Good on you for pushing back, not only for yourself but for others as well. Your response is clear, well-spoken, and fair. It's very sad and unjust state of affairs. It's important as well for neurotypical people like myself to understand that we should not benefit from a world where neurodivergent people are treated in such a way. In regard to the arm forces, we have a right to represented by the best which should selected by proper training. The fact that even the document states that "service may appear unremarkable on examination" is particularly upsetting. To blanket deny such a large group of people in a discriminatory manner does not help find the best but instead pushes those with equal potential away. A certain part of society is always keen to keep things the way they are to protect their perceived interests.
Haha, if only I had know this 20 years ago when the Germany Bundeswehr drafted me. I sorta rejected them. and the alternative service you could do. A few months in the Bundeswehr arrest cell and 300hrs of work the judge sentenced me to didn't teach me anything. Putin changed my view quite a bit. Add AD(H)D to my Autism and I think I'll be a living nightmare to Ruzzian soldiers. Anyways, good luck with your quest, the army can only benefit from people who think differently, the defense Ukraine is putting up under high pressure and immense creativity is proof that adaptations are required on the modern battlefield.
Perhaps the military want people who will unquestioningly accept the authority of people above them in the hierarchy... I know that's an aspect of that type of institution that I'd find pretty difficult to deal with.
I think this is the biggest reason. It's crazy how much more common actually thinking about demands is for autistic people. This is where the "neurotypicals are NPCs" meme comes from. I will occasionally have a conversation with a neurotypical person in which I question why they do something, to be met with "just cause" "that's the way it's always been" "that's how it's meant to be, What do you mean why? That's just the way things are." And it hits me that the vast majority of people came into the world, were handed a script, and just blindly follow it until death. I remember being bullied and punished at Sunday school, just for asking basic questions about the Bible stories we were being fed. My desire to learn, and learn deeply and thoroughly, was seen as defiance and treated as such. Instead of realizing I was trying to piece together the mess of stories they were telling me, they assumed I was trying to poke holes in their beliefs. If simple inquiries from a child can poke holes all in your ideology, then it's probably not a solid ideology, certainly not something to live your every waking second by. I thought the other kids would see it for what it was, but nope. I am a very different person than all the people I grew up with, while they all share the vast majority of their beliefs and behaviors with their parents and grandparents. I think it's simply because I didn't understand or care that some questions are socially unacceptable. The neurotypical children get punished for asking "the wrong" questions and quickly accept that as the norm, but my punishments only reinforced my burning curiosity "But why?"
Sorry this happened. It is indicative of the dearth of up to date knowledge regarding the spectrum. It sounds to me like you would have been perfect for the role you were interested in. Are you going to take it further?
And, as for people who THINK, or CLAIM, they have a psychological disorder without ANY proof whatsoever, you should not take these people seriously. Especially in a time and culture where victimhood is prized and sought after, and (even with proof) modern psychology has become a complete joke, taking ideologically desirable outcomes, and emotions, over objective provable fact and professionalism. In short. People like to feel special, and like to lie. Today, that way of doing things, combined with insane ideological views, are all the way up to the highest level of government and the medical world. Which, incidentally, massively affects people with ACTUAL issues and otherwise invisible disabilities, and prevents them from being taken seriously, and even has them being mocked to an even greater degree than in the past, when nobody knew these issues existed. As a last point, the military doesn't deserve you, mate. Go somewhere where you extensive skills and abilities will be appreciated instead.
I wanted to join too, I'm autistic, i could have been perfect in the engineering wing. But nope. The diagnosis says no. It crushed my dreams as a kid
Good on you for pushing back, not only for yourself but for others as well. Your response is clear, well-spoken, and fair. It's very sad and unjust state of affairs. It's important as well for neurotypical people like myself to understand that we should not benefit from a world where neurodivergent people are treated in such a way. In regard to the arm forces, we have a right to represented by the best which should selected by proper training. The fact that even the document states that "service may appear unremarkable on examination" is particularly upsetting. To blanket deny such a large group of people in a discriminatory manner does not help find the best but instead pushes those with equal potential away. A certain part of society is always keen to keep things the way they are to protect their perceived interests.
Haha, if only I had know this 20 years ago when the Germany Bundeswehr drafted me. I sorta rejected them. and the alternative service you could do. A few months in the Bundeswehr arrest cell and 300hrs of work the judge sentenced me to didn't teach me anything. Putin changed my view quite a bit. Add AD(H)D to my Autism and I think I'll be a living nightmare to Ruzzian soldiers.
Anyways, good luck with your quest, the army can only benefit from people who think differently, the defense Ukraine is putting up under high pressure and immense creativity is proof that adaptations are required on the modern battlefield.
Perhaps the military want people who will unquestioningly accept the authority of people above them in the hierarchy... I know that's an aspect of that type of institution that I'd find pretty difficult to deal with.
I think this is the biggest reason. It's crazy how much more common actually thinking about demands is for autistic people. This is where the "neurotypicals are NPCs" meme comes from. I will occasionally have a conversation with a neurotypical person in which I question why they do something, to be met with "just cause" "that's the way it's always been" "that's how it's meant to be, What do you mean why? That's just the way things are." And it hits me that the vast majority of people came into the world, were handed a script, and just blindly follow it until death.
I remember being bullied and punished at Sunday school, just for asking basic questions about the Bible stories we were being fed. My desire to learn, and learn deeply and thoroughly, was seen as defiance and treated as such. Instead of realizing I was trying to piece together the mess of stories they were telling me, they assumed I was trying to poke holes in their beliefs. If simple inquiries from a child can poke holes all in your ideology, then it's probably not a solid ideology, certainly not something to live your every waking second by. I thought the other kids would see it for what it was, but nope.
I am a very different person than all the people I grew up with, while they all share the vast majority of their beliefs and behaviors with their parents and grandparents. I think it's simply because I didn't understand or care that some questions are socially unacceptable. The neurotypical children get punished for asking "the wrong" questions and quickly accept that as the norm, but my punishments only reinforced my burning curiosity "But why?"
Sorry this happened. It is indicative of the dearth of up to date knowledge regarding the spectrum. It sounds to me like you would have been perfect for the role you were interested in. Are you going to take it further?
Thankyou, Im going to try, I have a few ideas. :)
respect bud
And, as for people who THINK, or CLAIM, they have a psychological disorder without ANY proof whatsoever, you should not take these people seriously.
Especially in a time and culture where victimhood is prized and sought after, and (even with proof) modern psychology has become a complete joke, taking ideologically desirable outcomes, and emotions, over objective provable fact and professionalism.
In short. People like to feel special, and like to lie. Today, that way of doing things, combined with insane ideological views, are all the way up to the highest level of government and the medical world.
Which, incidentally, massively affects people with ACTUAL issues and otherwise invisible disabilities, and prevents them from being taken seriously, and even has them being mocked to an even greater degree than in the past, when nobody knew these issues existed.
As a last point, the military doesn't deserve you, mate. Go somewhere where you extensive skills and abilities will be appreciated instead.