When Juno 60 came out in 1982 I was 16 years old and I couldn't afford it. The same happens today with those crazy prices. Thus I bought 2 JU-06A with half the price of a vintage Juno 60 but in turn I got also a Juno 106. This is a great bang for the buck
juno 106 gonna give you so many more problems than a 6 or 60, say goodbye to at least every voice chip in that guy, when you get replacements, grab the ones on syntaur. theyre reverse engineered and lack the conductive coating
Hi everyone! As you can hear the new Boutique is really close to the original. During the recording I realised how much nonsense you can find on the web explaining that only the original is the real thing. And now? Honestly I don`t feel the need to have the original (which is now around 3k$). I can buy two JU-06A synths, double the polyphony and save lots of desk space. Not to mention that I can take the JU-06A almost everywhere and have the Juno-106 and 60 along with me ;) So please don`t waste your time for searching arguments, get some synths and start making music :) Cheers!
Yeah, correct, i like some analog and some digital synthies and i don't care if i use analog or digital, every synth is a tool in my eyes to make MUSIC, nothing more...
also - if you consider the fact majority of the music we listen in those days is always mp3 / something else / stream where we loosing a lot of initial quality and details - what's the point of spending 3k on something that will be heard by maybe 1% of listeners?
It won`t be heard even by 1%. Those tracks will go to mix where they probably get some EQ/compression or FX treatment so they will lose even more than the nuances and will get another character. Not to mention that everything analog you record to a computer DAW becomes digital. Roland did a great job here, not every emulation is fantastic but this comparison encouraged me to do more Boutique VS Original tests :)
Also If you have the right tools used good enough then music converted to mp3 can still sound awesome compared to shitty made mixes in mp3. So it's a good thing to have good sounding gear but there's no "with only this and that you will able to do it".
You right for sure Hunart..I heard the difference, BUT they are not so big to justify 3k€ to me too..I'm talking about difference in frequency response, the old Juno have more mids..BUT, today, we cand fix this in many way, we all have so many tool that we can use to give to our sounds a great makeup ;) Cheers!!
My JU06a arrives next week. On that day the clouds will part, the sun will shine, Hallelujah Chorus will ring from the heavens and life will be good once again!
Great work in matching levels - although the Juno-60 has a little more warmth and presence, the JU-06a is quite close, and would be even closer with a little bit of eq applied.
Why oh why Roland? WHY?! ffs why can the external clock in on the JU-06a work with the step sequencer but NOT the ARPEGIATOR? Why? are you nuts? The SH-01a ext clock works with arp & sequencer. The Original Juno 6, Juno 60, Jupiter 4, 6 & 8, the SH-101, all of these had arpegiators that clock synced via the external clock in via a drum machine trigger. Why build in a arpeggiator section that is hugely prominent on the front panel and the marketing, then build an external clk input, and not use in for the arp. Utter insanity. I want an answer. Anyone got an answer for me?
I do not like only 4 voices. I would love a 61 key version, maybe add random mode to arpeggiator but leave everything else the same as it looks awesome. The sound is really good. You have the best video out there on this.... great job!
@@synthartist69 thanks I thought that's what it meant. I don't see any issue with that as mostly be using this for bass lines and arpeggios. 7th chords for me anyway are unlikely to be used on this machine with these types of sounds. Imo thses types of sounds are for basslines and arpeggios so unlikely to use those kinds of chords with this. You can't anyway 😂
@@synthartist69 p.s BTW surely 4 voice only is not the correct termology? I mean to say 4 voices means 4 separate sounds. Notes and voices are different things. Am I nit picking? 😂 Just explaining why I need clarification as 4 voices only doesn't really mean 4 notes to me. Like I know 1 note only is monophonic, maybe they just haven't created a proper term for 4 note only. Polyphonic means several notes. 4 note? No name for maybe? But it is what it is. Stuck with only 4 notes at a time. 😂
@@synthartist69 sorry another comment but I know what it is.. (Google) the term for this is that it is 4 note polysynth. Apologies for correcting you but I was unsure what you meant by 4 voices only. ;)
They sound pretty much same, ACB technology by Roland is pretty awesome. And any possible difference wont be heard in mix anyways.. But... Roland with their stupidity and arrogancy and not listening to their customers made it again 4 voices only and well. Its not possible to use it as real Juno (meaning the stuff we all love on Juno - pads and chords). Voice stealing that will start to occur is simply show stopper.
You can get 2 juno boutiques and chain them together for 8 voices in total, It's in the manual. And also, from what I understood is that in order to make the juno boutique have 6 or 8 voices in the for the same price ($399) Roland will need to drop the sample rate to 48 kHz instead of 96 kHz. Either that or pay almost double the price and have an additional chip to make it 8 voices. So the ideal option is to chain 2 together for a total price of $798
@@t.kahraba763 Never saw anyone practically using chained Roland boutiques for production / performing (I dont really count youtube demos). They often go out of sync (latency) and stability is questionable (long time JP-08 user here). For 800$ there is Deepmind 12 or if you add more, you get Korg Prologue 8. Or in my case, I just rather found and am using original Juno.
It's close. I have a feeling if I got the JU-06A, I'd end up being irritated with the subtle areas where it falls short and doing what I ended up doing with the Behringer Model D. (I ended up buying a Minimoog reissue and being very happy I did...)
Great video. I like that you put the comparison in the context of a song. They sound super close to me, definitely close enough that I'd prefer the JU-06A, but I hear a bit more of an attack on the 60. Maybe a bit more velocity sensitivty too, but that could just be a difference in the fader calibration. The only thing stopping me from getting the JU-06A is that I already have a Rev2. Is there stuff the Juno(s) can do that the Rev2 can't?
Have you omitted the chorus comparison for some reason? Honest question. Other than that, I'm still confirming what I already heard before: the lower registers on the JU60 are deeper, while the highs are smoother (specially noticeable on the part you gradually open the filter). To me the boutique feels bandwidth constrained and it shows a certain shrillness on the top end. And TH-cam compression is already cutting the frequency range so real-life should be even more apparent, in my experience. The difference is not big though, but it is hearable. Can It be corrected in post? Definitely, proper EQ can overcome this. There's no way around the 4-note limit though, and Roland's poly chain on the boutiques is plain weird regarding note assignment, so that application is limited as well. Don't get me wrong, it's GREAT for the price but I don't agree it's almost the same as the original in practice.
I didn't have time for the chorus, especially that you can add to it two types of noise in the JU-06A. Next month I'll have my own so I will do anorher comparison. The thing is (and it can generate lots of differences) that it's really hard to set both synths equally. The faders of the original are old and in these examples I've had to set some of them differently. Even half mm can generate a bit different low end (especially with the filter). Probably it's possible to set things 100% but then we're going in to micromilimeters. I'm not saying it's the same sound. It's really close and I'm just not the guy who is interested in +/- 0,2-0,5db differences between two synths. Polyphony is another topic, personally I don't care about it. If I want to make chords with a mono synth it's not a big problem. It's a shame that we give bravos to Behringer which is still just close to the originals but hey - it's analog! What If the JU-06A would be analog but with the same sound you hear now? Probably lots of us would change their mind. Anyway, thanks much for the input. Nice to have a bigger conversaton here :)
@@esersound1 Behringer is the elephant in the room tbh, with their own set of pros and cons. On the pros side, they're doing products with an excellent build quility and form factor with spacey interfaces and excellent mechanical feel, even regardless of price. They hit the ball out of the park with the Model D, honestly. I've compared it side by side with a 1972 Model D and while there are knob range differences, they can be made to sound essentially the same under critical listening. The rest of the lineup I'm not so confident about, the MS-101 also sounded less smooth than the original 101 and behaved more aggressive on the extremes (where I usually like the 101 to be). So there's a big fat "depends" on Behringer's efforts for me. I think there's a lot to say about the originals still, even if old and cumbersome big. I'm also biased cause I refurb and service my own synths. But the clone market is also favoring the price moderation on some classic models like the Ody, MS20 and original Minimoog, so that's a positive thing.
"and while there are knob range differences, they can be made to sound essentially the same under critical listening" See, that's what I wrote before :) These are hours of work and listening to make it right and I just wrote that you can probably do the same with the JU and Juno. :) I don't want to talk about build quality, have some dofferent experience but there's nothing to complain about in this price range. I'm talking about people thinking that If a Behringer clone fails to recreate somerhing in 100% than it's ok because it's cheap and analog but If Roland fales to do that than it's shit and just VA. That's the problem. I make music with everything I can use and don't call bad any products which I don't like. I think that Roland did a great job and in return I get arguments that the difference is big (which I don't hear that big on 2,5k$ studio monitors). The question is what does "big", "small", etc mean for us?
@@esersound1 Right, it's all relative. As a product though, I think Behringer offers more for the money than current Roland, regardless of analogue or digital. It's reasonable to feel you're getting more for your money in full analogue circuitry than paying for a box with a DSP. You might also feel that difference when pushing an instrument more towards the extremes, analogue just behaves more gracefully. But then you might not be interested in the extremes and digital is fine. On top of that I really didn't like the flimsy feel of the JU-06 boutique when I had it around, really shameful for the 400€ they asked for it. There are several factors that make a product at the end of the day and each of us is sensible to different pros and cons. For me the 4 voices is a dealbreaker and departure from the original instrument. As a sidenote, you probably watched Loopop's comparative called "Can you tell the difference?" which is less music contextual and more analytical. Listened in isolation there are a few critical points where the JU-06A sounds absolutely different, I'm sure everyone can tell. But then a musical context might be the only thing that matters to others.
Yes I saw it. For me the music context is more important. Anyway, I don’t want to argue about “surgery” and Behringer or Roland quality, I know all of the backgrounds from first hands but the discussion is not about that. I’ve played, touched and tried hundreds of instruments and there were only one or two which didn’t hit the bar. There are no bad instruments, just people with or without imagination. For you the 4 voice polyphony is a dealbreaker, ok. For me a limitation which helps my creativity. You will probably gonwith the original and I will pick up the boutique. We will then have one thing in common - no one will know what synth you are and I am playing in our music. Until you tell them ;) That’s why close enough is enough and we shouldn’t give a damn to 2-5% of differences.
The several tones interact very differently. There's more life, fullness or saturation in the vintage Juno for sure, but more than that, the analog has a strange warmth to it that I never heard elsewhere. And how the keys landed on that baby was otherworldly, I should have never sold it. Bucket list: play a Jupiter 8 in DUAL mode, than I can die in a mushroom cloud for all I care.
The difference is in the harmonics, the Juno 60 has more weight to its tone more warmth and you can clearly hear the harmonics.But non the less I'm getting one, cause it has Juno 106 inside too, does the Jubo has 106 engine? No. Yeah, ok less polyphony, but 8 can live with that. Layering solves the problem in a studio.
Thanks, really great video. But I had expected them to sound a lot closer. Really the JU-06A sounds so clinical next to the Juno, which seems to have a richer and slightly less predictable quality to its sound. I think the differences between the two in the first couple of patches are like night and day.
I don't know about you but I am not hearing any difference at all, if there is it is very very slight. Got mines coming Thursday. Missed them so had to change delivery day. Had a juno 6 in early 80's I regret getting rid of it and now would cost me a fortune to replace. So this seems like it will satisfy me missing my juno 6 also possibly better as it is a 106 which I think is more diverse that the juno 6. The juno 6 I had, could create some of the best analogue bass sounds I ever heard.
I have the ju06a 2 weeks now. Great synth, I have a bit of my juno 6 back that I sold years ago. and the juno 106 as bonus super !! First day in my setup I thought there was something wrong with the ju06a weird hum from the output it didn't come through the usb because I have several boutiques. And what was the problem? Stupid mistake by myself. midi out of my interface to midi out of the ju06. That was the noise problem🤭. Keep making music✌️
@@rachitpassi9091 Hey Rachit Passi, On my pc it does have a hum. On my laptop no problems. You can get special usb adapters for it But i use the analog output the most and record the audio in my daw.
Even more interesting in that the S8 has a “condition” feature which might make it sound more similar, or different. I don’t know if the Ju-06a has a “tone knob” either, but that really affects the sound on the S8.
The Ju-06 was supposedly a limited edition...and now this version A comes on the market 18 months later. I am convinced of the sound quality of these little synthesizers, but nothing says that Roland will not release a Juno 06B in 6 months. A roadmap would be welcome if we could make an informed purchase.
Sorry, but how many roadmaps did you see in the music industry? It`s work with lenses when a new Canon, Nikon, Fuji etc body comes on the market, but such a roadmap would kill products in this case ;)
@@esersound1 Many manufacturers do that. Some don't. Selling a "limited edition" product and selling almost the same product few months later it's clearly a sign of disrespect for customer
@@thekikgen8581 So If I understand this well, Roland should: Inform you about the JU-06 and the same day inform you that If you don`t like JU-06 they will do the JU-06A 18 months later? Or: Yamaha MODX is a sign of disrespect because it`s basically Montage for half of the price? Or: Did Korg inform anyone the day the Minilogue came out that they`ll do the Minilogue XD? Just to be clear: the JU-06A is a Juno-60 emulation (even the look of it) but as a bonus you have a Juno-106 inside. The JU-06 (with the look of the 106) still remains a limited Boutique for "collectors" :)
@@esersound1 Neither the MODX nor the Minilogue were sold as "limited edition" (meaning "Buy this now because you'll never get the chance again..."). That is the point. This is also about valuation : what value for a JU-06 now, a limited edition that is no longer really limited if compared to JU-06a? Stop here. Don't want to troll your page !!
Ok, but the JU-06A is not JU-06. You buy the emulation of Juno-60 (its picture is even on the box). The 106 os just a nice bonus inside which is good for those who don't have the limited JU-06. I don't see any disrespect here.
Save up for Juno 6 or 60. Not a bad emulation but the JU-06A sounds very different and is missing the harmonic details of the 60, that's the deal breaker for me. Only 4 voices ?! Pass
I agree. The JU-06A sounds like a "digital photocopy" of the Juno. It's almost as if they crossed a Juno with a Casio and got the JU-06A. :) I really wish they had given it 6 voices, even if it meant a higher price tag or a 48kHz instead of 96kHz sampling frequency (as someone had pointed out).
Never once listened to a song and thought if it only had more low mids more harmonic content or more weight.🙄 A $4000+ Juno is collectorville. You can create on anything. Sadly you can't buy talent.😕
Nah. They both are great. The only winner is us who can now get two classic synths in a small package, with effects, that stay in tune for a mere $400. I'll take the new synth any day.
To me 06a sounds not even close, in the first sound lacks so many harmonics! In the second the 06a sounds thinner and adds unpleasent attack and, above all, a tiny but gritty, unwanted saturation. So, i'd use the vst and pay half the money of the hardware instead. The real sounds bigger, round and... Better! People thinks you can fix this with eq or you can not notice this in the mix. Is not a matter of eq, when is thinner eq won't help. Eq adds artifacts to the sound , if is not good eq adds saturation, harshness, if digital even worst. Maybe a good comp could hel but i mean a tube real one. Digital takes harmonics away... If you want to make pro music you defenitely need pro instruments. I hear the difference, also in the mix. The test is very good though. Sorry for my english. Bye
The 60 just punches you in the gut. The JU-06A is thinner and fizzles out. Juno 60 is fat at hell. I bet the JU-06A would sound great in a mix though. Just not as inspiring as the real thing. Nice review!
Disagree. I think the boutique has more low end and sounds fantastic. Also don't have to worry about it going out of tune, can switch to the 106 if I want, and can store it in my backpack.
Rich Newman I’m glad you’re enjoying the JU-06a. I agree with you that it sounds fantastic and it’s convenient and portable. I just got one and really like it. But there’s something about the tone of a real analog Juno 60 when you play it in a room with good speakers. I sold mine a year ago and really miss it. This boutique has the right sound and flavor but is lacking in the 3 dimensional tone and articulation of the real thing. It’s a good synth but it ain’t the real deal.
@@esersound1 Warmth. character. cleaner filters. If you cant hear the difference. You are not listening. Juno 60 is one of the best synths ever made. Mine is trusted old friend who makes me smile everyday.
@@esersound1 Having said that the ju06 is bad ass. If i didnt own a 60 i would absolutely purchase the remake, I love the DM 12 too. I think those two married up would be an excellent combination.
Of course I hear the difference. It’s even in the video „there are differences” and I wrote what can make them (old faders, audio outputs etc.). I’m just saying they’re not that big to justify 3000$ vs 400$ and that Roland did a great job here.
When Juno 60 came out in 1982 I was 16 years old and I couldn't afford it. The same happens today with those crazy prices. Thus I bought 2 JU-06A with half the price of a vintage Juno 60 but in turn I got also a Juno 106. This is a great bang for the buck
juno 106 gonna give you so many more problems than a 6 or 60, say goodbye to at least every voice chip in that guy, when you get replacements, grab the ones on syntaur. theyre reverse engineered and lack the conductive coating
Hi everyone!
As you can hear the new Boutique is really close to the original. During the recording I realised how much nonsense you can find on the web explaining that only the original is the real thing. And now? Honestly I don`t feel the need to have the original (which is now around 3k$). I can buy two JU-06A synths, double the polyphony and save lots of desk space. Not to mention that I can take the JU-06A almost everywhere and have the Juno-106 and 60 along with me ;) So please don`t waste your time for searching arguments, get some synths and start making music :)
Cheers!
Yeah, correct, i like some analog and some digital synthies and i don't care if i use analog or digital, every synth is a tool in my eyes to make MUSIC, nothing more...
also - if you consider the fact majority of the music we listen in those days is always mp3 / something else / stream where we loosing a lot of initial quality and details - what's the point of spending 3k on something that will be heard by maybe 1% of listeners?
It won`t be heard even by 1%. Those tracks will go to mix where they probably get some EQ/compression or FX treatment so they will lose even more than the nuances and will get another character. Not to mention that everything analog you record to a computer DAW becomes digital. Roland did a great job here, not every emulation is fantastic but this comparison encouraged me to do more Boutique VS Original tests :)
Also If you have the right tools used good enough then music converted to mp3 can still sound awesome compared to shitty made mixes in mp3. So it's a good thing to have good sounding gear but there's no "with only this and that you will able to do it".
You right for sure Hunart..I heard the difference, BUT they are not so big to justify 3k€ to me too..I'm talking about difference in frequency response, the old Juno have more mids..BUT, today, we cand fix this in many way, we all have so many tool that we can use to give to our sounds a great makeup ;)
Cheers!!
My JU06a arrives next week. On that day the clouds will part, the sun will shine, Hallelujah Chorus will ring from the heavens and life will be good once again!
Great work in matching levels - although the Juno-60 has a little more warmth and presence, the JU-06a is quite close, and would be even closer with a little bit of eq applied.
+1
Exactly. Would love a real analog reissue but this will do nicely for now.
Waiting for your patches for the JU06A
@@savanaviolenta Soon :)
Why oh why Roland? WHY?! ffs why can the external clock in on the JU-06a work with the step sequencer but NOT the ARPEGIATOR? Why? are you nuts? The SH-01a ext clock works with arp & sequencer. The Original Juno 6, Juno 60, Jupiter 4, 6 & 8, the SH-101, all of these had arpegiators that clock synced via the external clock in via a drum machine trigger. Why build in a arpeggiator section that is hugely prominent on the front panel and the marketing, then build an external clk input, and not use in for the arp. Utter insanity. I want an answer. Anyone got an answer for me?
One coming soon for me just a few weeks more. Sound's good enough too my ears and to have both the 60 & 106 in the same package is incredible. 👌
I do not like only 4 voices. I would love a 61 key version, maybe add random mode to arpeggiator but leave everything else the same as it looks awesome. The sound is really good. You have the best video out there on this.... great job!
I take it 4 voices just means 4 notes only at a time?
@@bingobaz6402 yes!
@@synthartist69 thanks I thought that's what it meant. I don't see any issue with that as mostly be using this for bass lines and arpeggios. 7th chords for me anyway are unlikely to be used on this machine with these types of sounds. Imo thses types of sounds are for basslines and arpeggios so unlikely to use those kinds of chords with this. You can't anyway 😂
@@synthartist69 p.s BTW surely 4 voice only is not the correct termology? I mean to say 4 voices means 4 separate sounds. Notes and voices are different things. Am I nit picking? 😂 Just explaining why I need clarification as 4 voices only doesn't really mean 4 notes to me. Like I know 1 note only is monophonic, maybe they just haven't created a proper term for 4 note only. Polyphonic means several notes. 4 note? No name for maybe? But it is what it is. Stuck with only 4 notes at a time. 😂
@@synthartist69 sorry another comment but I know what it is.. (Google) the term for this is that it is 4 note polysynth. Apologies for correcting you but I was unsure what you meant by 4 voices only. ;)
4 voice for the reboot is completely impractical.
Nice comparison. I have an Ju 06a and I love it.
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They sound pretty much same, ACB technology by Roland is pretty awesome. And any possible difference wont be heard in mix anyways..
But... Roland with their stupidity and arrogancy and not listening to their customers made it again 4 voices only and well. Its not possible to use it as real Juno (meaning the stuff we all love on Juno - pads and chords). Voice stealing that will start to occur is simply show stopper.
It's limitation of the DSP.
You can get 2 juno boutiques and chain them together for 8 voices in total, It's in the manual. And also, from what I understood is that in order to make the juno boutique have 6 or 8 voices in the for the same price ($399) Roland will need to drop the sample rate to 48 kHz instead of 96 kHz. Either that or pay almost double the price and have an additional chip to make it 8 voices. So the ideal option is to chain 2 together for a total price of $798
@@t.kahraba763 Never saw anyone practically using chained Roland boutiques for production / performing (I dont really count youtube demos). They often go out of sync (latency) and stability is questionable (long time JP-08 user here). For 800$ there is Deepmind 12 or if you add more, you get Korg Prologue 8. Or in my case, I just rather found and am using original Juno.
This not be technical, but very musical. I think It's more meaningful than comparing waveform one by one-that's too specific.. So great work. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
It's close. I have a feeling if I got the JU-06A, I'd end up being irritated with the subtle areas where it falls short and doing what I ended up doing with the Behringer Model D. (I ended up buying a Minimoog reissue and being very happy I did...)
Thank you for this excellent comparison - it was the most helpful on TH-cam.
Great video. I like that you put the comparison in the context of a song. They sound super close to me, definitely close enough that I'd prefer the JU-06A, but I hear a bit more of an attack on the 60. Maybe a bit more velocity sensitivty too, but that could just be a difference in the fader calibration.
The only thing stopping me from getting the JU-06A is that I already have a Rev2. Is there stuff the Juno(s) can do that the Rev2 can't?
Great. Love your intro/outro music BTW. Those sounds are so classic, you can't go wrong with 'em 😉
Wonderful video, as always !
Juno 60 has a tighter image overall and doesn't seem to need to be as bright to still cut through.
Have you omitted the chorus comparison for some reason? Honest question.
Other than that, I'm still confirming what I already heard before: the lower registers on the JU60 are deeper, while the highs are smoother (specially noticeable on the part you gradually open the filter). To me the boutique feels bandwidth constrained and it shows a certain shrillness on the top end. And TH-cam compression is already cutting the frequency range so real-life should be even more apparent, in my experience. The difference is not big though, but it is hearable. Can It be corrected in post? Definitely, proper EQ can overcome this. There's no way around the 4-note limit though, and Roland's poly chain on the boutiques is plain weird regarding note assignment, so that application is limited as well. Don't get me wrong, it's GREAT for the price but I don't agree it's almost the same as the original in practice.
I didn't have time for the chorus, especially that you can add to it two types of noise in the JU-06A. Next month I'll have my own so I will do anorher comparison. The thing is (and it can generate lots of differences) that it's really hard to set both synths equally. The faders of the original are old and in these examples I've had to set some of them differently. Even half mm can generate a bit different low end (especially with the filter). Probably it's possible to set things 100% but then we're going in to micromilimeters.
I'm not saying it's the same sound. It's really close and I'm just not the guy who is interested in +/- 0,2-0,5db differences between two synths. Polyphony is another topic, personally I don't care about it. If I want to make chords with a mono synth it's not a big problem.
It's a shame that we give bravos to Behringer which is still just close to the originals but hey - it's analog! What If the JU-06A would be analog but with the same sound you hear now? Probably lots of us would change their mind.
Anyway, thanks much for the input. Nice to have a bigger conversaton here :)
@@esersound1 Behringer is the elephant in the room tbh, with their own set of pros and cons. On the pros side, they're doing products with an excellent build quility and form factor with spacey interfaces and excellent mechanical feel, even regardless of price. They hit the ball out of the park with the Model D, honestly. I've compared it side by side with a 1972 Model D and while there are knob range differences, they can be made to sound essentially the same under critical listening. The rest of the lineup I'm not so confident about, the MS-101 also sounded less smooth than the original 101 and behaved more aggressive on the extremes (where I usually like the 101 to be). So there's a big fat "depends" on Behringer's efforts for me. I think there's a lot to say about the originals still, even if old and cumbersome big. I'm also biased cause I refurb and service my own synths. But the clone market is also favoring the price moderation on some classic models like the Ody, MS20 and original Minimoog, so that's a positive thing.
"and while there are knob range differences, they can be made to sound essentially the same under critical listening"
See, that's what I wrote before :) These are hours of work and listening to make it right and I just wrote that you can probably do the same with the JU and Juno. :)
I don't want to talk about build quality, have some dofferent experience but there's nothing to complain about in this price range. I'm talking about people thinking that If a Behringer clone fails to recreate somerhing in 100% than it's ok because it's cheap and analog but If Roland fales to do that than it's shit and just VA. That's the problem. I make music with everything I can use and don't call bad any products which I don't like. I think that Roland did a great job and in return I get arguments that the difference is big (which I don't hear that big on 2,5k$ studio monitors). The question is what does "big", "small", etc mean for us?
@@esersound1 Right, it's all relative. As a product though, I think Behringer offers more for the money than current Roland, regardless of analogue or digital. It's reasonable to feel you're getting more for your money in full analogue circuitry than paying for a box with a DSP. You might also feel that difference when pushing an instrument more towards the extremes, analogue just behaves more gracefully. But then you might not be interested in the extremes and digital is fine. On top of that I really didn't like the flimsy feel of the JU-06 boutique when I had it around, really shameful for the 400€ they asked for it. There are several factors that make a product at the end of the day and each of us is sensible to different pros and cons. For me the 4 voices is a dealbreaker and departure from the original instrument.
As a sidenote, you probably watched Loopop's comparative called "Can you tell the difference?" which is less music contextual and more analytical. Listened in isolation there are a few critical points where the JU-06A sounds absolutely different, I'm sure everyone can tell. But then a musical context might be the only thing that matters to others.
Yes I saw it. For me the music context is more important. Anyway, I don’t want to argue about “surgery” and Behringer or Roland quality, I know all of the backgrounds from first hands but the discussion is not about that. I’ve played, touched and tried hundreds of instruments and there were only one or two which didn’t hit the bar. There are no bad instruments, just people with or without imagination.
For you the 4 voice polyphony is a dealbreaker, ok. For me a limitation which helps my creativity. You will probably gonwith the original and I will pick up the boutique. We will then have one thing in common - no one will know what synth you are and I am playing in our music. Until you tell them ;) That’s why close enough is enough and we shouldn’t give a damn to 2-5% of differences.
Awesome intro track! Can you share the settings for the patches you used?
The several tones interact very differently.
There's more life, fullness or saturation in the vintage Juno for sure, but more than that, the analog has a strange warmth to it that I never heard elsewhere. And how the keys landed on that baby was otherworldly, I should have never sold it.
Bucket list: play a Jupiter 8 in DUAL mode, than I can die in a mushroom cloud for all I care.
The difference is in the harmonics, the Juno 60 has more weight to its tone more warmth and you can clearly hear the harmonics.But non the less I'm getting one, cause it has Juno 106 inside too, does the Jubo has 106 engine? No. Yeah, ok less polyphony, but 8 can live with that. Layering solves the problem in a studio.
Thanks, really great video. But I had expected them to sound a lot closer. Really the JU-06A sounds so clinical next to the Juno, which seems to have a richer and slightly less predictable quality to its sound. I think the differences between the two in the first couple of patches are like night and day.
I don't know about you but I am not hearing any difference at all, if there is it is very very slight. Got mines coming Thursday. Missed them so had to change delivery day. Had a juno 6 in early 80's I regret getting rid of it and now would cost me a fortune to replace. So this seems like it will satisfy me missing my juno 6 also possibly better as it is a 106 which I think is more diverse that the juno 6. The juno 6 I had, could create some of the best analogue bass sounds I ever heard.
good comparison - thanks for sharing.
I have the ju06a 2 weeks now. Great synth, I have a bit of my juno 6 back that I sold years ago. and the juno 106 as bonus super !! First day in my setup I thought there was something wrong with the ju06a weird hum from the output it didn't come through the usb because I have several boutiques. And what was the problem? Stupid mistake by myself. midi out of my interface to midi out of the ju06. That was the noise problem🤭. Keep making music✌️
Hey Ben Mast!!! Does the JU 06 a give noise whenever you record the audio through usb ? I have Planning to buy it for a while.
@@rachitpassi9091 Hey Rachit Passi, On my pc it does have a hum. On my laptop no problems.
You can get special usb adapters for it
But i use the analog output the most and record the audio in my daw.
Good sounds💗
It's very close..the sub oscillator though just isnt quite as good on the ju 06a imo.
The System-8 now has that Juno-60 Plug-Out. Hopefully someone can do a comparison between those two. 🧐
Even more interesting in that the S8 has a “condition” feature which might make it sound more similar, or different. I don’t know if the Ju-06a has a “tone knob” either, but that really affects the sound on the S8.
Great demo! Are they original side panels on the Jun60, or replacements? If they're replacements, how did you change them, looks tricky.
Thanks!
I`ve never changed anything so they should be original ;)
Honestly its "similar" but theres a pretty big difference.. You can hear it even more when playing chords
There`s no question about how big the difference is (and it will differ for everyone) - the question is: is the difference worth 2600$? ;)
The Ju-06 was supposedly a limited edition...and now this version A comes on the market 18 months later. I am convinced of the sound quality of these little synthesizers, but nothing says that Roland will not release a Juno 06B in 6 months. A roadmap would be welcome if we could make an informed purchase.
Sorry, but how many roadmaps did you see in the music industry? It`s work with lenses when a new Canon, Nikon, Fuji etc body comes on the market, but such a roadmap would kill products in this case ;)
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Many manufacturers do that. Some don't. Selling a "limited edition" product and selling almost the same product few months later it's clearly a sign of disrespect for customer
@@thekikgen8581 So If I understand this well, Roland should:
Inform you about the JU-06 and the same day inform you that If you don`t like JU-06 they will do the JU-06A 18 months later?
Or: Yamaha MODX is a sign of disrespect because it`s basically Montage for half of the price?
Or: Did Korg inform anyone the day the Minilogue came out that they`ll do the Minilogue XD?
Just to be clear: the JU-06A is a Juno-60 emulation (even the look of it) but as a bonus you have a Juno-106 inside. The JU-06 (with the look of the 106) still remains a limited Boutique for "collectors" :)
@@esersound1 Neither the MODX nor the Minilogue were sold as "limited edition" (meaning "Buy this now because you'll never get the chance again..."). That is the point.
This is also about valuation : what value for a JU-06 now, a limited edition that is no longer really limited if compared to JU-06a? Stop here. Don't want to troll your page !!
Ok, but the JU-06A is not JU-06. You buy the emulation of Juno-60 (its picture is even on the box). The 106 os just a nice bonus inside which is good for those who don't have the limited JU-06. I don't see any disrespect here.
On my phone, differences in sound are not clear!
Listen to it on speakers and you will hear the difference
@@savanaviolenta close your eyes and you won't feel the difference
Doesn’t sound like anything that running through a chandler tube driver and a neve tape emulator wouldn’t fix, plus it’s dependable
The transients sound somewhat more defined on the Juno-60.
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Good! Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Sounds exactly the same to me.
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Save up for Juno 6 or 60. Not a bad emulation but the JU-06A sounds very different and is missing the harmonic details of the 60, that's the deal breaker for me. Only 4 voices ?! Pass
Juno is more alive and breathing.
Ju06a is more static and clean.
I sold mine, because I wanted the real thing.
I agree. The JU-06A sounds like a "digital photocopy" of the Juno. It's almost as if they crossed a Juno with a Casio and got the JU-06A. :) I really wish they had given it 6 voices, even if it meant a higher price tag or a 48kHz instead of 96kHz sampling frequency (as someone had pointed out).
Never once listened to a song and thought if it only had more low mids more harmonic content or more weight.🙄
A $4000+ Juno is collectorville. You can create on anything. Sadly you can't buy talent.😕
Great comparison. Juno 60 win.. easy
Nah. They both are great. The only winner is us who can now get two classic synths in a small package, with effects, that stay in tune for a mere $400. I'll take the new synth any day.
Juno 60 is uncompromising
When it is in tune, maybe...
To me 06a sounds not even close, in the first sound lacks so many harmonics! In the second the 06a sounds thinner and adds unpleasent attack and, above all, a tiny but gritty, unwanted saturation. So, i'd use the vst and pay half the money of the hardware instead. The real sounds bigger, round and... Better! People thinks you can fix this with eq or you can not notice this in the mix. Is not a matter of eq, when is thinner eq won't help. Eq adds artifacts to the sound , if is not good eq adds saturation, harshness, if digital even worst. Maybe a good comp could hel but i mean a tube real one. Digital takes harmonics away... If you want to make pro music you defenitely need pro instruments. I hear the difference, also in the mix. The test is very good though. Sorry for my english. Bye
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The 60 just punches you in the gut. The JU-06A is thinner and fizzles out. Juno 60 is fat at hell. I bet the JU-06A would sound great in a mix though. Just not as inspiring as the real thing. Nice review!
Disagree. I think the boutique has more low end and sounds fantastic. Also don't have to worry about it going out of tune, can switch to the 106 if I want, and can store it in my backpack.
Rich Newman I’m glad you’re enjoying the JU-06a. I agree with you that it sounds fantastic and it’s convenient and portable. I just got one and really like it. But there’s something about the tone of a real analog Juno 60 when you play it in a room with good speakers. I sold mine a year ago and really miss it. This boutique has the right sound and flavor but is lacking in the 3 dimensional tone and articulation of the real thing. It’s a good synth but it ain’t the real deal.
No difference at all when it comes to sound
Near as makes no difference
: ) Really don't hear how big the different is ? The new product far lass body, less power. Sounds really bad
So tell me the differences ;)
@@esersound1 Warmth. character. cleaner filters. If you cant hear the difference. You are not listening.
Juno 60 is one of the best synths ever made. Mine is trusted old friend who makes me smile everyday.
@@esersound1 Having said that the ju06 is bad ass.
If i didnt own a 60 i would absolutely purchase the remake, I love the DM 12 too. I think those two married up would be an excellent combination.
Of course I hear the difference. It’s even in the video „there are differences” and I wrote what can make them (old faders, audio outputs etc.). I’m just saying they’re not that big to justify 3000$ vs 400$ and that Roland did a great job here.
@@esersound1 Oh without a doubt it is certainly worth the 400 or so.