I gotta say, it was refreshing to see a mature conversation like that online. It's not every day you see someone so willing to have a civil discussion, even with someone they disagree with. He definitely gained some respect. 👍
@@miep3934 since they stopped showing up, and deleted shoutouts of Star Wars Girl and JLongBottom in their Star Wars Rise of Skywalker video description, I guess they are gone different route, this time.
I think some younger people simply don't understand that 'villain' was a genuine direct insult/accusation used by people of Tolkien's generation, and their children. Both of my grandparents on my mother's side, and their eldest son, used to say 'he's a villain!' in earnest, during regular conversation. The association the term now possesses with genre fiction is an evolution that has caused Sam's line to mistakenly appear clunky, when in fact he's simply speaking in the same way as working class English people would back in the 1940s-1970s.
I’m going to be honest, Cinematic Venom came off as really good here. He was humble and open to his shortcomings and learned to laugh at himself. It’s good lessons we can all benefit from. And while I didn’t agree with some of his takes here about LOTRs, I commend him for being willing to change and interact with EFAP. Yes Mauler and company can be mean at times but how you deal with your critics can often be a good thing. It can help you grow and learn. And these podcasts when talking about media they can help future writers figure out what to and not to do. And the same is for content creators. Because we should always strive to do better.
Something that's I thought was pretty funny is that I saw a video CV put out on a secondary channel of his about his interactions with the toxic brood, and he had nothing but nice things to say about it.
I have watched EFAP 93 fifteen times from start to finish... Cinematic Venom was such a wonderful villain. so cruel and unjust in his judgement of Lord of the Rings he was, so that when EFAP found it and reviewed it their video shown down the brighter and put pay to words "That there is some good in this world and it's worth fighting for!" Now at the end of an age, through roasting and bad takes Cinematic Venom has returned to us anew, and no longer I look upon an enemy. The Cringe of Cinematic Venom is washing away!
Oh yeah. I drive 10 hours a day for work, perfect for an EFAP fan. And I have listened to the "Is LOTR Bad?" episode many times. Its so entertaining. It might be my fav episode, I would have to really think about it. I love how angry Weekend Warrior got. 🤣 Anything with Prof. Tosspot is a solid episode too.
I am almost certain the origial video was more than a little bit of trolling. He knew what he was doing, and it worked. I think he knew comparing LOTR to Harry Potter and leaning on the Sam/Frodo buttbuddy narrative would fire people right up 🤣. He got millions of views with insane interaction. And was hassled to the point of emotional breakdown... 🤣 but still, to make an omlette you gotta break some eggs.
@@gwoody4003 ah a fellow man of the road! It certainly was a troll to some extent but as someone who has watched his video through EFAP an unhealthy amount of time, I can say that it is the fact that Cinematic Venom was earnestly trying to deconstruct the movies which makes it so good. He genuinely misrepresented the movies and it was made all the more clear by his breakdown on Twitter after and then his real life breakdown and return, the guy really did believe a lot of what was in that video. The acting criticisms, the long shots, the "padding", a lot of that still reflexed in his new video. He is more enlightened now and props to him it takes a lot of fortitude to admit fault AND come onto the podcast that had so thoroughly ripped into your video and you as a person. reflexes well on him
Rob's redemption arc is so genuinely heart warming to see, full props to the man for having the maturity to revise his attitude and make amends with the EFAP crew 😊 Glad to hear things have turned around for him and hope to see him on here again in the future!
YMS is a lot like Jay from Redlettermedia. Encyclopedic knowledge of cinema and a far broader and more well-rounded approach to media then the 'story-trumps-all' laser-focus of EFAP, let down by arrogance that has accumulated from being the smartest man in the room far too many times than is healthy. YMS needs to get out of his comfort zone and put himself in situations where he can be challenged and debated by people he actually respects as equals, to prevent the intellectual stagnation from setting in permanently. Unlike Mauler, YMS has reached the point where he no longer truly listens and evaluates opposing views - he's become too comfortable in his own perspective. One of Mauler's greatest strengths is that he'll literally listen to anybody, no matter how ridiculous the opinion. This is what has made him such an excellent mediator and/or devil's advocate in online debates.
I think the point of the scene where Sam finds the bread is to motivate him into anger. He's dejected and depressed after Frodo dismisses him but he sees the bread and immediately all of that turns to rage
Fellow members of the Toxic Brood. Hear me! I see NOUGH REASON to deny a pardon for Cinematic Venom's crimes against cinema after being such a good sport and showing genuine self reflection.
With his original video about not liking the Lord of the rings.. I didn’t have a problem really with that per say but with the way he brought it across with the skits an that.. rubbed me the wrong way Good to see though that he took the criticism an used it to his advantage an had another go., plus seeing the extended versions this time which from his original video I don’t think he had seen
Timestamps 0:00 A Loud Introduction 0:58 The Fishman II 2:37 Rebel Moon (1) 4:30 Cinematic Venom (1) 9:30 Harry Potter 13:14 Over The Rainbow 14:09 Theatrical vs Extended 14:56 Preamble 18:50 The Video Starts 27:28 LOTR Background (1) 29:42 Smiling Friends 31:24 LOTR Background (2) 32:48 Jar Jar or Gollum 34:25 Rebel Moor (2) 35:26 LOTR Background (3) 36:59 JRRT vs LOTR + Tangents 43:11 Fellowship (1) 52:06 Little Nikky 53:08 Fellowship (2) 1:08:38 Bad Lines 1:12:14 Elrond 1:14:30 Motivation & Boromir 1:18:35 Frodo 1:21:15 Gandalf & Boromir 1:24:26 Legolas 1:35:54 Racist Orcs & Arks 1:42:30 Spoiler 1:44:16 Rating & Voices 1:46:14 Star Wars 1:47:51 The Two Towers (1) 1:50:34 Interruption 1:52:15 Battle of Helm’s Deep vs Battle of Winterfell 1:56:15 The Two Towers (2) 2:02:06 Return Of The King 2:27:02 Books & AudioBooks 2:27:47 Duration & Edits 2:28:12 The Video Ends 2:30:14 Conclusive Consideration 2:33:55 The Best Trilogy 2:35:18 New Movies 2:37:32 Godzilla 2:39:46 Indiana Jones 2:40:55 2023 2:42:30 What If… 2:47:18 Cinematic Venom (2) 2:49:20 The Rocky Ride 2:50:11 Worst MCU 2:56:44 Shortmanbad 2:55:05 Cinematic Venom (3) 2:59:41 Closing & Merry Christmas
The Cinematic Venom episode is my favourite EFAP, he was a great "EFAP villain", and its wonderful seeing him here now. Good on him for having the balls to come on and take part. It shows a lot of good character.
Well Mauler, Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the Master: His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster.
@@_Dovar_ I'm just amazed that everyone with a license slept on the massive potential of a Tom Bombadil rhythm kickfighter game. (edit: rhythm, not rythym. I carn spell fur sheet.)
For the "Frodo pushing Gollum into Mt Doom" idea, I'm glad they went with what they had. It's just so thematically on point that the Ring's corruptive influence is what forces Frodo and Gollum to fight over it, which in turn leads to the Ring effectively causing its own destruction when they both fall into the Crack of Doom.
@@timothymartensen9040 That's more like a "neat trivia and bonus points" kinda thing though. The movies do some things better than the books BECAUSE they do them differently. Just as the vice versa is also true.
@awhellnah__ How in the holiest of absolute *FUCKS* does "Frodo failing his mission" equate to "The *RING* is the true hero"...? I hope you stretched this morning, because you have a whole afternoon of mental gymnastics to pull off for *that* one, boyo.
The whole idea is Frodo's mercy toward Gollum is what allowed the world to be saved. Because he didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance, that's what allowed the ring to be destroyed. Frodo pushing him would have deeply undercut that.
Sam as well, at least in the book, since he also decides to spare Gollum outside Mount Doom. I wosh they had that in the movie too, perhaps by having like five seconds of Sam looking between the wounded Gollum and Frodo and deciding that helping Frodo is more important than killing Gollum
When I realised Venom would be on the episode I was expecting it to be a hilarious dumb debate. Then the man comes on and is just extremely reasonable and a lovely lad
You were asking about Sam and the Ring in the book. I don’t remember all the particulars, but I remember the Ring tried to tempt him with the image of a vast garden that he ruled, and he overcame it by remembering that that would be beyond his ability to tend, and him humbly accepting his place, sort of thing.
Regarding Legolas being just way too good/OP, Tolkien's elves are just built different. While Legolas is not the greatest elf warrior, let's not gloss over powerhouses like Fingolfin, Echtelion, or Glorfindel. Slaying Balrogs, wounding Morgoth in a duel (several times) - just small things like that. Or Finrod who tore a werewolf apart with his bare hands after being chained and imprisoned by Sauron. Compared to their feats fighting "mere" orcs, trolls, and some lanky elephants is not much.
WOW this is the Gimli guy??? I have mad respect for you for coming on! They were pretty brutal (reasonably so, but STILL!) and the fact that you reevaluated your review speaks volumes
The point of Gollum falling by accident is that no one could have willingly destroyed the Ring. It would just not let it happen. A higher power was neccesary. It is not mentioned directly in the Lord of the Rings, but Tolkien meant it to be a devine intervention in form of an "random accident". Also the reason why Elrond wouldn't take the Ring from Isildur - and even if he would have done so, Elrond would not have been able to destroy it.
1:21:00 Between Gandalf or Boromir dying being more heartbreaking, I would perhaps put it as Gandalf is the more obviously heartbreaking and it really wrecks all of the characters because they all love him and look up to him, but Boromir is the more intellectually heartbreaking if you actually understand his character (which we know that a great many people don't) and think about what his death means for himself and for the entire group (and story) in the long run.
This was such an awesome surprise. I took a peak at CV's channel a while back, and saw he actual had a chat with Mauler and company. I left a comment saying how id love to see him on Efap one day. Talk about a Christmas miracle lol. Shout out to Cinematic Venom for embracing the meme. This was fun to watch.
J.R.R. Tolkien died on September 2, 1973. The year has more significance than you realize. 3 = 3 rings for the race of Elves, 7 = 7 rings for the race of Dwarves, 9 = 9 rings for the race of men, 1 = 1 ring to rule them all.
@@Ron_Jambo_ Well what proof would they have that Elrond pushed him? If Elrond just came out & said "He dived into the lava with the ring, he must have felt it corrupting him & dived in to prevent himself falling to its dark power". What are the humans going to do or say?
Talk about a redemption arc! Good on Venom for seeing the error of his ways. The time travel gimmick was actually a pretty neat idea that actually works.
What a wholesome coming together of friends for Crimbobulous to- _Cinematic Venom?!?_ Good on him for coming on and spreading the joy of redemption to EFAP. Merrrrrrry Christmas!
This video was a pretty good usage of time travel. CV does a good job implementing it and having the two versions of himself. Nice concept. Redemption arc all around.
The reason stuff like shelob (the spider) ended up in the third movie is when the original one book was split into 3 by the publishers the intended timeline of events got kinda mixed up the order of events in the movies was actually jacksons attempt to restore it specifically that encounter was intended to line up with the siege of gondor rather than helms deep all along
As a kid I really liked Legolas. Especially because I got to play him in Return of the King game. He had to swords. It was awesome I think there is a place for overly competent competent characters as long as the world doesn't bend over backwards to facilitate it. Like John Wick is arguably a film about contemporary Legolas. Comes with an actor who can barely emote too
Oh shit, what a Christmas gift! Absolute mountains of props to CV for coming on, haven’t even started the vid yet (at work rn), but am really looking forward to this! Edit: 18 minutes in and I’m just loving this one. CV’s attitude is just really great, and he’s actually very fun to listen to here.
Rob sure seems to have grown a lot as a person since back then. It's just plain nice to see. Also, I enjoyed many of the jokes in the vid, so props for that as well.
Cinematic Venom has earned nothing but tremendous respect from me for his reflection and growth. What an amazing demonstration of self awareness and desire to learn, all while having a sense of humor.
50:05 the books go on to explain that Frodo had to deal with all the party guests that rushed him trying to figure out what was going on. Frodo also was the host of the party by proxy so it's unlikely he could've just left whenever.
Cinematic Venom is a mad lad for having the opinions he did and an even MADDER LAD for having the cahones to joun the crew and change from massive to Toxic brood ally
28:00 It was very much a different time, where adaptations were still thought of in terms of actually translating the source material. With all the context of today's climate, I'm sure Christopher Tolkien would tend to reconsider his assessment relative to the modern adaptation approach. I would be interested in his specific criticisms, though. I also wonder if Tolkien himself might have been more in favor of the Jackson trilogy than his son. It's possible that Christopher felt overly protective of his father's work and looked at all derivative works too narrowly. If true, I could relate to that, as I tend to be more protective of things people entrust into my care than my own stuff, you know? 2:05:00 And not only that, he was originally supposed to play Gandalf on Tolkien's own recommendation, but got talked into playing Saruman (ie. a "lesser" role (in terms of screen time)) instead. To then also be completely cut out of the third film must have been very hurtful - a very narrow-minded decision.
TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Sneak Peek at a Future EFAP Project! 1:01 - The Fisherman and Rebel Moon 4:20 - PreRecorded EFAP's confirmed and Anti Gay Memes 9:26 - "Is it as good as Harry Potter?" 13:13 - Frodo, Sam, and The Big Gay 18:50 - Video Starts 22:07 - Ancient Mystical Entity Named Dave 27:27 - Breaking The Space Time Continuum 45:54 - Love of Football
Props to venom again, it’s been a while at this point but it really does take a big person to take a step back and say “maybe I was wrong” and giving the media a fair chance. We all have our own biases and it can be hard to break though those biases. Good on you mate
10:15 I can't remember if it's answered in the movies but it is explained in the books. The school has protection around it which prevents any form of magical transportation from working without the Headmaster's approval but the Triwizard Cup had to be approved as a Portkey for the Task so Barty Crouch could use that and just add an extra destination. Plus Harry disappearing during the Task makes it easier to look like an accident
Yeah the challenge with HP is so much of the magic is over-powered as fuck and limiting them with rules and loopholes _without_ being super arbitrary and deus ex machina is something that'd stump even the best editor. LOTR is really insulated by the fact that the craziest magic we see is local physics-based stuff like the river's anti-wraith security system or smashing a bridge to collapse or causing a really bad storm. There isn't a "teleport to where this object came from" they could use the whole time that needs to be explained away. Closest we get to that is them not using the Eagles as transport, which is wonky but makes enough sense for us to let slide. The Portkey thing being a special exception to the school-wide ban makes enough sense as a technicality that helps the story function. The problem with Harry Potter is that _every plot item_ is "wonky and needs special caveats but makes _just enough_ sense for the story to function", and when it's that often it starts to pile up and give the whole story a "whatever happens happens because the writer says so" type of energy. While with LOTR you're immersed in the idea that even if Gandalf has deus ex machina powers of foresight, he _still_ has to physically ride 3 days to get somewhere. I really like HP but it's interesting to see the issue and think on how to avoid it in one's own writing
A lot of modern wizard tropes are based on Gandalf yeah. Gandalf himself was based on one of the avatars of Odin from Norse mythology. A form he would take on earth when interacting with people.
I know Saruman's death is usually singled out as THE scene that most needed to be restored to the theatrical cut, but I actually disagree: if I could restore just one, I'd rather have Boromir and Faramir's moment in Osgiliath. That scene adds so much _critical_ context to Faramir's whole storyline. The theatrical cut gives us no idea what Faramir's relationship with Boromir was like at all!
It pains me to admit it in part because of the "meta" of cutting out Christopher Lee but you're absolutely right that it's much more significant for character development both for Faramirs scenes to come and retroactively for Boromirs scenes before.
Such a nice redemption arc, but I would really like CV´s video about him debating with his past self to be something like smeagol debating gollum, being smeagol the new, nice, wholesome person and gollum to be the cringe past one, just to fit the theme of LOTR critique better.
44:30 Yes! He was exactly that dragon! Even what Bilbo stole from him was the same as what random thief stole from Beowulf's dragon! Somehow I instantly noticied that when reading Beowulf.
Not gonna lie, and I need to give absolute kudos to Cinematic Venom... that opening for his reupload was actually funny. Like genuinely. It had me laughing.
It’s crazy how none of them realize that Tolkien write in a secret page of The Silmarillion that dwarves hate hobbits especially ones whose names rhyme with Frodo
That was wonderful! Thank you, Venom, for being a good sport and working on your personal growth/introspection! I'm looking forward to seeing you back walking with EFAP because I think you could have a great time talking with then about stuff and playing fun games together! Wishing you the best!
Thanks for coming on, CV! I hope the efap community wasn’t too mean to you. We’re known to be a toxic brood of hate mongers. Merry Christmas, everyone!
when they say that it is odd that after the battle of Helms Deep, Gimli and Legolas have about the same kill count, i think they might have not considered all the things that happen in the fight. I so happen to have watched LOTR 2 at least 50 times or more (not important really) but, after the initial 17/2 ratio, Gimli is jumping on top of the wall between two ladders and is bashing with the axe the orcs as they climb them. Increasing his kill count quite a lot. Unusual how they did not snipe him with a crossbow, but the ladders were already on top of the wall so, it is somewhat believable that he is surviving this. And second thing, when Gimli and Aragorn jump on the bridge to defend the gate. They should score a few kills in there as well. Legolas does indeed take out a rope pulling a triple ladder on top of the keep, however even if those ladders bounce back to the ground, those are not kills. it is not believable that those heavily armored orcs would die from that fall damage. they would take damage, but not die. As a general rule, a melee soldier will score kills much faster than a bowman. The bowman simply has the advantage of safety, a higher survival rate.
Props to Venom for being such a good sport.
@@Amarenamann Humble too!
@@archstanton9073 And I heard he has a huggggeeeeeee [redacted]
I gotta say, it was refreshing to see a mature conversation like that online. It's not every day you see someone so willing to have a civil discussion, even with someone they disagree with. He definitely gained some respect. 👍
After they destroyed his TH-cam channel 😂
Cinematic Venom is my favourite efap redemption arc… for NOUGH REASON
Damn we already on a Redemption arc ?
Jay Exci: "Is my Rhino Milk a joke to you?"
@@miep3934I still think about that any time Jay is on
@@miep3934 since they stopped showing up, and deleted shoutouts of Star Wars Girl and JLongBottom in their Star Wars Rise of Skywalker video description, I guess they are gone different route, this time.
@@AlinaAniretake Any idea what's going on there? I don't go to Twitter so if there is some drama there, I'm out of the loop
"I was there Gandalf, I was there 3,000 hours ago... I was there when the strength of Gimli's plan to kill Frodo failed..."
I think some younger people simply don't understand that 'villain' was a genuine direct insult/accusation used by people of Tolkien's generation, and their children. Both of my grandparents on my mother's side, and their eldest son, used to say 'he's a villain!' in earnest, during regular conversation. The association the term now possesses with genre fiction is an evolution that has caused Sam's line to mistakenly appear clunky, when in fact he's simply speaking in the same way as working class English people would back in the 1940s-1970s.
Would be great to have Cinematic Vedom on future episodes analysing other videos! Pleeeeaase 😊
I’m going to be honest, Cinematic Venom came off as really good here. He was humble and open to his shortcomings and learned to laugh at himself. It’s good lessons we can all benefit from. And while I didn’t agree with some of his takes here about LOTRs, I commend him for being willing to change and interact with EFAP. Yes Mauler and company can be mean at times but how you deal with your critics can often be a good thing. It can help you grow and learn. And these podcasts when talking about media they can help future writers figure out what to and not to do. And the same is for content creators. Because we should always strive to do better.
Something that's I thought was pretty funny is that I saw a video CV put out on a secondary channel of his about his interactions with the toxic brood, and he had nothing but nice things to say about it.
The only thing i watched of his outside efap was a nostalgia critic retrospective wich i found pretty good at the time
This is the thing I absolutely love about EFAP, the redemption arcs.
It's called an anime comeback arc, baby
The words “do better” triggers me now but I see your point. 100% agreed.
Im genuinely surprised venom not only made it onto efap, but made a sequel to the original lotr video from so long ago
reacting to his own video was possibly one of the only things he could have done to be honest
@@ComradeCommissarYuri We got the respectable timeline.. He could've travelled back and doubled down with his past self
@awhellnah__ heard of yes watched videos of his or EFAP covering not sure have seen him in EFAP memes though I think
@@ComradeCommissarYuri Hasnt been a topic in a long time. He is more a villain of the pre 100 era
Seeing Cinematic Venom’s redemption Arc is the only thing that brings joy in my life.
For no reason!
*Boogie detected*
I prefer to watch their original cover of his trilogy. It was more entertaining.
I NEVER DID I NEVER DID I NEVER DID I NEVER DID
I have watched EFAP 93 fifteen times from start to finish... Cinematic Venom was such a wonderful villain. so cruel and unjust in his judgement of Lord of the Rings he was, so that when EFAP found it and reviewed it their video shown down the brighter and put pay to words "That there is some good in this world and it's worth fighting for!"
Now at the end of an age, through roasting and bad takes Cinematic Venom has returned to us anew, and no longer I look upon an enemy.
The Cringe of Cinematic Venom is washing away!
I never thought I'd review a video side by side with a cringe lord
What about side by side with a massive ?
Aye, I could do that.
That EFAP is the only thing that brings me joy in life
I watched it 5 times and was never bored
Oh yeah. I drive 10 hours a day for work, perfect for an EFAP fan. And I have listened to the "Is LOTR Bad?" episode many times. Its so entertaining. It might be my fav episode, I would have to really think about it.
I love how angry Weekend Warrior got. 🤣
Anything with Prof. Tosspot is a solid episode too.
I am almost certain the origial video was more than a little bit of trolling. He knew what he was doing, and it worked.
I think he knew comparing LOTR to Harry Potter and leaning on the Sam/Frodo buttbuddy narrative would fire people right up 🤣.
He got millions of views with insane interaction.
And was hassled to the point of emotional breakdown... 🤣 but still, to make an omlette you gotta break some eggs.
@@gwoody4003 ah a fellow man of the road! It certainly was a troll to some extent but as someone who has watched his video through EFAP an unhealthy amount of time, I can say that it is the fact that Cinematic Venom was earnestly trying to deconstruct the movies which makes it so good. He genuinely misrepresented the movies and it was made all the more clear by his breakdown on Twitter after and then his real life breakdown and return, the guy really did believe a lot of what was in that video.
The acting criticisms, the long shots, the "padding", a lot of that still reflexed in his new video. He is more enlightened now and props to him it takes a lot of fortitude to admit fault AND come onto the podcast that had so thoroughly ripped into your video and you as a person. reflexes well on him
Rob's redemption arc is so genuinely heart warming to see, full props to the man for having the maturity to revise his attitude and make amends with the EFAP crew 😊
Glad to hear things have turned around for him and hope to see him on here again in the future!
This is good enough to watch a second time already. Cheers to CV for joining the lore! The Don approves 👍
Notice how much more harshly he got it, yet how much more gracious he was than say, YMS.
YMS is frustrating. Maybe he should of had a healthier media diet when watching Lion King 2019.
YMS is indignant
I've lost some amount of respect for YMS to be perfectly honest. His subreddit is a leftist cesspool, as well.
YMS just needs to go to more film festivals.
YMS is a lot like Jay from Redlettermedia. Encyclopedic knowledge of cinema and a far broader and more well-rounded approach to media then the 'story-trumps-all' laser-focus of EFAP, let down by arrogance that has accumulated from being the smartest man in the room far too many times than is healthy. YMS needs to get out of his comfort zone and put himself in situations where he can be challenged and debated by people he actually respects as equals, to prevent the intellectual stagnation from setting in permanently. Unlike Mauler, YMS has reached the point where he no longer truly listens and evaluates opposing views - he's become too comfortable in his own perspective. One of Mauler's greatest strengths is that he'll literally listen to anybody, no matter how ridiculous the opinion. This is what has made him such an excellent mediator and/or devil's advocate in online debates.
Fair play to Cinematic Venom for coming on and re-evaluating things. Shows character.
I think the point of the scene where Sam finds the bread is to motivate him into anger. He's dejected and depressed after Frodo dismisses him but he sees the bread and immediately all of that turns to rage
"Wait...so I DIDN'T eat the bread!" :D
Huge thanks to CV for coming on. And also shoutouts for Wolf's appearance in chat.
Timestamp for Wolf in Chat?
@@heikira438 20:00 and 20:11
Fellow members of the Toxic Brood. Hear me! I see NOUGH REASON to deny a pardon for Cinematic Venom's crimes against cinema after being such a good sport and showing genuine self reflection.
The Don smiles this day!
Cinematic Venom gets my respect... also, true... he actually can be quite funny at times...
With his original video about not liking the Lord of the rings.. I didn’t have a problem really with that per say but with the way he brought it across with the skits an that.. rubbed me the wrong way
Good to see though that he took the criticism an used it to his advantage an had another go., plus seeing the extended versions this time which from his original video I don’t think he had seen
@@ComradeCommissarYurirubbed you the wrong way??? GAY
Timestamps
0:00 A Loud Introduction
0:58 The Fishman II
2:37 Rebel Moon (1)
4:30 Cinematic Venom (1)
9:30 Harry Potter
13:14 Over The Rainbow
14:09 Theatrical vs Extended
14:56 Preamble
18:50 The Video Starts
27:28 LOTR Background (1)
29:42 Smiling Friends
31:24 LOTR Background (2)
32:48 Jar Jar or Gollum
34:25 Rebel Moor (2)
35:26 LOTR Background (3)
36:59 JRRT vs LOTR + Tangents
43:11 Fellowship (1)
52:06 Little Nikky
53:08 Fellowship (2)
1:08:38 Bad Lines
1:12:14 Elrond
1:14:30 Motivation & Boromir
1:18:35 Frodo
1:21:15 Gandalf & Boromir
1:24:26 Legolas
1:35:54 Racist Orcs & Arks
1:42:30 Spoiler
1:44:16 Rating & Voices
1:46:14 Star Wars
1:47:51 The Two Towers (1)
1:50:34 Interruption
1:52:15 Battle of Helm’s Deep vs Battle of Winterfell
1:56:15 The Two Towers (2)
2:02:06 Return Of The King
2:27:02 Books & AudioBooks
2:27:47 Duration & Edits
2:28:12 The Video Ends
2:30:14 Conclusive Consideration
2:33:55 The Best Trilogy
2:35:18 New Movies
2:37:32 Godzilla
2:39:46 Indiana Jones
2:40:55 2023
2:42:30 What If…
2:47:18 Cinematic Venom (2)
2:49:20 The Rocky Ride
2:50:11 Worst MCU
2:56:44 Shortmanbad
2:55:05 Cinematic Venom (3)
2:59:41 Closing & Merry Christmas
Thanks!
@@coolvibesradio3267 you're welcome! Merry Christmas
@@JulianDoe Merry Christmas Timestampman!
thanks
The Cinematic Venom episode is my favourite EFAP, he was a great "EFAP villain", and its wonderful seeing him here now. Good on him for having the balls to come on and take part. It shows a lot of good character.
Thanks! I'm super high and listening to this while, at 58 years old, playing my first video game. Merry Christmas!
Which one?
@DaMaster012 LOTR - Two Towers. Game - Bioshock.
Epic
@@Sue20022010Solid choice
Elves make up 13 percent of the population but account for 50 percent of all violent arrow crime
And they love basketball
@@TobyLerone76 for nough reason
I absolutely love that he's roasting his own video here, great fun episode, always love when someone you previously did a video on comes on the show
Unironically one of the better time-travel stories
Well Mauler, Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the Master: His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster.
He was a great hero in "Battle for Middle-Earth II".
@@_Dovar_ I'm just amazed that everyone with a license slept on the massive potential of a Tom Bombadil rhythm kickfighter game.
(edit: rhythm, not rythym. I carn spell fur sheet.)
No worries about the spelling@@harbl99 you just need to _aim striggly_ at the right keys in future.
For the "Frodo pushing Gollum into Mt Doom" idea, I'm glad they went with what they had. It's just so thematically on point that the Ring's corruptive influence is what forces Frodo and Gollum to fight over it, which in turn leads to the Ring effectively causing its own destruction when they both fall into the Crack of Doom.
It also fits better with what happens in the book.
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That's more like a "neat trivia and bonus points" kinda thing though.
The movies do some things better than the books BECAUSE they do them differently. Just as the vice versa is also true.
Lol crack of doom
@awhellnah__
How in the holiest of absolute *FUCKS* does "Frodo failing his mission" equate to "The *RING* is the true hero"...?
I hope you stretched this morning, because you have a whole afternoon of mental gymnastics to pull off for *that* one, boyo.
@awhellnah__ You'd better schedule a doctor's appointment ASAP, because you strained every muscle in your body stretching that hard
“A cinematic venom redemption arc is the only thing that gives me joy in life.”
~Bopittostart Bofadem
The whole idea is Frodo's mercy toward Gollum is what allowed the world to be saved. Because he didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance, that's what allowed the ring to be destroyed. Frodo pushing him would have deeply undercut that.
Frodo's or Bilbo's?
@@_Dovar_ Both.
Sam as well, at least in the book, since he also decides to spare Gollum outside Mount Doom. I wosh they had that in the movie too, perhaps by having like five seconds of Sam looking between the wounded Gollum and Frodo and deciding that helping Frodo is more important than killing Gollum
Sometimes, I still remember the original review when AS referred to Pippin as "Scotty Pippen" and I laugh randomly.
An underrated EFAP moment.
When I realised Venom would be on the episode I was expecting it to be a hilarious dumb debate. Then the man comes on and is just extremely reasonable and a lovely lad
What a lad. Really respect Rob for coming on. Hope he's doing well
I'm not usually a fan of skits, but the one in the beginning of the video was actually really funny lol
You were asking about Sam and the Ring in the book. I don’t remember all the particulars, but I remember the Ring tried to tempt him with the image of a vast garden that he ruled, and he overcame it by remembering that that would be beyond his ability to tend, and him humbly accepting his place, sort of thing.
Cinematic Venom's a funny dude. Wouldn't be disappointed if he came back in future EFAPs.
Can't wait for SW Theory and Cinematic Venom to show up on EFAP 300 ❤
Regarding Legolas being just way too good/OP, Tolkien's elves are just built different. While Legolas is not the greatest elf warrior, let's not gloss over powerhouses like Fingolfin, Echtelion, or Glorfindel. Slaying Balrogs, wounding Morgoth in a duel (several times) - just small things like that.
Or Finrod who tore a werewolf apart with his bare hands after being chained and imprisoned by Sauron.
Compared to their feats fighting "mere" orcs, trolls, and some lanky elephants is not much.
I was just watching the original video yesterday.
I love LOTR so I'm definitely gay, for no reason.
WOW this is the Gimli guy??? I have mad respect for you for coming on! They were pretty brutal (reasonably so, but STILL!) and the fact that you reevaluated your review speaks volumes
I KNOW RIGHT? You can't fault them for roasting him over a horrible video on TH-cam, but my God, what a turnaround.
The point of Gollum falling by accident is that no one could have willingly destroyed the Ring. It would just not let it happen. A higher power was neccesary. It is not mentioned directly in the Lord of the Rings, but Tolkien meant it to be a devine intervention in form of an "random accident". Also the reason why Elrond wouldn't take the Ring from Isildur - and even if he would have done so, Elrond would not have been able to destroy it.
1:21:00 Between Gandalf or Boromir dying being more heartbreaking, I would perhaps put it as Gandalf is the more obviously heartbreaking and it really wrecks all of the characters because they all love him and look up to him, but Boromir is the more intellectually heartbreaking if you actually understand his character (which we know that a great many people don't) and think about what his death means for himself and for the entire group (and story) in the long run.
Jesus Christ. The intro to your review was a masterpiece Cinematic Venom. Kudos.
This was such an awesome surprise. I took a peak at CV's channel a while back, and saw he actual had a chat with Mauler and company. I left a comment saying how id love to see him on Efap one day. Talk about a Christmas miracle lol. Shout out to Cinematic Venom for embracing the meme. This was fun to watch.
J.R.R. Tolkien died on September 2, 1973.
The year has more significance than you realize.
3 = 3 rings for the race of Elves,
7 = 7 rings for the race of Dwarves,
9 = 9 rings for the race of men,
1 = 1 ring to rule them all.
Wow. What a major coincidence.
Some synchronicity type stuff
I'm glad to see CV on here's laughing and having a good time. I went to see his other videos and he genuinely has a love for film.
If elrond was evil enough to kill isildur to get the ring from him chances are he'll be evil enough to keep it for his own
what if he pushed him tho...imo hundreds of thousands of people died because he didn't
@@gilgamesh8334You realize the only possible issue would be a total war between elves and humans ? How is that better than what actually happened ?
@@Ron_Jambo_ Well what proof would they have that Elrond pushed him? If Elrond just came out & said "He dived into the lava with the ring, he must have felt it corrupting him & dived in to prevent himself falling to its dark power". What are the humans going to do or say?
Talk about a redemption arc! Good on Venom for seeing the error of his ways. The time travel gimmick was actually a pretty neat idea that actually works.
I must say this is a surprise but a welcome one and bravo for CV for being a good sport.
Former massives that became part of Toxic brood: Jay, Star Wars Theory, Full Fat Videos, Cinematic Venom...the list goes on.
Can't forget Moriarty
You know who else would be great on that list too? Chris Stuckman.
Tonald! Though he was never really a massive.
What a wholesome coming together of friends for Crimbobulous to- _Cinematic Venom?!?_
Good on him for coming on and spreading the joy of redemption to EFAP. Merrrrrrry Christmas!
This video was a pretty good usage of time travel. CV does a good job implementing it and having the two versions of himself. Nice concept. Redemption arc all around.
The reason stuff like shelob (the spider) ended up in the third movie is when the original one book was split into 3 by the publishers the intended timeline of events got kinda mixed up the order of events in the movies was actually jacksons attempt to restore it specifically that encounter was intended to line up with the siege of gondor rather than helms deep all along
You were an entertaining guest, Rob, and your video got a few laughs out of me too. Hope we get to see more of you in the future!
"I never thought I'd watch LotR with Cinematic Venom"
"What about watching it with a friend?"
"Aye. I could do that..."
As a kid I really liked Legolas. Especially because I got to play him in Return of the King game. He had to swords. It was awesome
I think there is a place for overly competent competent characters as long as the world doesn't bend over backwards to facilitate it. Like John Wick is arguably a film about contemporary Legolas. Comes with an actor who can barely emote too
Oh shit, what a Christmas gift!
Absolute mountains of props to CV for coming on, haven’t even started the vid yet (at work rn), but am really looking forward to this!
Edit: 18 minutes in and I’m just loving this one. CV’s attitude is just really great, and he’s actually very fun to listen to here.
Rob sure seems to have grown a lot as a person since back then.
It's just plain nice to see. Also, I enjoyed many of the jokes in the vid, so props for that as well.
Cinematic Venom has earned nothing but tremendous respect from me for his reflection and growth. What an amazing demonstration of self awareness and desire to learn, all while having a sense of humor.
50:05 the books go on to explain that Frodo had to deal with all the party guests that rushed him trying to figure out what was going on. Frodo also was the host of the party by proxy so it's unlikely he could've just left whenever.
Oh, look. A Christmas Miracle!
...
Sort of?
It's close enough for government work.
It's technically a miracle, the best kind of miracle!
@@lordofthepizzapie9319resident evil efap movie reference or did they get that from something else?
Cinematic Venom is a mad lad for having the opinions he did and an even MADDER LAD for having the cahones to joun the crew and change from massive to Toxic brood ally
28:00 It was very much a different time, where adaptations were still thought of in terms of actually translating the source material. With all the context of today's climate, I'm sure Christopher Tolkien would tend to reconsider his assessment relative to the modern adaptation approach. I would be interested in his specific criticisms, though. I also wonder if Tolkien himself might have been more in favor of the Jackson trilogy than his son. It's possible that Christopher felt overly protective of his father's work and looked at all derivative works too narrowly. If true, I could relate to that, as I tend to be more protective of things people entrust into my care than my own stuff, you know?
2:05:00 And not only that, he was originally supposed to play Gandalf on Tolkien's own recommendation, but got talked into playing Saruman (ie. a "lesser" role (in terms of screen time)) instead. To then also be completely cut out of the third film must have been very hurtful - a very narrow-minded decision.
Cinematic Venom: the villain has died, and been reborn Cinematic Venom: the friend.
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 - Sneak Peek at a Future EFAP Project!
1:01 - The Fisherman and Rebel Moon
4:20 - PreRecorded EFAP's confirmed and Anti Gay Memes
9:26 - "Is it as good as Harry Potter?"
13:13 - Frodo, Sam, and The Big Gay
18:50 - Video Starts
22:07 - Ancient Mystical Entity Named Dave
27:27 - Breaking The Space Time Continuum
45:54 - Love of Football
Neat. 🐸
You guys really need to reach out to Braeden Alberti.
If you give a man a fish, he's fed for a day.
If you give a man a rebel moon, he's still hungry.
@@Coconut-219If a fire is built for a man, he'll be warm for the night;
if a man is set on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
@@Coconut-219 If you give a man a Rebel Moon, he dies of food poisoning.
The Don has blessed us with another Christmas eve.
There needs to be a “Don Foundation” to help those that have been affected by “The Annihilator” lol it’s Annihiator right?
"Is it secret? Is it safe?" Gandalf said calmly.
Gandalf the gay, for nough reason
"Harry! Did you put your Name into the Goblet!?!" Dumbledor said calmly.
"Abandon your posts! Flee! Flee for your lives!" said Denethor, son of Ecthelion, calmly.
"Share the load!" Sam said calmly
This was the character arc I never expected but I'm so happy it did. Good tidings to all, my toxic massive brood ❤
This is really cool. Venom had a great sense of humor through the whole thing. Its always cool to see people become friends.
Wait, the man himself came to discuss his own disaster of a review?
My utmost respect for that
Cinematic Venom has had a greater redemption arc than Loki. He has earned his place in the hallways of Donhalla. 🌅
Props to venom again, it’s been a while at this point but it really does take a big person to take a step back and say “maybe I was wrong” and giving the media a fair chance. We all have our own biases and it can be hard to break though those biases. Good on you mate
10:15 I can't remember if it's answered in the movies but it is explained in the books. The school has protection around it which prevents any form of magical transportation from working without the Headmaster's approval but the Triwizard Cup had to be approved as a Portkey for the Task so Barty Crouch could use that and just add an extra destination. Plus Harry disappearing during the Task makes it easier to look like an accident
Yeah the challenge with HP is so much of the magic is over-powered as fuck and limiting them with rules and loopholes _without_ being super arbitrary and deus ex machina is something that'd stump even the best editor.
LOTR is really insulated by the fact that the craziest magic we see is local physics-based stuff like the river's anti-wraith security system or smashing a bridge to collapse or causing a really bad storm. There isn't a "teleport to where this object came from" they could use the whole time that needs to be explained away.
Closest we get to that is them not using the Eagles as transport, which is wonky but makes enough sense for us to let slide.
The Portkey thing being a special exception to the school-wide ban makes enough sense as a technicality that helps the story function.
The problem with Harry Potter is that _every plot item_ is "wonky and needs special caveats but makes _just enough_ sense for the story to function", and when it's that often it starts to pile up and give the whole story a "whatever happens happens because the writer says so" type of energy.
While with LOTR you're immersed in the idea that even if Gandalf has deus ex machina powers of foresight, he _still_ has to physically ride 3 days to get somewhere.
I really like HP but it's interesting to see the issue and think on how to avoid it in one's own writing
Efap and oneyplays are my two TH-cam faves so hearing them praise Smiling Friends brings christmas warmth to my cool, 15-chambered heart
Erm, Stop self promoting Tomar we know its you sigh...
A lot of modern wizard tropes are based on Gandalf yeah. Gandalf himself was based on one of the avatars of Odin from Norse mythology. A form he would take on earth when interacting with people.
Just without the eye-patch.
I know Saruman's death is usually singled out as THE scene that most needed to be restored to the theatrical cut, but I actually disagree: if I could restore just one, I'd rather have Boromir and Faramir's moment in Osgiliath. That scene adds so much _critical_ context to Faramir's whole storyline. The theatrical cut gives us no idea what Faramir's relationship with Boromir was like at all!
It pains me to admit it in part because of the "meta" of cutting out Christopher Lee but you're absolutely right that it's much more significant for character development both for Faramirs scenes to come and retroactively for Boromirs scenes before.
Can we point to this video as one of the rare, "uses time travel pretty okay?" Occasions? Lol
THE MAN HIMSELF IS HERE????? FUCK YES, that episode made me laugh so much, ive watched it like 5 times now lol :) what a good Christmas ❤️
Such a nice redemption arc, but I would really like CV´s video about him debating with his past self to be something like smeagol debating gollum, being smeagol the new, nice, wholesome person and gollum to be the cringe past one, just to fit the theme of LOTR critique better.
44:30
Yes! He was exactly that dragon! Even what Bilbo stole from him was the same as what random thief stole from Beowulf's dragon! Somehow I instantly noticied that when reading Beowulf.
Merry Christmas toxic brood and HappyFestivius and a good old fashioned Whacking Day. May you bag many snakes.
Merry Christmas!
I really enjoyed this livestream. I enjoyed Rob's new LOTR review too.
Like MauLer said, EFAP chat very much respect any creators that come on after such a shellacking from the lads. And he got Wolf at only 4/10
Not gonna lie, and I need to give absolute kudos to Cinematic Venom... that opening for his reupload was actually funny. Like genuinely. It had me laughing.
Gandalf was inspired by Odin in the mythology.
regarding frodo checking the house: he had to calm down all the guests of bilbo‘s party first..
Yeah with Bilbo missing, he has to take over as the party host and deal with everyone's bullshit.
It’s crazy how none of them realize that Tolkien write in a secret page of The Silmarillion that dwarves hate hobbits especially ones whose names rhyme with Frodo
That was wonderful! Thank you, Venom, for being a good sport and working on your personal growth/introspection! I'm looking forward to seeing you back walking with EFAP because I think you could have a great time talking with then about stuff and playing fun games together! Wishing you the best!
Thanks for coming on, CV! I hope the efap community wasn’t too mean to you. We’re known to be a toxic brood of hate mongers.
Merry Christmas, everyone!
34:04 I mean partly it was done with a Starkid Fan musical called "Ani: A parody" - there Darth Vader found Jar Jar on Tattooine
You lot talking about Aquaman
Rags: “do they still play his theme??”
Me: “Quick play Ackbar’s theme!!!”
Truly a Christmas miracle, thank you massives!
Dude, what the frick. I've showed my GF the old video and seeing you on here is so gutsy; you're FUCKING awesome
This dude is a legend for coming on. Love this community so damn much!
I watched the original EFAP episode 3 times. Thank you CV for bringing me so much joy, originally. About to watch this one first time! ❤
CV redemption arc was a perfect Christmas gift.
would love to hear Wolf's take on this...wherever he maybe.
He was in the chat earlier in the stream as the EFAP Highlights account.
I dreaded watching this one a little bit. But it was very good.
The redemption is real.
Another penitant bows before Darth Longious....
Oh shit the "FOR NO REASON!" guy!!!!!
Edit: Holy crap. I didn't expect the the character arc
Well well how the turns have tabled
Charismatic Venom.
Thats Brilliant, thank you CinematicVenom. Im...Im proud of you❤😂❤! Have yourself a wonderful day!
when they say that it is odd that after the battle of Helms Deep, Gimli and Legolas have about the same kill count, i think they might have not considered all the things that happen in the fight. I so happen to have watched LOTR 2 at least 50 times or more (not important really) but, after the initial 17/2 ratio, Gimli is jumping on top of the wall between two ladders and is bashing with the axe the orcs as they climb them. Increasing his kill count quite a lot. Unusual how they did not snipe him with a crossbow, but the ladders were already on top of the wall so, it is somewhat believable that he is surviving this. And second thing, when Gimli and Aragorn jump on the bridge to defend the gate. They should score a few kills in there as well. Legolas does indeed take out a rope pulling a triple ladder on top of the keep, however even if those ladders bounce back to the ground, those are not kills. it is not believable that those heavily armored orcs would die from that fall damage. they would take damage, but not die. As a general rule, a melee soldier will score kills much faster than a bowman. The bowman simply has the advantage of safety, a higher survival rate.
Redemption arc is now complete. Long time coming!