A full right shoulder replacement forced me to sell my AR-10 shooting .308, the replacement was a 6.5 Grendel AR-15 with a 20" barrel. Doesn't have the 600 yd hit but more importantly to me it also doesn't have the shoulder hit as well.
And thats a really good reason to choose the 6.5 over the 7.62! Im not 19 anymore and may have to consider that move in the not too distant future myself. It makes even more sense if you own a AR-15 too!
Same here but I don’t have a Grendel-YET! My doctor told me that anything bigger than a 243 Win would be too much. But the Grendel checks all the right boxes. He was an avid shooter before his death so I trusted his evaluation.
I'm a .308 guy and I love the concept of the 6.5 Grendel which is what the British wanted (or something similar) when NATO was trying to agree on a common rifle caliber. Intermediate size overall is best.. Thing that sucks for Grendel compared to .308 is its cost.
It was the .280 British,,, which in millimeter it would be a 7x43 mm,,,which because of political reasons and America F yeah the army chose the M14 over the FN FAL which is f’n insane when you really think about
That’s not even one of the best BC 123gr bullets for 6.5mm either. 123gr SMK and 123gr Scenar have much higher BCs. You can make it overtake any of the 147-155gr bullets in .308 Win already by 600yds. You have to step up to 175gr or higher in the .308 to retain more energy than the Grendel.
Even at a modest velocity of 2770 the 155gr match king has about 70fps and 300ft pounds of energy over the 123, the 155 takes 2.5 moa less drop too, you would have to push the 123 over 2800fps to just catch the 155, and still have over 100ft pounds less energy on target. Not hating I love the grendel but there's only so much you can do with such small case capacity
@@chuckfinley3152 Yes but you hit it on the head, It uses less powder, but it has less felt recoil. As a reloader, right now with supply chain issues it's cheaper than my other 6.5mm round the 6.5 Swedish Mauser.
Assuming 2450fps mv for the 18” Grendel with 123gr SMK vs 16.5” .308 155gr ELD-M at 2500fps, the Grendel will have 683ft-lbs at 600yds (558ft-lbs for 123gr ELD-M) and the .308 Win will have 726ft-lbs. The Grendel with 123gr SMK has 94% of the energy of the .308 in that comparison, 82% with the ELD-M. Switch to the 130gr ELD-M in Grendel, and 178gr ELD-M in .308, and you get 701ft-lbs vs 858ft-lbs. 178gr ELD-M has less mv but higher retained energy than the faster 155gr ELD-M, but more drop. Step up to 130gr Berger VLD in the Grendel and you get 764ft-lbs at 600yds from an 18”, which is more energy than the 155gr ELD-M .308. You can play with the bullet selection with one over the other, but you have to ask if the weight, recoil, and sight picture recovery penalties of the .308 are worth it to you. For me, that answer is no, but I still have a .308 Win, in addition to .260 Rem, and multiple 6.5 Grendels.
@@LRRPFco52 yes people act like 6.5grendel is not a good comparison to 308. Past 700yds 6.5grendel has more energy than 308. So it can technically do anything 308 can at range.
@@justinlance4174 Most .308s that come through my courses fall apart at 800yds because they have 12” twist. You really need a tighter twist to keep the 175gr and higher spun through 800yds. All Grendels have 1/7.5 to 1/9 twist, most 1/8, so they stabilize everything in the 6.5mm bullet selection well. I’ve been watching bullets fly through a spotting scope or binos now for 27 years on a regular basis. Getting old...
@@justinlance4174 who's shooting game at 900yrds that's pretty unethical being there's so many factors with wind changing so much at those distances and the amount of time the animal has to.move before bullet hits you can easily wound an animal I shoot 400yrds max and the .308 shines not saying a lesser round can't get the job done because they can and I have done it I have places 150yrd is my furthest shot and I gladly use my 7.62x39 .350 legend or 6.8spc and have taken large bucks with them and the damage was huge one of my nastiest blood trails was with a 7.62x39 hollow point behind the shoulder at 80yrds looked like a 2ft wide blood trail for about 70yrds blood everywhere up trees and bushes demolished the lungs but if I'm shooting further than 200yrds I prefer the .308 but all that said the grendel is pretty dang close on performance and will most def get the job done I just prefer being able to find ammo and find it cheap all the time even in this shortage I have been able to find 308 entire time but grendel not so much
They have about the same energy at 600 but past that the 6.5 Grendel had more energy than the 308 I don’t know how any of you could tell any difference in this video
Nice video. Both calibers connect! Grendel is easier on the shoulder, 308 caries more energy. Which is best? That's strictly opinion or application. Thanks for the demo!
@@justinlance4174 depends on the powder charge the weight of the projectile barrel length and many other variables, but keep shooting through your chronograph at 25 yards tho :)
Did I hear you say you were going to compare 123 eldm handloads to steel case bottom of the barrel russian made cheap FMJ ammo? I wonder what it could have done with some quality match grade loads in the 7.62...
I would love to see a gel, or meat target comparison between the two, at about 400 yards/meters. If they were both shooting the same brand of hunting, or tipped match bullets, I'm sure those results would be dramatic! Cheers
Hornady has done that kind of testing with their hunting bullets, literally at 400yds so the spin is replicated as in reality. There’s not a lot of difference between them in gel, though .308 Win at 400yds has more energy. Wound channels are very similar between 123gr 6.5 and 150gr .308 Win.
@@EdAb We did extensive ballistics testing across the velocity impact spectrum with a wide range of bullets for hunting for 6.5mm. Most cup and core bullets behave similarly with loss of weight, controlled expansion, and deep penetration depth. The big outliers were the Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets. They would expand more with higher speed, then stop expanding at 2000fps impact velocity, but would all penetrate very deeply. The more expansion, the better the cavities. This was all controlled testing with industry-regulated media, uniform conditions, and uniform approach to taking measurements. Short story is that we are blessed with a wide range of options from which to choose, all of which are more than effective at producing lethal wound channels on large game. I think selecting the bullet for your preferred aiming spot and game type/outcome makes a lot of sense. For example, a meat hunter might want a lower heart/lung vitals shot, whereas someone who is just filling tags without care for meat might choose a high shoulder anchoring shot. The solid bullets do better for preserving meat, whereas the lead core and copper cup jacket bullets always shed weight and cause wider wound cavities. I think the .308 Winchester is overkill on medium game, but will of course do the job well. A lot of the energy passes through the animal with broadside shots, and the shooter has no way of seeing their hit through the scope much of the time.
Are you kidding? I couldn’t tell the difference at all they were both slapping the plate around. They have very similar energy at that range so I don’t know how you can see any difference and past that the 6.5 Grendel has more energy than the 308 so I don’t think we were watching the same video
Both are great calibers but give me a .308. Carries more energy at the same distance Edit : @ Justin Lance so let me explain why everything you said was wrong. 308 shoots flatter, carries more energy and velocity, and bucks the wind better than 6.5 When I run them through my ballistics calculator 308 vs. 6.5 Grendel (both g7 bc) the 308 has 2600fps and 2627ft lbs with a 175 grain sierra matchking bullet versus the Lively 130-grain berger 6.5 traveling at 2500 feet per second in 1900ish foot pounds (2627 vs 1856 respectively... Btw thats x39 energy and fps without the shitty x39 g1 bc lmao) Again plenty of 308 ballistic coefficients can still play ball. By 600 yards the 308 at still retained almost 400 foot-pounds of energy over the 6-5 Grendel (1160 vs 743 respective) and 150 fps. That's like comparing a 9 mm to a 44 Magnum impact at point-blank. That's not minimal by any means. And news flash if the 308 ballistic coefficient is enough to play ball with the 6-5 that heavier 308 bullet bucks the wind better every time (10mph 90° crosswind) 3.8 moa for 308 but 4 moa for the 6.5. The 6.5 has 17moa of drop at 600yds while the 308 had 14moa of drop. Heavier ammo... Yeah you got me there lol but you might as well be comparing x39 to 308
@@justinlance4174 308 shoots flatter, carries more energy and velocity, and bucks the wind better than 6.5 When I run them through my ballistics calculator 308 vs. 6.5 Grendel (both g7 bc) the 308 has 2600fps and 2627ft lbs with a 175 grain sierra matchking bullet versus the Lively 130-grain berger 6.5 traveling at 2500 feet per second in 1900ish foot pounds (2627 vs 1856 respectively... Btw thats x39 energy and fps without the shitty x39 g1 bc lmao) Again plenty of 308 ballistic coefficients can still play ball. By 600 yards the 308 at still retained almost 400 foot-pounds of energy over the 6-5 Grendel (1160 vs 743 respective) and 150 fps. That's like comparing a 9 mm to a 44 Magnum impact at point-blank. That's not minimal by any means. And news flash if the 308 ballistic coefficient is enough to play ball with the 6-5 that heavier 308 bullet bucks the wind better every time (10mph 90° crosswind) 3.8 moa for 308 but 4 moa for the 6.5. The 6.5 has 17moa of drop at 600yds while the 308 had 14moa of drop. This means the 308 shoots flatter, bucks wind better, and carries over 400ft lbs more energy Heavier ammo... Yeah you got me there lol but you might as well be comparing x39 to 308
@@justinlance4174 so I can see how your statement would be correct if we were comparing walmart Tula Ammo 7.62 X51 versus match Federal or hornady 6.5... which of course would be a bad comparison and is why I used both calibers in their most extreme forms in my calculations. Also in my neck of the woods 6.5 is way more expensive than 308
@@89StarquestTSi I am not sure why anyone is comparing an intermediate round with a full power 308. Unless you want to compare the weight of the rifle, the weight of the ammo, the amount of ammo in a mag..... If you want to compare 308 to 6.5 do it to Creedmoor.
@Kryo Strife - Wow you are wrong. Yes .308 has more power at muzzle but it DOES NOT buck the wind better. 6.5 has epic B.C. and sectional density. It has already been proven to have better long range ballistics. Less drop and at 1000 yards still super sonic (out of same length barrel). The heavy .308 bullet is the reason it drops/slows down much sooner than the 6.5 bullet. You clearly don't understand physics at all.
I reload, I got a bunch of x39 fired once brass(3k). I seperated all the PMC and sorted by weight, then converted it to large primer Grendel AKA 6.5X39. Swage to neck down, and length trim. Same same now.
Both great and functional calibers. I hunt with both in AR configurations. I'm not sure what you mean by that is a small plate for a 6.5 Grendel? Conditions made it tough but not too small of a target.
Well when u use cheap ammo that's known to be light on powder out of a 308 then load a hot 6.5 grendel yes it's going to perform pretty good but load a hot 308 vs a hot grendel and there's no comparison out to 300yrds yes the grendel can get the job done but there's no replacement for the 308 in an AR-15 platform u have to step up to ar10 to get 308 performance but you can get very good and acceptable performance out the ar 15 platform for hunting within 300yrds
I always love to se X vs Y but ...to compare such a diferent Energy caliber ...it s not fair. Why didn t you take well made 142grs SMK 260 Remington and compare with 308 Win at 600 ? They are Energy similar and that would be fair comparation.
i recently started building my guns because of everything going on and i asked my friend i have one lower left what should i build ? He says do you have a 6.5 grendel and im like whats that? He just grinned and said you better look into it son i think your gonna like it. my last build was a LR308 DPMS AR10 and i havent had a chance to shoot it yet. From your video it looks like the 308 packs more of a punch but at the 600 yards. i dont know about yall but my 308 is super heavy compared to the other AR platforms. Is the 6.5 going to be the same weight as my 556 and do i just need a barrel,bcg and mag? I am definately going to build a 6.5 Grendel thank you guys for doing this video.
Yes you need a mag barrel and bolt. Don't overlook 6 ARC if your don't have one. It's is very similar to the 6.5 grendel but a little more effective range.
I seems to me that you are deliberately handicapping the 6.5 Grendel with that anemic load. There are many other loadings that give considerably better performance.
@michael byrd - My thoughts exactely. The russian steel case is known to be loaded with a weak charge and bullet is only 100 grain. Grendel performs best at 120-123 grain. Try some Hornady black 123.
@Trap Lord Ghost from all the data I have seen, the .308 only has the advantage up to 300 meters, and not a great deal at that. The .308 goes subsonic at, or a little before 800 meters. The Grendel has proven to hold supersonic at least to 1,000 meters.
@Trap Lord Ghost The video proved nothing. You used a substandard load for the testing. The data that I have seen, was from full power Grendel loads, and that makes a big difference.
Fun to watch consistent hits at 600 yards -- in windy conditions, too! Thanks for the upload.
Pretty cool to see someone rocking Tula at 600 yds
He says in the description that it’s 123gr ELD-M over LEVERevolution hand loads.
@@LRRPFco52 his buddy’s shooting Tula
@@stumblin_bummblin9774 Roger. Thanks
A full right shoulder replacement forced me to sell my AR-10 shooting .308, the replacement was a 6.5 Grendel AR-15 with a 20" barrel. Doesn't have the 600 yd hit but more importantly to me it also doesn't have the shoulder hit as well.
And thats a really good reason to choose the 6.5 over the 7.62! Im not 19 anymore and may have to consider that move in the not too distant future myself. It makes even more sense if you own a AR-15 too!
Even with an intact, high muscle mass shoulder, the ability to watch your own impacts is really nice.
Same here but I don’t have a Grendel-YET! My doctor told me that anything bigger than a 243 Win would be too much. But the Grendel checks all the right boxes. He was an avid shooter before his death so I trusted his evaluation.
There are breaks that will cut that recoil down 70%, I ran one on my AR10 until I got a few suppressors.
Tula vs hand loads...bolt vs semiauto. Great video.
Love it!
Own both & can't decide which is better
Hell yeah I love me some Grendel...
Looks like both of them has plenty of “slap” at 600 yards.
I'm a .308 guy and I love the concept of the 6.5 Grendel which is what the British wanted (or something similar) when NATO was trying to agree on a common rifle caliber. Intermediate size overall is best.. Thing that sucks for Grendel compared to .308 is its cost.
By that you're referring to ammo cost?
It was the .280 British,,, which in millimeter it would be a 7x43 mm,,,which because of political reasons and America F yeah the army chose the M14 over the FN FAL which is f’n insane when you really think about
I’m shocked at how hard the grendel hits
That’s not even one of the best BC 123gr bullets for 6.5mm either. 123gr SMK and 123gr Scenar have much higher BCs. You can make it overtake any of the 147-155gr bullets in .308 Win already by 600yds. You have to step up to 175gr or higher in the .308 to retain more energy than the Grendel.
Even at a modest velocity of 2770 the 155gr match king has about 70fps and 300ft pounds of energy over the 123, the 155 takes 2.5 moa less drop too, you would have to push the 123 over 2800fps to just catch the 155, and still have over 100ft pounds less energy on target. Not hating I love the grendel but there's only so much you can do with such small case capacity
@@chuckfinley3152 Yes but you hit it on the head, It uses less powder, but it has less felt recoil. As a reloader, right now with supply chain issues it's cheaper than my other 6.5mm round the 6.5 Swedish Mauser.
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Grouping pretty well, both of you.👍
Was a pretty fun day even considering we both got soaked from melted snow and the cold weather.
Grendel is great, but man...that 308 had so much more juice at 600
Yes but past 900yds grendel has more energy
Assuming 2450fps mv for the 18” Grendel with 123gr SMK vs 16.5” .308 155gr ELD-M at 2500fps, the Grendel will have 683ft-lbs at 600yds (558ft-lbs for 123gr ELD-M) and the .308 Win will have 726ft-lbs. The Grendel with 123gr SMK has 94% of the energy of the .308 in that comparison, 82% with the ELD-M.
Switch to the 130gr ELD-M in Grendel, and 178gr ELD-M in .308, and you get 701ft-lbs vs 858ft-lbs. 178gr ELD-M has less mv but higher retained energy than the faster 155gr ELD-M, but more drop.
Step up to 130gr Berger VLD in the Grendel and you get 764ft-lbs at 600yds from an 18”, which is more energy than the 155gr ELD-M .308. You can play with the bullet selection with one over the other, but you have to ask if the weight, recoil, and sight picture recovery penalties of the .308 are worth it to you.
For me, that answer is no, but I still have a .308 Win, in addition to .260 Rem, and multiple 6.5 Grendels.
@@LRRPFco52 yes people act like 6.5grendel is not a good comparison to 308. Past 700yds 6.5grendel has more energy than 308. So it can technically do anything 308 can at range.
@@justinlance4174 Most .308s that come through my courses fall apart at 800yds because they have 12” twist. You really need a tighter twist to keep the 175gr and higher spun through 800yds. All Grendels have 1/7.5 to 1/9 twist, most 1/8, so they stabilize everything in the 6.5mm bullet selection well.
I’ve been watching bullets fly through a spotting scope or binos now for 27 years on a regular basis. Getting old...
@@justinlance4174 who's shooting game at 900yrds that's pretty unethical being there's so many factors with wind changing so much at those distances and the amount of time the animal has to.move before bullet hits you can easily wound an animal I shoot 400yrds max and the .308 shines not saying a lesser round can't get the job done because they can and I have done it I have places 150yrd is my furthest shot and I gladly use my 7.62x39 .350 legend or 6.8spc and have taken large bucks with them and the damage was huge one of my nastiest blood trails was with a 7.62x39 hollow point behind the shoulder at 80yrds looked like a 2ft wide blood trail for about 70yrds blood everywhere up trees and bushes demolished the lungs but if I'm shooting further than 200yrds I prefer the .308 but all that said the grendel is pretty dang close on performance and will most def get the job done I just prefer being able to find ammo and find it cheap all the time even in this shortage I have been able to find 308 entire time but grendel not so much
Grendel hits HARD. 308 hits HARDER!
They have about the same energy at 600 but past that the 6.5 Grendel had more energy than the 308
I don’t know how any of you could tell any difference in this video
congratulations on first video with 50k views rob 👏
Nice shooting! The Grendel is a beast judging by how hard the steel slaps at 600.
Lol. You really need to understand some ballistics. The 308 even at that range carries 500+ ft-lbs of energy over the Grendel. It’s not close.
@@czwarlord9243 It is at extreme ranges at transonic edge the .308 enters first
@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors 308 has significantly more energy than the Grendel at all ranges you will shoot them at. It’s not close.
@@PlayingWithFireOutdoorsnah 308 beats 6.5 Grendel and the 6.5 creeedmoor sometimes
Nice video. Both calibers connect!
Grendel is easier on the shoulder, 308 caries more energy. Which is best? That's strictly opinion or application. Thanks for the demo!
No at 700yards a 308with 175grn eld hits 750fpe. 6.5with a 123 grn bullet hits 706fpe. Past 700yds 6.5grendel has MORE ENERGY THAN 308
@@justinlance4174 okay, regardless I wouldn't want to be hit with either one. Pick your favorite and enjoy.
@@justinlance4174 depends on the powder charge the weight of the projectile barrel length and many other variables, but keep shooting through your chronograph at 25 yards tho :)
That's some Good Energy at 600 yards!!
Update our range has been extended to 710 yds, The Grendel is still on target! The .308s recoil convinced a friend to switch to the Grendel
Did I hear you say you were going to compare 123 eldm handloads to steel case bottom of the barrel russian made cheap FMJ ammo? I wonder what it could have done with some quality match grade loads in the 7.62...
It's the only way the rounds end up comparable
I'm shocked dude was able to hit the target with the Tula. The 308 always been very inaccurate in my guns, 223 and 7.63x39 is ok
I would love to see a gel, or meat target comparison between the two, at about 400 yards/meters. If they were both shooting the same brand of hunting, or tipped match bullets, I'm sure those results would be dramatic! Cheers
Hornady has done that kind of testing with their hunting bullets, literally at 400yds so the spin is replicated as in reality. There’s not a lot of difference between them in gel, though .308 Win at 400yds has more energy. Wound channels are very similar between 123gr 6.5 and 150gr .308 Win.
@@LRRPFco52 That might be the case, but it would be more fun to watch it, than have somebody tell you about it. Cheers
@@EdAb We did extensive ballistics testing across the velocity impact spectrum with a wide range of bullets for hunting for 6.5mm. Most cup and core bullets behave similarly with loss of weight, controlled expansion, and deep penetration depth.
The big outliers were the Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets. They would expand more with higher speed, then stop expanding at 2000fps impact velocity, but would all penetrate very deeply. The more expansion, the better the cavities.
This was all controlled testing with industry-regulated media, uniform conditions, and uniform approach to taking measurements.
Short story is that we are blessed with a wide range of options from which to choose, all of which are more than effective at producing lethal wound channels on large game. I think selecting the bullet for your preferred aiming spot and game type/outcome makes a lot of sense.
For example, a meat hunter might want a lower heart/lung vitals shot, whereas someone who is just filling tags without care for meat might choose a high shoulder anchoring shot.
The solid bullets do better for preserving meat, whereas the lead core and copper cup jacket bullets always shed weight and cause wider wound cavities.
I think the .308 Winchester is overkill on medium game, but will of course do the job well. A lot of the energy passes through the animal with broadside shots, and the shooter has no way of seeing their hit through the scope much of the time.
@@LRRPFco52 Thanks for the reply. Happy 2022!
6.5 bc is great so that test might not go the way you think
You can hear the .308 hits with more energy.
6mm ARC is my next must try
Would be cool to see a comparable quality .308 ammo
600 yard slap with 308 is something else, compared to 6.5 Grendel
5.56 would ding at that distance. 308 is moving that target around. Pretty amazing
Are you kidding?
I couldn’t tell the difference at all they were both slapping the plate around.
They have very similar energy at that range so I don’t know how you can see any difference and past that the 6.5 Grendel has more energy than the 308 so I don’t think we were watching the same video
Too good..........AR vs Bolt gun.............says a whole lot for the AR
I am thinking that Savage is a bit more accurate platform....a bolt action blueprinted rifle v a semi auto .
Shot to ring sounds just a touch quick for 600yd
Both are great calibers but give me a .308. Carries more energy at the same distance
Edit : @ Justin Lance so let me explain why everything you said was wrong. 308 shoots flatter, carries more energy and velocity, and bucks the wind better than 6.5
When I run them through my ballistics calculator 308 vs. 6.5 Grendel (both g7 bc) the 308 has 2600fps and 2627ft lbs with a 175 grain sierra matchking bullet versus the Lively 130-grain berger 6.5 traveling at 2500 feet per second in 1900ish foot pounds (2627 vs 1856 respectively... Btw thats x39 energy and fps without the shitty x39 g1 bc lmao) Again plenty of 308 ballistic coefficients can still play ball. By 600 yards the 308 at still retained almost 400 foot-pounds of energy over the 6-5 Grendel (1160 vs 743 respective) and 150 fps. That's like comparing a 9 mm to a 44 Magnum impact at point-blank. That's not minimal by any means. And news flash if the 308 ballistic coefficient is enough to play ball with the 6-5 that heavier 308 bullet bucks the wind better every time (10mph 90° crosswind) 3.8 moa for 308 but 4 moa for the 6.5. The 6.5 has 17moa of drop at 600yds while the 308 had 14moa of drop.
Heavier ammo... Yeah you got me there lol but you might as well be comparing x39 to 308
Weights are heavier ammo and gun. ammo is more expensive with 308. And past 600yds energy difference is minimal. And wind drift is less on 6.5grendel
@@justinlance4174 308 shoots flatter, carries more energy and velocity, and bucks the wind better than 6.5
When I run them through my ballistics calculator 308 vs. 6.5 Grendel (both g7 bc) the 308 has 2600fps and 2627ft lbs with a 175 grain sierra matchking bullet versus the Lively 130-grain berger 6.5 traveling at 2500 feet per second in 1900ish foot pounds (2627 vs 1856 respectively... Btw thats x39 energy and fps without the shitty x39 g1 bc lmao) Again plenty of 308 ballistic coefficients can still play ball. By 600 yards the 308 at still retained almost 400 foot-pounds of energy over the 6-5 Grendel (1160 vs 743 respective) and 150 fps. That's like comparing a 9 mm to a 44 Magnum impact at point-blank. That's not minimal by any means. And news flash if the 308 ballistic coefficient is enough to play ball with the 6-5 that heavier 308 bullet bucks the wind better every time (10mph 90° crosswind) 3.8 moa for 308 but 4 moa for the 6.5. The 6.5 has 17moa of drop at 600yds while the 308 had 14moa of drop.
This means the 308 shoots flatter, bucks wind better, and carries over 400ft lbs more energy
Heavier ammo... Yeah you got me there lol but you might as well be comparing x39 to 308
@@justinlance4174 so I can see how your statement would be correct if we were comparing walmart Tula Ammo 7.62 X51 versus match Federal or hornady 6.5... which of course would be a bad comparison and is why I used both calibers in their most extreme forms in my calculations. Also in my neck of the woods 6.5 is way more expensive than 308
@@89StarquestTSi I am not sure why anyone is comparing an intermediate round with a full power 308. Unless you want to compare the weight of the rifle, the weight of the ammo, the amount of ammo in a mag..... If you want to compare 308 to 6.5 do it to Creedmoor.
@Kryo Strife - Wow you are wrong. Yes .308 has more power at muzzle but it DOES NOT buck the wind better. 6.5 has epic B.C. and sectional density. It has already been proven to have better long range ballistics. Less drop and at 1000 yards still super sonic (out of same length barrel). The heavy .308 bullet is the reason it drops/slows down much sooner than the 6.5 bullet. You clearly don't understand physics at all.
Very interesting except ones a semi and the other is a bolt,
Fine shooting
Have both. 7.62 is easier to find. But really kicks. Like the 6.5 for just target shooting. If I can find it
I reload, I got a bunch of x39 fired once brass(3k). I seperated all the PMC and sorted by weight, then converted it to large primer Grendel AKA 6.5X39. Swage to neck down, and length trim. Same same now.
Both great and functional calibers. I hunt with both in AR configurations. I'm not sure what you mean by that is a small plate for a 6.5 Grendel? Conditions made it tough but not too small of a target.
Well when u use cheap ammo that's known to be light on powder out of a 308 then load a hot 6.5 grendel yes it's going to perform pretty good but load a hot 308 vs a hot grendel and there's no comparison out to 300yrds yes the grendel can get the job done but there's no replacement for the 308 in an AR-15 platform u have to step up to ar10 to get 308 performance but you can get very good and acceptable performance out the ar 15 platform for hunting within 300yrds
I always love to se X vs Y but ...to compare such a diferent Energy caliber ...it s not fair.
Why didn t you take well made 142grs SMK 260 Remington and compare with 308 Win at 600 ?
They are Energy similar and that would be fair comparation.
Agreed. It was a neat video, but really not a comparison. As someone else stated, semi vs bolt as well.
i recently started building my guns because of everything going on and i asked my friend i have one lower left what should i build ? He says do you have a 6.5 grendel and im like whats that? He just grinned and said you better look into it son i think your gonna like it. my last build was a LR308 DPMS AR10 and i havent had a chance to shoot it yet. From your video it looks like the 308 packs more of a punch but at the 600 yards. i dont know about yall but my 308 is super heavy compared to the other AR platforms. Is the 6.5 going to be the same weight as my 556 and do i just need a barrel,bcg and mag? I am definately going to build a 6.5 Grendel thank you guys for doing this video.
Yes you need a mag barrel and bolt. Don't overlook 6 ARC if your don't have one. It's is very similar to the 6.5 grendel but a little more effective range.
@@RobsReloading will the 6 arc use the same components and i forgot to ask type 1 or type 2?
@@wefilmfood4033 type 2 is the proper bolt for sammi chamber. Go with a reputable manufacturer that is all they will offer
@@RobsReloading 6arc looks like the future
Hey great video, I just subscribed!
I really like that stock on your 6.5. Which one is it? Thanks
it's 'cheap' russian ammo? is it really cheap though still?
i bet it's a dollar sign with every shot
Lol comparatively cheap. Also when all this was purchased it was very "cheap" lol
Back in April, I was getting Tula .308 locally for .60 per round which was really good, now they're under .50 if you buy online
Tbh at the time my friend bought 1k rounds of 308 tula 70 cents so not bad for 600 yards of play. Now that ammo is banned from coming into USA so lame
Sami is 6.7 on the Gren. When 6.7 is spinning 6 to 7 on right turn twist it tends to go to the right a spec .067 at 100 yards.
That 6.5 Grendel hits HARD
Apples n oranges
Not to be rude; why not load them both to match grade with comparative bullets? Maybe I'm being ignorant, but 1
I don't own or reload 308. The 308 is a friend's gun and he shoots what he wants to shoot.
Cheap steel case vs hand loads? That's like top shelf vs bargain bin not a good comparison
Cool
Bolt vs semi basically
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I seems to me that you are deliberately handicapping the 6.5 Grendel with that anemic load. There are many other loadings that give considerably better performance.
@michael byrd - My thoughts exactely. The russian steel case is known to be loaded with a weak charge and bullet is only 100 grain. Grendel performs best at 120-123 grain. Try some Hornady black 123.
After a lot of testing and reviews on TH-cam the 6.5 Grendel does shoot more accurately then the 308 it’s been proven already
@Trap Lord Ghost from all the data I have seen, the .308 only has the advantage up to 300 meters, and not a great deal at that. The .308 goes subsonic at, or a little before 800 meters. The Grendel has proven to hold supersonic at least to 1,000 meters.
@Trap Lord Ghost The video proved nothing. You used a substandard load for the testing. The data that I have seen, was from full power Grendel loads, and that makes a big difference.
@Trap Lord Ghost It would be helpful if you could form a coherent sentence.
That dude with the 308 must be a pretty good shot because tulamo sucks.
Not seeing that this proved anything
It was an enjoyable outing shooting. Wasn't meant to prove a point
6.5 is a waste of time you can’t find ammunition cases or bullets don’t bother