The greatest part of this class, is learning I am an ExxJ and figuring out how to stop freaking out about the people. Just being like, "okay cool...they don't like me...I don't like some people. No big deal. Or okay they were rude to me, not a big deal. They don't have to affect me." Instead of, "OMG! My identity was attacked. They were mean to me. I must have done something so awful!"
I feel the same as an INFP! I feel attacked when people don't like or understand me, and I fear rejection so much! But it's just a mental illusion, in a way 😂
My dad would drive over a pot-hole and curse out the pot-hole for being there. I would always find that so strange that he is literally talking to and cursing out a hole in the ground. Probably an observer. Meanwhile, I'm definitely a decider and in my head going: YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT POTHOLE? ARE YOU BLIND? Or if I'm the one driving over the pothole, I'm cursing out the city government for incorrectly spending our tax dollars and not fixing our crummy infrastructure...
I know what you mean, lol. I was just thinking of how weird it is that my dad cusses out the stuff that he drops, as if objects are defiantly trying to get away from him. 😆
This is helpful for anyone with social anxiety, specifically IxxPs like myself, focus more on the info not the person. Of course you need a bit of both, but the preoccupation with people is messing you up. So focus more on the easy and boring stuff, which imo is the info lol, and you'll have a smoother time communicating.
@@nathank3278 And that continues with "m novels catalase National Center Where trapa merchand Soha White" I mean at least if this 'Trapa' is selling a lady called Soha, you can at least put the s at the end of merchand; make it a 3rd person verb shiie
Man this is so true. I'm an INFP and in school, when I freak out, it's over people (how I stack up against others and the curve, if others seem smarter or more put together than me, etc.) as opposed to information (which I treat as: eh, it's impossible to know/remember everything, so just do your best). Meanwhile, I have an ISTJ roommate... It's such a difference. Like, she will "gossip" about this person and that person, but honestly it's all light-hearted and funny to her. Ya, that person is an idiot. That person is so smart, blah blah blah. But it's not loaded; it's just funny conversation to her. When I hear her talk about this stuff though, I freak the eff out like oh my goodness, what if people were saying this about me! That's why I never gossip and I actually won't talk about people, b/c I'm so conscious/afraid of whether people were to talk about me in that way. Haha, but the stuff my ISTJ roommmate really gets upset about is when the administration schedules the curriculum wrong, so that we don't have enough time to go through all of the information, when professors leave out information in their lectures that end up getting tested on the exam, etc. That stuff she really hates, but doesn't bother me as much. Maybe it should, b/c objectively it affects our long-term performance. But I guess, b/c my focus is on people, I figure that since nobody is getting the information, everyone will do poorly on that topic, and so it won't affect my "standing" in the curve. I have to say. I think the "observer" freakout seems like the better way to go, haha. At least when it comes to schooling.
Interesting.....I am an older INFP. I still freak out (just now with greater awareness) over people vs. things. My tidal waves are usually centered around the stupid things that people do that I disapprove of and/or are bothered by. The stuff (the things) I get mad at depends on my mood. But the "OMG, this is UNACCEPTABLE"......it's all about people. People do dumb shit. I am also a manager and I have employees that FREAK the F out over OMG this THING doesn't work, I'm like, "fix it and move on" and they are imploding because X doesn't work and/or is broken. What is up with SJs and gossip? I'm so self above tribe that I don't get it. I was like you in college - if the "stuff" was wrong, incomplete or missing, not accurate, I would magically skip over that stuff and be unbothered but for the observers, they couldn't move on until it was rectified. They were the ones that would dog the professors to "fix" it .....like yesterday. Me? I would just go do other things knowing that the observers would get it handled. LOL.
oh i just remembered that time when my dad freaked out because the tv wasn't working (for like half an hour i swear) and i didn't understand why he was so angry about it like what the fuck?At the end i just fixed it no big deal
As the person who regularly fucked up the curve for everyone in the class by scoring 100+% on tests when the next highest score was in the 80s, I apologize on behalf of all autodidacts who somehow have that "missing information" and always do well on tests, thus ruining your chances of having your grade bumped up because of the curve. And as an INTP, and thus single decider with De tidal waves, I still relate so hard to your perspective. I felt so bad every time professors would hand back our tests. I could feel the eyes of everyone in the class glaring at me with hatred. I knew they were thinking "if it weren't for her, my B would have been an A" or "if it weren't for her, my C would have been a B" (or worse)... Sometimes the teacher would embarrass me by announcing who got the highest score or writing my name on the board. My god, if looks could kill. I can still feel all those eyes on me, even on the back of my head. That kind of glare pierces. It still bothers me to this day, all these years later. Some people would take advantage of sitting near me and ask to see my test so they could compare their answers to mine to see where they went wrong. I tried to help anyone who asked and never thought myself superior or developed a complex, but I could tell that even as nice as I was, people still resented me. This is the nightmare for inferior De. Living in a world in which you fear the tribe will never accept you for who you really are, or where their social hierarchical games actually threaten your ability to keep being your own unique individual.
I feel Kevin, how come everybody seem to intuitively understand how things work, where things are and where to find the answers to the questions no one asks?
hmm. for me, i feel like i already know this stuff, but i would LOVE to know more. so his line of thinking was so satisfying to me, even though i don't think it's my default.
(Assuming I'm a decider) My favourite stories to listen to are stories about people being told by Observers. It is sooo entertaining and they make it seem so easy!
@@someonerandom713 I'm just learning about this OP Observer vs Decider stuff now. Could you elaborate on your point? I'm confident I'm an observer (intj) and when there's a funny story to tell my friend circle will usually let me explain because my way of storytelling usually elicits the most laughs. I'm curious as to how others view me from the outside looking in.
@@ssg2991 Ooof, sure ^^ If you're an observer, people matters are as hard for deciders as things are for you. For me, people are totally black and white, whereas for observers, they're shades of grey. You're able to make effortless fun of others without dragging them through the mud too much, while also not taking yourselves serious. It's super admirable! If I say anything about anyone, it always feels like a final statement that I'm then stuck with. Your double deciding is easy to see and be entertained by from the outside, but very hard to mimic.
The fact that I literally have recurring dreams about discovering new/hidden rooms in my home 😂 I was emotionally invested in Kevin's opening statements.
I have am INTP friend and when I was trying to type him I was trying to listen to what he was freaking about about and when you really listen, its a very big difference.
I love this!!!! I’m such a freaking decider. Can’t wait to find out! I think I’m an ENTJ, or an ENFJ. Shan.... your stuff of calming your TE, how to not compare yourself to others, or at least learn some self love. You are my older sister mentor type and Dave hits some good things and nerves in My husband. It’s pretty funny. He’s either an INFP or maybe just maybe some sort of a weird INTJ, but I don’t think so. INFP makes more sense I think.
I went on a 2 day mission telling everyone I knew how the logo for "Dollar Tree" is a number 1 made to look like a tree when I discovered that a few days ago. I honestly think its genius design XD
A thing I've noticed throughout my life is that i always love to try and talk to someone who I've left off on a bad note, I'll usually try to apologize at first and then try to poke at it whatever it was that happened. I think i do that to try and grab some missing information. And i know in the back of my head everyone would probably tell me to just let it go but sometimes i just can't 😆 that kind of shit made me think that i was a decider for the longest time
Initially I remember when I first heard you guys say the person who’s a decider would say they freak about things, then the observers would say people and I realized at the time I would’ve said people- -confirming for you , I definitely would’ve said the people until you said that and I had to take a step back likewhaaAAaaaaaATt and then realized oh shit they’re right...
So relevant, as an INFJ lately have been feeling conscious that I talk to people to get pure information and sometimes forgetting the soft intro, which makes it overbearing for the other person. A bit freaked out by excess info (Se) so another guilty thing is collecting that info but not really acting upon it (apparently just “knowing” is enough) and leaving the person thinking “then why tf did you want to know my whole career path/ life/ little secrets”
So you would say that ni is satisfied with just knowing and understanding the information, how it fits conceptually with what else you know, with any actual action based in se?
Haha, I can so much relate to the observer thing. Once I was talking with my friend who is an INTP and totally oblivious to what's going on around him (he just doesn't give a shit), so we would sit outside in some park and talk and he would pick of chain dirk from his bicycle chain. I would sort of unconsciously observe it and then forget it. I then shifted position because I was getting sunburned and put my jacket on top of the spot where he had flung all of the chain dirt. My jacket hasn't been clean since....🙄🙄
That was interesting. I still cant't clearly see the difference between single Observers and single Deciders. I type myself as TiNeSiFe, still can't pin down whether it's Ti/Ne or Ti/Si and I haven't yet looked into the gender MM/FF distinctions, really... just surface stuff. The thing is, until I get enough information into my logical framework, it just goes over my head. Now that I've watched more of you guys' videos, the understanding gets better and better, incrementally. I do freak out about people, mostly, but idk. I think this is a good point to end this comment. Best regards, have a nice day.
Imagine poeple run on their 3 top functions since the inferior function is weak. That divides poeple into 2 groups. The first running on their top decider function and 2 observing functions, wich are called single deciders or double observers depending on the context. And vice versa for the second group. You my friend would belong to the first group.
@@ladybluebell1598 I know IxxP/ExxJ are "Deciders" and IxxJ/ExxP are "Observers" but... but why is it so difficult for me to pinpoint which tendency/perspective is more prevalent somebody's behavior or even mine? Do I just watch for energy fluctuation? I have to look deeper into this, there's jut so much to cover and so little time... and energy.
Lol. Now I'm looking at Kevin Hart from the perspective in mind that he's an Exxp, I kind of now feel some of his jokes aren't just concocted or pre-planned stuff, they may be, but now I think he just tries to share his freak-outs or fears about information/things sometimes, and me as a decider just find this silly/hilarious or maybe it just comes off like that to me, now I'm looking at it, it isn't a joke to him, but because in the process of trying to explain the process of figuring out stuff, he makes fun of himself and others
So I noticed two different attitudes at work but I can't understood which is double observer which is double decider. First is "passing information is sooo important, we need to make a conscious effort to do that, organise ourself and remember to pass information, be sure that when workers are changing they need to" pass the info" to the new workers. Let's do daily meetings about what everybody's doing to be updated all the time ". Second attitude is neglecting passing info: don't care, don't need to worry about it (hope it will happen naturally, no need to organise some meetings to force that). Never see it as a cause of problems or mistakes. I can't decide which attitude is double observer which is single observer?
I realize I'm a late response, but these things you describe are not about observer/decider but about the animals. Specifically Blast. The first thing you describe sounds like very high Blast (I have a system and the whole tribe needs to be controlled by my system) and the second sounds like very low Blast (I consumed the information I need, but I'm not responsible for the tribe, they can go figure it out for themselves). A double decider blaster would be pretty balanced about the tribe control part, but their system of information will be insane. Especially if they are Oe, since Blast makes use of Oi. If they are Oi, their system may be brilliant, but the actual information would be a mess. A double observer blaster would have a decent system, but they would be insane in the tribe control part. Especially if they are Di, since Blast makes use of De. If they're De, their communication may be fantastic, but they're going to have mental breakdowns out of nowhere.
Goddammit I’m so embarrassed when you described the magic show.. it’s not wrong... and I know so many people who would hear it and laugh at me about that 🤣 😭 e.e Effff yeeeeewwww
I think that makes you even more of an INFJ. ENFJs are so focused on people that they aren’t even aware that there’s a theory building or just chalk Ni up to common sense.
@@LemonMeIon well said. My last girlfriend, being an Enfj and myself being an Infj, had a lot of that going on. She always thought I was oblivious to what was going on with people's emotions in the room, yet I was hyper aware. I always thought she was oblivious to the narrative or true framework in social situations (seemed like she was in her own fairy land) yet later discover she was quite aware. It was like our top two functions, being flipped would come so instinctively to us, that we would both not understand the other person was aware. I'm trying to make sense of it. The lead Fe I find can make a huge mess of one's own individualism. Being second function Fe, I wish I could just turn it off, because I feel way too deeply for people, yet so badly want to seperate myself from others. Lead Fe tends to care so deeply for connections with others, can't seem to get enough, yet feels choked when away from those they care about. It's as if the objective in EnFjs is the communion with others, while infjs objective is the direction the relationships are heading. Depth vs Breadth. Fe/Ni seems to want a wide horizon, while Ni/Fe wants a deep cavern.
drives in to a car park finds a spot away from other cars , comes back and there are 4 cars parked around my car, so looks around and there are car spots closer to shops with 20 free spots like free spaces everywhere, proceeds to talk to myself so out loud about how dumb humans are and then trys to figure out why they need to park near me? are they lonely are they just flat out stupid i am thinking its the 2nd one, just flat out stupid its like they are programmed to park next to another car despite all the free spaces, and my thoughts about how smart humans are gets reaffirmed again, for gods sake look and think please! what type am i?
Hey, so i always thought I'm like an ep, but I still freak out about people, like all the time. But when I talk Im talking about things only, I could care less about people. So what am I? Decider or observer?? I know you guys have paid shits going on. But pls do give some guidance, no?
Don't know. Not control per se. I go into an over thinking mode of wondering whether they like me or not, for most actions I make. So that would make like an ip or ej right? But then when I talk I prefer to ignore the people aspect of the 'story'. I think. And I know I constantly ignore my sensory
@@aravindkrishnan7498 well, I am an I--P, and I freak out a lot about people.. Even though I like to talk about people, I also have my Ne very developped, so I can go for hours talking about ideas and concepts, but that isn`t what I freak.out about.. Also, I am always consuming new ideas.. So I am an I--P because I freak out about people. The freak out is what decides
@@aravindkrishnan7498 Don't think about it, it will drive you insane to try and type yourself. Type others, see the patterns starting to arise and with time, you'll be able to see yourself. Just don't stress about it, it's not what type you are that matters
@@aravindkrishnan7498 It depends on why you prefer to ignore the people aspect of the story. I'm an IP and my reason for ignoring "people" in stories, and why I try not talk about other people/gossip, is b/c I'm so self-conscious and afraid of other people talking about me/gossiping about me in that way. B/c it's a big deal to me if people talk about me, out of courtesy, I don't talk about others. But I think that if I wasn't so self-conscious and concerned about the opinions of others, I would just talk about it lightly with others (about myself, about others, about blah blah blah), and it would be light-hearted. It wouldn't be loaded. It would be whatever.
I don't have any guys who can do anything for me. Sorry Joe the Plumber you weren't that great, you didn't call my pipes not working. Its not my fault this house was built in 1958! Actually it is, I decided to commit to it.
This perception of first or second slot De can be hard to read though; For example, IxFJs can look like ExFJs on the surface because high Fe is so obvious. Both types are always going to be constantly talking about people especially if they are high in neuroticism.
Not true. True INFJs will not FREAK OUT over identity. These are freak-outs that we're talking about, i.e. the question of being comfortable. INFJs will freak out over the chemicals in their deodorant and whether or not that will give them breast cancer 30 years down the line. ENFJs freak out when Joe Shmoe isn't doing his job in upper management. Swap places and ENFJs will be yeah whatever I actually don't wear deodorant anyways. And the INFJ will be yeah whatever Joe has always been like that but not my business.
In that example it is the imbalance between Fe and Ti that OP would notice. IxFJs have Ti that is high enough to balance out the Fe somewhat. What is this person talking about more often (and with more intensity)? If it's people and not "I've lost my keys" then you know they can't be IxFJ.
@@basic-decaf I appreciate the example and I understand why people want to dictate everything as right or wrong because it makes it easier to guess types, but there are a lot of in-betweens and 2nd slot Fe can also be concerned with identity. Hell even 3rd slot masculine Fe will have tidal wave breakdowns about the tribe not getting along and rant about who are causing the issues.
@@LemonMeIon One-off breakdowns are fine and everyone can do everything sure. Sure. But there is a consistent pattern of freak-outs of this nature. That's the system. If you want to suggest the system is wrong, that's fine, but in this system that's how the definitions work. INTJs freak out every single day with the information they receive and the sensory working for them. Massive tidal waves of conflict between Ni and Se. Going above and beyond uncomfortably with Se to meet their Ni. The Te and Fi aren't even on their radar, and when they are, they're benign. Dave never mentions his morals, his beliefs, talks about the things he likes, and only sometimes takes people's quotes and thoughts into account. It's whatever to him. But he is, he IS completely absorbed in his own world and his own system and he freaks out about things, THINGS in the sensory-filled, real world never matching up with his vision. Consistently. Repeatedly.
Yes, more or less. Everyone has problems with both people and things, but it's where the real freakouts and panicking occur that is the big sign. An INTP (which I am) has very low Fe and so will probably freak out about tripping over some social rule or causing other people to have negative emotions accidentally. If, say, an INTP is with someone who is in a bad mood, the INTP will be far more likely than other types to take it personally and think that they were the cause and to freak out along the lines of "why are you mad at ME for?!?" The bad mood would be a problem to everyone else, but they would be able to see more clearly that the bad mood was most likely caused by something else, and so it would therefore not be a cause of too much distress. The other big sign is where the blame falls in ambiguous situations: an INTP will probably blame a computer problem on "some idiot programmer;" an ENTP would be more likely to blame the machine or equipment directly.
@@shiro1744 this helps extremely. I love these vids about observers and Deciders. But the problem is trying to see how they manifest within each personality. The thing I'm trying to figure out tho is an INTP always going to be a single decider double observer? I think my animal stack is CP/S(B). So I have Ti/Ne and Fe/Ne as my saviors. Wouldn't that then mean I would be freaking out over the Ne and Si balance struggle??? And reletively calm about Ti and Fe?
If that's the case, then yes, you would seem more like an ENTP than a regular old CS -INTP (like I am). But, if you were an INTP, you would still have more decider issues than observer issues--it would just be in a ratio of something like 60-40 rather than 80-20.
@@samwilcox10 From what I understand the animals have little to do with fears, in fact it's one of the last steps you should take in typing someone; first you chose between observer and decider, go over the other steps and then you fit an animal stack that makes sense. So the fact that you have blast last will make you more balanced on energy animals, but if you are a Di dom you still will be freaking out about people rather than things. I think Shan and Dave use these videos just to give a superficial understanding, while you can find detailed info in their course, that's why they seldom go into deep, thorough explanations
Thank you guys for the input. I'm sure it proves the INTPness even more so but man it's been a struggle for me to type myself correctly. It's like looking at yourself in a mirror that's been shattered.
I don't really understand the reasoning behind Joe Rogan focusing on "people" over "things". I thought he was an ESTP, or did I miss your typing of him? Is he a decider?(ESTJ?)
The Deciders: th-cam.com/video/jGc3mgD6Yms/w-d-xo.html An actual cbs series 😁 Oh & 1:06; So were you talking about "things" or information. Yeah I caught that 😉
I'm INTP, and I don't freak out about people. This is the one thing you talk about that doesn't resonate with me at all. @3:25 okay... Maybe. When I have a problem at work (about things) I'm usually talking about 'oh they did this and she did that'. My issue is about the thing but usually my language is about the people that made that thing the way it is. I'm a step removed from caring about the people themselves though.
"The Observer is trapped in a continual Magic Show."
Yup. Good Analogy. Will be using that in the future.
The greatest part of this class, is learning I am an ExxJ and figuring out how to stop freaking out about the people. Just being like, "okay cool...they don't like me...I don't like some people. No big deal. Or okay they were rude to me, not a big deal. They don't have to affect me." Instead of, "OMG! My identity was attacked. They were mean to me. I must have done something so awful!"
I feel the same as an INFP! I feel attacked when people don't like or understand me, and I fear rejection so much! But it's just a mental illusion, in a way 😂
My dad would drive over a pot-hole and curse out the pot-hole for being there. I would always find that so strange that he is literally talking to and cursing out a hole in the ground. Probably an observer.
Meanwhile, I'm definitely a decider and in my head going: YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT POTHOLE? ARE YOU BLIND? Or if I'm the one driving over the pothole, I'm cursing out the city government for incorrectly spending our tax dollars and not fixing our crummy infrastructure...
I know what you mean, lol. I was just thinking of how weird it is that my dad cusses out the stuff that he drops, as if objects are defiantly trying to get away from him. 😆
I think I’m a decider but I yell at the traffic for fun. Or like the shitty drivers that live around me.
This is helpful for anyone with social anxiety, specifically IxxPs like myself, focus more on the info not the person. Of course you need a bit of both, but the preoccupation with people is messing you up. So focus more on the easy and boring stuff, which imo is the info lol, and you'll have a smoother time communicating.
and vice versa probably - it's also easy to not talk to someone cos you're off chasing information elsewhere!
Yep, correct.
Did you leave the captions on just to piss off the observers?
it worked lmao
"You can ask question banana hundreds of the gunfight". Wtf should I do with that?
@@nathank3278 And that continues with "m novels catalase National Center Where trapa merchand Soha White" I mean at least if this 'Trapa' is selling a lady called Soha, you can at least put the s at the end of merchand; make it a 3rd person verb shiie
lol! as a OO, I am just like, oh why not turn off the captions? Or, it's in Vietnamese, maybe you just have to change the language setting...
@@XavierGuillaume I can't turn them off/change them if they are recorded D:
Man this is so true. I'm an INFP and in school, when I freak out, it's over people (how I stack up against others and the curve, if others seem smarter or more put together than me, etc.) as opposed to information (which I treat as: eh, it's impossible to know/remember everything, so just do your best).
Meanwhile, I have an ISTJ roommate... It's such a difference. Like, she will "gossip" about this person and that person, but honestly it's all light-hearted and funny to her. Ya, that person is an idiot. That person is so smart, blah blah blah. But it's not loaded; it's just funny conversation to her. When I hear her talk about this stuff though, I freak the eff out like oh my goodness, what if people were saying this about me! That's why I never gossip and I actually won't talk about people, b/c I'm so conscious/afraid of whether people were to talk about me in that way.
Haha, but the stuff my ISTJ roommmate really gets upset about is when the administration schedules the curriculum wrong, so that we don't have enough time to go through all of the information, when professors leave out information in their lectures that end up getting tested on the exam, etc. That stuff she really hates, but doesn't bother me as much. Maybe it should, b/c objectively it affects our long-term performance. But I guess, b/c my focus is on people, I figure that since nobody is getting the information, everyone will do poorly on that topic, and so it won't affect my "standing" in the curve.
I have to say. I think the "observer" freakout seems like the better way to go, haha. At least when it comes to schooling.
Interesting.....I am an older INFP. I still freak out (just now with greater awareness) over people vs. things. My tidal waves are usually centered around the stupid things that people do that I disapprove of and/or are bothered by. The stuff (the things) I get mad at depends on my mood. But the "OMG, this is UNACCEPTABLE"......it's all about people. People do dumb shit. I am also a manager and I have employees that FREAK the F out over OMG this THING doesn't work, I'm like, "fix it and move on" and they are imploding because X doesn't work and/or is broken. What is up with SJs and gossip? I'm so self above tribe that I don't get it. I was like you in college - if the "stuff" was wrong, incomplete or missing, not accurate, I would magically skip over that stuff and be unbothered but for the observers, they couldn't move on until it was rectified. They were the ones that would dog the professors to "fix" it .....like yesterday. Me? I would just go do other things knowing that the observers would get it handled. LOL.
oh i just remembered that time when my dad freaked out because the tv wasn't working (for like half an hour i swear) and i didn't understand why he was so angry about it like what the fuck?At the end i just fixed it no big deal
I’m exactly like you and my dad is exactly like your roommate!
As the person who regularly fucked up the curve for everyone in the class by scoring 100+% on tests when the next highest score was in the 80s, I apologize on behalf of all autodidacts who somehow have that "missing information" and always do well on tests, thus ruining your chances of having your grade bumped up because of the curve. And as an INTP, and thus single decider with De tidal waves, I still relate so hard to your perspective. I felt so bad every time professors would hand back our tests. I could feel the eyes of everyone in the class glaring at me with hatred. I knew they were thinking "if it weren't for her, my B would have been an A" or "if it weren't for her, my C would have been a B" (or worse)... Sometimes the teacher would embarrass me by announcing who got the highest score or writing my name on the board. My god, if looks could kill. I can still feel all those eyes on me, even on the back of my head. That kind of glare pierces. It still bothers me to this day, all these years later. Some people would take advantage of sitting near me and ask to see my test so they could compare their answers to mine to see where they went wrong. I tried to help anyone who asked and never thought myself superior or developed a complex, but I could tell that even as nice as I was, people still resented me. This is the nightmare for inferior De. Living in a world in which you fear the tribe will never accept you for who you really are, or where their social hierarchical games actually threaten your ability to keep being your own unique individual.
Heather Bryant such a well structured Si response and so easy for me to relate to. Are you Ti Si Ne Fe?
I feel Kevin, how come everybody seem to intuitively understand how things work, where things are and where to find the answers to the questions no one asks?
As an INFP, I'm just in the last five years beginning to be able to explain my intuition and the reasoning behind it to others, sometimes
Fr lmao
@@CreatureOfGoddess I wasn't talking about intuition in that sense of the word, but good insight.
and i’m here wondering how come everybody seem to understand people and how to talk to them
hmm. for me, i feel like i already know this stuff, but i would LOVE to know more. so his line of thinking was so satisfying to me, even though i don't think it's my default.
Hmm...
Observers tell great stories about random things.
Deciders tell great stories about people.
(Assuming I'm a decider) My favourite stories to listen to are stories about people being told by Observers. It is sooo entertaining and they make it seem so easy!
@@someonerandom713 I'm just learning about this OP Observer vs Decider stuff now. Could you elaborate on your point? I'm confident I'm an observer (intj) and when there's a funny story to tell my friend circle will usually let me explain because my way of storytelling usually elicits the most laughs. I'm curious as to how others view me from the outside looking in.
@@ssg2991 Ooof, sure ^^
If you're an observer, people matters are as hard for deciders as things are for you. For me, people are totally black and white, whereas for observers, they're shades of grey. You're able to make effortless fun of others without dragging them through the mud too much, while also not taking yourselves serious. It's super admirable! If I say anything about anyone, it always feels like a final statement that I'm then stuck with. Your double deciding is easy to see and be entertained by from the outside, but very hard to mimic.
@@someonerandom713 Dude holy shit I think you just explained an aspect of my sense of humor that I didn't know I even had. Thank you!
What if you do neither
As an ENTJ, the thing that sent me straight up to depression is 2020 canceling all my plans
are you a Hapa?
Everyone was in your situation, EVERYONE
Just follow what you like don't feeling offended to people
Missing info is so much fun
@Tommy Hass haha nope Ne
@@gorgeousgorilla8681 How are emotions logical?
😂
You deserve special place in hell you commenting this lol 😂
INTP
The fact that I literally have recurring dreams about discovering new/hidden rooms in my home 😂 I was emotionally invested in Kevin's opening statements.
one of my favourite vids from you guys! clear examples and I loved the hand gestures interpreting as it we watched!
I have am INTP friend and when I was trying to type him I was trying to listen to what he was freaking about about and when you really listen, its a very big difference.
What was it about?
The people deserve to know!
I love this!!!! I’m such a freaking decider. Can’t wait to find out! I think I’m an ENTJ, or an ENFJ. Shan.... your stuff of calming your TE, how to not compare yourself to others, or at least learn some self love. You are my older sister mentor type and Dave hits some good things and nerves in My husband. It’s pretty funny. He’s either an INFP or maybe just maybe some sort of a weird INTJ, but I don’t think so. INFP makes more sense I think.
I went on a 2 day mission telling everyone I knew how the logo for "Dollar Tree" is a number 1 made to look like a tree when I discovered that a few days ago. I honestly think its genius design XD
I was lost when I clicked on this video, I’m still lost.
Alanna- a self report
Send help.....
I need more to break it down.
Alanna Brooks Me too! Are we the observers in the Magic Show? 🤔😐
A thing I've noticed throughout my life is that i always love to try and talk to someone who I've left off on a bad note, I'll usually try to apologize at first and then try to poke at it whatever it was that happened. I think i do that to try and grab some missing information. And i know in the back of my head everyone would probably tell me to just let it go but sometimes i just can't 😆 that kind of shit made me think that i was a decider for the longest time
Initially I remember when I first heard you guys say the person who’s a decider would say they freak about things, then the observers would say people and I realized at the time I would’ve said people- -confirming for you , I definitely would’ve said the people until you said that and I had to take a step back likewhaaAAaaaaaATt and then realized oh shit they’re right...
To call yourself shit is more self defecating than self deprecating I'd have thought. 😆
Loving your work. 😁
I'm Se/Ti and I see myself in Kevin so much. Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being Se/Fe
I think he is
Shan looks so good in this one ❤️
Those captions are fricking hilarious!
Could you make more videos about masculine and feminine functions?
Yup, I'm thirsty for more info on those as well.
Seeing the Rock and Kevin Hart sitting next to each other is funnier than 90% of Kevin's comedy... XD
yup
So relevant, as an INFJ lately have been feeling conscious that I talk to people to get pure information and sometimes forgetting the soft intro, which makes it overbearing for the other person. A bit freaked out by excess info (Se) so another guilty thing is collecting that info but not really acting upon it (apparently just “knowing” is enough) and leaving the person thinking “then why tf did you want to know my whole career path/ life/ little secrets”
So you would say that ni is satisfied with just knowing and understanding the information, how it fits conceptually with what else you know, with any actual action based in se?
I’m SUCH an observer but I’m kinda of glad for it
Haha, I can so much relate to the observer thing. Once I was talking with my friend who is an INTP and totally oblivious to what's going on around him (he just doesn't give a shit), so we would sit outside in some park and talk and he would pick of chain dirk from his bicycle chain. I would sort of unconsciously observe it and then forget it. I then shifted position because I was getting sunburned and put my jacket on top of the spot where he had flung all of the chain dirt.
My jacket hasn't been clean since....🙄🙄
kevin and all these observers would be great in the role of aaron burr-
“the room where it happens”
That was excellent! Contrast is beautiful!
'ramen menu' LOL
That was interesting. I still cant't clearly see the difference between single Observers and single Deciders. I type myself as TiNeSiFe, still can't pin down whether it's Ti/Ne or Ti/Si and I haven't yet looked into the gender MM/FF distinctions, really... just surface stuff. The thing is, until I get enough information into my logical framework, it just goes over my head. Now that I've watched more of you guys' videos, the understanding gets better and better, incrementally.
I do freak out about people, mostly, but idk. I think this is a good point to end this comment. Best regards, have a nice day.
Imagine poeple run on their 3 top functions since the inferior function is weak. That divides poeple into 2 groups. The first running on their top decider function and 2 observing functions, wich are called single deciders or double observers depending on the context. And vice versa for the second group. You my friend would belong to the first group.
@@ladybluebell1598 I know IxxP/ExxJ are "Deciders" and IxxJ/ExxP are "Observers" but... but why is it so difficult for me to pinpoint which tendency/perspective is more prevalent somebody's behavior or even mine? Do I just watch for energy fluctuation? I have to look deeper into this, there's jut so much to cover and so little time... and energy.
@@brousi watch thzir videos about the decider/ibserver coin. You'll get it once you get used to it.
Lol. Now I'm looking at Kevin Hart from the perspective in mind that he's an Exxp, I kind of now feel some of his jokes aren't just concocted or pre-planned stuff, they may be, but now I think he just tries to share his freak-outs or fears about information/things sometimes, and me as a decider just find this silly/hilarious or maybe it just comes off like that to me, now I'm looking at it, it isn't a joke to him, but because in the process of trying to explain the process of figuring out stuff, he makes fun of himself and others
So I noticed two different attitudes at work but I can't understood which is double observer which is double decider. First is "passing information is sooo important, we need to make a conscious effort to do that, organise ourself and remember to pass information, be sure that when workers are changing they need to" pass the info" to the new workers. Let's do daily meetings about what everybody's doing to be updated all the time ". Second attitude is neglecting passing info: don't care, don't need to worry about it (hope it will happen naturally, no need to organise some meetings to force that). Never see it as a cause of problems or mistakes. I can't decide which attitude is double observer which is single observer?
I realize I'm a late response, but these things you describe are not about observer/decider but about the animals. Specifically Blast. The first thing you describe sounds like very high Blast (I have a system and the whole tribe needs to be controlled by my system) and the second sounds like very low Blast (I consumed the information I need, but I'm not responsible for the tribe, they can go figure it out for themselves).
A double decider blaster would be pretty balanced about the tribe control part, but their system of information will be insane. Especially if they are Oe, since Blast makes use of Oi. If they are Oi, their system may be brilliant, but the actual information would be a mess.
A double observer blaster would have a decent system, but they would be insane in the tribe control part. Especially if they are Di, since Blast makes use of De. If they're De, their communication may be fantastic, but they're going to have mental breakdowns out of nowhere.
Those fucking transcribed autocaps...
🙋🏼♀️ Guilty decider!
im pretty sure im an ixxp but i freak the fuck out over everything tbh. im pretty certain i have anxiety tho lmao
Can someone explain this to me in layman terms. How can I tell I use deciding or observation as a leading function
Goddammit I’m so embarrassed when you described the magic show.. it’s not wrong... and I know so many people who would hear it and laugh at me about that 🤣 😭
e.e Effff yeeeeewwww
2:03 random thing floats across the top of the screen
Where is the bbq scraper and spatula damnit!! Do we have enough buns? Omg.
There is no way I can listen to what they are saying with captions like that, haha. Pretty sure I'd need to look away to focus.
I'm suppose to be an INFJ, but yet i feel equally both(although it can be more abstract with people). Is that an NiTi dilemma, or am I am not an INFJ?
If from this video you begin freaking out over your personality type identity, you most likely aren't an INFJ.
I think that makes you even more of an INFJ. ENFJs are so focused on people that they aren’t even aware that there’s a theory building or just chalk Ni up to common sense.
It's really hard to see yourself. I was convinced I was a decider. They typed me as an observer. Saw myself as NF. Ended up being ST.
@@LemonMeIon For us, Ni _IS_ common sense. 😜
[FF Ni/Fe BS/C(P)] or INFJ
@@LemonMeIon well said. My last girlfriend, being an Enfj and myself being an Infj, had a lot of that going on. She always thought I was oblivious to what was going on with people's emotions in the room, yet I was hyper aware. I always thought she was oblivious to the narrative or true framework in social situations (seemed like she was in her own fairy land) yet later discover she was quite aware. It was like our top two functions, being flipped would come so instinctively to us, that we would both not understand the other person was aware. I'm trying to make sense of it. The lead Fe I find can make a huge mess of one's own individualism. Being second function Fe, I wish I could just turn it off, because I feel way too deeply for people, yet so badly want to seperate myself from others. Lead Fe tends to care so deeply for connections with others, can't seem to get enough, yet feels choked when away from those they care about. It's as if the objective in EnFjs is the communion with others, while infjs objective is the direction the relationships are heading. Depth vs Breadth. Fe/Ni seems to want a wide horizon, while Ni/Fe wants a deep cavern.
drives in to a car park finds a spot away from other cars , comes back and there are 4 cars parked around my car, so looks around and there are car spots closer to shops with 20 free spots like free spaces everywhere, proceeds to talk to myself so out loud about how dumb humans are and then trys to figure out why they need to park near me? are they lonely are they just flat out stupid i am thinking its the 2nd one, just flat out stupid its like they are programmed to park next to another car despite all the free spaces, and my thoughts about how smart humans are gets reaffirmed again, for gods sake look and think please! what type am i?
Hey, so i always thought I'm like an ep, but I still freak out about people, like all the time. But when I talk Im talking about things only, I could care less about people. So what am I? Decider or observer?? I know you guys have paid shits going on. But pls do give some guidance, no?
Are you concerned with people because they have control?
Don't know. Not control per se. I go into an over thinking mode of wondering whether they like me or not, for most actions I make. So that would make like an ip or ej right? But then when I talk I prefer to ignore the people aspect of the 'story'. I think. And I know I constantly ignore my sensory
@@aravindkrishnan7498 well, I am an I--P, and I freak out a lot about people..
Even though I like to talk about people, I also have my Ne very developped, so I can go for hours talking about ideas and concepts, but that isn`t what I freak.out about..
Also, I am always consuming new ideas..
So I am an I--P because I freak out about people.
The freak out is what decides
@@aravindkrishnan7498 Don't think about it, it will drive you insane to try and type yourself. Type others, see the patterns starting to arise and with time, you'll be able to see yourself. Just don't stress about it, it's not what type you are that matters
@@aravindkrishnan7498 It depends on why you prefer to ignore the people aspect of the story. I'm an IP and my reason for ignoring "people" in stories, and why I try not talk about other people/gossip, is b/c I'm so self-conscious and afraid of other people talking about me/gossiping about me in that way. B/c it's a big deal to me if people talk about me, out of courtesy, I don't talk about others.
But I think that if I wasn't so self-conscious and concerned about the opinions of others, I would just talk about it lightly with others (about myself, about others, about blah blah blah), and it would be light-hearted. It wouldn't be loaded. It would be whatever.
You guys...have to do filthy frank.
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One question, though - is turning off the captions NOT an option? It's distracting AF, lol.
Sigma rule #54123: don't give a shit about the tribe. Search for the missing information.
Although I am quite sure I am a single decider, those subtitles are annoying and distracting 🤣
I don't have any guys who can do anything for me. Sorry Joe the Plumber you weren't that great, you didn't call my pipes not working. Its not my fault this house was built in 1958! Actually it is, I decided to commit to it.
Did OP not previously type Rogan as an Se-Te (esfp jumper)?
He is Te/Se ENTJ jumper
What types are the observers and deciders again?
Observers are IxxJs and ExxPs. Deciders are ExxJs and IxxPs.
Thanks!
lol
Can you guys cover functions more? All the terms are cool but I’m not that familiar with your system
These captions tho, LOL!!
Kevin Hart is legit, I can walk with him. Yeah man how the fuck did you do that? Now I wanna know too
Isn’t joe rogan a estp
Banana hundreds of the gunfight.
so Joe Rogan is EJ? ENTJ? ESTJ? can someone tell me peas
Amazing
This perception of first or second slot De can be hard to read though; For example, IxFJs can look like ExFJs on the surface because high Fe is so obvious. Both types are always going to be constantly talking about people especially if they are high in neuroticism.
Not true. True INFJs will not FREAK OUT over identity. These are freak-outs that we're talking about, i.e. the question of being comfortable. INFJs will freak out over the chemicals in their deodorant and whether or not that will give them breast cancer 30 years down the line. ENFJs freak out when Joe Shmoe isn't doing his job in upper management. Swap places and ENFJs will be yeah whatever I actually don't wear deodorant anyways. And the INFJ will be yeah whatever Joe has always been like that but not my business.
In that example it is the imbalance between Fe and Ti that OP would notice. IxFJs have Ti that is high enough to balance out the Fe somewhat. What is this person talking about more often (and with more intensity)? If it's people and not "I've lost my keys" then you know they can't be IxFJ.
@@basic-decaf I appreciate the example and I understand why people want to dictate everything as right or wrong because it makes it easier to guess types, but there are a lot of in-betweens and 2nd slot Fe can also be concerned with identity. Hell even 3rd slot masculine Fe will have tidal wave breakdowns about the tribe not getting along and rant about who are causing the issues.
@@LemonMeIon One-off breakdowns are fine and everyone can do everything sure. Sure. But there is a consistent pattern of freak-outs of this nature. That's the system. If you want to suggest the system is wrong, that's fine, but in this system that's how the definitions work. INTJs freak out every single day with the information they receive and the sensory working for them. Massive tidal waves of conflict between Ni and Se. Going above and beyond uncomfortably with Se to meet their Ni. The Te and Fi aren't even on their radar, and when they are, they're benign. Dave never mentions his morals, his beliefs, talks about the things he likes, and only sometimes takes people's quotes and thoughts into account. It's whatever to him. But he is, he IS completely absorbed in his own world and his own system and he freaks out about things, THINGS in the sensory-filled, real world never matching up with his vision. Consistently. Repeatedly.
fucking love you guys
How do INTP show the whole double observer stuff? They're afraid of the people and not of the things?
Yes, more or less. Everyone has problems with both people and things, but it's where the real freakouts and panicking occur that is the big sign. An INTP (which I am) has very low Fe and so will probably freak out about tripping over some social rule or causing other people to have negative emotions accidentally. If, say, an INTP is with someone who is in a bad mood, the INTP will be far more likely than other types to take it personally and think that they were the cause and to freak out along the lines of "why are you mad at ME for?!?" The bad mood would be a problem to everyone else, but they would be able to see more clearly that the bad mood was most likely caused by something else, and so it would therefore not be a cause of too much distress.
The other big sign is where the blame falls in ambiguous situations: an INTP will probably blame a computer problem on "some idiot programmer;" an ENTP would be more likely to blame the machine or equipment directly.
@@shiro1744 this helps extremely. I love these vids about observers and Deciders. But the problem is trying to see how they manifest within each personality. The thing I'm trying to figure out tho is an INTP always going to be a single decider double observer? I think my animal stack is CP/S(B). So I have Ti/Ne and Fe/Ne as my saviors. Wouldn't that then mean I would be freaking out over the Ne and Si balance struggle??? And reletively calm about Ti and Fe?
If that's the case, then yes, you would seem more like an ENTP than a regular old CS -INTP (like I am). But, if you were an INTP, you would still have more decider issues than observer issues--it would just be in a ratio of something like 60-40 rather than 80-20.
@@samwilcox10 From what I understand the animals have little to do with fears, in fact it's one of the last steps you should take in typing someone; first you chose between observer and decider, go over the other steps and then you fit an animal stack that makes sense.
So the fact that you have blast last will make you more balanced on energy animals, but if you are a Di dom you still will be freaking out about people rather than things.
I think Shan and Dave use these videos just to give a superficial understanding, while you can find detailed info in their course, that's why they seldom go into deep, thorough explanations
Thank you guys for the input. I'm sure it proves the INTPness even more so but man it's been a struggle for me to type myself correctly. It's like looking at yourself in a mirror that's been shattered.
I don't really understand the reasoning behind Joe Rogan focusing on "people" over "things". I thought he was an ESTP, or did I miss your typing of him? Is he a decider?(ESTJ?)
He is extroverted and ST, but he's actually Te/Se, so an ENTJ with Play first.
@@mameta2079 Oh , I see, is it also what they typed him?
What type is kiven hart ?
Probably ENFP. But alot of people did vote for ExxP for Kevin Hart, so they nailed the ball there.
@@RainbowRoadCrashTest yea kiven been typed as a ESFP
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The Deciders:
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An actual cbs series 😁
Oh & 1:06; So were you talking about "things" or information.
Yeah I caught that 😉
You guys are alwayes so happy im jealose i hate being an i xx p
I'm INTP, and I don't freak out about people. This is the one thing you talk about that doesn't resonate with me at all.
@3:25 okay... Maybe. When I have a problem at work (about things) I'm usually talking about 'oh they did this and she did that'. My issue is about the thing but usually my language is about the people that made that thing the way it is. I'm a step removed from caring about the people themselves though.
Try if a person is evaluating you as a person or your work.
Kevin Hart is so annoying.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo I love Fluffy and Kevin Hart! Kevin's not annoying at all to me. [FF Ni/Fe BS/C(P)]
Joe rogan estp though
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you know she appears to be more of a feeling type really but with mental health issues.