS to show us cloaking technology. Remember the Romulan warbird in the ENT episode "Minefield"? That ship cloaked aswell.
Yes, the Sporedrive is not mentioned again in any other series. But it doesnt have to be mentioned. Do you remember that the project is highly classified? That is a good explanation why later on nobody knows about it. And DIS as a show is not over yet. Maybe they will give us another explanation. But saying it is stupid because it was mentioned later is like saying ENT is stupid because we never heard of a Xindi attack before.
About the Klingons: You do realize, that we are not following the ordinary Klingons, you know? The focus of the show is on a highly religous cult within the Empire. Tbh, I think it adds a bit of diversity to the Klingons to see some of them with different believes. And there are not that many Klingons that didnt fight with honor. But again: we have seen before in TNG that not all Klingons think of honor the same way. Is the name "Duras" ringing a bell?
And srsly, did you see the last few episodes of season 1? The federation was loosing! They almost did immoral things to save the Federation. They had to choose.
The Klingon war in this show is not as deeply developed as the Dominion war, granted. But it doesnt have to be. Because it is a background setting as well. Because the purpose of the war from a writers-perspective is to be a character motivation for Burnham. Trying to end the war is what gives her her motives. Because it was her mistajes that led to the war in the first place.
I don’t watch this show since I refuse to pay for another streaming service... why is the tardigrade so big and why does it have star coordinates?
dcar 430 it is a multi-dimensional creature that shares some qualities of Earth tardigrade. FYI: It wiped out an entire Klingon crew and everyone on board the USS Glenn. The spores floating around it keeps it calm.
Creature is practically invincible. Can live in space. I am talking about Earth's own tardigrade.
@C B By whom? The real tardigrades don't care... ;-)
They're heading to Korriban. So this is a Star Wars/Star Trek crossover? Just asking
Coridan was was in the Original Series, LONG before Star Wars.
Thats where they will run up against the Borg/Cyber-man alliance and meet up with the Doctor to travel through time and buy ice cream. :D